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Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh, and there's Chuck And this is another edition of Stuff you Should Know is ongoing low key true crime. Sweet.
Yeah, it's been a while, if you.
Like, I'm trying to think of the last one, but yeah, I mean clearly it has been if I can't think of the last one, but yeah, I like it every once in a while. I was just kind of add to it. And it's just this kind of thing because they're interesting, especially if you're not looking at them like a total gawker, you know.
Agreed.
So we're talking today about what I hadn't heard of. Let me ask you this before we get started. Yeah, did you get your idea from People Magazine? No? Because People Magazine ran an article on this very murder on June twenty sixth, twenty twenty five.
Oh really, Yes, Like, where did you get this idea?
Well, I know it wasn't People, because you know, I just I didn't read People. I'm not against it. If I'm like, you know, waiting for the doctor or something, Well.
You're really digging yourself into a hole. Here.
I'll pick up a People magazine. That's fine.
I'm wondering now if this was a listener suggestion that I need to look up.
I searched it and I did not really anything about it. That's why I was like, holy cow, People magazine. He really got it from there.
I don't know.
Maybe, I mean sometimes I might go so low as to search for, you know, unsolved crimes or something.
I don't know.
Sure, there's nothing wrong with that. That my ideas well. The crazy thing about this is it's I've seen it described as like the first truly sensationalized trial of the century in the United States, or that it was like their first big trial of the century, something like that, and I was definitely up there. I've seen it compare with some other ones. Yeah, that came later closely on the heels. But I never heard any of this. I've
never heard of any of these people. And yet some other people say, hey, this might have even inspired the Great Gatsby in some ways.
I have a feeling that's how it came to me.
And now I'm wondering if that was the search term that I should have used for listener's suggestion.
Oh Great Gatsby, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I didn't search for that either. Well, well, I have to get to the bottom of this, like a couple of true detectives.
Now, because you feel like we're letting someone down.
Yeah, we probably are, but we do need to get their name. But I wonder if if this thing is sent post June twenty six, twenty twenty five. Bet they got it from People, Okay, because the People magazine article, like in the headline it said that it inspired the Great Gatsby.
Yeah, I mean, I definitely remember. That's what drew my attention to it. But if you're trying to root me out as a People Magazine reader, you're going to fail.
I'm not going to stop. I'm not going to stop until i'm successful. So just look out, buddy, because you're my crosschairs. Now.
Who knows.
So let's talk about this crime. In short, there was a reverend, well known reverend in New Brunswick, New Jersey, home of Rutgers, and this reverend was having an affair with one of his church members, a woman named Eleanor Mills.
The reverend's name was Edward Hall. He was about seven years her senior from what I understand, and one night or one morning, I should say, they turned up murdered, brutally murdered, and it became, like I said, a very sensational story, not just in New Brunswick, not just in nearby New York, but everywhere across the country. I would guess, probably out of the country as well. Who knows, how would you find something like that out I.
Don't know, People magazine probably, yeah, probably in People International. So yeah, Ed Hall was in his early forties, forty one years old at the time of his death, and he was a pastor, like you said, at Saint John's Episcopal.
About twenty miles from where I lived in New Jersey. Oh yeah, yeah, that's right.
And his wife's name was Francis Hall. She was seven years older than him, interestingly, because I guess his mistress, Eleanor Mills, was seven years younger.
Anything to that, I think it's just a fluke of nature. Yeah, I think so too. But and this is kind of key here.
She his wife had come from a you know, it seems like a pretty wealthy, well to do, well connected family in the area because he was just a pastor, and you know, they didn't make a lot of dough. Yet they lived in a really fancy house they had a chauffeur, they had a staff, they had maids that work there, which will come into play in this story. And they had been married about eleven years. His miss Dress,
who was also brutally murdered. She was a homemaker, married to a school janitor named James, who also kind of helped take care of the church. They had a couple of kids. She sang in the choir, and this is also key. She acted as sort of a very close personal assistant to the reverend, like very closely assisted him, if you know what I'm saying.
Yeah, I do know what you're saying. So one other thing about Edward Hall and his wife Francis's fortune. He apparently, when he first got to take over the church, the Saint John's Episcopal Church, it was a hostel takeover. He started courting a lovely parishioner, but she didn't really have any money. He dropped her and put his sights on
Francis Stevens, who would become Francis Hall his wife. And from what I've read, there's not a lot of note, or there wasn't a lot of note about Francis Stevens aside from her wealth, and she was wealthy. She shared what would be worth today a forty million dollar fortune between herself and her two other brothers, So she was definitely wealthy, and so in addition to running around on her, he also seemed to just have been after her money.
And let's not forget he's an episcopal reverend leading an entire church. So that to me, when I put all those things together, I was like, I don't really like this guy.
Yeah, yeah, fair enough. So it was not a secret among the church. You know, it's kind of one of those things, you know, back in nineteen twenty two where people might it might have been pretty clear and even probably in a modern day church that somebody was having an affair, but you didn't really talk about that kind of thing, and so it was basically an open secret. After you know, the sermons and after Sunday would end, they would spend
a lot of time together in his study. Apparently they would leave love notes, and that will come into playing the story for each other with a little secret system where they would put it in a book on his shelf and trade notes that way. Well, do you think it was the Great gatsty just.
They traveled in time?
They did the day that the news broke though, The New York's Time, The New York Times came out and said, and this is how they would have to put this kind of thing back then, they said they had long been friendly.
Right, so yeah, like you said, this is an open secret. Apparently their spouses knew. James Mills and Francis Hall both seemed to have known about the affair. For one, when they turned up missing that first day. Apparently, Francis Hall the first time she spoke to James Mill, her husband's mistress's husband, James said, do you think they eloped? That was his response when he found out that they were
both missing. And apparently, also this is important too, Francis Hall had a informal network of spies among the congregation who kept tabs on those two and informed her of their doing. Essentially, so both of them knew full well what was going on.
Right, they knew, but they didn't project that publicly. Publicly they both said, like my head didn't know this was going on. And as we'll see later in court, she even testified that you know, her marriage was perfect and those these supposed love notes are fake and they were not having an affair.
No, for sure, I think her first public response was go wois So.
On the day of the murder, this was Thursday, September fourteenth, they each you know, left their respective houses, and another couple reported to seeing them meeting up on a bridge nearby. And then a couple of days later another couple came forward. This woman named well woman, she was fifteen years old. She was a young girl named Pearl Bomber. Yet she was in a relationship because this was in nineteen twenty two with a guy who was anywhere from nineteen to
twenty three who can tell. His name was Raymond Schneider. They came upon the bodies a couple of days later on Old Philip Swarm. This is the other side of the Raritan River there, and this is about ten thirty in the morning. They went to the closest house, had the owner called the cops, and the cops showed up pretty quickly.
Yeah, the bodies. They it was pretty disturbing. So they'd been left on a path off of Derusi's Lane. This is a dure road I think in Somerset County, and it was a well known lover's lane. Like this is the kind of time where you had to go out to a lover's lane to either have an affair or have premarital sex or both. This is where their bodies
were found, on a path off of this lover's lane. Right, Yeah, a reverend Hall had been shot once through the temple and exited the opposite temple and that was it for him. But Eleanor Mills, his mistress, she had really been worked over.
Right, Yeah, she was shot three times in the head and her neck was cut so severely that she was close to being decapitated. His shot was point blank, sort of you know what we'd call execution style, with a thirty two caliber pistol.
And the bodies were posed.
Together after that, they were under a crab apple tree, kind of posed as cuddling lovers. Her head was placed on his arm, not you know, separate from her body, just laid against him, and a scarf was draped over her cutthroat, and he had a hat, a Panama hat kind of partially covering his space. So, you know, from twenty yards away or whatever, looked like a couple just sort of laying there, cuddling, maybe taking a nap under a tree.
Yeah, So that's how they were found. But apparently as Pearl and Raymond were coming upon them, they saw very quickly that they were dead. There was one other thing that wasn't noted at the time when the bodies were found in nineteen twenty two, but it would be noted when the case was reignited four years later in nineteen twenty six, that that Eleanor mills tongue and vocal cords had been cut out and removed. That had been missed in the first autopsy, but a subsequent optopsy found that.
So this was the state that these bodies were found in. I think also, the Reverend Hall's business card was found propped up against his foot. I think that's the only other thing we left out. Oh no, there's one other thing. This is really important too. This is the clue to me. You ready, Chuck, I'm ready. There were love letters that Eleanor Mills had written to Edward Hall, the Reverend Hall, and they had been placed all around them. So this
was a highly staged crime scene. Not just the bodies were staged, but there were actual props involved among an executed and a mutilated body left out in public, essentially to be found almost immediately after they were killed.
Yeah, I mean the business card almost feels like, hey, if anyone stumbles upon this, who's not from around here?
This is who this is?
Right? You know, yeah for sure?
Like what else could that be?
I don't know. I mean they're sending some sort of message. If that's not that, there's something else that they're sending, Like that's a that's pretty in your face, you know.
Yeah, for sure. So the bodies were found locals. You know, word gets around a little bit, locals starts showing up. Then once the new newspapers get a hold of it, like you said.
Earlier, it became a big deal. And I guess this was such a.
Sensational thing at a time where this kind of thing didn't happen much that like people really started coming to this town to like just see what happened. They wanted to walk on the grounds of that road and near that farm, and they wanted to like literally take pieces of that tree and dig up dirt around there as a keepsake.
Apparently, they said.
You know, they were showing up at a rate of a thousand cars a day. Sounds a little overblown, maybe, mm hmm. But there were like vendors selling popcorn and balloons and you know, the dirt they were selling for twenty five cents a bag. It was really out of hand very quickly.
You don't. It reminded me of was like the circus atmosphere that grew up when Floyd Collins was trapped in sand Cave. Yeah, around it was around the same time, so people were.
Just looking for something.
Yeah, pretty bored apparently. Yeah, so yeah, it was a big deal. There was a huge problem with all of those people showing up combined with incompetent an incompetent police investigation, and that was that these people trod all over the crime scene. They apparently messed with the scarf, they took samples from the tree. Apparently the tree was stripped of everything except its trunk. After everyone was done with it.
There's the guy selling the dirt. This stuff was really important, Like, for example, the dirt was important because that's how they would establish whether those two had been murdered in the spot they were found in or somewhere else and transport it because the blood they found trickled into the dirt, which is a sure sign that they had had been killed there on the on the spot. But with people stealing dirt from that there goes all of that evidence too,
So the crime scene was completely useless. And this is at a time when people knew, like, no, you really need to preserve crime scenes.
Yeah, for sure, I think that's a good spot for a break a A. All right, Well, since Josh said, ah, we're gonna take a little break and come back with more of this grizzly murder right after this.
All right, so we're back.
When we last left you, Josh was sort of detailing the problems with the crime scene and people trotting about and messing that up, and you mentioned something about the police work wasn't so good. One of the issues was and this is something it seems like it happens a lot, if you believe TV and movies at least, is that there were various jurisdictions kind of battling for this case.
They lived in Middlesex County, the old Phillips farm was in Somerset County, like you mentioned, and initially, like you said, they didn't even know where their murders took place. They later found out that they were alive when they got to the farm, so they finally found that out. But at the beginning, you had Middlesex County in Somerset County, both saying like, no, this is my case.
This is my case.
And for a while, it seems like for a pretty great while they had two sort of separate investigations going on, which never, at least in the movies, seems to be a good idea.
No, not at all. Apparently the governor had to get involved and be like, you guys need to join forces, and they eventually did. But I mean, this is this happened for I don't know exactly how long, but long enough for it to be significant enough to mention, and this is a really important time during an investigation, the first several hours forty eight.
You might even say, yeah, that's what they say.
So there was a statement that was issued that Missus Hall issued essentially to back up a theory that had
been posed that this was a robbery. There was a robbery gone wrong, and a woman named Sally Peters acted as Missus Hall's spokeswoman apparently for most of this time because Missus Hall didn't really want to be seen in public, so a good friends stepped up and essentially they pointed out that Missus Hall's husband, the Reverend Hall, he walked around with the gold watch and in his wallet he typically carried about fifty dollars, just like one thousand dollars today.
That's what he walked around adjusts.
One thousand dollars of cash in their wallet.
A guy who marries a woman for her money and then runs around on her almost publicly. Yeah, probably so, And that those things were missing when they were found, So they had been robbed, right, But the question was was that really the motive behind this murder where Eleanor Mills's throat had been cut to the backbone and they've been staged in some really weird ways.
Right, Yeah, for sure.
So this is the Middlesex assistant prosecutor at first, because again they were conducting separate investigations. This guy's name was John Chulan, and he came out and said, hey, wait a minute. Basically, I mean he couldn't come right out and accused her, but he was basically like, hey, there's no information to back this up. Kind of listen to our statements and maybe not the ones from the deceased family.
I'm sure he had to couch that because she was from a wealthy family, but he basically said, hey, there's no evidence to back this up, and we think that and this to me is a little hinky, but he said, if it was a robber, he wouldn't have been using a thirty two. He would have been using a larger caliber, which to me doesn't really make much sense.
He would have been using a forty four magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world. Do you feel lucky. So there was another theory too that I hadn't heard of, but kind of makes sense. Apparently the Klan had recently become highly active in the area around that time, and they were known for severely punishing moral transgressions like affairs.
Yeah, but not their own, no.
Of course, not so if they had come upon or had targeted these two, because I mean, if this was an open secret and this guy's a prominent member of the community, they could have been a target for the Klan to punish somebody like that. So that was a decent theory, but it didn't really go too far, at least at first.
Yeah, for sure, And we mentioned this next one just because it was has been mentioned, but it really also went nowhere. But very briefly, there were apparently there were two Italians who had showed up in New Brunswick and.
They had revolvers.
Like that was known that there were these two Italian guys who no one knew and they had guns. But that was just a very quick sort of They had nothing to do with the kind of deal.
For sure. That's just what you did in nineteen twenty two when somebody turned up murdered. How many Italians came into town?
Yeah, exactly.
So the cops were like, okay, like we can't possibly like train our sights on on the wealthy widow and her family. Let's see who else we can blame to just basically make the public, let us make this go away, right. Yeah, they were just looking for somebody to pin it on, and they turned their attention to the two people, Pearl Balmber and ra Schneider, who had run over to a farmhouse and told a woman we just found some bodies. Called the police. Right when they found the bodies. They
were like, that seems a little fishy. We're going to start looking at you guys, because you're probably just providing grown alibis who would possibly call in finding the bodies of a murder they just committed.
Yeah, for sure.
So they discovered like hey, they were also on the farm that night, because this was remember two days later in the morning when they called it in, but they said, hey, they were also there that night. A couple of weeks after that, those two and then a couple of other friends of theirs that were also with them that night, a guy named Clifford Hayes and a fifteen year old
kid named Leon Kaufman. They were all four brought in for what sounds like a straight twenty four hours of questioning, which is always very suspicious, you know, when you try and get someone to their weakest point. So they signed some weird false confession. So they wore them out questioning for a full.
Day and night.
And at the end of this Ray Schneider, the original guy who reported it with his young girlfriend, signed a statement that said, hey, around midnight that night, me and Clifford Hayes, my buddy, came across a couple of people.
Sitting on the ground near that farmhouse.
I thought it was my girlfriend and her father, and I had been looking for her. I was pretty jealous, and so Hayes shot both of them, and it sounds like it might have been like a favor to him. None of this really adds up, because it wasn't like he had found her with some other guy and he was angry and his friends like, I'll get even for you. None of this really makes much sense to me at least.
Well though only thing I saw was that I saw somewhere somebody said that they believed that Pearl was being molested by her father. That still doesn't make sense why she would be shot as well.
Yeah, I mean it's all very hinky, but Raych Schneider basically in the statement at least said we realized it was not them. We ran away, and so my girlfriend and this other kid, Leon Kaufman also said, yeah, you know, parts of this are true. And Schneider did have a gun. He also had a pocket knife, and so in the end they arrested Clifford Hayes and charged him with the murderers.
They did, and immediately the press, who was really paying attention to this and the public who were reading these stories were like, are you guys dumb? Like are you kidding? This is who you've come up with? There was it didn't take into account again, so does that mean that Clifford Hayes, after his friend Rach Schneider ran off his friend who he'd taken it upon himself to execute the man's girlfriend and her father. Yeah, that he went over and was like, well, I better almost cut this woman's
head off and see these bodies like this. But every single theory is just dumb because they can't take into account the most important clue in this whole, this whole murder letters case, the love letters.
Yeah.
How would this guy, Clifford Hayes have any access to the love letters between those two from Mills to Hall? How would they have had access to that? How would the clan have had access to that? How would somebody who was robbing them and the robbery went wrong, how would they have access to that? Those are the clues so much so that I'm quite certain that the people who killed this this couple were like, oh that was so stupid afterward, like why did they put the letters down?
They luckily got away with it, But that was to me, that's just that's there you go, there's your answer right there.
Yeah, yeah, totally.
I mean, it's all just so fishy and ludicrous that they arrested this kid. So the you know, those real backlash back then, even like you said, everybody like no, one really believed what was going on, and the story had all these holes in it. There were a couple of other like sort of weird details that came out of the subplot that didn't really lend itself to solving it.
But the press basically uncovered some stuff that Schneider who was dating, you know, the fifteen year old Pearl, he was actually married Clifford Hayes, who they arrested for the murder. Supposedly he had dated Pearl at one point. But you know, again, none of this made any kind of sense at all. Within a few days, Ray Schneider was like, oh, yeah, you know what, that's not true. So they sentenced him to a term in a reformatory for making false statements.
And then young Pearl was sent to the House of the Good Shepherd for Wayward Girls in Newark, which I'm sure was.
Just a great place. I'm sure too sarcasm, Yeah, for sure. And then Ray Schneider being sentenced for his false statement. So he had a coerced state beaten out of him, and then he gets sentenced for giving it.
Yeah, oh was he beaten.
I'm sure he was. We're talking nineteen twenty two, and the police are trying to get a confession over a twenty four hour period of questioning out of this guy who signs a false confession.
I would say, I just want to make sure no family members of those cops comes forward and soues you for sure.
But you saw as well as I did in People magazine that they said it too.
All right, shall we go on or shall we take another break? Maybe go on a little more.
Yeah, let's go on a little more.
All right, take it away, Okay.
So finally, the public it's just the police who are studiously avoiding looking at Francis Hall, her two brothers, and eventually her cousin, all of whom would be implicated in this crime. It was just the cops and the prosecutors who were trying not to look at them. The rest of the public was like, I'm pretty sure we have we know who did this. Why don't you start looking at them? And eventually the public pressure about it. Couldn't
couldn't just be ignored. So the cops finally started looking at missus Hall, and they brought it in for questioning once. Apparently it was a very gentle line of questioning. They were very deferential, very naturally people also started looking at James Mills. He was the other jilted lover in this In this case, he had a pretty good alibi. Apparently either one of his hobbies or his side gig was woodworking.
He was seen around the time of the murders at home and then for the next couple hours during the time when these this pair was definitely murdered, So he he had a pretty good aliby. Multiple neighbors saying, yeah he was. He was at home woodworking at the time.
Yeah, And that's in the in the TV show when they're at the end when they were accounting how it was done.
This is when you see the shot of like the buzzsall going in an empty room.
Right, it's like a mannequin rigged.
Like pushing it so it actually sounds like it's cutting.
That's right. That's like the nineteen twenty two version of somebody pre recording the security camera footage so that you can't see what they're doing when they commit the crime.
That's right. The data is somehow scrambled.
Yeah, but I'll tell you what, even that couldn't fool Jessica Fletcher. There's at least one episode where that was used, he was that again, I murder? She wrote, that's right. Oh you want to hear something awful? Sure, So I was watching Murder, she wrote on over the air antenna to be expected. There's a lot of ads, and they're usually pretty crummy ads. Yeah, but remember I was complaining
about that stupid Burger King adh. Oh yeah, well I finally moved away from the over the air antenna viewing and just started watching I think on Amazon.
I love that you you joined the twenty first century.
Exactly, but the uh the For a while, I was like, great, I left the Burger King ad behind. Nope, it very recently popped up again on Ama.
I haven't heard it in a while.
I'm not gonna I'm not going to recount it for you.
Well, I'll tell you what I'm not doing is watching murder, she wrote. If that's the trigger, yeah, it's pretty bad.
But that's how much I like murder, she wrote, I'm willing to suck it up. You know, Jessica bet your solving crimes. That's pretty catchy.
Yeah yeah, all right, so where were we?
They started looking at missus Hall. She didn't have an alibi. It turns out.
That's right, So they brought her in, like you said, for some pretty gentle questioning. She said that on Friday morning she was worried because her husband wasn't home, so she got together with her brother Willie, and they started looking for him. They visited the church at first to look for him, and then later they went to her house, well not her house, but the victim's house. They went to the Mills house. Nobody was there either, and they said, yeah.
Initially they said, we went there because, you know, we thought he might have been visiting with someone who was ill. And then later on that story changed to, oh, no, we went by there because we knew that the church keys were there as well. So her story is already changing out of the gate.
Yeah. And I mean, if an entire prosecutors offices office times two, two different counties, prosecutors and police departments are being deferential to you and not investigating you because you're wealthy, at least have the decency to keep your story straight to not make them look that ridiculous.
Right, Yeah, agreed.
The upshot is this, Missus Hall's alibi is her brother Willie, who lived with Missus Hall and Reverend Hall, and he was a suspect too, So if your alibi is another suspect, that's not a very good alibi. And they were also they were also prowling around about two thirty am, and no one could corroborate that they were out looking for Reverend Hall at two thirty am, about the time the murders took place exactly.
So again she was still insistent that they had a great marriage. These love letters are fake. The cops start sniffing her other brother off the case, who doesn't live with them.
This guy's name was.
Henry, and he was like, no, no, I got an alibi. I was fishing in Lavallette. It's about fifty miles away. There's no way I could have been there. And you know what, I was even fishing with the mayor of Lavalette. And the mayor stepped forward and said, correct, So.
He's holding a briefcase with money coming out of the seams.
So he has an alibi, like a stated alibi. I'm not sure if that's the legal term. But I didn't see that there was any other other like proof that he was out fishing. But he said I was fishing, and there was a witness with me. There were a few witnesses, and it seems like the key witness to this all is the woman who actually witnessed the murder, as it turns out.
Yeah, a woman named Jane Gibson who would come to be known as the pig woman. That's just what the press called her across the board, because she was a pig farmer in the area of the road where the bodies were found. Yeah, and she had cause to be awake at two thirty am. Apparently there have been some thefts of her crops, probably cops who'd come and try to snatch her crops, and so she was awake, waiting
essentially for the thieves to come back. She said that while she was lying in wait, she heard a sound. She went to investigate, and that she saw Missus Hall, her two brothers, and Missus Hall's cousin Henry another Henry carrying out these murders.
Yeah, like she said, I saw this happen. But the prosecutors are like nah, her story keeps kind of changing too, and they all have Alibis stated Alibis. So a grand jury convenes in November of that year, Like, what should we do here about indicting this family? And I say we tackle that question or answer rather right after another break eh satisfaction.
So chuck where we left off. He had said that a grand jury had been convened, right, that's right. And it turned out that the grand jury, I think they took five days before they said nope, we're not going to hand on any indictments. So it seemed that the probably the likeliest suspects, Francis Hall, her two brothers, and her cousin were now off the hook. And we should say also one of the things about her brother that's going to come into play. One of her brothers, Willie.
He lived at home, like we said, with the Reverend Hall and missus Hall. And the reason why it seems is because he was at least understood at the time, is kind of slow, as they would put it. Sometimes you see in modern retellings of it that he's considered developmentally disabled. That does not seem to be the case. It seems like he probably was neurodiverse in some way, shape or form. But he was also quite sharp too. He was known to read books on metallurgy. He was
quite sociable. He would be high functioning you would say today, but at the time he seemed to be if this was a group of murderers, as family murderers, he would be targeted as like the weak link that you would go after. But regardless, it didn't matter because nineteen twenty two went out with these four let off the hook because the grand jury didn't indict. How about that?
That's right?
And right out after that happened, the good missus Hall left for Italy. So nothing at all suspicious about that. I think you're not getting on a plane to Europe.
I think you can make a case either way that you know. I just wanted to get away from the whole thing too.
I said, plan would that have been a just a notion liner at the time, Okay, wait to go, so savory emails everybody.
I'm speaking of the Martyn parlance. So in December.
They said, basically, you know, now that all the all the Gulkers are out of here and all the attentions dying down, we can get down some real investigating and figure out who did this. A year later, the New York Times followed up on the anniversary. We're like, yeah, so you got down the business, what'd you find out? And they're like, oh, what.
No progress? Whatsoever?
It?
Right? Yeah, So that's how it went for four more years, and then out of nowhere, in a completely unrelated divorce case, the husband of a woman named Louise Geist, who had been a maid at the Hall's home during the time of the murders. In the divorce proceedings he was assassinating his ex wife seemed to be ex wife's character, saying that she had been involved in the Hall Mills murder and had been paid five thousand smackeroos to be to keep quiet by Missus Hall and her brothers. Yeah, and
that she knew all about it. And somehow, I guess that got out to the press, and William Randolph Hearst Daily Mirror assigned a reporter to look back into the case, and it just blew it right back onto the front pages of papers across the country.
Yeah, such that the state of New Jersey could no longer just keep ignoring this.
So Governor A.
Harry Moore said, oh God, all right, let's reopen this case.
Exactly at this.
Point, the grand jury does come back and indict Francis Hall, her brothers, William Henry, and her cousin Henry. They were all four arrested. Missus Hall for her part, was released on bail fifteen grand. A lot of dough at the time, Yeah, still a lot of dough. I always say that the men were held without bail, and at this point, this is four years later, they don't take care of evidence like they do now. A lot of the evidence was gone, but they did find some new clues. There was another
adulterous couple in the church. There were probably dozens of them, because that's just how that kind.
Of thing goes. But this one other adulter couple.
There was a guy named Ralph Gorsline and a woman named Katherine Rostell, and they were on Lover's Lane that night. A private detective came forward and said, hey, Ralph admitted that he heard these shots and saw I think cousin.
Henry or was this brother Henry?
That was brother Henry?
Okay, brother Henry, who apparently swore him to secrecy. Ralph Gorsline later came out and denied having accused brother Henry, but he did confirm that he and his mistress, Catherine Rastell, had heard these four gunshots, heard some low voices and a woman screaming. And the reason that I didn't come out before was because obviously I didn't want to like
have my affair busted. But in nineteen twenty six, four years later, she had talked, his mistress had talked, so he was like, well, I guess the cat's out of the bag, so I'm gonna say what happened too. And his wife said, great, let's get a divorce.
Yeah. And again he had gone to this private detective in nineteen twenty two because his conscience had gotten to him. But I think he was basically saying he was saying all the stuff that he eventually said in nineteen twenty six to get the detective to go to the cops and say, hey, this anonymous source did this, But it didn't pan out like that. But nineteen twenty six, they
were just uncovering stuff left and right. Remember I said that they exhumed Missus Mills and did another autopsy and that's when they found that her tongue in vocal cords had been caught out. So like, this was a serious investigation that was launched again in nineteen twenty six, probably a lot more serious than the one that was carried out in nineteen twenty two. And another clue that turned up or another source that turned up was a guy
named Paul Hamborskey. He was a minister also in New Brunswick, and he was friendly with Reverend Hall. And Paul Amborski came forward and said, hey, I actually had a conversation with Reverend Hall basically a month before he was murdered, and in it he said that my wife has gotten really cool lately and has turned into a different woman, and quote, I am very much afraid that she will
do me bodily harm. And he explained it was because of this affair, and that he had no intention of giving up Eleanor Mills and that they would probably run off together pretty soon. This was a month before Edward Hall was murdered that a minister came forward and said this is what he said to me.
Yeah, and he also said that her brother Henry threatened me because everyone knew about this affair. And so he comes out with this very you know, sort of key evidence. And right before the nineteen twenty six trial started, this Paul Hamborski guy just sort of disappeared.
He left town.
He didn't disappear like disappeared disappear, but he left town pretty quickly. And there was a state senator named Alexander Simpson, who was acting as special prosecutor for the case, and he said, this Amborski guy's loans dried up at the bank, and the banker said, you've been a fool to get mixed up in this hall's mill case.
The banker was Charles Bronson.
No, that would have been You've been the fool to get mixed up in this hole's middle case.
Very nice. I just said that because I really want to hear you redo it as Charles Bronson.
It's just all dirty dealing basically, Like it's really clear.
Yeah, I mean, this family was more than wealthy and powerful enough to ruin a person, make sure that they didn't have any line of income, or just make life miserable for them to where they did want to just get out of town before they could testify. So this trial happens like they finally have enough evidence that a grand jury this time pretty quickly handed off indictments and so Francis and her two brothers and cousin are indicted
for murder. And right when word got out that they were about to be tried again, all the journalists came back. I saw an estimate that they filed twelve million plus words cumulatively. It wasn't just one guy during the twenty three day trial, that's how many words were written on this. It was everywhere.
Yeah, I mean just just hundreds and hundreds of people all of a sudden in town. And the public of course is like, hey, you know what we care the most about is like reading these love letters, like Josh Clark will when they say that's the key piece of evidence, and like what was in these things? And in one of them? And this is great? Who helped us Livia with this? Yeah, she dug up some of these letters, Darling Wonderheart. I just want to crush you for two hours.
I want to see Friday night alone by our road where we can let out unrestrained, that universe of joy and happiness we call ours. And he signed it DTL for Dinah troyer Liepaba, which is German for thy true lover, and Mills called him Babykins. So this is my only joke about this is I want to see the sitcom Wonderheart and Babykins like very soon on my television.
Do me a favorite? Will you read that quote as Charles Bronson?
Really sure, Darling Wonderhart, I just want to crush you for two hours. I want to see you Friday night alone by our road where we can let out unrestrained that the universe of joy and happiness that we call ours beautiful Chuck, bravo, man, little more sinisters on that.
If it wouldn't make the levels going to the red, I would clap loudly for you right now. So, yes, this is the kind of humiliation that Francis Hall is enduring. She's sitting in court because again she's on trial. People are reading that was just one. They were reading a bunch of different love letters in open court. And there were more witnesses that came forward. There were like they were poking holes in people's alibis from the year back.
So they brought a new witnesses to undermine the truthfulness of their original witnesses, and so and so on and so forth. And the maid Louise Geist, she was brought to the stand and she said, no, my ex husband's a big fat liar. But I'll tell you what. Willie, who lived with the Halls and whose servant I was as well, he told me the day after the murder, but the day before the bodies were discovered that something
terrible happened last night. So Willy shouldn't have known anything about something terrible happening last night, unless it was that his sister had lost it solitaire, which was the one alibi that Louise Geist could give Francis Hall for that night. Solitaire. Yeah, it was her alibi.
So was this Louise Geist was involved and probably got paid off, and she was trying to just pin it on Willie. This possibly neurodivergent, you know, younger brother.
That certainly seems the case to me.
Yes, okay, I mean that's how I took it.
That's pretty that's pretty whole scratch that her ex husband comes up with in divorce court, you know. Yeah. So again though, the star witness was Jane Gibson, the pig woman, right.
Yeah, yeah, she and this is super dramatic. She came forward, she was in late stages of cancer and they brought her in on a stretcher into court. She's speaking in a whisper basically like just hanging in there to get this testimony out. So her story was after nine o'clock on that day, her dog started barking again.
She was worried about thieves stealing her crops.
So she gets on her old ginny, rides out to the field, sees people fighting under that crab apple tree.
Here's a woman yell, don't don't, don't Henry. She hears a shot, a gunshot, saw one of the men fall. She flees.
She gets the heck out of there, of course, and then on her way out of there, like running, she hears a woman screaming again.
Three more gunshots.
And they were like, can you point out are those people in the courtroom today basically, and she said yes, and she pointed at missus Hall, her two brothers and her cousin, and they said, oh, well, you know what, she's the big lady, like, don't believe what she says.
Basically, well, supposedly her own mother. Jing Gibson's own mother was in the in the courtroom, apparently wringing her handkerchief, watching her daughter give testimony, saying she's lying, she's lying, so she people didn't put much stock into Jene Gibson's testimony.
Maybe she said she's dying.
May maybe so well, this is essentially the prosecution's case. They presented Jane Gibson again. She basically said, I saw those four murder these two people, at least in silhouette, and then I saw the four clearly. Then it was time for the accused to start taking the stand. And apparently Missus Hall was so composed during her time on the stand giving testimony that the papers dubbed her the
iron widow. Yeah, and she still said, I never suspected my husband of infidelity, and I was really nervous when he disappeared. That's why my brother and I went out that very night to look for him. And again, she's in part probably saving face, but now at this point she's trying to not give anyone a motive that she might have had for killing him, which would clearly be in such a passionate murder something like infidelity, right.
Yeah, for sure.
But despite her, I think everybody kind of expected her to be good on the stand. You remember I said that they had kind of suppose that Willy was going to be the weak link. The prosecutors were just chomping at the bit to get to him. They were just gonna work him over on the stand. And apparently Willy held his own like nobody's business and did so well on the stand that essentially he got himself and his siblings and cousin Off. That's how well he did on
the stand. He was the one who basically got him acquitted.
Yeah, so there it is. They got acquitted on December third, nineteen twenty six. After that, the defendants minus brother Henry, sued.
The Mirror for libel.
It was settled out of court, and we don't know how much money was exchange hands, if any. Seems like there probably was some, and it was never brought to trial again. It never came before a criminal court again. Missus Hall went, you know, back to doing her things. She's doing charity work at the church, did not you know,
aside from that, didn't really socialize. A lot died in nineteen forty two, and you know, we look back now, is like it seems fairly obvious to us what happened, even though famous civil rights attorney William Kunstler wrote a book in nineteen sixty four called The Minister in the Choir Singer, where he supposes that it was the KKK, but there doesn't seem to be a lot of evidence about that at all.
No, he even says this is all circumstantial, and apparently there's no account of anyone actually being murdered when they were punished by the KKK for something like having an affair.
So it's pretty pretty spankings.
Yes, So what about The Great Gatsby, Chuck, We all know that you read that article as well as I did, and.
Right people people wonder if this was, you know, one of the stories that inspired The Great Gatsby.
It was in nineteen twenty two.
I think Gatsby came out in twenty five, so before the actual trial. But f Scott Fitzgerald and Zelda we do know that they followed that case. They were pretty interested in it, and there's a lot of differences, So I mean, I think it may have just been one of those sort of launching off points where yeah, it's like, oh, this is a cool idea, and then just you know, really just went with it in a fictional sense.
Yeah. Well, People magazine pointed out something that I thought was a good connection between the two in the story, the working class woman who's having an affair with I can't remember his name, Gatsby's rival. Her death is essentially like ignored because she's not upper class, she's working class. Yea, the same thing happened to Eleanor Mills, Like her death does not. Aside from the grizzly state of her body, people did not pay much attention to that. It was
all about this wealthy woman and her wealthy husband. And in the end, the wealthy people got to go on with their lives while the dead working class victim is just largely forgotten.
Yeah for sure.
Well that's it for the Hall Mills murder Chuck good pick, however we got it. Also, just want to shout out the Yale Review, Howard Harold Scheckter's article mister local History project, Mary S. Hartman wrote a paper, and then also our Ownlivia who helped us with this too. And since I just rattled lot some sources, as everyone knows, I just triggered listener mail.
This is about smoking.
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Yeah, twenty Lucy's costs fifty eight ninety nine.
I know I saw that, and it's just I'm still astounded by it.
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