¶ Intro / Opening
If you are struggling in your journey of trying to find the medication that works, we all go through it and we continue to go through it's okay that you're struggling through that you will find something that works and my advice is be 100% transparent with your medical provider on what you are feeling even down to the fact that hey, I'm feeling extremely depressed lately. I don't know why I'm working through this. I'm working through that I'm having
trouble for whatever it is. Be transparent when you take a medication doesn't work. You know, I told my psychiatrist my anxiety was through the roof. I don't know if I could do this. We had an emergency meeting, we quickly adjust my medication.
¶ Getting diagnosed with ADHD in 6th grade
Welcome to successful with ADHD. I'm Brooke Shipman. Let's get started. Welcome back to successful with ADHD, where we shine a light on the stripes of individuals with ADHD and more journeys to reach success. Today, we have a special guest, to me. And to you soon enough, as soon as you hear his name is Chris Nikki. And Chris has been an aerospace defense industry for over 16
years. How cool is that? Right, overcoming his own ADHD challengers throughout the years and is currently pursuing a new career as a software engineer. And in this free time, loves to smoke me. Welcome, Chris. Thank you, Brooke, thank you for having me. This is an honor to be on your podcast. Thank you, my friend. So tell the viewers what your journey was like? Like, what if this surely got you to get an ADHD diagnosis?
Yeah, it really comes down to when I was in sixth grade. So my parents started to notice that something a little bit different with me, especially in how I was learning my grades were dropping, the standard way of what was happening in the classroom, how it was being taught was not working. And my parents said, you know, let's get them tested. Now, this is back in the early
90s. So when this was kind of a newer diagnosis, I think around the late 80s, early 90s, I swung through testing for a day, got my diagnosis and was put on an
early days kind of Ritalin. You know, and I think that's the history, you know, from when I got first diagnosed in sixth grade, from there on out, it was just a struggle all the way through high school to try and figure out how was my brain working, I didn't even understand how my brain was working, you know, I was still coming into town, you know, my GPA in high school was, gosh, 2.3. I mean, it was very, very
low. When you looked at my scores, you would go well, I'm very bright and math, I'm very bright and chemistry, anything that involved logic and you know, very structured, which I know a lot of you out there can understand from who are learning about your diagnosis. And, and it was just horrible. You know, I would go in the special room for tests, I would be able to take my own time, I got my own time on the SATs. But it wasn't
until college. So you know, throughout high school was just, I think in my mind surviving figuring out what work to get through high school, because I was taking courses that did not engage what I loved and what I was passionate about. So and so that was kind of the early on stages of I needed to get diagnosed. My parents were the ones that initiated it, went on medication, all the way up through college, everything stopped after college, and then moved on from there. Why did you
stop at your college? Yeah, so it was one of those. As I was going on in my journey, you know, in college, I actually got 3.7 GPA in college without any changes, right? So I took I was taking medication. But in college, I was taking courses that I loved. So all involving in my background is a lot of computer science. And I loved it. I was passionate about it. And what I found was when I was passionate about a specific
topic, I excelled. I mean I was in it I was hyper focused, I wanted to I just wanted to do it all the time I forget about eating, forget about sleeping, forget about all the healthy things that we do take care of each other was hyper focus Central. And so after that, I started to realize, you know, I'm doing okay, but I'm still not myself. And I didn't feel like myself on medication at the time. It had moved over the years from, you know, Ritalin to
Wellbutrin to Adderall. So I was on a stimulant for a while, and I just didn't like the way that it made me felt, feel, don't feel. And so what I decided to do was I said, you know, I'm going to do my own test, and I'm just going to stop taking it then so I stopped taking the medication, my junior year of college and migrates did the same, I felt more like myself, I had an appetite again, I felt, you know, my goofy old self rather than, I don't want to see
a robot. But, you know, you just I kind of felt like a drone when I was on vacation a little bit and it's helpful. I'm not saying it's bad, you know, for people just for me particular,
¶ Hyperfocusing in college without meds
but you were able to find something that you're passionate about and do well without the medication.
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And that's why I wanted to go into computers because it was something that I loved. And something that I enjoyed, you know, I got exposed to that at a really early age. My dad and I built computers together. And so when I was in college, focusing on that, I mean, it just, it was very clear to me. Now, it's kind of funny, though, the way that it worked out. And when I went to college, the College that I went to was Champlain College in Burlington,
Vermont. And this college was pretty cool. It was a business school, but it had you focus on your core topics first. So meaning what are the core subjects to get your degree,
which makes so much sense, right? Because if you don't like it, then you know, a four year four,
exactly, you're not wasting your time on Western Civ, you're not wasting your time. On any of those all have their benefits. You learn how to do research, communicate, write well, etc. Yeah. But for me going into college and being able to do all my core courses first. Now within that I had a few mixed items. I had a writing class, I had a literature class,
a few things here and there. But it wasn't there very, very far and few between maybe one or two classes a semester, but they weren't really called your Gen Ed courses. So after I got my associate's degree in 2001, I decided to take a break from school, my brain, I was tired, I was exhausted, and I just wanted to take a break. So I took a break for two years. And then I
went back to school in 2003. So when I go back to school in 2003, I went to Greenville college in Southern Illinois, now, Greenville University, and they said, Well, you already have your associate's degree. So your gen Ed's are waived. And with my arm, it was awesome. So very lucky.
I can't go here.
I can't go, you know, sorry. No, I'm not gonna go here. But it was really cool from I would say, I'm fairly lucky, you know, that I that I got to skip a lot of those courses. Now. Again, even throughout my my, my two years at Greenville college, I still had to take some of the core classes to graduate. But I was taking things like trigonometry, I was taking things like they love that all things that I
love. There's maybe one or two things in there that were I want to take them but overall though, I wasn't stuck with the Western sieves. I keep on saying that that's the one generalized that I know of. But, you know,
right, we are very clear that social studies is not your thing. It's
no Yeah, reading, writing comprehension. I mean, that's my disability it technically I was diagnosed with reading, writing comprehension, disability. So anything that involves research writing, I remember I was in a literature class. And they're doing short stories. And the midterm was on 25 short stories that we had read, and my brain about died. Because every story, I would forget, you know, shoot, I forget what I talked to my wife about yesterday, let alone what I read,
right? I don't care if it showed or not.
Exactly. So that's why I went off medication. You know, I was just like, you know, after being able to be lucky and focus on the things that I loved. I noticed that I really didn't need the help of medication to focus because I was naturally focusing because I was doing what I loved.
¶ How Chris found success in a long-term career
Wonderful. Okay, so fast forward. You're the defense industry for 16 years, which is very atypical for individuals with ADHD to stay in the same Korea for 16 years. So what do you contribute some of that success to today? Besides loving what you do?
You know, I would attribute that to coming up with a structure that worked for me. And it's been a journey and trying to figure out what works for me because in 16 years at one company, your job changes, you know, and when I started off with a company, I had a very simple job in the industry, which was to write technical manuals on how to troubleshoot, remove and replace computer enterprise systems. That sounds miserable. It sounds miserable, but to me, I loved it because I
took engineering notes. I went down and I got to have my hands on the equipment, I would test them and rewrite them to something that makes sense to non engineer. And it's very linear step one, step two, step three, step four. I know that this week I need to get these procedures written do I have them okay, I go downstairs and write them done. Very linear task. Once all the manual is done, I spent a year so doing that. Then I write training
material. And I get to teach people what I love, here's how you do it. And then I would go out and teach soldiers how to maintain repair whatever it is that I was teaching them to do. So it's very linear. I think that's the key here, that's probably going to be the key theme. And the way my brain works from a neurodivergent standpoint is his very, I'm a linear thinker, right. And it changed over the years. That's just what I did from from 2007. till about 2000. I would say,
14, that was my job. I would write training material, technical documentation, go out and train people. And I loved it. I'm an extrovert. I love talking with people. And I love teaching new skills, but something I didn't know that I could do. And, and it was great. But in 2014, there's an interesting turn in my career that happened. And a lot of people face this turn in their career, were given the choice to do you stay as an individual contributor? Or do you move into
management? What do you do, I wasn't pursuing management management kind of fell upon me as a, it was more of I saw something happening, it wasn't going to work. And so I stepped in as the lead. And so since 2014, all the way up till today, my career has shifted from being an independent contributor to managing people, programs, projects, and budgets. And that brought in a whole new layer of nonlinear tasks that caused my brain to malfunction. And it was a slow process, because it
wasn't all at once. It doesn't 14 I would say to 2018, I was still managing. I was managing programs, but not people. I was managing, you know, the execution of tasks, budgets. So it's just adding a little bit more nonlinear items to the
plate. But in 2018, I took on a role where I was a senior manager and had direct reports, so is now responsible, not only for programs and budgets, but I was responsible for my employees, their day to day tasks, are they supporting their role as well, their programs well, and when that happened, my brain broke, it just it just quickly, being able to work with a one point to pick out up to 32 employees, being able to manage them, bring in new programs, work on proposals, fly around
the country meeting with different program managers representing the program's whatnot, it was hard for me to keep task of the day to day activities, like I just couldn't keep track of any of it. Yeah. And so right before the pandemic, it was right around March 2020. I just got done with a year of traveling non stop. And I I decided to see a therapist to see I think I need
to get some ADHD medication. And that started my journey back into pursuing some sort of medication to help my brain because as I was getting older, my brain was changing, chemicals are changing. Dopamine was not firing the way that it used to, in the tasks that I was doing weren't necessarily feeding my passion. You know, I enjoy working with people, I enjoy my team. I enjoy managing them in
the work that they do. But there's a part of me that misses creativity and touching things and doing the linear writing and doing the independent contributor type. Tasks.
¶ Misdiagnosis before finding the right psychiatrist
Okay, so you saw therapists, right. And you've got medication for ADHD? Yeah, correct.
Well, it was interesting. So at the time, I was actually referred through my therapist to a psychologist, so I went to a psychologist. So that's where we get our medication. I mean, it was just right after the pandemic started. So everything's on lockdown. And so I meet with this a psychiatrist, and he tells me, well, you don't have ADHD, and I go. And it was very confusing for me. But I said, Okay, I'll hear you. And he goes, Look, you have a lot of childhood trauma, which is true.
I had a lot of trouble childhood trauma. And he goes, You You're really have mild OCD and generalized anxiety. And I said, Well, I kind of know that, but you're the psychiatrists. So I got put on Clonazepam, and which is a severe drug for anxiety.
Last, like you said, but you should be on
Clonazepam. And then I went on, I believe it was Prozac, so for the depression, and and so his meeting with him, he would have me visualize my child and my childhood self in Korea and start writing about it. And it just wasn't working. It wasn't working at all. And so I did that all the way through right around February, March of 2021. And that's when I came across your info and you and I started talking, and I was telling you what I was on. And, you know, we talked about some
things to talk about. And I switched, I switched psychologists, I basically said, I'm not going to go to this person anymore. I switched psychologist and my new psychologist, he sat down with me to go and we walked through every single thing. He goes, Okay, let's just go through what I would go through from a checklist from an ad Absolutely. All right, let's it's not a simple black and white thing.
Crap, not always based on trauma and everybody's mind is different, my mind is going to work differently than most of your viewers minds, because his or her minds are so uniquely individual and complex to ourselves. So I'm trying to childhood, right. It's all from childhood. And it stems. There's so many factors. How were you raised? What did you eat as a child? What?
See what exactly and I also had generalized anxiety. And I find and Dr. Ayman talks about this, that if you have anxiety, that it could help you be more like, focus on the things and more obsessive with what you're doing. So in that sense, like you might have OCD, or you might have obsessive thoughts, but your ADHD might be looking linear, rather than all over the place where a lot of people think that their brain is that
it's not linear. But that could also be because of the complexity of it because of the anxiety and Z and trauma.
1,000% It's all different. And my new psychiatrist, he goes, You know what? He goes, Chris, yes, you do have generalized anxiety. You do not need to be on Klonopin, that's for people who are crippled, they panic attacks, right and attacks, they can't walk out the door. And my OCD wasn't the type that was destructive to my way of life. You know, it wasn't tapping the doorknob three times. My OCD actually comes out in organization and cleaning because that was that's what makes my brain think that
everything is okay and safe. So it's funny, my wife will know that something's going on when I just start randomly cleaning the kitchen, and I looked at I said, Honey, how many husbands Do you know out there love to clean the kitchen and find peace? Yeah, let me let me do it and I do it. But that's where my OCD would come out. And so after talking with my psychiatrist, he goes, You know what, let's put you back on Wellbutrin, because it's going to do two things that's going to help you with your
dopamine. It helps out it's naturally a depression medication. And it's going to help out with you add and I did that for all the way up through a couple months ago, I was on on Wellbutrin. And it helps significantly with just my
generalized anxiety. My mood was lifted, I was able to focus a little bit more which allowed me to think through what what do I need to put in place in my life, to allow myself to be productive at work, focus, get my tasks done without procrastinating, which let's face it, still procrastinate. I mean, I was going through the questions for this podcast this morning. And then that change too. Now I'm not on medication, my depression
got really bad. And so I met with my doctor and I talked through all the things that was happening and we decided to focus make that the priority to where I am now on fluoxetine. So Prozac, basically, it's not an ADHD medication, but what it's doing is helping out so much with my depression symptoms that I was having. My mood is lifted, and now I'm doing other things to help my dopamine whereas medication would normally kick in.
¶ The complexity of medication management
Yeah, so it should stay in because everyone like you said, it's so complex. Someone was saying that there's 6000 different types of ADHD even though there's three types it presents differently. So you one medication like Wellbutrin might work for a while and then it might not work anymore, because you're in a different life situation and you might want me to try something else. Maybe you need a stimulant. We need another stimulant. Maybe you need an antidepressant. So
it's it's forever changing. And you kind of just have to live that way, too.
Yeah, it's a trial by error. I mean, when I told them that I didn't think the world trim was working anymore. You know, we actually put me on a stimulant. Again, we got put on methylphenidate. Finiti.
benedi Yeah, that one, okay. Just
like concert that it was basically the generic Concerta? Yeah, yes, this is why you're the professional in this field. And, and what I found was the moment that I took that because it's an immediate drug my anxiety was through the roof I it was not a stimulant stirred up it stimulates I can't, I said alright, so I have a whole bottle of bottle that's what I'm not touching it. Even my wife noticed I was walking around the house like a crazy. I was just anxious about everything. I
don't even know why. You know, and so we decided, okay, that isn't the best route. And so I think to anyone on the call who are called anyone who's watching or listening, it's it's if you are struggling in your journey of trying to find the medication
that works. We all go through it and we continue to go through it's okay that you're struggling through that you will find something that works and my advice Is be 100% transparent with your medical provider on what you are feeling even down to the fact that, hey, I'm feeling extremely depressed lately. I don't know why I'm working through this, I'm working through that I'm having trouble for whatever it is. Be transparent when you take a
medication doesn't work. You know, I told my psychiatrist, my anxiety was through the roof. I don't know if I could do this. We had an emergency meeting, we quickly adjust my medication. So but
you are very, you're very in tune in your feelings you married sign heal is in the field.
Therapists, yes,
¶ Name and tame your emotions
you marry a therapist, and you've been to therapists, but not everyone that ADHD really understands their emotions all the time, just people in general, you know, and I know you have to like, name it to tame it. But how would you recommend that someone be more in tune with their emotions, or whatever it feeling,
there's a couple of resources you can use. And I don't necessarily have links to them. But I'm sure you can find them out. You can use a feelings wheel. If you go on Google, you can look for, you know, feelings, wheel and charts. And really what what it has is it
has a column that says sad. But then it branches out to all the different kinds of sad and you kind of learned that there's so many different emotions in the in the ranges of being sad, being angry, and you see one word, you go, Oh my gosh, I didn't even know that existed. But yes, I resonate with that. That's what I am. And if you're someone who has has a hard time really expressing not really understanding your emotions, go
to therapy. I mean, go to therapy, if your insurance doesn't cover it, find a way to make it work. Because even before I met my wife, who's the therapist, I've been doing therapy for most of my life for multiple reasons. And therapy can really help you learn to recognize over time, what you are feeling so you can talk about with your therapist, something that you're going through. And they may say, How do you feel and you go, Well, I don't know. And then you might
describe a few things. And then they can help generalize that for you and start to help you identify and associate words with feelings. So that's one thing to do. But if you're not in a place where you're able to meet with a therapist right now, and you're still struggling through that, go and get a feelings chart, kind of even just talk it out with your psychiatrist saying I don't understand what I'm feeling. But this is what's going on in my
mind. Sometimes you're feeling maybe not be sad, sometimes it could be. I feel like my brain is out of control and going to a minute and I can't slow it down. And I feel like I'm going uh huh. You know, that that's a way to express it, express it whatever way you want to, it may not make sense. But the professionals will help you make sense of what doesn't make sense to you.
Totally. So you have tried many different things. Are you open to sharing? So obviously, we work together. We did some ADHD coaching for a while you did the one on one as a group, and you've done therapy, but you've also tried some other different types of therapy. Can you explain what you've done?
¶ Re-mapping memories with EMDR
Yes. So I did a therapy for a while that's called neurofeedback, so neurofeedback is kind of interesting. It's where they put a little brain map cap on your head, that does not hurt, they're not going to shock you or anything like that. What they do is they they map the different brainwaves, your theta, your beta, it was really interesting. So they map it out. And then they come back with a report to you based on your brainwaves. And it's kind of
cool. The number one thing on my list was D. And then number two was insomnia. I was having major issues sleeping. So insomnia was a part of that. OCD was 30% of that. Also how we react how we react in our fight or flight responses. Yeah, it's really interesting. So how are you know as ADHD ears or any neurodivergent person? If you are struggling with anxiety, there's something in a flight or fight or flight response. Your brain goes crazy. Alright, it overthinks it causes our
overthinking part to trigger. I mean, can you only imagine, you know, when I remember when I was when I was dating and and I look back now, the more I understand about my brain, and what I didn't get that text back from a girl that I was interested in the overthinking that would happen in that moment, because it was like, oh, no, I did something wrong. I said something wrong. What's going on?
That led you to that effort spots? Which for you maybe shut down or
100,000%? Yeah.
Well, my freezer also,
I freeze and we call it I completely disconnect. And it's become more apparent in marriage, because even in marriage, you know, I've only been married for a year and a half now. Yeah, about a year and a half. Now. My wife will notice that I pull away, you know, and I just disconnected and stopped because I don't want to talk to her. It's because I don't know. It's how I've coped for so long to just sit on the couch. She calls it the couch sloth sloth
on the couch. I turn on my, usually for me, it's Big Bang Theory. That's my show that I know and love. And I just watch it because it brings me comfort and I don't have to think about anything. Right? So with with neuro feedback, what happens after that is they go, Okay, we have a plan of attack, and so they attack different Brainwave.
So for a while they attacked my insomnia, and in the insomnia brainwaves, and now, I'm not an expert in this, so I'm going to explain it the best that I know how they try to balance out the waves to a normal level, okay, or we connect them where they're
not firing. And the way that they do that you sit in a room, you have the cap on your head, and they put on Netflix saw a show that I wanted to watch, I started rewatching blacklist because I thought it was a phenomenal show, and I forgot about it wanted to watch it again. And then what they do is they put a screen over the Netflix screen. And it's a digital screen, not a physical one, but it's kind of like a window, and it goes black, so
you can't see it. And then when the brainwaves go into the normal, it goes clear. And you don't have to do anything. I'm not sitting there with my brain going, I want to see the movie, your brain just naturally wants that feedback. Because that dopamine hits when you're watching something you like the dopamine hits, it may not be dopamine, it may be something else. But something happens in your brain that says this is a positive feedback, I want to be watching this just starts to
naturally on its own. So you just sit there and watch TV, and your brain starts to adjust to what they're doing. And when they started targeting my insomnia, within about, you start to notice different effects. So regardless of which brainwaves, they're focusing on despite a 2020 session treatment, by about Session Six, you start to notice something so slipping a little bit better. And then they started to focus on the the overthinking area, the fight or flight responses.
And soon enough things that would normally cause me to either panic or even if, let's say my wife and I weren't a little bit of an argument, things that would cause me to not understand what's going on and my brain starts to overthink. And that has calmed down and I would start to have normal calming responses. And we both go Oh, something is different. And it's a relatively it's, I don't believe the treatment is for the most part covered by insurances. I paid about $2,000 for about 20
sessions. But we found it super, super, super helpful. And it really decreased my Jose, I'm sleeping better. Oddly enough, I don't snore as much which my wife is happy.
Or maybe I need to send my husband there. Right. Last night, maybe we both need to go.
Some nights I do still snore it. I mean, she's she's now wearing earplugs. So God bless her soul. So that's one thing. All right, you can go look it up again. It's called neurofeedback. There's a lot of studies on on out there. And I'm in the mindset of I'm just going to try something and see if it works. If it doesn't work, it doesn't. But if it does, Great, all right, great. The second thing is more of a I would say a Therapy Focus. And in this is
called EMDR. And I something's bad electrical sub response, something like that. Yeah, we all have trauma from our pet. Well, I hope not everyone, but I know there's some we all have some sort of trauma from our past, the way that respond to situations in our lives are from a certain place in our life night, something that we don't ever remember. They're all imprinted in our brains and our
memories in our subconscious. So with EMDR, what they do is with a special it with someone who specializes in EMDR, you take a look at this light, and you just follow it back and forth with your eyes at different movements, you're doing an eye movement. And while you're doing that you're processing a thought, a feeling a memory, whatever it might be, and, and you work with a therapist to kind of remap a memory may be a
good example. Let's say you're an introvert and you're afraid of speaking out and you're afraid of standing up for yourself. And in situations where, you know, there might have been a childhood trauma that caused that for you. Well, you can do EMDR against that, and you can remap that to where my my therapist would say, or what would you want to do in this moment, you know, and, you know, I want to turn into Hulk and smash out and you know, you do that in your brand in the
moment. And you do what you think you wanted to do the whole time, whether it's being able to speak out, speak up for yourself, and you relive that in your brain while you're watching the eye movement. And what happens is, is is that that physical response, whether it's anxiety, whether it's shutting down, whether it's it could be anything, but it's a physical response, that response slowly diminishes, because that memory is remapped to a new memory that you've created a new visual of a
traumatic event. So you're visualizing that traumatic event and you're doing what you've always wanted to do and that that you're standing up for yourself. You're saying something to someone, whether it's a parent, a sibling, a friend or whatever situation.
Yeah, yeah. So many of us will go back. I mean, I do this all the time. I wish I said this, why did I do this? Right? And here you are, do it.
Well, exactly. Here you are, do it. But here's the crazy thing that I found. I found myself when I first started EMDR. You know, I was processing a specific memory of not the memory, the feeling was, I'm not going to amount to anything. And it brought me back to a specific childhood memory of when I was a sophomore in high school. I mean, I'm talking very specific I have, I'm 42
years old. I have not thought about this since, you know, the earlier it was I mean, it just came back and was playing for me like a movie in my mind. And so I was like, Oh, my gosh, this is where this feeling is coming from. This is why I feel like I'm gonna amount to nothing, because this specific thing happened to me. And so then I was able to re reprocess that rewire that, and it was really powerful. Yeah.
So you would recommend to anyone listening to try, you know, most of these things like all of them have had a positive impact on
all of them have had a positive impact, what I would recommend is, I wouldn't jump straight into EMDR. Right away, what I would do is I would seek out a therapist who maybe has an EMDR specialist, talk with them about what you're going through and see if they recommend something that would be helpful to you. Most likely,
they probably will. If the therapist says hey, you should probably take EMDR or you're unsure about neurofeedback, I've had positive experiences to both, and would highly recommend it if it's if it's an opportunity that you that you have.
Wonderful, wonderful. So Chris, what would be your number one success tip for ADHD or is listening right
¶ Keeping it simple - reduce the to-do apps!
now?
Yeah, okay. Keep it simple. All right, keep it simple. I'm a computer guy. So I love to do apps, I love to do I think it might period of time of talking to you how many to do applications that I go through Oh, I'm trying Tick Tick I'm trying to do is I'm trying all these things. And and for real, if you spend time managing your to do apps and not doing the to do's on the to do apps, get rid of it, just get rid of it. Go back to a simple, you know, go back to a simple pen and paper.
For us it off. I've actually found that being a lot better. At nighttime, what I do at the end of the day at work, now I'm putting what are the three main things I need to get done tomorrow, they may change, you may not tackle him, but I'm at least thinking about it. And the morning, I'm reviewing those before I do them, I go and do them. I have a whole nother thing for notes. And I go back and check it. It's to do apps are good. They're okay, I have a simple one that I use on my Mac
called things. Or I just use the simple Notes app that comes along with it. But I'm just looking for something that I love. Linear. I just need Give me what to do today. And I will go and do it.
Yeah. Okay. So you know, you know that right now, your brain just wants it simple. You don't want to manage another thing. He just wants simplification suit, because then
you start managing that you're gonna become hyper focused on that. And how can I make this better? How can I, we become stuck in the process of focusing on how can I make my efficiencies more efficient, rather than being efficient?
I love that that's an amazing place to stop. So for those of the people listening, who may want to get in touch with you tell them what you're up to. Because I think that's so cool.
¶ Starting a podcast for neurodivergent coders
Yeah, so last year, I went back to school for full stack software web development, you can find my website Krisna wiki CHR is no wi CK i.io. And that's where I'm just trying to pursue a new career right now freelancing I missed the independent contributor parts that we talked about, right. So I'm pursuing a career in software development. And after going back to school, that's a whole nother topic. But I did school paths for a year. And then now I'm just continuing to do what I do. And you're
starting a podcast. Yeah. So I actually am planning on starting at a podcast after a few other things are lined up. But for ADHD, or specifically those that are developers. So how do we work through ADHD as software developers? What tools do we have as software developers to help us especially now that AI is huge in the developer space and in all spaces? Yeah,
I know, there's a lot of you listening who are gonna want that and what are you going to call it so people notice unto you,
we're still figuring out a name, but I think right now, I've landed on neurodivergent coders.
Okay, well, when you get that out, we can update the link in the description. Yeah.
And I can update you more on that later. Wonderful, Chris.
It's amazing speaking to you, as usual, thank you for coming on to successful
test. I'm so proud of you and ever. This is so cool. This is great.
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