What's the deal with duckbill platypuses?

is what you mean. And we did butterflies ones. Yeah, with the narwhal. We gotta do that at some point too, not like it's like a dolphin with the tusk. Well, they'll just be a short one. We just did the narwal. Uh. Yeah, we were talking today about the platypus. We have not ever done it before, and despite Jerry's protests to the contrary, we haven't recorded one. If we have, Chuck and I have both gone totally insane and have no recollection of it.

So if we did, let us know, well we covered uh, weird animals in Australia or deadly animals in Australia, venomous animals in Australia. But we have not covered the platypus specifically. Did we mention the platypus in that because I don't don't. I don't recall knowing that the platypus had venom. We definitely didn't. So that's the big twist of this episode. I'm ruined it for everybody. I'm sorry. Oh man, there's so many twists with the platypus. You can't this is

spoiler free. So, um, did you know much of this stuff beforehand? No? And in fact, I did not know that they were so small. I didn't either. That took me by surprise. I thought there may be the size of like my torso. Yeah, I thought it was like the size of a of a medium sized dog or something, or a large beaver. And it kind of looks like a beaver that stuck its face and something and got it stuck. Like it looks like a beaver that stuck its face in a fake duck bill and can't get

it off. It's not a very cute animal. I want it to be very cute, and it's just not. I like it. But they are tiny. That's like the size of a very small cat even Yeah, they run to about five pounds a little more, is that, right? I saw five pounds somewhere. Yeah. They what's interesting is they well they're only found in Eastern Australia up and down the coast down to the island of Tasmania, right, and they live in woodlands and rivers. Yeah. And the ones

in the south though are um larger, is there? Yeah, though they can get up to like six pounds, and the ones in the north up in like the Queensland coast, they're like some of those like two and a half three pounds. They're just teeny little cute guys. They're like teacup platypus. Yeah. So I've always just seen pictures of them without a human around a human did I say human? And um, then when I saw I watched a bunch of videos today when I saw the people holding them up,

I was like, that's just a little thing. So yeah, my answer the long window lay saying I didn't know much about them, Well, you know, I didn't know much about him either, And it turns out that, um, most people don't because I've seen a lot of different stuff like that. Just that weight discrepancy is is just one example. Like um, like we said, platypuses They spend most of their lives along river banks and freshwater river banks, we

should say, are there saltwater rivers? Truly, there's like tidal creeks and stuff like that. These guys are freshwater animals, um, And they hold their breath when they go eat food because they're actually bottom feeders. But um, they I saw a lot of different variations and estimates of how long they could hold their breath. Thirty seconds I saw all over the place. One person said, eight minutes. I think one source said, I don't know five. I think it's

what one source said. So I've seen all over the place. But the point is there's a lot of random facts floating around about platypuses, and we're gonna compile them all together here. That's right. Um. I was instantly surprised by the fact that they were just on the east coast of Australia. Didn't know that, right, I knew Australia. I didn't even know that now first some reason, I don't know.

I just didn't know that. So apparently, after Pangaea split, it evolved on one of the huge chunks of land called Gondwana. Then that split formed Australia and South America and some other places, and they were in South America and Australia at the time, and then the ones in South America died off and all he's just like, it's ours, right, what was that? What happened? Just now? That was Australia. Okay, that was my best stab um and we the duck

built platypus. As far as it it's called today, that's obviously a European term for it. And it wasn't until almost the nineteenth century that the platypus um was first encountered by Europeans. Before that, Aborigines obviously had run into them before. They had names for him like Malanong, Bundabura, uh tambret a, better names than duck build platypus. Yeah,

agreed um. So that the Aborigines knew about it, and the first white colonists that showed up in Australia, I guess, heard legends of these things and then started to see them themselves. And even though these were Europeans telling other Europeans, Hey, there's this really weird animal down here. There's a bunch of weird animals, like you're not gonna believe the kangaroo but this thing has got it, like all of them beat and people in Europe are like, you're full of it.

And they even sent them specimens, stuffed specimens, and the the Texa germists and the naturalists and biologists back in Europe said, I still don't believe it because at the time, have you ever seen the mermaid mummies? Yeah, the Chinese were they were in the fabricating animals. Yeah, so everybody thought it was just a Chinese thing until somebody finally got their hands on one, uh and dissected it. His name was Everard Jones, and he proclaimed them real in

eighteen o two. Yeah. It's funny that for a while they're like, no, no, no, this went through that. I think they call it the Indian Seas at the time, they're like went close to China and you know that they're just nuts over there with this stuff. Yeah, it's a rogue taxidermy pretty much. What's kind of cool that they were doing that, though, I wonder if it was just like a creative thing or what were they doing. They were selling them to sailors. It's like as some

sort of scam as a yeah, as a mermaid. They're like, these are real mermaids from what I understand, like the sea monkeys that you defend, but even less real. So, um, we finally established a ten o two that platypuses are real, and we start to just really dig in to figure out what is going on with these things, and the more we dig in, the stranger things become. So, for example, chuck platypus, it's a mammal, and the reason it's a mammal is because it nurses, it's young, and it has

for yet it doesn't have nipples. No, it secretes its milk through its abdomen like it's just leaking or something through poor and the little they're called puggles, they're young, are and the puggles just suckle on the abdomen and it's a very odd thing in in nature for that to happen. It is peculiar. Yeah, very peculiar. Yeah. Um, okay, so they're mammals, but they're not just mammals. They also straddle the line like that. Basically, the platypusts exists to

strain the taxonomic system of classification of animals. They have that duck bill, that pesky duck bill. Yeah, and the web feet so it's like, all right, so they're birds, right, I guess, but I thought we just said they were mammals. Officially they are mammals. That's not going to change, although you never know. But yeah, they do have the web feet and the duck bill and then they also have um certain uh, they have eyes like a reptile. They

lay eggs like a reptile. Amphibians they suckle their young through their abdomens with milk, but they give birth to eggs, so that's not supposed to happen either. No, the female they have two ovaries, one of them functions, one of them doesn't, and they lay these, you know, one to three little leathery eggs. They're a little more round than the oval bird eggs, but there their eggs. And they're born with teeth that fall out. Then they have these

little horny plates that they mash their food up with. Yeah, they don't have teeth, they're just weird. They're born with teeth, right, which actually it's funny because um, both creationists and evolutionists hold the platypus up as evidence of their beliefs. The

creationists are like, if anything, it's reverse evolutions. They lose their teeth right, and like you this this thing was obviously assembled, right, Like what what evolves over hundreds of millions of years living by water but can only hold

its breath for thirty seconds? Thirty seconds means depending on who you ask, say the creationists evolutionists say, well, no, I mean, like what this is probably the earliest example of a mammal to branch off from the the mammalian line, so it fills in the gaps between us and our distant, distant ancestry. It's a great example of evolution. The fact is, like we're we still don't quite know what the deal

is with this thing, even after mapping it's genome. Yeah, I bet you there's a political, great political cartoon out there with a like a Christian pulling on the duck bill and an evolutionist pulling on the tail the platypus in the middle, Like, yeah, I just want to live, right, I guess it just wrote a political cartoon. Don't put

your hang ups on me. Yeah, exactly. All we need to do is be able to draw, would be said, so the the the the strange parade of character traits, character traits that would be what, like whether it was good to its mother or something. Um of um what is it called phenotypes? Just biological traits? I guess yeah, that strange parade of those that has ended yet. No

platypuses are just one of two members of monotreams mammalion monotreams. Okay, because birds are monotreams because they poop and hatche eggs out of the same hole called the cloaca. Yeah yeah, um, but I guess as far as what you're saying mammals are concerned, there's the spiny ant eater and the platypus are the only ones who excrete and shoot eggs out of one hole? Is that the what the kidneys? That is spiny an eater. It looks like a porcupine with

like kind of a longer nose. Yeah. So they have one one hole to do their business with and one hole to lay their eggs with, which is also business. I guess you're right, and that is very much bird like. But like I said, the eye structure is more reptilian. So you said the eggs were leathery, that's pretty reptilian. Yeah, they're just all over the map. It gets even stranger than that that. What else we go let's let's look a little deeper on that duck bill. There's tiny little pores. Right.

For a long time, scientists were like, how we know that these things when they dive, their bottom feeders, they feed on shellfish, insects, things that live along the muck of the bottom of the river. Um, we know that they close their eyes and they close their nostrils when they dive, So how are they locating food? And they figured out that there's tiny little holes on their duck bill that um have electro receptors in them, just like a shark. Yeah. Like I think we've talked multiple times

about the nose of a shark. That's why you punch the shark in the nose, and that's how they feed is because that will disrupt their their brain if you give them a good sock in those electrical receptors. And yeah, and it's very similar this. Um. They they sense movement through these receptors and they're blind to everything, and this

is how they find the shell fish and all that stuff. Yeah, these receptors are so sensitive that even just the tiny movement of an insect's leg, the change in the electrical current in the water that that produces their electro receptors pick up. That's how they go eat, and they get a scoop ful of food and they kind of pocket it in their cheek for a little while until they

come back up. And then once they do, they use a bit of the grit on the river bottom to help with their teeth plates or whatever you call it, to grind the food downs. Well, their their horny plates are aided with gravel. Yeah, Ok, then they choose. So all right, we're starting to get kind of a handle on this thing, right, So that's got to be the last weird thing, right, it is not we we've already mentioned it. But they produce venom. They're one of only

three types of mammals that produce vendom. So think about this. You've got the kidness, the spiny anneater. It's the only other monitoring but it doesn't have a duck bill. It doesn't play because it doesn't do all this other weird stuff. You've got a certain kind of shrew and selinodones dons. Uh they are. They produce phantom, right, but they also don't have duck bills. They also don't have a lecture. A senters duck built Platypuses are the strangest, hands down

animal around. Hodgepods is the best way to describe them. They are a hodgepods and they straddle all these different um different classes. And in the end, I saw an interview with one lady who had worked on the genome project, which we'll get to, and she was like, when you're talking genetics like this, she was like, weird is good. She's like, this is awesome for us because it shows uh.

I think she called it um informative variation. And so if you learn about all these weird things that a platypus has and it's in its genetic code, it can help fill in because we're mammals too, some of the stuff that we may not know about and ways that

we are different and similar. It just helps inform you know, everything basically all there with a little genome of the platypus, right, And actually not only the differences are good, but also any similarities between us and them also shows well, this is a very very ancient trait since they branched off of mammals a hundred and sixty six million years ago. Like you have any venomous stabber in your heel, right now. I try not to use it sometimes, you know, it's

it's easier to just not use than other times. But yes, I do well, and they actually do. They have venom, and I think it's that just the males have that spur on the hind foot. Yeah, and they mostly produce the venom during spring, which is why they think that it's probably used to fight with other males. They live solitary. Yeah, that would make sense because the females are born with one and it falls off, so they wouldn't need one

for that. Yeah, and then so males will fight with one another, four females mate and then take off, and then that's that. Like everybody's kind of lives on their own over like a set amount of territory as a platypus. Right, But that that venom doesn't kill other platypus is, but it could kill a dog and it has before. Yeah, I'm surprised it doesn't kill another platypus. They might have some resistance, that's what I think. Yeah, it's got to

because they're smaller than most dogs exactly. Um, it hasn't ever killed a human, but humans have been known to get stung by these things, and brother. Does it hurt? And the reason it hurts is because it is a mammalian venom and we have no known cure or treatment for the pain caused by that. So if you are stung by one of them, you are totally on your own as far as pain management goes. There's nothing that can be done. You're just sitting there in agony for

like a week or two until it works itself out. Yeah. I think it's supposed to suck pretty bad, like swelling and just lots of pain, right, And like you said, if there's nothing that can be done, you just ride around and curse the platypus, I guess. And that's why you hold them by the tail too. By the way, if you ever got to grab a platypus, grab him by the tail because they don't mind. Yeah, and they can't well yeah, but a possum doesn't have a spur

in the No. But they'll bite you, Oh man, they will. They're mean. I don't know if that's true actually, but they hiss. Oh no, they're real means, are they. Yeah, they'll try to bite you. They'll try to curl up. If you hold the end of their tail, they'll curl themselves up trying to get to your wrist, which you really can't blame them. They're trying to get you to let them go. But yeah, they'll bite you. They'll they'll kill you in your whole family if you'd let them.

I remember I was actually one of my first dates with my high school girlfriend. We know, it may have been my first date. Actually I walked her back up to the front porch at the end of the night and it was that, you know, it's like something on Norman Rockwell, like, all right, I'm gonna get that first kiss.

We walked up on the porch and it was probably like four by four or small, and there was a freaking possum up there that got stuck like trying to get out, and was just we were sharing this very small space with this bowesome like hissing at us and screaming at us, and it made for a very memorable into the evening. I'm sure. And I don't think I got the kissing. I know. I thought, you're gonna say her dad came out to meet you, and he turned

out to be a giant post them that didn't happen. Um, what else we were talking about the Platypus Genome Project. Do you sound like you know more about that than me. Well, they did this, um a hundred scientists got together in two thousand eight and said, you know what, if we can figure this thing out, maybe we can help inform our own, you know, human species. And uh. One thing they did found out is that we have two chromosomes.

We have a pair if your female give me xx if you're male gam x y. Birds have ZW for female zz for male. Platypuses have is the platypuses, Yeah, okay, they have ten chromosomes, sex chromosomes, and they don't know why.

It's that complicated. So females have ten xs and males have x y x y x y x y x y. And the deal is they're similar birds in that their X one chromosome has eleven genes that are found in almo million X chromosomes, but their X five gene carries something called d MRT one, and that's found on the Z chromosomes of birds. So they sort of share these sex chromosomes with regular mammals and birds. But they have

ten sets of them. I'm not tin sets, five sets, and they're superfluous like there's no reason for them to have this. They haven't figured it out yet, huh. And they're still working on that, I guess. But that was

definitely like an interesting find. And they're they're eighty percent mammal or they share eighty percent of their DNA with mammals, right, So that means if they also share some with birds and they branched off of mammals a hundred and sixty six million years ago and went off on their own, then um, that would mean that we're we possibly are

descended from birds as well. Yeah, it definitely writes that question. Um. And my other question is this like the venom, Like it's very similar in composition to reptile venom even though it's mammalian produced. But they figured out from the Platypus Genome project that it came up independently. Yeah, they didn't

get it from like a reptilian ancestor. So it almost like the platypus is almost like this idea that nature has a finite number of tools and its tool kit to handle things like reproduction, defense, whatever, and the platypus represents like all these things just kind of evolving independently on its own. After it branched off a hundred and sixty six million years ago. It's pretty neat. Yeah, I mean it's maybe the platypus there in lines the key to it all. Who knows, I sincerely hope not. It's

a very strange creature. Well, at the very least, it's it could help us locate and identify new genes and then sequences that could turn those genes on and off in us and uh yes, supposedly ovarian cancer there's some DNA and varying cancer tumors that's found in platypus sex chromosomes. So who knows that? That was as far as they got in what I read. They just discovered that, so they didn't know what to do with it yet. Yeah.

I think this was a great like load up on this one people for your next cocktail party, because everyone's like, yea, yeah, I get it. They got referring, they got a duck bill, but you can hit him with a bunch of more cool stuff. Yeah, like, oh yeah, what about the spur in the heel? Yeah? What about these chromosomes? How do you like them? Apples? Like the apples? Put that in your pipe and smoking, right, So that's it. For platypus is for now until they find some other weird thing

about it, right, yeah, yeah, do you got anything else? Um? If you want to learn more about platypus is just type duck bill into the search bar at how stuff works dot com. It will bring up this amazing article. Um. And actually no, this article is written by Conger how stuff Works Ryer, it's on animal Planet. To check out animal planet dot com and try searching for duck Bill platypus. Very cool. And and now it's time for listener mal right, great,

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