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Hello everybody, Welcome to an all new episode of Suckers. This is Dean Bell, joined by Kaylan and Jared. Per usual, we just got back from the iHeartRadio Awards and we.

Had an absolute last, very fantastic.

I always dread going to things like this, but I actually had a good time this time for the first time.

No, I feel like you say that a lot, and you usually do have a really good time if you have friends there. You had been there.

I did have been there. I just could. I could go on the ear with Ben, I could go to I could go to a foot acupuncture class, and I was still a good time. I don't even know what I would actually really not enjoy, but yeah, I know we had a good time.

We saw so many people perform. We saw Share, Jennifer Hudson, Beyonce came out on stage. She didn't perform, but she came out on stage. We saw Green Day, just Timberlake.

Yeah, it was a stacked line of Oh my gosh.

It was crazy. Ludacris.

Ludacris was so good jelly Roll was good.

Tate McCrae was good.

Tate mccree's like so gen Z. She was good, but she's like not someone that I'm super excited to see.

She was good, but she was good. She had a cool outfit. I like the boots she was in. Cameo bright orange was the exact opposite of camera cameo and orange. No, there was not a lick of camo on the stage when she was performing because hives orange and all of her dancers were in Highve's orange. But she crushed it. Who else there? I feel like we're missing someone.

It was your favorite because there were so many good ones. I think share for me.

I think it was cool to see share. She was lip syncing.

No she wasn't. You were saying that, No she wasn't.

I believe she was.

She was.

It was really Jennifer Hudson. That just blew me away. Everyone was great, But the second Jay hud started singing it like it, I like felt it in my body, like it hit my the core of my body. I don't know. She just had such a presence and her voice was so amazing and she was just belting it out. So I think she was probably my favorite. Luda was really good, and Justin Timberlake of course was really good.

Yeah, and everyone was great. I just sent in the chat she wasn't camo.

Oh she wasn't.

Yeah, she just sent it in the chest.

She was not.

She was an orange in camo. She was wearing a cameo jacket.

There's nothing camo about this that you just sent me. She's wearing orange Brazil with orange brazier black shorts.

Scroll down. That is a camo jacket.

It's like silver. It's like listening.

That is camo, all right?

Well, from this from the where we were, it didn't look camo to me, I guess because it's camouflage and you can't see it. I've never heard of Taate.

McCray, but you've heard her songs on TikTok.

She was pretty good. She was pretty good. Really unattractive is what Ben kept saying. He's like, she's just not attractive at all because she's very pretty. She's very pretty, like stupidly pretty. Not as pretty as my wife obviously, but you know, obviously it was funny too because she's twenty and then every other performer was, you know, big in the nineties. Yeah, and then we get this girl who's twenty years old and hot on the scene. But it was good. Taylor Swift was.

There, No, she wasn't.

Taylor Swift was there to accept her awards, but I went to.

The bathroom and then I got locked out until the next commercial break in, so Dean's trying to convince me. Taylor Swift came on stage and she wasn't because I watched the whole thing.

Accepted her awards and she was so grateful. I'm proud.

No, Beyonce was there and that was pretty cool.

Jar. Do you ever get a fomo for missing this kind of stuff?

Only if there's it really depends on who's there. Obviously, when you guys are there and Ben's there, if it's a good crew going, then we always get a little foam And yeah, I had a little fomo just from the amount of star power that was there, Like Holy justin Timberlake, Beyonce was there. I would see Jennifer Hudson. I don't really know any Jennifer Hudson songs, but I would love to hear her voice live. It's like if you hear go God's voice, you know, there's just like something about it.

You're like, yeah, who.

There are a lot of good voices in this world, but then there are just voices that just are cannot be replicated and you have to hear And I think people like Jennifer Hudson Go Go's got a voice like that.

I think Goga is so underrated.

I know she's like one of the biggest pop stars in the world, but I think that she should be like Taylor Swift level, but she's not.

She's had a weird like story arc I feel like because there's always kind of a lot of like controversy around her, even though she's never really done anything to deserve it.

I feel like Lady Gaga is there controversy.

I just remember like a lot of stupid rumors about her when we were younger.

Well, she also did like crazy stuff like she wore dress made out of meat.

Oh well, that's not really enough to get.

Like address of raw steaks.

Yeah, that's interesting, but no, Jennifer Hudson didn't sing. She sung a Share song. So what they announced Share is like the icon of the year or something like that. And they were like and performing SHARE's song, it's Jennifer Hudson, and so we're like, oh man, we don't get to hear it Share sing, but Jennifer Hudson's gonna crush it. And she did amazing. And then after Jennifer Hudson finished theare's first song, Share came on stage for the second song. She was lip syncing, but she was.

She wasn't And she's also in her seventies right, yes, oh my gosh.

By the way, sorry to interrupt you. I think I came to a realization when they were going through like the Share montage of her career. She's been performing for seven decades, insane for fifty something years. And when they went back it the math works out. Trust me, I did it in my head. When they were going back to Share like in her twenties and early thirties. I was watching and I was like, oh my gosh, I think I understand why Maria is so popular in the Bachelor because.

She's like share.

Maria gives me young Share vibes, I think is what it is. Something about the physically, yeah, something about the face, and something about maybe like the confidence. I don't know what it is, but I was like, maybe that's why everyone has such a fascination with Maria because they kind of have share vibes from her too, whether they realize it or not, you know, but shares obviously a huge icon for a reason, and so maybe anyone with that same type of.

Style as I don't think they're like anything like but well.

Of course not shares now seventy five years ago. No young young Share, no young Share. I don't know. It was just a thought, a passing thought that I had, and it kind of explained it to me why people would be so invested in Maria because they might.

Yeah. Also, on reality TV, we spent probably like five hours of The Iheartwards with Rachel Evis. So Rachel did something really horrible. We all know that she knows that she did something really bad, but she didn't go back on vander Pump rules. She Tom Is. Tom's on it and he's getting to like redeem himself and people are forgiving him, but nobody's forgiving her. And it's the classic like we forgive the guy, but we don't forgive the girl because we put women against each other and she

Yeah, And while we're at it, are people not forgiving.

I don't think so. Maybe I don't think so. It's also hard to because she's not on the show, so she doesn't really get to like tell her side of things.

You know, why is she not on the show?

She decided not to and I think it was so smart for her not to do it. But then Tom's on it and Tom like people are shooting on Tom but also forgiving Tom, and I just feel bad for the girl.

Tom stinks. Also Arianna stinks. Yeah, Rachel, she's great. And I've been saying this room of the get go, and I'm so proud of myself. I remember once when we first watched the reunion, we like went to a party together, right, and I was defending Rachel a little bit. I mean, obviously not her.

She can't defend what she did right better actions.

But like her follow up of it, like the accountability she's taking and all that stuff. And you were like, would you hit me in the arm? And you'd be like stop, stop saying that. You shouldn't be saying that, And I was like, I don't care. I have a good feeling that I'm right, and it just it feels good to be right.

Well, it's really cool to see someone take full ownership, like I did something wrong, I screwed up. I'm going to do everything I can to make it right. Tom is doing the exact opposite. Tom is comparing himself to O. J. Simpson and he won't take accountability.

Why is he comparing himself to OJ Simpson and thinking that's a good idea.

He compared scanned of vaut to OJ Simpson and George Floyd. Yeah, and it was really really bad.

But I haven't really seen anything talk about that besides when we talked about it on your podcast.

Yeah, it kind of got brushed over, which is shocking.

It's insane. And I was telling Ben this last night or two nights ago, I guess when we were after the concert on that stuff, and we were alway just kind of sit around hanging out. I said, there's nothing more appealing and person than someone that's a willing, willing to take accountability. And I think Rachel did that and is still doing it and is working on it, and she's knows she's made a mistake. She's beat the first

She is thriving, she's like doing better than she ever would have if this didn't happen. And I haven't watch last night's episode, but I got caught up before that, and like Tom came up to her and was like, Hey, just want to make sure you saw my email from the lawyers, and then the stare that she gave him. She like ignored him, acted like he doesn't exist, and it's like at some point you need to move on, you need to just like I just think Rachel's handling this a lot better than Arian is.

Honestly, Yeah, again, I just still feel so proud of myself. Hey, John never questioned my judgment again.

I also, Brittany Snow came out on her daddy recently, and I think that is how you should respond if so, if your partner has cheated on you. Her husband cheated on her on reality television. She watched it and she's handling it so well. She's like, yeah, they screwed up, but also our relationship wasn't perfect and I wasn't perfect, and she can own that even though he did something awful and she did on her.

Anyways, that's our pop culture segment for the day. I guess we're doing that Calen's corner.

I feel like I should chime in, maybe we should talk about I do think this leads to a bigger conversation just about relationships in general, and like I guess human nature because we're so imperfect in life, but.

Not that we have to be perfect in relationships. But I don't know.

I just find it's interesting. I think we're all just flawed. Like you guys are talking about Tom Sandfall and whatever about that, but you were talking about Rachel.

Is it Raquel or Rachel Rachel. Now, you're not an idiot. I know you know Rachel. Now you know as Raquel. You know her as Raquel from the show, but she now goes by Rachel. Yeah wait a minute.

It was so so she in like elementary school, there are a bunch of Rachel's, so she decided to go by Raquel to be different. And then when this came out, everyone's like, oh, that's not even her real name, So now she goes by Rachel.

I knew it.

I freaking I was like, so you're saying Rachel. I was like, oh, I thought it was Raquel. But obviously I'm wrong because I don't keep up with this stuff.

Ah.

So anyway, so Rachel, Yeah, obviously what they did was wrong, but I don't and it was good for TV. But in terms of like general consensus, you talk about Britney Snow So you're saying that her husband cheated on her.

How long were they married for?

I don't know, maybe a couple of years. But he her husband was on selling suns at oc and she watched it and there was like some weird stuff going on.

So he's on reality TV.

Yeah, he stopped after that season because it was really bad for him?

Why was it so so? He well, he cheated on his she did on her on TV.

They like he didn't sleep with someone on TV. But there was like weird stuff going on, like this girl sucked on his tongue and just weird stuff.

Yeah, I'd say that's a little weird.

Yeah, if a girl was sucking on your tongue, I would be like, what the hell?

Well, and also if it happened a year ago and then all of a sudden, you're just seeing it happen on TV. What a flawed marriage that must have been.

Yeah, But the way she handled it, she was like, I'm not going to talk crap about them. I'm not going to give them any space or energy. I'm just going to move on and move past this and also own my part in it. She's like, you know, like there were issues in our relationship or whatever, and why can't Arianna do that? Just move on, just be like there were issues, let's move on. Let me be a nice human now.

Yeah, I agree.

Okay, further idiot, Arianna was Tom Sandoval's wife.

Girlfriend of like eight to ten years or so.

Okay, okay, got it, got it. See, I just need the context. That's all I need.

I've been getting this context every week for the past few months. Yes see, Dean gets it every day.

I gotta get it. On the podcast What did you do this weekend?

Jared?

And what we had ead? We went to my brother in law's house. They had a big Easter egg hunt, and it was fun seeing Dawson just run around with my niece Nora.

It's fun seeing those.

Two together because they're just so little and adorable that like just seeing them run around and have no idea what the hell is happening in the world. It was

I had an Easter ecunt on on Easter you did? Yeah, I went golfing, which is kind of like a crun up version of an Easter egg hunt. Did you guys get each other for anything for Easter?

Now?

We didn't even get I don't even think that's the correct answer. I don't even think we acknowledged Easter when we were together, did we? We said, I don't even think we did that.

Yes we did, did we?

I just remember not realizing it was Easter until like noon, and I was like, oh gosh, it's Easter, And I was trying to think back back to, like my favorite Easter is. Do you guys have any good Easter stories from when you were kids? The only one I can really think of for myself was we were on a family vacation and steamboat and my mom used to always hide baskets and she like still brought them to steamboat

All day.

Well, you know, it depends how hard you hit it. Oh my gosh.

My mom would hide them and we found them pretty quickly. We have to find your basket and then you can find the eggs. But you can't, oh, find the eggs until you get your basket.

We didn't have eggs though, It was just a basket for us. And then in the basket would be like all the goodies and stuff.

We would always do like the candy plastic eggs that had candy inside, and then she would hard boil them and we would do like dying them and stuff. And there's one year that we lost like three hard boiled eggs.

Just into the ether, into the ether, just gone forever.

We're like, once it starts smelling, we'll find them.

We used to paint eggs occasionally. I don't think that was like a tradition of ours, but like every so often we would do it and that was fun. I remember enjoying that quite a bit, but I don't I'm.

Excited to do that with our kids.

Yeah, well, I mean it's still a long ways away, because it doesn't sound like Dawson's even kind of at that stage yet, right, No, not really, I mean it's just we.

Anything we do with Dawson is truthfully for us right now, not for him.

Yeah.

I mean he finds enjoyment it. But I could give him a paper cup and he would find so much enjoyment for that for like five minutes and then move on to the other thing, like it's crazy. Ashley made him this on Easter morning. It was a waffle and she put bananas on it and made it. She made it look like a bunny. I don't know, we ate it, like she put all this hard work in. She took

It's like nice.

They enjoy it for like a second, he might if you're lucky, you'll get like a whoa, and then that's that. Then you're like okay, and then it was all worth it. That half a second whoa was totally worth it.

I'm excited for it. I feel like this Christmas, this past Christmas, I realized holidays are for kids, and I just feel like, like Christmas, you know, it was all about the kids, and it's less about being an adult on Christmas. And so I'm just excited to create these traditions and have these holidays with the kids.

Now. Like how you're talking to me like I have no idea what a holiday is?

Well, you were looking at me like you confused. So I was like, do I need to explain.

This to you? Well, I guess because this was the first holiday that we spent Christmas is what you're referring to with our two niece and nephew.

Yeah, because pre kids, it was like you drink, you play games, you stay up all night.

Gosh, and that's all I want to do still, But my brothers can't do that or yeah, and so.

I was like, okay, so Christmas is different now and we I'm just excited for the kids.

One brother's pretty good at staying up, but his baby's way younger than the other brother. Yeah, he's like, ah, the baby's six month old. It's fine, it can it can be alone for an hour. And then the other brother is like, crap, where's my baby? I gotta go Exactly wherever she is.

Yeah, she's running around like crazy.

But yeah, I could see your point. Holidays are for the kids, just like Saturdays are for the boys, and like tricks are for kids as well. Yes, that's absolutely right. Yeah, so Easter didn't celebrate anything, and I guess that's probably what our feature is going to look like for a while.

Well maybe in the fall, will have baby.

We were talking like start, we were talking to Kathy from Golden Bachelor. You want to tell uh what she said to her? You?

Yeah, she's She said, I'm gonna tell you what I just told your husband. Don't have kids until you can't breathe. And I was like, what does that mean? She was like just I don't know. She was like, just wait as long as you can to have kids. And I was like, I'm kind of ready now, you're not ready now, and like six months, I'll be ready six months.

Yeah, that's funny because before it was like three years and now it's down a six month.

It's getting closer and closer.

How many kids does she have?

Are you?

Maybe she has it?

Maybe one, she has kids, I would say two to three.

Well, I hope is she's telling you to wait until you can't breathe to have kids. She has personal experience.

Yeah that's true.

Yeah, I was like that, I've never heard that one before. But she's like, you're going to have them for the rest of your life, no rush, And I get that.

But she's she's an anomaly to me. She has so much energy, so much a person of her age. I feel like she dwarfs me in terms of energy. And she's like talking to me and then she'll go to Ben and she'll go to you, or she'll go to Rachel and she'll carry that same energy from one conversation to the next for the entire time that we're hanging out with her. And I'm looking I'm just exhausted watching her. And I can only hope to have that much energy when I'm in my sixties. So I mean, good for her.

Yeah, watching the show, you think it'd be the opposite. You think that she would have more energy, but she's like she's pretty calm.

Yeah. Have you got any of those golden bachelorettes out for your coffee shop?

Jared, No, A lot of them are probably still under contract. I like to go after the people who are not onto contract. Speaking of which, when do you guys want to come out?

Spring or summer?

We actually just got under contract yesterday, so we can't be out.

For a five years. I don't think congratulations, we're going to the East Coast. You got to get over your fear.

Yeah, bro, just come and then you'll work. I'm telling you, you'll come. You'll you'll go behind the counter. He will just some coffee. Yeah, dude, I'll be I'm not joking. I'm gonna I'm gonna put you on on like a Saturday. Would you rather bartender? Would you rather be a barista? I think I could do both, just clear out the shop of all your employees can do.

But what would you rather do?

Because I'll put you on like a Saturday day or I'll put you on a Friday night.

I think bartending would be safer because there's less hot drinks going around, and so I would be less likely to like hurt myself.

Yeah, you don't have to steam milk that's a possible. Here's here's my here's my proposal to you. I'll do this happily, but I have to we have to split the profit share for the day. However much money you make, I get half of it. I don't make them. Well, first of all, I make no money. So that's number one. I'll give you. I'll tip you out, I'll give you tips.

Now I want half of them. I don't want tips. I want half of the revenue.

I was gonna ask you, like, it's not profitable a jace.

Of course it is. It has to be. It is not profitable. Of course it's not. I can't, of course not.

It's more uh so like I have not made my initial investment back, which I knew I it would take a while, but it's hard because labor cost is so high, food cost is so high. It costs so much to

You know, well that's where dean people come in. You can fix these things, all.

These things for you, yet for free and not pay you obviously. Hey, sorry, I can't make your drink right now. I gotta go around and fix the refrigerator real quick. I'll give you an example, dude. It was so.

Our walk in started, it went down, and obviously the walking is very important. It has to hold temp and if it does the whole temp we need to get the food out immediately so it doesn't grow back here yet.

So it stopped holding temperature. Like shoot, I'm not gonna square shoot.

But then I called the service department that I said, you know, take and they were like, well, we probably won't be able to get there to till tomorrow. Like all right, so I have to get all this food out of there, and like I'm I'm putting it anywhere I can to make sure that's holding temperature in proper refrigerator, which takes all hours. And then the next day he comes literally I didn't even know, so it still wasn't

He's like, oh, you just needed a little oil in the back. I came. I came in earlier, put some oil in there, fixed it up a little bit. It's good to go. He was there.

I'm not joking. I don't know between putting the oil in ten minutes or so, ten to fifteen minutes, came back, checked in on it was in the store for ninety seconds. Left it was six hundred dollars.

Yeah, but that's how that goes. There's a little just like good God. There's the old adage. You don't pay me for the amount of time i'm working, You pay me for the knowledge that I have or like where to swing the hammer kind of thing.

Yeah, you should FaceTime d next time.

No, no, but fas.

Time you next time. There's an issue and you can fix it.

But you just lost over my super thing that I was saying again, Oh here we go. You don't pay me to swing the hammer. You pay me to nowhere to swing the hammer is essentially what it is. So like you pay them six hundred dollars because otherwise you would there's no way that you would have known that it needed a little bit of oil in the back.

You know, no, exactly exactly so, but anyway, my point being is that it's it's it's it's not profitable. What I mean, there are other aspects. I mean, obviously I want to make money off of it because I want to ensure that it continues growing or continues going. Excuse me, but I do love the sense of cam that has really built, and I love the relationship that like I have with the clientele and my employees as well. There

Can we open up a Colorado branch and we can call it Ja Lias. There we go because you named it after your mother in law? Right? Oh yeah, I was like, am I supposed to know who Jayla is? Yeah? That's Kaitlyn's mom's name. So we just keep the mother in law street going. Or I was gonna say Debbie's. Debbie's I think would maybe be a little more like of a classic name. Yeah, but then that's a little selfish of me.

Yeah, and generous is in uh Colorado, so you're not far So we can.

Get the beans right there, get the beans, the locally sourced under and beans. That's right. Yeah. Well, I mean, you know, props to you. You've been running this business for a while, so that's great. I think you've definitely done a lot better job than I could possibly imagine doing. So.

Uh, it's just a grind, man, It's just every day, you know, which I enjoy there.

I love working, like I love to work.

Just ask Ashley, like I need to work, I need to get my hands dirty. Uh but uh, yeah, it's a lot.

If you didn't have Audrey's what would you fill your days with?

You think, good question.

I don't know, honestly, I mean probably much more social

Do you ever miss La, Jared, Do I miss La? No?

There are If I could, I would say, be able to go in and out. But man, like the idea of flying cross country sounds awful.

But like living because you lived there for a while, so you don't ever miss living there, I guess is my question.

Yeah, I definitely don't miss living there. I mean, obviously I miss the weather a lot of times. I love the changing of the seasons. I like here the New England where and weather obviously is talked about so much, and it's probably like, oh, this guy has nothing else to talk about besides the weather, but obviously is a huge impact on our daily lives.

Yeah, but we are.

Entering peak season in New England, which I'm very excited about because seasonal depression is a very real thing. In January, February, March, it's just like me out of here. So I do miss that, like waking up in January and it's like fifty degrees outside and I walk low as.

I'm like, oh, this is nice.

But I mean, I just I always felt uneasy over there. I always felt I was waiting for like California to fall off into the ocean. Still am I still think about that.

I think about that.

All the time.

That video, No, that it's the what is it?

The oh the san andres falling.

Yes, should have broken off a while ago.

So well, they say it's definitely going to interrupt within the next fifty years, like it's just inevitable.

This is really just so so insignificant and so tangential. But I was playing golf there last month. We were standing on the tea box and all of a sudden, this tea box started shaking underneath our feet, and I at first I was like, someone's just playing loud music. And I was like, wait, no, I'm standing on ground.

Can we also, I know people say that this really is the greatest time to be alive, the idea that you're standing on a golf course in California, the earth shakes and then it stops, and then you're like, all right, let's just all right, I'm to how far are we to?

Sixty? Yeahct no exactly. It was so it was so surreal because it was just like just such a non thing, you know.

But dude, and it's just like crazy to think about. Ashley and I were looking up life expectancy the other day, and in nineteen fifty, the life expectancy for a male was like sixty four. Yeah, and that's not long ago.

No, you know, I do think there's a weird thing with life's expectancye how it's it's kind of going down a little bit, like it was higher ten years ago than it is now. Something strange, But abut it. Yes, I do agree. It's so much better to be alive now than in the fifty It's the best time to be alive than any other peer previous time in his It's not because because of healthcare and all that stuff.

I can't remember, you know why. I don't think it's strange. It's because I truly believe that these things are killing us. Oh yeah, but yeah, also, I can't live without it. So it's like if it takes off, Like I'll ask a question for you guys. If you know that this thing your phone is going to take is taking two years off your life, Oh so you could live just too wo so like you would have lived till eighty two, but now you're gonna die at eighty but you get to have your phone.

I try to cut back a little bit and give myself a year back.

I think the quality of life that you have near the end isn't as as great and full as it is in your thirties and forties and fifties eighty two. Yes, but I guarantee you he was much cooler and more energetic at thirty two, you know. And if the phone allows you to network and connect with people, that enhances your life to a certain degree. You're going to get more out of two extra years in your thirties than you would in your eighties. So I'm pro phone, even if it gives me cancer.

But yeah, I mean, cancer is just crazy, man. But anyway, Yeah, it is interesting to see the life expected. He's going down a little bit, but it's still high. I mean for a male, it's mid seventies, women high seventies.

I do have a I always say to people, and Kilen always kind of rolls her eyes at me, that I think I'm going to be I'm going to live to be one hundred and forty. I think generally, generally, you know, give or take ten years.

He says that, and then he also says he might die before he's forty.

If I die before I'm forty, it'll be through like, you know, some sort of cool, crazy accident that everyone's going to like talk about forever and ever, because if that's how awesome it's going to be, hopefully, or if I just if I die by natural causes, I'm living to at least one hundred and thirty years old. I know.

I always told Ashley I was like I even before we were together, I was like, I feel like I'm gonna die relatively young, which is a horrible thought to have, but I've always been like I dust, I don't know, I feel like relatively young, quote unquote, like if I make it to my sixties, is that young?

Yes? Well, yeah, I just judgement by what we just said. You just said if someone dies before the seventy you're like, that's a little young. I mean I hope not. I hope I live to one hundred and twenty. Yeah, we'll see different. With kids, I feel like you have like more of a reason they want to live longer. But what how old do you think you're gonna be when you die by natural causes?

Ninety two?

Wow? That's old? Wow? Good for you. You You think very highly of your I'm very healthy, yes, but you always hear these stories like you are healthy, you do take care of yourself, You watch what you eat, and you make sure you eat healthy stuff. I don't, and I still feel like I'm going to double your life.

Express No, I disagree. Also, my grandpa super healthy, did yoga for years, did hot yoga for years, like was very active, and he's doing great. Yes, and I feel like I'm in the same trajectory as him.

That's fair. And I've never had an adult in my family make it past seventy, so I guess the odds are stacked against me.

No, you'll be the first. But maybe just like cut back on the poloni and the hot Cheetos and the spaghettios and the.

Hot pockets every time I do, every time I eat the like ray a lot ment of food that I eat, and I go get like a blood test done. They're always like, you're the healthiest guy we've ever seen.

When's the last time you got a blood test? Like ten years ago?

That was about after I broke my leg, so maybe four or five years ago, four years ago. But yes, I do. I could eat healthier, I suppose, but I've gotten way with it for this long. Might as well just keep it going.

I mean, now you're older, your metabolism is slowing down, and you just like your body can't keep up.

Wow, you call me fat.

No, I'm not calling you fat. I'm saying, like health wise, you can eat this junk when you're young, but now it's like it's not good for you.

Okay, fine, fine, I'll start eating lettuce with my bilooney sandwich or but yeah, no, it's got to be different for you, Jared, because now that you have Dawson and the second one on the way, it's like you kind of you know, if I die at forty, I would feel so bad for Kail and having to be heartbroken and a widower. But with a kid, I feel like it just kind of complicates things even further.

Well as a yeah, as a parent, I mean, the most the most important thing is I want to be there, you know, I want to make sure that he's taken care of. If I want to teach him life lessons, I want to be there to ensure that he can hopefully, you know, achieve the most he's able to achieve and just and be happy.

You know.

I was thinking about that the other day. I think the most important thing, like my biggest job with Dawson, other than getting him prepared for the world, is I just want him to be happy. You know, I think, man, life is hard, but that's okay. Life is meant to be hard. Like the idea that we're actually breathing and living is a pretty spectacular thing to think about in general.

To be happy.

That's all I really care about. And that's why I want to be here, is because I want to bring him happiness. It's hard as a parent right now because I'm also so aware that he's just I don't know. I know people will probably disagree with me. I guess

No? I see your point too, because it's like, if you look back at your childhood, you don't really start remembering things until you're like three or four or five, or however old you are.

I don't know, and even that's so young to talk about your earliest memories like mine. Maybe I'm just not I don't have a good memory, but like I think of elementary school as some of my earliest memories, and I'm like second and third grade and I'm like, damn, I was like five or six or seven at that point, and that's the earliest I can remember.

It's kind of while I'm like, if we have a baby, let's just give him to someone for five years, and then once he starts getting to the point where you remember stuff, then we take him back and then we start like doing just you know.

No, these are the most formative years. They're like little sponges.

Yeah, well that's what that's what Jared is saying. It's like, you you do believe that I mean, I'm sure you do believe that, Jared, but it's like hard, how much of a sponge are they really? And like what exactly are they absorbing everything? Oh?

My first memory is as from two years old?

Oh yeah, yeah, and what's the memory?

Oh I hadn't tophalitis, so I was paralyzed, So it was more trauma memory. Yeah, more trauma than anything. But that's my realliest memory. And then I started remember remembering things after that.

Are other pictures of you as a paralyzed two year old?

No, I was in the hospital for a while.

Yeah, and what's the memory? Just sitting there in the bed.

I woke up and I couldn't move my body and I yelled for my mom. Yeah.

I think it's also different for men and women, and I know that's playing gender roles something we shouldn't be doing. But just from my experience with Ashley and Dawson, I think I and again maybe it's just like the man in me, Like I want to provide for Dawson. I want to, you know, be there for him and teach him lessons and of course like make sure he's happy.

I don't know.

Yeah, I think all of that leads to their personality, leads to how they'll be a friend a partner. Like starts starts right when they get them out of the womb.

Yeah, I guess, so so hard to say. I mean, there's probably some research done on it, but who knows for sure?

I think I think it's pretty No.

I just watched or I just read this thing yesterday about how Nicholas Cage says that his early memory is being in the womb. What Yeah, no.

Way, that's such bullshoun believe that man for one second if he said that, I.

Don't believe m either, But the fact that he's saying it, like, you know, maybe there's something something that.

No way, no chance, no chance. But they're also like we do remember it in like physical terms, like fetal position is comforting for us because we were in it that position for so long, right, right, right, So maybe we don't have memories from being in the womb, but our body remembers.

It, you know. Yeah, no, that makes sense.

Yeah, it is scientifically impossible to remember events before your brain is sufficiently developed to hold onto such memories.

When does it sufficient? This is a big.

Ass article, But memories are weird too. I read a whole book on memories, and it's hard to decipher what is a memory and what was told to you.

Right. That's why I was asking if you had any pictures of you in the hospital, because a lot of times too, we'll see like polaroids of our childhood and we'll just know that we'll remember the polaroid more than we'd remember the moment, and so we like register that picture as a memory. Like when I was a kid, we lived in a bus for three years. I don't really remember much. I do kind of remember some things,

It's great. It's crazy how they can be manipulated so easily too. It's kind of scary our memories.

Oh, the memories. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Kind of the point I guess is like who knows what's real and what's not real with memories. Your brain's a weird thing. It can make stuff up, and it can make you believe things that aren't necessarily true.

But the way that you're raised defines how you'll be as an adult and how you'll be as a teenager and stuff. And it's like you can tell someone that they had a great childhood and or a terrible childhood, but they still remember it in a way that they're going to it's going to define their personality you know.

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I meant to say this earlier too, when we were

I feel like gen Z is like craving how we grew up, you know.

And it's funny because I feel like we were craving how the eighties and the nineties grew up. Like we didn't get the Beatles or the Rolling Stones or anything like that, like the huge, huge bands. We had a couple big ones, but nothing like as big as those bands. Yeah, I don't know.

Well, with the exception of Taylor obviously, I think she's the one exceptionion beyond, but yeah, and Beyonce, I think I just I think Taylor and Beyonce is an icon and she's incredible and one of the most powerful people in the world. I just think what Taylor has done over the past two years has put her on a level that I don't think I've.

Ever seen in my lifetime.

Yeah, she is just so I mean, I've never I just I can't believe how popular she is.

I also think that Taylor has had so much bad PR that Beyonce hasn't necessarily had to deal with in the same way, like starting with the VMAs and Kanye, and I think Taylor has used that bad PR to our advantage and has made her more popular.

I guess I just hate that our generation is being defined by Taylor Swift versus like the our parents' generation defined by the Beatles and like these actual I'm not saying Taylor Shift isn't talented. She is, absolutely, but it just it doesn't seem like, it doesn't seem like Taylor Swift is on the same plane as someone like the as a group like the Beatles. And maybe it's only because she's still in the middle of her career and

So maybe it's just like a selfish you don't get to decide.

That's what I'm saying. Maybe it's a bit selfish of me to want that, but that's just kind of where I'm at right now. Like, I don't know, I'm not even a big fan of the Beatles honestly too. Like I've tried listening to all their albums and I'm like, they're but I don't really see the appeal so much. So I guess I probably would be saying the same thing about the Beatles if this was the nineties, you know, or the eighties or whatever. I would probably still be grumping about it a little bit. Yeah.

I also think the crazed fan base was like the only way to see them is like to go and physically see them and stock them. Now we have access to Taylor and any celebrity we want with social media, you know.

And I also think the pool was just smaller as technology has grown and we've become more connected than ever. I don't think it's even really that possible. That's why I think Taylor is kind of an anomaly. The idea that she's been able to do, which she's done in this day and age where there is so many artists and there are so many songs to get your hands on. I mean, before the only way to listen to music was on the radio or you had to actually go

Yeah, it's like spreading us. It's spreading us way more thin than they were back then.

I guess, dude, even think of Taylor Swift, like you think of Taylor or Beyonce. I mean, like Beyonce right would be considered an icon today, I would think. So, I mean, when did she hit the scene mid nineties, We're talking thirty years ago, Like Taylor Swift even she started really hitting the scene in the late two thousands, so you're talking about fifteen years ago. So like the most iconic musicians of today still were. You know, they came out fifteen twenty years ago. So it's like, what

Zach Bryan, Jelly Roll, Olivia Rodrigoz, Olivia.

Rodrigo, Tate McCrae. I just looked at that. Beyonce is only forty two years old. I thought she was older than that.

For some reason, Beyonce's forty two, thirty eight or something.

Dude, I thought she was like, yeah, close.

To fifty forty two. She looks so good, I thought.

I guess the reason I think that is because jay Z is fifty four, and I thought they were closer in age. So jay Z is twelve years older than Beyonce. But do you think who's bigger, Taylor Swift or Beyonce Jared. I don't think it's a competition, Taylor, I don't. I just think I think if you would have asked me two years ago, it'd have been like, that's tough. But I just think what it's kind of like I compare because obviously, you know, Taylor is such a topic conversation.

Was like, oh wow, he is the greatest of all time. And I think that Taylor is in that run right now, where like this Error's Tour, like what happened last year with that Errors Tour is just like, dude, like did who even knew Beyonce was on tour the same time? You know, like I'm sorry, but like it was just like it was Taylor, Taylor, Taylor and Beyonce is huge

I just looked up a couple of comparative stats here, So Taylor Swift has won what is it, four albums of the year, which is the most all time. But Beyonce has won thirty two Grammys overall, which is the most of all time. That's pretty good.

But I think they were going to the same arenas, the same show during their tour, Like, I think it's pretty equivalent.

But then Swift has a total of seventy five million albums sold, but Beyonce only has a tour of forty two million albums sold, So by that metric, Swift is almost double.

But also I don't know if that's counting, Like, Taylor re recorded all of her albums, so are you counting that a second time.

I'm not counting anything. I'm just reading.

I'm just wondering, you know, the stats, Like I'm wondering.

Yeah, yeah, And I totally like stats are a huge factor in this argument, obviously, you know, but I think I'm arguing for stats and also the influence that this person has over the population and in the pop culture sense. And it's just like I just think Taylor has tapped into something that I mean, I haven't really seen.

It's interesting since like Michael Jackson. Yeah, so I just looked up the top selling artists of all time. They're not even on the list either of them, but one one performer is that's still performing now. Top ten are Beatles, Michael Jackson, Elvis Presley, Elton John, Queen, Madonna, led Zeppelin, and then Rihanna at nine Wow, and then Pink Floyd at ten. Rihanna, Yeah, which I wouldn't have suspected either, but maybe because she's kind of stepped away a little bit recently.

Well you do you think of Taylor and Beyonce as number one in one or one and two however you want to define it, And I think if Rihanna is like in the tens, yeah.

She's top ten overall, triple what Pink Floyd has sold in terms of certified units, I don't know what that is, but yeah, very interesting. Rihanna is the only person on this list to have released an album. Her first release was inn O five and everyone else has released the near next closest one was nineteen eighty three. So she's I mean by that metric, she's damn over everything.

Man.

We got to get Rihanna in on this conversation, obviously. Have you guys ever made a playlist for a significant other or like for you know, someone that you had a crush on Oh yeah.

I feel like I remember doing little CDs like burning CDs. Yeah, but I don't know if I ever gave it to anyone and just did it for myself.

You love yourself, that's why. Yes, yes I did once.

I definitely name drop songs. I don't know if I've made a playlist, but like I definitely have been, like you know, you know, this song is just really impactful for me.

Listen to this song on repeat.

That's so crazy that the kids will never know. They'll just make playlists on Spotify. They'll never know. Burning CDs, yeah, and how intimate it.

Was, How intimate it was, And then you get the dvdrws that you can rewrite over, so you like have one CD even though it was like thirty bucks, you could like rewrite it with a bunch of different songs whenever you wanted. Do you remember that? No? No, because you know you burn a CD, it's burned forever and that's just the CD. Now.

Maybe I did have those because I think I would keep burning over them.

Yeah, So dvdrws were the expensive ones that you could reburn and then you put it in your walkman and it skips or like you get sick of a song, so you have to skip it every time it comes up. Yeah, good days, Good days.

It's crazy too that we had iPods and like you only had what music you put on it.

Right, did you guys have like the visor on your car with the sleeve or like this CD sleeve on your car visor or the console.

I had the console with all of the cases.

Oh yeah, I remember we when I was a kid, we had like we would listen to music at dinner. We would like put anya on her you know, some sort of like dinner non lyrical music. And we had this nice big stereo system that had like a CD changer in it, and that was like the revolutionary technology at the time, so you could put like thirty CDs in it and then just pick whichever CD you wanted to play from the same player. The guys are rich, Yeah,

Ah, why don't know what the definition of lower middle classes? I mean we had my dad worked. My mom did not.

I mean she would waitress every once in a while. But and then my dad, you.

Know, he's he was a I mean, I don't want to say just a prison guard, like he was a captain of the ACI. But yeah, I mean we My house's modest house I grew up in with four people, which is insanity. My poor parents. I don't know, like a thousand square feet I guess maybe a little less, so that's tiny.

Yeah, so i'd say middle class to lower middle class, right, and so now you and Ashley owner position where you're upper middle class. I would say to give that to Dawson. It's a pretty cool experience. My brother is kind of the same way. You know, his upbringing was middle class to lower middle class, with spurts of some money throughout, but not significant. And now him and his wife are doing really well. So he's like, I can't wait to give my daughter everything that I wasn't able to have

I also don't want I want him to know the value in.

Earning your money That's the tough thing about it too. It's like, how do you instill that? Because you want to give them everything that they ever asked for, but at the same time, you want to instill good values and work ethic.

I guess yeah, I mean, I don't get me wrong, we already actually, and I have many conversations about, you know, his college fund or safety net or insurance money or things of that nature to make sure that Dawson is fine. But yeah, I I you know, there's there's a there's a big part of me that really wants him to you know, I'm just I'm such a guy, like I want him to.

Earn his weight through this world. You know, if his hands aren't callous by the time he's entering elementary school, you're blowing it. Hey, right, if Ashley started smoking cigarettes, what would your reaction be. I mean, I wouldn't like it, Okay, Yeah, I would tell her to stop.

What if she had of her mind? What if she didn't stop? I would not want to be with someone who smoked all the time. Are you talking about like smoking a packa day or like.

One packa day? Wow?

Why why are you bringing this up? Are you are you smoking now, No, no, no, I'm not.

I did say randomly, like a month ago, I was like, I kind of want to get into smoking cigarettes, and like not serious, but I was just like, yeah, i'd be cool, happy to get into. Obviously would never do it. But Caylen and I were at dinner with a bunch of friends the other night, you know, we were all, you know, a little drunk, I guess, and I was like, the subject of smoking cigarettes came up, and I was like, killing, if you started smoking cigarettes, I think I'd probably ask for a divorce.

I never would. And also he for him to bring up two weeks ago and say I think I want to start smoking cigarettes. But I know deed and I know how to react with him, so I just didn't respond.

Yeah, I think I was just looking for a reaction.

Yeah.

But then I woke up the next day I killed him. The next day. I was like, do you remember talking about getting divorced me last night? I was like, no, what are you talking about? And she's like, yeah, you said if I started smoking cigarettes, he divorced me. I was like, oh, that's different. I stand by that.

Yeah, yeah, I mean I can tell that's charlest me man My dad smoked when I was a kid, and like, you walk into a room and it's.

Like, oh, yeah, he's just didn't headache.

You're get in his car or something, and it just has that smell. My dad smoked cigarettes when I was a kid too. He would uh he. So I asked my mom about it, and I was like, Mom, what's dad doing. She's like, Oh, he's smoking a cigarette. If you ever see him smoking a cigarette, you're allowed punch him as hard as you can. And so until I was like a teenager, I would walk up to my dad, see him smoking a cigarette, just give him the biggest dead arm I possibly could.

And he was fine.

He was like, Oh, I guess if that's what it takes to let me keep smoking cigarette. Right. I always thought that was kind of funny, But I guess that's probably gonna do it for this week's episode. Right, unless there's anything else you guys want to touch on, we hit it all talking about memory. I don't even remember what we talked about today, so hopefully you guys enjoyed it.

Pop culture, Easter, memories.

Cigarettes, cigarettes, all good things. Alrighty, you guys, that's gonna do it for this week's episode of Suckers Jared Klin love you be shooted to you in next week, where maybe we suck just a little bit less