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missing out because it's fantastic. Jared, I guess we'll get to this in a second, but apparently he hasn't really watched much of the show anyways. It's it's a great show. It's it dives into dating and what it's like to agree to date someone that you've never even seen in person before. It's basically the exact opposite of dating apps, which is pretty cool. Um And we have a very special guest on this week's episode that was from that show. Should we tell them who it is right now? Yes?

Can you say the name? It is? Jeannina Belly? Yes? Who she's like the most popular contest Sonomy. He was my favorite contestant on the show. She was the one who, when proposed to she proposed back right, Well, yeah, we'll come We'll get to that point later on. But yeah, she proposed, she got proposed to and then proposed back. Fantastic story, great love story. But then she got left at the altar. But then it turns out that they got back together. So maybe we can get a little

more inside and what happened between then and then. But Jared, so you haven't seen Love. You've seen a couple episodes. I've seen a couple episodes so well, I've seen like bits and pieces. I don't watch dating shows, which is obviously the most hypocritical thing I could say, because I met my wife on a dating show. But I I I don't. I don't watch every episode of Bachelor. Um Ashley is obsessed with Love is Blind. It's what the number one show on Netflix, and it has been for

quite some time now. I didn't see Daylight for a solid forty eight hours. You just powered through. I powered through that I would accorded to it. I would go home, I would stay up an extra hour just to finish it, knowing I've worked early next morning. I thought you meant that there was a show called Daylight that I was missing out on. As Daylight, you met actual daylight because you stayed inside. So what's so addicting about it? Because everybody is obsessed with this show? What is what? What

is it? I think it's just because it's a social experiment. They got a pretty good cast, they're all pretty different in so many different ways, and then they all enter into relationships that are all super different. Like, for instance, every time Cameron and Lauren were on screen, Calin was always like freaking out, like every like every single time Cameron came on screen, Kalin had to say, Cameron's so so in love with this girl, like every single time,

like without fail. She was like, Cameron's obsessed with Lauren. And it's true. It's like you watched their story unfold and Cameron is is absolutely upset with Lauren. It's just interesting to see that dynamic unfold, especially because he's blite and she's black, and they talk about that a lot

on the show. And then you see like Gianni Ginina and Damien Uh, and honestly, I don't I didn't really think that their relationship was all that great, Like you always see them arguing with each other, you always see them so mismatched. Uh. And then who else is there? There's Barnett, Jessica, Barnett and an Amber love triangle. Barnett and Amber. They're an interesting couple. And then that's I

didn't like Jessica. She just she just really seemed Jessica and Anthony right, the older woman and the younger man. And Mark. This name is Anthony, So Marcus his name, I'm sorry for I'm just hearing Mark Anthony over here. I couldn't get over. I couldn't get over how like critical and judgmental she was consistently being of Mark. Well,

let's set this up for Jared. So, Jared, this is a girl who are a woman who was thirty four years old, and she ended up having feelings towards someone who's twenty four years old, and she was very hung up over the fact that he was this much younger. And I would like to know your guys thoughts on would you ever be able to date ten years older or younger? I personally don't think it's an issue, but she made it seem like it was the end of

the freaking world. At the end of the world. Well, it's not the end of the world, but it's certainly a topic of conversation. But I don't like how people just say age is just a number. To a certain extent, I guess I agree with it, but at the same time, I also don't agree with it. Like you said, for example, Claire is a new bachelrette, she's thirty eight. Say she picked somebody who's twenty three, twenty four, You guys are

just gonna say age is the number. I mean there is a discrepancy just for just like this girl's thirty four and then the guys twenty four. I actually know who this couple is. This is I saw this. I saw her in the pod talking about their age difference, and sure she has. I mean, it's not the end of the world. I think she's probably being dramatic, but you have to talk about it. I think my point is is there's no like blanket, uh there. You can't just put a bandit over and be like nope, ten

a ten years is too much. This twenty four year old, time and time and time and time again, was like Jessica, listen to me, like I don't. I'm not a normal twenty four year old. I want to get married to you, I want to have your children. I love you. I'm here for you. I want to be the person that you need me to be. Like, this dude wasn't just a normal twenty four year old. He was all in. He was more mature than uh any thirty four forty

four year old in Los Angeles, for instance. Like the ten years is a big number, yes, but this kid, this dude was a kid. This dude is acting like the most mature man, I think, more so than a lot of the guys on the season. Even so, that's what was so frustrating with me was she was so fixated on them being ten years apart, and she was completely overlooking everything that he stood for and was about. And I think that it was just because she was

still so hung up on that Barnet guy. Well. Her her reasoning halfway through the show was that she said that she dated a forty one year old somebody who was about ten years older than her, and she felt like she had to speed through time to be where he was and kind of missed out on some things in between. And she was fearful of Mark going through

that as well. But I want to ask a question, would you guys have if dating older that means you would go into um having kids probably somewhat soon after that marriage and being a dad, and you would have to have a career established. Do you think that you would have gone back being like, yeah, I kind of wish I was in the party stage a little bit.

Or I think I think at the end of the day, it's not her to acsion to make for him, And that's what was so frustrating about it was she was projecting what she thought was best onto him, when in reality he was sitting there saying, no, I don't want any of that. I know what I want, or or she was protecting herself because she knew, like Tori said, she she's been there, she's been twenty four and she was like, in five years, you're going to regret it. And I know that you're gonna regret it. And I'm

not looking out for your interests. I'm looking out for mine because I know that day is gonna come. I don't know. I'm not saying she's right or wrong. I'm just being in Cotrain because I like doing that. I do think that, of course, if you're twenty four and you prove yourself over and over and over again that you are ready for relationships and then then of course she should look past that and take him for his word. But I do think that there should be a serious

conversation about it. But if she's being if she's taking out of proportion, then yeah, of course she's being ridiculous. Similar to Janina and Damien. I don't know if you saw this part of the show either, but they get up to the altar. Eventually he says I. He says, I do, and then they asked her the same question and she says, I do not. Jessica Tomorrow, Yeah, I think you're right, essentially rebukes Mark's offered to be her husband.

Let's just give okay. So the concept of the show, you're in pods for nine days, right, and you don't see each other, and then you fall in love because love is blind, and then you see each other and then you're you have a month before you decide where they're getting marided or not. It's kind of like thirty

day fiance. So you have the pods. You essentially asked that person to marry you in the pods without ever seeing them get engaged, and then the next day there's a wall that comes up and it's like first reveal of your partner that you already agreed to marry. I think they all asked them again if they wanted to marry them after seeing them, like, hey, do you still want to marry me? And they're all like yes, yeah.

So it's like after ten days they hit a point where it's okay, do you want to take this to the next step? Will you marry me? And they say yes, Oh my gosh, and then they spend a week in Mexico. Well, and then they have the grand reveal where they meet each other, which is what you're saying, they get down on one knee and repropose. So there were a lot of times where even Mark index Jessica when they were having is too is, he was like, I literally got on a knee and reproposed to you, and you saw

who I was, and so why did you say yes? Then? If you were having hesitations right there in that moment, and I don't think we saw anyone say no at that point, right, they all said yes? And I think it's also it's but let's be honest, you're you're human, You're in front of cameras. There's so much pressure on these people, you know. I always think you ever seen The Night Before with Seth Rogan and Joseph Gordon love It at the end of the movie. So throughout the

movie Joseph Gordon Love It. He's having troubles with his girlfriend and they break up, and so at the end of the movie, his buddies are like, you should be doing like this grand romantic gesture for so what he does in front of a party. He goes up and he proposes in front of like four hundred of her coworkers, and she goes yes, and he's like, oh my god, that's amazing. And they get off stage and she's like,

why the hell did you propose? And he's like, you just said yes, and she's like, of course I'm going to say yes. Like I'm surrounded by all my friends, like friends and family. I'm not going to embarras like I'm not gonna say no. And so I'm curious in situations like this, if someone like Jessica just felt the pressure of sing yes and she's like, I We'll just we'll figure it out later. I'll say yes right now,

We'll figure it out later. And maybe she got to a point where at the altar she knew that there was no going back what makes that difference in the Bachelor or Bachelor at It doesn't doesn't. So you think people have been pressured to say yes names. I mean, I think there are people. I'm sure you can look up stories where people feel like they got engaged far to I mean, far too soon. Uh. And I'm also not talking about producer pressure. I'm just talking about pressure

of society. And you know, listen, we we sign ourselves up for the show, but we also I don't think every realistically think by the end of it we're going to be down on one knee or saying yes the proposal. But I'm I'm you know, like, um, I don't know. I don't want to name namething. I think there is one that's been pretty public as a friend of the podcast, Taylor Nolan was h was put on the spot with Derek and she she's been pretty open about that. I

think he's been open about it as well. She was like, I didn't want to say no in from of all those people, even though she didn't really want to get married at that time. You know, I have the maybe way too longer that would have changed things. I'm sure if you asked Grant and Lace, they would probably say that maybe they got engaged too soon. I'm sure you could look at any failed engagement Ben and Lauren, Nick and Vanessa, Chris and let's get been on right now?

Christ Crystal. Oh um, yeah, I don't know. It's always awkward. We have a question. This is such a new concept. But obviously The Bachelor has been going on for a long time now. If this were to all start again and this show came out and The Bachelor just came out, which show would intrigue you the most? To go on Bachelor? Still? Yeah? Okay, but why these I would get a traveler in the world in the prospect of not seeing something, were going to go to Yeah, cool, privileged. We went to Mexico

for paradise. That's a good point. Some of us even want to fuse for paradise. Yes, I did. Wait what, I went to Bachelor in Paradise, Australia before actually and I were together. I didn't know that I went at the same time that she did Winter Games. I went down there for two weeks, made it through five rows ceremonies, didn't kiss anybody. I somehow miraculously just coasted right by as only I can do. Uh. And then I got back, and then she filmed wunch of games and then obviously

everything changed. But where was I Alfiji were traveling? The prospect of not seeing someone for ten days, Um oh, that's scary. Do that kind of intrigue you. I think I'm a pretty good judge of facial structure based off of voice alone. I think I do a pretty good job of painting a picture in my head of what someone looked like, just based off how they sound. Like. When have you ever detailed like whenever you put effort into that? Listen. I'm not saying that I've done it before.

I'm just thinking that, and I would be pretty good at it. This has zero credibility credibility. I think that I would be pretty good at gauging whether i'd be physically attracted someone based totally off the voice. I'm just saying that. I don't think you're literally saying that if a dog barks, you'd be like, yep, that was it. I think you can't tell. I'm not saying whether they're gonna but what breed they're going to be a human, But I'm going to be able to say whether I

think they're going to be hot or not. Why not we have to test this theory out. If a dog barks next zero, If a dog barks, I could be like, that's a cute dog. No, we should have someone that he We should have we should have a producer or somebody that works that I hear, and then we will record an episode and she will be behind the wall. Actually want I want her to talk to cry and then no, no no, no, it doesn't have to be cupid.

When you say you can describe the person, would you be able to tell like brunette blonde, but chen cleft nose, you'd be able to go into a little bit of details. Do you think you could get a little details? Two pierces, two piercings on their left ear hip? Oh? Absolutely high. I don't think we'll do We shouldn't do what? Yeah? Yeah, okay, maybe you do sound a little I don't really think about it. I don't really want to get it. Would

do this? It sounds fun? All right? Next week on half my second day, they we're going to have a pot experiment. I would somebody in the next few minutes to do it here, to do it at the very end after we in your view, we know everybody here though we don't know. We might have I don't know. We'll figure it out if we can't do exactly, but that the prospect of not seeing someone that you're talking to for nine days would scare me as as I'm sorry,

but of course as anybody. I'll just admit it. Physical attraction is a huge part of a relationship, and so the idea of falling in love with someone and developing such strong feelings and not seeing them, because then in your head it's like, well, what what if I'm not attracted to them? And beauty is an eye the beholder. I'm not saying like attraction is only one level, right, Like what I find beautiful is different from what Dean finds beautiful, and what you find beautiful is different than

what actually finds beautiful. But like, what if this person isn't Like do you think this would be harder on men than females. Um, I think it's the opposite. I think it would be harder on females. For instance, Jessica and Mark. Jessica Marcus a little shorter than the rest, shorter than average, and Jessica saw him and she was like, whoa, you're too short, when in reality he was like, look, I'm five nine, you know, like this is how tall

I am, and yet she still listening to it. I think that there's I think that men are maybe better at gauging the the physical compatibility of the partner off of the voice. So no, do you guys think you all men? And I'm pointing to you two are a little shallow, but we are, you know, representing representing all

men on this podcast? Here are you all shallow? A little ounce of you you look deep and you're like a little Everybody is a little shallow, And if you don't think you are, you're probably maybe a little narcissistic. I know I'm being a little harsh. Maybe I don't leave that. Well, what I'm saying is like, but from the shallows, Um, I just I well, what do you think? Yeah? I agree with Jared. I think you know that on

that everyone is a little shallow to varying degrees. It doesn't matter guy or girl, It just matters person to person. Maybe on average guys are slightly more shallow, But that doesn't mean that women aren't shallow, you know what I mean. Here's what I will say about this little love is Blind experiment. I do find that once I get to know someone, they become either more or less physically attractive,

like attractive in my eyes. They you know, like when when I get to meet someone who's very, very, very attractive, but their personality sucks, they become less and less attractive to me. And on the flip side of that, I met Kyle Kylin looks the exact same as the day that I met her, but I'm more attracted to her now than I was back then. And actually, there you go.

So there is something to be said about that. So maybe they already have in the back of their head this physical attraction with them just based on their personality. I don't know. Anyways, Well, we're gonna find out because Janina is going to come and we are going to ask her some questions. Get to the root of all of these questions. Hopefully that's gonna come up next. You're not gonna want to miss it. Love is Blind. Janina Jibelly is going to be joining us. Stay tuned for that.

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Janina Jibelli from Love is Blind. Everyone has been obsessing about this show lately, right, Hello, I guess it's the number one show on Netflix. Genie, and thank you for coming. And Genie that I'm sure if you're listening to this, you probably are, you know, because she's one of your favorite from the show. You are one of the fan favorites by by a lot. I think, thank you. Yes, i think I'm in the top three. Yeah, I'm on to put you on that. Beto still absolutely how is

everything going? So she's on the show Love is Blind. We talked a little bit at it a little bit at the top of the podcast. I've seen every episode, just finished it last night. But actually I have some questions for you. But before we do that, can you just tell us a little bit about how you ended up on Love Is Blind? Yeah, of course. Um. So, I was actually at a bar with a couple of my girlfriends and I was telling them how there are

no more men for me in the city. And at that moment, my phone let up and it was this d M on Instagram from this woman that was casting, and I picked up the phone right there, and then she told me that I could potentially fall in love with someone without meeting them, and then you could have a wedding. And I was like, this is weird and this is never gonna happen, but your timing is actually perfect because I had just given up all hope and

I'm a little weird, so maybe it works out. And I never thought I was going to actually get picked to go through the process, but all and behold, I'm here sitting with you guys and talking about me right now. And this was as this was like two years ago, right because that films like a year and a half plus a year and a half ago. Yeah, so you know, there was this piece of my life that was just out there in the universe and not knowing whether it was going to come out or what was going to

happen to it. And but it was good to have that time for you know, with myself and with Damien, and we were able to really build a strong bond. When was the reunion show filled? The reunion show was built up like three weeks ago, okay, so it was recently filmed. It was resent and this is this is my question that I wanted to get to you later, but we're here, so might as well ask it now.

Is the last episode he leaves you at the altars essentially, right, and then we don't really see much from you guys until the reunion, and then even at the reunion we kind of just brush over it, like you guys are dating. I felt like, right, it was like so abrupt in my opinion, So what happened between the ending of the last episode and the filming of the reunion that we didn't get to see? Yeah, So basically that night actually I reached out to him and I was like, what's

going on? Here because I'm really direct. I don't like to waste time, and I just did the wedding night of the wedding, Yes, the night of the wedding, and I just don't want to lose sleep over it. And we had just gone through this such an amazing journey together and he did want to date me, and um, maybe a marriage wasn't right for us, but doesn't mean that we can explore relationship outside of this. But I was like, okay, can't we be friends. Let's just not

leave it on a sour note. And then what ended up happening was we just kind of like held each other and cried it out, and he snuck us back into our old apartment and we've been together ever since, ever since, ever since. And has there been because the issues that we saw on the show, and correct me if I'm wrong, but it seemed like there was sometimes

like a lack of passion. I remember that was one of your big arguments, was you were upset how sometimes to just grab you and like, yeah, express himself right, And so I have those issues that you guys have experienced at least that we get got to see on the show. Is it something that you're continually working on. Is it something that seems to be water under the

bridge at this point. No, he definitely fixed that. I mean he would tell me like, you know, I'm holding back and holding back, and I was like, why are you holding back? And I mean we just really met each other, so I can understand why it takes a while to get into that rhythm. But yeah, sometimes I just have to be like, can you just not touch me right now? Like I'm trying to focus. So it's nice, like we're you know, we've definitely have that passion and

our relationship. It's just really good to know that we can have that open communication, which isn't always always easy because you guys are very opposite, but opposite intact, as they always say, Yeah, we balance each other out. I'm like that spontaneous, let's do this, let's you know, be loud, let's last minute, and he's just like, well, let's think about it, let's plan. I'm like, no, let's do it

right now. So it's definitely a good balance because he keeps me out of trouble and I get him in trouble. You were um because I watched the show with my girlfriend and every time you were on the screen. We were like, all right, because you you were like really good at like emoting, and you you explain what you're feeling really well. And then you also like like you look like you're feeling too, which is pretty cool, Like you can like see visibly how either upset or happy

you are at all times. And so every time you were on camera, I was like, all right, here we go. This is gonna be interesting. And I don't know, I just always appreciated whenever you were on the show because I knew that we were gonna get something that was real and authentic. Um I personally I thought when you and Damien were, you know, arguing and all those times, I was always like, this is gonna end so poorly. And then you would like run into his bedroom and

you guys would start making out. I don't know, it's just such an interesting thing. And people always think that bachelors on a condensed timeline, but you guys, like you said, you barely knew each other. Well after the Pods, we felt like we knew each other for like a year. It was a true experiment in the sense that you're there for nine days, but you lose sense of all time and space really, so you're like, what years it really?

And um, you go through so much release of like who you are and you face these obstacles with this person before ever meeting them, that you're like, I've known you forever, um, and then you actually see them and that's when like a lot of like the physical external attributes just kind of start hitting you across face and um, I mean to your point, like, thank you so much for just saying that, like you liked seeing me, because my entire life I was like, I'm so weird, Like

I feel like I talk in circles and everyone always says that, like my face is so expressive and and these are things that people would tell me in a negative way. But the fact that it's like this is me and that's who I was on the screen and people appreciate that, I'm like, thank you so much. I mean, yeah, as long as you can embrace that. So, so after the first or after the last episode, how did your father react to you guys kind of kicking things back

up again? My dad, So I don't know if you can tell, but when Damien tells me, no, my dad is actually very relaxed. And I think it's because he knew that we needed more time, and he loves he loves Damien to this day, and he liked him then too. It's just again that that condensed timeline. There's just so much pressure, and my mom just wanted to kick his ass, right um. But she she was the one that ran

out after you and consold you. Yes, yeah, um. And you know she didn't like to see me being rejected up there, and my dad wasn't happy about that either, But the fact that they both liked him and just knew that we needed more time, And after I explained to them, I'm like, no, he treats me like a princess. He treats me like gold. Like we knew that already.

We just didn't like that. You saw, we saw the rejection piece, and I'm like, it's okay, Like we're gonna be fine, and everyone's a big happy You don't have any like secondhand embarrassment by that. No, I don't really get embarrassed. I just I just, yeah, I don't like to dwell. I really just learned from my mistakes, because if not, I would probably in the be in the

corner in a fetal position. Right now, I my family and my friends just have like this like saying where it's like that's such a G thing, or like that's such a G moment because I am constantly like impulsive and abruptive and things happen to me all the time. So if I was embarrassed, I wouldn't be here right now, was there? So there basically was no downtime between that um essentially leaving the wedding day and then you guys

like reigniting at least an interest in dating each other. Right, It was basically like, Okay, that's done with let's remove the pressure of marriage, but let's at least like date each other regularly. Now, Yeah, pretty much. And I think what we told each other was just like let's just take it day by day, you know, like we're not engaged. We don't have to be a boyfriend and girlfriend, but like we both know what the other one is going through and we love each other, so let's just see

how we are tomorrow. Let's see how we are the next day. And a year and a half later, I can't believe it's been a year and a half. So they spent a year and a half essentially editing the show. It sounds right because how long has it been on Netflix? For it's been on Netflix if I think about a month, right, I'm sure it's not just editing. I'm sure there's a lot that goes into a show. Whatever it's besides filming

and editing. To cut, you put a few clips together, put it on Instagram, good to go, and that's it. But there was like so much foot issue, guys. So for nine days alone in the pods there was four over four of footage and there was thirty of us. So I guess like being able to pick which stories they wanted to find and the storylines and I don't know what goes on behind the scenes and cameras were put were filmed. That's insane. Yeah, with this show. This

is this show dwarfs anything Batcher has ever done? In my opinion, do you feel any pressure to now be in a public relationship, to be in a public relationship, We'll like think about it because before your relationship, now you know, the only people that cared about that relationship

where your your friends, your family, whoever else. But now have a million plus people that are familiar with your story and outlore than that, they're invested in you and your boyfriend so it's like, do you feel pressure from that at all or not? Really? No, I think we're I handle like the social media aspect and all of that.

I think like pretty pretty normal, pretty well. If they want to know more about my relationship or hey, let's I want to see pictures of you and Dame, like cool, I have a whole album that I wasn't able to post for a year and a half, So that's fine. Um as far as like wanting to know super intimate details, like I do want to create boundaries, but if people want to have, you know, maybe ask for advice about how to deal with telling your boyfriend that you want

the sex to be better. Like those are things that I'm happy to talk about. How how is it, like, so, did you have to hide your relationship kind of but not really? I guess kind of not really because you can't post online because once the show you didn't want the show to be spoiled once people started watching it. But then you could probably tell your friends family because nobody at the time you know, your friends, family and people you care about obviously knew who you guys were

or that you were dating. So you're kind of hiding a but not really, we're like producers always calling you guys catching up. No, it was just crazy, Well except for the great, wonderful Fani obviously exactly. I mean I have I have my favorites, but right we all have to. But I think is my favorite obviously, Yes, Tori, Tori, You're great. She was gonna shop my head off, I think, you know, because we were just focusing on, you know, having a normal relationship. We people would ask us, hey, like,

how did you meet? And so we wouldn't be like we've been on a dating show, because honestly, we would forget sometimes. I don't know about you guys, but we would just be like, oh, like that actually happened. But I think it's different for Bachelor, just because it happened so quickly, Like literally it airs two months after films,

so you're kind of still in the middle of it. Yeah, And if that would have happened to us, I don't know if we would be together because it's just so much happening at once, and my feelings were so raw and we had to, you know, just like build ourselves up after such a big disruptive thing happening to our lives. But we would just tell our friends that we met

through mutual friends. I feel like people from Bachelor's say, or at least some people say they fell in love on the show, but they didn't start dating until after the show. Do you relate to that? You work your way backwards. So in the show, I was like, it's like Benjamin Button, like, you know, you fall in love and you you're engaged, but we're still getting to know each other. Um and so that's why I think the fact that we're still dating is just such like a

normal flowing thing for us. Do you guys have plans for Well, where do you live now? Do you live together? No? So he lives. We live in our own different apartments, which is good with the same city, same city really look five minutes away from each other. Yeah, in Los Angeles, in Atlanta hopefully one day Los Angeles. Why did it seem like everyone was from Atlanta? Because they were. They were all from Atlanta. We all got picture and perceptive.

We were okay. Because Kayla and I were talking about the dull time, We're like, why are they all in Atlanta? This? I guess I didn't put that together. That makes sense. Well, I mean, if you're going to marry someone you want to, it's like, oh, you only live twenty minutes away from me. Dope, Like that's going to be easy, you know, And um so yeah, everyone's from Atlanta. Um. I do want to

talk about your podcast, Love Insight the Great Name. Before we do that, I just want to ask one more question about a timeline of the show, because I am the only person on the face of this earth who has not seen every episode. I admit this ironically enough. I don't watch a lot of dating shows. Actually don't watch any neither. So there we go. We can relate.

We've both been on dating shows and don't watch them. Um. But so it was nine days in the pods, then you saw Damien, and then how long before between seeing him in the altar getting married? Well, almost gonna be right, right right, having a wedding a few weeks, right, Ah? So I think collectively it was like four weeks since I saw him to the wedding, got it physically. What was his reasoning again for not wanting to get married? So I think, so you didn't watch the whole show,

but I was going through he It's okay. Not everyone has so it's great. It's like like I said, I'm the only person in the face of the Urse that hasn't. It's the number one show on Netflix for the past three weeks. I hear, it sucks you in. Even if my wife Seen has seen every episode, she's obsessed. That's awesome. Yeah, maybe she should be co hosting this podcast. We'll give her a call. So. I was going through a lot of like fears and obstacles and doubts because I just

met you and I love you both. Marriage is such a big thing, and you guys are both married, so you both understand it. Yeah, we're both married. Are you continue? Sorry? Are you married? Are you married? You answer our guest question? You were saying, oh okay. So Um, I was going through a lot, and I was putting him through a lot of challenges to figure out, hey, is this something that's right for me, and to see if how would

he react doing hard times? And he was passing with flying colors unknowingly to really me because I self sabotage YadA yadi. Yes, so Um, I think while I was going through that, he kind of flipped and was like, wait, well, I need time now because I want us to be like we're best friends and I don't want you to have doubts like you're good now, but how do I know that you're not going to change your mind next week?

And that's totally fair. Um. I couldn't give him an answer, a direct answer throughout the whole show pretty much, so how could I sit here and tell him you need to give me an answer now? So he told me that he would know when he saw me at the altar, and he felt like we still needed to grow as friends and to keep building a relationship before tying ourselves down to marriage because I'm a very free bird, and he felt that that would have kind of kept me

going to self sabotage. Okay, so the first time, first and only so far time that you guys have been together on an altar, it didn't go very well. Is there any plans or anticipation to be on an altar again together? Yeah, you guys are still engaged. No. So this is just a ring that my dad gave me from and the this is just a cute little thing that I like to put on the only finger that is a ring finger because I have fat fingers and this is the only one that fish. You don't have

fat fingers? This is a size nine. I don't know if you know what. I'm pretty sure a fat finger. This is a seven my ring fingers, So every time, I mean, I guess you're the same size. I don't have small hands. But um, so as far as being at the altar again, it's a little too soon for me right now. It's a little too soon, man, I can't. It's like fifteen years in bachelor world, right. But I my end goal was never like I need to be married by that time. I'm twenty eight and have like

five kids by that time. I'my. I've never been like that. So, um, if he wants to get married, if we both want to get married, I think it'll be just like very intimate, pretty much like an elopement type of feel to it, like in the hills of Tuscany, like with our closest family and friends and just have lester aditional Yes, thank you, that's amazing. That would be great. Um, So talk about

your podcast. We want to hear about it. Love Insight obviously play off of Love is Blind, right, look at that pun action, So Love Insight, Uh, it's a fantastic way to just get to know what happened behind the scenes or where did all the other you know, fifteen

love stories go? And um, it's good with Matt money Smith, so he's able to just kind of walk me through my first podcast experience, which is fantastic, and um, just really dive deep, really into what was it like in the Pods because we only saw like two episodes, but it was so life changing to everyone that was there, and just really get everyone's really just their their hardships and their obstacles and their successes and it was such a special, special experiment, true and true that it's only

fair that we get to just give you guys all the dirt. Are you still pretty close with a lot of the fellow cast mates? Pretty close? Yeah. So we have a big group chat called the pod squad um and so we just tease each other and make jokes and I just wish each other good luck. But as far as like all the girls, I love every single girl that was there. There's no bad blood whatsoever. Which one do you dislike the most? There's gotta be one, there's always one. He come on, spill a little bit

of juicy goss for us real quick. Which one can you just absolutely not stand? Oh my god, I'm not like, okay, so here's for you to wait for you to understand me. People would come to me and be like, I don't really like her, and I would say, well, I love her. I think she's hilarious. I think she's funny. So I really just try to find like the good pieces and everybody as far as like not really like liking anyone. I have like five friends in total, and that's just

who I am. But I kind of keep everyone like I'm your friend. But maybe I won't tell you everything about my life. I know, we gotta get you out of here. But one more question. Sorry, I feel like i'm bo barding you. Was there was there anyone um after having met them all besides Damian that you're like, oh, I could I give it a real shot with that guy? Really? So?

I thought all the men were beautiful, but I think because I had I saw them, I really saw them for who they were, and I was like, you're just my friend. I really I try to picture it all the time. I'm like, Okay, maybe like Kenny, like we're both aries, maybe he would have gotten my fire, but it's like, no, Kenny would have not like standing me for like two seconds. What's your birthday? A nice? Well,

scorpios are the best. I gotta say, whoever media trained you has done a fantastic job, because not one of these, like, not one of these questions is being answered in a like a nice mean vindictive way, you know what I mean, but also in a very vague informative way as well. Do you're perfect? Well? I got I have gotten zero media training. This is why you're made for a podcast. You're going to kill it. Thank you. So when is Love? Um? Love Insight? Is it out now? Love said it is

out now now, so go check it out everybody. It is an I Heart radio podcast, so you can get it wherever you get your I Heart radio podcast now, um and go check it out. Yeah, I Love is bond biggest show. It might, I mean it could be the biggest show of two thousand twice. You haven't seen zero episodes and it doesn't matter. That doesn't I didn't watch bird Box either, and that was like the biggest thing that Flix has ever seen. It was called birch Box.

That was bird Thank you so much for going. We appreciate it, and we look forward to tune into the podcast and seeing more of you. On our TV screens. Maybe one day. Yeah, you guys are fine. Hopefully I'll be less vague for you. Was great that this is a very big compliment. Thank you. I just wanted you to be like that. Pitching sucks for like that guy I wanted to bang his brains out, you know, Damien. Besides, okay, I swear I would have who would you have bang

their brains out? Down in Paradise. Besides, if I lead with a lot of like interesting inquisitive questions and I to a curveball, she would have just knocked it out of the part. I think that was the first time anybody referred to who would you bang their brains out? As an inquisitive question. That's what I was saying, was that I was leading up to those to be like, Okay, here we go. I guess I'm just going forward. I

got some trust and rapport with these guys. Well, we did all rite in journal, So maybe I wrote something in my journal that I'm not really picking up right now. You journal when you're in the pods, every single one of us, Yeah, they made you well. It was good for writing, you know, making sure that we had everyone like, let's say I had a date with Damien and he liked to travel, so I would say he likes to travel,

so that we wouldn't get each other mixed up. And then we also ranked each other, you know, one through fifteen pretty much after every single date to see, Okay, who's my number one, who's my number two? So everything was just kind of journal so that we would just keep everyone in line. Did you ever feel weird about ranking people they asked us to? Remember they asked me to do that one time in an interview, and it was like, okay, RANKR top three, and I was like,

I'm not doing this. I can't Like, I can't do that. It feels too weird to me. We would tell the producers right so that we would hopefully have a date with our top head totally, but it wasn't like, hey, guys, he was my top ten. So I was just like, all right, this is easily my first, second third, and

that's definitely my fifteen. That's fair enough. And actually I don't know why I didn't share this with Jared earlier because he hasn't seen the show, but when Damien, when Damian asked her to marry him, she actually in response, you got down on one knee essentially and asked him to marry. I heard about that, Yes you want, Yeah, he asked you would You said you wanted to ask him to marry. And I think I saw in the Origian too. You didn't plan that. That was just something

that just naturally happened to. Yeah, just the conversations that we were happening, and that were happening between us, and he was like, you're might equal and I'm like you're might equal to and he was like, this is how I'm expressing my love, So why couldn't I? And it was just it seemed as a better answer than just like, yes, I'll be your wife. I was like, nah, I can do better than that. So it was that something that ever cross your mind before and possibly proposing to a

guy instead of him proposing to you. I mean I always kind of like toyed with maybe, but I was never like serious about it. I always wanted to be the girl that was caught off guard. And um, I guess I caught him off guard. One of Ashley's best friends, who is a female, just proposed to her boyfriend New Year's Yeah, she did this whole setup and and uh,

go after what you want. Yeah. She apparently they had an agreement because he was actually quite upset about it at first because she always wanted to propose ever since she first started dating. She always wanted to propose to a guy, and then him, the boyfriend was actually at first pretty upset about it because he wanted to propose, and then uh, he should have just proposed back. Yeah, exactly,

you should have done what you did. I wander does it work in the opposite of that, like if I have always wanted to be proposed to, should I just hold out for someone to propose to? Actually? Let me let me ask the married man in the room who proposed. You were calin, Well, you're the married man in the room, but we're both married. Uh, you had a hard stop at three tendons. Thank you, Thank you for coming in. For the listeners out there, be sure check them out.

And Love is Blind and be sure check out janine is new podcast, Love Insight. Is it love Space in Space sight or love Insight Love Insight, Love Insight All one Word's an I Heeart radio podcast. It's gonna be as good, if not better than Help by second dating to check it out. I love it. Thanks all right, and we are back. We're going to answer a couple

of emails before we get out of here. Now that we have a little bit more insight on Janina and the Love is Blind process, does that Does that help alleviate any concerns that you have with them and their relationships? I didn't have any concerns going again? Did? She seems really cool. I'm I'm very happy that they've been dating for a year and a half. That's pretty incredible. I'm surprised by that too. It seems like a long time.

It's it is a long time, the year and a half you've been I mean, think of how long it feels like you've been dating Kalin. And that's since when in June? So it's only been like nine months. Yeah, so that's yeah, she's she's been in a relationship longer than I have. And I feel like I've been in a relationship for a lifetime already. Yeah, you have a dog. You guys have a joint bank account, cell phone plan, cell phone plan, wedding bands together. I was gonna say

she having her own apartment. Now, well we bought a house together. He said. Okay, now I know he's not married because I know for a fact you haven't bought a house together. She's renting in Venice. Life moves pretty fast. I don't know what to say, but no, I agree. I think watching the show, I was a little skeptical of the relationships. I think what you said to at the beginning of the episode was sometimes you get put on the spot and you're like pressured into saying yes

to an engagement. Some of those relationships I'm watching and I'm like, if there were no cameras around, would this relationship be working out? And with Janina at least, it's good to see that when the cameras weren't around, they're still dating and they're still figuring it out. How many couples lasted. There's two lasted from which part, Oh Barnett, Barnett and Amber and then Gigi and Damien, right, and so so three relationships. Two are already married, got married

they did and they're still married. Wow, that's awesome, very happy. And now they're huge their their hits, the shows that hit like Gi, for instance, a million followers on Instagram. It's like, for a year and a half they had no idea how this is going to be received. So it's like the fact that they went a year and a half in a relationship that they were just genuinely happy being in that relationship. That's I think pretty telling.

You know, like when you go on The Bachelor, you leave the show, you're in a relationship, You're like, Okay, this relationship is going to be received in some way by the public. But when you go on a show that's never been aired before, never been filmed before, it's like, well, I have no idea if this is even never gonna hit people's eyeballs because it's never been aired before. So they're staying it just because they want to be in

the relationship, which is great. And I'm surprised, I'll say it again that Genie gen Panini is lasted as long as Genie Pannini. Genina' Genina has lasted as long as she has with it. I didn't see it between ma'am and yet here we are. Um. You know what's different about going with loving blind the couples is very different from Bachelor because Bachelor is already such a known thing,

so people go on the show with certain expectations. Where love is blind, I think all of them were like, it was very genuine of just people genuinely being like I have, Like he's excited. Now the show's screwed, right because they can see what can It's like the first season the Bachelor. You know, you go on just for the fun experience and find love, and now a lot of people go on for like quote unquote things. She's

got a million followers. But the one thing I will say is they're not pulling from like everywhere, so you're not gonna get maybe your l A people or your New York people. It's like they're going to one destination, but only so they still could keep it. They still could keep it kind of genuine from that location. Or like you said, it's been a year and a half, what if they've already filmed other people? True, that's actually really good points. Yeah, they could already have four seasons

logged in. Nobody knew what hit the show is going to be, so it truly is very genuine, really good observation. Jared, Well, I'm hoping it's true. Yeah, well see, because you love the show so much the first time. No, I'm hoping it's true. Well, it's not about me, it's about the public, Okay, the people love it so much you're good. Plus, you know, we're we're we know we know the producers at the show, and we're you know, they're amazing. So i'm you're a

huge fan, every every second of it. Ashley is a huge fan, so I know she wants seventeen seasons to this thing. All Right, we're gonna answer one email and then get out of here. Just one. Let's answer one email really well and then get out of here. Okay, what if we answer really well, we want to do another one TBD. Let's do one and figure it out one day at a time, just like Genie Panini told us, one day at a time. Don't disrespect my giannia like that.

You're the one who said it. I kind of like today. Now. This one's from Leah. I've been single for four and a half years and I can't figure out why I'm unable to find someone to commit to me. I'm twenty seven. I live in l A, which I know makes it hard to date. I'll go on the dating apps my profiles as I'm looking for someone genuine and real. I'll date several guys over a couple of weeks, and within the bunch there's one that I'll have a genuine connection

with and see for a couple of months. Somewhere after catching feelings, the guy will always say I'm not looking to get into anything serious or will just slowly ghost me. The cycle has been repeating for years, and I'm beginning to get buried down and believe there must be something wrong with me. I just haven't been in love for six years and that makes me very sad and lonely. What advice can you guys give me to help have better success on the dating apps? Jared, you're the dating

X dating app guru? Uh sure? Um? Oh? Lee? God? That's is it Lee or Leo? I'm sorry, Leah could be Leia. I dated a girl then they say I'm spelling her pronuncation with Leo with l H. I think it's Leah. I think dating after tricky, especially in Los Angeles. I think that's a big, big bear you're to finding

someone serious. As someone that used to be on the dating apps from the male side of things, I was on those dating apps and I was never looking for anything serious, so I should really honest, I can say I could say that like a lot of the guys on that probably aren't looking for anything serious, but that doesn't that doesn't mean that there are no guys on there that are are not looking for some but it's

like finding a diamond in the rough. And then it's it's difficult because dating apps, you're guaranteed these guys are talking to you know, a minimum of like six or seven girls at a time, and even Leah says she's talking to other guys. Yeah, So it's like, how can you just solely focus your efforts on to one person

when you have, you know, this plethora of options. Maybe she should just take a quality over quantity approach, you know, focusing on one guy, like him a lot, love him hard, and maybe you should you should vocalize that to whichever guy you're talking to. So maybe I mean, don't put a pressure on it, but just say, hey, like actively try to go on a date with this person, or act at least set up times where you guys can meet up in person rather than just talk on the phone. Yeah.

I don't know, that's just one. That would be my biggest suggestion. I think if she really has the genuine real thing in her bio, which is funny, by the way, because that was the whole Madison, the thing that happened earlier in the season. Oh that's right. Um, I don't know if you should, like, maybe just make your bio just fun and lighthearted, like let's go get some tacos, Like that's what your bio should be, you know what I mean, and let them make the decision whether they

want to have a conversation with you or not. By saying stuff like that, it's like you're I think you're kind of weeding out. But doesn't she want to weed out those guys? Yeah? But like I guess, yeah, if you guys doesn't want something serious, you would want to weed them away. She would have weeded me out with that bio. But again, I wasn't looking for anything serious every when I was on the dating app, So I

guess you's a good point. So here's the question, Lee, did you want to date Dean on a dating app or not? Because if you do, If you do, then change your bio to like, I heart taco. But let's be clear about this. You're not dating Dean now. You're dating Dean from five years ago. You're dating first Paradi Steen. Yeah, and you don't want to date love Triangle. You don't want to date that. No one wants to date that. I don't want my worst enemy to date that d

So I'm not on dating apps. But this has been a segment wanting to do with you guys. So I took over my friend. She got dinner, and she was saying how she's been so bummed of her shortcomings of meeting guys. She's kind of hung up on this one that's not into her whatever, the one night stand thing. So I said, are you on dating apps? And she said yes. I said, okay, I get control over your log in and I get to select the people for you. Now they have no idea that they are talking to me.

So it's been a little controversial on the feedback of that. Um. But then once they say, hey would love to grab dinner or drinks with you, and I give them her number, catch her up on what's been chatted about, and then she can continue that and then goes on the dates

and she's gone about four and what's the feedback? So she's actually there's been times where she's like, uh, you, like I would never date this guy or whatever, like I don't know how to get red flags, and then she's like, I had the best of my life And then the ones that she does like, I'm like, you're not going on a date with him because she she's

she's not picking the right ones yet. So this is kind of like the love is Blind version of dating apps, except instead of not seeing the person, you just don't talk to the person right. And I will say something that does get a little complicated, because then I'll be She'll be like, what did you do this weekend? I'm like, oh, is that pebble beach or something? And I'm like, oh, wait, she wasn't. That was me And it gets a little tough.

But why don't you have you ever thought about? Sorry? Continue, I was gonna say, have you ever considered at that point where you hand them off to then be texting her and be like, hey, by the way, this isn't actually her. It's her best friend. But she believes all these things that I said, have at it. I just figured on the wedding day when I made of honor that I'll present it in that way. I have a question what happens if you start talking to a guy

and you start liking great question? Do you make the switch and be honest and be like, hey, listen, this is actually her. My name is Tory. I'm a friend of so and so. She told me to take over her dating apps. But I think that we have a genuine connection and I'd like to meet up with you. Would you ever do that? Because it doesn't work that way, because it's like on her bio it's like loves Lord of the Rings and I have never seen it. So a lot of them like fight that babe, Like well,

so here's what I was gonna say. So I want to the Lord of the Rings and I'm like, who is that? They start talking about Bilbo Baggins tories out like I love the gray guy getting up the weight over here for sure, I love Papa Elf and Buddy the Elfhilm. That has nothing to do with the rings. Not okay, but anyway, so there is I want to tease this segment to continue on the next week and maybe we kind of mark rate them or whatever. But

I screen. I've been screenshotting a bunch of um is it hinge hinge dating profiles to see what you guys think is a good way to set up a profile for a guy and if a girl should be like a red flag or being like oh no, he's got a good sense of humor or if he's being very weird. So let's see, don't hate me if I ask you on a date too quickly. I'd much rather get to know you in person than through an app. Ain't nobody got tom footet? This is someone's bio. This is somebody

who's like, you know, how you have the hinge? So this is Matt and it says don't hate me if I and then it insinuates you to write a response which I can reply to. I. There he is. It's quite literally how I said it. So he is a white man with a mustache, so he's obviously trying to be funny. When he says, ain't nobody got time for that? He spells it fo apostrophe d A T H. What are your thoughts? As a male? I appreciate his willingness to just die right in. I also appreciate his attempt

at being funny. Yeah, it's definitely an attempt. It's not a success, yeah, but at least it shows that he has some sort of person. And those things are always tricky too, because it's like those are like who answering questions about themselves like that, you know, but you get to pick which ones you want to show, so he could have done my favorite place to travel. His was, don't hate me if I ask you on a date too quickly, I might. I much rather get to know

you in person that through an apping. No. I also think see I think differently. I think that he's doing that because he thinks that's what women want to see, because so many women complain now and so many men complain as well. All we do is talk on the app. We never meet up in person, and so on his bio he's like, oh, I have an idea. I'll try to be funny and at the same time, I'll also let you know that I'm not the guy who's just going to talk on the app. I'm the guy who's

actually going to ask you on a date. Okay, So our consensus is it was it's a good good start. It's not good, it's not bad. I think it's somewhere. Well, what's our advice, That's what I'm saying. So I want her. Maybe she's picking the guys that are like she's not on the right app, or picking the guys that are like she's picking the wrong one. Can we do this? Can Leah give you the log into her dating app. Yeah, you let me know. I will be more than happy

to set you up on dates. Leah. If you're listening to this, you have her email obviously help. I'm sorry, it's just isucer dating at iHeart media dot com. You're gonna get Tori when you email that email address. When you email them, just ask for her phone number. Maybe you guys can connect or damn me because before it out, or better yet, let me your Jared run some of your dating app. We could have her send over her profile and see if we like her set of questions

that she has or how we can make up better. Yes, I agree we should do it. I think that's a great idea. I'm not also against the idea of me taking over her dating app for like a week. Maybe in figuring it out, I thought about doing that. I've never been on dating app. I was like, maybe I'll have Dean or like Derek Controlt, And I was like, that's the problem is Dean sometimes because I feel like your humor is a shock value, so like I'm shocked to hear that. I can totally see you give them

back your phone, Talia and be able like listen. I took some swings. Good luck. You gotta shoot for the fences. Yeah, there's this guy. His name is Dennis. I told him where he lived. Well, let's leave it up to Leah if you want that to happen. I'm all, I'm game for it. Bicycle Dating at i heeart media dot Com, we would love to at least dissect your dating profile. And I think that we can make a whole segment out of that too, because dating profiles are tricky, they're

not easy to make. There the good ones are very good and the bad ones are very very bad. And it's also week, and it's so hard to know what's good and what's bad. Like I think the perfect sample of the guy we read, we're like, oh, it's not bad. It's not great, but it's not bad. And we're want to help the guys. We're helping both every helping both sexist. I think that was the only one we should answer on this week. So oh yeah, no, I'm teasing that for the next Okay, great, so yeah, tune in next

week for that. Also, I want to point out to that Jared and i Ara Bile Sporting are very very delicious hashtag suck army beanies, right, now yeah, yes, I called them delicious, um and we have well, yeah, I have eight extra beanies and I want to give them away to you are faithful Suck Army listeners. So we're gonna do a giveaway on Instagram. Correct, you are going to do giveaways. This is what this is how we should have talked about this off air. I'm sorry for

the listening with this whole process, Stuck Army. We have not had a conversation about this. So you're gonna hear Dean and I hash it out right now. I want to do four separate giveaways, four giveaways of two beanies each. I'm going to think of two giveaway ideas. You think of the other two giveaway idea. Okay, my two ideas are. The first one is that's all gonna go through Instagram. Right.

The first idea that I have is tag on our next photo that we post on Instagram or whatever photo we ask you to tag tag the last person you went on a sucky date with, and then we'll send both of you guys hashtag suck Army beanie. That's that's and then say the least and then the next one I had or the next idea I had was tag your best friend who you love to suck at dating. With your best friend, your best girl friend, your sister, your brother, your mom, or whoever it is, we'll send

you to suck army being. Okay, I have one idea, but we talked about this idea. I'm surprise it's not one of yours when we first came up with the idea of doing being and giveaway. Um. So I'll describe it more on Instagram, but in Instagram Story, I want you to upload a video tagging us so we can see it of you doing your best. Help I suck

at dating. Chance Now it can be either a suck army chant, which is or like a suck chant, which is like sucks sucks, sucks, sucks, sucks, suck everybody, or the help I suck at dating, help I suck at dating. Whichever chance you want, I'm partial more towards the help I suck at dating. I think I am too, So if you want to win, probably use that one. The more public setting, the better use to your own discretion.

I want creativity, I want enthusiasm, personality. So whatever you think would make the best chance, and so they upload it on Insto story. And we'll let you know what the dates are so you can upload it in time, tag us so we can see it. And uh, so they let you know. Okay, gotcha, So they upload it to their own Instagram. Yes, and then we would repost it at some point to announce the winner. I like that. Yeah, it's a great idea. Um, well, it was partially yours.

I don't want to take full credit for it. You came up with this idea and surprise, it's not one of yours. Well, I wanted that was a softball. I locked your way. I wanted to be able to that one slam that ship home. What we we need one more because these are all two beating giveaways, so I have to think of one more. I can't think of one off the top of my head. I was thinking maybe, uh, and you can agree or not with this one is just tag your partner, whether you guys are married, dating, engaged,

because help, I suck it. Dating isn't just for the people that are in the dating pool. It's also for the people that are married. So you want to tag the worst the person you want on the worst day with okay, and then you want them to tag in the next giveaway. You bet their best friends that they suck at dating with Okay, and then the third one is the person that they're involved with romantically. What if they tagg someone they have a crush on. It's pretty

good too. I mean it takes ball, but we're all about balls here. It's we do love the kid, dude. That's the sound effect people that we tried to give Yeah, Dean didn't do. We're working it out anyway, doing anybody? I guess technically this is week two of our beanie give away because last week when we had Dr Nancy and we did a beanie giveaway then. So keep an eye on our Instagram. Jared's running. He's doing a fantastic job on the account. Dean's doing some things on it too.

I've seen you posted a couple of things. I reposted a Comedy Central what to Do when you get nudes? The thing I felt it was pretty funny. It's pretty good. Um. Anyways, thank you guys for listening to this week's episode of Help I Suck a Dating. Stay tuned on Instagram to see when you might be able to win some beanies.

Kaylin is calling Dean right now? Is she and your phone as Ferbie Miller Keys, and be sure to tune in next week because maybe, because just maybe, what's your wife will suck a little bit less wife follow help by suck at Dating on I Heart Radio or wherever you listen to Podcast two