Is tone deafness hereditary?

That's Frank comes sit here, Frank, sit on Frank now ran chair got his first official email. I saw that. What was the question? I think it was like, Frank, who's been sitting on you lately? And who would you like to sit on you in the future, or something like that. Who do you think? I think probably the first person to sit on Frank, as far as we're concerned, will be Joe Randazzo maybe right, Uh, some of the other casters might sit there. No, there are other podcasters.

Let's do this thing, Okay, Chuck, I have something of a lead in you ready, Yes, have you ever heard of My Way killings. Uh no, no, So there's a subcategory of crime of violent crime in the Philippines called My Way killings. That's what the media calls it. Frank Sinatra, Really yeah, It's a huge karaoke society. Asia in general, rum is pretty into karaoke. The Philippines are super into karaoke,

but they also have something of a violent society. Is it people who botched that song get killed or people who are jeered at for singing that song kill in return a lot? Um. It's not just Philippines the Philippines, but at least a half a dozen people have been documented as having been murdered because of that song in

the last ten years. Right, just in the Philippines. It's other other songs have been known to um kind of erupt violence, like uh, there was a guy who who lived in Thailand who killed eight of his neighbors in a rage after they sang John Denver's Country Roads Take Me Home, apparently not to his liking. So it's not just my Way, but with my Way in the Philippines, the this this has the highest frequency of murder or violence. It's attendant to it, right, I would sing it's a

very good year. Maybe that would get me through well. As a result, a lot of people do avoid my Way. But isn't that weird? Okay? So most of the reported my Way killings have been due to tone deafness, right, actual tone deafness, or they just say people who can't sing. Uh, it could go either way, and this is weird in and of itself. No, I don't know that anybody's done that much investigation, but that is my intro. Chuck, Let's

talk about tone deafness, which is also called amusia. And I gotta tell you, the people in the Philippines don't find tone deafness amusing. Thank you, Chris Palette. Uh, if you're talking actual tone deafness, then you're only talking about one and twenty people are actually a music so it's not very many, not five percent five and uh it has nothing to do with deafness. That has nothing to do with how your ears work. But this is something

I didn't realize. If you're tone deaf, I just thought that means you can't like sing in a tune in tone, but apparently you can't hear it either, right, So that was surprising to me as well. People who are tone deaf are actually faithfully reproducing or recreating what they're hearing, which makes me really sad because that means music sounds awful of these poor people. Yeah, and apparently one person described it as um the sound of pots and pans clanging.

That's awful, just not cut as anybody who has a two year old nose, a two year old and unsecured cabinets. Uh, pitch, that was what we're talking about, right, that's what they mean when they're talking about tone. Well, that's what underlies it, right. So so pitch is the frequency of sound, right, You have high or low, and that higher low means high frequency or low frequency. So a high note it's actually just a high frequency note. Low note is a low

frequency note. Um. And as Tom Sheaf bff, Yeah, you need to reprimand him because he said that piano was plucked. It's some to the hammer struck. Harpsichords are plucked, so are harps. So you need to tell Tom and you got this kind of wrong. Give him a break. He said that a violin has a violin note has a four frequency of four hundred forty wavelengths vibrations per second. That wavelength. He also said pianos are plucked. But why

he said that um erroneously? Was He was just pointing out that the length of the string of a stringed instrument will determine how high or low the pitches, and pitch is what we talked about when we talked about tone deafness, and then perfect pitch is on the other end of that scale, and only about one in ten thousand people have perfect pitch. Yeah, Chuck, I have a question for you. What Dud, Jimmy, Hendrix, um Ingway, Malmstein, being Crosby, and Yannie have in common? You mustaches? It's

no no being cross He didn't have a mustache. Nobody smoked a pipe. Uh see Ingvy and Jimmy played stratocasters. I don't think being crossby too much thought to this. They were from Seattle. No perfect pitch. They all had perfect pitch, which is all called also called absolute pitch. Yeah. Perfect pitches when you can pick out a note and name that note by itself solo without any other relative notes around it, and you can duplicate that. So if I said, Josh singing a flat, you would be able

to sing an a flat perfectly. That's way too high. And uh so that's perfect pitch. But relative pitch is what many more people have. Means you can pick out a note relative to other notes, right, So somebody can play something and then they'll play something else, and you can. You might not be able to, uh say well that's an A and that's an E flat or something, but you can say, well that's high and that's low. Right exact amundo? Um, did you take that tone deafness test?

I did. I took another one. I didn't click the link that you sent me. What what percentage did you score? Well, let's pass this out. This is uh if you want to test your own tone quality um www dot d E l O s I S dot com dilosis slash listening slash home dot html and you can take it's a sixty question. It takes like fifteen to twenty minutes. I did one in six minutes. Yeah, it's not as thorough. And there's two parts to this one, and there's thirty,

uh thirty pieces to each part. So you basically listened to a sound or a series of notes, and then it's followed directly by either the exact same thing or something slightly different, and you click same or different. At the end, you get your results, and I got I got a twenty seven out of thirty on both sides. Wow, so that's pretty good. I got a seventy seven eight percent. Yeah,

what's twenty seven thirty percentage wise? Um, Jerry, like she's sitting around with the advocate kee pulling out your calculating I am, but keep talking all right. While you're doing that, I'll tell everybody the site that I took it on. It was h T T P Colin slash slash Jake Mandel dot com. That's j A K E M A N D E l l dot com slash tone deaf.

One word that's really good. Actually mine was average. And that actually makes sense with me because you know, I sing in my band and I'm I'm an okay singer, but I'm clearly not like a great singer. Else wouldn't be doing this job and singing in a band in my basement. I'd be singing in a band for real, So that makes sense. Ten percent of the time, I probably sound like crap. See now that's not necessarily true, Chuck,

because you should know by now. It's all about who you know, right, Yeah, but I would you could be squandering your challenge right now just because you don't know the right record producer. Yeah, but if you're like, if you've got the goods, like I always used Chris Cornell as an example, Like the first time that dude sang in the shower when he was sixteen, he was probably like, Okay, I guess this is what I'm supposed to do with

my life. When he shattered the windows of his shower door and then he um solemnly washed the soap out from under his arms, out of the shower a person and said I'm gonna form sound Garden and that was that. Yeah, he should have never stopped. I think they're getting back together. Actually they should be awesome. Um. All right, So chuck pitch actually is not um constant. Did you know that. I didn't know that until this article about the elevation

That really surprised me. Yeah. Uh. Basically, when you pluck a piano string um strike, the vibration that it creates at sea level is different from the vibration that's going to create a higher altitudes. I would imagine because of the atmospheric pressure. Right to fix everything, well, it does baking pianos, everything athleticism, your ability to live by breathing

and absorbing oxygen um. So when that when that vibration is created, it transfers to the air and it goes won War War one and hits our ears, and then inside our ears it goes War war and it goes to our brain, and we process the sound of the tone def people here, you or I, because we have relative pitch and we're not tone deaf um and just about anybody else who's not tone deaf could say, uh, if if a frequency is off by a few vibrations per second, even that slight bit, we would be like,

that doesn't sound quite right. Actually, if it were relative to a note, like you played one note correctly and then another note the same note with a couple of vibrations off per second, you would definitely be able to hear the difference tone off. People apparently can't do this right. So it's kind of like color blindness. It happens in degrees. So some people can who are color blind can tell red from yellow. They can't really tell black from dark blue.

I think that that is another aspect of tone deafness as well. Yeah, I'd be interested to take the one I took again because the ones that I missed there were somewhere I was like, oh man, it's it's They literally would have like twelve notes and one might be the like half a step down from the other, and those were really tricky, and I think those are probably the ones I missed because some sounded really off. Yeah, some were obviously off too. So, Chuck, we know some

stuff about tone deafness. What's the explanation, Well, josh, uh, there are a few potential explanations. We seem to think that it is hereditary. It does seem to have a genetic basis. Study show that it is hereditary, and twins identical twins have scored similarly on pitch tests, which also means it's probably hereditary and it likely has something to do with the brain and specifically the arcuate. Fasciculous, nice

first try. That is pretty good, Chuck. They study that and that's that's one of the nerve bundles that sends information, like so many nerve bundles, and they found that they think that one of the roles is to send is to send signals concerning the perception of sound. And they studied tone deaf people and found that the fibers were in fact smaller, and people that were tone deaf than non tone deaf, then some of them didn't have them

at all. There is another right, and and that is the amount that was there's relative to the degree of tone deafness. Right. So there was also a two thousand seven study um or the publish study published in a two thousand issue of two thousand seven issue of Harvard Health Letter, which I get mailed to my house. I thought you wrote it um in my sleep. Uh that that the studies showed that people who are tone deaf have less white matter connecting and remember the white matters,

the stuff that connects the gray matter, it's the nerve fibers. Um. They have less white matter conducting the right frontal lobe, which is in part responsible for higher thinking, to the right temporal lobe where basic sound processing first takes place. And they found that the less what the people who are tone deaf have less white matter. And among tone deaf people, the less white matter you had connecting these two regions, the more tone deaf you were. Just like

the oh, the sorry are quit physics list? I think I pronounced it different earlier. So we'll just say merging of those two is the correct way, right, So we we would say that, yes, it appears to have a genetic basis. There's actually if you're in the San Francisco area and you like being a medical guinea pig, you should go ahead and look up the study that the University of California, San Francisco UM is launching right now

into tone deafness and its genetic basis. What you do, you know, I think you probably have to be a little tone deaf and then you could be part of the control group, right yeah, and be a great singer. They do say that you cannot improve upon this. Um. You can take music lessons, you can take singing lessons, it's not gonna help you. If your tone deaf, you're born with it. And if you do find out your

tone deaf, stay out of the Philippines. Yes, and there was another and of course this is of perception to tone. That doesn't necessarily mean like you're a bad singer, although that that would make you a bad singer. But you can also be a bad singer if you're not tone deaf. And well this you probably fall into one of these categories. In a couple of neuroscientists did a study in from the University of New York at Buffalo and Simon Fraser University,

and they said there's likely for explanations. Poor music perception is one, which would be tone deaf um. The other might be poor control of your vocal system, yeah, thick tongue perhaps, And another might be inability to imitate or mimic something. So you hear the sound and you hear it correctly and you know what it is, but you still can't make it right. And that was something that occurred to me while we were doing the research for this article, that there's there. It seems like there could

be a basis for um flawed memory storagereating it. Yeah, he said. The fourth reason it's just bad memory. Between the time you hear it and when you sing it back, you actually forget what the notes were. Too much scotch and he likens it to like a baseball player. You can you can know how to hit a curveball, and you can be a professional baseball player know how to swing a bat, but that still to mean you're gonna hit the curveball nice so you can hear the note.

You might not be tone deaf, you might think you can mimic it, but when it comes out of your mouth, it's not quite Frank Black. After all. I saw Frank Black just this very week. It was it good? I had my friends said it was they phoned it in. No, I didn't. I disagree. Really, I could have definitely handled a lot more um songs from Um Trump Plamon. They played pretty much all of Doolittle. Yeah that was the tour,

right play and Doolittle. I didn't know that. Yeah, I think that was there actually, but yeah, it was cool. I liked it. These guys are old back in the day, so they might be jaded old people. They played like Winter Long and um not. I mean as far as just phoning it in are old. You know my friends who said they phoned it in, our dudes who saw them back in the eighties and nights, they might have been all they phoned it and they're just being I thought it was cool. Cool stage show too. They were

all dressed like stage hands. Yeah what's the stage chand dress like dark clothes really, and Joey's just bald as Frank Black is now. Yeah, man, he still plays that gold top. Donety the less Paul, I don't know I can't even say, Chuck, don't ask me if you want to know more about tone deafness and find out the uh what the one article that Tom Sheep got something wrong in looks like type tone deaf into the search

bar how stuff works dot com. Oh, while we're at it, before we move on to listra mill, have you heard of Paul Data? I think it's d A T E H and DJ inco one. No, dude, it's this kid. He's like fifteen, looking perfect. He has absolute pitch, has violent and he's just playing along with a guy who looks like his cousin who's a DJ. They're playing like tribe called Quest and far Side and he's playing it on the violins um along with his DJ cousin, who's you know DJing Really cool. I'll have to put that

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