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Episode #11 - Sober Fitness With Eloise Hoatlin

Jan 31, 202353 minEp. 11
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In our 11th episode, Kerry interviews Eloise Hoatlin, Who found fitness about 10 years ago as an essential part of a recovery from addiction and to support her own mental health.  Her passion for self-improvement and helping others out has led her to become a certified drug and alcohol counselor, a certified personal trainer, and recently a small business owner of East side Kettlebell Collective.

About Eloise Hoatlin

Eloise Hoatlin is a drug and alcohol counselor, personal trainer & group fitness instructor, and single mom to a teen. She has been sober for 5+ years and found fitness/exercise integral to her recovery and mental health. Eloise recently left her clinical job as an addictions counselor to open her own gym with a business partner in which she hopes to bring her dream of doing sober fitness to fruition there. 

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​ Kerry Finsand: Hello there and And I'm your host Kerry Finsand. This show is all about helping solopreneurs, navigate mental and physical health in life and business. Today's guest is Eloise Hoatlin. Who found fitness about 10 years ago as an essential part of a recovery from addiction and to support her own mental health. Her passion for self-improvement and helping others out.

Has led her to become a certified drug and alcohol counselor, a certified personal trainer, and recently a small business owner. Of east side kettlebell collective. This gym strives to create a safe and welcoming community without the typical bro energy. Now let's get to the interview. Welcome to the show, Eloise Hoatlin.

Eloise Hoatlin

Hi Kerry. Nice to see you.

Kerry Finsand

Nice to see you. We met each other a number of years ago, we did a bootcamp workout that was on the waterfront like seven, eight years ago or something?

Eloise Hoatlin

Probably about then. Yeah. Yeah. Probably al, maybe even nine. I'm not sure. , it's been a while.

Kerry Finsand

I've always liked the bootcamp type workouts. It's something that I started doing probably in my mid twenties and kind of done on and off for years. Was that your first bootcamp workout that you went to?

Eloise Hoatlin

Yeah, that was really like my first foray into any sort of like exercise at all. Like I had never done anything except for maybe like some Pilates classes or some walking, but that was like the first time I'd ever been involved in like any sort of like, Organized like training regimen, uh, that was like strength focused or cardio. I mean, I didn't even know what any of those words meant back then. I was just showing up to do a thing.

Kerry Finsand

That surprises me. I did not know that back then. I had, I had no idea. Um, and that, that class was fun cuz we were kind of buddies in that class together and teamed up to do boxing.

Eloise Hoatlin

Mm-hmm.

Kerry Finsand

When the weather was nice. It was nice to go out in the waterfront in Portland and kind of run around and do a lot of outside activities and, but it was a good group of people and it was a lot of fun. And that it seems like that really got you going to then really enjoy exercise and kind of take it to the next level. So I know we stopped doing that. I think we did that class for, I don't know, for a year or so together.

Eloise Hoatlin

Yeah,

Kerry Finsand

I don't know if it stopped, I, I don't know what happened to, if it, it just kind of got canceled or something, or we just stopped doing it.

Eloise Hoatlin

Yeah, I think the business kind of shut down. . I think there was some issues with the, with the, with the model or something and I ended up stopping and then I just kind of went on and found some other things.

Kerry Finsand

And then from that you got the, you kinda got the fitness bug and so where did you go next to?

Eloise Hoatlin

So I went from that morning bootcamp to another bootcamp. Um, my son, uh, who was in elementary school at the time, uh, there was a, a place I was advertising in the neighborhood that was offering a deal to the parents at the school. So I ended up going to that place. And again, it was another one of the reasons I chose that was the early morning bootcamp. I could go get my workout in before my son was awake. Get, get a workout, come back home, and then get him ready for school and whatnot.

Start the day. So having those, like, you know, five, six o'clock in the morning, uh, workout times is grueling, but like, there was no other way I could have gotten it done. And then from there, I just started finding. Oh yeah. I hate, I still hate it.

Kerry Finsand

The early.

Eloise Hoatlin

It's so hard. But it's, but it's also like sometimes the only time you gotta get it done early day, and then you gotta, and then you can at least, you know, have it done. And then you don't have to worry about it for the rest of the day because your day can go, you know, your day can go any direction. You know, you can have the best of intentions of working out at like, you

know, a a 5

00 PM but you don't know what phone calls you're gonna get. You don't know what your workday's gonna look like. You don't know what's gonna happen. So having it done early, you just know it's done. not have to stress about it the rest of the day.

Kerry Finsand

Yeah. Unfortunately Covid killed a gym that I was working out.

And I did 5

30 AM workouts, which was very difficult at first, but then I got used to it, but the place was two blocks from my house. So if I was running behind, which usually I was, I could just say, okay, looks like I'm sprinting there today and,

Eloise Hoatlin

Yep. warm up.

Kerry Finsand

But, um, . Yeah. But it's, it is nice to get it done for the day. And then that's kind of my coffee for the day too. Kind of, kind of gets me kind of pumped up and, and energized and everything. So you worked out at that place for a while and then you later on moved to East Side Kettlebell Club, is that what it's

Eloise Hoatlin

That's the gym. Yeah, that's, that's the gym that I own. So it's funny, just kind of reflecting on, you know, just telling you like a few years ago, not that long ago, I had never even done a fitness, and now I'm a gym o gym owner. . So it's what a what a wild ride. That's been what a, what a transformation to not knowing. uh, what, what a burpee even was to, you know, now I have my very own gym. So yeah, I hip hop.

Uh, I tried a bunch of different gyms all around Portland, mostly, you know, close to me. Uh, I live in, uh, Southeast Portland. Um, tried a bunch of different gyms and then I found a kettlebell gym that was really close to my house, uh, that had really intense workouts. And then I went to one workout there and just fell in love. And I was like, this. The one for me. And, um, you know, met a really amazing group of, um, community members through the gym and all my friends were there.

And so that was the gym that I ended up, um, getting my certification, uh, with to work at. So like that's when I ended up, that's when I decided I wanna be a personal trainer. I wanna be a kettlebell trainer, I wanna do group fitness. And uh, and that was the gym that really, um, sparked, sparked it not just to be a client, which I still am. I still love going to the workouts, but also an instructor as well.

Kerry Finsand

Oh yes, that, yeah. Bleeding hearts. Yeah, that's,

Eloise Hoatlin

hurts. Yeah. Mm-hmm.

Kerry Finsand

yeah, I, I remember I visited you there before and then did a, did a run with you cuz it's near, um, Mount Tabor. And, uh, what a great place to live near. If you want to train a great and terrible place at the same time.

Eloise Hoatlin

Good for training. Yeah.

Kerry Finsand

Tabor. I used those stairs when I was training for a Spartan race in 2019.

Eloise Hoatlin

Well, and you know, I'm at those stairs all the time. I lo, I love those stairs.

Kerry Finsand

I like to go out and do stuff, but I don't really do a lot of running anymore. It's, it's just I have a injury that came back on my foot, I like the more kind of quickness kind of things like in bootcamp classes where you just kind of do it short term. Mount Tabor is an awesome place to, to work out.

Getting back to your kind of the fitness bug, it's, such an important thing and I think for me, the reason why, Have had it most of my life cuz my dad is a fitness nut and he used to teach weightlifting in the park and rec where I grew up. And then he played sports in college . And so he's just, he's obsessed with playing and watching sports. Then also for him to be in his, you know, early 70's right now and he is still running and doing different exercising.

It is and it's, so to me it just seems like, , even if you have injuries, like we all do, you know, if you're smart about things, you should be able to do fitness for quite some time. It benefits way more than just your physical self, but your, your mental self as well. And so did you get a lot of, um, you know, mental, let's say support or relief from exercise? Like, you know, the runners, hi, I know you're an avid runner, so,

Eloise Hoatlin

Yeah.

Kerry Finsand

uh, kind of the craving of it too?

Eloise Hoatlin

Yeah. Absolutely. Um, . So when I, when I first started fitness, so like when we first met years ago at that, um, at that waterfront uh, bootcamp, what, what you didn't know at the time, , was that I had recently just left, um, an inpatient treatment program for, uh, for, uh, addiction. And so I had just gotten, um, just gotten out of that. And so, um, I was um, trying, I was recently sober and I was trying to just work on like, and I had.

Like extra time and energy, you know, I wasn't hungover in the mornings anymore, you know, and, and, um, and I was really focused on like making, changing my life around. And so, um, so I started that bootcamp and, um, just to, just to like try some new things out. And I re like f like realized like right away, like, oh my God, this makes me feel so good. And the, the relief of. Like how I felt after I worked out, you know, like that. Like, just like, you know, feeling exhausted.

So like that helped. So then you can't kind of like ruminate as much, you know, if you get tired and you can kind of pro, I process a lot when I'm, when I'm working out too, like whatever's going on in, I process in my mind and my body and it just, it just hit, it just connected with me like, oh my god. You know, there's a little bit of transference of addiction, especially like early recovery where, you know, you might substitute one addiction for another, you know?

Um, and, and that was definitely part of, part of that was just like, you know, I needed to, to have something that was gonna fill that void that was left in me. And, um, and so I just like went. Like just went in deep. I was like, okay, this is, this is my thing. I'm gonna go in hard on this because I feel good. It's healthy. And it just, um, was just amazing, like relief.

Just like the, the mental, um, part of it, aspect of just being able to like, escape for a little while, do the exercise and just feel really good and, and proud of yourself afterwards.

Kerry Finsand

So what, what, what was the turning point in you seeking?

Eloise Hoatlin

Uh, well, I mean, it was, it at that point there. I mean, that wasn't my first full disclosure, that wasn't the end of my, my story there. Like, uh, relapses is, uh, Very often, um, a part of, of the recovery process. So, um, so I was, uh, sober for a while there. Um, you know, and then I returned to drinking, uh, a couple years later. Um, and then, uh, I did another treatment program, an outpatient treatment program.

Um, and uh, and that was really the turning point for me was sort of dipping in and out of recovery, uh, places. And then, uh, in 2000. 17. Uh, I went to an outpatient treatment program, so I had, uh, hit another bottom and, uh, and you know, it got to the point where my family had really had intervened and, um, and they had, uh, decided that I wouldn't. I had slipped for my son's father at that point, so I was single parenting, trying to do everything on my own.

It was, you know, it was, it was a, it was a hard, it was a struggle, you know, I was working a lot of jobs, um, you know, trying to keep my head above water. And, um, and it was just really difficult And, um, And so it got to the point where my family, you know, said that like, we can't let you, you know, have your son anymore at this point. You know, things have really, you know, gotten to, uh, a point where we, we feel like this is, this is what needs to be done. And so that was sort of the.

The intervention that I needed to, um, to, to decide like, okay, I, this is a turning point. I'm at, I'm at, uh, a crossroads right now. So, um, and so I started an outpatient treatment program and I was there, it was five days a week. Um, , uh, for, you know, for, I mean, I think I was there for about a little over a year and a half. All all said and done. It was a long time.

Um, but, you know, you start five days a week and then you step down and, um, through that process of, you know, going to process groups and, um, you know, doing, working on with mental health and substance abuse, um, treatment, uh, and physical, you know, like all you know, that's integrative. Um, care center. And so through that process I was really able to, um, to, you know, make the actual changes in my, in my brain first that I was able to then translate into like the rest of my life.

But like I said, it was a long process. It didn't happen overnight.

Kerry Finsand

Yeah. They, they never do. And it's a forever process i, I didn't know that story about you, which, which surprised me . And I know that's one thing about, you know, with mental health, like myself, we can be really good at acting , you know, like how we're, how we're feeling in a certain timeframe, or hey, everything's fine. And then things are maybe bottled up inside or just trying to put that mask on and everything. So, I, I. at one of the, the Portland beer events I was involved in.

You're working for a chocolate company, I think, and you actually had to leave early from the event because of how you're acting or something like that.

Eloise Hoatlin

Oh,

Kerry Finsand

my, my friend. Yeah. Yeah. And I, I, my friend told me, Hey, I, I can cut all this out too if you want me to.

Eloise Hoatlin

No, no.

Kerry Finsand

My friend told me about it and I was like, she was was drunk at the show. And I was like, no way. I was like, no way. There's no way. She was that way. And then I found out about you later on, I was like, oh my God. I didn't, I didn't realize . So, that was just an experience for me to say again. Wow, we just don't really know. Who people that we are friends with, you know what they truly are going through.

Eloise Hoatlin

Yeah. Yeah, that was, uh, I, I say I do, and I don't remember, uh, that event,

Kerry Finsand

Yeah.

Eloise Hoatlin

I'm aware it happened, uh uh, but that was very close to right before I entered that, uh, that was definitely. , you know, one of the, the major, uh, things that contributed to me ending up in the outpatient treatment center. And along those, at, at that same time, I had also, um, started, uh, bleeding hearts, as a client. So my first maybe year or so at Bleeding Hearts, I think I was, I was still, I was in a relapse. I was still drinking.

I was, um, and, uh, and so, and I hadn't told anyone there that, you know, that I. Struggling that, you know, that I had been sober before and you know, so everyone, you know, I was just hanging out with the rest of the people and kind of hiding, you know, what was going on. Um, but then I entered the, you know, things went south and that's when I entered. Um, Into the outpatient treatment center, but through the, and that was very early on at Bleeding Hearts.

Most people don't remember, uh, that, because now I'm about five and a half years sober. Uh, so for this, since that, you know, 6, 14, 17 is my sobriety date. So,

Kerry Finsand

by the way.

Eloise Hoatlin

Yeah, . Thank you. So, um, so, but at that same time I had really started going to Bleeding Hearts, kettle Club. Um, often I had a really strong support system there and I was gonna like outpatient treatment and secret, like no, I didn't tell anyone what I was doing. Like no one knew what I was doing, but I was that cuz I was, I had to. you're there like basically all day. So I just wasn't, I just wouldn't really talk about it at all. A couple people knew what was going on.

Um, but that's, that's about it. But becau and then I, you know, finally started talking about it. But because I was doing the things in tandem, I was doing all this working out cuz I was basically only in outpatient treatment and taking care of, um, you know, I was, was I, I don't even think I was working my parents. I had the real, I had the privilege of having my parents be able to support me at that time. And so I was just like working out and doing , doing treatments.

That was like, it, that was my whole life. Um, and then as I was there, you know, I had started, started running and then I was doing kettlebells and. And then I was finding this community and then I was like, Hey, you guys should do these running things with me and then developing more community. And I started running hood to coast, my first hood to coast, which I've now done, I think I've been the captain of my head to coast team now for a few years. I think I've done it eight years.

It's hard to know cuz Covid kind of messed it up. So, um, my first, uh, hood to coast was with my. AA home group, you know, was the first time I did decos and I fell in love with that. So all of these things were happening at the same time. And then my, uh, my friend who owned the gym, she was like, you spend so much time here at the gym, why don't you just get certified and I'll pay you

to be here . And you know, so like all these things were sort of happening at the same time, but it was all connected towards like being, not just working out. The working out is a huge part of it, but also like the community that, um, , uh, evolves from working out, you know, like the people that you hang out with, cuz working out's great alone. Um, but it also is more fun.

I mean, that's why like the group fitness, like what we were doing, you know, you know, that makes it, that group aspect of it. You know, you can kind of have fun and push each other too at the same time.

Kerry Finsand

I love about group fitness, is that, um, and, and I definit. because of Covid killed the gym. I was going to, that was a big bumper for me. And now I'm trying to find out the, you know, a place in my neighborhood that will be a good fit at some point. But like you were talking about, you really wanna it find a good group of people that fits with your personality and what you want to do. So it is a community or a family.

Um, like I have a friend who is really into CrossFit and then he became like a CrossFit instructor. That's not his main job or anything, but he just loves CrossFit and he just became family with them. So they do stuff together. And so I think it's just really important cuz then you encourage people to be healthier.

Then you kind of give each other crap a little bit here and there if you don't show up or something, or you show up late and, and you know, just the, the ambiance of, uh, I like the, you know, the vibe, the music and everything. And, um, and then if you, maybe you do a couple classes a week and then you are like, I'm really into this. And then maybe that gets you into then doing more stuff on your own. Like you, for example, getting into running.

It's this positive domino effect of, of things after one after another where you start craving it more. And not to say it's a new addiction, but in some ways it is because, but you're feeling, you're feeling good about it yourself and what you're doing versus, you know, the downfalls of things. So, um, I can

Eloise Hoatlin

correct? Yeah.

Kerry Finsand

So you were there, you became a trainer. And I also know that you went back to school to become a counselor. Can you tell me a little bit about that?

Eloise Hoatlin

Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. So one of the things that was really transformative about my experience in the outpatient treatment center, um, is for, for me, realizing that the other times I had tried to get sober, I had just done that, just tried to get sober and then didn't change anything else in my life. So it was going back to the same jobs, going back to the same friends, going back to the same life, and just trying to do it without drinking.

And one of the things that I realized is that, like, that wasn't gonna be good enough for me this time. Like I had to change, like everything that I, that I had that was going on around me. Um, and I loved that, that treatment center. I loved my counselors. Um, you know, I really, you know, had a lot of respect and high regard for, you know, the process and everything that I learned there.

And, um, and so, While I was there, they have, they introduced me to a program through Portland Community College that helps women specifically. Um, this kind of, uh, kind of like a kickstart, a headstart into going back to college. So it's a, it's a program, um, designed for women. Trying to go back to coll. I'd been, you know, I'd been, been to college, went to University of Oregon for a couple years, um, , you know, right after high school.

But, you know, I spent most of that time partying, , and so it wasn't, wasn't super successful for me. So I hadn't been to college, um, in, you know, 20, I've been to school in like 20 years. Um, So they, they send you, you know, they, they, um, give you some classes, give you like a, you know, like, um, this is how you study. This is, this is how you get over your math anxiety. You know, here's how you write papers. So kind of just like some basic education.

And then you can, then you, uh, and that's like a free program that they, that they do for women. And then, um, and then. Yeah, it's, um, and I, I'm trying to remember the name of that, that the program. So, uh, but so I, so I started doing that. And you're with women who, um, were, are also, you know, other maybe survivors of domestic violence. Maybe they had been, um, incarcerated, maybe they had been like me and they were struggling with addiction.

Um, you know, just basically trying to start your life back over again after, you know, whatever, whatever you had gone through your life. And, um, so I started going there and I decided I wanted to be a drug and alcohol counselor. Like I, I wanted to give back. I wanted to, I needed to find, I'd worked a lot of jobs and they were just jobs to me, and I needed to find a career that was gonna be meaningful to me.

Um, when I worked at that chocolate company, one of the things that used to irk me, I loved the chocolate company. I thought it was a, it was a woman owned business. Um, and people used to ask me all the time when I was working for her, um, oh, is this your chocolate? Is this your company? And it used. I me, because then I would have to say like, no, this isn't mine. I work for somebody else. And then I realized, . That's something that's important to me.

That's something that's gonna, like, that's gonna, that's gonna fill me, is like knowing that there's something that's mine, that is, that I'm doing for myself. And so, um, that was, so that's what I was doing um, when I was doing some personal training is I have my own personal training business. Like that's mine. You know, I get to make my own , schedule my own rules with that. and I wanted to become a drug and alcohol counselor.

Um, uh, because I wanna give back, you know, when you, when you have been rescued from yourself by these team of people who help you, um, you know, it's like, I wanna do that for somebody else too. Like, I couldn't have done it without, you know, the, everyone who had helped me along the way. Um, and I also wanted to bring in, um, sober fitness to it because, uh, sober like finding, um, exercise and fitness through recovery.

I don't know where I would be if I hadn't found that relief, if I hadn't found those things at the same time. And that's not for everyone. That's not gonna help everyone, but it will help a lot of people. Like there's a huge recovery, fitness, um, world in Portland specifically right now, and I'm sure in other places. Um, but that's what I wanted to do, is I was gonna go to, I wanted to go to school and I did. I went to school.

I became a drug and alcohol counselor, um, and then I ended up, Working at the same clinic that I had been in treatment in a few years earlier. So that was kind of amazing when I had to do my, um, my practicum, which is kind of like an internship. Um, I reached out to one of my counselors there who had been there at the time, and I was like, Hey, I don't even know if this is like a thing, but like, , would it be possible if I could just do my internship there?

Um, you know, cuz she was a woman who had helped me get back into, um, community college and take me class, take classes there, and she was like, yeah, we're actually looking for like, you know, if you can like come in and interview and maybe like, we were looking for someone like right now and, and you know, it's been two years since you've been a client, so, uh, there's no conflict of interest there.

Um, so I did my internship there and then, uh, and then they ended up, after my internship was done, they ended up hiring me. So I worked as a drug and alcohol counselor. The same clinic that I had been a patient at. It was like, you know, , the, getting the keys to the asylum meeting, you know, it was like when they gave me the keys to the building was like, are you sure? Like, Because you guys, you know, you guys know me, uh, and, uh, and yeah.

You know, and, and that was just, uh, it was so, so cool to like come full circle on that, you know, to have been through treatment with them and have some of the same people who are still, um, employed there. Um, now being like my, my peers, my coworkers, and, uh, and

Kerry Finsand

they're very proud of you.

Eloise Hoatlin

Oh, absolutely. I'm actually going there tomorrow. They're having a, a potluck and, uh, and I'm gonna be giving, uh, I'm gonna be giving a, a talk, um, to, uh, I'm gi giving a little speech there again tomorrow. So yes, I still have good connection cuz I did Le end up leaving that job to open the gym. So unfortunately that was part, part of it, but you know, it was the right decision to make.

Kerry Finsand

Sure. I mean, I think, I think that's amazing about the resilience, you know, to go through this process of. trying treatment, it didn't work. And then, you know, trying it several times then figuring it out, adding exercise in there. So then you go ahead to get your certifications for personal training, and then you get your certification for, for counseling. So you're, you're doing the damn thing. You're making it happen. You're going from one stage to the opposite, and what a great.

I guess case study for the place that you went to treatment for. So that's a great place for you to obviously talk to and then hopefully stay connected to that community and then help those people who want to be helped through, you know, sober fitness.

Eloise Hoatlin

Mm-hmm. and yeah. And it just is, it just kind of shows also that it's, when it comes to like health, you know, mental health, physical health, you know, like the whole body health. It's not just about one thing. It's not about just, you know, just doing the exercise or just doing the, the me mental health or just, you know, doing whatever it is. It takes so much, you know, and I think that sometimes, what feels overwhelming? Um, and what can be hard about it?

Because it, it does mean that, you know, you, uh, have to, you're taking care of your mental health. It does mean that you're taking care of your social health, you know, by surrounding yourself with, with people that care about you and that you care about. It does mean that you're eating and drinking the right things for your body. Getting the nutrition, it does mean that you're. The right physical health for you, whatever that looks like for you. You know?

So it's not all about like, if you do this one thing that's gonna fix you and that's gonna make you better, that would be great. if that was the one thing, and it's not the the one thing for everyone, but it's like this mixture of like all the things that work for you, the alchemy of like what it is that's going to, that's gonna be right. And it takes lots of fits and starts too.

It's like, you know, what works for me doesn't work for somebody else, but trying a bunch of little things and eventually trying to find the right thing that's working for you right. Then that might evolve through time as well too. You might move beyond, like, I don't, I'm, I don't see a drug and alcohol counselor anymore. You know, I don't necessarily have to go in for mental health treatment all the time anymore, but you know that, that, cuz that ebbs and flows with the things in your life.

But those are all the things that, that, um, that, you know, came together to help pull me out of the place that I was in and give me the foundation to be where I am now.

Kerry Finsand

What are some good resources for people that. Uh, have issues with alcohol where they can kind of make that next step so they can kind of get their life back on track and leave a healthy life. I know you mentioned earlier the place that you went to. Yeah, I'd love to know about that.

Eloise Hoatlin

Yeah, I mean, there's so many different places. There's places that are, uh, treatment centers. Um, you know, you can do either inpatient or outpatient. Uh, there's a lot of places. Um, in Portland specifically, there's Cascadia. This is for outpatient Cascadia, where I went. Uh, quest Integrative Health. Uh, there's, uh, inpatient outpatient, like, um, Uh, DePaul, which I think is a different name. Uh, now there's, uh, central City Concern.

Um, you know, there's, and there's also other peer groups, or not even peer groups, but you know, there's things like aa, there's a million chapters of AA important. You could get a meeting in online or , or, and that's na, that's na, narcotics Anonymous, or so many different anonymous groups. Um, sometimes those groups are not for everyone.

There's, um, , there's groups that are more, um, meditation and Buddhist space called Dharma Recovery, which um, is sort of an inclusive group too for, you know, any, any kind of recovery, you know, cuz sometimes it's not just substance abuse, it could be any, you know, people have, you know, can, um, have other behavioral, um, uh, things, you know, there's sex addiction, gambling, shopping, you know, there's a, there's. there's, there's, there's no, there's nothing.

You can't really, if you put your heart to it, get addicted to, and, and also get, get help with. So those are some of the places. The Elano Club, uh, in Northwest Portland has a lot of resources for that. There's, uh, there's for, there's a new treatment center for, um, for people on the rainbow. So queer specific called true colors. tr uh, that's a recovery center.

So that's peer led meeting, that there's not necessarily like drug and alcohol counselors and medical staff, but it's like people who have lived experiences. And you can go in there and they'll tell you about meetings or they'll hang out with you and just kind of like give you support. You know, like, oh hey, you know, like I went through that, you know, here, you know, made it. Why would we go to a meeting together about how about we get some coffee?

Or when you're feeling like you're struggling, gimme a phone call and we'll talk about it so you don't have to go out and use over this, you know, just gimme a call and, and. We'll talk about things. So there's a lot of different avenues. Um, cuz sometimes going to treatment is too scary, you know, like that, that's a big commitment.

So you can start off with like going to a meeting or going to one of those, um, those peer support centers where again, everyone's there has, has had the lived experiences. So, y you know, sometimes getting over the fears of shame and judgment can be the hardest part in those places are great places to know that. Like everyone who. Who's in there has been where you are and has no, no thoughts or feelings about you in regards to like what you're going through right now?

Kerry Finsand

Yeah. I, I think, um, I, I liked your approach of saying you. Maybe starting with something simpler like a community group or, you know, an AA meeting or something like that. Because yeah, I mean, going into a treatment center, um, that seems very scary, um, for someone to go through that process. And then also the other scary thing is probably financially like what, how expensive

Eloise Hoatlin

a lot of barriers. Yeah.

Kerry Finsand

Yeah. I, I mean, you know, I can't, you know, some of these commercials they have for these people in Hollywood that are actors and their, their rehab centers are like these mansions and stuff. It's like, what are you like, yeah, that doesn't, that's not, that's not real for like, you know, besides a few people really, you know, some rich people and everything. But,

Eloise Hoatlin

Yeah. And first I do, I do have to say as as like if, if detox is necessary, you know, that's, that of course is like the first step is like, you know, just being sure that you're medically cleared. . If you're, you know, that you, it might be that you have to go to like a, you know, need some medical intervention first, and then, you know, they can release you into, uh, give you the options for outpatient inpatient treatment.

But sometimes there are, um, circumstances in which you do need medical care first before, uh, you. , you go into your treatment, uh, of choice and those decisions, you know, um, those facilities can help you, uh, with those. So that would be somewhere where you, you might need to go first if that's, if that's your story.

Kerry Finsand

Yeah, that's, that's, that's good to know. What we'll do too is in the podcast notes will have, the show notes, will have links to a lot of these places you're mentioning. So as a

Eloise Hoatlin

great. Cool.

Kerry Finsand

Um, and so I'll definitely talk to you about that after the show to get that, that information. Let's say that someone your family is really good at hiding , their alcohol abuse. What are there certain signs you can look for to understand like, Hmm, there's something that's going on here. Is there some type of things that we can look into to kind of help support people that are going through this?

Eloise Hoatlin

Yeah, people can be pretty clever when it comes to addiction and hiding it. So sometimes it may not be obvious, uh, to family members. I think one thing that can happen in, um, in. Certain family systems, uh, that can be kind of hard. Um, is when you love your family members or you love your friends, like you wanna help them, you wanna, you know, uh, give them a lot of support. But sometimes the answer is to let them figure it out on their own. So you can't make anyone else stop drinking.

You can't make anyone stop using drugs. What you can do is you can let them realize that it's, if they want to keep on using, uh, that they certainly can. But you know, you might not be a part of their lives anymore. So that's where you start talking about like the ways in which their life might change if they continue to use.

So that's kind of like classic intervention sort of speak where it's like, you know, like, I can't give you money anymore because, you know, I, I feel like if I give you this money that you might be going out and buying drugs with it. And even if you're telling me it's for food, I'll give you. If that's what you need, but I'm not gonna give you money anymore, or I can't let you stay here anymore because, um, because when you stay here, you scare my children, you know, if you're drinking.

So you know, I love you and I support you and I, when you, when you're not drinking, I will. I will be around you, but until that day happens, you know, I can't support you in this way anymore. So giving that unconditional love, but setting those really, really hard boundaries is really the, the best way to, um, to try. And then also going to.

To groups for codependency or going to groups like Al-Anon that will give you those skills to keep yourself, um, emotionally safe and then keep your loved ones safe as well too. Because like I said, with, with my story specifically, you know, my, my family had to make a really hard decision by telling me that I couldn't have my son, um, for. until I got sober. And that was, I'm sure, extremely painful for them. It was very painful for my son and I. But did it get me to treatment?

Yes. Did it get me to make the decisions that I needed to make for myself to realize like, I can't live like this anymore and I need to change my life and no one else can make those decisions for me?

Kerry Finsand

That's a really good point. , . I don't have any kids but if I did and I couldn't be around them anymore, uh, because of how I was abusing alcohol that's motivation right there. I mean, uh, I, I'm, that's amazing. Your parents did a amazing job with that process, which was so tough. But obviously now everyone's seeing the benefits, you know. Your, your son's, uh, getting, uh, older now, you know. Is he in high school or junior high.

Eloise Hoatlin

He's, yeah. Eighth. Eighth grade. He'll be in high school next year. Yeah.

Kerry Finsand

Yeah. So like, you know, those, those are going great and I, I always see the pictures. He looks like he's having fun with some fitness things with you with a group of friends and whatnot. So I'm sure your, your parents are really enjoying, you know, the holidays every year where you're together , in a positive manner versus an intervention.

Eloise Hoatlin

Yes, exactly. No more interventions.

Kerry Finsand

Well, I, other thing I wanna get into now is I think that was a great just. F segue now from you, obviously we talked about earlier, you kind of improved your life through physical fitness then, and going through an intervention and then becoming a counselor. And now you've leveraged all these things to this new opportunity. So go ahead and tell me about East Side Kettlebell Club. Your new business, which by the way, congratulations just opened this

Eloise Hoatlin

Yeah.

Kerry Finsand

believe, right

Eloise Hoatlin

uh, November. Yeah. So yeah, we've

Kerry Finsand

November. Okay. Yeah.

Eloise Hoatlin

yeah. Yeah. So close. It's December right now. Um, yeah, so, um, I had been, uh, still working, um, at Bleeding Hearts Kettle Club and still been, I'd still been doing, um, drug and a alcohol counseling. So I've been working two jobs, which is pretty familiar to me. In February of, actually in January of 2020, I had started to try and do sober fitness on my own. I had opened up a new, uh, sober fitness, um, class that I was trying to promote. Uh, and again, that was January, 2020.

So, um, I had two classes, of those before March, 2020 happened. And, and uh, and so that was definitely, um, put on the, the delayed. Then bleeding hearts closed in October of 2022. So, I was left, you know, like, oh, well, I guess I don't have, um, that job anymore, which actually was bringing me more income. Um, social work doesn't, doesn't pay a whole lot . So I was, so as much as I love that job, um, it honestly, it doesn't, it did not pay me enough to, um, To survive.

You know, I, I am a single mom. Uh, you know, I have, you know, to, I pay for everything. And so, like the, even if I had gone, uh, up to my hours at the clinical job, it was not gonna be enough to support myself and my son. Um, so I was sort of like floundering, like, well, what am I gonna do to supplement my income? I'd only ever worked. two plus jobs for like the last, you know, I don't know, five, uh, no, probably eight, eight or nine years.

And so, um, so I was trying to like figure, cuz I, that space also is where I was doing my personal training too. So I was like, so we're back to square one. And another trainer and I were like, okay, well we're gonna. we're gonna do something, I don't know what yet, but let's work together. We'll figure out a way that we can, like rent a space and, and do something.

Uh, and I contacted, um, the landlord of the same space that bleeding carts had been, and I was asked him if I could just, um, use the space temporarily for, for a discount. You know, so he would at least get a little bit of income before, uh, before, you know, he found a permanent tenant in that space. And he said, well, I would really like you guys to. Keep on renting it. I really like, you know, having the, a gym there.

I really, he already knew, he already had a relationship with me, um, from the previous gym and he's like, I really would like you to stay there. And um, and I said, well, I don't know if we can afford it. And he said, I don't care, . So he said, we'll, we'll make it, we'll make it happen. So it was kind of like, he's like the one landlord, uh, in the. universe who, you know, has a heart of gold. So I really credit him a lot for this.

And it was one of those things where everything just sort of fit into place where it's like, you know, we were able to, uh, connect, you know, Felicia, my business partner, um, she and I were like, well, I mean, are we gonna do this? So within we, we went from like having zero, like. Finding out that the gym is closing to within a matter of like two or three weeks, like starting our own business, assigning a lease, um, you know, getting everything ready and buying our own gym.

And so, um, so October 31st, bleeding Hearts, kettlebell Club shut down, and I think November 6th, we signed our lease that day. For the gym. And then oc uh, November 6th, uh, we had our first class, um, at East Side Kettlebell Collective. So it was, um, it was like zero

Kerry Finsand

that's fast

Eloise Hoatlin

It was really fast. And, uh, one of the, one of the, my main reasons for making its decision is cause ultimately it meant that I was gonna have to leave my job as a drug and alcohol counselor, which I was really sad about. Um, but. One thing is, is I, you know, I'm, I'm a physical person, right? I like to be moving. I like to do a lot of things. That's a desk job. That's, you know, I love the, the client interactions.

I love working with people, but like in reality, that job is 80% chart notes, which is not my vibe to be sitting around doing chart notes. Like, I wanna be like doing things. I wanna be like, you know, I'm hand more of a hands-on person and I really wanna do sober fitness. And, um, that was something that they are, were. Willing to support me in at at Quest, but it just. There, it just wasn't happening at my speed. Like it just wasn't quite there yet.

And I was like, well, if I have this opportunity to start my own business now I'm gonna have my own space in which I can like really start working on my sober fitness and do things the way that I wanna do it myself. I'm already a certified drug and alcohol counselor. You know, I'm a trainer. I now, I have my own space. I'm, I'm starting a trauma-informed weightlifting certification program next month. And so what I'm really hoping to be able to do is, is my goal when I first.

Drug and alcohol counseling. I think maybe I said it, maybe it didn't, I don't remember, but was to do sober fitness, like that's my goal is to bring sober fitness and to bring up my, my experience as a drug and alcohol counselor and my experience as a personal trainer and like, let's, let's get, let's get sober together. Let's get strong together. You know, like, let's do this as, as a team. . Um, and so that's my hope with that.

So, so yeah, I, I went from, you know, having, uh, you know, feeling like I lost everything when bleeding hearts closed. It was devastating to, it was truly probably one of the hardest things that's ever happened to me. Es especially the hardest thing that happened to me, you know, in sobriety.

Um, and, you know, and from that, Turn it around into like, well now I'm a business owner, of this thing of that I love doing and hopefully be able to bring this other thing that's like hugely important in my life. Um, like there's no, there's, there's nothing better to me. Like, there's just really like, it, it just like the, I, I don't.

Consider myself like a super like wbu person, but there is just things that, um, that can't be ignored and whether it's like woowoo or it's, whether it's just like making the next right choice, you know, and having the ne and just kind of like being able to make those, um, like high, you know, high risk, high opportunity, um, decisions like I did and, and having it turn out. And so far it's been truly been the right choice.

Kerry Finsand

Well, I can understand why you had obviously trouble with, with the place shutting down. I mean, Bleeding hearts shutting down. It was community, but also it was a turning point kind of your life too. Like when you were there, so much happens, you know, you came out of stronger from. So then to see that close, it's like, oh, is this chapter done? But then what's really exciting is that how it all came together, which was very quickly.

Um, and, and just, it was like this culmination of everything kind of coming together at the right. when they shut down, you open. You've already trained there. So you already have, you know, the space, you understand the business to a certain extent. Um, you know, you have somewhat of a built-in audience. So it just, it made a lot of sense. And, and, and so that's why I, I think you have to go for it.

I'm so happy that you went for it, because often people don't go for things in life, and, and these things align with all of your, you know, your virtues. What's really important to you. So I'm just, I'm ecstatic that it all came together for you. I mean, that's,

Eloise Hoatlin

Yeah. And just, you know, going back to like when I was working for the chocolate company and even when I was working for Bleeding Hearts, you know, as much as I love that. Place. It wasn't, I didn't own it. I was still working for someone and like now being in the position where it's like, no, I'm, it's, it's, I, I own the gym. This is my space. You know, this is, this is what Felicia and I are doing together.

And we can make, you know, we can make all the choices about how we, um, how we wanna see this, this, uh, space work and how we want this, this community to interact with us and with each other, you know? that's been really like the, the great part of it.

Yeah. And having the foundation that, of everything I learned from leading hearts and, and before and being able to turn that, that, that stays in a special time and place, you know, like that that is, that is uniquely the time and space that it was, and then like just a really, you know, amazing stepping stone to what we've started now with Eastside Kettlebell collective.

Kerry Finsand

Well, the other thing that's kind of interesting is you wanna maybe tell me a little bit about your businesses. Uh, there's a lot of different clubs out there as we know, like gyms, there's private train, there's group train. There's places that are very broy , which are ridiculous.

Eloise Hoatlin

Yeah.

Kerry Finsand

the big box gyms and stuff. So you know, there for everyone. There's a gym that would work for them. Um, but sometimes we go to gyms and you're just like, this isn't my, you know, you don't feel the vibe there. So tell me a little bit about like, Kind of your kind of niche market that you've kind of created in, in this kind of inviting environment for people.

Eloise Hoatlin

Yeah, I mean the, the space that we, that we wanna, that we're trying to, uh, provide and, and I think we're successful at, is making a space, um, for people to feel really, uh, safe and included in there. So we're, we're actively trying to, uh, to not have that bro vibe. You know, like our, our colors are pink and black, you know, so we have a, a big magenta.

Uh, pink, you know, wall and you know, we're just trying to send the signals that like, if there's there, there's a million gyms out there that are, are designed for, for, you know, your, your classic, you know, gym. Stereotype, right?

Where, you know, there's, there's a million spaces that, like you, for example, not to call you out, but as like a, a , a cis white male, you can walk into almost any space and, and it's designed by you, by people who look like you, for you to make you feel the most comfortable possible. The whole world is designed like that, and so we wanna provide a space that makes, that is inviting for people who. Who the world is not necessarily designed for.

So people who, you know, women often don't feel super comfortable going into spaces like that cuz you know, the energy that's there. We don't wanna be necessarily like, hit on or observed or any of those things. We're there for, you know, to, to get a workout. You know, people who, you know, are on the brain rainbow spectrum again, you know, so like we have a, we have a high queer population that comes to our gym that feels safe there.

Uh, there's people who might be living in new bodies, they've transitioned and you know how. Where do they belong? You know, can they go into those spaces and feel comfortable or can they come in? So we wanna provide a safe, inclusive space for, for all bodies to come and get strong together. We're not about what you, what you look like in a bikini. We're never gonna talk to you about the food that you put in your face or anything like that.

You know, we're here to get strong, you know, like we're here to get strong in our minds and our bodies and everything else is just a byproduct of that. So we wanna build community, we wanna build strength, we wanna build support, and we wanna build safety for people.

Kerry Finsand

Well,

Eloise Hoatlin

we also, like you mentioned before, oh, go ahead.

Kerry Finsand

I was gonna say, it seems like with a place like Portland, that it's a great fit for that and you should have a success with our diverse city that we have here in Portland.

Eloise Hoatlin

Yeah. And we've ma also made, you know, because it, it, you mentioned before the barriers. There's, there's a lot of barriers for people when it comes to fitness too. You know, like it could be, it could be safety, that could be a barrier, it could be comfortability, it could be. And, but most of the time it, um, it's financial, you know, there's financial barriers, you know, and it shouldn't be that only the people who have The extra money left over, or, you know, sometimes it's time.

You know, like time can be a barrier too. Like how many of us have time during the day? You know, we're working, like I said, I was working so many jobs before. One of my jobs just happened to be in a gym, so I was able to make space. So, you know, we, we have a sliding scale, um, membership, so you don't even have to pay us anything at all. Like, I mean, if. You know, we take, we'll , take free memberships or we do trades, uh, for services.

Or if people just tell us like, Hey, you know, I can afford X amount a month. Um, I wanna pay you something, but this is, this is what I can afford, then that's great. Whatever, whatever it is that you wanna do to come into the gym. But we don't want there to be any financial barriers. There's already so many barriers, . If there is one thing that we would like to provide, it's, it's also not a financial barrier for people too.

So that's something that we're really committed to and we're also committed to giving back to the community. So we make an effort to, um, you know, quarterly try and do something that's gonna be of service to the community. So doing like food drives , doing, uh, contributions to other, uh, spaces in our that are member driven. Like we've asked for members, you know, like, where do you wanna see your money go?

If we're gonna do a fundraiser, you know, what are some organizations that you guys support too? So we're committed to also giving back to our community around us.

Kerry Finsand

That's, that's a great. That's a great mission to have that for that business. And, and you know, if, if you're trying to help out other people, you know, hopefully, you know, you put out good vibes, hopefully good vibes come back. And I feel like that that definitely will with you and the community that, that you're building. And obviously you already had a community there and you have a lot of friends who that worked out there and stuff too, so it's great that they're now at your new spot.

I like the idea of the sliding skill because you know, maybe for some people they aren't able to afford it much, but then later. , they'll pay more when they can't afford it and, you know, when they get in a good spot. And, and so I, I think that's really great as well. Um, is there anything that you're excited about?

I, obviously there's so much going on with your clubs new, but is there anything exciting coming in the new year, um, that you wanna educate people on or just anything about your club

Eloise Hoatlin

yeah, I mean, like I said, we're, we're brand new. We just, this is just our second month. So, uh, next year in January, we're planning on bringing on a lot of, um, a lot of things we're, we're adding on new trainers all the time. You know, Felicia and I are the owners and we're the primary, um, kettlebell trainers, but we don't want it to necessarily just be a kettlebell gym. We want, that's the collective part of what. What we wanna do.

So we have, um, we have, uh, a woman, um, Margo Isadora, who's gonna, um, who recently moved from New York, and she's gonna teach a strength and stability body weight class with us. We have, uh, a yoga teacher coming on soon. We have, , a who comes in and does a, uh, a hit kickboxing class. I just, I just came from that right before here. It's super intense . So we do that. We have, uh, mobility for athletes, um, that's starting, uh, next Tuesday.

So mobility is something that's really important for people. You know, you talked about your know, your, your dad, you know, seeing fit, you know, Through being in his seventies. My stepdad is the same way. And you know, part of our mission too is, is that, you know, this is about longevity and sustainability too. That's health. You know, like we're not here just to, you know, squats are a good function for a reason. You wanna be able to get in and out of bed.

You wanna be able to get in an up and off, off your toilet without assistance. As we age, you know, we wanna be able to do all these activities of daily living without assistance for as long as possible. You know, mobility is part of that. So we're bringing on, um, new, um, new classes, um, and new, uh, new guest trainers all the time. So we wanna be able to have it, have it be a space that's utilized, um, by all kinds of different ways of moving your body, not just kettlebells.

And that's my thing, . It's not everybody's singing and we, you know, we're starting off the run club again. Um, I know that you. Uh, able to run that much anymore, but, you know, still, still doing that. So all my fun group act team activities that , I know all those team activities that, um, that, uh, you know, like Shamrock Run, those are all coming back.

Still have my Hu Toco team and, uh, I'm gonna, you know, um, my next step for myself personally is, is figuring out the sober fitness piece of once I've, I've just had to lay the groundwork of opening up this business, you know, from,

Kerry Finsand

Yeah, baby steps.

Eloise Hoatlin

Yeah. It's like, just like, let's learn how to be a business person first, uh, without ever thinking you were ever gonna have to do that within a crash course. So, um, and then, uh, but that's gonna be going in tandem with, I think, the trauma-informed weightlifting as well. So being able to have that, uh, you know, approaching people from a trauma-informed, um, uh, providing, uh, perspective. So yeah, those are just some of the, some of the things that we have going on, uh,

Kerry Finsand

Not, not enough. Not enough there. I like the variety though. I, I think it's gonna have variety at places and, and, um, the, the, the reason that I've never really done a lot of Kell stuff is it was something I learned about later in life. But, with ever going shoulder injury that I have, and I was doing some pushups today and my shoulder is like, Why you do those? I'm like, wow, I was trying to be smarter about 'em today.

Um, but like the Turkish get up, that's takes some coordination and I'm, I've done, I've tried doing that a number of times and, and, uh, but I I, it's a great workout. I mean, kettle bell bells are amazing. I did use some today for , some farmer's walks though. There you go.

Eloise Hoatlin

That's a great tool. They're a great tool for farmers walks. Yeah,

Kerry Finsand

Yeah. Yeah. So, but yeah, I like all the variety you have there and everything. Um, where is a good place for people to find out about you and your gym?

Eloise Hoatlin

Yeah, so, um, Eastside Kettlebell Collective, that's our website. So eastside kettlebell collective.com. We are on, um, Facebook and Instagram, um, also at Eastside Kettlebell Collective. On both of those, I have my personal training, so I am taking on, you know, personal training clients, uh, that's at, uh, at Apex Eloise on Instagram. So that's also, you can get to me through, um, Eastside Kettlebell Collective.

Um, my business partner, she also does personal training, so she does, hers is Weyman, W I N E M A N, coaching, Felicia Weyman. Uh, she's taking on new clients as well. Um, and yeah. We are really wanting to build the working out is, you know what we're doing right? It's, it's the thing, but what we really are trying to do is build the community around the working out people. People don't necessarily wanna show up because they wanna workout.

They wanna show up because they, they know that their friends are gonna be there. That you can hang out with your friends, uh, while you're there too. You can, you can complain about the workouts as much as you want. We don't care. You're still, you're, you're paying us to be there. So we're, we're there to make you stronger, uh, . And, and so you can complain about it, but you'll be happy in half an hour when it's all done. The, the thing that I learned, , about.

When I, when I was at the last gym, is how to be a community member. I learned how to be a friend. That was something I'd never learned before. I never learned what friendship was. I never learned what a community was until I spent time in a community and I realized how important it is for people. And it doesn't matter what you're doing within that community. For us, it's working out for somebody else that might be doing something else, you know, making food or doing whatever For us, this is it.

And that's what we're trying to do is, is the, the fitness is a byproduct of everything else that we're doing.

Kerry Finsand

Well, I, I wish much success to you, and I just wanna thank you for being on the show today. And I always end the show with remember, you're not alone in life or business.

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