A Courthouse Cakewalk with Serena Pitt

making sure I was prepared for the podcast today. Um, We've got a great episode for you guys today. Jared's not here, so you know it's going to be a good one. Kaylyn, why don't you tell the listeners who are guest it's going to be this week? Oh, I'm so excited. Today we have Serena Pitt and she is just the sweetest person ever. She is wonderful, also engaged to Joe. Also met her fiance on Bachelor and Paradise,

so we have a lot to chat about. How do you know she's the sweetest person her We went to Mexico together. You said that about Marie and Kenny too, as if I was like forgetting a fact that we hung out with all of them, Serena, I went to Mexico together, different from Paradise. I see. I thought you were saying only from knowing her at Paradise you decided that she's the swetest person here. No, we've traveled together. Okay, well that's great. Then I definitely concede to your knowledge.

You know more than I do she's a swetest person ever. I thought you were saying just from the time that we spent with her on Paradise and she was very sweet, But I don't think that's enough time to make the distinction that she's the sweetest person ever. Correct. That's why that's not what I always said, And I understand. I don't even know why I'm still talking about it, to be honest. Let's bring Serena. Yeah, let's get Serena pitt in here. Huh. Serena, Welcome to the podcast. We're so

happy to have you here. I don't even know like we introduced you before you got on. We didn't really do a proper segue into having you co host with us today. So for the listeners out there, you obviously know Serena. She was from Bachelor in Paradise, I want to say season seven, Yeah, no, season eight, seventh, season seven seven? I think no, no, no no, no, it was eight. It was oh yeah, no it seven because the last

film was eight, right it was. I was for some reason thinking that Ashley and Jared got engaged on season seven, but no, that was season five, so yeah, because that was Joe's first season, right right, because they need to start titling the seasons. It's easier with Bachelor Batchel Rat because you're like, oh, like Matt James's season, But with Paradise, they need to start giving them like a creative title so people can identify. If you could name your season

in Paradise, what would you name it? Oh, gosh, I don't know, um, dumpster fire. Then I got engaged. What would you name ours? Yeah, baster and Paradise chow. I mean, but I feel like every season is it's never like yeah, it's never like beautiful aways exactly. It's never what you think it's going to be. Well, I think every season has one defining moment, so I think you just have

to think about what the defining moment is. In the name of years, every season has tears where they could like create a theme within every season, right, that's true. Bachelor in Paradise eighties edition, and then you just show up, We're in eighties closed the whole time someone did that? Was that your season? Yeah, we did like an eighties prom theme. Yeah, they like brought us a bunch of

like eighties clothes. That's so fun. But then they could make like the whole overarching theme as well, like everyone stays in eighties the whole time. Eighties swimsuits that would be re intros would be eighties themed, the food would be eighties themes. You can't really, Yeah, that was so hard. You think Kitlan has a lot of clothes, Now, imagine you had to go to show that was eighties theme for a whole month. She get a whole new wardrobe. I mean, well, I was in Paradise. I just wore

the same shirt and swim trunks every single day. Did Joe? He packed half a suit case. You're allowed to bring two full ones, right in a small one. He brought one half packed suit case of T shirts and shorts. Oh my gosh. That's I think. Say, men's stay doing the least, right, we stay doing Men's Day. Even when I was on Bachelorette, I brought a Duffel bag and that was all I brought. And there were guys on my season that I brought like three checked bags with

like the vacuum technology that would like shrink yourself. Yeah. I actually tried that out when I was going on the show, but I felt like I could like squeeze a lot more in. I get. The theory is it's just funny to see grown men. I mean, I guess you know, it's it's weird to say a lot, but it was just funny to see grown men putting that much effort into their clothes. I don't know why. I just thought it was kind of silly. Well, you also grew up in a mountain town where people don't care.

Typically you also showed up with the Duffel bags, like they could say the same about you. That's one percent true, That's very true. All right, So season seven, Serena, welcome you famously. Well it's not what made you famous, obviously, but you and Joe are famously now married if I remember correctly. So you guys got married. We did, But you can you explain this all to me? Because I saw the Instagram post. But it looked like it was just like an intimate thing versus like a full on

wedding ceremony, which I think as they're still planning on having, right. Yeah. Yeah, So we got into the wedding planning process, like we started, we picked a wedding planner and kind of started looking at venues, and we just didn't want to wait the whole year to get married. We thought it'd be fun to kick off the wedding process with an actual wedding.

And also, we just had so much like extravagance and publicity around our relationship, Like we thought it'd be really cool to do something just super kind of untraditional and intimate. I mean, nothing about our relationship has been traditional to this point anyway, so like why start now. So we kind of looked into getting married at the courthouse. We have some friends here that did it during the pandemic.

And you can't like wake up and just like show up at the courthouse and get married, Like it's not like Vegas. You have to kind of like put in the paperwork and you do a call with them. And it was about a three week process from the time we first submitted the application to our actual courthouse appointment, so we were allowed to bring one witness, so we brought Natasha Parker from our season and she was our witness.

She like signed the form and then you go into this room and like we didn't really know what we were getting ourselves into. We were just like, yeah, like we go, we'll sign some documents and we'll be married. But they make you like I mean, like if you saw the video, like we had to like they're like

stand hold each other's hands. Um, So it was very surreal and like actually so emotional because you're like saying your vows and I don't know, it was like eight forty five in the morning on like a weekday, Like we didn't really like you could see how we're dressed. Were like, yeah, I was thirty dollars. It was so cheap, Like I don't know, like after we did it, really do we still want to do a whole wedding, Like it's going to be so much more. This was like

the cheapest thing ever. But yeah, it was great. Honestly. We went and we had like breakfast after and then my parents flew in that night to take us for dinner, which was fun. Um, we got to like surprise all of our friends, like we just got married. Who I have so many questions? Yeah, go ahead, this sounds like my dream and too late. It's too late. Okay. So my first question is you said it was thirty bucks. Well, actually,

like I said, I've got a million questions. Let me start with the first one that came into my head when you were talking. So you said it took three weeks from planning it to doing it, leading up to those leading up to that day those three weeks, were you like, was there any weird feeling in the air, not like weird but like bad decision weird, But like were you getting excited? Were you getting nervous? Like what was kind of going through your head? I don't know.

I don't think it really like hit us that we were doing it until the night before, like we talked about it enough and like we knew we were getting married, Like I didn't have that like oh my god, what are we doing? Like should we wait? Feeling like we were very much like, yeah, we're getting me, this is great. Whatever. And then the night before I remember us blaying and bad looking at each other and being like, oh my god,

we're getting married tomorrow. That's insane. Because I feel like when you do a whole wedding, you have like almost a whole year leading up to that moment, like wrap it around your head that like, Okay, I'm getting married. I'm getting married, Like it's really like drilled into your head for a whole year, right, like all of these

decisions are being made for us. It was like twenty minutes on the laptop to book an appointment and then we had like a zoom call and like in between that, like we weren't really thinking about it, and the night before we were like wow, And then even the morning of we just kept looking each other thing, I cannot believe we're about to go get married right now, Like this is insane, But we were so excited. Like it was.

It was very easy and it was just fun. And yeah, when it came to the vows and stuff, was it did you guys prepare vows like leading like every day leading up to it in the sense where it was what your real vows would have been at your real get a big blowout wedding or was it more of just like an off the cuff kind of spontaneous thing. So when we went, we didn't realize that we were going to have to like stand at the podium and

like even like say vows to each other. We thought it was going to be because like I've only been to like one wedding, and I remember at my cousin's wedding, like they sat down at a table and basically signed their marriage sins, and I just thought that that was going to be the whole process of the courthouse. I didn't realize they were going to have like someone they're marrying us essentially, which I guess I should have. I just didn't know. So we didn't have anything prepared. Like

we were even shocked by that part of it. So we were basically just repeating what they were saying to us back to each other, which is very short. It's just like do you take Joe to be your husband? Essentially, And for our wedding, I think we will prepare like vows because we're still going to have a full wedding. So for that reason, because we're already married, we then

want to kind of say something a little more personalized. Gotcha, And I kind of answered my last question, well not my last, but another big question I had was because you guys already had the wedding per se. I would imagine you could save so much money by having a party that looks like a wedding but not calling it a wedding. And since you're not saying the word wedding, you're going to save you fifty on all of the

expenses and everything. Yeah, yeah, we've been we've been learning that too, that the minute you tell any venue or vendor that you're having a wedding, the prices are so much more expensive than if you're just like, yeah, we're just throwing a party, which is crazy to me, and like just the cost overall of weddings, Like for the first few months we were kind of like what are

we doing, Like we're already married. It was thirty dollars, Like we could just have some like intimate dinner with our family and friends or like throw a reception or I don't know, like this money could literally go to a home that we're spending on this wedding. Like it's

really jarring finding out how expensive weddings are. But with that being said, I'm not someone that like grew up dreaming of my wedding, but at the same time, like I still want that experience, Like you only get it once in your life, like I want to walk down the aisle, like I want to wear a white dress, and like if we don't do it now, we're never gonna do it. Like I don't think I'll ever look back and like I might be like, wow, that was a lot of money, But I don't think I'll ever

look back and like regret doing it. But like I would be scared that I would look back and be like wow, like I missed out on something in my life that like would have been this like huge celebration of like Joe and my relationship. And like we do like have our family and friends like all over the place,

like Minor in Toronto and his or in Chicago. So like for us, it's important to have like that coming together of everyone because it's not like we're gonna have that like for a lot of events in our lives, Like it's not like gonna be like Sunday dinners with our parents together necessarily. So being able to have like everyone come together in one place is kind of like what the like big driving force was for us to

kind of do the wedding. I love that. Are you gonna do like a bachelortte bridle shower all of that. I mean, I do a bachelort. I just booked to my bachelort actually, like two days ago. We're gonna go to Vegas. I've never been, so I'm excited. The best place ever. Yeah. Oh yeah, you guys live there, don't you know. Yeah, so that'll be fun. And then I don't know if I'm gonna do a bridle shower or not. I'm still kind of up in the air. My like really close family friend has offered to throw me one

if I want it. It's just a matter of like it would kind of just be like the same people going on my bachelorette and then like my family because and like obviously Joe's family would be invited, but like they live in Chicago, Like if they all lived in the same place, they feel like it would be or if like they were all able to come, like it'd be really special to have like everyone in one room. But I don't know, I don't, like I already feel

a little weird about the bachelorette. Like having an event that surrendered around me, where like I feel a sense of responsibility for everyone to have a good time makes me really anxious and a little uncomfortable at least, like with the wedding, it's shared with Joe, so we'll see. I'm up in the air on the bridal shower. Yeah, I was gonna say how your engagement party was, because he is the same way and he had fun at the engagement party, but yeah, he doesn't love the pressure.

Well it's a pressure. Yeah, I like how you said it too. At those things, at those shared events, you share the burden of attention, I guess. But then at your bachelor at part of your bachelor party, your bridle shower, whatever it is, it's just you. But also on the other side of it too, it's like those people that are going to that are like your closest friends, So maybe it's less of a pressure because you know, you know and love those people. So we're in the process

right now. Well, I guess I'm in the process of planning my bachelor party and she's already got hers plan but um, yeah, that's not for a few more months. Anyway, where are you going. I'm going to San Diego. Just making it easy for everyone, and I'm I don't know if you're having someone planned your bachelorette but they have made it so easy. I'm using Batch to Basic and they just sent me like the whole itinerary and they send everyone like payment reminders, So oh my god, that's amazing.

I was actually looking at one I think it's called I'm in Miami Batch or something like that, and I was if I went to Miami, like they would have been great. But I think because we're one of Vegas, like we're partnering with the hotel like the Venetian, so I feel like a lot of activities will take place at the resort essentially. But if I was to do it somewhere like Miami or Arizona like something like that, where I'm like booking dinners, I feel like having someone

planet for you is so helpful. Yes, that's a nice thing about Vegas. Yeah, it's very very concentrated in the area. You can just kind of like not really even leave the Venetian if you don't want to. Yeah, I feel like it's like an all inclusive resort, but everything's really expensive and it's exactive all inclusive minus the inclusivity, and the prices are super high. Yeah, mine's gonna be in Jackson and that's gonna be similar, Like we're the only

real lodging you can book is like hotel rooms. And I don't have like a best man or anything like that. But there's gonna be like fourteen people at my bachelor party, and so it's just like a big, big burden to schedule that for everyone, especially when I am awful at planning. So yeah, yeah, I message my girlfriends and was like, we're doing a destination wedding, so like, if this there's a lot to ask, like, don't feel pressured to come, but like I'm trying to just think of it like

a big girls trap versus like a batchelat party. But then obviously my girlfriends are like, we want the balloons, we want the dick straws, we want it all. Like all right, well then you can bring it. I'm not packing that in my suitcase. Right. Where's the wedding. Um, it's in Charleston, South Carolina. Oh beautiful? Yeah that like an old cigar factory. It's like an industrial kind of venue. Nice. You always talk about Charleston, don't you. Yeah? I love

it there have you guys been? Yeah? I used to live in North Carolina, so I was like four hours from there. I think, oh nice would go whenever I could. Yeah, it's really the South, so he'll never go. I hate it. I've never had a positive experience down there, but I've

also just never really traveled down there. So I mean, look like if you had asked me if I was going to get married in the South, like I definitely would have said no. How I didn't think I would yet on that we just wanted we wanted a destination wedding, but we want it in the US. So we kind of told our planner, like just research a bunch of different like weekend getaway cities that are going to be accessible for people from Toronto Chicago and also just fun

like our friends want to go. They want to like day drink and party, and we just want if we're going to make people travel like, we want it to feel enjoyable for them where they're going and easy as much as possible. So we were looking at Austin, Texas, We're looking at Charleston, we were looking at Nashville, which we're kind of like all big like wedding cities, like Nash's got like a million venues, and then just our

favorite venue is Charleston. And I spent some time in Hilton head South Carolina, So I'd been there like two or three times before, and just we thought it would be a good fit. And then when we went and checked out the venue, we're like, yeah, this is great. We love it so kind of like random, like we have we have no personal ties to this place, but it'll be cool, like we'll develop a personal tie to it because it'll be where we got married. Yeah. Yeah,

and as the Guy Factory is pretty cool. That's funny too because ours, yours is in a neutral location, so it's like Joe's family and your family and your friends are all having to go to this random place, and then ours is where I basically grew up. So I feel guilty because it's like, Okay, I'm familiar with the area, a lot of my friends live close by. But then Kaylin's family and friends all have to go out there for the first time. So it's like no one's complaining

about going to Aspen. Everyone's I was going to say, like that's a pretty nice place to go to, right yeah, And I would say only like fifteen percent of the wedding are actually currently living in Basalter Aspen, maybe less, And that's true. It just does feel I don't know, like a neutral site would have made me. Not that I've actually felt this way until just now, but a neutral site, you know, kind of makes sense that way.

No one is like, I mean, we did our engagement party in Toronto, if that makes you feel better, So we did make everyone travel there for that. But how involved is Joe and the wedding planning stuff? He's very involved. He's very involved. Oh yeah, yeah, I honestly like would be nervous make a decision without checking with him first, not that he doesn't trust my decision making, but like he is very opinion did just as in general as

a person. Um. But I like it, Like I like that he cares what like the save the dates look like and stuff like that, Like he helped me like pick our tasting menu, like all the cake flavors, like all the venues. Like it's been very fifty fifty. I'm a little bit more involved in like the administrative stuff of like going back and forth with the planner and like all of that. But that's just more of my strength.

But yeah, he's he's all up in it. Becaus made any like weird decisions, like unique, quirky type of decisions, that's a good question, I don't think so. What would you define as a quirky decision for a wedding? Well, I really want to have ice cream cake instead of wedding cake and our wedding. You're about to say something else. I really also wants a lot of ideas. I really want to wear a penguin tuxedo. Okay, it's surprised, I

really wanna Can I say it? No? Okay, I really want to a special musical act while Kayleen walks down the aisle. Joe's had you know what, Joe had a lot of these. He's come to me with a lot of music suggestions. Um, he was watching Triangle of Sadness the other day and like loved it, so all of a sudden, I'm getting all these songs that I should be walking down the aisle too. I'm like, what am I listening to this? Like instrumental rock man? Like, oh,

I can't walk down the aisle to this. And then he has sent me some like outfit the ideas that were vetoed. But we are doing ice cream sandwiches, I think because it's like his favorite dessert. Um, and we're gonna do like a dessert bar, and his one thing was he was like, I want cookies and ice cream. I think we can make that happen. What a what a gracious person you ad to let him have that at his work? He wants an ice cream cake. I don't know what the logistics of, Like I was gonna say,

an ice cream cake. You might need like a freezer for that. I just want to bask and Robbins mint chocolate chip ice cream cake that's three feet high and past four tears on it. I don't think that's happened really. Specifics can deliver on that. They can find a way. There's it's twenty twenty three. There's ways for you know, anything to happen these days. Anything. Um, do you have your dress yet? I do. I have my wedding dress, which I'm excited about, but I'm still searching for, like

I want to do a second dress. So I kind of like rushed into buying my first dress, like not that I don't love it, but I very much like went to like two stores and like picked the first one that I like loved and was like, yeah, I'm done. And then I don't know if you felt this at all, Like I have dress panic every day, like my feet is just covered in dresses, and I'm like, I love

everything so much. Did ivery third decision? And then some just I'll call my like I hate my dress and she's like, no, you don't, you love it, Like go back to doing what you're doing, Like you're overthinking it. But I feel there's just like so much pressure on it. Maybe that's just me putting pressure on it. I don't know. No, I think like pinterest in and Instagram get more difficult too, because you're just being flooded with all these other options.

I felt that way immediately after I said yes to the two dresses, and then I started to panic. But I'm really happy with it. But I don't know. There's days. There are days where you're like, shoot, did I yet like eight months in advance right, And it's like I feel like I've done so much more research now than

before I went dress shopping. So I'm trying to like take my time with the second dress and then like balance out the things that I feel like maybe like I don't have in the first dress so that I kind of have everything that I would want. And then I'm just gonna block everything off of Instagram and Pinterest that our wedding dress in suppose I know, follow every account literally like by restrict mute, don't don't show my exploreage.

Have you had your first dress fitting yet? Because we're I think we're only like two weeks apart our weddings. Yeah we are, because I know um Wells Wells actually messages and I was like, okay, we're all the clear, Like right you think like there was like uncertainty if like we were going to have crossover. Um, but we're we're beginning of September and I think you guys are middle right. Yeah. I haven't have my dress fitting yet, but it hasn't come in yet hopefully like next month

or the month after. Yeah. Because I just went back um and got they like, let me try it on again. So I was okay because I was like, I think I want a different veil. Literally okay, So I went back and tried it on again. Are you gonna have a veil? I guess I shouldn't know that, should I? You shouldn't. Joe, he's asking to see my dress. Have you been same? Oh? Yeah, He's like just show me, let me see it. What No, I will not show him. I've showed like everyone. Everyone's like, oh, did you pick

out your dress? And like showing everyone Because I'm the same, people say like, don't show my anyone, and I'm like literally like offering people to see my dress, Oh, do you want to see it? They're not even asking, like a baby, I'm like please. Yeah, it's funny you mentioned the Welles thing Wells at our engagement party. Uh he was. He brought that up too. He's like, I don't know

if I can make it to your wedding. You know, Joe and Serena are getting married in September sometime too, and this is like before I think either of us had dates. And I was like dogging him so hard on it because I missed his bachelor party and his wedding. And I was like, dude, oh yeah, so mad, It's okay. I missed his wedding too. Yeah, Joe wet and I had COVID I couldn't go, so I had a very valid excuse. But I was in Pakistan too, but I was like getting so mad. I was like, well, as

you have to be there. If you're not there, I'm gonna be so sad. And he goes, what are you talking about like you missed my wedding, now that he would do that to get even with me, But I still I realized how how much you would be sad if one of your good friends missed your wedding. You know, it's like kind of a big deal. I feel like in the moment, you're like, there's gonna be one hundred and fifty people there, like you're not even gonna notice

I'm not there. But then when it's your wedding, you're like, oh, I guess I like actually do even just seeing their faces like mean something. Yeah, that's been the biggest surprise to me. We've gotten like two nos, and one of them I was pretty offended because I was like, this makes zero sense that you're not going to come for this reason. But I thought the same thing going to weddings, like there's gonna be so many people, I'm not going

to be missed, but people do care. Yeah. Yeah, it's like you take it for I feel like I'll take it even there's people that like I know probably won't come or we invite it being like they probably won't

be able to make it. But I still feel like you have like a twinge of like I'm a little sad that you're not coming to my wedding, even though like I didn't think you were going to come, right, I know, we felt that for our engagement party a little bit, like there were certain people who couldn't come, and I was like, we still had ninety people there, but I was like, oh, it's sad, jeez, I needs

a lot. How big is a wedding going to be? Well, Joe has a very large Italian family, so I think our guest list for just his immediate family is like sixty five people maybe more, maybe closer to seventy. Yeah, we go, yeah, so like we're not there was no small wedding option for us. Yeah, like that is a small wedding. Actually, just his immediate family is well be considered a small to medium sized wedding. But I think our guest list is like one eighty five right now.

But like we know we're having a destination wedding, so we know that'll like kind of impact the RSVPs. We had like the toughest to this day, are having like the toughest time with the guest list on like where to cut it off, Like, yeah, I don't know, I didn't expect to have such a hard time. But oh yeah, in my head, I'm like, oh, everyone I've ever talked to can come to my wedding. Oh my gosh. She

keeps adding people. And we have a very specific venue, like people are going to be on the property the entire time, so we can only fit so many people. And Dean's like, no, my golf buddy's got to come. Well he doesn't, He's got yes. And that This is the issue that we've recently been faced with is when I look at the list of people attending the wedding and I'll see someone that Kalin's known for eight months and I'm like, oh, but I've known this guy for

three years and I see him every single week. He's got to come to the wedding. I'm like, I say it on the past, I'll tell you afterwards. But it's like when I start, when I start sizing up, like you know, a to A or Apple's Apples or whatever, I'm like, oh, well, then this person has to at least get an invite you. I don't know. It is definitely a challenge, especially with our venue is like very strict. It's like ninety five people, very strict. The nice thing

about us in our situation. I guess nice is a loose Leu's term is we only have our very immediate close family that we're close with, and we don't have like a big familial guest list. Like between the two of us, there's like fourteen family members, right, Yeah, I'd say that's about right. So that's nice. So I kind of it's like mostly friends and it doesn't there's no like expectation where you know, Kaylin's family list is going to be huge and the mind is small or vice versa.

So it kind of like relieves some pressure on us that way, I guess. But yeah, do you have a big family? Not really, Um, I'm trying to think, Like I think my like family guest list is like twenty people, Like that's including both my mom and dad's like siblings and my cousins and grandparents and stuff. So like compared to Joe's, like it's small, but yeah, that's all good. Should I invite my aunts to the wedding? It's too late.

I got at least send an invite. It's one of those things where it's like, oh, you're graduating high school, send out invitations and then that way they know that they're included even though you know they're not going to make it, and then maybe listen to you a gift too. Yeah, you get the credit for the invite. Yeah, it's like, oh, at least we got invited, but what have they come? Yeah,

then you're screwed. But I feel like I feel like ninety five, like or at least having a strict guest count is helpful because our venue, the outdoors, only accommodates two hundred people. The inside accommodates five hundred, but we are using the outside for cocktail hour, so technically our cut off is two hundred. But like we don't want that many people, not because like, like we would love to invite everyone to our wedding, Like we're social. We want to have a huge party. The more the merrier

is like really our mentality. But like our wedding planters very much like, look, the best way to cut down on costs is to have less people, Like that's truly what it is. So we're kind of trying to stay like I end up around a certain number, and like the more people you invite, the further away from that number you get, and the higher up everything goes on your budget list so we'll see what happens. It's crazy. The cost of food, the cost of alcohol, the cost

of it is flat wire insane. Yes, yeah, we got lucky. Our venue includes like all the silverware tables, Linen's chairs, but ours is no Our venue host is a nightmare. He's the worst. No really, yeah, but luckily we don't really have to deal with them. It's the wedding planners that's good. Yeah. So, I mean the cost is crazy, and last night I was up a little bit just

getting stressed. Even like hair and makeup. You're flying in and you have to put them up and pay for their rental car and all sorts of it just really adds up. Yeah, no, it does. Like even like I'm doing um, like Kristen from Quantour Foss coming to do my hair and makeup and like love her. I'm so

happy she's doing it. But yeah, then it's like you forget about all the ad on ones of like okay, like Uber's hotels, flights there and back, like anything that goes over time, Like it just every little thing adds up. So yeah, I mean, if you're looking to save money, thirty dollars at the courthouse guys, Yeah, oh, we might go do that today if we didn't have all of

our deposits down. Oh yeah, we had a great We had a great musical guest reach out to us and say, hey, we'll play your first song for free, and we're like, oh great, And then we started adding all the expenses up and we're like, oh man, this is gonna be a lot more expensive than any thoughts. So we're gonna maybe we're gonna say no to that because it's like airfare and a hotel and you know, all the other

things that they might need while they're there. It's just it's great and meals and Aspen flights alone or a thousand dollars and then stay and Aspen is insane. So we chose not the best place to get married. We we wanted to do a band too. We were like, Joe is dead set on a band he like loved Wells and Sarah's band was like, it's just it brings so much more energy. But again, the like, we couldn't

believe the cost of some wedding band. And I mean, like it's not like that I'm saying like they're over priced. I just like I had no idea, Like here's the thing like planning a wedding is something you just don't know until you do it, and then you're in it and you're like, wow, I'm learning so much. If only I could have like five of these, by the fifth one, I would be crushing it. But the first one, like, thank God for our planner. Truly, he was like, I

would not know what the hell was going on. It just makes me want to buy twenty acres and turn it into a wedding venue. Truly, you should, and then you should live there and you should rent it out. Yeah, they're making so much money, it's so insane. And when everyone says like weddings are so expensive, I'm like, okay, maybe like twenty thirty thousand. And we talked about budget, and I think Dean initially said five thousand dollars for

the whole wedding. When we first started talking about weddings, I was like that if that was possible, yeah, And then I was like, that's definitely not possible. But then we start getting hit with numbers, and even for a wedding photographer, two people for two hours, with the rehearsal, din and the wedding day, fifty five thousand dollars. I

was shocked. Not even video that's not wedding, so like, yeah, sure that was my bad, but still fifty five and you yeah, you knew that it was gonna be expensive. Use for it was like no, I was like no, but you just don't know what, like what average is, right, Like if you told me, like, oh, you're gonna book a wedding photograph, how much do you think it is? Like I would be like, I genuinely have no idea.

I've never booked a wedding photographer before. And then like if you ask me what the spectrum was, like, I don't know what I would have said, but like I feel like it's literally anywhere from like five to ten thousand to like sixty thousand, Like it's such a wide spectrum. And like you're like, okay, like my favorite photographer is shooting for Vogue, but like that's my budget for my

whole wedding exactly. Well, if you want to free wedding photographers, we can be your your your go too, yeah portfolio. I feel like we're gonna like Bachelor Nation, you know, like Blake horsemank a DJ Like you guys could be our wedding photographer and videographer, Like, we should all just start or Susie too, she does weddings. We should all just start being each other's like wedding vendors, right for a lot of money. We all team up like the Power Rangers, and then we all become you know this

outside Bachelor packet, Yeah, the Bachelor packet. Truly, we should start planning that. There should be Man, I should really not say this because someone's going to steal. This is a great idea. There should be like a team of people from Bachelor that plan Bachelor bachelortte parties. Yeah. Yeah, that'd be a great idea. Too bad I don't have a background and event plan here. I go right onto that. Yeah that sounds great. You could do that. You love planning.

I love planning. This has been my dream come true. Planning. Yeah, you're loving it. It's so fun. I don't know what I'm gonna do after, which is more the reason why I'm just hands off because I'm not a planner and you love it. So Yeah. I try to give DNA say and I like ask him his opinion and he's like whatever, I don't care. He just wants the ice cream. Kate man um I care. I just I know that you care more than I care, So it just would be silly for me to put my foot down for

something that I don't care as much about as you. Yeah, I do have a question. Have you changed your last name and are you going to? I have not changed my last name, still Serena Pitt. I'm going to change my last name, probably to Amblie. I just there's just no rush right now. Like at the end of the day, if we weren't having kids, I would probably always stay Serena Pit. The only reason I think I'll change my last name is because I want our kids and us

to all have the same last name. And I actually know people who have said, like, having a different last name than your kids if you're trying to cross the border, like from Canada the US, gets very, very difficult because they're essentially like, prove that these are your kids because you don't have the same last name, it was them. So I think I don't have a middle name, like

my parents never gave me one. So if I can, I'm gonna give myself the middle name Pit and then switch my last name to a Moblie so I'll still be like Serena pitt a Mobli, But I won't have typhon name not why not Joe Pit. That sounds pretty cool, don't get we started. My dad would be freaking over the moon. He has two daughters and the line ends with him. He's the only son, so it's devastating. Um. But yeah, I think it's important to him that I take his last name, is as much as I would

love to have Pit forever. Like, I think it's more important to him that I take his lass name than it would be important to me for him to take my last name. Like if I felt really passionate about it, like it would definitely be a conversation we'd have. But I kind of always expected and like we could also hyphenate like Pitt Moubley for both of us. But I'm just not really into the hyphenation of it all. But Maubley's mouthful. It's a great last name, but it's not.

It's not as easy as Pitt. Pitt's quite simple. You guys are doing Belle right, we're doing doing Bell. We're changing it, changing it up. But both brothers did the same thing too. I was annoyed, Well not annoy it. I'm happy for them. But I came up with this idea like three years ago, and then my oldest brother got married and did that. He took my idea. And then my second brother got married and did the same thing. And don't tell them your future kids names, they'll take

them too. You've got like seven Catherines in the family, right, seven Debbies. Yeah, No, Joe's whole family's names are Joe on both sides. And it's so complicated. Oh my gosh, there's like three Joe Mobley's. So is there what's the children? Um idea? Are you guys gonna have kids? Is there a plan for kids? Is it just going to kind of be what whatever happens happens. Yeah, I think we want to have kids. We're thinking two kids would be

like what we want if that is what we can have. Um, right now, we're just live in life, like we haven't really put a hard timeline on it. Um the whole like dual income, no kid life is like really for me right now. And I mean I definitely want kids.

But I was saying to my parents the other day, I was like, man, like it's gonna it's hard to like imagine giving up your freedom, like selfishly and like just how you know you're We went away to Florida with Joe's um with two of Joe's friends and they have a really cute two year old and he's great

and they're a beautiful family. But it really made me see because we were living with them, like kids are a twenty four seven job and like I obviously knew that, but then seeing you're like, wow, like it really changes your whole life when you have them, which is both is amazing, but like I want to make sure we're like really ready for that and we're gonna have them. It's just making sure like all of our ducks are in a row and like there's no perfect time for anything.

But yeah, it's it's a big decision to have children, like it really is. But two two is what we're interested in maybe in like two or three years. Think life is the way to go. Can't go wrong it is, you can't go along with it. It's really the height of luxury. What are you most excited about the second wedding? Because you're you're already married, What's like, what are you

guys the most excited for? Oh, I don't know. I think just um, I think both of our like both our engagement and our marriage now have been away from our family and friends because we obviously got engaged on

the show. So when we had our engagement party, like it's a lot of like running around and like saying hide people and like a little bit stressful, but I just remember being like so happy seeing like all of our people together in one space and like everyone just felt like it was just so happy and wonderful and like such a great memory to have, and like I think I'm just excited for that, like to create those memories and like see you know Joe's loved ones, my

loved ones all there. Like we just want people to have a good time, like guest experiences like top of our lists, and yeah, I'm just excited to be in the room and like have that energy of like people around us and be like wow, like we're married. This is really exciting. Like I mean, it feels official, but like I feel like standing up there like saying our vows will be like holy shit, it's real. Right. Do

you think Joe's gonna cry when he sees you? Oh, he really doesn't want to, but like he's like I'm not gonna cry. I can't cry. We're doing a first look, which I said I would never do a first look, but when we talk to our photographer and our wedding planner just logistically for like the day of schedule, it makes a lot more sense for us to do it, especially just like with our venue and stuff, like it's going to be easier to take photos like in other spaces in the city, like prior to us going to

the venue. So if he does cry, he has the privacy of a first look to like let it out. But I'll get emotional. I'm like such a happy crier, So that's yeah, that's bound to happen. Do you guys have honeymoon plans or ideas yet? I think so. Um, nothing's like for sure set in stone, but we're looking at the Fairmont my Cobra right now. That's maybe an option. I don't really care one hundred percent where we go.

I just said to him, like, I don't want to really do like a Grease or a Europe trip because I don't want to have to like plan about tret and then plan a wedding and then also plan like a multidestination honeymoon. Like we will do those trips like, we love traveling, We'll always eventually make time to make

it there. I would love to just go somewhere where we can like lay on a beach for a few days and like really unwind and relax after the chaos of it all, because what we're doing is we have our wedding and then I think we have to go to his cousin's wedding the weekend after, so it's gonna be like a really busy few weeks. So I'm like, I just want to relax. But what are you guys doing? You guys have been like everywhere. How do you pick a honeymoon vacation when you guys travel so much? We're

going to the moon. Oh my god. I really want to do South Africa. But I agree like planning it is a lot, especially South Africa when you have to go to Cape Town. Then you do the Safaris and true, yeah, Wells's brother plans those trips, so I've been talking to him about maybe doing it for me. That's me. I always wanted to do one of those trips. I think, like African Safari might not really be on Joe's bucket list of travel, but I think that would be so amazing.

I don't know. One of our good friends is just down there and he said the food is incredible. So if it's really down there, that's a point. That's a point for me. I'm gonna I'm gonna let him know that. Are you guys, what's the food situation gonna be at your wedding? Because we all know Joe's a big foodie, so he's got to have like a big hand in that. Yeah, he is a big foodie. The thing is, so we're talking about this in the beginning. We're like, we need

our wedding food to be like amazing. Like I was like, I want to do like family style pasta, and I want to do food trucks, and I want to do like all of these things. But like, and we haven't done our tasting yet. I'm very confident that, like the venues we've picked, like the food is going to be delicious, but like it's just so hard to have wedding food be like the best food you've ever eaten, Like they're

serving like a hundred people at the same time. Like Joe's a huge foody and he's like I literally can even remember like any wedding, Like the food doesn't make or break the wedding. Like it's just a meal. You sit down, you enjoy it. Like I'm excited to our tasting, but he's mostly concerned about like the ice cream sandwiches, Like as long as we got those, like I think he'll be happy. Um, but yeah, what about you guys? Do you know what you're serving? Ice cream of some

sort out or what? I like ice cream sandwiches, But we can't steal that, so we'll make it. Maybe we'll steal it. It wasn't our idea our venue offers it. I wanted a mochi kick, just a bunch of mochi balls stacked up on top of each other, which I really love, which leave him in charge of dessert. And like it's like just like doing that what I show. It seems to be what you're most passionate and right, but our venue has um a farm to table chef. Oh,

we don't really like have much. Say, we're gonna do a tasting in June, but I don't know if like they're going to give us a bunch of options. I don't really know how it works. You know, it's so weird for tastings. Is so when you pick your wedding like you serve. Like I think we get like two mains and then like a vegetarian option. It's not like you to try like ten mains and then pick two.

You only get to try too, so you're basically just trying what you're serving, just making sure what if it's awful. Then it's like you think you get to try like ten different things and then be like, oh, these two are my favorite. Yeah, but it's just like these two look the best, all right. They taste good too. Guess we're good. And that's kind of what I always envision envisioned. Two. It's just like a table where you're just like picking and seeing what you love the most. It's not gonna

be for us, Nope, not for you. No. Um, since you guys have been married almost a year now, probably right, we got married, no October, so February like four. Yeah, I don't know time, you know, time's weird these days. Winter moves so slow. It's been a whole year in yeah, especially in Chicago. I can only imagine York. In New York. Yeah, we're in New York. The weather is a little milder here, but still like kind of cold and gray most days. Was there every like a shift in like the relationship

after the wedding, you guys experience. Oh, A lot of people asked us if we felt like our relationship changed in any way. Um, honestly, not at all. I was talking to a friend about this actually because she was like, I feel like everyone always says like, oh my god, everything changes when you're married, or like the first year of marriage is the hardest year. I feel like that applies more to people that, um, like maybe don't move in together until they get married, or like hold off

on certain aspects of the relationship until they're married. Literally, like, nothing changed for us structurally in our relationship once we got married, Like we're already living together all of that stuff, So I feel like it's the same. I think it will mostly change, like when we have kids. The only thing that's changes. Joe lost to be like I want to divorce. Like if I like do something that I didn't always say, I'm gonna be like, what's that out

as a joke? But so that's fun. You have that to look forward to, right, I can't wait for those jokes? So off, Like crazy do you does he wear a wedding band? Now or is he waiting until the big ceremony. He's waiting, so I just have my engagement ring, Like I didn't get a wedding band, and then he didn't get one, so we decided to save like the exchange of rings and bows for our wedding, just to kind of like have still some of like the symbolism when

we do it. But he also likes to make jokes about how he's a single man because he doesn't wear a wedding rings. So that might change soon if those keep ups. Oh my gosh. When you guys are like out to dinner or at a hotel, do you call each other husband and wives if you're like my wife needs a toothbrush or something. Yeah he does, but like it's so bad, but like we almost do it as a joke, like he'll be like, hi, my wife forgot

her purse. But it's like we're actually married, Like it shouldn't be a joke anymore, Like it's been four months, but it's so it feels so weird still, like yeah, there were so many newly wed phase um, but yeah, it's like I will call him my husband, but like really only if I'm in a situation where I like have to refer to him as my husband. It doesn't like roll off the tongue yet I use all three.

I call her girlfriend, fiance, and wife. Just depends on the mood, like yesterday to mix it up, just makes it up. Yesterday I had to pick something up from for like an adam doing from a food and wine you're here and they were like, oh, yeah, we try to deliver it this morning and I was like, oh yeah, my fiance was in the shower and she couldn't get the door or something, and I was like, why did I call her my fiance? She is my fiance. But I never I use the fiance at least often. Yeah,

you know, yeah, mostly girlfriend or wife. Fiance is the one that feels like, so yes, pretentious, Like I was gonna say fancy, pretentious is a way better word. Um where you're like, oh, my fiance, I hate saying it. But then it's like, if that's what you are, that's what you say. But then it feels like people have to ask you, oh, when you're getting married, and then they're like, oh, when did you get engaged? And I'm like, no,

I'm not asking for you, Like I'm not asking for me. Yeah, it's like an invitation for people to ask you a bunch of personal questions about your life by saying your fiance. Like if I see my boyfriend, no one cares, no one my husband, no one cares. Still, right, but I actually followed this TikToker and she's engaged, and she did a TikTok. She was like, I will not be using fiance like he is my boyfriend, Like I will be calling my boyfriend and then I'll be calling him my husband.

Like She's like, I can't get behind fiance. How do I do that? There was a point where I was talking about Dean and I kept saying it fiance, and I was like, oh, I hate I feel like I sounds so annoying right now, but that's what he is. Yeah. The thing with us is like we were only each other's fiance, so like when we were on the show and then we like I never really called him my

boyfriend on the show unless I was like joking around. Yeah, and then we got engaged, so then he was my fiance for a year and a half and then he now he's my husband, so like, basically the entirety of our relationship, he's been my fiance. Oh wow, which is weird and you never used it or rarely? No, I would because like that's the only thing I knew really, but yeah, I don't know. None of it feels normal. Yeah, I agree. Well, Serena, thank you so much for joining us.

We don't want to take up too much of your time, but we're excited to see the pictures. Were so happy for you and Joe offer still stands. If you guys need a wedding photographer and videographer, give us a call. Let us know. It's like, we won't even be there. We'll use our long lens and shoot you from a distance like you can just drone drone shots only Oh yeah, we'll get some nice silent drones that way you don't hear the buzzing all around you. Um, what's one last

question we can ask, Serena. Let's think of one last question. Um, oh, will you be I'm doing the whole cake in the face. No, I actually said that to him. We're watching a movie the other day, We're watching Father of the Bride, and I was like, I'm paying good money and Kristen is spending a long time on this face. I swear to God, if you smash vanilla cake in it or whatever, we end up eating chocolate even worse, Like I just don't do it, like immediate divorce, Like you don't do it.

But he, I feel like would feel just as passionately about me smashing cake in his face. So are you guys gonna do it? You can smash it in my face. I think it's gonna letting really smear. Oh yeah, you can smash it in my face. I'll do it. He's not about to pull up in. The mustache would be great for photos. The mustache isn't gonna be here for the wedding, but okay, think so, Yeah, this is more of just like a joke. He looks to Klin to find out if he's going to be having a mustache.

Oh gosh, every day, every time, we'll look myself in the mirror with this mustache and I'm like, you are disgusting. It was just so so gross. Yeah, so that's not going to stick around. But I think that's a good side. You should probably take it, all right, feel that way about yourself. I also need to lose twenty pounds in seven six months, so I gotta get to work on that. Oh, you're on that wedding diet. I mean, I'm not yet,

but I need to be. I like, I've just been eating Girl Scout cookies and that's about it for the past few days. So definitely, and that'll do it. That'll do it. But yeah, thank you so much for joining us. We appreciate it. Like I said, we're so happy and excited for you guys. Yeah, thanks for having me. It's so fun to chat with you guys when you're also planning the wedding. So yeah, I'm excited for you guys too. Can't wait to see all the picks in the videos

and the drone shots. Well I want to say best to but it seems like you guys already got it all figured out, so keep doing what you're doing. Definitely not, but I appreciate the confidence that you're having us. Big thank you to you for joining us, Big thank you for listeners and Syrina you also do you also host a podcast? I do not. I just I thought you mosted the one with Joe or something, So I hosted Happy Hour for like a season and then I like did the live show with Joe for a clickbait. When

we did, we interview Zac, which was really fun. I'm actually popping on to Clickbait. I think this week too nice. So well, for the listeners that are listening to this, be sure to go check out Clickbait and check out Serena on Instagram and all the social media platforms and all that kind of stuff. Stay updated on the wedding and everything. But yeah, thank you so much for joining us. We appreciate it. We love you, guys, and we wish you nothing but the best. Thanks, guys, have a good one.

Thanks for having to And that's gonna do it for this week's episode. It just flows so much better when Jared's not here. I want, I want, I was gonna say, I want the listeners to just start DM and Jared and say, hey, just don't show up every week. Just collect your paycheck every quarter and just let Dean and Kayleen handle all that heavy lifting. Okay, but you guys have all had time off. I know I get timeline,

but I only say this because sick today. I only say this because I know that I take a lot of time off as well. And Kaylin is set Kalina has a cold. I gave it to her. You're welcome. I'm also dealing with some torn knee ligaments. It's about me right now. Okay, Yeah, let's focus on me. And Kayleen is sick. I'm just getting she's drinking two green juices. She's got a bunch of medicine over here. She's been snoring up a storm every single night I have. I'm sorry,

I can't breathe. Yeah, and I don't have a phone charger on my side of the bed, so I'll like put my headphones in, but my phone is only alive for like an hour. And then let me just say something about that. There are so many phone chargers around our house. Dean could easily just plug one into his sad table. But here's the thing is I forget all day to bring one up into the room, and then when it's time for me to go to bed, I am just too tired to go get one. This is crazy. Um.

Let's also talk about your LCL real quick. Yeah. I think I tore my LCL or my meniscus. Something weird happened in my knee. I was supposed to be goingus. Um, I think so, I don't see why not? Do you know what a meniscus is? Nope? Then did you think you wouldn't be militaris. Isn't it your knee? Uh, well, I don't know. I don't. I believe it's a ligament on the outside of your knee. Um, I don't know what it was. I didn't have like a fall or anything. I just I hiked hard on it, I guess is

the only thing. I hug like twenty miles in two days in Pedagoon yet and I woke up and I can barely bend my knee now. So I'm get an MRI this weekend. We'll see how that goes. But you're just going to the doctor. They have to schedule them, right, but they don't need to know logistics. Okay, But also the pain has moved from your knee to your quad. There's all sorts of things happening with this. Quad is

feeling better. The quad was just so or because I'm limping on my leg and I'm activating different muscles in my leg like that was my suspicion. And today I woke up and it doesn't feel as bad as it yesterday. So I'm confirming that suspicion. But yeah, I'm supposed to ski from now until the end of the ski season. But I can't do that because I can barely even walk. So now I'm just building foe beams in our guest room in the meantime while this thing heals, which is

kind of a bummer. But that's the update on us. Is there anything else you want to share about our wedding planning or anything like that. I mean, I'm just a little just about the money aspect, but otherwise we're good and we have everything booked, like every single vendor is booked, and now it's just like the design process. So we're doing great. I mean, I'm doing great because you're not really involved, which I'm fine with. It's a little bit of anger, and I like having free range

and being able to do whatever I want. Do you have so much fun with this? As a little girl dreaming about your future wedding, did you imagine your husban been to be being so blase about the planning process. Yes, this is exactly what I dreamt it is, so I'm giving you your dream exactly. Gosh, I'm so great, aren't I'm so great? And this is exactly what I dream just not having to do anything, just sitting back and writing a check, writing a check out of my fiance's

bank account because I have no money. Oh my gosh, this again? Yeah? Sorry. You know, if anyone's out there and wants to donate to the Dean Fund, no, Dean is fine. Extra work. Um yeah, there's anything else we want to talk about before we say goodbye? Um? Probably? Oh. I always like think of things throughout the week and I'm like, oh, we should talk about this, we should talk about that, and then the time comes and I forget. Do you want to talk about your Vanderpump Rules drama?

Oh my gosh, yes I do. Thank you for asking. Um. So, if anyone following the Vanderpump Rules drama, it is wild, and I I don't really know what else to say beyond that, it's I just can't imagine dating someone for a decade, we're dating, married, whatever, and my best friend is cheating on you with what? Yeah, cheating cheating on you with me? Yeah? Wait? What? Those things always confuse me. I don't know why, but yes, I think it's wild. I think also the Internet just loves to cancel people

and hate on people. Yes, what they did is horrible and so wrong, but I don't think people should be just like whatever. Let them learn their lesson and don't be so hateful, and let's support Arianna. I think Arianna is an amazing person and we'll just uplift her without dragging people down. Do you think they're doing this for headlines? You know, that's definitely been a topic on TikTok. People think it's all fake just to get the views up. And I heard on a podcast that vander watch What

Happens Live with Andy Cohen. It was the top rated episode, like highest viewership in two years, which seems like it should be more. But um, I don't know what was it. They had the guests from vander Pump. They had Lisa vander Pump on but she's not even in the drama. No, but Lisa is the owner of these restaurants and she

takes care of all of her little chicklings. And so she was talking about it and basically said what I said, like, yes, they did a horrible thing, but let's not like, you know, people's mental health are also involved, Like they did, they did a horrible thing, but we can say they did a horrible thing without like sending them so much hate. If people that I knew were having an affair, the last person I would care to hear about. Is their Bob from there? Is their Bob? Well, like Lisa is

also friends with them. It's the show is like it started because of her, right, It just it seems like the highest rated show. You would expect one of the people involved in the scandal to be on the show, not just one of their friends, you know what I mean? Yes, But also I think because it's basically Lisa's show, the other people on the show, um, they have NDA's and a lot of them have like tried to talk about it and go on podcasts and things, but um, it's

Bravo and they're like restricting it. So also because it's Bravo, they can't go on Andy Cohen because it's live, and they're worried like what they would say. That's my understanding, could be totally wrong. I see, so still crazy any new developments since last week? You know, I checked TikTok regularly and I haven't seen anything. I know. Raquel apologized twice. Tom Sandoval also apologized twice. His first apology was like, no, I need to make money, don't come after my business.

And then that's literally it. And then he came out and he's like, oh, actually, like, I'm sorry to my partner of ten years. Ten years a long time, nine years, but basically ten do you think they would have benefited from being in an open relationship? Well, okay, so those are the rumors that they were in an open relationship, and that was kind of leading up to this season. I heard you guys were in an open relationship, and so then it's like, maybe they were, but then he

got feelings. I don't know. I don't really know. I just think I feel for Arianna, and I'm putting myself in her position. If I were to be airy on it, I wouldn't want all this pity coming towards me, which I feel like she's getting a lot of pity. I would just want to be like whatever, I'm moving on, like, screw that guy. So Arianna, keep doing you. So they broke up, yeah, of course, And is he dating the girl that he was cheating on her with. There's a

lot of back and forth about that as well. People are like Raquel fired her PR team and hired a new one and said she's going to break things off with him. But then there's things saying like they're in love and they want to be together, So who knows. I don't. I just I could talk about this for days and I don't know why I'm talking. And I'm like, why am I talking about this? Well, it's interesting to me, probably not to you. It's not to me, but I'm

glad that you're interested in it. It's just crazy. Do you want to talk about NFL free agency? Right? It's interesting to me, but it's not interesting to you. Right, you know, you see what I'm saying. That's it. That's all I got. I think that's all we got as an episode today too. We got north of an hour, so anytime we can hit sixty minutes plus, I think we're doing a little too much. Maybe maybe we could shorten it up a little bit. But you know, Serena

is a great guest. She's got a you know, interesting slate of things coming up for her, so it's always good to hear from her and check in and hear how they're doing. And thank goodness their wedding isn't on the same day as ours, Yeah, because then Walls wouldn't come to our wedding, yeah, which you know, I guess. Well, it's just values Joe's friendship more than it does mine. We're really learning a lot about our friends and where we rank in their lives. Well, Wells hadn't more of

an obligation. I'm just kidding. But with other people who aren't coming to then it's like, okay, fine, Wells, you can officiate our wedding if that's what it's going to take. No, we already asked, could you imagine saying, hey, sorry, we actually don't want to have anymore to Jackson. Are we allowed to say? Why wouldn't we? I guess it doesn't matter. Yeah, I'm pretty sure we should just bleep random things out of the podcast, just like I don't understand why you

want to keep everything so secretive. I don't know either I would, but I do. Okay, well, I guess you got to know come back to that. Yeah, that's your prerogative. I don't know. I guess I'm open to sharing more about the venue maybe another day. Yeah, that's gonna do it. For this week's episode of Help We Suck At Being Newlyweds? Thank you so much for joining us, Thank you so much for listening to us, thank you so much for downloading us. Thank you so much for following us on Instagram.

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