So welcome back to Success Engineering, everybody. I'm your host, Michael Bauman this is the best of Season Five episode. So for those of you who may have just joined us, what I do for this episode is I pull out some of the top tips, the insights, the stories, et cetera, from all of our guests to give you just a snippet of how the conversation went.
Then if there's any that stand out to you that you may have missed, or you just wanna revisit, cuz they're amazing and it jogs your memory or peaks your interest. You can dive back into those ones as well. So let's jump right into it. So our first guess that we had on is Lachie Stuart and he's the founder of The Man that Can Project. So an internationally renowned men's performance coach for high achievers. He's a podcast host.
After placing his whole identity in working to be a professional rugby player. He went through a super dark period of time, um, drugs, alcohol partying, till he hit rock bottom, literally. And through incredible dedication, perseverance turned his life around. Now influences thousands of people's lives. So truly remarkable story. Let's hear what he has to say.
Found myself at a point where I didn't know what was next for me. I had all these incredible opportunities. I had talent in a, a sporting realm, but I'd made nothing of it. So my self worth was in the dirt. And I didn't really know what was gonna be next for me. I hadn't, you know, I hadn't really given myself a plan B that plan a was just to succeed in sport. I just wanted to numb the pain from Wednesday through Sunday. It was just constant alcohol abuse and, and recreational drug use.
And I just remember, you know, when you have those come downs or you just don't feel good ever. Uh, I remember just the amount of drugs that I was taking I got to a point where I was like, I don't mind if I wake up. Found myself arrested at the bottom of, of a set of stairs. And I, I believe deep down in this, this pit in my stomach that I can be doing and have so much more. And if I can manage to get through this next set of hours, I'm gonna change my life.
Next we had Simon Severino on he's a CEO of Strategy Sprints, which is Europe's leading remote growth advisory. His global team of certified strategy, sprints coaches. They do one thing. They double the revenue of businesses in 90 days, he does that extraordinarily well. If anyone understands and maximizes systems and processes, it's Simon, he's built a massively successful business while maintaining strict boundaries are all around what is important to him, his family, his kids.
He learned a lot of this, the hard way, going through the opposite, where he sacrificed a lot of, uh, the family and his friends for what he thought was success and totally revamped his entire life to align more deeply with what he discovered to be the things that were truly important to him.
The first year of starting my own business. I realized that the more revenue, the more miserable I am Monday morning, I would fly Wednesday to the next city. And I would come back the weekend. Basically, I was here only in the weekend. And so my friends, my wife said. What's going on here. You wanted freedom and now you're adjusting planes. We want more of you.
We want you back Before I shut down the day, it asks me two reflective questions One is what will you delegate tomorrow to somebody that does it better than you? And so write down everything that I hate doing or everything that is below my hourly rate. And then the second question that it asks me is if you would leave more freely and more intentionally, what would you do?
Next we had psychotherapist and author William Pullen on the show. He's the founder of Dynamic Running Therapy, which reimagines the traditional talk therapy model of having clients sit on a couch, talking with a therapist to one that's actually out in nature. A lot of times incorporating movement running, walking into the healing process.
And so we dive into what success truly is along with just the reality of all of us attempting to navigate through the messiness of life, regardless of how much knowledge or experience we have. So very interesting conversation
Maybe success really is about questioning what success is rather than ever settling with one idea of what success is. It's, it's the flexibility to always be in a sort of emergent state. You take a breath, right? You do that breather and you go, you know what? It's never gonna be perfect. And you let go of all ideas about being successful enough. And good. And, you know, and you go back to the sort of good enough father and the good enough husband and the good enough man.
And there's a kind of humility in that. And if you ask me what success really looks like, I suspect the most successful person for me is that is the happiest person. Day in day out, how much happines can I squeeze into my life? Contentment, happiness, whatever word you want before, before I die. Um, and often that's obviously involved in making other people happy and, and challenging ourselves and all the things that we know about.
Then we had Dr. Dana Crawford on. She's a pediatric and clinical psychologist who developed the Crawford Bias Reduction Theory in Training, which is a systematic approach to reduce bias, prejudice, and racism.
This conversation approach racism and its prevalence from a deeper lens than I ever considered everything from documented medical racism, to how early racism actually develops in children, to the nuances of diversity, equity, inclusion, and what we can do as individuals to actually stop it and reduce our own biases. It was an extraordinary conversation. I took so much from it and I know you guys will, as well
I was in sixth grade and the teacher said, your people don't know those big words. And I just felt this shame come over me. The problem isn't race. The problem is racism. It's not that children see race. That's a problem. It's how they prescribe behavior. The ways that they prescribe worth based on that race. Racism is a socially transmitted disease. It's viewing someone's ability, their intellect, their worth, who they are in the world through the lens of their race.
And because it is a socially transmitted disease, it's the ways in which we understand our relationship to other. And so when I think about the ways that historically we view diversity, it's more so like, Hey, come over to a dinner party, you know, come over, have a meal. You're welcome. Make yourself at home, but there's no closet space for me there. There's no drawer for me there. Um, there's no ownership. That this is equally mine. It's not make yourself at home. It is, you are home.
And that is really, to me, what belonging is, inclusion is like, Hey, here's a drawer. Belonging is like, Hey, this is our home. What do you wanna do with it? Do you like this paint? Let's change it. Actually. I'm gonna paint all the walls white. So then when you come in, we can pick our paint together. And it's a recognition that me coming in could very well create something that you've never even imagined. Right.
And that is what we're lacking when we don't have diversity, equity, inclusion, and belonging.
Then we had Megan Crutchley. They are a queer health advocate working to make fitness, more inclusive by educating fitness professionals, coaches, businesses on issues around queer health. And we talked about the statistics around the prevalence of very serious health concerns in the often overlooked and marginalized, LGBTQ plus community in many areas from obesity to mental health, substance abuse, addiction. Health is such an important component of success.
And I learned a lot of things that I wouldn't have even realized of how many environmental and systemic challenges that people from the LGBTQ plus community face in terms of really wanting to be healthy and to own that aspect of who they are.
It was hard growing up and feeling different for a lot of different reasons, including being a really overweight kid. Then being really good at sports and being really good at school. I got bullied a lot. I got into fights a lot. You just show up on the playground as who you are, and then over time you learn that that is that there's not a place for you that, that you have to change a part of yourself in order to be considered desirable in order to be considered pretty.
When I was 17, I came out to my best friend. and she did not respond well. She said that I was disgusting. The first day that I started to look up, um, health statistics and all these different things that I, I started to cry. I was, I was like, I'm a queer person in the health industry. And I, I didn't realize this. I just thought about the fact that nobody really understands the type of health crisis that's happening in the LGBTQ+ community.
If you are an immigrant, if you are a black person, if you are an indigenous person, like all, all of these different groups definitely have worse health outcomes than the kind of white heteronormative society. I look at humans as that we're all just flowers in the garden. We love the biodiversity that we see on the planet and that we think that these are beautiful, amazing things. And then yet when we come to human beings, we go, no, you're either this, or you're this.
Then our next guess was Tim Ash. He's an acknowledged authority on evolutionary psychology and digital marketing. Named a Forbes top 10 online marketing expert and named by Entrepreneur magazine as an online marketer to watch. We dive really deeply into brain chemistry, hormones, how these all interplay to affect our lives, our behaviors, and the choice that we make.
For those of us that are interacting with different people, the most important foundational skill you could have is understanding human behavior. It cuts across Leadership, corporate culture, sales, marketing, product design, all of the things that many of us in the information economy are involved with. Understand how people really make decisions and what influences them. And then you're going to have a long and successful career. There is an effect to being independently wealthy on happiness.
They've done statistical studies on this. You know what it is? 3%. You still have a spouse, that may not like you, kids that you may not get along with, social comparisons to people that have 10 X, the amount of money you have. And you're really not much happier. Isolation is horrible. We're the most hyper social of creatures. If we're not surrounded by our group, our chances of survival, aren't that good.
As far as oxytocin goes, actually, if you can't see other members of your tribe, your oxytocin levels go down. And as soon as you can see them again, they go up. It's that important to be in sight of your in-group. Being an entrepreneur is its own kind of sickness. We should all be hustling and pivoting and being unicorns and scrumming our way to success. Well, no! That's actually a sickness! You're completely out of balance!
A really good question to ask yourself if you're a lonely entrepreneur, "What am I running from?"
Next we had Beka Goletiani on the show. He was raised in war torn, Georgia and through tremendous determination and work ethic is now the regional manager for all Red Bull athletes in the Middle East. We talk about everything from how his background built incredible amounts of resilience and grit to the behinds of scenes of how stunt ideas actually become a reality in the Red Bull world. So a very interesting conversation.
Usually the bombing would start out of nowhere, bombing and falling around and then this constant bombing and the guns. Pretty much we'll lost everything. We moved back to the Capitol all our treasure was $5 in my dad's pocket. one carpet, one TV, and some books of my mother, because she could only live that books, that was pretty much our fortune, when we came to the capital. I strongly believe what doesn't kill you, makes you stronger.
I think the kids who came out from this hard times, we have more resilience inside us you have already make a double work to get the equal. But for me I always think big, I always dream big.
Next we had Mick Spiers on. He's the founder of the Leadership Project and host of the Leadership Project podcast. We dive into the Platinum Rule of leadership, deep listening, and a bunch more. I would definitely recommend checking this out if you want to upgrade and develop as a leader, as there's a lot of really good information in this episode.
The Golden Rule: we're always taught that you should treat other people the way you want to be treated. And that's just not enough. You need to treat other the way they want to be treated! The next one I would say is about deep listening. Deep listening also takes practice and deep listening comes from the work of theory you from auto Sharma and it has four levels and many people get stuck at level one. One is when you only hear things that you already know.
All the things that you want to hear, and you're not picking up all of the other things that are going on around you. To go to level two, you need to listen with an open mind, forget everything that you already know, and just intently listen with an open mind about what the other person is saying and why they're saying it. Level three is that listen with an open heart, is to pay attention to the emotion going on there. Are they frustrated? Are they angry?
Are they showing passion here, picking up where their emotions are taking them And level four, this one's really challenging by the way, level four is listening with an open will and listening with an open will means that you are open to accepting new realities. And the last one, once again, takes practice seeing the whole of the person. So listening to someone is not about what they're saying. It's about everything. It's about their facial expressions.
It's about their body language, their posture, seeing the whole of the person I asked myself the same questions, which are what went well today. What didn't go well today? What would I do differently next time if I had my time over. What did I learn about myself today? And what did I learn about others?
Our next guest was Mark Butler. He's known as the Burnout Expert. So clinical specialist and strategist that has a unique blend of 15 years of clinical psychotherapy experience. That's actually paired with 25 years of commercial experience interwoven together and led companies at a very high level. And we talked about everything from suicide to mental health burnout, how we can shift toxic work cultures. Again, a lot of really practical takeaways that you can get from this conversation as well.
What's the carbon monoxide in your workplace today? And it's going to be stress, or it's going to be workload, or it's going to be lack recognition, something like that. Right. And I said, okay, well, okay, now we know what makes the coal mine toxic, what's your canary? How do you know when it's happening and if you do spot it happening, what do we do about it? And the answer actually is usually nothing.
But of all of the strategies that an organization can put in place the most valuable by a long shot is what we call contact based conversations. And by that, I mean, senior leadership in the organization, having a conversation around their exposure to mental health, whether it's them or a family member or somebody close to them. And just having an open and honest conversation about what that experience was like and what it meant.
The reality is that one in four of us will experience a mental health challenge this year. 40% of the likelihood of somebody getting better from a mental health experience or challenge is predicated on this sort of community support they get. 30% of the likelihood will come from their sense of hope that they can get better. So now we're up to 70%. We haven't even gotten to see a primary care yet, right?
A psychologist, a psychiatrist, a council worker, social worker, GP, a therapists, and whoever they can influence about 15% of the likelihood of them getting better. But the vast majority of the likelihood comes from that sense that they're have that they belong and that they are connected to something and that they matter. And that's the community of support and the sense of hope that this. do I matter? Do I belong? Do I contribute?
And I'm a validated, and if I don't get those sorts of senses, then I'm not going to give you my best work. And if I'm not giving you my best work, then you know, burnout could be a problem
Our next guest was Andre Henry. He's an award-winning musician, a writer and an anti-racism activist. So he literally dragged a hundred pound Boulder for months around LA as a demonstration of how you can't compartmentalize racism out of your life. Like it is something that affects you in every area of your life, physically, mentally you take it everywhere. And that's just one of the things that we've done.
We talked a lot about the long term effects of racism about non-violent protests and how it's been shown to be far more effective than violent protests. Also how mental health plays into activism and collectively how we can just pursue black joy and the joy of the people around us.
What if the whole country knew, that nonviolent struggle has been proven to be twice as effective as armed struggle, what if they knew no oppressive regime had been able to withstand the sustained and active non-violent resistance of just three and a half percent of the population. What if they knew these things? By the end of that night, I had a hundred pound boulder in my possession.
I'm sitting outside my home studio painting this boulder white, and I've got this wagon because the thing is too heavy for me to carry around at the time. On that boulder is written all of these, racial injustices, like mass incarceration and police brutality and the names of victims of police violence. For about six months, I took that boulder everywhere with me. To me, it represented the mental burden, that racism puts on the black psyche.
And I wanted for people to see when I come into this job interview, when I get to this classroom, when I walk into the room for dinner with you, when I show up for this date or whatever, I am lugging all this stuff with me. Really what we're talking about when we talk about ending racism is getting out of the way of Black joy. That's it. How do you get out of the way of Black joy?
Our next guest is Corey Chadwick. He's a mental fitness and mindset coach and founder of The Mental Gym. He talks about how we can intentionally live our 10 life, how we can choose optimism and joy, even in the faces of incredible challenges and adversity. He's overcome some really crazy things in his personal life, but still chooses life. Still chooses joy, still chooses optimism. Very inspirational.
I just made this promise to myself "I'm going to live my 10!" And what I knew about it at the time, and it still really holds true to living your 10, is that at its core, it's about living the happiest, most fulfilled life you possibly can.
I learned that if you want to live the kind of life you want to live, if you want to be who you want to be, if you want to be happy, if you want to be fulfilled, if you want to realize your potential, if you want to live with purpose, if you want amazing relationships, you name it. You've got to take responsibility for that. You've got to take control of your life and take ownership of your life.
One of my favorite tools for gaining self-awareness and growth is asking yourself this simple little question. I ask myself this multiple times a day, every day, "Who do I want to be? In any situation you're in and any decision that you have to make, just ask yourself the question, "Who do I want to be?" When you answer it, you learned a lot about yourself. You learn a lot about who you are and you learn a lot about who you could be if you made a decision just slightly differently than before.
Every one of us has this version of ourselves that deep down we believe we could be. We might not know how to get there. In fact, most of us don't know how to get there. I didn't know how to get there, but that doesn't mean that version doesn't exist. So if we can help you start to think and make decisions and act, and behave and feel like this version of yourself, can you just start showing up? Well, now you're on that path to living the life that person would live.
Our next guest was Carl Gould. He's a serial entrepreneur. He built three multimillion dollar businesses before the age of 40 and his current company 7 Stage Advisors has helped over a 100,000 businesses around the world and has trained and has certified over 7,000 business coaches in over 35 countries. We talk about everything from loneliness of entrepreneurship to the most common mistakes entrepreneurs make how we can avoid em, how we can scale.
He's a wealth of information and knowledge and experience. So if you're looking at growing your business, check out this episode.
In the very beginning of my landscaping career, I didn't have medical benefits. So I took a job at UPS loading trucks. And I did the midnight shift. So I worked from 12 midnight to 8:00 AM. Then I used to go do my landscaping business. I was sleeping in my car for a couple of hours each night in the parking lot of UPS. And then I would nap maybe at lunchtime now and again. I did that for over a year and it was just a crazy schedule! Every business, I don't care who you are.
I don't care what you do. I don't care what your widget is. And this is why you have to at least like what you're doing is you realize very quickly you are in the marketing. Right. So you have to like what you do enough to do the parts of the businesses that you don't like doing. The more successful you get, the lonelier it gets and the more you have to be careful about where you're sharing information, who you're talking to. So you need to be very resilient.
You need to be just unbelievably persistent. You have to be willing to hustle. This is an energy game. I don't have to be better than you, I just gotta get there first. Or I got to be willing to do that little extra to earn the trust of somebody and that's what it is.
The next guest was Dr. Kirk Parsley.. He's called the Sleep Doctor and rightfully so! He spent over a decade as a Navy seal before studying sleep, becoming a doctor and really diving into the effect that sleep has or lack thereof, uh, on the body. I knew sleep was important before this but this conversation blew me away in terms of how crucial it is in every single area of your life, how strongly it's correlated with so many different areas. You will not wanna miss this conversation.
One of the things that people confuse is what can you survive with and what can you thrive with? You can survive off of five or six hours a night. You'll definitely die a lot younger, but you can survive for quite a while that way. On average, you'll die about 12 years younger than somebody who sleeps well. And there's very few things that shorten your life by 12 years, right? That's a big enchilada. That's on par with cigarettes.
We don't have a great subjective or objective experience of sleep. We also have very poor self-awareness around sleep. So if you sleep great all the time, and then you deprive yourself, what we call sleep restrict yourself. So you miss maybe two out of eight hours and you sleep six hours instead of eight. You'll feel really tired the next day.
And you'll know it was because you didn't get enough sleep but maybe on the third day, definitely by the fourth day, you'll say, oh, I feel totally fine on six hours of sleep. I think I'm doing as well as I've ever done before. But when we test you on that Nope, you're actually getting worse every single day. And you just feel like you're getting better.
The contract we're all born into, one is that we're going to die, and then two, is that it takes eight hours of sleep to recover from being awake for 16 hours. And doesn't matter if you like either one of those things they're true. If I choose to only sleep six hours because I want to get up early and beat everybody to the office, or I want to get up and get my work done before the world wakes up and get ahead on whatever.
I'm choosing to age 25% faster, but I'm also choosing to have 25% fewer resources the next day.
Then our next guest was Hans Van Weerd. He's a Dutch biologist who spent years managing zoos all over the world before pursuing his passion for art through just stunning paintings and masterpieces that he does. This is a really interesting look behind the scenes of what it takes to manage a zoo. And then also how you can capture the essence of people and life through art
So you want people to really stand in all but also to show people how extremely rich their lives should be how beautiful they are, but also what role they play in the natural world or what is left of them and how they could, or should be able to exist. Definition of my art is that I want to help people capture the precious moments in their life because they are fleeting moments. They're here today and can be gone tomorrow. And that could be about themselves. It could be about a loved one.
It could even be about their garden or the home. All those things that you cherish now, but may not be here again tomorrow.
I spoke to my grandfather on the phone and my grandfather knew that I'd been partying and he could hear that I'd been drinking on the phone and he said, "Why don't you just give up that drink, son, and give it everything you've got?" When my grandfather died I remember his last words and I thought, "Oh, this is serious! I really have to give this everything I've got!" I never heard words more clearly or more loud in my head then that moment.
And so I looked in the mirror and said, I'm going to be world champion. I am the world champion. I looked in the mirror and said, I'm going to be world champion. I am the world champion from this moment onwards and everything I do, I'm going to make the right choices. And that just completely turned everything around for me and my life. At that moment in time, I wasn't the person that was ready to win the world championship.
When I asked that I was provided the obstacles and all the grind and all the valleys, all the hard work to get where I needed to be. I keep overcoming and I keep getting back up again, and I dust off, and I go again and I learned what those hard times taught me. Then I start to become the person that I need to be.
Then we had Jaime Kullman on, she was named one of the top business coaches to follow in 2022, host the Align with Purpose in Life and Leadership podcast, which is ranked in the top 1% of all podcasts globally. We talk about how she was making six figures in high school selling hub caps to truly discovering her purpose and aligning with that. And what that journey looked like. So very interesting conversation.
In this world, I was alone, completely alone. I just felt empty. I was like, I don't know, I feel alone in this. Am I the only one who thinks this way? Am I the only one who does this stuff? Why do I feel like I'm just alone in this world with these thoughts? My friends didn't understand What I was doing. They really weren't in that world at all. They thought I was crazy. It was definitely rough. So you've got to surround yourself with other people who are doing it too.
Success is knowing that what you're doing is what you're here to do. It's being completely on purpose and realizing that anything you've ever wanted in your life is a by-product of you being on purpose. The only way to have true success is showing up every single day in pursuit of what you're meant to do on this planet.
Then we had the absolute legend Damian Browne on who at the time that this episode launches is literally rowing the Atlantic ocean for the second time. You can follow his journey through the Deep Roots podcast. I'm definitely keeping track of what's going on. So he's solo rowed the Atlantic ocean, he ran a 257 kilometer marathon through the Sahara desert.
He summited five of the seven tallest peaks in the world and his mindset and framework for visualizations and affirmations is unlike any I've ever heard. It's absolutely extraordinary. His stories are mind blowing.
I was asleep. It was six in the morning. I woke up when I got catapulted into the other side of the boat head first, split my head open and the boat is rolling 360 degrees, it's self righting because of the ferocity of the wave that's turned it over. Out of the right-hand corner of my eye I catch this flash of blue and white. I just knew. I'm going over. That's a wave. I reached behind me and there was a handle on the bulkhead. I just instinctively grabbed it. The boat went over. The wave broke.
And I went into the water hanging on with one hand. I went 180 degrees underneath the water saying one thing to myself, "Squeeze your grip!" I'm always searching for reality, right? Like it's hard to find it. So you've got to cut through a lot of shite, a lot of conditioning, a lot of crap, a lot of poor messaging I find. You know, a lot of this Disneyfication of the world, so I'm always searching for that. I'm always searching for a freedom within myself to understand myself better.
And what comes up in those absolute best moments is a clear reality, clear view of who I am, When you feel that, and when you get all that connectedness between, you know, the acceptance of it, and the understanding around it, and the awareness around who you are at on a much deeper level, it's beautiful.
Then we had Stephen Shedletsky on. He's a champion for Speak Up culture and giving people a voice in organizations. So we talk about his background navigating the stutter that he had growing up to speaking in front of thousands of people, along with the incredible depth and the strength of his why, and his purpose for everything that he does in.
I've known in my own experiences in my career, as well as my own experiences as a human being, what it feels like to have a voice and to be voiceless, either because of a speech impediment or lack of confidence or because of organizational culture. I don't like that feeling. It's not optimal, for you, me and anyone else. And so I've become obsessed with how leaders can create environments in which people feel safe using their voice, even if it's imperfect.
Culture equals values, multiplied by behavior to the power of influence, You do not need a title to be a leader. You need the behavior to be a leader and if you have followers, you're a leader.
And then our last guest for this season was Leon VanderPol. He's a master teacher, founder of the Center for Transformational Coaching. And this was really a deep dive into the process of how we transform our lives by leaning into fear and discomfort and our emotions along with discovering and really cherishing joy and peace and learning to sit with them and incorporate them into our
I hadn't become the person for whom my high dreams were possible. And I didn't realize that until in hindsight. I thought that well, if I can begin to visualize my high dreams, if I can see the business that I want to create, if I can make a vision board of my ideal business as an example, well, it should happen if I just do these things. But what I didn't realize was that when you're living into that real true life purpose piece, that it's not a linear process to get there.
It's not just a matter of saying, well, I can identify it. I can visualize it. Therefore, if I take these steps, I will arrive there.
When I was willing to do the deep inner work to be the person for whom that high dream was possible, that high dream happened almost over night I think it begins though with just this recognition that if you feel that you are on something like a transformational journey, like something inside you is maybe shaking a loose, a little, some old ways of viewing the world are not feeling as stable as they were. If there's a sense of there's more to my life than this.
There's something in me that wants to be expressed that I'm somehow not expressing or am afraid to express like any of those signals is for me, the place that we begin, because they signal the beginning. If you will, of this journey of transformation.
So there we have it. We're wrapping up Season Five of Success Engineering. Again, based on the feedback that I receive, we're actually gonna be changing the entire format for Season Six. And this starts July 4th. What we'll be doing is we'll break down each month into different topics with thought leaders and experts not only sharing the stories that they have, we'll definitely still have that component in there.
But really focusing on leaving us with specific practical tools that we can use to engineer success in every area of our lives. And this will actually begin with the physical health. So in July, all of the guests we have will be about physical health. We'll cover everything from exercise to nutrition, to hormones, morning routines, a lot more. Lot of really, really good content coming. August will all be about happiness.
How we can be truly happy along with how we can implement habits that we want into our lives break habits that we don't like. September is all about neuroscience. It's about the mind. It's how we can optimize productivity. Overcome our limiting beliefs. October is all about mental. So examining how it affects our lives, simple daily tools we can do to address it. November is relationships, it's communication, it's navigating difficult conversations, And then we're gonna end with December.
It's your fun, your inspirational, your dives, just absolutely unbelievable adventures and stories of people doing remarkable things around the world. So we have an incredible lineup of guests for you. I'm really excited to bring this due season to you. Again, season six will be airing Monday, July 4th, happy 4th of July for the listeners in the US. I look forward to seeing you there. Until then keep engineering your success.