How Coelacanths Work

about Cela Cants one time. Yeah, like was it this day in history about when they were discovered. I ran across it because it smacked is familiar to me, and you know, the constant fear we have of recording an entire podcast over uh is sort of always there. Yeah, the fear that sometimes comes true. Yeah. So I definitely went back and looked, and I was like, I new we did something. Yeah, we were trapped in a shipping container, right. I didn't watch it. I didn't either enough to say,

oh yeah I remember that. Yeah, that really weird, weird thing we did. But this is really cool. I think I need to Seela Cants were um, well they're interesting, despite what the House Stuff Works article would lead you to believe. It was. Yeah, it was a little thin, was a little bit. It was all right. But luckily the rest of the Internet is there for us. Right, thanks especially to Smithsonian and mental Floss for this one. Right, Yeah, that mental plus article is kind of neat, actually it was.

So you want to go back to the beginning, actually the second beginning. Maybe, Well, I don't know what you're talking about now, so just okay, Well we'll go back to the very beginning. We'll go back to something about four million years ago, doing the Devonian period, which is a k a. The Rise of the Fish the Age of the Fish, right, And in this Devonian period, there's a lot a lot of stuff going on. Things have been swimming around for a while on Earth. There's a

nice atmosphere that's developed. The things in the ocean are starting to say, oh, what's out there? I want to see what's on land. I want to just crawl out and see. Yeah, I want to taste clover. So they start trying. And during this period there was the progression from the sea to the land, and one of those things that was starting to develop legs to get onto land was called the Ceila cant yeah, which um A it means hollow spine, which is we'll get to there's

a reason for that. And B it's spelled c O E l A c A n t h, which is uh, you know, not how you would think it might be spelled or pronounced rather either one. But it's sela camp. It is sela can uh. And what it is is a fish that is um, like you said, been around for a long long time. It's um kind of funny looking. And we'll get into all the physical characteristics that make it unusual uh in a sec. But it is notable, uh, mainly for the fact that everyone thought it was gone

forever until it was suddenly discovered. This thing that that swam with the dinosaurs was discovered a new in the nineteen thirties and then again a little bit later on. Yeah, because it was it pops up for the first time around um, four hundred and seven million years ago, I think, I said, and and then it just drops off eighty million years ago. So they said, well, a lot of stuff when the way of the dinosaur around the time

the dinosaurs went away. Um, so that's probably what happened to the Cela can't, so it was quite a big surprise.

In the nineteen thirties when a trawler um that was out fishing, a trawler called the Narine which is keptain by Hendrik Goossen off the coast of South Africa, came in and as was Captain Goosen's want, he contacted the director of the local museum in East London, woman named Miss Marjorie Courtney Latimer, and she used to come over and look at the fish loads this guy would bring in because they were buddies and he's He gave her a call like normal and said, I got to load

you want to come look at it? And she was like, it's two days before Christmas and his blazing hot out. Don't forget where in South Africa at the time, and she's like, I don't feel like it. But the world was saved, the world of ich theology was saved this day because this lady Marjorie Courtney Latimer was so nice that she decided to go look at the fish anyway, just to wish the captain and his crew a merry Christmas. So she takes a look at this fish and here

is her quote. Uh as she recounted. It wasn't her quote at the time or quote at the time, it's probably a South African expletive, but she said later I picked away the layers of slime to reveal the most beautiful fish I had ever seen. Uh. And of course only a fish lover can find this thing truly beautiful, because it's kind of ugly. It was five ft long, a pale mauve blue with faint flecks of whitish spots that had an iridescent silver blue green sheen all over.

It was covered in hard scales, and it had four limb like fins and a strange little puppy dog tail. Uh not literally, of course. Uh, it was such which would be great though actually that's the dog fish that has that. It was such a beautiful fish, more like a big China ornament. But I didn't know what it was.

And um, it was pretty faithful that she was called in uh to look at this thing, because it ended up being one of the most important zoological finds of you know, history, probably of the twentieth century at least for sure. Yeah, this woman's curiosity, Um, something in her said, this is weird, this is unusual, this is this is something worth looking into. So she took it with her. This thing was like five ft long, just under two ms,

about a hundred and how many pounds seven pounds. This is a significant fish and uh ms, Courtney Latimer talked her way into a cab with it. She took a cab back to the East London Museum with this fish stuffed in the back seat. And um, she took it to the taxidermist and had it stuffed. Unfortunately, the taxidermist wasn't completely aware of how to preserve a fish for identification and throughout the skeleton and the gills, which to what you need for for um the idea fish. Apparently, well,

she probably should have said something. Well she she like, this is no ordinary mount. Yeah, right, she probably should have, or maybe she did, and he just ignored her. He's like, I'm not getta get boss dround by one. So she contacts a guy named j. LB. Smith who is an ich theologist. He's the head of the ichthyology department at the university in Graham's Town and PhD in chemistry. Um, he's a smart guy and he's the local fish expert as far as she knows. Yeah, and their their pals,

and so she said, hey, I've got this. Uh, we're looking fish. And then Smith his quote was, I told myself sternly not to be a fool, but there was something about that sketch uh, and apparently it was it was sketched. She sent him a sketch of the fish to begin with. Uh that seized upon my imagination and told me that this was something very far beyond the

usual run of fishes in our seas. Uh. And luckily, even though the fish was um um, I guess mounted in a traditional form, which, like you said, takes away. It's how you can identify it. She was able to preserve some of the scales, and somehow from these scales he was able to say, this is a Cola Cant Seela canth. Well that's what he said at first, and she was pronounce Cela can't. He's like, oh, apparently he said when he saw that scale and I and identified

it positively as a Steela Cant. His quote was, if I'd bet a dinosaur in the street, I wouldn't have been more astonished. I like that guy. A little hyperbole there, but I like it so he um, I mean, this is seriously, this is like the zoological find of the century and would be for the next sixties something years. So he very magnanimously said, you know what, I'm going to name this thing after you, and he named it as a new species. Let him marry Chilumny because, um, well,

obviously her name is Courtney Latimer, Courtney hyphen Latimer. And it was found in the Chilumna River at the mouth of it where it hits the coast off the eastern coast of South Africa. So that's a great name. It's it's perfect. It really puts it in a place in time. Uh. So they have now discovered this thing. They realized that they have a big find on their hands. Um. They thought this thing had long been extinct by tens of millions of years. Uh. And so they started to research

and you know, try and learn more about this fish. Yeah, which is no ordinary fish. No, but I mean this was so this is right, and it was the only one that had been found for another sixty years. Yeah, I mean, there's only so much you can find from a stuffed fish. But it did prove because it have been caught alive. It wasn't like they pulled up a fossil or a dead fish. It had been alive when

it was caught. Yeah, I think it was attached to another fish, like potentially trying to eat it, which is one of the uh well, not unusual but interesting things about the Cela canth is that it's a it eats meat. Well, there's a lot of unusual things about the Cela camp um. So fast forward another sixty years exactly um in Indonesia, which is on the other side of the Indian Ocean,

the eastern side of the Indian Ocean. It was actually first seen in by a biologist named Mark Erdmann who was in Indonesia doing his PhD dissertation, and he saw a Cela cant in the market. That's crazy, that's a sela can't what's that doing here? So apparently he put a bit of a bounty out on it with the locals, and within a year by they had brought him freshly caught one, which is quite a task. Yeah, it's finding a uh once thought extinct fish. Yeah, it's a big one. Well,

and we'll get to a little bit why. It's even tougher than you would think to So the one that Erdman found was brown, right, Yeah, it was a little bit different color, right, the one like uh Courtney Lattimer described, those are known to be like steel blue. This is a brown a little smaller than the one that Courtney Lattimer found. Um. And so eventually when Erdman got his hands on that one, um, he described it as a

new species. Yeah. I mean, uh, it turns out that at one point, um, you know, hundreds of millions of years ago, there were you know, potentially over a hundred different varieties of this fish. Uh, and they came in all shapes and sizes. Um. These obviously were pretty big, but there were some that were smaller and faster. Uh. Basically just kind of a wide variety. And as far as we know, I think are the the only two

known survivors, yes, so far. Yeah, the one that Corney Latimer founder known as the West Indian Ocean Seila Cant. Those are the blue ones, and they're typically found off of the west, you know, the east coast of Africa, south of Kenya. I believe, um, down to about the

Cormoros Islands. I think that's they're actually also known as the Cormoros Islands Celia Cant because there's that's that seems to be where they inhabit the most or the highest density of them is Yeah, and UM, some of the weird some of the weirdos that have well, we assumed that they've been extinct, but you never know. One of them was toothless, uh and over ten feet long. That was the megalo se La canthus very appropriately, Uh, some of them said forget you, ocean, I'm gonna go to

the freshwater. So they were actually freshwater Cela cants at one time. And like I said, some of them were slow and ambushed prey somewhere uh, smaller and faster. But they've pretty much universally all been predators from what I've seen, and the two species that are alive today that we know of UM are aside from that Megalis Cela cant um tend to be a little bigger than the the extinct species, which UM I read is a good it's a good example of why they shouldn't be called living fossils,

which is what they're frequently called. Yeah, that's Darwin's term for something that UM basically never changed. Uh. And they've actually studied the genome of the Cela cant and found that they very much haven't changed and the kind of the main reason is they haven't had to. Um, they've kind of stayed in the same places. And when you stay in the same places and you eat the same stuff,

then maybe you don't change so much. I read the I read the opposite of that, they have changed enough that they that they have been evolving in a good example of that is that they're bigger than they used to be. Interesting. Yeah, but the two species that are alive today, Um, they have traced their genomes back and decided that they've been separated for several million years at least. Yeah,

this one. Uh, they finally got the full genome and they said that, uh, it does indeed match the fish's appearance of slower evolution and a journal published in Nature because they have a slower rate of substitution. Um. Basically, she the doctor, well, yeah, I guess she has a doctor.

Just sounded weird to say that. The doctor the researcher who was also a doctor, who was she said it may reflect the fact that they do not need to evolve quickly because they've lived in relatively unchanging environment whe there are a few predators. Uh, and they basically haven't

needed to change over time like other organisms. Well, that brings up another thing too, there's a there's a big why would they just drop off of the fossil record if they've been around this whole time, if they didn't just go extinct eighty or sixty five million years ago. The um only explanation I've seen is that the places where the fossils turned up where areas conducive to fossilization, Like there was a lot of sentiment that could turn

bone into rock. And then the areas that the living uh species live at now are not conducive to that kind of thing, possibly because they're mostly living around volcanic rock that doesn't necessarily produce fossils. You want to take a break, Yeah, let's take a break and we'll get back and talk a little bit about this funny fish. All right, So we talked a little bit about what makes the Celo camp such a interesting critter. Um. Can a critter be a fish? Yeah? Have you heard of

the cuttle fish? That's a critter? If there ever was a cuddly critter. Uh So, here are some remarkable things about the Cela camp um. They can live as deep I mean, they're deep water dwellers. They can live as deep as two thousand or more feet, but generally, uh, they think the UM I think they generally live about five eight hundred feet and what they call the twilight zone, which is still pretty deep. That Remember our cave episode, Yeah,

UM that had the same thing. Remember there was like organisms that live in the dark, organisms that live in the twilight zone, and organisms that live in the lighted zone. Yeah, these guys live in that threshold between light and dark in the ocean. And they um apparently are nocturnal hunters. Yeah, they come out at night, Uh, kind of stay hidden. Most of these habitats are are caves, right that they

tend to stay in. But there's one off of Tasmania that do not live in caves, and so they have officially been placed on an endangered list because they don't have the protection from bycatch that these other cave dwellers have. That makes sense, Yeah, so they the average day in the life of a cila can't at least the cave dwelling UM species. They they'll you know, the during the daytime, they're hanging out in a cave. They'll hang out in a cave with I've seen between up the twelve to sixteen.

Other Ceila cants have coffee. Yeah, maybe just talk, you know, talk about their night and then as nightfalls, they'll leave their caves and they'll they'll go hunting. And like you said, their um carnivorous predators. Um, they do that passive by catch thing for the most part right where they let the the current bring the food to them. But they just basically hang out and wait for a cuttle fish.

It's one thing. They eat squids, other cephalopods, some fishes, but they seem to not um show aggression towards one another from what I understand. Yeah, and um, while they are passive hunters, they do have an unusual feature which is, like we said, one of many. But they have what's called a rostral organ, which just means it's in the nasal region and their snout uh, and it's filled with a jellylike substance that they think uh. And they think

most of this stuff. I mean, they've done a lot of good studying, but for something so rare, you can't you know, be super sure. But they think that it detects low level electrical signals and frequencies from prey. Yeah, like a shark or array. Yeah, it's an electrosensory organ where when living tissue contacts water, it can make an electrical impulse that can be picked up. Yeah, and this cool mental floss articles at eleven um eleven things about

the sea. Look ant, I can't remember how it was put, but just eleven interesting features, eleven fishy facts. Unfortunately that's why I forgot it, uh title aside, it's an interesting article. And um. One of the things that they don't know why they do, and I have a feeling it has to do with that electrical frequency, is they will swim nose down, um for up to two full minutes, which

is weird for a fish. It just kind of hovering in place, headstanding, right, Yeah, and I guess I mean if they have that nasal uh bag of a jelly that helps them locate fish, I would imagine that's what they're doing there, right. I imagine it like tonto, like holding a railroad track, you know. Yeah, I think it's

the same thing basically. So um, when they catch their prey, they eat them, and they can eat stuff that's way bigger than them because I again, which is this is um unique to see the cants among living things They have a hinge in their cranium that allows basically their head is convertible. The top of their skull can retract, allowing their mouth to open really wide, so they can eat a large, large cuttle fish. Yeah. And I think the that feature also allows it to uh, their mouth

to close with like much greater force with extreme prejudice. Yeah, like when it's unhinged um emotionally and physically, it can really close that mouth, uh, super hard. They hate themselves for eating cuttle so I just can't stop. So those are just a couple of the features. Another is um and we mentioned earlier that the name literally translates into

hollow spine. Uh. This is because they have what's called a noo chord, which is a hollow pressurized tube filled with oil where a lot of fish start this way and then they'll eventually get a spine. But this doesn't go away, right, And not just fish vertebrates apparently, um, there's a lot of mammals that go through this, I think possibly even humans. In the embryo and the sela cancer says, I'm good with the noto coorse, I'm gonna stick here, I'm gonna stop here, which is strange. It

is strange. You want to hear some more stranges. I could do this all day. Well, it's a strange fish. Cela canth um. We don't quite understand how they reproduce, and the reason why is because males don't seem to have any sex parts. They don't have junk. They think possibly males grow it when they need it, but it's otherwise, it's it's not around to growers. They're not showers right exctly,

that's exactly right. So we have no idea how they reproduce, but we know that the um the mode of reproduction is called uh ovo viviparity, which is how for the eggs that the female has get fertilized. Once they're fertilized, they just state or the eggs developed in the female, and then they hatch in the female, and then the live fishes continue to just date. Oh and like the whole period last like three years before they're born. So they go from egg to being hatched to being born

within a three year period. And so apparently this does not make the mom Cela can't very happy, and sometimes she will try to eat her newborn pups. So supposedly Cela can't pups, that's what they're called. Can dive really deep, very quickly the moment they're born to get away from mom, to get away from their mom, who's like three years three years paging Dr Freud. Yeah, uh yeah, I think sharks maybe the only other uh fish that give the live little ones? Is that right? I mean most fish

lay eggs, right, so that it's definitely unusual. Yeah, it's it may not be new unique. Um. But the other thing about their their sexy time is there's also a theory that, um, they are monogamousts. In a German team. Um, they had a couple of corpses of too pregnant. Um. I believe that the African version, yeah, the Ladimir chlumni and uh because what was I remember the other one? It was Ladimir something else. For the Indonesian version, we'll

just go with that for now. I was practicing pronouncing

it Latimer menadoensis. Okay, wow, thanks. Uh. So they analyze these two pregnant ladies, unfortunately that we're no longer with us, and they found out that they had like most definitely had a single father, which they said was unusual because one of them had twenty six little baby pups inside of her, right, and they um, they thought at first, well, maybe it's because the Cela cant is so rare that the female wouldn't have opportunity to mate with more than

one male. And they said, well wait a minute, well no, not necessarily, once they found out that they stayed to hang out together. Yeah, in caves all day long. What else are you gonna do? Once general hospitals over just looking around and everybody like, whoa, what do you want to do? Yeah, that's a good point. All right, Well let's uh ponder that and take another break, and uh we'll finish up with even more interesting things about the ceila cant. Yeah, alright, so these guys have live babies.

They might mate with a single mate. Good day. They have they can unhinge their jaw to eat more. They have a jelly filled thing in there, nostra that the that the texts electricity, The texts electricity. I know I'm having trouble thing to text. Uh what else? This is sort of a recap. They have oil filled spine, oil filled spine, and they're they're just good with They're like, I don't need a real spine. This one is my favorite. They were long thought to be the missing link between

fishes and the tetrapods, which are land dwelling four limbed animals. Yeah, because a notable thing I don't think we mentioned yet is this thing has well, I think I didn't a quote from miss Ladimir Courtney Ladimir, but they have four are fins that smooth, sort of like you would think legs would move if a fish could swim out onto the beach. Legs and arms. Remember how Shaggy walked in Scooby Doo, Just like that. That's basically how a ceila

can't swims. And the fact that they're their fins are suspiciously arm like in appearance just made people think that even more. What's more, their arms, what are called lobes, are attached by a bone that is compared to the humorous in humans. So a lot of people said, well, that's it. It's a missing link. The cela can't is a missing link between the fish and the land dwelling

four limbed animals. And apparently once the genome came around and said now a little disappointing, they said, yes, we're all related. Technically, we are all um what are known as sarcopterygians okay um, which means we are fleshy limb vertebrates. So we're all that. So we are related, but it's not like our direct ancestor. In fact, we're more closely

related to the lungfish than the seila can'ts. But the seila can'ts holds this place of honors, probably living on something of its own branch uh and is a very close cousin, if not bro, of the lung fish. So we're related by marriage right to the seal It can't say, but we legally we probably could marry a sela can't and have it not be super creepy except for the thet it's a fish. I feel it's a fleshy, lobed thin stroking the back of your head as you kiss it.

I got something for you that was I'm just walking right past that one. Um. They taste gross, so don't think it's some weird delicacy, right, uh not? You know that there are that many of them to eat, But apparently if you do eat them, they can make you sick because these things are filled with urea, with oil, with wax, esther and fat like ninety eight point five percent fat. That's just in its skull. Oh I thought that was the whole body. No, it's it's brain occupies

one point five of the area inside its skull. The other is fat. And that's at the point that they're an adult, right. Yeah. Supposedly their brains are bigger proportionately when they're younger, and they just stay there. Yeah, they're frozen in uh, perpetual like I guess toddler hood pretty much. They love life. Yeah, no responsibilities, no bills, exactly. What else I got one for you? Okay. Vestigial lungs Oh yeah, man,

I love these things. So they grow, They had CT scans done and this is from the mental flass article of these embryos, and they start growing little lungs uh early in the gestation period and it slows down a bit, and then by the time they're an adult, the organ serves no purpose. Yeah, it's just there. Yep, that's a good one. It is. It was. It's almost like the Cela canth was an attempt and evolutionary attempt, and it's just like, I'm gonna scrap this design. Let's move on

to the long fish. Yeah maybe so you know, um, one of the things that struck me though, Chuck, was when they were talking about how a couple of females that had fully formed young yeah in them, ready to be born, were caught. It's like that was a lot of the Cela canth population that got wiped out with those two caught fish. Yeah. I mean, if there are

only hundreds, then everyone matters. Yeah. They think that there's possibly about a th thousand of the ones that live around Indonesia and far fewer of the ones that live off of the west coast of Africa on the western side of the Indian Ocean. Um. And as a result, both of them are on the Endangered Species list. They're both protected. The problem is that if something happens to these species and these species die out this time, the whole order is gone, um for good this time around. Yeah,

unless we revive them, uh with some of their DNA. Alright, I got one last one um And this was on Mental Flosses list as well, under the title A prominent hematologist once wrote a celacanth operetta A right, So that's an attention grabber. Apparently there was a man named Charles Rand of Long Guideland University, and he was a hematologist, and um was doing some work with the Cela Camp and uh, this is when the big revelation was. They

learned that it gave birth to live young. And he, I guess, was a music guy and decided to write a little operetta about this discovery titled a Cila Camp's Lament or Quinn Tuplets at fifty fathoms can be fun all song to the tune of various Gilbert and Sullivan songs. Right, that's a hematologist for you. I have no comment on that. Well, I mean it speaks for itself other than I wish

this was on tape somewhere. Surely it's on YouTube. Everything's on YouTube, you think, yeah, sure, you want to go over some of these other quote living fossils end quote Yeah, Um, so again there was there's some fishes out there that may have made the jump kinda to land or on most did or what have you. But there's there's some interesting fishes that are worth mentioning. Speaking of making the jump, did you see that shark that jumped into the boat

the other day? There was a fisherman, Uh, and I guess the shark just did you know one of their famous uh it was a great white did one of its breeches where they just jump out of the water. Missing did that and landed in a dude's fishing boat. Uh. And he got banged around a little bit but was not like, you know, a bitten or anything, and basically went into his little control room I think, and called for help. And this shark like, I mean, it was kind of sad. I think the shark just died. But

there were pictures of it. It's it's huge, it's like eight ft long. It was not a little guy. Yeah, do you imagine? No, Oh my god, that guy did the right thing. He ran. He pooped his pants too. Yeah. I may have jumped into the water had that happened. Alright. So living fossils um, the bow fin, yeah, the dog fish, mudfish or grindel I like dog fish. Yeah, this guy, I looked all these up, lily. He lives in the

Mississippi River basin, in the Great Lakes and other places. Um, and are pretty mean supposedly like eats small mammals, snakes, frogs, other fish like they'll they'll go after you. Um. It's sort of normal looking, just sort of a long fish. Uh. Nothing remarkable as appearance wise, though, I'll tell you one that's remarkable appearance wises. The gar. Yeah, you know, I just saw a long nosegar so ugly last weekend and I was like, it was floating dead in a lake.

I was like, what in the world. Because I went by it at first, I was like, was that a swordfish? Like, well, no, it's not a swordfish. But in the long nose ones, I mean this this thing had a he had a twelve inch beak. I mean it looks prehistoric. Yeah, they very much do look prehistoric, which is one of the reasons why they're called a living fossil um. And they are just mean. Apparently they're known to kill other fish, even not even to eat them, just because they were

in their way. Basically, like you see this nose. Yeah, and you can't eat gar. They're inedible and as a matter of fact, if you eat their eggs, it will kill you. They're very toxic to humans and they just go around killing other fish, So they're not the best thing to have in your like if you like to fish in a lake. No, and they did you ever see Vernon, Florida the documentary? No, I've never seen that one.

By the great Errol Morris. It has uh one of the interviews, it's one of my favorites, as with a guy talking about talking about the garfish. Really, yeah, I gotta see that one. Come across one of those. Oh boy, I finally saw a thin blue line for the first time. Oh yeah, that's a good one. It's really You probably saw it after the parody of documentary Now, I definitely did. I saw the documentary now on which they nailed like, it's like perfect. They really one of the great shows. Uh,

what's the next? Hagfish? Yeah, mud dwellers. Yeah, they basically look like eels, but their fish. But the interesting thing about hag fish, aside from the fact that they don't have any eyes, is that they eat fish from the inside out. Yeah. I think you underplayed it when he said they basically look like eels. It looks like something out of Dune. Okay, like the body looks like an eel. But have you seen the front end of this thing? Sure,

it's frightening. And to think about that crawling up in you and eating you from the inside out, right, because if you're dead or dying fish and you're like, oh man, I hope, I hurry up and die before a hagfish five and a hagfish swims down your throat and then eat you from the inside out. That's a bad day. That's not a good death. And then lastly, what about the sturgeon. I love the sturgeon. Did you know that they they are both freshwater and saltwater here in North America?

I did not know that, But um, I know one thing is they're huge. Yeah, they get up to like twenty ft long. Yeah, and I didn't I didn't see any pictures of him that big, but I've seen pictures of fishermen with like sturgeon that looked like they're at least eight or nine feet long. Uh. And they're crazy looking. Yeah. Well, the reason I was surprised that they are largely North America's I always associate them with, um, the Baltic area where they they're the beluga sturgeon is prized for its

caviar I always think of, I think sturgeon. No, I didn't realize that that's where bluga came from either. Uh. And they have armor like skin, and they're they're these retractable mouths that I guess there are different varieties, but some of them look almost like alligators from like the head forward. Yeah, they're weird looking fish. Yeah, but they don't want to hurt anybody. They just want you to eat their eggs. Is that true? They're like the giving

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comedy guys? They're good man. That made me feel good. Uh, And then to have the Schoolhouse Rock episode pop up a few weeks later, it was like whoa. You guys were spot on in your characterization of Bob as a creative genius. A lot of his genius comes from his hard work. The age of ninety three, he is still traveling the world taking gigs. Uh. My mom often complains that he doesn't know how to say no. Thank you

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