¶ Intro / Opening
You have to be able to identify what you need in your environment, both physically and non physically. And we go into detail about what those are. So it becomes very, very detailed kind of process. And then you can articulate all that to a potential employer in a way that's a win win. And that is how people can feel more confident when they go in and don't have to necessarily say I have ADHD, can you accommodate me? Or what are what do you do to provide people with
accommodations? You don't really have to even talk about it when you know what you need, and then you can find ways to determine whether that employer is capable of giving it to you. And it actually makes you look like a stronger candidate when you know what you want and what you need.
Welcome to successful with ADHD, I'm Brooke Shipman. Let's get started. Hi, everybody, and welcome back to successful with ADHD podcast today we have Shel Mendelsohn, and she has a master's in career and vocational counseling 35 years in the field diagnosed later in life and has been working with ADHD adults ever since. And it's approximately 14 years. Shell has created your next career move masterclass in January 2021, and has been
ongoing ever since. She just completed editing of her new course book to help ADHD adults and teens finds career direction entitled, of course for ADHD adults and teens unlock your career path. And the book is inspired by her work with what color is your parachute method that she use with clients for the past 30 years. The book is on presale right now at career coaching with shell.com For those of you who are interested, and we will make sure to put it in the show notes after as well.
So welcome shell. Thank you so much, Bert, great to be here. Great to have you. So you've been in the field for a while. And we know that with ADHD careers is a big topic because we can change careers every two to three years, we can jump from job to job and feel like it's us, not the job itself. So I would love to know, first of all, what got you into becoming
¶ How Shell got into career and vocational counseling.
a career and vocational coach?
Well, that happened 35 years ago, when I was floundering for many years in my 20s, I had a bachelor's degree in a teaching credential and I had no idea what I was going to do. So I call them the last years from about 25 to 29, somewhere around there. And I had a friend who sat me down and looked me in the eye and asked me the one question that nobody had ever asked me before. And that was what do you really want to do. And that's, you know, it just stopped me in my tracks.
Because I realized I had never really given a lot of thought. But luckily for me, I had always wanted to help people be kind of a person who helped people in some way. And the first thing I thought of was counseling. And it didn't take me long because you know how our brains are once we get a bug in our butts or whatever. We want to just jump on it right? I did. Yeah. So I started looking at counseling
programs. And I realized that the general counseling was filled with mostly women and that my chances of getting in was pretty slim. Because there was it was just overcrowded. But then there was this little element called vocational rehabilitation counseling. That was very unique, same classes, same everything except it was focused on working with people who were disabled and needed to find career direction from the
disability perspective. So that was what I entered into not really knowing much about it, but growing to love it. Thank goodness, I guess right when I did my internship in my second year, I was working for the right people and the right situation. And I was like a rock star. I went from being fired and I didn't talk about this in my 20s I was fired from a million legal secretarial jobs. And I my confidence in your strength. Ah, it wasn't my not only wasn't my strength, I just
hated doing it. I hated it. But I couldn't do it, as many of us know. And this is where many people relate to my story is that I was I had plenty of skills. It wasn't that I wasn't capable of doing it. But because our brains are interest based if we don't like what we're doing, we can make stupid I mean I made the stupidest mistakes. I couldn't even copy things correctly. It was that bad. And I just my attitude wasn't Great and I was lost and going through what a lot of people go through.
And I was also undiagnosed, right. So when I finally got into the right field, and stepped into the right position, I, overnight, I was like an instant star in my field, the employers bent over backwards to accommodate me, because I was doing so well. And that's the way I believe it should be. And that's what I help people like, focus on looking for what is right, the right fit for them.
And I always say that if you're not happy in your work, then you're making a lot of mistakes, and things aren't going well for you. And that can manifest itself in a million different ways that you're just in the wrong position. You're just it's not you. It's not who you anything about your abilities. It has nothing to do with anything, but you're in the wrong position.
¶ Transitioning from general counseling to disability counseling.
And I appreciate you talking about the vocational piece, as you know, for you got into that because it was for people with disabilities. And it's so interesting, because in my previous life, I was an assistant director of special education. And I always said, Oh, why is it that only the special education students who are severely disabled? Why are they the only ones who get the vocational training? Shouldn't everyone get vocational training?
Yeah, yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. And when I was at the time, I was in California, and it was where I was working in the workers compensation system, which meant I worked primarily with people injured on the job who couldn't return to their old jobs. So they had back at mostly orthopedic injuries, back
injuries. And occasionally, I had emotional, psychological disabilities, nothing specified as ADHD at that time, although I had plenty of people who were I would have, you know, who probably would have diagnosed as ADHD, but it was a very
adversarial system. And I really got burned out, after about 10 years, I got very burned out from because the people weren't happy coming to me, they didn't come to me because they wanted like, the people I work with now actually, are super enthusiastic about like really jumping into how do I make figure this stuff out? You know, right. And it's a whole different, it's very, very different than what I was doing
back then. I'm grateful for it, because it really kept me in the field and helped me spin to the next step in my career, you know,
but to your, to your point, though, you know, even when I was in school, the people who went to vocational training, were usually the people who would go to BOCES, and might have been getting a GED, they were segregated. We all knew who those people were, because they weren't in all of the mainstream classes. But I think what's so important for people listening here today is to understand that everyone needs help with vocational training and career paths. I
mean, I'm 39 years old. And it wasn't until five years ago that I realized, I have my dream job when I started my company beforehand. Luckily, the stars aligned and it got me into ADHD coaching with my background in special education. But not everyone is that lucky and like their 16 year old still trying to figure out how they can use their passion to have a career. So I
¶ Why vocational training should be for everyone, not just special ed students.
work with those people.
Yeah, yeah. So shall you got into it and tell us how you help people understand, what environment what career? What boss? What job is the right one for them? Well,
you you have to step back and realize that it's a process. And the one thing they don't they don't teach you the skills to make a career decision on what direction to take. There's no, there's very little training out there or I believe personally, there's it should be mandatory in the high schools to have something like a process that you can go through. I don't do assessments which generally compare answers to people, other people, it's a very much of a self reflective,
deep dive kind of process. And it takes you through all the elements of what would make up your ideal work. So it's more nuanced, especially with ADHD. So I began tweaking the parachute process, which I had always loved and worked fantastic for the general population. To work with people with ADHD. I discovered there was a lot of different aspects to it that were not presented in parachute that needed to be tweaked. And so created documents to help people with
different metaphors. I love to create the images of metaphors. Some things. So it was really fun. It was fun for me to do that. And every time, I wanted to make a change, I found somebody who was a client, a former client, who was a teacher, photographer, very, very creative person, her name's Katrina. And she's the one who has been doing all my documents. And she's now the one formatting the book that will I'll tell you
about in a little bit. But basically, it's a process of identifying all the elements that make up your ideal work, deep dive, those would include what skills so I don't talk about strengths, per se, because we're all strong in different areas. But many of the people listening, my guess is that they may have gone into a position where they were identified to have certain strengths. And that they were then required to use those strengths, whether or not
they wanted to use them. So you kind of get pegged into doing some aspect of what your abilities are. But you clearly don't love doing that. You're just good at it well,
¶ Matching strengths to interests, passions and environments.
right? Well, nothing aligns in isolation, right? Nothing exists in isolation. So if you were only to pick a job with your strengths, or only to do something, let's say, even with your character strengths, then what about your passion, what about being in the right environment, there's all these different things that are together, that's
part of it. So that's very, the first thing we identify are the skills we love using. And we have different exercises and things that we do that that really help identify what those are. And the next thing would be the people that
you enjoy working with. And you mentioned that the working conditions are huge, you know, in the class, what we do is we put together self accommodation plan, versus just an accommodation, I kind of coined it that because I realized that it's you have to be able to identify what you need in your environment, both physically and non physically. And we go into detail about what those are. So it becomes very, very detailed
kind of process. And then you can articulate all that to a potential employer in a way that's a win win. You see, yes. And that is how people can feel more confident when they go in and don't have to necessarily say I have ADHD, can you accommodate me? Or what are what do you do to provide people with accommodations, you don't really have to even talk about it when you know what you need. And then you can find ways to determine whether that employer is capable
of giving it to you. And it actually makes you look like a stronger candidate when you know what you want and what you really want. Yeah, when you know what you want, and what you need, then you're like, Wow, I've never heard that before. People just come in and want what I as what I call a job beggar. Like they just need a job. Right?
It puts you in control, you have the power. Now you're coming in with confidence. Yeah. And this ends, whoever the boss is, might be like, Oh, who is this person? I haven't seen one like that before. But yeah, I'm glad you bring, there's two things that I want to just discuss and kind of
break down a little bit. Going back to the vocational piece, like all people should get vocational training, I think the same thing, like you said, that personal accommodation plan, when you're in school, every single person should be able to accommodate their unique needs, their learning styles, or executive function strengths. They're everything that works for them their auditory visual, and I love how you do that with adults, I think we should normalize that. So I'm glad that
¶ Tailoring vocational training and accommodations for teens too.
you could do
it with teens as well. And that's and I address I address that like the work the course book is going to be for teens, as well as adults. It levels the playing fields. Absolutely. That's like the third area that we cover. And then the other one are what are the special knowledge is and fields that you're drawn to. And everything really comes from a place of what are you attracted to? What is it that you are energized by that you want to learn more about that you're curious about and it doesn't
have to be? I have to go into this because my parents went in so many people say that this is a great field.
I need to be a doctor, lawyer teacher, because yeah, I'm gonna get benefits. And my parents told me I should do that.
Yeah, exactly. It takes that out of it. And it's not easy to do that. Because those are the voices floating around in our heads for years. That's how people are. I mean, we're indoctrinated from the time we're kids to think in those terms, like what's gonna get you the farthest in your career. But with ADHD, that does not work. It might work. It's like I say, you know, a lot of people do Do go enter those fields. And then at some point,
they may do it for a while. But the whole time they're thinking everybody else can do these things. And I struggle with these other things. And why is it that I'm always trying to make myself fit in this situation? And I don't really fit in this situation. I'm like a square peg in a round hole. Yep, exactly. That's what it is.
¶ The dangers of the "fake it 'til you make it" mentality at work.
Yeah, I
appreciate you saying that. My uncle, I remember when I was miserable in my job as an administrator, because there was so much red tape, I didn't like my boss all the above. He goes, Well, they don't call it a job for nothing.
Right, that's the worst thing.
I am not okay with that, as a statement, right. And I was lucky enough to be able to get out of that and start something myself. But I appreciate you saying that. You need to make it fit for you like, or the environment needs to fit for you, you don't have to fit into the environment. Exactly.
It's not easy when you're when you know, you're struggling financially, and you need to make sure that you find something that fits. But basically, with ADHD, it's like we don't have a choice, we have to figure this stuff out. Or we face at some point down the road it not working out. And that can be a real, more of a confidence Crusher, it's almost like you've got to do some kind of a process where you can identify all this stuff and make sure that you are on the right track for yourself.
100% Yeah, if you're listening to your parents voices, or your friends on social media or other people, you're not following your core values, and then you are never going to receive that feeling of confidence like that true self esteem, not the contingent self esteem, but the true self esteem, because you're proud of what you've done, not what other people think is special for you.
¶ Focusing on what makes YOU energized, not what impresses others.
And also it just it just doesn't work. It
doesn't work, it doesn't work, you burn out or you quit or you get fired, because you just lose your passion. You've never really had the passion. The newness, the newness wears off.
Yeah. So you're constantly living and fake it till you make it. Exactly.
Exactly. No, I am glad you brought up the accommodation piece for when someone goes into an interview, because that is a very controversial topic. And I want to go into more depth about that. And that before we get more into your book, if that's okay, because Sure, there are so many people who have reached out and said, I don't know what to do, or I've been not hired or fired, because I said what I needed. So what makes, do you recommend that everyone comes
into a job saying I need XYZ? Or do you recommend that they start with a job and then see once there's trust, that they can get those accommodations, like whether it be a separate location, headphones, away from distractions, all those things.
¶ When and how to ask for accommodations in job interviews.
So the way I, I see it is more of a holistic thing, like you've really got to know what, first of all, why you're there. And if this is even the employer that you have some reason to be there. Versus it's just a job where you can fit, you can fit their narrative, but that they may not ultimately fit yours, like what you need. So it's important to have the whole picture before you even walk in the door, and you have a better shot of knowing that you're in the right
place to begin with. You may not be ultimately, but what happens is that people walk in when they have that confidence. You present it from a win win
perspective. Sure, you say when I have under these conditions, I will be the best at providing you the service or whatever it is you're under these conditions, when I'm able to at one I have the flexibility to I can really get more done, I can be more productive, I can be the best probably the best employee you ever I mean, you can really go into superlatives about what you can do seriously, when you know that you have these conditionings but it's they're
under the right conditions. And if they're impressed enough with you, they're going to say they're either going to say no, we can't do that. And that's fine. Because if they say no, then you just say well, I'm you know, I guess it's not a great write bit and you've Yeah, you've stopped yourself from how many years of suffering or whatever, you know, going into the wrong situation one more time. It's really a sifting and sorting process. Yeah.
Yeah, I know. You said it's a sifting and sorting and it's a holistic approach. But I know that most jobs don't just have one interview, like minimum usually about three interviews before you get the job. Would you recommend that you be care are full on your first interview, and then maybe present these questions on the second or the third.
I think you need to be conscientious of the people behind the desk and how they're responding to any questions you have. And I always think that you should have questions even from the very beginning. Like, it just shouldn't be them shooting questions that you and you
answering, right? You should have like a list of things that are seriously on your plate as necessities in the first interview, because it can save you from having to go to the second, third or fourth, and ultimately getting screened out anyway, or you deciding this isn't a good fit. So I think it's important, and see how they respond to that. But you also need to be looking at who they are and how they're responding to what you're saying and being. So put, you're in the driver's
seat. It's not it's, it should never be like there. You have to, I always say you're deciding if you want to work for them, not the other way around. Sure.
¶ Scripts and narratives to help communicate your needs.
And do you have these narratives in your book to share with people who are looking for a job, as far as the narratives of this works for me, or I do best when
it's, it's covered? But it's also, yeah, it's discussed in the book, it's not a specific thing, where if they ask these questions, you respond this way, because you need to really go into detail about what it is that you need, and be able to identify the areas that are the most important. So there's a prioritization process where you prioritize your top can the the main things that you absolutely
must have. So those must haves are the ones that you would probably discuss what to discuss first in terms of when I am able to, you know, I can get up and walk around when I need to, I can use headphones, I can have pictures of my family around, I have an office, like some people absolutely need to have an office for what they're doing. Or they have to have a private or more private space. And some
people get distracted. And so you have to know what your how you process information, and how all that all that what your processing needs are, basically, totally and be aware of all that. And you don't have to say I have to have a space where all these things are happening. But you can ask them more about what what they offer, you know what they have? And is it possible to, because when I have these conditions, again, you just become more savvy at knowing
what is important to you. And realizing that, you know, this, this was maybe wasn't what you thought it was going to be that maybe maybe the environment isn't exactly what you thought it was going to be maybe the culture isn't exactly what you thought it was going to be. And that the the parts that are really important to you just aren't there. And that you've been skirting those under the
carpet, your whole career. And that's gotten you into trouble over and over again, in terms of just feeling good about getting up and going to that place every day or doing that thing. I mean, some people need to have the hybrid of working from home, and maybe touching bases in a working environment with other people. You just need to know what that is. Some people need to work from home all the time.
¶ Researching company culture and environment before interviewing.
I'm sure there's a lot that people can figure out before they even step into that interview. How do you guide people in learning about the company and the culture before having that first interview? Well,
the whole process that I do, provides all of that. So you start to one of the things that people don't do before they make these critical decisions about going to even going to college for four years, getting in debt, you know, over and not knowing what they're going to major in or why they're even going, wanting the college experience with, you know, and then coming out of it not knowing what to do and then having mounds of debt to deal
with. You know, I mean, that to me is that's a crisis in this country, that people I don't think people can actually afford not to know what they want to do before they go to college anymore. Unless somebody is
paying for their car. You know, if they have all those benefits, yes, that's one thing, but if they don't, they really do need to have some understanding of what is going to help get them where they really want to be and what it is that they want to do before they even start school or decide whether to go to college because college isn't always for everybody. Correct?
Yeah, you're saying if I'm hearing you correctly, that when you graduate high school if you don't Know what you want to be, you shouldn't apply or what environment you want to be a part of you shouldn't apply necessarily to college, you there's other options before you figure it out and then go through the program.
Absolutely, no, that's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is that, no,
I'm like, what I just want to make sure that I'm hearing you correctly.
It's having some understanding of what the things that you're attracted to, and the things that you are curious about, and wanting to know more about and feel an inclination to move towards, and whether a university or college experience can help give you that, or maybe another kind of experience might help give like, get a bunch of certifications, you know, some people go into it, and they get a bunch of certifications, or do an internship of some kind, or just do two years at a community
college just to I don't think, personally, this is my personal opinion, you can take it or leave it. But I don't think that everyone needs to go to a university. To start off, no, I hear I think most people should go to a two year where they specialize in those core subjects. And you have, they're really focused on helping people get through those first two years. Whereas most universities focus more on the last two years. So the first two year, the two year students are paying
the same amount. So I'm seeing it as dollar signs, you know, of having to pay gotcha University, when you can go to a community college and have a really good experience and have some incredible professors. A lot of times people on the, in the field, people with amazing backgrounds, and you get a better sense of being able to explore things a little bit, you know, I mean, you can do it a little bit more freely and still get those core classes done.
¶ Options besides 4-year college if you're unsure of career path.
I understand what you're saying now. Yeah, yeah. Because I was gonna say, like, from the ADHD perspective, very often, we need to be in it to understand if we like it or not, you know, just Yeah, knowing what our strengths are, I know, we don't do our strengths, necessarily in your program, but knowing what our passions are, and what energize that might wear away, after we realized what the thing actually is. Yeah, because we have courses. So
you do your strengths, if they are, what you're prioritizing in terms of something that you want to use in your work. Like they have to be up there. In the first five areas of pride, you know, like, if you want to correlate skills with strengths, then the first the top five must be there, in terms of whatever kind of work you're doing. And then half they have to align with that job, that career that whatever, or else you're just kind of setting yourself up again.
Yeah. So no, I like that. You're you're thinking in like all different angles that not everyone thinks about, like, you're looking at the dollar sign and saying, Hey, like, you don't need to jump into a university, you can do community college for two years, or you could do an internship and figure that out. Actually, when I studied abroad in Australia, it was my junior year of college. I went to University
of Sydney for six months. And what I realized there is that all students do not pick a major for that first year they are just immersed with every different type of skill. And then they choose their major and I thought that was like lightbulb genius. Why does it never school do that?
Well in this country is usually by your your sophomore year, you have to pick a major for your junior and senior isn't it? I mean, I don't you don't
¶ Trying different majors before picking one as a college student.
always get exposed to all of the different types of majors here, you get exposed to things that you would have never picked before. And yeah, you know, it opens your eyes to things. So anyway, there's no there's not there's many different ways of slicing a cat right or however they say it.
So however they say not the kitty, Brooke but the kitty.
Yeah, a slice something. So tell us something. Tell us a little bit it will come to me before the end of this episode. Tell me a little bit more. What I think is interesting that you shared here for everyone here today too, is that the color? What color is your parachute did not include some of the things that you are including in your current book.
And I find that so fascinating that like you as a professional with ADHD who help people with ADHD are continuously learning more and more and more that you have a whole new book that you can add new material.
¶ Creating a career book tailored to ADHD brains.
Yeah, well, it's so funny that you say it that way, because I kind of saw it a very different from a different perspective. For me it was that I started seeing that the addition of the workbook that I was using with with the participants in the master class. And I don't like the sixth edition. I never, for a lot of reasons I won't go into, but I prefer the fifth edition, which was getting harder and
harder to actually order. It was always simple the order and then it started becoming more difficult to order because I realized that they were transitioning to this other one that I didn't particularly like, and it really hit me that, oh, my gosh, I've got to get something out there that really focuses on people with ADHD or neurodivergent. Kind of brains.
In general, you know, it because I develop this work that I so much that was added to the book that went way beyond the book anyway, I've been doing over the years. And I needed to find a way to pull it all together. And it just seemed like a natural kick in the butt basically, to get something out there. And to make sure that there that if people couldn't take the class, they could at least have some have a tool that they could use to get started in this process
with ADHD. And in fact, I talked to Richard Bowles, who wrote the book, what color's your parachute with his wife, he passed away in 2017. And I told her what I wanted to do. And she was excited about it. And so she had me talk to her publisher. And I spoke to one of the editors, and they and she was excited about it. And she took it to her board. And instead of me being in front of the board, she got in front of the board. And they said no, not at this time. And with that it didn't I
didn't miss a beat. I said it's got I gotta get it out there. Sorry, maybe this is for the best, because it probably would have been done completely different than the way I did it. And I realized I couldn't. That it's inspired by it's not exactly at all, there's got so many elements to it that are not parachute. But the general process is very, it's pretty much the same as far as going through all the different elements. I just put them in
different orders. I added my context to which wasn't there before. And I recommended that they do it that the parachute people do it for the next book. But then it's a long story. I just decided I'm just going to do my own thing and have it be the way I want it. It's going to have my it's going to have my creativity, it's going to have everything I learned in it. And I wasn't going to Yeah, I don't want the publishers to take it and twist it and put you never know what's going to come out
when you do that. Right. So yes, I was just so, so glad actually, it was a big relief, because I just said okay, well, that's a no. So now now I get to do what I want to do.
I love it. And that's that ADHD right there, like you just persist and you know what you want, and you go for it. And also now that it's a spiral book. I don't know if virals arrows on like Amazon or anything like that. So now you get, right, so you get to have it exactly in the format that you want. So shall Who do you recommend this book for
¶ Who this book can help - both ADHD and neurotypical job seekers.
this book is? Well, dare I say it's for everyone. If you take the ADHD commentary out of it, it's a process that literally everyone can go through if you're trying to decide on a career direction. Because the way it's written is
it breaks down. Its graphic, it's got color, it breaks everything down the instructions, it makes it simple versus trying to piece everything together, it flows really nicely from when one thing to another one aspect of it like the skills the people the working conditions, the fields, salary, life purpose is a big part of it, too. So we talked about that. I added a section called your compelling
vision. I've given so many different graphics, as metaphors for you know, how you choose a field, how you do the ways you can look at things that are visual, because we're very, we tend to be very graphic and visual. We like things. Sure you know how it is. It's much more fun to read pictures and you make those pictures and it's in color. Why
do you think so many students with ADHD love graphic novels for the same reason? They love pictures.
I was Yeah, I was thinking of doing it graphic novel as a graphic novel, but in a way You're kind of it's not like it's it's not every page is a, you know, like a comic book or anything like that. But it definitely is graphic. Lots of graphics. So, and color color.
Yeah, so color pretty much everyone, it does have an ADHD spin, but the concepts can be used for anyone. Oh, I showed you already. So so this is to see it first.
¶ Example visuals from the book to map out your "Career Galaxy".
Yeah, so this is in the book, it's the it's called the planets, my career galaxy. And this is what it looks like when you've completed the process. And you've added your information in. And now you have your roadmap to sift and sort any, any opportunity that comes your way or any area or job that you're thinking about taking, it needs to align with this, right?
Absolutely. And people can post it on their wall, they can put it you know where they can see it right, and then always refer back to that. So
I'm offering at it as a standalone poster that you can order or it's in the book as a fold out. So it's literally it's in the book, you can perforate it, you know, tear it out and you in you have it and the thing about the workbook that we were using is that there's a big crease in the middle, which takes it's just awkward. It's very awkward. That's why this using it with a spiral binding, everything lies flat, it's easy to you know, navigate everything. Sure, sure. I tried to think as much as
possible. Because of the spiral binding, I'm using a printer who thinks like I do, she's, it's when I talk to her, I feel like I'm talking to myself. But she's, she's got it's like I was a kid in the candy shop, you know, I could add all these really cool little features to it. And so I have to be careful because it costs a lot to print it that way, but it's worth it to me it's worth it. Because we that's what we need. Right? You want everyone
to have the true experience, the best experience going through your books. And with ADHD, we very often don't get through the book. So if you can make it as exciting and useful and non frustrating as possible. That's super helpful. So shall we have to wrap up here, but I want you to maybe share with our community are successful with ADHD community. What is one thing and people with ADHD, including myself have a hard time just saying one thing, but what is one thing? You're right
about? Why do you have two or three, it's fine.
Oh my mind.
Okay. One thing that you would recommend those who are listening here today who are looking for a job to think about,
¶ Importance of knowing what you really want in your ideal work.
think about what you really want. And what's important to you to have in that work. Without going through this whole process. If you just think about that, if you don't have that for yourself, if you don't know what you want, then your chances of ending up in that kind of situation could happen again. So you really have to have some clarity, it's really important to have the clarity, and the focus on what it is that
you really want. So I would say if you're feeling pressured, or you're hearing the voices of other people tell you do this, do that, you know, you should try this, you're so good at that. Just give this a shot, then step back and ask yourself is this really what I want. And I don't know how else to say it. Except that it's really important for all of us, I think
to be doing that. But especially with our interest based brains, that if we're not interested in what we're doing, it's gonna crash we're gonna come crashing at some point, it'll take different forms, all kinds of ways that that happens and you know what I'm talking about all kinds of ways. So think about what it is that you really want. And if you can think of one or two one or two things that are super important to you that are
way up there on your list. Make sure that those are available to you and whatever it is that you're considering. Yeah,
I think that's amazing. What do you really want what it's not about what other people think it's not the messages that you're receiving from your parents from your friends from your significant other what is it that makes you excited and energized and just real quick, in activate your ADHD potential, we have a y funnel and it's to that point it's like why do I want this goal Why do I want this job and getting to the core of it? Like how will you feel
when you get there? So anyway, shall It was a pleasure having you on our podcast successful with ADHD and for by the time This comes out I believe your book will be out. So for those of you just as a reminder, shell Mendelssohn's book can be found at career coaching with Shell S H E. l l.com. I'm going to put it into the notes. It's a course for ADHD adults and teens unlock your career path.
Thank you, Burke. It was a pleasure being here.
Same. Thanks for listening to this episode of successful with ADHD. I hope it helps you on your journey. And if you need any additional support for you or a loved one with ADHD, feel free to reach out to us at coaching with brooke.com and all social media platforms at coaching with Brooke and remember, it's Brooke with any Thanks again for listening. See you next time.