SYSK Selects: A Podcast on Zoot Suits? Yes

welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. There's Charles W. Chuckers Bryant. And since two of us are sitting together again and it's not lunchtime, um, it's leg wrestling time. That's true. This means it's a stuff you should know? Right? Yeah, what's up to? How are you? Josh? I'm good. We just got something in today that I want to give a shout out of banks for to our friend Martin van Nostran. Did that come in today today? Okay? He kept emailing us, pestering me has it not come yet?

Like I like, I'm the Postmaster general or something like that. But anyway, He sent us each a T shirt and the new CD of his band. The Bangalore's in Vitro Meat is the name of the album, and it's pretty awesome. I haven't listened to it yet. I just got it, can't wait. He sent us some some songs off of

it already, some previous cuts. Yeah, he was the first person to record a stuff you should know song like in two thousand eight you remember, well, Yeah, and I think he has a toxic plasmosis song on the new one, right he does. Yeah, we've inspired a lot. I think he released a whole album of stuff you should know songs really yeah, and like quick little punk songs to like a minute and a half. So there's like fifty of them. But anyway, thanks a lot to Van Nostrin.

We won't say his real name, but we know it. We do finally, we didn't for a long time. But anyway, if you feel like checking that out, it's um. The Bangalore's like the city in India and the album is in vitro meat. And we'll probably get in trouble for endorsing this, so Chuck, you want to get to it? Yes, have you ever heard of some dumb laws? Yeah? Man, there are some dumb laws in this great land of ours. For example, if I may have prepared a shortlist. In Alabama,

bear wrestling matches are prohibited. It's illegal to sell peanuts in Lee County after sundown on Wednesday. It would be Lee County, Alabama. Did you give a reason for that one? No, there are some This is from I think dumb laws dot com and um. They have like just international laws, state laws, local laws, and then under some of them they have like full text of the law or why this law exists. It's pretty comprehensive sit Um. In Hawaii, coins are not allowed to be placed in one's ears

for spec ending only. Um. All residents may be find as a result of not owning a boat. You're going to Hawaii tomorrow right or a couple of days. I dare you to put a coin in your ear and walk around like I don't own a boat. I don't own a boat. Chumps um back in our fair state of Georgia. To legally use profanity in front of a dead body which lies in a funeral home or in a corner's office, that's respectful. That's a good law. Okay. Um in Ackworth, which is close to Kennesaw, where I

grew up, where you had to own a gun. I didn't know this. In Acworth, all citizens must own a rake. Really yeah, not a blower? A rake? I think a blower. That's kind of like asking a lot of some some of the lower income classes, you know. Um, In Athens on Mondays it's illegal for one to whistle very loudly after eleven pm. What but on Monday's. And then California, of course is going to have some zany lass They

have tons and tons of wacky dumb laws. Animals are banned from mating publicly within feet of a tavern, school or place of worship. That I agree. When women may not drive in a housecoat too, and Fresno, getting drunk in a playground is against the law, that is sound. I don't agree with that one. That's sensible. Uh. And then in Los Angeles it's illegal to wear a zoot suit.

Yeah still still so I bring that up. And I knew chuck with like that last one, because I'm sure there's stories behind almost all of those zany laws, or at least there's some reasoning people don't just make up crazy laws like bear wrestlings. I'm sure, it got out of hand once and now they're just like, that's it. It's illegal. So Chuck and I actually know the reason why zoot suits are illegal in Los Angeles County, California, and we're going to tell you about it today. It's

pretty neat. This little article started off as a bit of a uh a lark. I don't know, but we thought zoot suits. Those are interesting and cool. But it's more than a suit, as it turns out, it really is. It was at least you should probably mention, like, what is a zoot suit, Chuck. Everybody's seen them before. Yeah, back in the nineteen thirties. Uh, they were very much in fashion, especially in uh in uh Latino communities, in

African American communities coast to coast though. Yeah, it seems like uh, Caesar Chavez, Malcolm X, Cab Callaway, big band leaders, the jazz scene in New York all very much associated with zoot suits. Tom Cat from Tom and Jerry, Yeah, who was going after a girl and she said he was a square and was corny and he goes out and gets some a zoot suit and becomes a cool cat, cool cat. Yeah, so you'll know a zoot suit. They were originally worn made of wool and then later rayon.

But you'll know it because they're very distinct. They have very broad, padded shoulders, very long waisted coats. Uh. Suit pants were worn really really high, like up over the belly and uh, we're very tight at the top, then ballooned out like mc hammer style and then tapered back down again at the ankle or were pegged. Oh of course, yeah, that's how you achieved that look. And um, the jackets

exaggerated contours and colors. A lot of times they would wear the big pocket watch chain that went down to their knee and the hat with a feather, and it was shoes, pointy shoes. Sure, um so they if it sounds a lot like um, pimps, seventies pimps. Yeah, where to you? Not too far off? I guess I think you could make an argument that it was a predecessor of that. And in fact, you mentioned Malcolm X favorite

ZOOS suits. I didn't realize this today, but in researching zo suits, Malcolm X used to be called Detroit Red, who was in fact a pimp. Yeah, and he apparently got his education in Harlem and became Malcolm X. Did you not see the movie? No, it was good. From what I remember from the awesome Spike Lee movie was that he was into the zoot scene earlier. And then once he you know, became Malcolm X and uh not, what was his original name, Shabaz? Yes, I believe so

Malcolm Shabaz. So once he became Malcolm X and got serious about the civil rights, he ditched the zoot suit and stuff and a little more traditionally garbed right. Um, another way, So the zoos suit you you just nailed it on the head. You said, the zoos suit scene. It was very much part of a scene, part of the Harlem renaissance. Um. It was part of the pacho scene out in Los Angeles, which we'll talk about. Pacho, Pacho, pachuco, pachuco.

I used, I like slang on top of slang, pacho. Um. And so it was kind of the uniform of this certain kind of scene, apparently the upscale black nightclubs of Harlem. Like if if you saw an African American man walking around where in a zoot suit, you're like, that guy is a high roller and he knows how to get into the good clubs. I thought you were gonna bust

out some Cab Callaway slang. Well, you mentioned Cab Callaway was one of the the people who love zoos suits, and he wrote a dictionary of slang, of jive slang. Thank you. I could not be square if I tried um, And one of the one of the words that he put down was zoot which he says means exaggerated. It turns out that there's a whole lot of mystery surrounding

the origins of zoot suit. But if I may, in Cab Callaway's jive slang, describe what a zoot suit looks like, you did a great job in normal, square, corny terms. But if you want to talk like a hepcat from the jive jump zoot suit era, you would describe it as a killer dealer coat with a drape shape, real pleats and shoulders padded like a lunatic cell. Well, it's interesting that he said drape because originally they were known as drape suits and even advertised as extreme quote extreme

drapes in newspapers. Yeah pretty cool. Yeah, So the zoosus hanging out there, it's kind of weird. Ralph Ellison wrote about UM wrote about it in as an Invisible Man. His novel The Narrator encounters um three young and extravagantly dressed blacks in their zoos suits, and he says that they were the stewards of something uncomfortable. So he's saying, like,

there's just it's almost like it was. It's the same as if you're if you saw a bunch of raid kids wearing like the stupid pants yes in the nineties or whatever, you know, or hip hop kids today, it was this. It was the same thing, except this was much more upscale, right than that. But it was basically lands today. Yeah, that people have trouble walking in, but they're still gotta have that look, you know, right, because

that's what the cool kids do exactly. So this was you could would argue the original American version of counter culture dress agreed, and it grew out of Harlem and was later adopted by um Mexican Americans or Latino Americans in Los Angeles. Yeah, what's this one bit that it could have originated in Gainesville, Georgia? How about that? So yeah, there's a lot of there's some origin stories, right, and yeah, and they're none of them are the same, right, and

they're all very different. No, but I do like that when you're talking about from Gainesville, what is it? Yeah? They a man, a bus driver, I'm sorry, bust worker named Clyde Duncan from New York. Um came back to New York with one and said he bought it in Gainesville, Georgia, And allegedly, uh, he had been inspired by Gone with the Wind and wanted to look like Rhet Butler and so got a Taylor in Gainesville to make him this sing.

I'd like to go with that story. And well, the New York Times put that story forth and they said it basically on it quickly in and um that was the story for many many years until his oriens actually started to put real effort and thought it into the zoot suits. Um, and they found that there It's possibly true, but most likely uh, it came out of either guys like Cab Callaway wearing them or guys like Cab Callaway

copying people in the jazz scene. And then you know it basically going forth like that, asks good m H. Ultimately, it seems that it did come out of this era, whether it was uh, this Clyde Duncan fella who had the idea originally or whatever. You can basically say the Harlem Renaissance. Zoot suits came out of that. And you know, I knew that. I did not know of its associate Asian within the Latino and largely Mexican community. No, but that's where like really started to It switched when it

hit the Latino American community. Before it was just like, I'm wealthy, I can get into good clubs. I'm part of this club scene in Harlem. Um. When it hit Los Angeles and was taken up by the pachos Um Square, Uh, it changed, it transformed, It turned into something political and became ultimately a sign of defiance. Yeah. In the World War Two, you know, everyone knows that there was there was rationing going on everything from food to metals and

ultimately wool and cloth. So wearing a zoot suit, which required an abundance of cloth was deemed not patriotic because you're basically flaunting, Hey, I don't care about the war effort. I'm gonna wear my zoot suit. That's more important to me, right exactly. So. Um, In in the forties, the War Production Board basically said we need to cut back all fabric use in the States by and to help you. Here is the new American suit. It's streamline, it uses

less fabric. As long as you're making stuff according to these, um, these sketches, your patriotic, you're American, You're within the law. Right. Uncle Sam wanted to squear tight clothes pretty much. And if you think about if you look at the suits in the fifties and sixties and after the forties, Um, the American the classic American suit is narrow, narrow cut,

the cuffs are high. Yeah. Um, so I wonder if that came out of I'm sure it did, but you can take what they were saying a different way, and that Uncle Sam's telling you to dress like this, and everybody dressed like that. So zoos suits immediately became, um, a symbol of defiance. Anybody who wore him was saying, you know, up yours, Uncle Sam. Uh. And it was ultimately illegal to man facture or advertise as zoot suit

or anything that fell outside of those American suits. So incredibly, bootleg and underground tailors grew up to make and sell zoot suits, and at the same time, especially in Los Angeles, it had an association with UH gang activity, criminal activity and thuggery, largely because of newspapers that would call them, you know, zoot suitors committing crimes. They would you know,

label people in its particular clothing as being criminals. Essentially. Yeah, well, racism is definitely nothing new in this country, and it was um hot and heavy in the late thirties early forties in Los Angeles among um it was mainly targeted, I think, toward Latino Americans, but it's not like African

Americans didn't get the brunt of it as well. But basically it was white people in California were like, hey, there's a lot of you these days, so you're making us a little nervo us and um, you wearing the zoots suit is easy to target. It just so happened that the group that they were targeting was actually kind of homogeneous people who wore zoos suits, kind of wore them in defiance, but also identified themselves with them, right,

the pachos. It was a statement of independence, not necessarily thumbing your nose at the United States, but just hey, I'm independent, I'm Latino, I'm living in Los Angeles, and this is our look. So the pachos, Yeah, the pachucos, the pachos. I'm seeing pachos right here, Octavio pa said, pachos. Yeah, okay, Um, So the pachos were it's They weren't an import from Mexico. They were a real American hybrid. They were a second generation UM Latino American kids who, ironically, because of the

war effort, were latch key kids. Their parents were off working the night shift UM for war production and they were basically left to them their own devices. They called themselves twenty four hour orphans, the first latch key kids and um. They were also arguably the first rebels, and out of their emergence in America, UM came the whole concept of juvenile delinquency. Yeah, I love that one quote

from Octavio pass Can I read that. He said the zoot suit was a symbol of love and joy or horror and loathing, an embodiment of liberty, of disorder, of the forbidden. So it was the single fashion item was at the same time asserting your independence and individuality as well as what white folk saw as thumb in their nose, the white man. Basically, Um, and I guess that's exactly what they were doing, because, as you said, like they

weren't necessarily wearing the zoos suit as a statement. They weren't anti war protesters, but it was more like, you know what, I'm sick of you racist white people, and I'm I'm not going to hide my identity. I'm not going to try to blend in. I'm not going to go back to my traditional roots from Mexico because I wasn't born here, but I'm not gonna, you know, join the service and wear an American suit like like. So this is this was the compromise, and it ticked white

people off like crazy, especially in Los Angeles. Yeah. Well, at the time, in southern California, there was an enormous presence of UM service manager who were waiting to ship out to the Pacific Theater from California. Yeah, and they were, you know, rubbing elbows with these guys that a lot of people thought were gang members and zoot suitors, and they rubbed elbows not in a very good way either, which you know, ultimately led to the zoot Suit riots.

But there were some pretty striking events that led up to that NTE summer. So one of the things you said you mentioned was that they were were getting negative press, right, So people in zoos suits were associated with things like um. Uh, let me see quote. Um, the record already reveals killing stabbings in cases of innocent women having been molested by

zoot suit gangsters. That's from the Los Angeles Examiner. And uh the article was titled police must clean up l a hoodlumism, which is not a word, right, but so so there's this joint effort of um just general racism among whites in the in the general public UM, and servicemen waiting to be deployed specifically, and the Los Angeles media kind of fanning the flames, that's right. And then the Sleepy Lagoon murder happened. The Sleepy Lagoon case Sleepy Lagoon,

Josh was the reservoir by the l A River. It's not there anymore. Is that fascinting? It's like a plastics plant there now there's no reservoir. Yes, so don't go looking for it. Even though they said it's roughly it was at fifty Slaws and Boulevard in Maywood. I know where that is, actually. I think it's on the way

to the airport. Uh So the Sleepy Lagoon case. UM. At the time, Mexican Americans were denied access to public pools and swimming holes and stuff like that, so they used Sleepy Lagoon as a big hangout where they would go and listen to music and swim and have a good time. Um. In August to n uh, the body of Jose Diaz was found at this reservoir. And what I gathered there was a big party, like a big house party, where a fight broke out and one guy

ended up getting killed. And as a result, they rounded up three to four hundred Mexican American youths, had a corrupt trial where they basically denied the many civil rights, cooked up evidence, had no evidence, had no physical evidence, had no witnesses, nothing of the sort, and they basically pinned that murder on twelve guys. Is that right? Nine kids? Yeah, but they railroaded nine with no evidence that the guy

had even been murdered. And eventually the Sleepy Lagoon Defense Committee and the U. S. District Court of Appeals overturned that as a miscarriage of justice. Right, but the damage was already done. Yeah, and his killer, incidentally, was never found. They never singled anyone out, which is sad. That's kind of lost a lot of times, I think. But at the same time, you can't just cook up a case against dudes that were there and say that they did

it exactly. So Um. The press attention that the Sleepy Lagoon case received just fan the flames further and further. Um. And then uh in June no May of Yeah, that's when things really started to take a term for the worst. That's right, UM. I guess about a dozen servicemen I think Navy boys were um down in East l A.

And uh, a few of him approached some girls. One of them kept walking, and the one that kept walking past a group of pouchos who were wearing zoot suits and when when he passed um, one of them apparently raised his hand and what the guy took as a threatening manner, So the serviceman grabbed his arm, and right after that everything went black because somebody knocked him over the back of his head with something and he fell

and broke his jaw in two places. Okay, the other guy to see this, the other guy to see it, but before they even react, the the pouchos jump them, and these eleven other servicemen fight their way out and fight their way over to where the guy is laying the guy with who's knocked out with the broken jaw and him and get him out of there. So this is not this is not bode well for um Mexican

American white relations in Los Angeles. A few days after that, like revenge is on the mind of everybody after news of this gets out, Yeah, big time, especially in the mid military community. And basically sort of the same thing happened main Street East l A on June three eleven. Sailors got off a bus and there were words with a gang of young Mexicans. And when I say gang, I should say group, and we shouldn't say necessarily Mexicans.

The likelihood was that they were Mexicans and the authorities, but there they were Latino Americans, Okay. I tried to get to the whole bottom of the word Chicano as well. I know hispanic is from Ronald Reagan, is it? And it's basically it insinuates that everybody from Central or Latin

America or South America comes from Hispaniola. Well, and what I found from Chicano was that it was a derogatory term early on, very negative, but it meant specifically Mexican American and then later I believe they some some of them chose to embrace that word and pride. Yeah there was sixties. Yeah, yeah, it's interesting. I don't know where it stands today, so let's just say it as watched ska mm hmmm. So they ran into this group of

young Latinos dressed in zoot suits, gotten an argument. The sailors, of course claimed that they were jumped, although it's unclear exactly how it started, and the l A p D responded and with a group of off duty officers and on duty officers, officers calling themselves the Vengeance Squad, and they basically took it upon themselves to clean up the streets of East l A to the cops rough house style.

The cops, including off duty cops, took on the name the Vengeance Squad and went down to the Latin American Quarters, Latino American Quarters and just started beating people up. Yeah, and this really really set off what would be known

as the zoot Suit Riots. The next day, on June four, about two hundred U. S. Navy servicemen jumped in a bunch of taxis went to East l A. And a caravan, Yeah, and a caravan like a mob essentially and started beating up Mexican kids, twelve and thirteen year old boys, clubbing them, stripping them of their clothes, burning their clothes those That was the first group they encountered, and a bunch of adults tried to intervene. They got Club two. Then after that,

it wasn't just people wearing zoot suits. It was any Latino American that they saw. They stormed movie theaters, they stormed bars, they stormed like and yeah, they pulled them off the street cars. Yeah, they and black guys got caught up in it too. African American guy on on the street car. And I think it wasn't Watts m who was pulled off and beat into a pulp by servicemen just because he happened to be sitting there and was black. It was literally a riot and it was

perpetrated by white servicemen for several days. It was known as the zoot Suit Riots. Cops were there, but they had orders to not arrest any of the servicemen, so they were kind of given carte blanche for a few days. So for a few days. Finally the Los Angeles City Council comes to it, since its in bans the presence of any servicemen um in that area of Los Angeles and issues in ordinance whereby zoots suits are prohibited. And in the end a hundred and fifty people were injured

in the riots. Police arrested more than five hundred Latinos on charges ranging from riding to vagrancy. And I don't know if any servicemen were arrested. I think a bagel number servicemen is probably a good guess. I couldn't find any. Let's not say it didn't happen, but my feelings it

was probably zero. And they, you know, the local press got ahold of this and called it a quote cleansing effect and said it was a pretty great thing went on in the city, when in fact it was one of the darkest, some of the darkest days of Los Angeles in their history. Pretty sad it is. It's pretty sad and strange story. Yeah, do you, I mean, is there anything else do this? Um? No, I don't. The

aftermath is, oh, I'll sell you. One interesting thing from the article was that years later, young Russian Soviet UH teenagers would wear zoot suits as an act of defiance against communist Against communism, so this article of clothing, this fashion statement, was a lot more than that. It's pretty interesting. And this is one of those weird moments in history where it's not just like, did you know the zoot suit caused this riot? And then you find out that

it didn't. Really, this genuinely started it. This was part of this made um. These the pouchos easily identified targets. The whole reason they were wearing it was out of defiance, and it just irked the establishment. The zoot suit caused these riots. It's crazy. It is crazy, um and it had another lasting legacy, If I may it um it

juvenile delinquency. The whole concept of that coming out of this area and this era, um I believe, gave rise to the like a slew of great movies, Rebel without a Cause, The Wild Ones and If I May I was a teenage werewolf starring Michael Landon who was a character settled with a terrible affliction of throwing milk. So there's this little clip. I would like to say, Okay, I put you out of fight three times myself in the last month. You're just lucky to want any formal complaints.

The time before this and the supermarket. It was the checker's mistake. Yeah, but you didn't even give him a chance to rectify. At Boom, You throw a cart in the milk right at him. It contained bowline growth hormone, and he turned into a giant cow. So that was the Mystery Science Theater three thousand take of Michael Landon, of course, and his milk throwing problem, which probably wouldn't have existed had zoot suits not coming about. I've never

heard of that movie. I was a teenage werewolf. Yeah, I wonder if they picked him because of his huge mound of hair, maybe because he did look kind of werewolf. He right out of the games close. Yeah, even without the Mr Science Theater three thousand, guys um discussing it, I guess just fun to watch it is. It's it's kind of a cool movie. Yeah, I look forward podcast on the Stonewall Riots. We're gonna cover that soon too. That's another overlooked blight of American history. Yes, we like

to point these out. Um. If you want to learn more about all the stuff we talked about, like Cab Callaway's jib dictionary, you should search for that on your favorite search engine. It's pretty cool. Yeah, you could also search for zoot suits Smithsonian. Um, that'll bring up a pretty cool article from I think it's pretty comprehensive. And then, of course the article on our own beloved side is

excellent as well. You can type in zoot suits zo O T space S U I T S. If you haven't known what we've been talking about this entire time, you want to type that into the search bar how stuff works dot com. And since I said search bar, friends, neighbors, it is time for listener mail. You know, some of that jive, cab, callaway, jazz jive is still like a few of those words I recognized is still being used. It's kind of cool. Oh yeah, he established a lot

of them. Um Like, I'm not nearly cool enough to speak like this on a regular basis, but that's all I want in life. Really, Like Corny came came from this era really groovy, Okay, Um, I say groovy a lot moo juice for milk? Never heard that? You have not heard that? Um, there's Buddy G as a guy Like, thanks, Buddy G. I've heard that. Um, but it's g h e okay, Um, crumb crushers for Keith nice freebe no charge, broad us free. That that came from there, give me

some skin, shake hands. It all came out of this era. Yeah, and we would not have one of the better parts of the movie Airplane. Yeah if if Cab Callaway and his cronies head and to come up with this. And I wish I had one cell of my body that was as cool as Cab Calloway was. He was a cool dude. You know. Many the moocher like has a lot of drug references in it. Yes, Smokey is cokey, he's like cocaine. And they talked about kicking the gong around,

which apparently smoking opium and many. Actually in the extended version, Um is taken to an asylum where she dies and that's why the song ends with poor men, poor man, poor man. All right, Josh, I'm gonna call this, uh polygraph inside scoop. Oh, yeah, it's a pretty good one. Did anybody ever offer you a polygraph test? Okay, that's right now. Just listen to podcast, oh, he said, Dear Josh, Chuck and Gary, I just listened to your podcast on polygraphs.

I thought my personal experience might add a little to the discussion. I was asked at one point in my life to submit to polygraph exams as a witness and a crime. I was interviewed by two different polygraphers at different times. One piece of equipment I did not hear you describe was a pad that you sit on, which registered whether or not you fidgeted during questions. I'm glad you said fidgeted instead of what. Okay. This may not be standard, though, because only the first examiner used one.

I was not given a pretest like you described in either case. However, they did tell me all six of the questions in advance and uh, which is sort of like a pretest. I guess yeah, he just didn't have to answer them, and the polygrapher asked him to make sure he understood all of the six questions. The first was something like are their lights on in the room? And in both cases there were questions like are you worried? I will ask a question we did not go over uh.

Then I got different versions of the same question, for example, did you see a man in a blue jacket? Or was a man wearing a blue jacket at the scene. After the questions were done, I got a break from the machine. Then I got all the questions again in a different order, followed by another break, and then another round of the same questions. Asking each question in a different way multiple times was apparently to reduce the possibility of reporting a false reading. But I did notice a

couple of hinky things guys. For example, the first examiner had me closed my eyes so that the readings would be guaranteed to be in response to his questions. The second guy did not ask me to do so, and when I asked him if I should, he said it didn't matter. Pretty interesting. You also mentioned techniques for fooling a polygraph. According to a sign in the waiting room, these techniques can actually cause false positives more than false negatives,

though it's probably a biased source. Although Yeah. Also they ask you to keep your feet flat on the ground through the tests, so the attack trick wouldn't be possible, And that is from matt Few and Matthew says. I, by the way, am one of the few listeners who would be thrilled if you included tribal drums in the background of your episodes. Oh yeah, with you reading listener mail throughout the whole time. Yeah, all those combined with the track of us just doing our thing right? So

is that why we're hearing this right now? Weird? I hadn't noticed it. Interesting, when did that start? I don't know where it is? Well, okay, well, thank you Matthew um. Also, we want to thank our house band of tribal drummers, and we want to thank our producer Jerry for bending to our every whim. Yeah, if you have any info about a cool little piece of history that may be overlooked, we want to hear about it, and we may even podcast about it, and we may even be courteous enough

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