A Touch of Lace

looking for a better WiFi spot. We have a very special guest whos gonna go host this week's episode. You know her. She was on Ben Higgins season of The Bachelor. She was also on Bachelor in Paradise season three with me before I became somewhat of a smart man. My dog is barking in the background. This is a chaotic podcast to already begin. Okay, we're all going to settle down. It's still wonderful. The beautiful Lace Morris is joining us on the podcast today. Lace, how are you? I'm amazing?

How are you? I'm doing well? It feels like I'm so sorry. You're walking into this chaotic situation. Dean's literally driving right now trying to find a better WiFi spot. My dog is freaking out in the background for god knows what. But we're so grateful for you to be here. Uh, Lace you were We were just talking off the podcast. Uh. We saw you a little over a year ago for J J J J Lane and Kayla's wedding. And that was like the last time we were at Ashley and

I were at any big gathering. It was like the week before lockdown happened, right, Yeah, we got a little fun in before we got locked down. That was a fun wedding. That was the only time I've ever been to Denver, which is the scariest airport I've ever seen. Why because I think we have one of the best airports. I didn't really venture around, so I can't tell you. But that horse with the red eyes, what the hell is that about? You know that? Did you know that

killed the guy that built it? Hold on, what did you know that? Wait? So it's a Bronco, right, Yeah, hence the Denver Broncos. No it's not, but it's not. No, I don't think so. Well, I'm in an assumption there, which as we all know, it makes an asset of it might be, but all I know is that his own thing killed him because it's all over on him. Well that's terrifying. Well I heard that airport. There's like conspiracy theories about that airport in Denver. Yeah, there is

a lot I have. I should probably look into that ash and I looked into it, like there is some secret underground layer where uh there's like aliens being held captive. It's crazy, but I think it's really just because that bronco with the red eyes. But anyway, like what it was the purpose of putting the scary eyes in there, It could have been really cool. You know. Maybe the guy was like, listen, I love Denver so much that

I don't want anybody coming here. So as soon as you touch ground in Denver, I'm just gonna put this giant horse with red eyes staring directly into your soul so it scares you the hell back wherever you came from. Don't come here, Yeah, don't come here. It's too good. Uh. Well, Lace, first of all, everybody obviously knows you from Ben Higgins season of the Bachelor, So how'd you end up getting on the show originally anyway, Um, I had applied like

six months before they called me and just randomly. I don't know why, I just did it and then they called me. But I was in a relationship, so I was supposed to be on Ashley's season technically, but Crystal season. Yeah, Chris Crystals and I had a boyfriend at the time, but I knew we weren't going to work out. But I just was like a moral thing, so I was like, maybe when I'm single again, They're like call us when you're single. So I did, and it was just in

time for bed and season. So you did not pull a Jed. That's a good decision, yea. Even though there was some talk like a couple of weeks ago that Jed was gonna say that he had like this explosive story. I don't know what happened to that, but I think it was a good decision, right, and then we never got it, and then we never got it. Something happened again. It was probably the Denver Airport. The Denver Airport controls everybody,

including Bachelor Nation. So so you signed up, So I'm assuming you were single when you signed up, and then you started dating guy, and then that's when they called you. Yeah, okay, I actually I was headed to Vegas, but I met them anyways behind his back and went and met like Lacey what was the name? Lacy really liking me? And well what's not to like? Thanks? Sick kind of cool? Um but yeah, so um I called him when I was single, like you're less than a year later? Oh wow,

Um it is crazy? How like just it it? So when I got casted, I luckily was single, and I don't think I could have done what you did, which is like reach back out. I've I felt terrified to even tell them no. In the beginning, like anything they wanted me to do. I remember first getting up because obviously we all have to go to final casting weekend and like we have that super intimidating moment moment where you have to sit in front of the thirty producers

and um, horrible. Oh it's terrifying. I remember, like I'm you know, I'm an outgoing person to a certain extent, but like they had me imitating Batman and as it like they were like, hey, why don't you, uh, oh, I don't know, walk up to this producer and pretend you're Batman and in your best Batman impersonation, say what you think Batman would say to the bachelorette. And I

was like yeah. I was like, yeah, sure, no problem, and then walked into the corner and like started sweating immediately and was like, what the frigate am I doing with my life right now? So what did you say? Oh? I said something stupid. I said, like you wanted to go right in my batmobile. It was like, I can't believe they invited me on the show after that. So then of course you are on Ben Higgins season to

the Bachelor, um, and then you were known. It's so crazy because I find that people that go on the show that are most polarizing are the people that I like the most, and you were certainly a polarizing figure in the beginning of Ben Higgen's season. Yeah, yeah, I was drunk, But you gotta think like they were coming in my hotel room before um, when you know, when you get ready and you have to wait in there for a while, and they'd come in with shots. So

I was drinking way earlier in the day. Oh yeah, and then you have campaign in the limo and then behind the camera, I'm taking shots days. So then of course you go on Bachelor in Paradise. That's where you meet Grant. You guys get engaged. Doesn't work out? Now, I have a question because a lot of people ask us about matching tattoos. They're like, should we get couple

of tattoos? Have you ever talked about this? I know you've probably talked so much about this that you were so tired of the question, But I just want to know your overall thoughts. What do you think of a couple of tattoos? Now? Um, don't do it? Honestly? Never again? Was that your or Grant side day? I don't well, okay, so I told Alan that I really wanted a tattoo at some point of paradise. So he decided, you know, smart them, why don't you guys do it together? And

I don't remember exactly whose idea it was. It wasn't mine, but I didn't want to do it. No, you guys got on your wrist though right, I'm getting I'm getting rid of this thing. This is so ugly. Wait, didn't you get it removed? I thought you got removed. No, I have it, and I'm I just don't want to deal with the pain, but I'm going to like the physical pain or like the emotional pain and letting go. Um that's long gone, thank you, Okay, just clarifying the

emotions are long gone. No pain, I don't want to feel it. No, I don't blame, especially like a sensitive spot on the wrist that must have hurt. Like help. But then I was told that there might be one where they give you laughing gas and you don't feel it. Interesting. Do you have any other tattoos? Ah? Yeah, all my tattoos are pretty dumb. How many do you have? Three? Okay, Dean, I think he's joining us in a second. He's got better WiFi. He's got tattoos all over the place. I've

always wanted a tattoo. I don't have one yet, but I plan on getting one. It's funny because we were talking about I don't know, I don't know something that like symbolizes me, whether it be like it's something stupid like Tom Brady a superman. I don't know if I'm gonna put it on my body. I wanted to be something that like I'm super passionate about. You should put Tom Brady. You're like you're like obsessed with him. Uh yeah, yeah, I mean that's an accurate representation of how I feel

towards Tom Brady. Um, Dean, we walked into the perfect time, the perfect time. We're talking about tattoos. Um, well yeah, at Lace got a tattoo with Grant. Is that what we're talking about? Tattoos? Yes? Yeah? Nice? So Dean, would you ever get a couple of tattooed with Kalin? I was gonna get I got. We were getting couples tattoos, and I went first. Don't do it. I we were getting him. I went first, and then she was supposed

to go second, and she never went so never happened. Well, if you guys got a couple tattoos, what would you get? Me and Kaylin? No? Uh, you and me? Yes, you and Kaylin. We should get couple of tattoos, Jared, we could get dating tattoos. Um. I got a skydiver and she got she was supposed to get like a paper airplane or something, but she never got it, and she still to this day says she's gonna get it, but it has yet to happen. Yeah, that's why you got

yours though, right, yeah, I do. It's on my back and Now every time someone sees my little parachute guy, everyone's like, oh, why do you have a parachute guy? And I'm like, oh, my girlfriend was supposed to get an airplane and that he jumped out of but she never did, and so now I just have a parachute guy. Well, at least you can hold that against her for the rest of your life. Um. At last, do you like guys with tattoos? I don't either way, I go either way.

My current boyfriend doesn't have any. I know, we saw that. I was gonna ask you about that. You just recently uh posted a picture of a man uh and you said, I think the cash one was found you very adorable. The thing is, though, there's nobody tagged on that photo, so I was unable to stalk him prior to this pod. Isn't that so great? No, it's quite sad. I needed to know more about this human being. Can you do you want to talk about him? Um? Yeah, yeah, we

could talk about him. Great. So how do you guys meet? Um? I got on hande to delete it and there was a message from him. Really, so you went so you were on hinge and then you didn't use it for a while no, I just I mean I would go on dates, but it wasn't working out. So I was like, I'm just going to focus on work, not date whatever. And then there he was what was his opening line? Yeah, it's a picture of my dog and I and he goes,

beautiful the dog. That is smart man. Diana and I always talk about opening lines and d m ng someone, and we always say the best way to do it isn't just to say hi or hey, it's to bond to a photo or it's too like if you're on hand, you comment on a photo or even on Instagram, you respond to an Instagram story something to like, you know, break the ice, start the conversation. I feel like no girl or a lot of girls don't answer to like hey, hi, no,

some people are really boring. I do really like those icebreggers. Um. I remember this one time when a guy at the restaurant came up and gave me a little white napkin um and he drew this like very like this really good picture of a polar bear and ice breaking and he goes, I just wanted to break the ice and put his phone number on it. That's really cute. Is that the best pickup line and us on you? What is that the best one you've ever had that I

can remember? All right, I don't remember any good pickup lines. I had it on a woman. Lease. I have a question because we kind of scared it over it. So you didn't tag the guy on Instagram when you post the picture? Does you not have an Instagram? Yeah? He does not have Instagram. You got rid of it. Uh this year like this a much better without true and

it works in my favor for all those stalkers. So right, well, so what was his reaction, like, did he know that you were on the Bachelor, Bachelor Paradise all that stuff, or did he like what was his response to that? Yeah, he obviously had to like google who he's going on a date with, right, so he got all these videos he was like what, Um, he definitely watched the Grace tattoo one that was about well that sounds you know, he's just scant some information. Yeah, he said he watched

about poor that was enough, all right? Yeah, I mean there's really no point in watching. That's curious. Like, it's weird to even talk about this, but you know, being married to Ash, we've never had to have those conversations. You know, the only conversation we've ever had to discussed was like girls that I dated, you know, before we

got together. I don't know, it's I guess it's different dating someone outside of the franchise to be like, hey, by the way, well you need to know something about me. I was on Bachelor, I dated people. There's like things on TV. That's an interesting dynamic, especially for someone who doesn't even watch any of that. So yeah, it's interesting. But he's pretty cool about it. I mean, I guess if I thought about it, if I was dating someone and they had a tattoo with their ex, that'd be

uncomfortable a little bit get away. It's definitely weird, but it's you know, I mean, like you said, it's it doesn't mean anything to you anymore. Yeah, I mean my take on that is I've got so many meaningless tattoos already that what's another one? You know, what's another five at the end of the day. So I I personally think it's that weird. Was he because did you get

yours covered up or like removed any No? I I do want to remove it because I actually don't like the design grant that he decided to do these little swirlies. But yeah, I don't really care for it personally. Well, it's in a tough spot to the wrist. Is something that you see like every day, no matter what you're doing. Didn't put it on my ass or anything to hide it, right, Well, I've got a lot of dumb tattoos, but most of my dumb ones are like on my back or you know,

like places I can't really see all that. Well, yeah, I went to a family dinner last night and my brother showed up, who I haven't seen in four months, and he got a lips on his neck. I'm so annoyed. Who does That's pretty very noticeable that Amar who plays basketball. Didn't he do that? Yeah, that's so funny. I was going to mention Kenyan Martin had it. He pulled it off. He did pull it off. But I'm surprised, you know

that Kmart had it. I will say though, like I wish I was a guy that was able to pull off like an arms sleeve because those are pretty badass. I could totally see you with an arm sleeve, me with an arms sleeve. I have a picture of a pig with a flower crown behind her. You think I could pull off an armed sleeve. I appreciate that, though, I really do. I feel like Ashley would beg to differ once. Once you get to know me, and all I do is talk about, you know, Superman and Rob Thomas.

It's quite pathetic. Um, So, how long have you and uh, your boyfriend been dating? Now? How long has it been? Um? Actually a month? Not very long? Okay, so like no living together yet, nothing like that. I mean we stayed together a lot, but not yet okay six months? Yeah, one month? One month? That is very recent. You guys are still in puppy love phase. I bet you like you enjoy folding laundry together. Oh, it's our favorite to have past time. Um. Hey, sometimes like when you know

you know? Yeah, that's fair, you know what. There's a question. So in our next segment, I have some questions for you in Dean. Uh, there's some weird dating facts out there, and I want to get your thoughts on there. But before we do that, let's take a quick break. All right, welcome back to help I suck a dating. Like we tease before the break, we have some weird dating facts here on help I sucon dating because that's what we're

all about. I don't want to get Dan and Laces thoughts on it, and I guess I'll give some mine on as well. So Lace you talked about before, um we took the break that when you know, you know, And funny enough, there's stats on relationships that reveal that most people say they know whether or not they're attracted to someone after three seconds of seeing them. So my question is three seconds long enough to know whether you're attracted to someone or not? Yes? I would think, yeah,

three seconds. The moment I saw him, I was like, whoa, he's hotter than I thought. Right, All right, fair point, Dean. What do you think? I think three seconds is a good amount of time for a lot of things. I think I think a lot can happen in three seconds. A lot more than we expect to happen can happen in three seconds. Some times you just have to, you know, go with it. And yeah, three seconds is plenty time

in my opinion. Here's my devil's advocate to this. When I get to know someone, when I when I see them, of course I know whether I'm attractive to them or not. But when I get to know someone's personality they become either more or less attractive to of course, of course, so in my mind I need more than three seconds. Well, there are people that like are physically attractive that you're like, whoa, this person's got a nice smile, a big but beautiful eyes,

like that kind of thing. Like that's pretty easy to figure out, I think when you say are attracted to someone, yeah, that's kind of like the first thing my mind goes to was like, yeah, I can. I can go up and down on someone pretty quick, but it does take time to like figure out their personality and like decide whether or not you're attracted to them more than just the physical component, you know, Yeah, Dan needs not even a second quick updown, but a bang, but a boom

Dean seconds man. Uh, you know it's another weird dating effect and lace. I want to get your thoughts on this one. Apparently, as Buddy shows that women are attracted to men when they wear blue. This is something we talked about on the podcast before, but obviously Dean and I are dude, so we can't really answer this. So at least, are you attracted to a man when he wears blue more than any other color? I feel like I need to see a man of blue right now

to like decide wrap I'm not I'm wearing black. Um, what do you think about a guy in ski helmet and ski goggles and a ski jacket. It's pretty good jacket. I mean that's a pretty good look right there. Better. Um, yeah, I think blue looks good for some reason. I feel like blue brings out their eyes, especially the brown eyes. So I think I think guys, I think people in general just look better wearing black. I don't know if I agree with the blue thing, but black is definitely color.

Is there a meaning behind the color blue for this that we could let's find out actually something to do with it, a meaning behind the color blue? What does the color blue mean? Blue is the color of sky and see it is often associated with depth and stability and trust, loyalty, wisdom, confidence, intelligence. So maybe interesting. That is very interesting, because when I think of blue, I think of like the blues, like I'm I'm sad, you know, like the blues, like, oh I got the blues. That's

like the last thing that I think of. I think. I just remember the fact when we were kids, everyone's always like, what's your favorite color? What's your favorite color, and if someone's favorite color was blue, they'd always be like, oh, most geniuses favorite colors are blue when their kids, So it's a good sign. I just remember that was like things who told you that that's whatever? It's common knowledge apparently when you're a kid. I don't know. But now

I just associate the color blue with intelligence. I'm just saying two out of the three people have never heard this before in this podcast. I don't know where you guys went to school, but where I went to school, it was the color of intelligence. Feeling. Robert de Niro just came out of beat the parents. You know, they say genius is pickering um. All right, Another uh weird dating fact of men say they date women that are at least five years younger than them. So my question, lace,

are you older or younger than your boyfriend? Okay, alright, so this one didn't go as far. Five years. That seems like a little much. I think that seems a little nice. I think five years is too much. No, not too much. I just think that as a stat I don't know, it seems like five years. I don't want to like, I don't want to make this uncomfortable. Conversation or anything. But in April I turned thirty and

Caitlyn is so right into this narrative. I guess I'm a weirdo, but only for a couple of months out of the year because the other ten months I'm only four years older than her. Well, no, I think the h gap is good, Like that's fine. I'm just saying as a stat five years seems if that's the you know, the number of years most Pete. I don't know, Jared, aren't you younger than Ashley? I am. I'm nine months

younger than Ashley. Also, Ashley's birthday is tomorrow. We're recording this on Friday, and Ashley's yep, she's turning thirty three. For uh, well, we're in the midst of moving right now, so it's a little chaotic, but we're gonna go have dinner with Tanner and Jade uh and I uh, I have some things planned for her, small things, you know, just a little little reminders. Moving out of your apartment in l A. Yes, we are where a little place called Rhode Island. I don't know you guys were moving,

that's yeah, So we're moving out of our apartment. Um, I mean We're gonna probably be back and maybe get a studio apartment sometime next year when things get normal, like if we have to be here for work and things of that nature. But it just didn't make sense for us to be here in Los Angeles. We want to be closer to our family. We love the East Coast.

We want to raise a family in Rhode Island. I've always you know, when we got together, I told Ashley, I've always wanted to move back, and she was like, no, I would love to grow, you know, live in New England. So we didn't plan to do this for a couple more years. But with COVID, everything just kind of expedited and we felt that now is the right time to do it. And then if we need to come back for you know, whatever work, or if we need to be here for a few months, then we'll figure it out.

When we crossed that bridge, that is. So that is That's what I was gonna say, because I remember you saying that you did want to move to the East Coast, but it was gonna be happening, like, you know, three or four years. But I guess COVID kinda, I mean, everything is remote. When's the next time you and I are gonna be in studio. I mean, you're on top of a mountain. We can't get you down, bro right

right right. It's it's my fault. That's why you're moving to Rhode Island because you're not gonna see me in studio anymore. I get it exactly. I was like, ash we gotta move now. I mean, Dean, just now, the time is nice. Do you guys have a place in on the East Coast picked out? No? No, not yet. We're looking at different plots of land, we're looking at different houses. We don't have anything that you know we're

gonna buy. Yeah, we've never owned. We've never owned in our lives, so this will be the first time we're gonna be homeowners. Be honest. Did Kaylin and I buying a house inspire you guys to buy a house? Were you like, they're buying one, so now we have to, like, you know, be better than them and buy one ourselves. Oh? Totally, Except I didn't say it calmly. I was like, Ashley, Dean and Kaylin have a house. We need to buy a house right now, right right? That's fair. I respect that.

What are you building a house? On a plot of land, or are you gonna buy and already built house. Uh, we're leaning towards the former. You're gonna build a house because that's that means you're gonna live with your parents for like a year or something. We might rent. We're gonna try to figure it out my sister and we're gonna stay with my sister for a little while. We're gonna we're gonna kind of figure it out. So uh yeah,

we're gonna we're kind of playing it by ear. But the time to do that is now before we have kids and we can't really do anything spontaneously. That's crazy, man. I feel like it's like a big a bomb being dropped on me right now in the middle of a casual conversation with Lace, and I feel like that's I like to sneak in breaking news, like have we I feel like you, I don't know, we can move on. I am just still baffled. I feel like we haven't talked about this and it's just a lot of things

to unpact. We'll talk about it more in definitely next podcast. I don't want to Okay, okay, um me and Kitlin, Yeah, we have a house in l A and we just bought a house in Las Vegas. Okay, so, but I think that we bought the house in January, told Jared about it, and now apparently he's just trying to one up us and buy a house in freaking New England. As soon Ash and I will have a joint bank account. Yeah,

maybe on the same cell phone plan, you know. I mean that's I mean, we're married, bro, I don't Let's take one step at a time, um, lace. I also want to ask you about this. Uh, only twenty percent of women believe in love at first sight. So my question to you is, do you believe a love at first sight? I don't know how to answer this. Um yes, And now, like I feel like after the first date, I knew that, like Trenton and I are going to blast forever. Oh that's so sweet. How do you know

after one day have this good intuition? You guys should totally get matching tattoos. Leave me alone. They are on the same page about everything, So we've talked about it. That's so sweet? Is insane? Well, they always say, we always say communication is the most important thing to have in a relationship. Yeah, so you're you're saying you knew right away that he was the one. It was after that first date. I was like, yeah I did, And he said he myself, it's cool listening to this. No,

he's working. Okay. Cool. I was gonna say we had we would have to bring him in if that were the case, He'd love to. He's a great speaker. Can you say what he does? Um? He actually is a director of sales for pharmaceutical sales and he has multiple investment properties. Damn, you found a good one. I did. Um. But well, this isn't kind of goes along with your relationship right now as well. The status of current committed relationships began online, which is not shocking at all. I

feel like everybody's beating online today. Yeah. I feel like I feel like five years from now to that number is gonna be a lot higher because I feel like online dating is really just starting to take off, you know. Yeah. I feel like, Okay, where'd you meet? Oh, we're at on a hinge. It's just so common now, doesn't seem so. It's so funny too, because like four years ago, people would like make up stories about how they met when in reality, they met on Tinder or some thing because

they were like ashamed of it. But now people are like, it's just way more commonplace. Yeah, I'm glad it's becoming more commonplace because You're right, Dean, I feel like there is used to be this stigma against it, which is so weird because all you should really focus on is achieving happiness, no matter how you get there. And like even for me, when I was on dating apps, you know, before one on the show, I was always ashamed. I was like, oh, I don't want people to know that

I'm on plenty of Fish. My my sister met her husband on plenty of fish, you know, and fish is so terrible. No, I love I love plenty of fish. My my brother in law came from plenty of fish. Funny memories of plenty of fish. Wow, I was. I was skiing with this guy the other day in winter park and he was like, so, how'd you meet your girlfriend?

And I hate that question because it just opens the door for so much more like follow up conversation, and so I'm always I always just tell people that she slid into my d M s. You know, you lie unless I'm like, unless I like the person I'm talking to, and like I'm ready to have like a full Converse station, and then I'll be like, yeah, we met on a TV show, but I don't. It's not necessarily a lie because she did slide into my d M s and we like talked in the d M s before even

going on Bachelor Paradise, So it's not technically a lie. Okay, yeah, that's true. Actually it's just not the whole truth. Yeah, I I I usually tell people that ashe and I met on TV show, usually like it's it's always funny to me whenever I go golfing and I get paired up with a random two and it's like a buddy of mine and they're like, you know, we're just talking. I'm like, oh yeah, I've been married for a year now,

and they're like, oh, where'd you meet your wife? And I was like, a funny story, we met on a we met on a show called Bachelor in Paradise. How did you? Usually usually like it changes, it's so funny, and I'm sure you guys can attest this where like people will treat you differently once they know that you're on TV. Weirdly enough, like guys will like, you know, we're like busting balls or like I'm getting to know someone and then like, oh, yeah, we met on Bachelor Paradise.

And then I'll kind of kinda go into the story and are just like almost in awe a little bit, mostly in Rhode Island, so it's like, it's it's funny. I I always enjoy the reaction of people whenever I say it right, They're like start, they start getting more chummy with you, they get like more buddy buddy. Yeah,

like there's a business opportunity here. You know. It's interesting dating Trent and though because so many people would message him and be like you know who dating right and stuff like that, you know, because he wasn't on the show versus you guys dating really Yeah, people will message him and tell him about me or screenshot my stories because they already follow me, and then give him the detail. And I'm like, Okay, were they what were they saying? Yeah?

I think bad. No one said anything bad. They're like, oh my god, like what what is this? You know, but that's really funny. He must have felt pretty cool. I don't know, I'm not sure or like, what did I get myself into when the Yeah, either one could go either way really. Um, all right, last haf before we move on? Which one do I like the best? Uh? You know, let's give the last one. Eighty percent of women find money to be very important in a relationship, um,

which I agree with. If it's gonna be a long term relationship. If you think that this is going to be something that can be marriage material, then of course I think obviously money places a factors. It's it's kind of weird to say, but I just think it's true. Yeah, I mean, of course it's true, whether we want to say it or not. It's like, like you said, especially long term you want to have like a comfortable future.

I wouldn't say it's like obviously everything, but it definitely has to be factored into your decision making I feel like, yeah, on a date, like a guy that well money. No, yeah, I mean sometimes I feel insecure. My Ashley's walking into the room so rudely, I might add every week on the podcast Last she always walks into the room and interrupts, No, it's well. If I did this to her on her podcast, I say it all the time, there would be hell

rained upon me. Anyhow are you going to tell the podcasts that she's behind you naked, she's's well, she's not naked, she's got booty shorts on. Um. Well, what I was gonna say is Ashley, I don't mind saying this actually makes more more money than I and sometimes it's like a little insecurity of mine. But we talked about it. I told you, Jerry, that's why you gotta get the joint bank account. Kalin out earns me by a freaking mile, but we gotta join bank account. So it's cool. I

got I gotta I gotta contract right there. Yeah, same, so do I contract? Not really? Actually? Uh? We actually we bicker. Killen and I picker about money sometimes, Like, for instance, whenever I drive us places, I always use my credit cards, like pay for the gas and everything. But then whenever she drives places, she uses the joint credit card to pay for gas, and I'm like, well, I trick you on the trips and pay for the gas, but then you make us split gas when you places.

That's not fair. Also, I like never charged her for her half of the cell phone bill for the past like year, and then all of a sudden one day I was like, oh, hey, by the way, you owe me, like you for the cell phone bill that I haven't been charging you for and then like well like have to like pick her back and forth to like settle on an amount that seems more correct. But at the end of the day, it's not like the biggest deal

in the world, but it's just like still funny. Adulting sucks, Yeah, adulting, especially tax seasons. Forever on the corner, kid, it was way better. All right, we'll make sure are you stay tuned. We have some emails, of course, our favorite part of the podcast, your emails coming up right before we get to uh. But before we get to your emails, let's take a quick break. All right, welcome back to help

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jump right into emails. Mark uh if you want, you want to read some emails. I'm wearing blue oh so much confidence, just oozing off you blue share blue phone case. Um, it kind of like made me smile. There you go. That's just Mark though, that's just Marks or I think thanks. All right, here we go. This is from Jenny. I had just gotten out of a series of pretty intense relationships. It wasn't looking for anything serious. When I started dating a new guy. I entered into the relationship thinking it

would just be a fling and wouldn't last long. In the early dating phase, I slept with someone else, still thinking the relationship wouldn't last longer than a couple of months. Two and a half years later, I am head over heels in love with this guy. We lived together, we see a future together, et cetera. Do I tell him about the guy I slept within the beginning? Technically that was cheating as we were in a loose relationship at the time. And if sty together, or do I just

forget it about it? Because nothing good would come from telling him? Help, Because, like I want to say, some things are better left on said. But m hm okay, I think, oh, man, I think you tell him. I think you tell him here, I don't know. I just think that he'll forgive you. I think he'll forgive you if you tell him. If he finds out on his own, God forbid he finds out on his own, then it

seems like you were hiding it from him. Half years later, Yeah, but now if she thinks like, oh, I'm gonna marry this dude, and I might have like technically cheated on him in early part of the relationship. I would just be nervous that if he finds out from someone else that she did technically cheat on him, would he lose trust in her rather than her just being like, hey, listen, I want to be upfront about you because I want

to spend the rest of my life with you. Um, there was this thing two and a half years ago, right when we first dated. I was confused and something happened and that was it. I don't know, I don't know. I respect the honest David. That's tough. I agree. I think that. At first I wanted to say, don't tell him, but after hearing Jared's explaination, I agree, you gotta tell him. You just gotta preface it and be like, hey, there's something I gotta get off my chest. Not a big deal.

But like when we first started talking, I also looked up with someone else, uh way before we were you know, solidified, and um, what's the word I'm looking for? Uh? I guess right, like whatever it is, So like, I think that's probably the move that way, like, let him make his decision. If he doesn't want to be in the relationship, God forbid, obviously, so be at least you were the

one that told him and came clean. And in my opinion, for the record, I don't necessarily even think that she did anything wrong, and I think that to be stated because if they're especially in the beginning stages of relationships, when things are so loosely defined, it's like, well, it's like, you know, it's fine. In my opinion, that's kind of why I was thinking, maybe just leave it alone, because she technically wasn't with him. Yeah, that's a good argument too,

because then like what do you deal? Let go back and recount every time he hooked up with a girl before they were even together. I think there's two big questions here that we don't have the answers to that would help. On this one, what discussions were had at the time. Had you had any talk about being putting a label on it, putting commitment on it? Boyfriend girlfriend? Was that happening at all? Because if not, you're probably fine.

And the second question is who is this guy? Is it someone you both know, because that's going to be weird and increases the odds that he would find out again someday it was it a rando and he'll never find out. I still leaned towards telling him, but who it is has a big impact on that. Yeah, I could see going either way. I think for me personally, I'm such a paranoid person. I'd always be nervous that they would find out and that that would then they would lose trust in me. But I can also agree

with Lace, like doesn't really matter at this point. It was two and a half years ago. Were you even together then? Who was kind of loosely defined? Yeah, I don't know. I kind of I don't know. I could see it going both ways to now. It's like because like if you tell him that, then like what else are you expected to tell him about all of your

other previous relationships? That's kind of mine. That's like the thing because like if I think about it, like I, you know, from years ago, back in my promiscuous days, like let's say, hooked up with someone that I'm now like still good friends with, and now like if Kyla and I are hanging out with that person, isn't it kind of just make it more awkward if I say, hey, calein by the way, I hooked up with this person

eight years ago. Take that information as you well, but like that's the truth, Like it almost makes sense just to not even say anything at all. My question is, would say the you were in the opposite position, Say you were hanging out with Klin and this dude and it was a friend of hers, but they had hooked up eight years ago? Would you want to know? Would you not want to know? I don't know. I mean, you're right, I think I probably want to know. But at the same time, if I don't know, what do

I care? Because I don't know what about you? Lace? What do you think? I actually just had this conversation with some of the other day, um, because my last X would like, we'd go to a bar and run into someone and he'd be like, did you have sex with that person? I'm like, why would you even want to know that? I want to know? If I like, it's just weird to me. So that's a weird way of approaching it, trust me, I know. So, Um, I don't know. I just I think some things are just

better left on side. I think it's going to open a candle worms, you know what I mean. Like to her point point, in talking about previous hook up. Yeah, whenever I think about that stuff with Kalen, like I remember, like I wonder who she hooked up with before me, like that, like weird thought that. I feel like it's just natural and everyone gets at some Yeah. Yeah, I always think about like I have I have literally zero place to get upset about anything because whatever she did,

I probably did thirty times worse. So like I'm just like super grateful that I don't even have to worry about it. All right. This is from Mercedes. Since now that Jared is married and Dana is dating, my question is to do Ashley or Kalen ever listened to the podcast? Are they ever offended about what has said? Or do you advise them not to listen? If they do bring up something you said on the podcast, how do you

handle it. I'm very lucky in this sense because whatever I say on the podcast, Ashley has definitely said something ten times worse. That's just Ashley's personality. I know who I married. Read sometimes she just has word vomit. I hear her talking on her I don't get a podcast and she's talking about like kind of in detail, a little bit us, you know, trying to make a baby, and I'm like, ash, don't say stuff like that. She just came in shrugging, like, well that's what I am.

It's okay. I love you for it. Well let's ask Lace, Lace, are you gonna let Trenton listen to this podcast? Ah? Yeah, I think, Oh, no, Qualt, are you gonna encourage him to listen to it or just like let him listen to it if he wants to do this morning he asked me, He's like, should I listen to it? And I'm like, I don't even know. I didn't know what to expect from this one, but I think this is more interesting. I just did one with the twins. He wouldn't he would be bored, right, because it was like

girl talk, But this one's interesting. Sometimes girl talk is like it kind of would be interesting to get a peek into your girlfriend's girl talk about you know, not too. But I also am curious some of my answers on this of what he would think. Yeah, I very early

online courage Klin not to listen to this podcast. She listened to like the first episode after we started dating or something like that, and I was like, why did you listen to it like there's no real reason for you to listen to it, and basically everything I say here I say to her anyway, So it's like not the end of the like, not for that reason. I just I just I think it's kind of weird. Well, Calin. Also, I feel like Kalen, for going on a reality TV show,

is kind of a private person. She she comes off that way. Yeah, she is pretty private, I suppose, and I respect that a lot. I'm kind of like the like I private as well, but I like, yeah, I don't like, I don't have any um qualms about talking about certain things obviously, but so yeah, so I don't think you'd ever get mad. I mean, it's funny. There is a episode like a couple of weeks ago, I can't remember what it was, but she like read the description of it for some reason and she goes, why

were you guys talking about this? Like what a random thing for you to be talking about, Like I kind of want to listen to it. And I was like, well, whoever writes those descriptions, which I think is Eastern you know, likes to embellish a little bit and get get a little creative in there. Yeah, yeah, which is and that's what I told her. But um, but yeah, no, I encourage your not to listen more so just because it's like, I don't know, like I'm obviously super sarcastic all the time,

and it's just I don't know, pointless to listen. We should just really start making these headlines like full on click bait and just completely lie about what we talked about in the podcast, like this one Easton should be. Dean tells the time he almost broke up with Kalin. Yeah at Jared on the brink of divorce with Ashley. Yeah, Lace married Yeah uh good times, good times. Well a Lace. Thank you so much for joining us on the podcast this week. We really appreciate it. You were uh, you

were great to have. It's always good to have a female perspective because Dean and I just really ramble about stupid guy stuff. Yeah no, this is this is fun. No, thank you so much, and you have to come back soon. Um, thank you too, Jenny and Mercedes for emailing us. We really appreciate it. Thank you to secure components dot com. If you guys need masks and mass of course on the way to go, make sure you go to Secure Components dot com to get those today. Lace once again,

thank you for joining us. Of course, everybody can follow you on Instagram. Where else can they find you? Instagram? That's it? Gram Dean any Dean Lace, any thoughts for you before we go? Um, next time you have me, we can have trenton On here like looking about if you can have like a couple of perspective right then you can get both of us. We'd love to. We'll just have trenton On if that's okay, I'm gonna sit here in the background. Yeah, with a gun to his back.

Say that sounds like a great idea. UM. I would like to just say, oh gosh. I would just like to apologize for my technical difficulties today. I like was on the top of the mountain, or not the top of the mountain. I like left the mountain early to get settled into my van. Had full service on my phone, and I was like, Okay, this is great, I'm being responsible. I'll be there. And then I logged on and like there was there. It was like fake service. It didn't

actually work. So I would like to apologize for my who would have thought there'd be spotty WiFi on the top of a Mountain. Well, I'm not at the top anymore. And then also like now I'm parked on the side of the road and there's a bunch of big trucks driving by. So if you hear big trucks driving by, I would also like to apologize for that. I'm sorry. Montana not the best in terms of cell phone coverage, but here we are. Anyways, Thank you guys for putting

up with me. Lace you rock. It's great to catch up with you and hear how great things are going for you. Were stoked Jared freaking moving to Rhode Island. Dude, what a bomb you just dropped on us this episode. You're crazy. I want to talk to you more about that next week. Um. Thank you to the listeners, be sure tune next week where maybe we suck just a little bit less. Follow help by Suck at Dating on I Heart Radio or wherever you listen to podcast h