Baecations with Dax Holt

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of people might remember you from your TMZ days. You were a producer and also an our on air personality. Yea twelve years. It was a little bit, just a little blip in my just a little one. But people also have seen you on Access Hollywood, which is Access Live now atually. You know, I don't know why they dropped the Hollywood part of it, but Access, Yeah, just Access now. I because I was on Access a couple of weeks ago doing a Bachelor recap and I said

Access Hollywood and they shun. You know, I said it to my fiance Ashley. She's like, it's Access and I was like, oh, I I guess I never noticed the Hollywood drop off. I've actually ran into actually quite a few times there. Okay, we we we talked in the green room. We talked all about you, behind your bad all bad things. I just don't believe a word she has to say about me. So, Dax, tell us a little bit about yourself. I know, I you know, gave a little intro, but give us a little bit more

in detail about you and and your background. Yes, so you know. Obviously I was at TMZ for twelve years and then I decided I just needed to change in my life. I had been there. It had been a great ride. I was there from like literally day one before anyone even knew what the hell TMZ was too, the rise of TMZ and breaking some of the biggest stories in Hollywood, and then I just like, I need to change in my life, and so left there. Then I did the Live with Kelly competition, Remember that. Yeah,

that was it was fun. It was just so different from the TMZ world to then go, you know, to this huge ABC show and they have got an audience, and so that was really fun. Came in second place there, and then some unknown guy named Ryan Seacrest got the gig. Who is that guy, How did he beat you out? Uh? No, I I love Ryan, So I'm very very happy for Ryan. Is is really good at his job, so good. I was just thinking about him before coming on. How does

he have time to record all this stuff? And then he also has like a segmentment of Montreal and on Virgin Radio. How does he have time in the day? Is he in a relationship? Yes? Here's the thing that I don't think people realize how like how much this guy works. Is he's literally filming the Live with Kelly show, Live with Ryan and Kelly, and then he'll get on a plane and fly back and do American Idol, then fly back over there. It's it's unbelievable. He's the hardest

working person in entertainment. And he does radio with Tanya in the morning, I mean Mark and he seen you guys are here for that. So he does morning radio, He does Live with Kelly, He flies to American Issle, he does all these different events. I would say, so long story short, you finishing second to him? That's pretty I'm okay with that. I'm sorry. So it's so continued anyway, So then uh, I decided that I wanted to start

up my own thing. Really, it came down to I have a lot of experience and breaking news over many, many years, and I had a lot of contacts still hitting me up with information and stories and all this, and so I created the Hollywood Pipeline. It's Hollywood Pipeline dot Com, along with a podcast. And I explained it to people is I'm not trying to beat TMZ. That's not what I'm trying to do. I I see it as TMZ and Instagram had a little baby, and that is what the tipe is. So it's all visual content.

It's photos, it's videos. We've actually covered you guys quite a few times. Well I appreciate that, thank you. Um and and it's just a place for people to go to get lost and and look through paparazzi photos or red carpets or whatever. I mean. Like the other day I put up an exclusive set of Selena Gomez on the beach down in Mexico, and people look, exactly are we had this exclusive? And then um, yeah, I do

a lot of set photos. So like a big, you know, Marvel movie is coming out, I'll normally release photos of them shooting the movie, which people go insane about. I am one of those people that go insane for set photos. I've googled Avengers Endgames set photos to just see and I've seen some with Captain America and Robert down to Jr. Making it look like they were going back to the two dozen twelve Avengers possible time travel. Anyway, I'm one

of those people. So you're I'm your speaking to you exactly. And then like we got a lot of traffic off the Joker film set we were filming, Like when Joaquin Phoenix was out there filming all this stuff in New York, people were going nuts over it. Just like millions of views on YouTube to watch him running through the streets. I've watched that video numerous times. Was was it the one? Who are he trips over himself? I had like nineteen videos,

I mean, but they're the tripping one in the Crane station. Yeah, if you want to see him, if you haven't seen him yet, it's on the Hollywood Pipelines YouTube page. Well, the Joker is such a fascinating character, which is why we'll keep doing what you're doing because you're killing the game. So how did you get involved in TMZ in the first place? Did you go to school for journalism and then so I, yeah, I went to school for radio TV Film down at cal State Fullerton, and then I

just I had to do an internship. So I ended up working with Extra the other entertainment show and TMZ and Extra sister companies. And Harvey was working upstairs and it was he was creating this unknown website at the time, and walked in, put out my hands, said hey, I hear that you're looking for for people or you need interns or whatever, and is there anything I can do for you? And he sent me out on the red carpet literally that weekend. I do remember what red carpet

it was. It was a peta event. It was a pet event. Um where was that at? I think it was at Paramount Studios. And I went and I was on crutches at the time because I had busted both of my ankles doing a gymnastics trick and literally popped out both of them. So I was double like cast it up on crutches, gimp down to this red carpet and and everyone started to come up and talk to me.

I don't know if they felt bad for me or what the case was, but Pam Anderson talked to me, and I was at the very very end, and you guys know doing like red carpets want, you get halfway down, you kind of get over right and you kind of like, I don't really care about these people, and you move on a lot of it's the same questions. It's it's more of the same. So these poor people that are at the end of the carpet, they get no one, they get no love. I am at the very end,

and it's literally like Pink comes over to me. Kristin Cavalarry, who was the biggest deal at that time, because I was right when like Laguna Beach was massive. She comes over, Dennis Rodman and I just sat there and everyone started talking to me. And I come back and Harvey's like, well, I think I need you a part of my team. And I literally handed in my resume that day and you ripped it up and throw it in the trash. You didn't even look at it, and you on the spot.

I feel like that's such a testament to people who wanna People are so afraid of being rejected. But you just went in there, You shook his hand and you asked him, you know, like do you need someone period. You're even offering to do it for free to be an intern. So I think that's just a testament, like just be afraid of failure because you never know where how you'll get ahead. And I feel like you have

such a great or about you. You're always smiling, um, so like you attract I guess that's what people were attracted to. You have such a great energy about you. But since you so, since you worked on TMZ, you have Hollywood pipeline now, um, and you know, I know how Jared wants to talk about the oscars and stuff. So I was actually thinking Julia Roberts a huge fan of hers. I'm obsessed. She's beautiful and you never ever see her being photographed with her husband because sometimes I

forget that she's actually married to someone. And so I was thinking of since this is a relationship podcast, and a lot of our followers do have Instagram, and they do follow us on Instagram, and they look up to couple who are out in the media or in the spotlight, So hashtag couple girls, people like Christy Teagan and John Legend who are like fully out there um exposing their relationship.

Blake Lively Reynolds, uh Ryan Reynolds. But any have people like Julia Robinson and her husband, You never hear any of their stories that are happening, uh in their personal uh marriage. What would you give? What kind of advice would you give to our listeners who are in a committed relationship, um and want to expose a relationship on social media? Well, my advice to that, yeah, like you know, like what to share it? Yeah, just click the share

button and it's past. You're fine. I think you know what Julia Roberts, She's just been a very private person her you know, she's been such a big star that I think that she guards her relationship and her children's privacy and all of that. So that's why, you know, you can be a big star in Hollywood and never get photographed. And that's you just you don't go to the Craigs restaurants of l A. And you don't go to these places. But I mean, Craigs is so good.

Have you ever tried their chuffle pizza? I haven't been there, but I've heard it's amazing. But it's it's she avoids going out where she knows paparazzi you're gonna take her photo and she doesn't have social media, and she so there's she's picked a different life. For people that actually want that attention or want to express that they are with someone and that they they like saying I'm with so and so, I say, share as much as you want, you know, to put it out there for the people.

And at the end of the day, what's the worst gonna happen? You break up and you got to delete the photos. But at least during that moment, people saw how happy you were. Right, yeah, Well, I think it's people just put their best self forward on social media. And so for me, I want to make sure I'm

in a relationship now, and I'm trying. I'm like, I'll post a picture now and here and there, but I'm not over the top posting pictures of our relationship because I feel like it's so import tend to have to preserve that part of your relationship signific Another. You also went from a very high profile relationship where you had that you didn't have to post anything because everyone knew

your relationship. So I think maybe you're looking at it now is like I've gone through a super high profile relationship and how do I change that and do something A little different because maybe this would work better for me. Yeah. Well, I think it's also the expectation that we put out there on social media. All these amazing vacations that we do with our significant other, all these amazing dates that we go on with our significant other, And that's what

people now have expectations. Things like even The Bachelor, like all these elaborate dates and stuff that we went on, Jared, you went on. Like, I feel like there's there's a little bit of an unrealistic expectation when it comes to the dating world with social media. You're absolutely right, but people have to take accountability for that on themselves in terms of the expectations they have from relationships, because no one's going to post a bad picture of themselves or

a bad time in their relationship on Stagram. Everything is gonna be uh fluffed, Everything is gonna be seventh Heaven cloud nine. Same thing with The Bachelor, you know. So, I think people with social media or even television shows about dating, you have to take it with a little bit of a grain of salt, because of course it's not always going to be that good. Just like I feel like everybody who posts on Facebook, who's who's not a celebrity. They're not going to post a picture of

them their significant other in them in a fight. Yeah, you don't see people updating their Facebook posts like oh so and so just cheated on me, so we broke up, Like, you don't see that post other than it's the Kardashian I mean the Kardashians. I kind of I respect that though, respect how open all their entire life is. I respect the hell out of the Kardashians. I listen, they are

the smartest people out there. And I I've said this for so many years, like Kim Kardashian, Chris Jenner, Jenner is a smart genius to be able to work the media and work the fan base, all of that in your favor all the time. It's unbelievable. And the idea that they've been able to overcome so much because they've gotten so much flak for people saying, well, what, what's there even talent? What are they famous for? And they just keep overcoming it, overcoming it and overcoming it. Famous

for being famous for a long period of time. Absolutely, it's the hardest thing because usually it's just fifteen minutes of fame. Yeah, and what other family out there has had so many like pivotal moments like for you know, Bruce's transition into Caitlin. You couldn't have scripted that out, or lamar Odom's storyline, Ristin Thompson and Tristan and Jordan, like all these things that I can't imagine having so much drama in my close knit family. And they've had

it all, they really have had it all. Well, good for them, but we're not just here to talk about the credit Issuan Sax. You also talk about taking vacations with significant others because as said, we are dating podcast, so you have something called baya bacaca well as what a bacation? Yeah, so you know, uh, I think that Listen, this is kind of why I wanted to come onto this podcast because I think it's important for a lot of couples out there that don't really know where they're

going with the relationship. They're they're interested in someone, but they're like, is this going to be for the long haul? And I've actually I teamed up with Visit Anaheim and because I'm from Anaheim, and basically we started talking about it and they did this big study where they pulled two thousand people just to find out, like that first trip that you go on with your significant other, is it? Is it a positive thing, is a nig thing? What is it? And come to find out like it really

tells a lot about your relationship. I don't know if you remember the first trip that well, I guess you're gonnaps are a little different when they're being filmed in

front of a national audience. But like someone off the show, you go on a trip, and the results of the study were actually predicting significant like most people were saying, I knew that I was with the right person when we were halfway through that trip and we were away from everyone and it was just us too in a different environment, and it was like that was the moment and I knew I was supposed to be with that person.

And you know, I keep telling people, you know, Anaheim offers a lot that's I go back to it because it's there. But you've got so much like Disneyland and you've got the Great Wolf Lodge down there, not very farm And I try to tell people, like, do a trip with your significant other, get away, go hang out at an amusement park for today a day, because it's not you're not cramped up in a movie theater, kind

of not talking in the darkness. You're actually standing in line, you're talking to each other, you're communicating, you're going through a hotel, you're going through flights, and you're really seeing what it's like to be with that person. An amusement park trip could really make or break earlier. Absolutely hits. I've been to Universal State Is in Disneyland, uh with significant others, and it's it's because there's its tension filled you're waiting in line. It's not there are crowds, you

have anxiety. Uh, it's just it's so interesting to think about one day to the amusement park, and in my mind it is one of those moments where you do learn a lot about their your your significant other. But I also agree, I think that's one thing about The Bachelor and Bachelor I and Pachelor in Paradise in particular, that does legitimize relationship moving faster because it does feel like you're traveling with somebody when you go on those shows.

It does if you're traveling with them and they're fourteen other boyfriend. True, Yes, I don't think you're traveling with your the lead at all. Oh so you're steping. You're skipping all the fun stuffs. You're skipping waiting in line at security, at at the airport, you're skipping, sitting next to each other on an airplane. You're skipping, like splitting a meal and who's gonna pay? You know, like you're skipping all the fun steps to really get to know

a person. Let me rephrase, then Bachelor in Paradise is like that because then you're actually leaving the compound with the person, you're traveling out and then you're coming back to the island. But it is very secluded, and it is it does. It has this bonding to it that is is very different than anything I've experienced outside of the Bachelor bubble. I've never I never went to camp

as a kid. I didn't do any of that at so I can only really relate it to people who have done those kinds of things, go to camp, because it is like this little get away that only you guys really know what that experience was like. And I think that's what vacation is all about. I mean, listen, they termed to vacation, but you know, I like it essentially just a vacation, and I'm always I'm always a guy for a good punch, and I gotta tell you out of the results, people said they fell in love

after their first vacation. We're like, it didn't work because, like you said, it is the sitting in line. It's the stuff that's going to his you off and realize you don't want to be with that person because they're annoying. Yeah. Right, It's like the stuff that you find so cute at the beginning when you go on vacation with them and you're spending like three complete or four complete full days a day and they're like, oh, this is not as cute as I once thought it was. I remember the

first trip I went with my now boyfriend. We went to New York City, and my biggest thing is budget, Like I don't like spending money. Um, I don't care or where I am. I can be hanging out in a hole in the wall, but I'm with people. If I'm with people I love, then it's going to be an amazing trip. And he was exactly like that too, so I'm like perfect. We ended up like splitting the airbnb. Taylor ended up coming with the guy that she was dating,

so we all split it up. In four and then he's someone I need to be with, someone that takes the lead in booking a reservation for a restaurant, and I suck at that, Like, I'm not good at that at all, So I need help boervations. I'm not good at that. I'm like great at other things, but that's one thing. I'm like, if you're good at knowing which restaurants to go to and what places we should go visit, book that and I'll just go along with the ride. So for us, I want to ask you because being

a female, what would you say? So if you had a couple come up to you and say, I like this idea of going away doing a trip, what do we do? Does he have to pay for it? Or do they split it? Split? Yeah? Yeah, I'm just asking. I'm curious because hold on, how long have they've been together? Oh? You're asking me. I don't know a hypothetical couple. So how long has this couple been I mean, if they're vacation and let's say they've been dating for six months,

I think splitting is fine. So you're saying if they've been together for a year or two years, then the man should pay No, I think they if they've been together for like a month, the man should pay. What Yeah, on a normal fashion like that. What it depends on how big the trip is, right, No, not the entire trip, but you know dinner, like if you guys go out to a really nice No. No No, no, I'm talking about literally a vacation, like you're flying somewhere. You're having to

play it for plane flights. Hell no, split it. Oh sorry I misinterpreted. Yeah, I was like, come on, Jared, what Oh, no way. I mean, unless you're talking about a married couple and it's a stay at home mom and you know the dad is the one where bank account. Yeah, of course that's different, so that would be I guess technically spinning as well. But no, if you're dating for like six months and you guys do it a vacation, you've got to split it, right, unless it's you know,

Christmas gift or a big gift. Unless it's a it's like a surprise vacation. Then yeah, if it's a surprise vacation, I'm and I'm the one that's booking it, I'll be

totally fine paying for for both of us. But I don't like setting I'm someone who's so independent when it comes to my finances, and I don't want I never wanted to be someone that got used to a certain type of lifestyle if I was dating someone who did have a lot of money, because I'm like, well, what if this relationship ends and I go back to like my penny saving, you know, lifestyle, and I want to be used. I want to be comfortable with the decisions

that I make, not someone else makes. Okay, that gives me a good question. Is it hard for you guys to do normal dates now after you've done the most most ravagant, crazy date. Not at all. No. I love the small date. Yeah, you know, like I could really use a helicopter the roof of a building right now. No, those are exhausting. Those are too much. But it's because cameras around, or just because it's it makes it more

exciting because the cameras are around. But if I were to go in a hellcap to write with just actually, it would be fun, it would be cool, but I would not want to do it all the time. That's like a once a year type thing, a big extravagant one, and then you know, we actually and I try to go out like at least once a month have date night, but most of the time stay in. We order in, watch a movie in pajamas. It's just the best. We are a couple of goals. I love it, oh Man,

But yeah, what about you, Vanessa? Uh No, I don't like extravagant dates. I someone I like surprises. I like small surprises, like, oh, I We're going out for dinner somewhere, and it'll be my favorite takeout restaurant. You know, I'll eat in the car. Like to me, little moments like that are more significant than puking on a What was that thing that I did? Would you puke? Oh? You

went you went into space or something? Yeah? The anti gravity. Yes. Um. Here's the thing about big dates, too expensive date, extravagant dates. It's truly about the environment. Because honestly, every time I go out to dinner and I pay for Ashley because I want to. It's a date night, I'm the guy

in the relationship. I'm paying, you know, And so we end up spending like for two people say, we spend like including tip ad fifty bucks because we go to a really nice place and both Ashley and it's not terrible, but both Ashley and I come up with the same consensus, which is, did we enjoy this meal as much as we would have had we ordered mcconn's, you know, because we love fast like just not not like, but you know what I mean. Like sometimes our favorite date night

is like going to Burger King. You know. I know that might sound stupid, but that like if I'm ordering a fifty dollar you know, fifty five dollar filet from this restaurant, that's really good, But do I enjoy it more than I would have if I ordered a big Mac? I don't know. I can't tell you that. I can tell you one of my favorite dates that goes down in history with me and my wife would be I took her on a date, a surprise date, to Chuck E Cheese and it was just the two of us

and it was so fun. I just thought, like, here's a loaded card full of tons of money, go and let's just play games. And it was so different and there's kids running around everywhere, but it was it wasn't a typical meal out of Morton Steakhouse. It was us just having fun together. That's my favorite type of date because I love going up, but I love the element of surprise doing something different. Now, Chuck E Cheese is

a dude. But you know, I think because we don't have Chucky cheese in Canada, you guys don't have to. I've been to boomers. It's kind of the same idea. Yeah, do you guys remember it was like discover Discover Zone. Anybody Discovery Zone. Discovery Zone sounds familiar, anybody. It was like the It was like the b version of Chuck E Cheese. Maybe maybe I shouldn't admit that that's where my parents took me as a kid. I love that. I love that you brought Uh wait, will you you

married at the time? Was that your wife or just there was my girlfriend at the time. Okay, but I love that idea of bringing your church chuck and cheese because I always trying to think of things that are outside our comfort zone. The problem is actually it doesn't like to do like play sports or anything. So I would I would be totally down, like let's go bowling, yeah, you know, and she's like, we you know, let's stay

in and watch you on Netflix or you know. So it's like, oh no, we should go to like the batting cages. But she she does a good job of of being there for me. She'll come to the bat and cages, she'll swing the bat, She'll have a good time. I've got I've got a cool date night. If you're interested. I'm always interested in In Anaheim, there is a place called the Packing House, and they've got a secret hidden

bar inside the packing House. You go and you have to like knock on the door that speak easy, Speak easy, and it's just like a hidden wall and it opens up and it's a door and they've got this bar in there, and it's all candlelit and it's romantic and it's really cool. It's called the Blind right. I love it. We've gone there a couple of times. What's it called again, the Blind Rabbit? The Blind Rabbit. I checked that out easter and I saw you shaking your head. Have you

been to the Blind Rabbit. I haven't been to Blind Rabbit, but I've been to the Packing House a number of times. I love that. You love it, right, It's so cool. It's a nice hidden gym just down the street from the Magic Kingdom. Yeah, of course it's right down the share. Is it near a cheesecake factory? By any chance? Eastern possibly the best cheesecake factory at the Anaheim Garden walks. Good God, Mark down there, No, No, I'm just a fan.

I think Eastern goes to Magic Kingdom once every two weeks, at least once a week. I gotta get that annual pass. I gotta make it worth it down there. Oh yeah, yeah, I Mark. Have you done any like, what's your biggest surprise date that you've done? You make surprise guy? Yeah. I tried to do a big surprise party for her for a birthday this year. I tried to do concerts

as a surprise. She it's it's a weird balance because she loves it and hates it at the same time, Like, I feel like I'm putting more effort into make me more special if I don't tell her what it is ahead of time, but she hates it that I'm not telling her what it to ahead of time, but then when we get there, she's delighted by it. So it's a line you're walking, But I'd like to give it a surprise. I like that, Vanessa. Have you ever planned a surprise date for a guy? Yes, and I'm trying to.

I think recently I just planned something. I have the worst memory I like planning things on random occasions, not like hey it's your birthday or hey it's Valentine's Day. I like a random day in the week. It makes it more romantic and special. He actually so, my boyfriend just surprised me one morning. We woke up and he's like, all right, get pack he told me, like, pack warm clothing.

I mean it's like minus twenty five and Montreal. He's like, packwarm clothing, bringing a pair of boots and get in the car. And he's like, we have a two hour drive, so you can follow a sleep if you want. Like, I have no idea where we're going. He brought me to this place in Montreal where it's an ice drink in the forest. So the entire path is like miles of just ice skating through the forest. And it was the most romantic ad. It was like kind of like

a bachelor date just like it was. There was lights, and you could stop at different shacks and have like a hot chocolate and a coffee and it was really beautiful. Your silver Fox knows what he's doing. I respect him. I appreciate that you actually planned dates to like I heard you say that in there, and I feel that a lot of women look at men like you should plan the date, but I like being surprised the other way around. There's girls out there listening like white a

date for your dude, because it's pretty often. Yeah, to give credit, Ashley has planning dates for me and they've been pretty incredible. Um, So before you go, I just said one question about this vacation. There's different percentages I don't know if you've seen this that we're um given out to Like, for example, factors for successful vacation. Uh, it says that picking the right destination somewhere both partners

are interested in that's six, that's super high. Well, these are basically for it to be a good vacation because there's a lot of things that can go wrong. So they're saying, if you pick a spot where you both are interested, there's a much better chance that this is going to turn out for you that making like you said, a budget so that you're going into it and one person is thinking you're staying at the four Seasons and the other person is like, no, I was thinking more

like Motel six. You've got to kind of be on the same page with with spending money. The other thing just good planning, so you know where you're going, and then you you've got to be able to compromise and that you're serious about each other. You don't want to just go because one person likes the other person more. So those are like the successful factors as for the top challenges. So they were overwhelmed by the stress of chanel of traveling. You said that, um, disagreeing on what

the activities are gonna be. And then we were talking before this about just backseat driving, like how bad it is if you're stuck with someone full time and backseat driving, how it kills you. Because my wife sometimes she'll she'd be like, you need speed up, you need drive fast, and I'm thinking you drive our kids around? Is Yeah, that's actually a good point. By the way, the kid of your video, the video, the video that you posted of your kid with the weed. Oh my daughter, Yes,

I didn't see it. You did, Okay. So there was a video that went around that went viral of a little redheaded girl saying that she told her teachers at school that her parents grow out of weed. You've seen that video? That was my daughter? Yeah, my daughter got somewhere like do you grow a lot of weed. She was referring to weeds. Okay, got you. But the video got like amazing how one little letter gets dropped off a word and it changes the meeting entire Like It's

got like two hundred million views. It's ridiculous. So that's my daughter. She's six cutest little snitch, I've everything, cutest little tattle tale this sun of um Well, Dax, thank you so much for coming in. Uh yeah, anything else you and drop where people can find you. I would say, if you want to plan a vacation, head to visit Anheim dot org. They'll help you plan a vacation, get your vacation on down there. And then if you're interested in sleb news, like I know a lot of people

are at the Hollywood Pipeline dot com. We're always breaking a lot of cool photos videos. Like you said, the set stuff has been huge for us, and just trying to make a name for myself in the entertainment in Yeah. Absolutely, Like you said, if TMZ and Instagram had a baby, the Hollow populine, Yes, so much coming in. Thanks guy. Alright, so we've talked about it countless times on this podcast. It's one of my top priorities. I know Jared and Vanessa feel the same way, and that is just creating

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I feel like I need to pronounce my words so perfectly. You think maybe I'll bless your heart with the telephone for all for all our audience out there. If you watch The Bachelor, which I'm sure you do, last night. Amy was on an episode of the Bachelor with Colton and it was Hannah Jee's hometown and Obama, Alabama, and Amy, you were an etiquette teacher and you were teaching Coulton some dinner etiquette before he went to Hannah Gee's house. Exactly how did that come about? Did they contact you?

Did you reach out? They contacted me. Apparently each girl gets to choose she'd like to do on her hometown date, and so Hannah requested a private etiquette lesson for she and Colton, and so the producers um emailed me the week before they came to Birmingham. So that's the rest is history and the rest of history. Ye. So, and I think I know that in the South we do things a little bit differently sometimes, and so I think

it was a sweet idea for Hannah. She wanted to, I think, sort of spotlight her Southern roots and some Southern hospitality, and she also wanted to help Coulton feel comfortable when he met his her family. Do you specialize in dinner etiquette or table etiquette, I should say, or is it just an overall etiquette of life. I do etiquette lessons and I usually do four parts and table manners is one of the things that we do one

of the weeks. What are the other three? So? Um, Well, I teach classes for late these and for gentlemen, and so in the gentleman classes we talk about chivalrists behaviors and um we also talk about developing our inner character qualities and having respect for other people and empathy and kindness. Um. What we talk about. We do focus heavily on table manners with ladies and gentlemen. Um. So you do etiquette pretty much of somebody's life, you know, character, personality, not

just table etiquette as well. Because it's funny when when I was watching last night, all I can think about was a scene from Pretty Woman where she's at the dinner table with all the very rich men that Richard Gears friends with and she doesn't know which is the salad fork. I don't know what fork is which and she like flings the oyster. I think it was her the meat ball and somebody else's dish. Yeah, let me um, let me tell you sort of in my opinion, what

I think. I sort of want to clear some things up. America's to having a hard time with the bread and the butter. Twitter is having a hard time. Everybody needs to come down just a little bit, and we're gonna we'll get to that. But I want to explain, UM, maybe I want to say what etiquette isn't I think that a lot of people think that etiquette is maybe a stuck up set of rule that UM caused some people to look down in judgment on other people. And

that is not what it is in my opinion. Etiquette has two parts, and the first part is how we present ourselves. And those are some of the things that we talked, Uh. I talked to Colton about things like your eye contact and your posture and your speech and your handsake, having a nice firm handshake, UM, in your table manners. But the second part of etiquette is, and it may even be more important than how we present ourselves. That's how we treat other people. And it's treating other

people with courtesy and respects and kindness. How do we treat somebody else if we have a difference of opinion, um, Because you can know which sport to use when you sit down, but if you can't treat other people with kindness, really none of the other stuff really matters. So UM, that's kind of an overview of how I view etiquette and how the limbs through with that teach by classes.

Are there different etiquettes for females and males? Um, there are several different several different things, Like some of the table manners are different, Um, some of the Now can you point some out different? Yeah? Let me let me. Let's pretend for at the table and let me give y'all maybe five little table manners nuggets that you can take away. Okay, all right? So the first I think is most importantly, let's talk about the buttering of the bread.

That is most important, really, right it really? I mean, honestly, it's the most important. So when you butter your bread, um, you want to tear off one bite and butter that one bite at a time. I think that's what got everybody all up in arms. And I think Colton even said, if I can quote Coulton, I think he should. I don't have time for that. Of I don't know how to butter the bread. I just eat it, Okay, I

just eat it. And also, before I go any further, let me let me just say that also when I teach these things, I try to view them through a lens, not so much as a um, I think we need to move away from thinking that's the right way to do something and that's the wrong way to do something.

I think if we can use things through a lense of in different situations, there are things that are just good, better, or best for this situation that we're in, and if we don't really look at that's wrong, that's wrong, that's right, that's right, and we think this may be is the best way to handle this situation. For instance, is my husband and I went to Jim and Nicks here in Birmingham, Alabama.

It's a barbecue restaurant. I'm probably not going to tear off each tiny bite of my garlettter biscuit and butter it. At the barbecue restaurants. This practical. So it's as long as people are familiar and know when it's the best time to exercise some of these things, Hopefully that will

make people feel more comfortable in the situation. So hypothetically speaking, if I'm dating Vanessa and I'm going to her parents house to meet her parents for the first time, I should be grabbing bread and then ripping off little pieces and buttering each one. It seems exhausting. Amy you're tearing off quarter size pieces. We'll let me say this if it's exhausting, So let's let's let's see if that's say

well with Vanessa and her parents. And I think it might just be best to tear off one bite at a time so that you could manage smaller bite past pieces, so that if her father asked you a question, you don't have a huge mouthful of foods. So maybe that's one of those situations where it is best to tear it off bit by bit. All right, that's fair. So what are one of the other four nuggets? Okay, let's

go on to a couple other nuggets. Um, if someone asked for the salt, what would you pass them the salt? If someone asked for the salt, you have passed them the salt and the pepper, and the salt and pepper always passed together. So there's just who made up that rule? You know, I really can't tell you who made us all of these things, but I have I went through an etiquette class when I was in seventh grade, and these things has been around since then. I like that.

I think it's a good gesture. I like, yeah, um, okay, there's one Okay, now, this is this is helpful, This is super helpful. You're gonna have to use your imagination. But when you're in a crowded let's say that we're at a round table. Let's say we're at Vanessas house again with her family, and we're at a round cable and you sit down and it's a crowded table and you can't decide which one is your drink. And that's happened that, that's happened so often because things are so close.

If you will make a lowercase BE in a lower case D with your hands, and imagine that you're putting those lowercase letters on either side of a plate beside where your lower case B is. That is, decide where your bread plate would go, and the side with the lowercase D is your drink. So that's a great way to be able to distinguish which one is your bread plate and which one is your drink. Oh, because I can't make a wait what wait? So am I putting D before B? Are you putting? Are you making a

lower case and a lowercase with your hands? Yes? So, because I can't make a lower case E with my right hand, it'd be it'd be back with bread. Wait B for bread. I think a D is left hands, the lowercase B is on your left hand, and the lower case D is on your right hand. Making how do I make a lower case B B is like a bubble going towards the right side. Yeah, exactly. This is proving to be more difficult than I thought it would be. Obviously. Yeah, you didn't look us up on

the podcast Reality TV Personalities. I I can't tell my CS between my D s. I don't know. I'll tell you what. Let's move on to nugget number four. You've been to a restaurant before where sometimes your utensels are rolled up in your napkins and you have to unroll the napkin and place your napkin in your lap, and

then you are putting your own utensils out. Very easy way to remember which side your forks we'll go on is fork is spelled S O r K, and the word left is spelled L E F T. They both have four letters, and then the spoon and the nine does each tough five letters, and they go on the right, which also has five letters. Because that's an easy way. Oh okay, that's easy. That's a really good trick. That's a good nugget. And then last nugget has to do

with your napkins. Um. You unfold the dinner napkin one time, so it's a nice bar direct tangle, um. And then you gentlemen place the dinner napkin over their left legs while ladies place the dinner napkin over both legs. And you do this so that if someone comes to the table to visit, a gentleman can stand up and shake hands and he can hold onto the napkin with his left hand that's on his left leg, and he can

spends his right hand in a handshake. Ohadi. The ladies stay seated unless but the lady can you know, I'm like no, that's i'mn't going in straight for the hug. Then go okay. So whenever you get up from the table, if you're a you're a one who's getting up and you're going in for the hugs, you can take your napkin and you price it in your chair. Okay, So your napkin, and if you excuse yourself from the table for any reason, you're napkin always scares in your chair.

And at the end of the meal, when you're completely finished, you loosely folter your napkin back up and place it to the left of your clip. So what's your opinion on if I if I'm eating an olive and there's a pit, am I spitting that out? Okay? There's there's a rule that says that however something goes in your mouth is the way that something comes out. For instance, if you're eating chicken and you have a tiny bit of a bone, you would put that bone back on the fork and remove it and put it to the

side of your plate. So with an olive, if you've put that olive in your mouth with your hand hand, then you would gently take that out with your fingers. It does kind of conceal the action, and that makes sense instead of just like spitting it back on your

plate right making making a big production of it. So do you have any advice for not just physical etiquette, but maybe a tip for etiquette when you're meeting someone's parents or somebody's friends, your significant other's friends for the first time, something that the audience can you know I said this the colton and I did not get to spent I've probably spent um from start to finish Our whole taking time was probably two hours, and he was delightful.

And I could see when he and Hannah were together and when they were laughing, and when they would kind of walk off to the side and I might be talking to producers about something else. It was so genuine and so real to see that the way that they interacted with each other. I think what I would say two people who are meeting a significant other family for the first time is be yourself and be genuine, um, be real, be fair, be kind, um all of these things.

Just let your real self shine through. Oh it's fair enough. I like that. Well, Amy, thank you so much for joining the podcast today. Thank you for hearing me. I enjoy getting stut to you. No. Absolutely, and then is there anything where you want to tell the audience to go to find more about you or your etiquette classes? Absolutely? I Actually I teach. I teach classes in Birmingham, Alabama.

But I'm working on an ambassador program right now and I am going to be delivering the lesson content through video segment. But it will be a revenue share program where I'll be hiring people to facilitate my curriculum and other cities. So if that interest anybody. I'd left for you to check out my website. It's Etiquette with Amy Rayner dot com. That's great, perfect, perfect. Thank you so much, Amy. Okay, thank you for your okay, bye bye bye. Um. Do

you know of an etiquette that I learned? Do you ever watch the movie A Bronx Tail? Yeah, of course, okay, so you know where the remember I remember their character's names, but like his father figure or whatever, was like, well, you know if this one is a real one. If she you walk, if you open the car door for her and then you walk around your car and she opens the door for you from inside, you know she's a keeper. You ever watch that scene? And I like,

I guess that's how I learned it. But I love opening my boyfriend's car door when he opens the door for me. I'm like, I'm open the door for you from in I and I feel like that's a cute little gesture that girls shouldn't do. I like that. You can't do as much anymore because the automatic, right, it's a different world. Now, my wife, what do you mean? Because when I unlocked the car and unlocks all the doors, so no, I know, but I want to physically open

the door for him, push it open. That's a tough little maneuver you're doing there. But here's no, no, no, no, no, she's saying. What happens is hold on, let's get this picture. He's sitting in the driver's seat seat, she's in the passenger seat. He stops the car, parks the car, gets out if his door, goes around the car to open up the passenger side door for his girlfriend. But as he's doing that, Vanessa opens up the door at the same time. Correct, no, no, So we go into a restaurant.

He opens my door. I sit down and as he's walking to his door, the driver's seat door, I op over. I opened the door and I pushed the door open just a little bit so it can be like, you know, like a little gesture of like I opened the door for you to They's not easy for the passion to reach all the way over and push it open. That's that's not post it completely open, but just like you know, just a little bit together that you appreciated. That's why

it's a good gesture because it shows effort. Yes, we'll say, my wife goes the extra mile when I opened the door for her she gets instarts the car to see if there's a bomb in there. Oh that's so nice. So she'll be the one that blows up and you'll be safe and I'll get away. Wow, that's now, that's a keeper right there. That's somebody who's seen one too many Easton. You have met yourself, he writes American Top forty. I mean he's a national treasure. We need to make

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I remember what I was doing, but I remember hearing them, like, oh are they singing together? Anyway? Even want to recap it for me? I mean, it's really hard to put into words. Honestly, It's one of those moments you just had to see for yourself. Um. I saw the ending where she looks at him and she's like like doing this with her eyelashes. Well, I will say, let me preface this by saying, I do think Lady Gaga might be a little over dramatic at times. I I don't

think I'm breaking news with that. When she won Shallow, the best song everybody knew was coming, and she worked so hard for that moment. I'm happy for it, but it was like she won the pull A Surprize. Um. But that moment in USA, Oh my god. Because we talked about the podcast last week how Lady Gaga ended her has a new tattoo. But even the tattoo, you know, it's a little ambiguous whatever, But the fact that she ended her engagement very sad, very sad. We're not rooting

for any relationships and moving forward from that. So it was awesome because they didn't even intro the song. That's how badass the star is born and this song Shallow is there was no freaking intro. Okay, every other song, the artists came out, talked up about the song, and then they introd the song, and then the artist came out and sang it. They didn't even do that for Shallow. What happened was they just started somebody won the award.

I forget what what what award it was, and they cleared off the stage and all of a sudden there

was a camera behind the curtain. We're like, oh, what's this And then all a sudden, the curtain opened, and they pulled a piano out on the stage and you can hear shallow start playing, and all of a sudden, it was just the piano on stage with two mike's and then the camera went past the piano to where the audience was, and then they showed Lady Gaga and Bradley Cooper get up from their seats and on stage. It was holy, that's what it was. You have to YouTube.

I've already watched it three times. So they sit down. There was I mean, I'm sure you've seen it all over news publications this past this a couple of days. The sexual tension between those two people. There's there's no way they're faking that. And if I was Bradley Cooper's girlfriend, he would never be allowed to leave the house again. Because I even I haven't asked Ashley, I said, what would you do if you saw another woman look at me the way that Lady Gaga is looking at Bradley

Cooper right now? And I see looking at it like that, or she looking at him because it's a performance, and like yeah, she exaggerates. Now, I was thinking the same thing. I was thinking maybe they're in character. I'm sure there was some dramatics to it. But you know how when you watched two people together and you just think yourself, oh god, there's something there. That's what it was. That's why people are freaking out because it's hard to fake that.

And even Bradley Cooper said something. He was on the Stephen Colber Show a couple of days before the Oscars and he said Stephen Colbert asked him, will Bradley Cooper be performing or will Jackson Maine be performing? You know, is he gonna be performing as Jackson Maine or is it Bradley Cooper, you just yourself? And he said, Jackson Maine is no more. He was like, now he's gone. His quote is he's gone. I'm not going to try to get back, you know, into character, but you know

I will be me singing. And so that obviously made people think, well, brad Bradley, there was you, not Vanessa. There was a moment when they were on stage it looked like they were gonna kiss. They both he it was weird because she she was staring at him and anxiety for his girlfriend. Oh, I don't blame you, but well I'll tell you in a second. There's an article that I'll read to you. But she was looking at him, and he leaned in to sing into the mic because there was a part where he was on one mic

and she was in the other. And then she did her solo part and he came around the piano and then sat next to her on the piano and they started singing together. But he leaned in for the mic and it looked like she was leaning in for a kiss. I can't make this now unless they rehearse that. And his girlfriend was okay with that, because hey, listen, baby, it's all for the you know, it's all for the movie. It's all for the moment. It means nothing. I don't

know if I could buy that. Yeah, after the whole thing happened with Angelina Jolie and Brad Pitt, I mean I would be anxious a little bit as um girlfriend, just because I mean, you don't know, like, yeah, you do get into character. But I think when two people just have really good chemistry. But then again, is it is it the characters that had good chemistry or was it the actors that had good chemistry? I think it was the actors. This is why the chemistry was so

good on and off screen. I hate saying. I watched Lady Gaga's documentary and she basically didn't even have to audition. Bradley Cooper just called and says, I'm making a movie and you're gonna start on it. Yeah, that's what I heard too. But then I heard I think pre Oscar Show, somebody said that Bradley Cooper wanted Beyonce to originally play Ali in the movie, and it would be it would have been interesting to see their chemistry if Bradley Cooper

continue to play Jackson Maine. Um, but Beyonce I think turned it down for for whatever reason. Um. And the thing about Lady Gaga, and like you say, when when two people act together and they have this chemistry on screen, I mean, whether people a minute or not, it translate off screen. And point A would be on the Oscars. Rommi Malick wins Best Actor. He starts kissing the girl to his left. His girlfriends he couldn't stop kissing her.

And it's the girl that he played that played his girlfriend in Bohemian Rhapsody, and they met on set and they're dating. Now. There's got to be something about being on those movie sets because this happened. So how can it not? I know, I know of a friend of a friend of mine who basically was dating this actor and he would always fall up with his cold stars and she was so insecure every time he would sign on to a new movie. Um, and now he's dating

another one of his cool stars. Yeah, it's scary, but now here's here's the alternative. Um. Because I think a lot of people also shipped Leo Leonardo DiCaprio and Angelina Oh my god, he wins after Titanic. Everybody wanted them together and they have ended up becoming. Oh. I even as a as a boy, I was like, yeah, like I want them to be together. Jack and Rose. Come on? Then I see you didn't ship them. I can't believe

I'm saying ship who might become. You know who's a good example of the onset romance, and I think she's fantastic is Jennifer Garner. If you were to get involved with Jennifer Garner, I'd be concerned when she goes off to do a movie because she was doing Felicity when she met Scott Foley and married him, then they got divorced, and then she was doing Alias and she got with Michael Vartan and they got together and then they split up and they started digging ben Affleck, who she met

on the seat of Pearl Harbor and Daredevil. I forgot they got married Devil because I was thinking to myself, where did she meet ben Affleck them? Yeah, and then of course that little saucy thing. It's it is nerve racking though, But maybe maybe Bradley Cooper and Lady Gaga are more like Leo and Kate were. Maybe they're just best friends. Because there was also an article in Cosmopolitan saying, because Bradley's girlfriend, her name is, is it Irena or Arena, well,

Eatina and her arena Eatina shayak. I think it's a shake shake. Yeah, I think it's shake Okay, arena shake, sorry from pronouncing that really poorly, uh, saying that it pretty much was an article talking about how she felt during that moment watching Lady Gaga and her boyfriend Bradley Cooper up on stage, and apparently she was fine with it. And it says like a source close to US Weekly said that Arena knows that Bradley and Gaga are oddists, artists.

It's a nuance for her. They were in character putting on an oscar performance. So maybe they're just really good friends in the three of them. But do you think she would actually admit if she felt uncomfortable? Hell no, yeah, I mean you don't want to. I think we want to sometimes not admit what we're feeling, but it can come out and it can display it in other ways. So we don't know what the relationship is like, We don't know what kind of conversation she may have had

with him. If it were me, I would definitely be having a sit down conversation with Bradley Cooper after that performance. I feel like if it was you, Bradley would have numerables, it would it would be chopped off in your hands, like, try that one more time, Try one more Why do you say that? Because you're just a very empowered woman, and you know, I just I can see that. What's your what's your boyfriend's name again? John? Josh? Josh? Oh? Yeah, Josh?

Ever tried that? Oh he'd be on that pond alone in the forest, sleeping there for weeks. Okay, let's let's let's chill. Let's chill. I have a very honest um relationship with him, and he knows my insecurities and I know his insecurities, and we don't try to play like we're too cool and we're you know, he's recal, suave, macho man that doesn't have any like insecurities of his own.

And I think that's what made us so Um, that's what made our relationship so strong from the very beginning, where we're just like, this is what it is, is what I am, this is, this is the that I had to do with in my past, and um, and we try to work through it and whenever there's something that does come up, I mean, I was reading this quote and I want to find it because it's so true. Are you a big quote person? Yeahs? Are you much

of our childhood maybe unstayable, but it's not inexpressible. And transference lets the story be told in spite of our mutiness. I'm sorry, can you translate that for? Yeah? We act, We act out what we cannot quite cry out. So if someone is showing you something, it's because there they may not be able to express it, but they're showing

you what they're feeling in their behaviors. So I don't know why I brought this up while we were talking about maybe Irena Bradley's girlfriend is a little nervous to share some insecurity she has about r BF and yeah, because once once you voice it, it becomes real and then it becomes scary. Totally. I think that's like every single one of us, right, we don't have to vocalize our anxiety or our fears because then they become reality.

Do you want to ask me these ten questions? All right? Cool? Yeah? I want to get into a little segment. I was thinking about the podcast, and you know, Vanessa, I'm always a sucker for nice little question segments. I did this earlier. I think I did it with you Andy, we did all right. Yeah, I think it's always nice just to get to know our hosts a little bit better. So I'm calling this Ten Questions with Vanessa Grimaldi easter. Do you have a little sound bite for me for this?

Maybe a very epic one. I like that Ten Questions with Vanessa Grimaldi hosted. All right, ten questions, question number one? These are very easy. What's so? There was a lot of controversy this past week between Mike Flice and Chloe Kardashian. I don't know. I'm sure you guys, saw is tweeting that they were and talking to be the Bachelor. Wrette, but you didn't see any of this, Oh yes they did, okay. Uh. Mike Flie was pretty much like the father of of

the Bachelor. He was tweeting that he was in talks with Chloe Kardashian Christian about becoming the next Bachelor. Kim Kardashian retweeted it and said fake news, and then there was a little Twitter battle and pretty much, Chloe Kardashian is not gonna be the next stop using me as clickbait and stop. Yeah, which you know, good tweet Finn I get it. Having said that, God I wish he was the next Bachelor. It would have been the most talked about That would be the most dramatic season ever.

It would have been the most non all most dramatic season of the Bachelor. It would have been probably maybe the most talked about television event in recent history. Chloe Kardashian as the Bachelor. Holy crap. There would have been a lot of celebrities on that season, tons of celebrities. So anyway, my question is because of that made me thinking what celebrity would you want to see as the next Bachelor? Of Vanessael either next Lea. Oh it's a

tough one. Um who is always single? I can't. I mean I have one, she's not currently single, but it would be great TV who T Swift? Oh? Yes, Taylor, you know what? Yeah? I would totally love or Ariana Grande. Alright, a Grande. That would be a big one. Yeah, but I do less in T Swift. I was just listening to album before the podcast. Um, T Swift and for a bachelor, m m. I didn't think about bachelor. I don't know if there's any leads that come to my mind.

What does that Efron? Nah? Okay, never mind. Now I feel like he's too um he has too much like swag and no. Well that's why I know. That's why I would want someone who seems a little bit more um less. You know that's fair? Yeah? Okay, next? All right, Next, what's your favorite rom com? Ten Things I Hate About You? That's such a another one. Another one is how to Lose a Guy in Ten Days. I apparently like titles that have let the number ten eggs obviously your favorite number.

I'm a big ten Things I Hate About You fan? He lede that hair God, Well, I would give to look like that man from that movie and that scene obviously he's singing, You're just too good to be true walking down the stairs to be true. Oh God, just gives me the chills every time. Alright, Number three, do you like a bad boy? You like a nice guy? Bad boy tendency? You have bad boy tendencies? Yeah, like a nice guy but with bad boy tendencies. That's like,

oh yeah, come to mama, damn. Alright, Number four, I feel like this podcast we should probably introduce a new dating slang every week. You know, we we we ran a couple down, but I think we should produce one per podcast to see what people you know, are getting themselves into by being in the dating world in twenty nineteen. So, Vanessa, do you know what the term stashing means? Yeah? Is it when a person has multiple people on their list

of interests. I'm sorry, that is wrong. I'm sorry, like stashing like a purse of you know, I think that might be benching. Oh like you got you have people on the bench ready to go, So we'll we'll learn about that next week. But stashing for this week is a term for when someone you're dating refuses to introduce you to anyone he or she is close to, sort of like stashing you in a draw. Oh say, I

was doing that. I was thinking the reverse, like, Oh, I like all these people, I'm just gonna stash onto my person. Then I'm gonna pick one out for today and another one out for tomorrow. Oh gotcha. See if anybody is stat like for our audience out there, if anybody is stashing you, cur Lee, you don't want to date them, No, you do not want to date them at all. You want to be going at hometown dates. Oh,

hometown dates. Yeah, no more stashing. If somebody's stashing out there, we have one thing to say, get rid of them. Here we go, number five. Question number five, Vanessa Grimal, This is gonna get a little personal. Have you ever made out with two more people in one day? No? No, I mean if my dog counts. No, that's disgusting. You've made out with your dog? Yeah? Did your dog not kiss you on the mouth? No, on the face, not on the lips. Oh I kissed my dog in the

lips all the time. Um. No, I've never kissed two people out in the same day, the same day. Mark Easton, want to share your dirty little secrets high school that happened. Yeah, you himp? You really that I would expect you, bad boy, Mark Easton. I knew you would good for you. Yes, I did it when I was probably around nine teen or twenty. I'll never forget it because I felt like the coolest I think I've ever felt in my entire life. I'll never forget because I was. It's so bad, I

can't believe I'm even gonna admit this. I was with friends at a t g I Fridays and one of the girls that we worked with was very attractive, and I walked her back to her car and we started kissing at the car. And this is maybe I was when was I I was either eighteen or like a

little bit. I think I was eighteen, And so we made out in her car, and then later that night I went over my friend's house after you know, t g I Friday's Long Night, Crazy night guys, and there was another girl I was attractive that I knew and I also worked with, and it was I know, I was eighteen, Okay, I just know what's worse the fact that you're at t g I Fridays or that you kissed two girls that night, and you know what it must have been when I was like twenty two actually

thinking about it now, because I was drinking, I know, it makes it far worse, but I was of age. And so anyway, long story, show went back to my buddy's house and we're sitting on the couch and then she just started kissing me and we kind of like made out, and I was like, holy crap, this is the second girl with any of them. Then hey, you got that out of your system and now you're going

with one woman for the rest of your life. The first girl was somebody that I kind of dug and was like, oh, that's why I walked back to her car. And then the second girl was just somebody who was just at a party and we're just hanging out. We were talking. You know, you're you're at a buddy's house and all of a sudden you're talking to somebody for like an hour about like the universe, and you know, you're getting that deep conversation. Then all of a sudden,

it was like boom. I was like, holy hell, how did this happen? Trying to get some bottomless spotizers idea obviously she really Yeah, the the chicken wings. That's always a good option. Alright, moving on, never mind, here we go. Number six. This is kind of superficial, but here we go. Do you like big muscles, athletic body, dad body, or skinny? I don't have a type, no physical type. Now, actually I will say this, if the guy is way too ripped,

I'm I don't find that attractive. You're not a big muscle that no no no no no no no, spends way too much time at the gym and probably wait too much time looking at himself in the mirror. Not very not my type. Do you like tattoos? Oh? I loving questions? Was another question six? It was like a very bad body central type. Next, alright, number seven. The term couple goals is thrown around so much today. But to you, Vanessa, which famous couple exemplifies couple goals? To

you pretty much? Who's your favorite celebrity couple. I really love Christie Teagan and John Legend. There are very much out there. She's so outspoken and he um he made a speech about her once for this award that she won, and it was so genuine and we started crying in the middle of his speech. And I mean, they're just open about the relationship, and I admire couples like that that don't pretend like they have it all together. Yeah, they're awesome together. Mark, can you guess what my favorite

celebrity couple is who they are? Moving on Number eight, Vanessa, do you walk around naked in front of your significant other or vice versa? Yes? Both? Yeah, he just lets to hang out. Huh yeah, good for you. Well, I don't know if I should be speaking for him, but the reason, the reason is the reason. That's true. But you you walk around, I definitely do. I guess there's a difference between a female body and a male body.

I mean there's a big difference. I feel like the female bodies is far more attractive, let's just be honest, the male body. Like I look at myself naked sometimes and I'm like, oh god, you know, I'm I feel like I'm I'm you know, average to above average, but just a lot of hair, so much hair. Oh. I like hair though. I like hair too, but you know, like from the waist up, I like it, Like I like having a I actually having a patchy beard feeling it's a little character. Do you have bad hair? No,

I don't have back hair. Thank god. I've like it's as I get older, it's starting to come in a little bit at my lower back. This is way team though. I love how I turned this around on you. Okay, Number eight? Are we had eight? Or nine? That was number nine? Uh? This is again you don't have to talk about your personal experience, but just your overall thoughts on it. Sex on the first date? Yes or no?

It depends. I mean, I for me, I don't think I had No, I have not had sex on the first date because that's been actually no, I'm no, No, I'm trying to think. I'm like, have I Um, I haven't, and I'm but I'm not against it? All right? Fair enough? Not against it? I like all right? Number ten. Final question today. Not a lot of people know this, but you are on fear factor? Correct me if I'm wrong? Yes? What so is is there one thing? What would be

the one thing going into fear factor? Because I'm you've thought about this, What would you have refused to do? That's an excellent question, Jared. Yeah, Um, I think I would have refused. I remember watching one episode where there was PLEXI glass over swimming pool and they had put maybe three or four holes where you could have went up and got air. And I think I probably would have asked Danielle at the time she was she was my partner on Fear Factor. I probably would have asked her.

She felt more comfortable swimming in in the pool where it was covered with plexi glass because I guess I'm a little bit clutrophobic, but it was ready to put put it in like beetles and a blender and eat everything, eat everything. And yeah, because they have like like cow penis that you have to eat and all this just I mean, maybe that's a delicacy. I don't know, but there's a lot so for example, right, cow's our female. Oh yeah, wait, I think you got your college and

got your bulls A bull penis, I'm sorry, a bulls penis. Okay, my bad. I feel like Dean would have known that would definitely right now he is, all right, you guys want to move on to a couple of emails. I do have a really good email here that I'd love to get your thoughts on from anonymous, and those are always the best ones. She says, I met this guy and one night he just swept me off my feet. He grabbed me in a good way so that he could not not kiss me, and we started making out.

We went to the bedroom. We didn't go all the way, but we were cuddling naked, and went on to open up about his finances, his family, his work, his ex, his friends. He said he was comfortable opening up to me. It was a little scared to be feeling this way. A couple of days later ago on social media and he blocked me, deleted me from Instagram, snapchat. Okay, I get it, I'm being did But why did guy get weirdly really vulnerable and emotional in the moment and then

the polar opposite the next morning. It's just weird. That is weird. Can you explain I actually can't explain this to me. If I in that situation, naked, cuddling and discussing finances and family, I think I'm all into this relationship. I'm really interested in where this is going. Or maybe he just needed someone to literally open up to and shipped down naked and expose himself. Yeah, but when did you think that he would text her? Why would he

completely ghost and block her? That's my question that made me wonder if it's that When he said he was a little scared that he was feeling this way. Maybe that's it. Maybe he got so scared, like, oh my god, what did I tell her? Oh my god, why did I do that? Oh my god, I I opened up too much? Or block her? I mean, or maybe he's in a relationship. That's a real possibility. Yeah, Yeah, there's something there where my mind went, you know, one night because he met I met this guy one night, he

grabbed me, couldn't resist me. We didn't go all the way. Maybe built a little guilty and started opening up. Maybe he wasn't able to open up for quite some time, and then the next morning he's like, holy what did I do? Did I do? Maybe it's with somebody doesn't feel comfortable talking to He felt comfortable talking to you, but now he's still with that other person. I think that explains the blocking. I would that's because it's that probably explains why they didn't have sex. A great because

maybe he had a moment guilt. Yeah, and he's like, oh, I'm not actually cheating because you know how it's so technical for some guys. Guys, that's hilarious. That's a really good point. That's a really good point. Well, yeah, anyway, Danta emails, what are your thoughts on going on a second date when you really didn't feel a spark on the first date. I'm torn and I can't decide if I'll just be wasting my time and his. But I have heard stories that people taking a while before they

feel the chemistry go on a second do it? Yeah, of course, people are just so awkward and weird on their first date and even on their second date. I would. I would go until like a third date, and then if you're really not feeling it, if he's feeling and it wants to go on a date with you, and you're like, oh, like you just wanna cancel it on the date, just then at that point I would. I wouldn't go on a date, but I would. I would

definitely try. I have somebody who's very close to me went on a date from an online dating app or website. I met this guy, liked him on the first date. I wanted to go on a second date. Second day did not go well, did not like a second day at all. So she was like, I don't know if I should go on a third day. Goes on the

third day. Now I know it, well, you know I went on ad I usually go on really good dates, um because I'm like, I'm able to break down the person on the first date because I want them like I'll burp in front of them. I'm like, come on, let's just like be ourselves. Let's not try to audition, you know. A. Yeah. I went on a date with this one guy years ago and I remember being like, yeah, everyone's saying he's such a good person, but I just

didn't feel it. And I guess he felt my energy was off and he had asked me out on the second date, and I remember being at work thinking I really don't want to go on the state. An hour later, he sends me a message saying like, hey, I don't think it's a good idea if we go on a second date. And I was like, the universe read my energy and that was it. And then the Bachelor, and then and then I was engaged on the Bachelor. So the consensus is, go on the second date. You got

to lose. We're not that busy, Go ahead, do it, good time, forty minutes to an hour to lose. All right, Well, that will do it for the emails, and that we'll do it for today's episode some big thank you. First of all, thank you to Dax Holt for joining us today. Yes, and you can definitely check out Baby Vacation. Big thank you to Amy Rayner, the etiquettes teacher. Yes, everybody deserves an applause. Amy Rayner would be so proud of us.

She'd be very proud of us right now. Past the salt and pepper together, no matter whether they asked for those individually or not. We want to give a very big, big big thank you to Noon, Third Love and zip Recruiter. Make sure to visit noon dot com slash Dean to start your trial today and get those bras at third Love dot com slash Vanessa for off, and make sure to also visit Zip Recruiter at this exclusive web address, zip recruiter dot com slash date mark East and you

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