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knows why? Yeah, without Mark and Vanessa here, it kind of feels like mom and dad are a way and they left the kids to play. The lights in the studio are off. It's Dean Easton and Jared and it's something it just feels right about all of this. It just feels like when the cats away, the dogs will play. That's the way the saying goes, right, I think, So, I know the lights aren't on in the studio. Everything's just array. We're literally putting this podcast together five minutes before.

It's think of It's like when you go, like when we were in high school and you're on summer vacation, but then for some and you go into the high school like yeah, and it's like it's empty and like all the lights are off, but like the natural light is flooding in and you're like, I shouldn't be here right now, but I'm here. It's the taboo factor, that's what it is. It's it's like, it's a crazy how went back in high school? You'd always talk about how you wanted to get out of high school. But like

you said, during summer vacation, where would you go? Sometimes you go mess around with this you got Do you ever go on the roof of your school? Yeah? You were that troublemaker, dude. I never I was way too scared. I remember it was a big deal because we had three separate buildings for our elementary, middle, and high school. And when I was in I was in middle school and I went on the high school roof and I was like, I've got all three school roots. Watch out world.

It was. I was way too scary. I played football during school, so summer was mostly, you know, just practices, training camp, all that good stuff. And I remember seeing kids all the time on the rooftop and thinking they're gonna get in so much trouble, So, Dean, somebody on the Facebook group actually tagged you, and I wanted to talk to you about this because I'm a little concerned about your mental stability after this article is being released, so it says hot for hot does Texas doctors worn

to lay off the spicy snacks after spike in ulcers? Dean, do you know what's funny is I I think I need to be the brand spokesperson for hot Cheeses. How many times a day do you get tagged and something about hot Cheetos? A dozen? And you want to know what's funny is because last year, Um, after going on the Bachelorette and after my affinity for hot Cheetos came to surface and everyone started to know about it, I started to see more hot cheetoh centric foods and I'm

claiming responsibility for that. People were basing their turkeys and hot cheeto crust. People are making hot cheeto pop up restaurants, And part of me thinks that it's because of me, because every tall because everyone started talk about hot Cheetos as soon as I came off the Bachelorette and it professed my love for hot cheets publicly what's the what's the name of the guy that the Cheeto guy? He's a Hispanic janitor? Right? Oh? No? Um? Why Chester? Chester,

Chester the Cheetah Hispanic? Oh I didn't know that backstory? Well, I meant cheater Cheaters is a Chester, the Chester Jesus Chess, the cheese Cheetah. So you're just claiming now that you should replace Chester. I would love to replace Chester. I can totally see that. Spokesperson. You could be the Hot Cheetah. Hot Cheetahs don't have anything. That's a good point. And Chester just came out with a pretty cool rap because Doritos copied their flame and hot flavor, and so Chester

came out with a disc track for Doritos. It's pretty good. Well, the question is can you wrap? Can you be like the Hot Cheeto Chester of rap? You're you're messing all your chise up. Um I could. I'm not gonna freestyle, but if you if you give me some time to prepare a rap, how about next week's episode, I'll prepare a Hot Cheetos wrap and that will be your audition

tape for the sprokesperson for Hot Cheetos. But it's funny because I don't even like, Okay, I eat a lot of hot cheos, but I don't eat as much as people like. People think I'm having them for breakfast, lunch, and dinner when reality, I'm having like a bag of week that's still a big bag or a little snack little bag of lime hot cheetos, like a bag that you buy the grocery store for say a party, or like a snack size that you bring to your personal size.

And then that little nothing, that little can't be the spokesperson for this cheetoh if you have a snack sized bag all week, but you're gonna make me eat it for a breakfast on Engineer, then that little zan guy he goes to the hospital for ulcers speak he ate too many hot Cheetahs and he had to go to the hospital for it. And who is like stupid, little most obnoxious looking Zane right, and you're thinking of his

Zane from one direction, Google little Inn. You're gonna look at him and you're gonna be how do you spell his name? L I l x A N. Is that how he spelled? Little? Anyways, when he went to the hospital, people kept tagging me like do you if you don't change your ways, you're gonna end up in the hospital like little zan did. And I'm like, come on, I I consume responsibly. Yeah, there's a CNN article says little Zane can't stay away from flaming hot cheetos. Z all right,

like zan X got you got you got? Yeah, he was taken to the hospital. That's what it's based off of. Well, he also said he says, I guess I too many hot cheetos and it ripped something in my stomach. Well, I will say, and I puked a little blood. This hasn't happened to me in my adult life, but as a kid, I may be consumed more frequently than in now, and my digestive system wasn't well equipped enough to handle it, and so my bm my bms were pretty bad, Like

they were pretty red and they were pretty hot. Um my body. I think I think has since maybe adjusted and can handle it now. But back when I was, you know, ten years old to sixteen years old, it was there was some pretty brutal times. Would you say Cheetos is your favorite food? Like, for example, if you were stuck in an island and you had one food, No, because there's not enough nutritional value coming from a cheeto. But I will say whenever anyone asks, you know, it's

a pretty common question. It's like, what's your favorite food. I don't think I've ever once thought to answer hot cheetos. I always think it's more of like a meal, like a pizza or hot wings or something like that. Yeah, I would never think of answering it with a snack totally. It would always be pizza or tacos or something along those lines. That's actually a meal. Spaghetti is very specific, not pasta. No no, no no, no, no no no no. And you know what, penney, you can throw penne out. I

want spaghetti and I like penney. I hate elbow noodles. Well, I can't stand elbow What if you haven't? Have you ever had macaroni salad. I've had macaroni salad. I had macaroni and cheese, of course, with the elbow noodles, and I like macaroni with shells. Yeah, I like macaroni better with shells as well. The elbow noodles, though, it's far better for pasta Saladyterally, I'm about to puke because I'm

thinking of elbow noodles. They're so bad. The noodle to to to sauce ratio just doesn't make sense for me. With the elbows, the shape, they always fall off your fork. You can't even you can't poke them with the fork, and you can't scoop them with the fork. See, I disagree. I find that it's easier to eat the elbow noodles because they have the open ends on slide and open.

But sometimes when I get the fork in there, and sometimes if I don't get a pasta, like if I stab it, sometimes the fork will slide into the noodles and all of a sudden, I have like three noodles on my fork, and I'm like, Jack Pott, this didn't even take any effort. I don't know, man, you we need to talk about this more. Anyways, we just had well, yeah, I got our first guests of the day walk in and and I wish you guys could see what we're seeing right now, because it's fantastic. It's a very busy

studio right now. I saw them. I saw them as I was walking into the studio and I saw them from behind, and I immediately knew that they were our guests today because it is two sets of identical twins and they both married. They're significant identical two pairs of identical twins that are married, which is kind of incredible. And I haven't have a laundry list of questions that I'm racking up in my head right now. Well, let's

introduce our our guests. We have identical twin sisters, Brittany and Brianna Deanne Oh my god, okay, deanogi telling them the story that there was a girl in high school that I went to to high school with and her last name was Dean, and I always told her. I was like, if we get married, I'm taking your last name so I could be Dean Dean. Yes, well there, your last name is spelt with any at the end.

You're drop the Obviously we don't have to worry about it, but you know, and then we have their significant other's, their husband, their twin brothers, Joshua and Jeremy Saliers. That's right, Sally did it? Oh yeah, well you know I got one of two of the last names. Right. Well, thank you guys for joining us today. We really appreciate you guys are all wearing the same thing too. Well that not all four about the two sisters who wearing the

same thing. That's what I was talking about when I saw them from behind, because um, Brianne and Brittany are both wearing yellow jackets, and then Joshua and Jeremy are both wearing great blazers, and like Matt, it's just it's it's perfect, that really is in every single way. You guys both have the square pocket. And you guys have read it again. I was gonna ask you this earlier. How common is it for identical twins to have annunciated

first names. They're not annunciated um um, alliterative. Yeah, it's very common. Yes. So when we go to the Twins Festival, which is actually where the four of us met, I'm sorry, I'm sorry to interrupt you. The Twins Festival you didn't hear about. Right, Well, let's put in let's put everything in perspective. So you guys have a show coming out on TLC and that airs Monday night. Correct twin Wedding, Twin Sane, Wedding in the Membrane, Twin Sane in the Membrane,

Vint even Saine would have a run for his money. Um. So you guys have this show coming out now, you are already married, yes, and this is awesome, And you guys are documented. You documented your wedding, and when was you It was two thousand eighteen. When did you guys get married? August four? August four? Congratulations, thanks so much. We actually got married in Twinsburg, which is a real place and it's in Ohio and every August, twins and multiples take over that city. So that's why we chose

to have our wedding. Then the exactly, so what what year did you guys meet? The previous year? Next year, you know what I mean? Babies that year? Yeah, that's that's could be great and you could have the twins Sane Wedding Part two, Babies Edition, twins Edition, because if you guys so, Actually, the question is do you guys have more I'm thinking ahead here. Is there a more likelihood to have twins? There must be we know that fraternal twins. That's right. So all of us were identical twins,

were mirror image identical twins. But there's got to be I think a little bit more of a chance that will have identical twins. But identical twins are kind of a fluke of nature. I guess read the fraternals who running the family. But everybody basically has the same chance of having an identical twin. But there's got there's got that will happen. When you guys met. Did you guys meet each other at the same time, or did one of you show interest in the other first, We've all

met at the exact same moment. Okay, hold on before we move any further, can I just okay? So, Joshua and Jeremy, Joshua, It's very nice to be you. I'm Jared great, Janet is all around, and then Brittany, Brittney, Brittany and Brina Brianna. Excuse me, I'm so sorry, Joshua, Jeremy, Jeremy, and then Brittany and Joshua and Jared and Jared and Dean and Easton. Okay, so you guys met at the Twins Festival in Ohio. How did you hear of this twin festival? We had heard of this festival when we

were little. Our our father told us about it, and it was this magical place we dreamed about going. Yeah, pre internet, it was this huge paper, huge story in the paper, and I remember we always wanted to go. We said we would and we started going. Gosh, maybe two thousand eleven and I have been going. Does an annual thing for you guys? You go to our only twins allowed at the festival? No, no, no, everybody can come. Anybody. I'm going next year. What's on the year? Is it first?

The first weekend of August? Nothing like a beautiful August day in Ohio. And it's in Ohio? What part of Ohio? Okay? Very nice? I can't believe it's a place called that where you guys at the Twin Festival where two sets of twins met and now we're married. That was like the holy That was like you know, when like all of the planets aligned together. I don't know what it's called, but that was that moment, Twinsburg twins getting married in

Twinsburg where they met. So you guys have been going since two thousand and eleven, Jeremy and Joshua, how long have you guys been going? We met them on our first year, though, so we're so lucky. We told about the festival growing up, and we really didn't think too much about it. Then that year we just on a whim decided to to pack up and check out the Twins Festival in Twinsburg. Walk us through the initial encounter

with each other. We had seen Josh and Jeremy earlier, like, wow, those guys are that's exactly right, and they were just in the sea of twins, right, so it's this huge gathering of twins. But we spotted them. They were this handsome visions round six four boys and we're not and so we we couldn't get to them fast enough. They were they were too fast for so we didn't get to introduce ourselves. Yeah, and then later is when we

actually all the last night of the festival. Last night. Yeah, so the act Actually towards the end of the festival that year, we Brittany and I walked in to this conference center where a party was going on for all the twins, and Josh and Jeremy are coming down toward us from you know, the other side of the course leaving. We were on our way out of the festival entirely, We're getting ready to go home, so we almost missed them.

So you guys, ladies exercise some very great patients there, right, because you saw initially you're like those guys, something about them, and then you waited into you met them later on, and then how did you so you just approached them and said, hi, we're so we were so excited because they came up and spoke with us. We had our eye on then throughout dude, we just we just never had the opportunity to talk to him, and really we just thought they were too beautiful for us and out

of our league. We were just hoping. I think there are guys because it doesn't bring you back to like memories of being like seeing the girl across from the bar while you're still doing it. I guess, so it's different. Yeah, but it's a good thing, but just like that that awkwardness, but that excites you where you see someone you're like, Wow,

they're really cute. I'd love to talk to him, and then hours go by, right, and then you kind of keep seeing them, and then finally like eight hours go by and like that's your moment, cause you're like, okay, it's now or never. And then you kind of cross paths and you're walking next to each other, like, oh, hey, how are you remember one time? This is so creepy.

I was like, I'm a have been like nineteen or twenty, but there was a girl the gym that I was really attracted to, and I didn't know how to go up to her. I don't want to approach your girl at the gym, and so literally I was done with my workout, but she was still in the treadmill. So I just continued working out, like doing the dumbest thing for forty five minutes, just kind of like lingering by, and then she walked out. My whole plan was like, oh,

I have an idea. When we're walking out, I'll hold the door for her. And that's my in right there, right easy. So of course what happens. I wait for like forty five minutes. I finally see her walking out, so I'm like walking next to her, hold the door opened, and she goes, thank you, and I was like, you're welcome, and walked to my car, and I was like, I'm such an idiot. I waited all of this time. I had my plan ready to go. It worked perfectly, and

I just failed to execute it. So good good job for you guys and girls for like not failing at that moment. Yeah, they made it happen. And then they drove, which was a very big deal to us. They drove

like seven hours to see us. This was a huge deal to me in Brittany that when driving and it was so you guys, you guys met, you guys talked, hit it off, exchange numbers, and then and then like the next weekend, you guys drove to see him seven hours there after, and then actually every every week after that, and we became inseparable and they just kept coming to see us and take us on dates and seven eight

hours was nothing to them. Okay, So when you guys met, was there an instant like division of Okay, I'm interested in him, I'm interested in him? Or how did that work? Yes? Yes,

it was exactly that. Um, you know, I was drawn to Brittany just immediately as Jeremy was to Brianna, and um, it was just immediate connection there, initial reading, and we talked to the group and as we progressed in the conversation, we split off and it was me and Brianna and Josh and Brittany, and it was just a natural connection. And we happened to be the older twins and they're the younger twins. Were actually carried off by birth order rated by five minutes. Also, I can tell you guys

are much more mature. Um, so you guys are five minutes apart. So Jeremy and Joshuy your older one, yes, and sorry, Jeremy, you're the older one, Okay, I'm sure. And then Brianna, you are five minutes older than Brittany? Is that is it usually about five minutes? Is there an interesting time lapse that happens between twins? It varies very thirty seconds. We've heard hours and hours. Did you imagine being a mom and giving birth and be like, by the way, not you're not done yet, four or

more hours before you do this all over? If I was the older twin, I would constantly, if I was like five minutes older, would constantly be texting my younger twin and be like when I was your age, like looking into the future. Yes, okay, great do you guys got married last year and we can finally watch it on Monday on TLC. That's amazing. So what made you

decide to do this whole documentary? Really your wedding? I mean clearly because we're not, you know, blown away by anything over here right now used to publicizing our relationships. It's terrible kidding, this is still I'm still like, I'm still absolutely blown away. But yeah, what what was the whole process, like it started with the proposal, and um, we decided to post them at the same time. So we had this big elaborate proposal planned and uh and

we're gonna be able to see that on this show. Yeah, well the proposal already already aeroin said edition. Yes, and so they might last year, right, And that's kind of where things took off. So Josh and Jeremy did this beautiful proposal. They had us trick Fate had us thinking that we were going to film a commercial to advertise this place called Twin Lakes. So we thought were gonna be in a commercial. Wait, that's in Colorado. It's in Virginia, Colorado.

But anyway, the camera crew turned out to be when when the director said action for this commercial, it turned out to be inside it Asian and Josh and Jeremy both dropped to one knee and proposed that the whole thing was on camera. Did you did you propose first? Because you're older? Actually we did it exccultaneously. Okay, okay, but'd be like, well, like all you're gonna to wait five minutes and so you can actually ask your proposal. We often will say thanks at the same time, just

like they will. But we we really wanted to to you know, nail that. You know, we weren't going to get a second take on it or anthy. Do you guys ever confuse each other? Has that ever happened? Have you ever just gone up to Jeremy like, um, Joshua, have you seen like I'm your fiance? You know, like, here's the thing. We all look alike, right, I mean we look alike, so I don't see the resemblance, you know,

like from behind or from the side. It happens, of course sometimes we I think that josh and Jeremy looked the most alike in the mornings. Okay, interesting on their hair and well I can see that. Oh and you guys both swoop it to the right. Yeah, never mind, similar hairstyles, looking good. And when we don't have on makeup and we're not done up, we look like So that is when that's like the danger zone. Yeah, so breakfast is the danger zone? Morning coffee watch out? Do

you guys all live together? Yes, we all lived together under one roof? Wow? And how long have you lived together for? Sorry? We were for six made it easy for filmings. So we're still learned like we're still getting used to yeah, because I'm sure the girls have lived together for a while, right and the guys, A, yeah, we've always worked and lived together. We planned to continue doing that because we were not lived with each other at dis siblings. This is now we we're apart for

maybe a year. I went out and got my own apartment and we lived separately, and we just didn't didn't like it sucks. So two of my really good friends are identical twins as well, and they went to separate colleges. One went to college in Colorado, w went to college in Washington, and they were like, those four years were

so hard to bear from each other. That a five years Brittany and I did and it was really hard, and you know, you never get those years back, right, interest it's because it's something that obviously someone that doesn't have a twin wouldn't really be able to understand because you're just like, oh, it's just a sibling. But no, there's like a connection that you guys have that's a little bit deeper than a regular sibling would happen. It's insane.

I mean, I had to learn how to do everything all over again by myself, right, So most people, like in kindergarten, they learned to walk into class by themselves, and that's something we never learned. So it wasn't until we separated, we were in our twenties that I learned to like walk into a grocery store or to school alone. That's that's Do you think that it's more of a genetic thing why you guys are so close or because, like you said, you did everything together growing up. I

think it's both. But I think there is something to the genetic thing. You just are born with this esoteric, just very strong bond. Um I do you finish each other's sensences or do you have like a certain like do you know when like, for example, Brittany, do you know when brand Is just is just hurting or sad or like even when she's not near, you're like something's wrong. Yes, I definitely know when something's wrong. And it's the same

vice versa. I remember I had a pendicitis so I had to go get my appendix out and I was not with Brianna at the time, so terrible what he called me freaking out, like, oh my gosh, you're I can tell that you're so sick what is going on? So we definitely have that connection. It's like a quantum entanglement. You know, they can they can feel what's going on. And so are you guys once once you are you guys gonna plan you plan on having kids? Yes, I would tell me that process. Are we going to have

the kids together at the same time? Hopefully? So, yeah, that would be ideal, right, would like to experience that aspect of the life together also, Um, so yeah, if we could make that happen, that would be that would be pretty awesome. And obviously it's a challenging to make that happen together. But you're as long as you guys

have open communication, you should be fine. Did you say, well, we're trying to de stigmatized menstruation anyways, right, true, So so might as well just put it out there, put it out there for everybody in know. Um, what about like vacations and stuff? So as a couple's now so it's it's it's interesting because as the girls going up together, you guys were inseparable, right and then as the guys

you were inseparable as well. But now as couples, are you inseparable or as couples, can you kind of go off and do your own thing without necessarily worrying about the other. Four of us are together a lot of the time, but we do split off sometimes into couples. You know, we went on, for example, a joint honeymoon. We all went to Prince Edward Islands for our honeymoon. Different rooms, right, different rooms. I don't know if you guys, You guys turn a lot of it as you're walking

down the stairs. That's right, double takes um. So you're all living under one house, do you, guys? Isn't for me? I guess from an outsider, it looks like you guys are kind of all in on this together. I don't just sound weird like that, but it just it just seemed like this bond almost like you guys are going

through this marriage, this this journey together. Would you agree or like the dean, like Dean said, is it is the individual couples where you guys are just kind of it's like person you married two people kind of Yeah. Jeremy said this, I think really great phrase that kind of summed it up that we weren't looking for the one, we were looking for the ones because we do we feel it's funny. It's you know, we're twins looking for our double dose of prince charming. We found them and

we are all for in it very much together. Were you guys looking for twins today? I think I read that somewhere right. That was the dream, that was our dream since we were a little girl, and the dream true identical twin princes. Absolutely, how about you guys? Yeah, that was definitely, uh, something that we had always thought was just going to be the only way that, uh, that we could get married is if we found our

twins out there. And so we went to Wednesdays. You know, we didn't go there with that soul you know, um it was they're open to it. You wanted to self debtle the prophecy or something like that, right, and you know, we hit hit the jackpot first try, first time we went. So at the wedding then, which we'll see on TV, what was that like? You guys had the same wedding dress. We picked out. Identical gowns and tuxedos are a little bit easier to pick out. How about how about cakes?

Was there one kick, two kicks? Same two kicks? That's a good question. Yes, And the theme was of our wedding was twice upon a time, so it was a double fairy tale. That's really cute. How's marriage life been, because you guys been married since August, so you're five five months in just about I don't know. I'm not good at math. That life is good. Life is life is twin saying, but in a good every other ever disagreements,

either among the siblings or the couples. Sure, sure we have our moments, of course, but nothing we get along the brittany and to get along better, like Josh and Jeremy have made our relationship better. They've done the same thing for us. They've made us better twins. That makes sense, Well, it's we can understand our bond through them. We can see how they interact and and to share it you romantically and have my twin and they're twins. We it's

just this um like the town that we're from. You know, we're we're kind of the twins in the area. You know, it's not twins around around right where, So we don't really get to see other twins interacting with each other or really understand our own relationship as compared to another set of twins. Alright, so we get to understand more

about ourselves. It's like there's a strong foundation for understanding someone else before yet even never met them, right because they had gone through so much of what you've already gone through as a twin. Right, yeah, exactly. So what's next for you guys? Are you still living? You don't live in Ohio, that's just where the festival was, you, but in the Midwest. I would assume we all live in Virginia. Okay, Virginia, okay, part not too far from Richmond. Okay,

so my fiance was raising grateful that's right. Yeah, what's next to you? Guys? Are going to stay in Virginia. I don't know if we're going to be making a move or not, but we big things coming were the things. We're hoping to be starting a business, the four of us together soon. We already to start our family. Yeah, maybe we can make that double pregnancy. Branna and I are thirty two. Okay, she started two in five minutes. Yeah, throw that in there and we're okay, great, Okay, Well

what's this? What's this big business you guys are thinking about? That is that's something you guys are kind of keeping under apps for now. Sure, we plan to have an amazing wedding venue and boutique hotel that the four of us will run together. Branna and I are attorneys, and so we say, you know, we get divorced like a hundred times a year, and we want to get married a hundred times a year instead. That looks incredible even it out? Just come up with a net neutral uh

end of the year, right? That makes sense? I feel you guys are like living the dream a little bit, because a lot of times in marriages are relationships, you become so close with that significant other that your best friend kind of gets left behind a little bit, and relationship change and friendships change. But not for you guys, because I'm assuming your best friend was your sibling. It

sounds like for each respective um family. And so not only are you guys so close with your significant other now, but you're still able to keep that close relationship with your best friend that you've grown up and have all these experiences with exactly awesome. Thank you. I gotta talk to Ashley and and we gotta gotta figure something out here. Yeah, I live with my see you want to live together? Anyways? For the listeners out there that want to watch the

Twin Saning Wedding. So you're gonna wake up, you're gonna listen to this podcast. And what you're gonna do when you go to bed or just get ready for bed is watch the Twin Sane Wedding on t LC. Um and watch this this magic unfold. That's what I'm going to be doing at least. Yeah, I'm super excited for you guys. And what else? So for the listeners out there, um, if they want to follow you on social is there anything else that they can do to follow your guy's journey?

We use hashtag are twin Saying wedding? Okay and hashtag twins sell your twins? Yeah, yeah, that's pretty cool. That's amazing. You guys appreciate it. Thank you for coming in. Guys. This has been an incredible experience for all of us, I hope, so thank you for Yeah. We we'll be tuned in Monday night. Yeah, Monday night, February eleventh to Night Central our Twin Sane Wedding on TLC. Check out how are you sleeping in night? Um? You know, Jared, I could always sleep a little bit better. Why do

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They're there, they did everything right. But I'm still a little creeped out. Well, I wanted to ask, but I felt I didn't want to offend them if in previous relationships, if they were ever interested in the same person, because that's interesting to me. Two twins is gonna back in here and asking that's a good question. It is a good question. But they were talking so much about their wedding and engagement, and I was like, am I going

to be really the jackass now? And it's like, all right, well, forget about the happiness you guys have right now, let's get into the nitty gritty of the fights that you guys had about Because imagine this, Dean, imagine um imagine Emily and Haley. Right, they're both identical, twins, both beautiful, they both like you. How do you? How do you deal with that situation? Because I mean if I if I was the point, because I would deal with it differently. If I was me, I'd be like, heck, yeah, let's go,

let's let's do it all the way. Would you want a throuble not with just them? Would you do if you ever do a throuble with twins, not just Emily and Hanley, but twins in general? I sure, I mean I don't. I don't think I do a throuble to begin with. But what's the different I mean, no, Actually, you know what, I wouldn't do a throuble with twins because there's what's the point of having a throuble if you're dating two of the same people. Granted, obviously twins

aren't the same people. But if you want a little variety, yeah, it's all about you. You kind of go with the inverse of the first person to fulfill whatever the need is that you want to have a throuble or I don't know, I don't know what I'm saying. So what you're saying is, if you're in a throuble, you'd want one blonde and one brunette type thing. No, if I was in a throuble, I would want one blonde and I would want one Um, I don't know, Uh, what's

what's the opposite of a blond? I was thinking, like I was gonna say, I was gonna say like I was trying to go like creatively opposite and it just failed. That's okay, Well, you know, what are you gonna do? I think I'm excited to see their wedding. I'm gonna watch. I'm definitely gonna watch. They were very they were very nice, Like, they were very nice. It is the only part that makes me not weirded out, but the idea of getting

pregnant at the same time. So I was actually thinking that just as we were taking pictures, is what if one of the couples gets pregnant and the others unable to. I think that could lead to some sort of like depressive Well, of course, because that could cause issues. But even one of the guys when we were talking off air, said like, well, we hoped, you know, it works out, but you know, he said something along the lines of

it's not in our control. Well, of course, what I'm saying, if one of the couples gets pregnant and the other one is unable to, I think the couple wasn't able to get pregnant is going to be even though a couple of guess pregnant, they're gonna be sad because they're gonna want their children to be brought up together. They're gonna want to go do the same experience together at the same time as they have their entire life. So it's like it's almost like they're setting themselves up for failure.

But obviously, like you know, it's it's if they are able to pregn at the same time, then all it better, then it'll all work out. It's interesting there dynamic because the individualism of each relationship, it just doesn't feel like it's there. It does feel even when I was talking to them, it does feel my granted I met them for twenty minutes, it does feel like a big relationship.

Not a bad thing because there is ups and down to that, right because you really have your best friend going through something very the same exact thing you're going through. Right now, you all live on to one house. What if you think one of them wants to get a divorce. Do you think that means that both of them have

to get divorces? Like, you know, I don't know. I don't know if one of them started to see if if josh is like, well, Brittany, yeah, she's just you know, it's not really going well, so I think I want to get separated. Does that mean Jeremy's like, oh, crap, I guess I have to do the same thing too. Well. It would create some serious awkwardness because they have done so much of this relationship together thus far that like, say, hold on, it was Jeremy and Arianna, it was Jeremy Brenna.

To be honest, I sid no idea, it was Jeremy Browna and it was josh and Brittany. So if Joshua was like, hey, it's not working out with Brittany, We're going to get divorced, that does create a super awkwardness because his best friend Joshua is still married to Brianna and they're living under the same house. Would that mean that Brittany would have to move out too? Because did

you ever have you I'm sure you wanted Entourage? Yeah, yeah, there's a there's an episode where Ari or this he has an employee who's a twin and his employee comes in complaining about how his twin brother slept with his wife. Do you remember that episode? I don't. I couldn't stop thinking about it when we were doing that. So Ari has a friend that's a twin So Ari, one of Ori has two employees and their twin brothers. And one of those twin brothers has a wife, and that wife

slept with her husband's brother. Yeah, twinn, Yeah, that's cheating, cheating on on his identical twin brother. Yeah, but did she know in the show? Did she know that it was the other brother? That's what Ari asked, because he's like that this episode. Now, yes, yes, Stitchy cheat on you with you? Or did she cheat on you with him?

It was the question she knowing the cheat that's the problem. Like, for example, what if, like the twin brother was just an one was like, I'm gonna see if I could pull one off, kind of like me myself and Irene. I don't know it. Granted, this a little different because it was a I know it was schizophrenic, but technically he was like two different people, and Hank, who was the bad one over, pulled one over and just pretending he was the other guy. Irene, why am I beeeing

like I had sex last night? Every week time? That that movie is so under rated. That was nobody talks about that about being Jim Carrey is one of his funniest movies, and it might be his funniest movie. That was the second movie I ever saw in theaters with my mom. You saw that with your mom? I was like ten years old. Oh god, So that's a horrible special place in my art. That is one of the dirtiest movies I can remember. There's an F word every other My mom was a badass. She's like, let's go

see this good for you? That's amazing. Anyway, Well, that was a very interesting segment and I'm very fascinated to watch Monday Night. But we also have Tore in studio here. Hi, guys, Hey to you guys have heard from Tory in the past. She's a producer on the podcast. She likes to hide in the shadows, but sometimes we were able to coox

her into coming onto the air. Sometimes she chimes in from time to time, but it's mostly when Venice is out here because we just need we need that female not only female perspective, But we just need somebody to really, you know, rain us in. Sometimes sometimes Dean and I can get a little crazy and sleeping paid double time to be honest, monitoring you guys, having to keep this. Mark's not here, Amy's not here, Vanessa is not here.

You have to deal with me, Dean and Easton. If you picture like hurting kittens as that's like what I feel like. Are you calling us kittens? Really cute? We're dogs, That's what we are. We are We're animals, We're not kids. I like to think of myself as polar bear. I think Dean is a puppy actually spirit animal. A good one is California. Boy, it makes sense. Wait why I was saying that you're threatened by climate change just like polar bears are. Oh yeah, I hate climate change chemicals,

that's why? Is that why you just don't use So you don't use chemicals because really you're like it hurts the polar bears. That's I think from your own so much as you can do in your life to reduce your carbon footprint, you should be doing it. So what do you do? Kind of cards question? What do you do? Pretty? Yeah, that's what I want to know polar bear. Um, I don't overuse. I use everything in moderation. Yeah, no, you're pretty good about the environment. My question is, though, why

why is the polar bear your spirit animal? Um? I just love them. They're my number one favorite animal. I picture myself as one. They're they're powerful, but they're still loving, are they? Do you believe in reincarnation? I do not believe in reincarnation. So you don't think, like in a past life, you're a pull bear? Aren't polar bear is super aggressive? Well? Yeah, they're they're killing machines. How are they?

Didn't you just say they're soft. I'm sure they're soft, Like physically, if you touch polar barrier, things really soft until it claws off your arm. Here's the thing with bears and any animal in general, like a So my five favorite animals go polar bear, lion, tiger, grizzly bear, wolf, and they're all alpha predators right essentially. I genuinely think that if I were to ever encounter any one of those five animals in the wild, I would be able

to befriend it. And I don't like the grizzly man died. He died because he thought he could do this, and he died doing what he loved. But he died because he had this stupid idea. But he lived, he did. But then there was granted, apparently there was a bear who was just a bad bear and he knew this, like he had really bad vibes about him, or he did some aggressive behavior and that was the bear that ended up killing him. Yeah, and he but he was I wanted to prind that bear even more than the

other bears. But I'm serious. I literally think that if I came across a bear in the wild, how would you do this? Do we have a pot of honey? No, I wouldn't coax it. I wouldn't do that. Like honestly, he doesn't have a plan. Think that we would have a mental connection that would go beyond words, and because of that connection, like the twin side, we would approach

each other. We would walk up to each other calmly, knowing that neither of us is a threat to the other, and we would fully embrace each other with arms around. This actually makes me very nervous because Dean, you travel alone so much that I can just see you one time traveling and God knows where and You're in some sort of jungle with no service on your phone, thinking to yourself, I got this, I can do this. This is my moment, this is my spirit animal. A bear

is in front of me. I am going to try the bear, but the bear would also be trying to hook me. Is the thing I wouldn't misread the situation. I know when to give. This is like a lot like your dating life. I feel like I don't misread that. You know the conversation and it's like, what's this title? I don't read anything. I'll be fine on paradise. Okay, wait, wait, I actually do want to know, Jared, what's your spirit animal? I actually haven't thought about what my spirit is. What's

your favorite animal? My it's it's such a cliche, but of course it's a dog. No no, no no, no no, no, non domesticated, non domesticated favorite animal. American of you, so American of me. But I also it's the idea of flying. That's what really fascinates me. I guess I guess my favorite animal and an animal that I would want to be for a day would be different, because you're right, it would be cool to be a bird and fly through the air of course, can't change it. You already

said you. I said, my favorite animals a polar beer. But if I could be any animal for a day that's different than your spirit animals, I agree. That's what I'm saying. There is different, spared him. Yes, because I don't know what my spirit animal. That would be non domesticated, because I'm so domesticated as a human being. I'm such a homebody and I'm so white. Okay, okay, let's bring

us back to dating. What would be a red flag spirit animal you would have if a girl at a dinner was like, You're like, hey, what's your spirit animals? Would be a red flag butterfly? Butterfly? They're so innocent, sweet, I know, but it just seems like a cliche answer to give. It is. But the I I've always believe

cliches are there because they're just so popular. Like there's a reason why cliches a cliche, because they're just a particular But you know how anti informity I am, Like if someone I don't, I don't want to fit into the more you pull a bear? Did you guys see

that news article about the jogger in Colorado? The guy was jogging through Colorado like a couple of days ago, and a mountain lion pounced on him from behind, and the guy killed the mountain lion ship and then walked to the hospital and got his his his bare hands. He choked a mountain lion out, And part of me is like, I think I could do that too. God, if the mountain lines was refusing to be my friend, which I don't think would happened, I think he would be.

I think he'd want to be to be receptive, to be in my homie. He will be able to grab him by the throat and no, I have to save my own I mean, unless you were able to leave the situation so well, Because the idea of you going into a situation with a mountain lion thinking we're going to be best friends, fast forward four seconds later to you choking this thing out. I don't think you could

change your mindset that quickly. The thing with the mountain lion is you don't see the mountain until it's already on top of you, you you know, because they're like experts at self. So what if you think this mountain lion is just trying to cuddle with you? It hurts no easy, No, no, just a little cudd of they don't bite, don't bite. And then he digs his teeth in and then I'm like, all right, you've gone to that's it. That's the moment right there. Did this jogger? Was he a badass in

real life? Or did he just I don't think they've shared like so, no one knows who it is exactly, but they've shared the story. You know. Yeah, I'm curious if this guy had any type of military training or if he was a copp or some sort of because the idea of like a third grade teacher who's just going on a jog in the morning, no against nothing against third grade teachers. Let me put this, the idea of a reality TV choking on a mountain lion seems a little I mean I could do it, I'm telling

you right now. But I mean that's pretty powerful. All right? Are we gone way off topic? Hold on? So did you are? You said butterflies? It was just the first because I love butterflies. Butterflies are my favorite insects by far. Why. Um, they're symbolic of angels. Uh, they're very they're super majestic. Actually, there's I'll tell a real story so are moths symbolic of demons? I don't know if it actually butterflies have

like a really beautiful story. Yeah, I'm gonna share a story that's it's a real story that's happened to you personally. I'm gonna take away from the joking aside for a second. So I have a tattoo on my back from my friend Hunter, who got hit by a truck when I was ten. I don't know if I've shared that with you ever. Yes, um, And five minutes before he got hit by a truck, I remember this like beautiful yellow

monarch butterflyland. We were riding riding our bikes and we're like sitting there and this beautiful yellow monarch butterfly landed on the ground, and I remember he rolled his bike over onto intentionally and killed the butterfly. And he's like, look at me, and I killed this. But we're ten year olds, you know, like we're just like you don't think anything. We love chaos, so we're just like doing that. And I was like, and I remember it so distinctly.

And then literally five minutes later is when he got hit by the trucks. So now I'm every time I see a butterfly fly by me, I'm like, that's my boy Hunter thinking of me. So I have his initials on my back. And then I've got a butterfly fly. That's sweet. So I love butterfly. So I feel girl said her spirited animals a butterfly. I like, she's probably the one butterfly has always been. Mo, is there a

butterfly emoji? Oh? Yeah, you're going to be flooded with And anytime anyone says they have like a butterfly tattoo, I'm like, Okay, that's badass. I love it. Yeah, that's a good step right there. Game had a butterfly tattoo on his face and he got it covered up by the Dodgers logo. So that was a mistake. You should have kept it. Did he say why he had a butterfly tattoo? He was in a gang called the Butterfly Yeah. Um, all right. So I think I don't know if there's

a red flag for a spirit animal. If somebody said something like cockroach, yeah, I feel like I'd be more interested cockroach. Yeah. Like if somebody was like a cockroach, I feel like that is like one of the most hated and undeserving little characters on this earth. Well, sorry, that's true, but like why, like why would you want to be? Like people flush that down the toilet? Why. I'm kind of in trade with squirrels their planners because

they store everything for winter. They got like they're on their games. Really hard to think of an animal that's not an insect. That's hard to justify. It's like, you can't really think of honey badger. Oh, I'm resilient, I'm strong and whatever. So you've thought about that, well, honey bad I was thinking, there's a the NFL player that's called the honey Badger because he's a badass. Yeah, um, what about catfish? Yeah? Fish would be interesting. You know.

I used to be the manager of a van shoe store, and when I would interview people, I'd ask them, if you were a tree, what kind of tree would you be? That was very and sometimes the decision was entirely made on that answer, but a popular one. If a girl said a palm tree the door, yeah, I was you stole the words right out of my mind. Would you be? Oh, redwood? Good? I don't even think of that, but all long, thick, thickly like your body, strong, resilient, pleasing a woman, you

know everything. I was thinking fern, but is a firm of plant, friends of plant, so wouldn't I was thinking oak tree. That was the first one, king of mind. All right, let's get back to dating for a few minutes before before we go away off topic with these trees. Here, Tori, the reason you're a girl, you're a woman. Thank you. You have three gentlemen in the studio right now. You have an engaged guy, a single guy, a married guy. Wow, so much has happening, so much knowledge with this within

this one studio room. So my question to you, Tori, do you have any anything you want a guy's perspective on, because you can have three different threes for right here, just some relationship to who we just had on the show. What is a guy's obsession with twins? Why is that immediately so hot? Yeah? But don't you think that a twin sister is less likely to have a threesome with her sister? It's it's it's I never said guys are smart.

What I'm saying is that a guy's dream. I'm not saying it's my dream, so please, but for most gentlemen out there, it's probably to sleep with two twins at the same So we've talked about this on the podcast before. I'm anti threesome, right, So I don't see the appeal of twins, but I guess to Jared's point, I could maybe see why a guy would be so like, I

don't really get it, but anything, it kind of feels overwhelming. Well, it's also like, you know, the idea of a guy walking in with a woman on each side of him. You know, he walks into a club with a girl on his left arm and a girl on his right arm. You know, you it's a power move. It shows that you have swag, that you can get girls. And so the idea of dating twins sisters, it's kind of it's it's a power move, and there's also a taboo factor to it. I feel like that guys are very intrigued

by dating sisters. Bro, you know, I hate I'm not saying I'm a fan. Yeah, I know you're not. I hate it, but yeah, I guess that's that's definitely a thing it makes So you don't like twins like you's no, I mean I'm not individually, but the idea of the dream of dating twins It's funny because I know so, like I said earlier, I have to two friends who

are twins. They're guys, like I went to high school with them and they live in l A. But then there's also these two girls in l A that I've known for since I moved here, so like four years ago, um, who are identical twins, and they're both beautiful, and I had a big crush on one of them for like a like, you know, a few months, but I never even thought for a second about the other one. And I was like, what, why do I like that one more than that one? I don't know, it's a weird thing.

Now I hear you. I understand where you're coming from. So there's like it's a I don't know, there's like a distinct difference for me having met both of them, to be like, Okay, I like this one more than that one. Um. Granted, they're both beautiful twins, but there's also a person. I mean, obviously there are twins are very similar, but I'm sure, uh they have individual personalities as well that come shining through that made them either

more attractive or less attractive. I don't think these things really had much of a personality to shine through with but that I found out after a while. I actually have a question about this. But Eastern, I want to hear your thoughts. What is there a fascination dating twins? How long you been married? I've been married for a year and a half. And how long have you been dating your wife? Uh? Five years? So even I have

a game for quite some time. Yeah yeah, but I I like hearing perspective of guys who have just you know, I mean I had a game for quite some time. I mean I I've told the story actually on this podcast before, but I I dated a fraternal twin and then I had sex with the other one. Uh. But not not my proudest moment, but I love that I did it. Who would have thought Easter? I know. And here's the thing, Wait, why is it not one of

your proudest moments? I felt because I feel like a scumbag DNT because a little bit Yeah sure yeah yeah. So like what happened was I dated this girl who was my friend's older sister, I might add, uh, and we did it for like a year. We broke up. Uh, I stayed friends with the twin because we just will

the three of us hung out all the time. And then the sister didn't want to speak to me anymore, but the twin and I still hung out, probably inappropriate, and then she started telling me she she she had the hearts for the Eman. Yeah, that was not turned anything down to that. That your nickname or did somebody give you that? So we gave it to me and okay, yeah, we'll go with that story. That story. My mom called me Eman one time, so I called myself Eman every day,

every every now and then we did. And then she said I want to date you. I want I'm interested in you, and I was thinking, like, I can't that would be I just felt like that would be too much, you know, like it would would like that would destroy things with you and your sister. Uh I, I couldn't be.

The ability that us as humans give sex to destroy relationships is so prevalent, so real, it's and so interesting if we think about it, because if you're like, okay, sex can't happen with you because of the potential repercussions that will come from it, whether it's between the two of us, whether it's between our friends, whatever it's from It's like there are so many well there are a lot of good things that can come from sex, of course, but there's also so many bad things I could come

from its wise, is what I'm talking about. Well, I'm not talking about finarial diseases specific part of the conversation that that aside. I'm talking about how it can destroy relationships, whether it's between the two people engaging, or whether it's between friends or or yes, sex changes things. Can I take this in a little bit of a different direction, ask because a question. Have you ever broken up with someone or called something off depending on where you were

in the relationship status because the sex was bad? Yeah, Jared m M. Have you had a discussion to be like, hey, how can we make this better? We just like it's I'm thrown in the towel. It's a hard nor never has enjoyed every bit of sexy has. I think at the end of the day, some people are sexually compatible and some people aren't. And if compatible, it's sure you can make it better through through avenues like communication. But

sometimes it's just unachievable to make it better. Yeah, but I also think there there's a quote one time that somebody said women are attracted to the men they fall in love with and men fall in love with the women they're attracted to. Do you think that's true? I don't know. I don't think I think there's I think there's Uh. I think it's a lot of it's true that so women fall in love with the man that

they're I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that. Uh. Yeah, that makes sense to me because I think I can only come from a guy's perspective, because I am men learned to love the women they are try acted two women learn to become attracted to the man they fall in love with. Got I think that spakes because for guys, they like it or not. A lot of the first impression does come from physical appearance, right, physical attractive to

visceral things, and beauty doesn't. Beauty is an eye beholder, right Like what I find beautiful is somebody else might not, but like for me, what I do find beautiful is usually the first thing I look at, right, like, whether it's on a dating app, whether it's at a bar. Like you know, I if I find somebody attractive, I will try to go talk to them in my single

days not anymore. Um. And So I think it's interesting because I think a lot of relationships start with that, and then you'll try to figure out the other things as you go on to make it all work because you are so physically attracted this person and maybe the sex is so good. The challenging thing. The challenging thing about that, I feel like is do you ever take like economics in college where you have the supply and demand chart where the supply goes bottom left, top right,

man goes top left to bottom right. Um, I feel like that could be similar for how men and women see relationships. A woman starts out not being attracted to a guy, but the ends ends up being really really in love with the guy at the end of it.

The guy starts out being really really attracted to her and infatuated by here, and then over time that fades away and fades down, and so there's a there's uh an intersection at some point, But then they continue to trend in opposite directions because because like you said, guys fall in love with who they're attracted to. That attraction can change over time, of course, and then that love

that they felt might change with it as well. But if a woman is basing her love off of uh like being around them and the feeling that she has and it consoling to get stronger. Well, hopefully the trend would continue, so they would meet at the middle and then just go together and then go together. That's the

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they're updating the iPhone in general because the FaceTime issue. Yeah, I know what's funny is that that came out and I received a couple of Facetimes for my friends, and I'm like, I know what you're doing, and I don't like it. You could, ha can You could call someone via FaceTime, answer for them, and then basically listen to their conversations without them knowing that you're listening. Hold on,

say it again, you call into someone's phone FaceTime. Okay, So if I call you FaceTime, yep, and then you and I never answer it, but you can answer. You can make me answer from your phone and that way you can call the conversation that I'm having it's a glitch. Yeah. Um, that's good that they're fixing that. There's Uh, it's funny actually because with the twins here we talked about it for a very quick second. But there obviously they released

new emojis all the time. Um, and with this new emoji release, they are releasing a red blood drop blit um emoji to join like the emoji lexicon, which is bringing, which is aiming, I guess, to destigmatize menstruation, And how do we feel about that as men? I'm very much I love menstruation. I think it's a beautiful process. I just feel like red red drop, that's gonna be just blood. I agree. I agree it's a bit ambiguous with the emoji.

And like I've said before, I wish I could menstright because then I wouldn't have to need I wouldn't have to have calendars. I could just get rid of all my calendars. You just know what day it is, just through my cycle. Um. I think it's good to de stigmatize menstruation as a guy, like, we're not really prone to I guess having in our lives, right like unless you're married or you're a real relationship with someone you don't really like, I don't think about it on a

regular basis. You're also not a female, That's what I'm saying. You don't go But I as a single man, and I have no connection with menstruation in my life whatsoever. So what Tori raised your him? Well, I was just going to ask because that is something I would honestly ask when you guys are, like, what do you want to know about guys? Like is it weird to be like, hey, sorry, I'm just on my period, like or whatever, Like is

it gross you out? Like what is for me? I grew up in a locker room, and select for me, I'm always like you just you know, everything's like normal and you know it's not really Yeah, I want to ask that in a way where you guys can Like when I first heard about this, I was a little taken back, maybe because I'm unaware. I never thought there was really that much of a stigma. I don't know if there a menstruation either, But as so for me, you don't get grossed out like I'm a period. I'm sorry.

I'd be like, Okay, I got grossed out when I was fifteen, you know, a teenager, and I was like, oh, that's you bleed gross. I think as an adult, I think the human condition. I think the initiative here is because there seems to be a connection with menstruation that it's like Tori said, it's almost like people don't like talking about it because they feel like they're not allowed to talk about it, even though it's a part of a humanly process, bodily process that we that women go through.

Of course, um, do women feel like they are they can't talk about it to other women or they can't talk about it to men. No, I think it's too men women and women were like, sorry, just on my period or like give a tamp on, Like everything is just like asking for lipstick or something from a person. Like it's very normal for us because we experience it.

Were like course we get like there are horror but like hold on, So I'm confused, is this supposed to take away stigma of like you talking about your period

to me? So there was this Instagram photo that happened probably about like a year ago now, and it was this girl laying in bed and there was like a blood spot and then it was reported and she had to end up taking it down, and um, so I think for that they're just kind of being like, we can post photos and there can be blood, there can be other situations informing that girls have periods, and it does have to be this like report or disgusting or seemed as like it's it should just be like normal

in our culture because every girl has I I sort of disagree with that though, I'm not posting pictures on my Instagram with a should I start doing that? Like, sure, it's a natural bodily function, but you but that's sexual. It's aren't really sexy. Sometimes it's not. Sometimes you just wake up and like what the hell? No, there are many times or I'm not thinking about anything, like I'm not thinking about sex. I just you know, sometimes, especially

in high school. Do you know how many times I've had to flip my up into my waistband and I know we have to bleep the word sorry. That's also high school, but you would flip it up in your waistband just so you would have to hide it from people.

So you're saying kids in high school should just be walking with their with their tent fully pitched I'm not saying that because I don't think period is sexy, Like that's not like something that's like, oh, guess what I have, Like you know what, something where it's like we literally can't control, like sometimes you just like bleat so much, like it gets place. It's like it's not pretty. It's just kind of being like that's just what happens. It's

part of being a girl, and it sucks. I'm I guess I'm I think that there's a line, there's a lot, there has to be somewhere. So you're saying you wouldn't appreciate like on your friend's feed having something like showing that she was like bleeding. I just don't think it's to announce. Yeah, there's no point in hiding it, of course, but there is an issue like what's up, I'm on my period? Check out my bloody crotch. I don't think that's entirely necessary because it's it's but then like like

moms posting breastfeeding. See, but that's like that's just nature, Like it's just nature versus like the put puberty is very much part of nature. Right back to your original conversations, like sexual round like a girl like this hard who post a picture with her boobs out, You'd be like, we'll report that that's very sexual. But with a baby on your breast, it's natural. So it's like there's just kind of that level line of being like, Okay, I

have a period. It's not sexy, but like it's just natural, like just kind of like there's a reason for there's just yeah, like yeah, but the idea too. Now we're stigmatizing sex. Wow, good strong rebuttal And so that's my only question, like what are we going to stigmatizing and what are we not going I just think we should swear and clothes. I'll just walk around even think the whole Adam and just let the Adam Levine thing. Right.

There was like backlash about him taking off a shirt because people were saying, if he can show his nipple at the halftime show, why why was there a big fuss? Is an actual like yeah, because um, a lot of people were just wondering. But here's the thing that actually brings up a good question for me, because when when did it become socially acceptable for women not to show

their booths? I know that sounds really um. I think it depends on what you believe in, because if they're like the Bible, it's from day one when Adam bit to that or when Eve bit to the apple, then shameful and then she covered herself up. But then if you go to like other places, it's like, well the cavemen put for over themselves, keep them warm, like it just kind of think it depends on what you believe in and where it all started. I agree. So my question is, if we bring it back to this whole

period emoji, is where do we draw the line? Um. I don't want any female to feel uncomfortable talking about her period. It is a natural course of life. It's something that females will go through. I also don't want guys to feel uncomfortable talking about what they go through during puberty and like it's just hormones and females go through too, But we also know that it's just it's it's a hard thing to really know balance, right, because if if if we destigmatize periods, then what else are

we going to destigmatize? And I'm saying we shouldn't or should but it's just a conversation to be had. Yeah, if ash's on our period, do you guys still pool around. Ah, that's a personal question. Well, I mean it's a hard personally. It doesn't stop me. It doesn't stop me and I We've had we've had many we we we've we've had we've talked about it, and and those conversations will stay private to what we do or what we don't do.

But certainly I'm very comfortable talking about subjects like that, whether it be you know, intimate relationship while you're going through your period, or whether it is you know, just going through your period in general, and if I need to buy you things or things of that nature. The point is, I've been um as I'm sure most guys have been in the situation where you're getting intimate with someone and then the girl goes, oh, no, I feel bad, I'm on my period. Well maybe they're trying to stop

it from happening. Maybe that's what it is. That's where my head went, certainly, like say it's your girlfriend or something like. It's not just like some random hookup, Like say it's your girlfriend, because that's typically when you would accounter that. I feel like a girl is almost ashamed to be like, oh, I'm on my period. I don't think we should do this for you're sick. But in my eyes, I'm like, I don't care, no exactly, but it's more of you know, it's it's it's a nice gesture.

You know, they're just being mindful toys, right, Maybe they're just trying to be like, well, I'm gonna lie, that's where my head went. But I also hear the other side, like I like, I don't know, you're just kind of not like proud of it. You're not like this is happening. You're kind of like, hey, sorry, Like honestly, it's kind of messy. Well it's messy and also as I'm sure,

god we're getting really graphic. But as a guy, you know, if you do involve yourself in relations while a girl is going through that time of her month, like it does you know it gets on you. Well that's fine. I think it's fine too. I'm fine with that, but I can understand why a female with actually I'm not sure if I feel comfidab. This is also another fun fact as a girlfriend, not even just a hook up.

I mean in a relationship, we actually release I forget the scent on our period that makes us more attracted to men um I forget what it's called pero, maybe like a pheromone. I should probably have my facts before I present this to the table. But do you know we become more attractive to men through like there are pheromones. So it's actually funny. Is in this article about the emoji, the period emoji, they're saying with that release, they're also

releasing a perfume. That's what it is. It's like and it makes guys. Well. It was actually kind of excited cause I was like, okay, so I am being accurate because I'm this is actually a thing. But you like release this pheromone and it becomes and it's like on your period, we become more attractive. There are two men.

There are articles that have kill it when you know articles that have been written that say, as a guy, if you're going out to a bar, you should uh service yourself before you go out because you release the pheromone that women find attractive. I have never heard that before. I heard it before. Wikipedia doesn't Countia Street Journalist scripture. Oh and I'm confused. So you're saying that women release

the scent that men can smell. Yes, it's like it's like subconscious, You're not like, oh, the smell just happened. It's like it's just yeah, exactly, like alright, a little weird, but yes, like you know, like it's something that happens consciously, almost in a round, because like you don't really smell the set, but it makes us more enticing to met on our period. And on the flip, the flip side of that is men servicing themselves before they go out,

because women subconsciously pick up on something. There's a there's an article on the Independent. It's it's headlined when women are at their most fertile a time of the month, they smell better. And that really blows back down to the visceral things that we find attractive in women, like birthing hips, big butts, big boobs, for feeding their children, that we just don't even associate with each other anymore.

Like I look at it because we've grown up. I look at a butt that's really nice, and I don't associate with it. Those are great birthing hips. I just like, I don't know what it isn't mean, I'm just like, that's a really nice but you know what I mean. It's because we're comes so disconnected from these humanistic feelings that we just don't even know what to relate them

back to. Actually the practical reasons. Why No, that's really interesting because it makes sense why are we attracted certain parts of the body and why are we not attracted? And then, if I'm sorry for the language, I'm gonna say it again, it works with us mentally because then we stigmatize things like menstruation even though it's a thing that we are programmed and wired in our heads to be attracted to, and now we're stuck hiding it from

each other. See this brings me into all types of conversations right now, because is there's, like you say, butts and and and all hips and birthing, and that's why we're like boobs boos, and that's why we're trying, you know, attract to those certain parts of the body, because it all goes back to human nature and birthing, but we don't even think of that. It makes me curious on the other side of why are we not attracted things like feet? Like why are foot fetishes? Why is there

a stigma there? I'm curious if that relates to this not I'm just literally my mind is all over place now. But It's interesting, isn't it? Like? Why is there stigmature? Is that? Why are people? I wonder if there's something to do with human nature of maybe just the natural smell things, Why would someone be attracted to a foot more so than another person? I think it's what you're asking. Maybe, well you're saying, you're saying people are attracted to butts

because subconsciously we don't even think about it. But it goes back to birthing, right for men to women. That's that across the board, right, men are attracted And obviously it's a blanket statement that applies the stereotype of the population. But we're just speaking. And then there's one foot fetishes exactly Why do you think that is? Maybe just like a mental misfired in your neurons? Yeah, but what if women gave birth from their feet? Do you think people

more attracted? Well, yes, of course it interest So Freud claimed that foot fetishes start because feet resemble penises. Oh so you're saying, and it's similar to yeah, seen amos cared and the tiny man blah. For the listeners out there, they're very normal sized. Feed what's size about your normal twelve? Oh? Yeah, that would be good. I'm just kidding into that means nothing big. What were you going to say before that time? Are you proud of? Alright, let's stop talking about Dean's penis,

we're talking about my feet. Do we have time for one email or should Yeah? I think we should do too. Let's do too all right? Um, Let's do anonymous because Anonymous sorrow is my favorites and they're all from anonymous. Actually, man annot loves our show email. Let's do the one that asked about my infertility issue. Yeah, let's do that one. You want to read it for us? Yes? Absolutely? It says I love that Dean brought up how he went to a fertility clinic because he was serned he was infertile.

Would love for you guys to go more in depth on the male side of infertility issues. It's funny that this is It's funny that this is an email on today's podcast because we're talking so much about the subject. Right. Um. I think that there is a trade ingrained in all of us, whether we can identify it or not, that uh encourages us to procreate. And if there's any ever, if there's ever any doubt in our minds, that we have an inability to procreate. We start to focus on

it and it becomes like a mental issue. Um. So for me personally, like I said, I was twenty four, had never had a pregnancy scare, and I've had friends that are like, oh yeah, like she was a couple of days later on her period. I never experienced that um with my long term girlfriend. Uh, never never had that issue. So I was like, maybe there's something wrong

with me. And I ran through the process of like, okay, if Dean, if you're infertile and you come back and it says you can't have kids, because I want kids, like I want to have my own kids. I want to pass my genealogy on the next want to pass that size ten and to pass these little baby feed onto the next generation. And I was I started mentally preparing myself. I'm like, look, if you get these results back and they say that you can't have children, what's

your next step of action going to be? What's your course of action. I've always wanted to adopt. I would have no issue adopting, but I want to have my blood in uh some offspring. So I was like, look, you'll just take your brother's sperm and have it artificially inseminated in your wife. Hopefully she'd be okay with that idea. But I just want your brother would be okay, Well that's the thing, and I would have to bring it up with him. I would have to make sure that,

like I would be okay raising my brother's kid. Technically, there was like a lot of issues that I had to deal with. UM meant to mentally prepare myself for that situation, and it's not easy for for you know, obviously women you always wonder about, uh, you know, if you're going to be able to have children in your thirties or if you're if you can you know, even have a child. A lot of people aren't able to which is always very sad um, but you don't really

think of it from the men's perspective. So for me to go to that fertility clinic and objectively be like, okay, my my swimmers are fine. What is the process entail, it's I mean, it's pretty much what you expect. You go into a cup and then you get a little magazine. You go in the room for you know, twenty seconds. Yeah, do you have to like wait for a phone call? Do they have a report for you are on a percentage like one out of ten. So they make you

go twice. Um, you do it twice and how long I'll get really personal and intimate, So please do and probably over sure. I don't think I've ever shared the story,

even with someone my closest friends. They So I was moving to Los Angeles and during the move, I knew that there was a clinic in Los Angeles that I wanted to get tested at, and so because of that, I was there a specific clinical It was just it was just like that was the one that I found, right, and so and as I was moving to l A, I was like, that's the place that I'm gonna go.

The move took, you know, two or three weeks, And during those three weeks, I was like, look, you're not going to self service, You're not going to hook up with anyone. You're going to have the strongest, most potent uh sample you possibly can have. So I get there after three weeks of of of nothing, uh do it in the cup, right, and then they're like, Okay, we need you to come back in four days and supply a second sample, because that's just we we have two samples.

You know, to kind of gauge consistency. And they're like they came back eventually and they're like, everything's fine, but I just want to let you know, for some reason, your first sample was a lot different than your second sample. And I was like, well, yeah, you told him it had been three weeks at that point. In a few days after, but it was like this weird thing they were. They were like they called me like super concerned. They're like, hey, I just want to tell you there was a big

inconsistency with their samples. But what kind of inconsistency are we talking about? Like did you give them like our court The first time it was a lot, Like I said, this is a very interesting maybe like a two personal

of a story, but it was a lot. And then the second one, I was just like I didn't care because I was like, Okay, they already got like my my best swimmers, like my strongest ones yea, so like um, and they're like they're they told me, they're like, everything's fine, but I just think that you should know that you're a little inconsistent. I was like, Okay, well that's fine because I know exactly why. That's why that is. Yeah, what oh, because you didn't wait four days because once

a lot. Okay, let's ask Eastern that I didn't was the last time you went three weeks list and I was just putting this story together three weeks. There was actually a time where I was this is um. I was kind of like in a long distance relationship. I didn't two months with yourself. You didn't had no urge to It was crazy. It was the first time where I really felt, you know, there's there's no urge to

do it. There's actually the best. There are some studies again that are not on Wikipedia but actually published uh professionally whatever, academically. That's say if men are able to refrain from doing that, they're able to think more clearly, They're able to focus on more constructive things. I promise you I was still dumb as I was not George Costanza. I've read those. There's some people online to say, if you just don't do it, you'll be able to move

things with your mind. Like, okay, it written by a woman just to be like Einstein wasn't specially just never masturbated. I think, um, So we'll do one more email and then wrap up another one from anonymous our favorite fan. I'll read this one, which one perfect my friend is crossing the line. It seems like I like the sexual the sexting one, but all right, do that? No, no, do that one. Then I was just going through whatever was in order to do what everyone like. So Anonymous says,

because we haven't really talked about this. We've talked about it before, but not recently. The topic is is sexting cheating? And obviously the first response that is yes, Let's let's read the situation. My boyfriend and I have been together for almost three years and I just found out through and I just found out that he had sent dick picks to one of my friends and continue to do so for the first year of us living together. He's admitted to it messaging on porn sites as well, but

never anything physical with anyone. He He says that he'll see a therapist to find out why he has a sexting urge when he feels physically and emotionally fulfilled in our relationship. What would you do in this situation, Well, one, I would dump him. Well, he says he's going to see a therapist. That's a start. You definitely want someone

that's gonna work on their issues. But it sounds like he is giving a lot of people that aren't you his attention, and it's attention that will figuratively ultimately lead to sex, and that's a cheating. What if he's a sex addict? Do you believe in that? I know, do you believe in that? It doesn't seem like you do. Yeah, Tor, I literally just had this conversation with my friend last night and what was the Yes. Absolutely. I think there's a lot of forms of addiction. The celebrities that have

come out recently claiming sex addiction. But then I also just feel like men wanted four seven, seven days a week whatever, Like is it? I think that you're just he was very impulsive, Like I don't know if that's a word I want to put addiction to. I think it's just impulsive. I don't know. I'm not a secondodict.

Think it's just like anything in life, you know, where there are people that actually have an addiction and have an issue and they should go see therapist about it, and there's also people that used it as a cop out, you know, just like a lot of different areas of life. I think it's an easy way to be like like I remember I was cheating on high school and this guy he was like, we were both really drunk, and I'm like, yep, Like why is that a cop out?

You know where it's like you chose to drink, you chose me in that way, obviously you're still well to do the act, so like you weren't that drunk. I think what's worse about claiming addiction is it's almost like you're turning around to make them feel sorry for you exactly. That's no, That's what I'm saying. It's like it's a head tilt response to be like, oh, I'm so sorry

you can be addicted. But there's like a whole lying element to this and dishonesty, because like if he always winter and said, hey, I'm having these urges that I can't control, Like will you you know, I understand if you don't want to be with me anymore, but I'm going to try to get help for this. That's what he should have been. Instead he's like, I'm gonna send pictures of my joint to a lot of that totally. But in the email, she does say that he has

admitted to messaging on porn. Sometimes it's not her friends, No, exactly, So those lies and there's so I'm sure that she came to him. I was like, what the excuse me? And then he was like, yep, I did do it, and I've done this. He does say he's trying to go see a therapist. Here's the thing about addictions that I always say is that addictions are real, and but you have to put effort in to try to solve them.

Like you can't just be like, I'm an addict. There's nothing I can do, Like I tried, it didn't work. That's not good enough for me. I agree with you. But if somebody's like, hey, I'm a sex addict, but they go to therapy or they try to fix the issue and they get better, you know, that's a hard thing for me to really look down upon. I just my question is also for you guys, like, what's your opinion on this. A lot of people say, well, if you're an addict, that means so let's say you're an

call like you're addicted to alcohol. You you literally don't have a drop of alcohol and you're sober. So is addict kind of the wrong term to use for being a sex addict because technically you can't go you could go your life without sex, but like brutal, but like especially for men. So I don't know. I'm like, is

it just a wrong terminology. Is it just being like, hey, I am just kind of horning and like wanted it, or because an addict technically as you can't control indulge in it, like you can't indulge in it, you have you can, but like you're going to be sober, then you're like two years sober with no alcohol. You're right. Sex addiction would have to be like consuming your every thought. You're doing it at every given moment. You have the ability to I don't know, unable to stop in the

face of like what dire consequence. That's that's what addiction is like, when you really feel compelled to compelled to do something in the in the face of negative repercussion, you still do it. You know what I want to talk about not right now but next podcast, because I think it would be an interesting segment because Tori, you said something, you said the idea of not having sex, right, and you said that's a big issue, like especially for men. Yeah, I wonder who has more of a sex drive, women

or men? Because I think the idea that men want to have sex more is a wives tale. It sounds like we're a great closer for tomorrow, I mean for next week's I think we should talk about that on next week's podcast. It sounds like actually wants to have a lot more sex than Jared does. Well, that's an inssumption that nobody was thinking. When can we just close out on what? What do you guys think about this guy? Oh?

I think you should dump him. I think she should see if he if he goes to therapy and he actually gets better. I mean, I don't know. He did cheat on you, so you, honestly, you're on the right of the way. If you want to be patient and work on it with him and see if he gets better,

if you love him that much, do it. Because if you it really blois down to if you love him that much and you're willing to see this through with him, because to be fair, I mean not to be fair, the guy was in the wrong, but it wasn't physical cheating. That doesn't make it better. Um. But if he works on it and she wants to, you know, work this out with him, no pun intended. UM, go with it. And if you want to break up with him because

you're you're in the right. It sounds like to me is like this guy likes to seek the attention validation of other people, so it sounds like one person is just not gonna be enough for him right now. Yeah, totally right. That's a good that's a good analogy, not analogy. Good hint, Thank you. I think it was as well. There's a great point. All right, Well that's our show today. We need to do some thank you to some people. But we need to would love to thank Brittany and Brianna. Brittany, Brianna,

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