#55 We All Have Our Flaws

voting tomorrow? I am voting tomorrow? And if you're listening to this tonight on Monday night and you're not rich, well, I guess it's kind of tilgiter not in every state you can regiter at the polls. About half a dozen states. There you go. Thank you Mark for being our stage word at all times. Registered to vote and get out there and vote. Remember that, Remember that p Diddy uh campaign, like maybe a decade ago, Vote or Die. We need

something like that to come back. I remember the oh eight one where it was like all those celebrities that came out and one montage was like Dicaprion George clue A talking about like well you know, if you if you don't care about women's rights, don't vot, or like, oh, if you don't care about the climate, don't vote. I know Leo made a video this year as well. He's like, listen, this is the biggest election of our lifetimes. And that's

the case. It's true. Jared just told me who was voting for um before jumping on, And I mean, while I don't agree with it, I appreciate his right to get to the polls and vote. So I'm voting for Easton. Yes, exactly, Thank you. I really need this right now, exactly. Um, I wish Canadian politics with this interesting. Well, I don't think you do. Have you seen Trudeau's socks? I really don't think you want that for yourself. Um. We have a topical episode today. We're basically gonna be talking about

current events. And when I say current events, aside for voting, I basically mean celebrity couples. Yeah. I think we should start off with Bachelor Nation news. This past week, a really tough breakup happened between a very two wonderful people, Caitlin and Sean. They got engaged back in two thousand fifteen. I think of season eleven of the Bachelorette who's my season. Sean ended up winning. They've been engaged for about three years and they finally call it quits, which is really

really crappy. It's just hard seeing a break up anytime. Anytime there's a breakup, it's really sad. But I think within the public eye and Caitlyn and Sean, I think we're a bachelor couple that we can all agree everybody kind of idolized a little bit and looked up to. For me personally, anytime somebody asked me about the bachelor experience and like can it work? Is it real? I would point to different couples. In the first couple I always point to would be like Caitlyn Sehn. Those two

are very much in love and very happy. So it's definitely a sad day. Well, this is an interesting at least tie in that we all have together because you were on Caitlyn season, Vanessa, you and Caitlin are friends, and I've never been either of them, so I can come into this situation on bias and give my opinions on what idis But like, i'd love to hear your like, Vanessa, what do you think about the whole Caitlyn sewn break up.

So it's hard for me to talk about this kind of stuff just because I want to respect their privacy and I know how hard it is to go through

a public breakup like that. I mean, mine is on a different level because Nick and I were engaged for under a year and they've been together for three years, so of course the pressure from I guess fast or nation and people who have known them naturally the next step was for them to get married at least, and everyone dies, but you never know what happens behind closed doors, and so for me, it's hard to hear people's comments on well, Caitlyn wanted to be famous and he wants

to settle down. It's like stopa with the rumors that you think is actually happening, because it's mostly all both and you don't actually know the truth. So um, again, it's it's their story to tell and them. I don't want to get into it. But Caitlin is a friend of mine, and for some people it might sound weird because Caitlyn and I did save the save guy. Um, but m an amazing person and has an amazing heart, and I only with the most greatest things for her

in her future. And in her love life and and all of that. But um, listen, I think what ends up happening is people just you know, sometimes people can just fall apart, and relationships take a lot of work, and especially coming out of the franchise, it's I guess if I'm going to speak on my behalf, Like for Nick and I, it wasn't it was an engagement. Did it feel like an engagement. No, it felt like two people getting to know each other in a very unrealistic

world living in the real world. So it was hard sometimes to compartmentalize, like, Okay, we're engaged, but we're also like trying to figure things out and you know. Um, so I think it was a smart move for them to figure out what they wanted and before moving into bigger things like getting married and then not ending up together. So, um, it does break my heart because I know how much they do love each other, and it breaks my heart

seeing two amazing people not being together. And um, yeah, I guess it's really sad because just because they broke up doesn't mean that they weren't in love. They were madly in love. Vanessa. You saw it. I saw it, And it's that's the hard part because I think a lot of people, like you said, state their own opinions and judgments on the situation even though they don't know it, and they immediately go to, oh, they were just in

it for fame. I knew they'd break up. I knew they'd never last, and it's like, well, I hate to break it to you, but that was a very real relationship and they're very much and while it ended, that doesn't make it any less um real, um, And that's why it's sad. And Vanessa brought up an interesting point where you talked about how you didn't feel like you're engaged to Nick because it felt like you guys, you know, everything is kind of crazy in that world and it's

very overwhelming. But I think even Sean said this after we left Caitlin season, where he said, you know, I fell in love with her on the show, but we really didn't start dating until after the show. And I think that happens within a lot of couples, and so um, I agree with your point on that one. But Dean, as an outside perspective, not knowing Caitlin nor show, I don't know either of them, never met either of them. I've heard incredible things about Caitlin. Um, she's obviously university liked.

It seems like in the Bachelor franchise of yet to come across anyone that has any ill fate or words to say about either of them, Um, just Caitlyn. I guess it's just more of the uh well known. But between the two of them and people that say that they were in it for fame, I think is a little ridiculous because if they were in it for fame and they didn't actually love each other, they probably wouldn't have let the relationship in a lot as long as

three years. I will say that they had like. From what I've read and what I've I've kind of gathered in is that Sean never wanted to get married in the first place. He loved Caitlin but never wanted to get married, and Caitlin wanted to get married. So obviously we don't know the details of why they split. I'm sure that was a point of contention in their relationship

to the entire time. I don't follow either of them on social media, but every once in a while and the Discover page Caitlin's picture will pop up with her like with her like tongue out like, oh I wish Shawn would just marry me already. And it's like, okay, well, are you guys gonna get married? Do you want to get married? Why do you get it? Why did you propose to her if you're not gonna marry her? And now it's like, is that going to be the thing

that rips the relationship apart? Because it's like I said, it's it's one thing to love each other, but then it's also another thing to want to give each other what the other person wants. But listen, it's I mean, I don't I don't know what you know. I don't know the gate that story, but I'm just elaborating on what a point that you brought up sing If you're going on the show and you're getting engaged, then that's the next steps forth getting married, right, and then why

would you propose to someone? Right? Right? No? I agree, I think this begs another question about how long an engagement should last. We talked about that on the podcast before, but even earlier this year. I remember because I follow Caitlin on on Twitter, and I remember somebody was She retweeted something about how like somebody was badgering her about but not being married yet and like what's taking so long? And she answered it back and saying that they were

going on their own time. But I think that's why when to speak personally. When actually and I got engaged, we knew that like within the next couple of months, we really wanted to start planning a wedding and figure out our next stop in a life. And and that's not for everybody. But having said that, I agree with you guys where if you get engaged, you know at some point you have to start planning for a wedding. I don't know if Sean wanted to get married or not.

I don't know if Caitlin wanted to get married. I don't know the inn workings of that relationship, but um yeah it did. It's it's sad when the announcement happened because I think everybody can kind of see it coming. There wasn't even an article written a few months ago about how Caitlin addressed it on our podcast of why they weren't posting together were they still together? Um, so it's you that makes me so sad. It makes me

so sad that being and I get it. We're on a show we were known to uh, we're known because of the dating world that we're in and all that, but it also makes me so sad that there's a lack of privacy when it comes to like our our romantic life. And so if you're having a down, you know, if your relationship is not as great as it used to be maybe a month ago, because relationships go to her ups and downs, just like you have to prove yourself to the world and be like you have to

explain yourself. I will say that's kind of our own fault. Though not only do we sign it for the show, because it all depends. There have been people on the show that have kept their relationship in in romantic life private and there have been very prominent figures on the show who have gone and gone in relationships that a lot of people don't know about. It was just you know, like us with the podcast, we talk a lot about

our dating life. Obviously, Caitlin hosts a podcast and Sean does his his physical training um that he very much promotes in social media and is something that I need to get into because I really need to start going back to the gym. That's a different topic altogether. But it's definitely sad because I think with Caitlin and Sean, it was just a very rootable couple that everybody wanted to see together, and besides any bachelor couple that has kids,

I think it might be the most heartbreaking breakup. So then what's next for both of them? Because you saw Caitlin's bachelor at They've been engaged for three years, and now what do they do to get to move on? You know, it's like Caitlin going to just continue trying to date new people. Is she gonna go back? I don't think it'll be. I don't think it'll be hard for Caitlyn could get anyone. She's like a well rounded individual and like, but that's it's not hard for you

to get anyone, but here you are single. So I think for me it's different though. I mean, and I think at one point I was just like I was making the wrong decisions when it came to the people I was dating. Um, But I haven't, like, no worry about Caitlin's dating life. I mean, I don't haven't worried about Sean either, But I'm not saying I'm worried about that. I'm just saying what is what are the logistical next steps for them? Like they's gonna have a three year engagement?

Are we going to see Caitlin posting a picture with a guy in six months? Is Sean going to jump back in? Is he going to live the bachelor life for a while? If I was to assume, and obviously we all make an ass out of you and me whenever you do that, But if I had to guess, I would say Sean would probably um. From an outside perspective,

I could see Sean dating someone quicker than Caitlin. I could see Caitlin taking a little while break being on our own single um, But that's just a complete gut instinct. Who the hell knows? I almost kind of disagree with you. And again this is based on no knowledge of the two of them personally. But Sean seems like he's so caught up in his job that he doesn't have the time to Okay, And I'm going to stop you. I'm going to stop you because whatever you see on social

media is not real life. Guys like you don't know the story. You just don't know. And I'm not even talking about Stan, I'm just talking about like in life in general, you don't know what is actually happening in someone's heart, in someone's life, like in someone's head. You just don't know. So yes, I'm sure he's very much devoted to this, to his new his new business and all of that, but like I just I don't know.

Maybe I'm just like overprotective about this breakup through it. Yeah, I went through it, and I understand like people in midticking and like trying to just like understand and then and try to figure out why it happened or how whatever. Um, but you just don't know the story, right, Just all I'm doing is telling the story for myself with the

information that I've been given. And I'm just saying it seems like if in this scenario that she would be have the ability to move on faster because he seems very uh, work obsessed, which is not a bad thing. So I'm not saying any I'm not taking anything away from She's really dedicated to her podcast too, though. That's great, right, Sure they're both like working really hard towards alright. Well, so are either of them ever going to date in

Bachelor Nation? Again? Absolutely not. There's no way Caitlin goes back enough franchise and I I could never see Sean going back in there too. Sean struggled through our She's in Bachelor, Yeah, it was. It was just hard for him. You know. He was very madly in love with Caitlin and he was seeing her date all these different guys and he felt like he was the one from very

early on, and I think she did too. But you have to go through the process and figure it out, and so I think that really took a toll on him as to I don't I don't just don't get why it can't be just us, And I think, you know, Sean opened up a little bit on the bach Chorette about his his parents and family life, and I think he was just very much I didn't want to be dating a girl who's also dating other guys at the

same time. Having said that, that's what you signed up because we listen, we all can we all agree that we all sign up for the show for the experience and then hope something great front Consummer, but we certainly don't expect it, Like did any Vanessa, did you really go on next season? In the batch? I think you're going to get engaged to Nick file I didn't think I was going to get engaged, but I definitely was hoping for a connection for sure, but having of course.

But I also never saw any of the previous seasons. I had no idea what the show was about other than handing out roses. I had no idea what I was getting myself into. But for sure I was walking in because I'm a hope was romantic. You've never seen a single episode of the show before going on the show, and yet you decided to blindly sign up for it and just trust the magical producers. That be bad preparations people.

I'm sure people who have watched seasons at the show had no idea what they were getting themselves into two and they thought that they could have you know, they thought they probably knew that what they were doing throughout their season, but no, they didn't. I can only speak for myself and on the show. I fully never expected to make it that far. And then when we were there filming, that's when I started investing in getting feelings

for this girl. And that's when I was like, holy crap, I am actually getting jealous of other guys and this sucks. So but I didn't nearly have the connection that Sean and Heard did, so I can only imagine that level of it. I will say I saw a couple episodes of Caitlin season. I remember. I remember seeing Sean and I was like, he kind of looks like a poor man's around gosling and I was watching it with my buddy. He looks he does. He walked in and I was like, well,

this night's over. I'm gonna be honest, I don't remember you in that season. I remember a little bit of Nick and his in his ruffy little afro. Ha. Yeah. Um. So that's my first kind of experience the whole Bachelor franchise. I obviously it sucks, as we've kind of beat the dead horse with this already. It sucks to see a couple's breakup. Um. I would imagine they probably have been broken up for a while and they just decided finally announce it publicly. Um, because that seems to be the

obviously that the way to go about it. And now logistically like that, I know that they live in Nashville. I wonder if they're both going to stay in Nashville. One's gonna go, you know, wherever they go. So it'll be interesting to see how that kind of all unfolds. But obviously we wish nothing but the best, totally two incredible people. So there's I'd be lying if a little part of me hope this, hopes that they find each other once again. What if? What if Caitlin goes back

to Nick. I mean he got second, he got second on her season. We're moving, There's no way. I don't think they're just so there's such different people. Yeah, even back then, opposite the tract they do, they don't. Nick and I were complete opposite. Are you and Caitlin the same person? Caitlin and Yeah, Calan. I love Caitlin. I love hanging out with her. I mean I love hanging out Jared. But I wouldn't necessarily say that we're the same person. No, but yeah, we love hanging out. I'm

not saying. I'm not saying Caitlin and I are the same person. I think we just like. I'm just saying, I love this is a story of it. I love giving love a second chance when it doesn't work out. Maybe she could go and revise her pick and maybe make the decision to I think that ship is said so second to first, second to first, Now he's anyway, and well Fix Times a show. So you guys know I'm in Toronto. I don't know if you guys follow

me on Instagram. I'm so I'm here with While we were here for the sixth Foundation, it was me, Danna, Jayson, Blake, Um, Alexis and who else came into town and not forgetting someone Ascid and Kevin Um. So we're all here for the sixth Foundation and Um. First of all, I didn't want to highlight before I talked about what I want to talk about. The women that were throwing themselves at Jason and Blake in sanity shock you. Well, it's talking because as a woman coming out of the franchise, guys

don't throw themselves at us. So I've never really and pressed. When I was with Nick, women wouldn't throw themselves at him because he would engage to me, so because I'm not to me, but he was just games. So I've never really experienced it. But wow, it was overwhelming. I don't know how you guys handle that now. Those two are a Jason and Blake are two of the most eligible bachelors in the country, you know, and in Canada.

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wait wait wait wait. We keep saying Frankie Grande. I thought you were referring to like like you were saying like Peter Grande, like like that's a that's a couple name. I thought Arianna was dating a guy named Frankie. I didn't know we were referring to Pete Davidson as Peter. That's news to me too. Okay, okay, get off your high horse. Uh well, Grande's Ariana Grande's brother, Vanessa. Do you know who he is? Yeah? Okay, I knew that

I knew he was on TV at some place. I sat next to him at the Jurassic World premiere humble brag right there. That was able to go to that. The only reason I was able to go was Ashley though. Let's be let's pretty real. Um so. But apparently there was news come out that Frankie Grande is in something called a throuble. Do you know what a throuble is? We've talked about this on the podcast before. A three way couple of my it is a three it's a

three relationship. That's how they're saying. I don't know how to pronounce it a three relationship. It's it's three people in in in one relationship. So is it him and another guy and a girl with him and two girls? Three guys? So he is in a throuble with a gay couple. Okay, I didn't know that was really a thing. I didn't know. Is the thing to the extent of there is its own term. I think it only would have well obviously not only, but I think it is

easier when it's same sex. I would assume, you know, well, this is interesting. Let's hear it, Dan, and let's hear this. It just makes more sense. It's it's a third share of each person versus if it's two guys and a girl, then those two guys get a fifty fifty share unless they're bi sex. And if there's two girls and it's share. But if it's three girls, one third, one third one third, its three guys one third one third to the third. If it's two girls, one guy, one half, one half

of the girls get the full guy. So it's just from a perspective, you can couple off in three separate ways without any hurt feelings or anything. I'm just gonna check your math on that one. Yeah, I know you're right. It's like a Blake Lively Savage situation. You know, she's got the one guy who fulfills her physical needs and the other guy that fulfills her emotional needs. For those who don't know, Savage As was a movie with Blake Alive and Mel Hurst one of my favorite actors. Okay,

thank you, Jared. Um. Okay, well, so how was sitting next to you at the movie premiere? It's pretty cool. Who's very energetic, very outgoing. I'm not you know. When I heard the news, I was like, yeah, that makes sense. Um, I could see him and like, so, how was this news? How did this become news? He revealed it on a red carpet to US magazine. He's open to talking about it. They asked him how his dating life was going, and

he said, oh, well, I've got two boyfriends. Well, I think people are just intrigued by the idea of a throuble and what exactly that means and how it's becoming a thing now today. I'm a little intrigued to there's actually so I was watching a show one time that was about a throuble and it was so apparently it was this guy and this girl, and he was like, there's a there's somebody in charge of the throuble. Apparently

there's like one alpha and there's two betas. Apparently that's about how this guy was describing I don't know if it's accurate or not, but he was saying that he was in a he was in a relationship with one girl. They both agreed that they wanted another girl to enter the relationship, but apparently they needed to meet the third girl at the same time. One they could not like. For example, she had a friend who was like, hey,

I'd love for her to join this throuble. He was like, no, no, no, that's not the relationship would have been further apparently, and would have been more further involved than the other. And that's where jealousy and insecurity comes in. He was saying that if two people are committed relationship and they want to add somebody else, it should be a stranger that neither one of them knows, and they should both be introduced to this stranger at the same time for a

throuble or just for a night. Really a relationship, a relationship within three people. But that this man was saying, I kind of disagree that because the fast forward a month. Obviously that person that was just introduced is going to feel more strongly about one or the other, you know, So it's like, either way that person is gonna develop

stronger feelings. Well that's why I was thinking someone else. Well, that's where this guy was saying that there's like um dominance comes in exactly, so like the alpha kind of controls like the beta's. It's I don't know this is how this gentleman was explaining it. I don't know if this is how this is relationship working, but there is It is interesting to me. To see how that dynamic would work within jealousy and like if you're spending more time with one person than the other. Uh, I'm curious

about that. I'm curious if Frankie was in a relationship and then added a third guy, if the three came together at once, like it was like kind of a Pokemon getting like an evolution stone or whatever. Moving on to Wow, that's great. Yeah, he's involved with a married couple. They're already married. This is his quote. He says, Mike and Daniel are both extraordinary people, and I think the world of them. Each of them complete me in different ways, and I'm honored to be in this very special, very

fun relationship. It does seem that like Frankie is the beta, like right, because if they were already married and then he's joining them, maybe they were two betas that needed enough with to come in. Maybe that's a good point. And think about the Vanessa, you have any thoughts about this throufle Vanessa? The question is are we all sort of hmm on it because it's not many people do it, Like if everybody was doing this, would we be like,

of course? I think for me, I don't know, I'm married to theself if you're getting married or getting married for one person. But then again, last week was the last week it was talking about being open to the idea of a freesom. I wouldn't necessarily invite someone into my emotional space in my relationship. I would just invite them into the space. But what if they offered you the same commitment that your other partner did in terms of like emotional security and all that kind of stuff.

I don't think I would be able to uh divide my attention in that kind of way. I'm a very and we're all wired very differently. I'm wired to love one person at a time. If you're not required to do anything, but you are allowed to receive more things, you know what I mean? What if what if the obligation doesn't fall on you to them babysit to relationships that then allows you to be open to receiving two

new relationships. No, because I feel like I feel like everyone kind of needs to be on the same page whenever you invite someone into your personal romantic space. There needs to be so many rules and already relationships well, no, I mean there needs to be rules in the shad that everyone kind of needs to agree to what happens, right of course, especially you've got to all communicate, and they're like, all right, this is what we're gonna do. This is how it's going to go down. But that's

what I'm saying. So if I'm getting, if I'm getting emotionally the attention, or if I'm receiving something, I'm gonna have to agree that that person that's coming into my relationships, they're gonna have to understand that I'm not gonna be able to give it to them either. I'm just exhausted from being in a relationship with one person. Well, I couldn't imagine being in a relationship with two other people.

Especially Actually I'm sure that's a ghasting but it's like, you know, you gotta you want to keep up your game having double the effort. Of my question is what if Frankie hooks up with another guy that's not part of the throuble. Is that considered cheating? I would imagine, So a throuble is a committed relationship. You're in a committed relationship with two other people. But that was my question. Do they see, like, do all three of the people in the throuble not just for kis by any uh

do they see each other as soulmates? Is it like, oh, I don't have one soulmate, have two and that's where we're all in this relationship together. Or is it just like I don't believe in dating one person, which is why I'm dating multiple people once. That would be the interesting question. I would have to be like, do you guys see each other as soulmates? Or is this more like I don't believe in soulmates, which is why I'm in a trouble. Back to Dean's point that you're gonna

have feeling stronger for one than the other. There's a quote that says, if you love two people at the same time, choose the second one because if you really love the first one, you wouldn't have fallen for the second one. Or that's a movie or something is supposedly Johnny Depp said that. I don't know where, but is there anything to do you agree with that? Um? It's funny.

So I I read this thing about soul much the other day that says something along the lines of, if you believe in soulmates, you're more inherently lazy than someone who doesn't believe in soulmates, and you're less willing to work on a relationship because if things are going awry or poorly in a relationship, and you'd be like, oh, they're just not my soulmates, so I'm not going to

try and fix this relationship. So maybe there's just a movement of people that are saying we don't believe in soulmates and because of that, we are open to exploring different types of relationships. Might be a threatle I don't know that's it's just it's a weird tiest obviously, because it's hard to even grasp the concept of it, right. Yeah, it's so foreign that I don't know if I could

ever put myself in those shoes. Back to that quot though about soulmates, I do think I think that just might be an indictment on people, not so much on people believing in soulmates. I think that's just more lazy people being lazy in relationship and not willing to work through difficult times. And if they blame it on this person is not my soul mate, I think that's just stupidity, not what you believe. Do you believe in soulmate? You know? I used to say yes, but I think i'm I'm

slowly to during the opposite direction. I was the same way until I started day Nashley, I don't know, I'm and I'm a hope of traumatic and everyone knows that. I'm not sure if I believe in the idea of a soul mate like that'd be so sad form a single until their later years and to say that they've never found their soulmate. I think there's multiple people that were meant to be with at different stages in our life, and you could be happy with either one of those options. Well,

so are are either these people Frankie SOULMATEE? Then is the question or vice versa? Or either did these people find their soul mate? Mary? He married his husband and then he was like, oh wait, actually we just found our second soul mate. What happens if the married couple, if one of them starts going on more dates with Frankie and then the husband kinda just gets becomes an afterthought. But you see what I mean, there's like, it's just so chaoic. How do you how do you you need

a monitor so equal time is spent with each person. Yeah, sounds like a lot of it, doesn't It doesn't sound easy. It sounds like a logistical nightmare. It sounds stressful. There's like some religions where people were the man can marry multiple women. Yeah, you can date as many people as you want. You know, a guy can have seven wives. He has one in the living room, one in the bedroom,

when in the guest bedroom, in the office. Yeah, And there was there was whoa easy um But there there was a TV show based on this and the women were actually like all that, but they were all living in different homes and the guy would go that their husbands would go to each of their homes and like spend equal amount of time with each of them. And it just worked for that. You know, whatever floats your boat. Really, it's a fun word to say, isn't it. Polygamy. It's

not the word. It's just a fun word to say. Really. I do want to say something about soulmates that had me thinking, like, my interpretation of soulmate might be different than your guys. I don't believe soulmate is just one person. I do believe that there are people in this world though, that you can spend the rest of your life with. They're compatible enough to join them on this journey called life. But I don't necessarily mean that that there's only one

person out there. But I do think that there are characteristics and personalities and people out there that, for example, Dean, you can spend the rest of your life with. Now there might be multiple I have I have a fun sex in the city. Are the girls carries soulmate or is big that becomes it's not. I think it's both. I think it's aiden, but that's just me own soul mate.

Of course you can absolutely well. Wait, since you brought up the word compatibility, I have a question for you, guys, so I have with having this power with a friend of mine. Do you think you're compatible with someone or do you think you can even be compatible with someone until you start fighting with them? Because you know how everyone's on their best behavior when you're not arguing, But then the minute you don't have, the minute you don't get something you want, you get to see the worst

side of a person, and then once you argue. For me, the biggest thing is um repair. And if someone is not able to repair an argument the same way as I as I do, then I don't know if we're even compatible. No, I agree, I think you have to learn. Yeah, it makes perfecent. You have to learn, excuse me, how

each other fight? You know, because it is you. You're in that romantic you're in that infatuated state really on, and so I agree that you need to really you need to have an argument and learn how each other fight. Really to designate. Okay, well, how is this relationship going to go? Because within any relationship, you're gonna fight. But have you, guys ever thought like, have you ever thought about passaways to sue you've had and why they worked out or why they did it? Does it have to

do with I don't really get people. It's funny because all like like, well, I disagree with just about everything. So it's a little bit different. But it's funny because I'll date people or I'll even have friends. Then they're always like, do you ever get mad? Like I can never picture you getting mad, And that's very true. It's like I'll have a little disagreements and things, and and as I've mentioned before, like I'm sarcastic to the point where people can maybe perceive it as me arguing or

something that's actually had this conversation the other day. I'm not I'm never really arguing anything, Like I don't really hair strongly enough about anything to argue anything. But I will debate this out of anything that you say, whether or not I believe it's true or not, and that can lead to that can lead to It's just fun Devil's advocates. I enjoyed a Devil's advocate. It's fun to press someone on an idea that they have to see how firmly they believe it and how much they don't

know about it. Oh. Yeah's exhausting to date me. That's not that's not news. I'm well aware of this, and I thought you were too. No, well, we've discussed to the point of Naja on this podcast that necessary to rethink whether she wants to date you anymore. Dan. Anyways, I wonder if a DNA test can tell you who

your soul mate is. I mean, it's got to be possible, right If they can tell you whether you have detached ear lobes, or your left hand or your left handed, they should be able to tell you if and who your soul mate is. I would imagine it's going to have anyways three in me. Maybe I might not be able to tell you who your soul mate is, but they will be able to provide you some amazing DNA results that will tell you so much about your history

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listening to the podcast. Spit by twenty three and Me rolling in his grave, And I do want to point out one quick thing about last week that I was miss informed on. I thought that I knew what I was talking about. Turns out I only knew a little bit. We had a who was it? He was a genealogist or something like that. He emailed the podcast and he said, I was. I was talking about the chromosomes that we have twenty three X and then twenty three pairs of exs and then the male will have an X Y pair.

He says, the way chromosomes work, and that's what I said. Let me let me so how it works. We all have chromosomes named one through two. Downsinsim for example, is called trisan me twenty one because as an extra third copy of chromosome one. But we only have one pair of what we are called the sex or what are called the sex chromosomes X and Y. Women are X X men or X y UM. So I was wrong on that statement. I wanted to clear the air on that because I don't want were you wrong about so?

I said that women have twenty three pairs of xx chromosomes and men have twenty two pairs of x X and one pair of x Y chromosome, which isn't necessarily the case. I remember that's when I talked about how the mail gender could be completely a ball in a thousand generations from now or no, no, no no. I was like, right, thank you, thank you very much. You guys are so kind, say Nicole sent that. Even by the way, if I if I was if I wrote that on a mid term exam, I probably would have

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they can offer you some pretty interesting insight into your past. So, Vanessa, single and very much ready for vingal, did you just rehard yourself in the third person? I did. I just didn't want to gloss over that I'm you know, I think about first of all, I wanted to say when I was in Toronto this weekend, I went to two events.

One was for the Kevin's Events and the other one was at the Husson's Bay, And the amount of people that came up to me and just spoke about the podcast was it was so touching, And I just wanted to let you guys know that there's so many people that do listen to us and people that are listening to us. Thank you so much. UM, I love whenever you come up to me and and say how much

you love our podcast. So I was talking to a friend of mine and she's going on a date and she's like, I wonder if I should ask just about his flaws and I'm Michael, why would you want to bring something negative up about this person? It's just like, well, I want to know if he's self aware of whether or not he has like the flaws that I would think he would have or whatever. So do you think it's a good idea to ask when you're dating someone at the very beginning of the relationship, to ask each

other what each other's flaws are? It sounds like it's really getting to know each other. It sounds like a job or to you where like you're sitting down someone's like, okay, name your granny strength. Okay, now you name your grainy s weakness. Um, God, I don't know. I don't think. What do you think, Dean? I would say, no, why is it? Why? No? Well, what to ask somebody is about their flaws in the first date seems a little aggressive. Well not the first date. I'm saying at the beginning

states before you really get to know each other. What I've started doing is I'm just just put it all out there, most all the bad and whatever good. There is no exactly being only talk about himself exactly, because that way you do, you're getting yourself into before you even have to commit too much time to it. No, but you need to work on loving the parts of yourself that you think aren't lovable. Yeah, but Dean downplays himself so you can exceed expectations. But who actually really

knows their flaws? Like, I'm gonna ask each of you right now, what are your flaws? Oh, I'm impulsive that yeah, I'm indecisive when pulsive is good and pulsivity is good. No, it's not. It's not because I'm either black or white and we spoke about this, Damia, I'm either I don't know how to how to whom in the areas of great and that's the terrible thing when you're dating someone because there's all great areas. So I'm I'm I'm aware of that. And is it something that I should highlight

to the person that I'm interested in like it? Or is that a warning sign? Like this's just crazy? Whenever? I will say this though, if if I were to ask somebody about their flaws early on and they gave me some kind of like bs, like you know, I just I love pleasing people, So you work too hard? Work too hard? It's no, I want to know a real flaw, So Amy I will agree with you. They're like, do people really explain their flaws like something they're actually

insecure about? Would they ever admit that? Because I don't know, Yes, I think you should. I'm not saying they would so well, Vanessa, I think also the question pertains on the circumstance. How early on is this? Is it a date in? Is it a month in? That's the question I would have. I don't know upon meeting that person, just start unloading. I don't mind this as a first date question. I

don't know. Maybe I'm crazy, but I feel like the reason it's in a job and if he was the same reason to be on the first The reason it's a bad question on the first date is because if they're not answering that question without you asking it, then it's not going to be answered truthfully and honestly. And a law, guys, is only a flaw if it's something that is difficult for the other person to deal with. So my flaw with someone is very different than the

same thing with someone else. And nobody really knows their own flaw alas you guys, until you're in the relationship and it becomes a thing. So yeah, I would agree with that because it's only a good luck to everybody. You're all screwed. I guess I kind of agree with that. If guys like I'm a cuter, then yeah, that's the red flags for like anyone. That's unless you guys want to have have an open relationship. If you would never say that though, trouble committing to one person? Okay, check please.

I actually dated someone that said I may or may not have a hard time being loyal, and I'm like, I will say, you know what, give a person credit though they were honest. Absolutely, yep they were, and I'm guessing still single. Probably you know, it's a flaw that they got overcome, but at least they were like, hey, listen, by the way, I don't know if I could be in a committed relationship, and if we are, I could cheat on you. So it's up to you whether you

want to take this endeavor or not. But I'm just forewarning you, by the way, speaking of flaws, and none of you have to deal with this yet, but just looking into the future, you know you can we all have our flaws, and you can live a full, productive life with the flaws. You can have a full relationship with those flaws and then you have kids, and when you have kids, your flaws are reflected back to you and you shine the giant spotlight on your flaws and

it's the worst. I'm having kids. It's great being a dad, but boy, you see it really clearly everything that's wrong with you because you see them doing it and realize where they got it, and it's so uncomfortable. What have you experienced your kids projecting back to you what you put onto Look, I don't know that I could have been this open when I before I had kids. But I can be a sarcastic jerk and I have a temper,

and I see him in both of my kids. I see that in both of them, and I'm like, man, we really mess up our kids without even realizing that we're doing it. When I see it reflected back, I'm like, Matt, I have to be a better person. And it's made me a better person because you start to see it and you start to see how they see you, and you're like, oh man, it's life. Never you never stopped the self improvement in life that makes me have kids to see objectively what's wrong with me. I mean, I

have ideas. I know what's wrong with that until I see it firsthand what I have, You're gonna look at your kids and be like, that is the most beautiful

kid in my entire life. It's funny because I was thinking about this yesterday because I definitely do have like these self worth issues, even though like on the other sides, like okay, like i know, like I'm pretty good looking, I know I'm pretty smart, I know I'm pretty funny, and I'm pretty kind of all this kind of stuff, and it's like, well, I still kind of suck though. I think we have all those Yeah. Yeah, anyways, I don't know. I think I think it's a fair question

to ask. I just again, I don't think that if you're asking that question, you're not going to get the answer that you want, because they should be they should just be like forward with that information anyways, And if they're not willing to be bored with it, then you're probably not going to get the answer that you want to out of asking that question. Does that make sense, Yeah, it makes perfect sense. I wanted to transition for a

quick sation. Andybody watch the Kardashians in here, Yes, every week, every week, I keep up with them. You're lying to me well, I had a question. Ashley's obviously a big Kardashian fans, so I was watching the episode, and you know, I always blame it on Ashley. UM, I don't like watching her anything. The Lord Dissack is my favorite. Um so last night He's the best. Last Night was an

episode where it got aired. Remember that story about Tristan Thompson cheating on Clode Kardashian came out, So I just wanted to get your opinions about that little topic because it came out. It was a little bit more in depth about the whole situation where Tristan was at the club he had the video taken of him making out with another girl while Chloe is days away from giving birth,

and it just got me thinking, Vanessa. You know, obviously cheating is horrible, but it got me thinking about like the different levels of cheating and if if if you were in a relationship and a guy made out with another girl, would it be would you immediately come out of me? I would be I'd be terrified of Vanessa. I feel like Vanessa just punch that guy square in the face and knock him out. And the thing is, um,

when ever someone gets seated on. I think our eagles like, well, that person cheated on me with my man, you know, like they knew I was in a relationship. It's not the other woman or the other man. It's the person that you're dating. Be to the asphalt, not the person that was involved. Um, I mean, listen, we don't know the level of what the relationship was. Like, yeah, they're having a baby together, were they? I don't know what the level of the relationship was. They were having a

baby together, they were living together in Cleveland. What do you mean we don't know the level of the relationships. I don't I don't keep up with the Kardashian So I don't know what's the level. Okay, so you don't know what the level of relationship was we as fans of the Kardashians, and what the level of relationship was. They were living together and pregnant with a child. Yeah, Tristan Thompson was. It doesn't get more together than that, other than having a ring on her finger, which you

might as well have had at that point. Okay, why are you yelling? Because I'm I'm invested in this relationship, is very invested in this relationship right now? Well, it got me a question because there was actually scenario a few years ago that occurred, UM where it was a friend of mine was in a relationship, a very loving relationship with this girl who was wonderful. Um, but it was it was the senior year of college. She was out, there's drinks had with a couple of her guy friends.

One thing led to another and they ended up she ended up kissing one of the guy friends and it was like a kiss that lasted like five seconds. She felt horrible about it. She went back to her boyfriend like later that week, you know, told him everything, was very upfront and honest about everything. They were probably about a year within their relationship at this point. So like for me that it's kind of like a gray area, right because I'm like, well, that is cheating, but man,

is it? Yeah, that's my question. Yeah, Vanessa, as a girl, say, a guy went out, he was very loyal, very good boyfriend, but one night just got a little drunk and kissed a girl and was like, holy, what the hell did I do? So I've never been cheated on, or at least I don't think I've ever been cheated on, So I don't know what I would do because I don't have an insecurity when it comes to being someone being faithful and loyal with me. I thought I have other

insecurities and relationships. Um so, I it's never really crossed my mind. But of course, like I said, because I'm so black and white, I don't know if I'd be able to ever look at that person the same way. Um again, and I think I think I would emotionally kind of be out and I wouldn't want to do with them. So that's the question that's a deal breaker and what's not it? Because we all can agree what's cheating with not cheating? What's a relationship ender? And what

if something you can work through? It depends on on the relationship you are. If you love the person, it takes a lot more to end their relationship when if you're kind of party for down in the first place. To the reason I asked this questions because Chloe is obviously still with Tristan together. Of course they're still together exactly, so for the kids, that is a different level. And here's the thing he plays in the NBA. All of those guys are gone out and making out checks on

a regular basis. Okay, yes, we're gonna make the generalization, making the generation all NBA players go out every time they're in your city and make out with girls at the club that they have a bottle at. I don't believe that. I don't believe that you're living out live then you're living with what you're living with, blinders on Vanessa. I think they have a bad reputation, absolutely, But to say that every NBA play or in every NFL player

or any whatever, AFL, whatever, that's a great sport. Yeah, that's my favorite every Thursday night and whatever. I don't know every single person, but I was generally speaking, most of those guys go out. But so are you saying if you start dating a professional athlete, your expectations of of one different in terms of fidelity. Without question, I think it has to be at least in your mind. I think it's a real factor. Like look at what

happened Danny Avendola, Danny Mandola and Olivia Coppo. They were in a relationship date so so they were dating for a while, they broke up, and then it looked like the past couple of months they started dating again. They were on each other's Instagram, but apparently then he was spotted with another girl down in Miami, like last week

on the beach. On the beach, somebody that kind of looks like Olivia Cobo, but it wasn't her, and they were like kind of touchy feely, and so apparently the story is that like Danny and Olivia were like dating but like not committed and like he he. The story goes that, like Olivia was like his one chick and this girl was like her his number two chick, and

she was she didn't know about it. So it's like, but I gotta say, it does feel like a lot of athletes within the sporting world, there's more story about. These guys are heroes in their hometowns that they play in. They have millions of dollars. Of course, there are incredible people. I would imagine like a Steph Curry is incredibly faithful to his wife, and you see these very successful and

happy marriages. But I would imagine majority, if not nine plus percent, of these guys are going out because they're going to new cities every week every day. That's something. They're always on the road. They're always on the road. Is there also a city element, like if you're dating somebody in l a Manhattan is a different expectation than dating somebody in Omahana, Braska. Yes, without question. What's with all these tea ball of questions? You guys freaking talking.

They're all so clear cut, right and wrong, not right and wrong. But you're dating someone in l A. I'm not passionate. I'm just a little cranky. He was on a red eye from Hawaii this morning. I agree, there is dating someone in l A is different than dating

someone and you know, oh yeah, I agree. I just had this conversation this morning with a friend of mine and he was living in New York and in l A. And she's happily marriage is like, yeah, it was just like I was the worst beating experience being in l A and being in New York. And I'm like, I get it. I'm back in one three all now. Absolutely, I always, especially when girls and and guys for instance, are looking to settle down, it's much more challenging to

settle down. Granted you have a lot more people to meet, but because of that, I think it makes it much more challenging to meet the right person. I agree, there's just so many shiny things in cities like New York and l a there's you know, your eyes are always going over the place, which is why you should just probably be in a throttle and being a couple, you

know more than one person. All Right, I'm gonna make before we do the spot which we got are doing, Gonna make a controversial statement and then we can discuss it after the spot. Okay, I think that when I do believe this, I think that when a woman cheats it is more forgivable than when a man cheats. I disagree, and we'll get to the reason why after we talked about Audible. Um, we've talked about Audible before. They've been

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cheat for different reasons. Men cheat because of physical urge of physical attractiveness. Men see something and they just decide, I'm going to act on this, where the part of the relationship is the agreement that I'm not going to act on these feelings. So they see someone and they act on those feelings and they destroy the whole idea of the relationship. Now, when women cheat, I do believe it's because they are not getting what they need from

their partner. So I think there's a lot more blamed to be placed on the guy in the relationship when the woman cheats, because if he was doing everything he needs to do for her. And I'm not saying in the bedroom, I'm saying in light all around, around the clock, it's always the guy's fault. What you're saying, if the girls cheats, the guys fall. I know it does sound like it's such a cop out to be like, oh, I cheated, but it was his fault. He just doesn't

do it for me because of the reasons why. I gotta be honest, I hate this. I hate this. I also know plenty of women that just find their person I would actually annoying. That's not a reason to cheat. To your point, So a man cheats because of physical urges, right, a woman would cheat because of an emotion emotional needs. That I actually agree with you, but I don't agree with the fact that it makes it any better. Okay.

I agree that with your assessment that maybe women cheat more often because of those reasons rather than guys just doing it instinctually. Having said that it's still for me doesn't make it okay. I'm not saying it's okay. I'm saying I'm saying like, if my wife cheated on me, I wouldn't know that I have failed her in some way and we need to work on that. And if it would be haven't inherent need to experience a new physical whatever reason I chose, the relationship would end at

that point. So what if a guy was in a relationship with the girl, maybe the intimacy was slacking in that department for a little while, so he was out one night and saw a girl and instinctually was like

I need that does it? And then he goes back pure physical and he's like, I did this, but it's it's you know, you're you're not fulfilling my needs in that department is that somehow I'm the girl now because if you conversely say that with the guy with like the girl being like, you're not giving me the romance or the you know, both situations, they should be communicating with the other person if you're not getting what they

need physically or emotionally. I agree. That's why I agree with the idea that girls cheat more often, probably because of the emotional side of it. Having said that, I just don't agree that like it's eating more easily to forgive. Cheating emotionally is much worse than, my opinion, cheating physically, and they'll define that. I think if a guy grant,

neither of them are good. But if a guy is dating someone goes out as a one night stand, comes back, communicates that clearly to his girlfriend whatever, that's not as bad as if a guy and a girl are dating, and a girl then emotionally latches onto someone else while she's has a boyfriend and continues to profsue a relationship emotionally with someone else. That's worse in my opinion, because then you're investing time, you're investing feelings, you're investing emotions,

whatever it is. So you would rather have somebody just cheat the one night physical part of it, rather than like have a two month long emotional connection with somebody and being like, I'm really second guessing my relationship a thousand percent. Yes, Okay, I gotta feelings on this. Yeah, I guess so much talk. I'm just gonna sit here and like observe what you guys are saying. I don't, okay,

I understand everyone is saying. I agree that if a woman is cheating, it's because there's something in the relationship that UM is not being met to her needs. At that point, I think they thin she should communicate what her needs are. I don't think anyone should ever go to um lasting on onto someone else, either physically or mostly to find those needs. But I do like DNA thing. I wouldn't much rather be speeded on physically because that's like a one nice thing, just like the most of

attached to it. Then if my boyfriend was mostly invested in another girl, I don't know, because then I couldn't get the picture. Like if I have a girl cheating on me, I don't know if I'd get over the image of her physically being with somebody. That would be very difficult. For me, like anytime I'm even next to her being like somebody else was. Yeah, but if you have to choose, if you have to choose, you'd rather her have an emotional connection, because women like when we

like you like people hard. You'd rather her have someone that she cares for deeply, as opposed to someone I says like I just needed to bank someone tonight. Man, it's a tough question, but I might actually prefer the emotional one for the simple fact that, like, if they go out and cheat and actually have sex with somebody else, I think the relationships over at that point. Anyway. That's another male female distinction there, I think, because men that have put sex it's such a bigger deal to us

for them to physically boost someone else. Yeah, that's interesting. I think you're right. I think men put more of a premium on sex than females. I think, so cranky, do you know that? I don't know. It's just some guys are just hard, hard wired to do that, you know, to just cheek to just hook up with girls. I

guess well. I mean, as long as you're self aware about it and not in committed relationships, then you're okay doing it, right, I guess I think I think that men and women at a certain point need to get it out of their system. I agree with that, Like, yeah, like I know I'm a cat. I know I could be. I know I will be a great mother, I know

I'll be a great wife. But I think for the guys that I dated, for them, it's like, oh, I'm not ready to be with someone who is a cat because I just want to go out and have fun and and so it hasn't worked out with people, with the people that I've dated because they weren't ready to commit to that level. You can't be a catch if you're not willing to be caught, right, But I am

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all I just wanted. So when we were on air Case and Caitlin Bristow, we were talking about her breakup with Sean earlier, how sad it is. She posted an Instagram story with her punching a punchy bag to whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger, What doesn't kill you makes you stronger? I think that's a song, but I'm not sure if it was you that was singing it. Um, okay, I'll say it. It's Does it not seem like it's directed towards a million percent Sean? I've thrown a lot

of percents today. They've all been north a ten thousand. What is Sean known for his gym? Oh? Well, I didn't put it together together like that either. I think it's hard. It's going through public breaks up and then and things like this kind of allow for more support from outside people, which is great, Like what doesn't kill you makes you stronger. Obviously she's saying like, Okay, look I'm gonna grow from this. I'm gonna be stronger from it.

And she's gonna have people like supporting her and be like, look, girl, you got this. You're absolutely right, And that's that's exactly what she needs. If that's what she needs, that's what she should be doing, you know, totally. But it definitely directed at the breakup. Like I don't know if the punching the bag, Like Sean's not the punching bag. I'm not saying punching bag. It's just interesting that his whole thing is you know, physical just because just because he's

a fitness instructor means that Caitlin can't go to the gym. Now. No one's saying that. It's like saying, it's very interesting that you would post a video to that. It makes me think song which is obviously about the breakup. I mean, I don't think anybody's really second guessing that. It makes me think of for getting Sarah Marshall when Jason Segal goes to Hawaii. Oh I can't go to Hawaii because Sarah Marshall's heard of Hawaii. Oh I can't go to the gym now because my ex fiance owns a gym.

You also understand that, like, alright, fine, I want to

talk about it more. But I just think that if you post something that's obviously a day after the breakup, everybody's going to take it as the breakup, and the more it could have been anything could have been her driving if after like Christine and I ended things and I went to get my teeth cleaned and I posted my teeth getting clean because she used to be a denial higgenist with that song over it, then maybe it'd be like a little bit telling of what doesn't care

it makes me stronger. But the fact that she's at the gym doing like what you do at the gym, it just like I think it's appropriate, you know. But yeah, everything, Christina, we put Blake on the spot about this, and I can't remember if we've already asked you about this. Did that weird you out that they like hung out or

talked or whatever? You see? Yeah? So, actually I was in Denver, I think at the same time as them, the first time they hung out, and people kept coming up to me at the bars and they're like, they're like, Dean, Dean, Christina is here. I was like, oh, cool, that's great. Uh and they're like, yeah, she's with Blake. How do you feel about I was like, I don't know. I'm happy for them. And this was before we went to Vegas altogether. And so I texted Blake because we're all

in group chat together. I got some fun number and I texted him. I was like, Hey, I've heard some rumors that you and Christina are talking. Whatever it is, I just won't let you know, Like, I don't want it to be weird between us. If you make her happy and she makes you happy, I'm incredibly happy. For both of you, and I can't wait to meet you in Vegas. Met him in Vegas and we like talks about a little bit. Um. It doesn't weird me at at all. Like I've hung out with like a few

times now. He seems like a great guy, so it's not like it really weirds me out. But what's funny too, is, um, I guess Leslie is in a new relationship as well, which is obviously great for her. I like that's the thing. I like, I'm not gonna sit here and be like, oh I I want the worst for them. Like if Christina is happy that with Blake, fantastic, that makes me

incredibly happy. If Leslie's happy with this new guy that she's dating, incredible, that makes me just as happy as if I was able to make out of the mate,

which maybe necessarily wasn't the case. But it's like, I don't know, it's it's pretty funny, especially like Blake Blake in response to that message that I sent him after um the pre Vegas when he was like thank you so much, Like obviously he's grateful because it would have been kind of weird, you know, Like obviously Christine and I had a pass um, but there's no bad blood there. There's no bad blood in my opinion, between Leslie and I.

I don't know, Leslie. I don't know. There was like some article and I posted about it on the help us Out, a dating Facebook group. Yeah. Well, since I'm a narcissist, I have Google alerts that every time my name gets mentioned in an article, I get an email. Well,

of course I'm what people are saying about me. She mentioned my name in an interview where they interviewed her and they were like, hey, we saw you post a picture of a guy's legs, and she was like yeah, and then she kind of like talks about me for a second. You don't have an alert for your name, Vanessa, and you don't for your name Jared. No, I don't have. I don't even know how to set that up. I will say it's student about a month ago. It's either going to Google Google alerts. I have one for my

last name. My uncle Rick is the head of public works in Wallsaw, Wisconsin. He's the only thing that's ever come up. Are you serious your name you gotta put in as well? Will you do one for Vanessa Jared? And so that when they get pressed, we know, and then we can harass them about it right here on the shower. No one cares about me anymore, so there's not going to be anything about my life. That's probably true.

Oh that is not true. Just kidding. Um. Anyways, do we want to take an email before we wrap up? Or now? No? Okay, perfect, there we go. I'm glad you said that because I really need to use the bathroom. That'll do it. For this week's episode of Help I Suck at Dating, we want to thank you the listeners. We would love to thank our sponsors Third Love for uh supporting women around the world, giving them appropriate and accurate cup sizes and bras and very comfortable and stylish

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