Weirdhouse Cinema: Spookies

to decide, oh, where should we go? You know, somebody with you know brother brother Daryl wants to go to the steakhouse, and and Grandpa wants to go to the Mexican restaurant, and so forth. Everybody wants something different. They can all have it at the same place, unless you go to the king size buffet where you can get a little bit of everything on your plate. And that's what's going on at the movie today. They decided why

commit to just one kind of monster? You know, why make a movie just about a like monster baboon hagbride or a little diminutive rubber merman, goblin or fart zombies or a cast member from Cats that has a hook hand. What if you could just put them all in the same movie and let them all run wild. Yeah, and that is very much the case with the movie we're

talking about here today. This is gonna be Spookies from six a great year for genre films, though I can't lay I we can't credit Spookies for really being a part of that. This is this is not a great movie. This this may be one of the worst movies we've we've discussed for for Weird House, But you know, we're

still gonna We're still gonna focus on the positives. It does have some positives, and I think the monster Buffet is the big one, because, Yeah, when you mentioned this, I was trying to think of other films that really hit the same caliber, uh, you know, of of just having multiple different types of monsters. And I mean I thought of Gremlins too, but then again, even though those

are diverse types of Gremlins, they're still gremlins. I thought of Monster Squad, but that is still a case where those are all like universal monsters that are that have been historically paired together, so it's not that weird, it's established um or. I thought of say, thirteen ghosts. Both versions of it, but especially the later version of it was a lot of fun. Had thirteen very different types

of ghosts, but they were all still essentially ghosts. I keep meaning to watch that one, Rachel, and I love those like late nineties terrible monster movie remakes, you know, the nineties, Uh, what's it called? House on Haunted Hill and all that, and thinking we're gonna watch thirteen ghosts. Maybe this is the year it is? It is. I've heard it's loud and the scriptor I've heard a plaed to it. It's loud, it's got a good cast, and it's some neat ghosts in it. But but but okay, yeah,

I see the point you're making. So, yeah, monster Squad, and and that combines all of the classic universal monsters into one thing. So you've got like a uh an Off brand creature from the Black Lagoon, you got a Wolfman, you've got a Mummy, you gotta Dracula and so forth. But this one, yeah, I like that. This is like a Monster Squad, but for obscure or previously unknown monsters or monsters that you would not think of is going

in a monster movie. So it does have sort of uh sort of like dirt caked fart zombies that the just uh, the just exude flatulence as they chase people around in a room. And it does have this like baboon bride creature. It does have a like a lady who turns into a giant spider. I think maybe she's

supposed to be a certain kind of yokai um. But it's also got like a if you bought a one of those grim reapers that goes on your lawn for Halloween and raises the scythe up and down and goes whoa when people walk by, but it came to life and started attacking people. It has that, And it's also just got a Jawa, yeah, sort of a yeah, kind of a child vampire jawa running around. Yeah. There, there's there's a lot of a lot of stuff here, and there's not really a good reason why it's all there.

This is not a movie that's really concerned why people or monsters have any reason to be in the same place at the same time, and yet there they are. Well,

this movie did get me thinking about one thing. I think maybe maybe maybe the weird structure of this film gave me a sort of insight into a curiosity, a type of curiosity that powers the construction of certain horror movies, and it is I think the same type of curiosity that leads people to make those Um this might be overly nerdy and obscure, but have you ever seen those videos people make on the internet where they just take like some like real time strategy video game and they

just keep pairing different kind of units from the game against each other and seeing which one wins. What I'm talking about, Okay, so here's my you know, power Mac marine versus the the alien screamer queen, and uh, you know which one will be victorious. You just do that a hundred times, the different types of units. I think sometimes eighties horror movies especially kind of work that way.

But they work with a certain kind of monster or slasher, and then with certain types of human stereotypes or or personality archetypes. So it's like, what does a nerd versus hockey mask slasher look like? Or what does preppy rich kid versus merman grimlin look like? You know, it's like the bug fights, but with with human stereotypes on one side and different types of monsters on the other. Does

that make any sense. Yeah, yeah, I can see that that definitely being a part of the alchemy going into some of some of those pictures, But in this case it's not. This does not feel like the product of an alchemy lab. This seems like the lab has been ransacked and all the liquids are are mixing together on the table and making random explosions. Oh, this movie does

have some really good random explosions. You don't see him coming? No, um, so, spookies, I guess we should talk about what the basic Elevator Vader pitch here is. Um. Basically, the plot, such as it exists, is that people, random people are drawn to a weird house in a graveyard where Warlock is trying to bring his brideback to life, and equally random monsters rampage through the shambles of what is essentially a kind

of resurrected film. I also was thinking of it in terms of what if Troll Too had lacked vision and just featured more monsters, what a Control Too was more of a hodgepodge instead of like one one director's clear artistic vision realized to its fullest extent. Right, So yeah, I think for me this film was worse control to this. I think this is the worst film we've we we've looked at on Weird House and uh and I think ultimately I would like not to return to its level.

But there's still some fun stuff to talk about here. Well wait, then, how did you end up on this one? What what led you to Spookies? Um? I was familiar with the title, and I had signed up for Shutter to watch a previous film that we had covered. I forget which one, and I was slipping around and there was Spooky, So I thought, well, I'm gonna start watching it. Let's see what this is like. Okay, So that's that's how it came to be. And oh, in the other

part this is important too. This was right before the Labor Day weekend, and I knew we had a shortened week coming up, and we were talking about doing, um another movie that I think we're gonna be doing for next week that is a much better film and has some more uh I don't know discuss It has some some plot points in that they're gonna be worth discussing more. And I thought, well, let's save that for next week

when we have a little more time. Spookies is perhaps the that the right amount of movie for what we have time to put together. Okay, I got another question. The title Spookies. Does it refer to the buffet of different kinds of monsters? Are they? Are they the titular spookies?

I guess, I guess so. I mean I've never heard of spooky as a now and that's an adjective, right, I think the title sometimes it makes me think of things like the jeepers creepers, or phrases like that, or the hebe gebes or something where I'm like, oh, well, maybe the ideas this film is supposed to give me the creepies, Like I have the creepies now because I watched this film. Do you mean the spookies the spookies? What I say, the creepies, Okay, creep Okay, yeah, I

have the spookies because I watched the film. I don't know. That's That's as much as I could figure out. Well. I wondered also though, if it was um if it's a little like shortened kind of short cute word with an S at the end, because it's in the era of the Gromlins type movies, so you know, Gremlin's critters and all that if it was trying to cash in

on that, uh Google, is that sort of thing? Did they think, Okay, we need something like that to get the people picking up the box in the video store? How about spookies? Yeah yeah, it was probably something like that. All right, Well, let's let's give everyone a taste of the trailer audio here so you'll you'll know what you're getting into a little bit more. What's this supposed to be? Sort of like a part cheesy game or something. I know what this is. I mean, I've never seen one

like this before. It's wegi board. Well, how do you play? Don't you need? Dice? Is something you don't play? Board is a tool for communication, communication with the dead? All right? Well, one way you know this is going to be a really good movie is that it has three directors. Yeah. Yeah, and and from the get go it apparently had two directors. Um. Now, when you get into the production history of this film, we're not going to really get into it a lot.

There's there's a whole documentary that is a special feature on the Vinegar Syndrome Blu ray for this and that feature is that that that making a feature is longer than the film itself has a lot of interviews and if you're if you're super into all the nitty gritty of of the production of this sort of film, then I would say go check that out. But ultimately I feel like a lot of it was maybe maybe too

much for me. Like I ultimately I love a movie of this caliber, but I don't necessarily need all the ins and outs of how it has made. But you know, you're my lege will vary, but essentially the key factors to keep in mind here is you had you had these two directors who had Thomas Dorian and you had

Brendan Faulkner, and they were the initial directors. And the producer was this guy Michael Lee, who was has been described as as like a video nasty millionaire who made a lot of money importing films into Britain during the period where a lot of these were banned. His company, I think was was v I Pico Vera VIPKO, and he wanted to produce a film. These guys already had sort of a pre existing vision and then as a producer he had a certain amount of insight into what

he wanted. Um they shot this film that was going to be titled Twisted Souls, and then that a relationship fell apart and another director was brought in to finish it, and that's this director, Genie Joseph. She ended up directing additional footage and completing the picture. And so what we have on screen here is is one picture, but there you can tell where stuff was added. There's this whole additional plot where where there are characters who you never

see on screen together, so you you can tell. I think what the framing narrative is. So if I understand correctly, the plot about the party kids who drive around in the woods and then end up at a house, a random house in the woods, go into the house and then are attacked by a buffet of different kinds of monsters. That was the original film. And then the framing narrative where there is an evil old warlock who is who is sacrificing people who wander into his house to the

monsters in order to revive his dead bride. That is the framing narrative that was that was later added to sort of boost this up to feature length, right, And yeah, ultimately, like I said, don't want, I don't want to get into all the ins and outs of the production. Um. I did watch the feature att but uh or the feature rather, it's it's pretty too long to be a feature atte. But I would say that the features simo featurissimo here. Uh. You know, I don't think the film

was ever going to be good. This is not like this was on track to be something and and it was changing into something else. I don't think there's a case to be made for like release the Twisted Souls cut or anything of that nature. Um I, I don't. I think the film is as fun and memorable as it is because you have so much weird stuff going on, and you have these two different energies involved in it. Um. So yeah, I mean, it wouldn't be Spooky's if it

wasn't this ridiculous. I gotta say it does make for some extremely funny moments, uh, the inner cutting between the different plots, because first of all, it gives it an energy similar to Pod People, where it has at the beginning, like the A, B and C plot, and it's frantically cutting back and forth between them at such a pace that that you're constantly trying to figure out which movie you're in. Um. But then also to to stay on

the mystery science theater theme for a second. It sometimes seems almost as if the Warlock in the framing narrative is sort of riffing the movie in in the middle, So like the the kids will be walking through the house and one of them will make a comment to say, like, uh, wow, the so the lights in this place still work? Maybe somebody lives here, and then it'll cut to the Warlock a different room, different place. You're not even sure where

he is, but he'll go someone does still live here. Yeah, I that was a moment that I definitely laughed out. Lad Uh. Yeah. The resulting energy is is is weird and wonderful. It also feels a bit like the stuff with the Warlock that was at it. It's it's it's like you decided to make a horror anthology, but you only had the one picture to draw upon. Because there's certainly been cases where you have like different productions that were unfinished or or were recut, and then you have

them rereleased as part of a horror anthology. Was some sort of a framing framing narrative in place, but in this case, it's just one the one picture. Yeah, Yeah, it's a framing narrative around one movie that was not going to make it to feature length. I'd say that core movie is what maybe sixty minutes? Yeah, yeah, I mean, I'm not sure how much stuff got got cut. I know some stuff got cut, but um, is it stuff that would have really that I really wanted to see

instead of this wizard and his strange cat creature? I'm not sure. All right, well, let me let me go ahead and mention some of the other projects that some of the other folks were involved in here. So Thomas Duran again co director co writer on Twist the Twisted Souls portion of this UM. Interestingly enough, he was the voice of the monster in Devil's Express, starring Warhawk Tanzania. Yeah, so I gotta give him credit for that. He also

worked on a spattering of other genre pictures. Brendan Faulkner Uh, also the co director co writer on Twisted Souls, wrote in direct Killer Dead. Genie Joseph, who finished the film UM. She wrote and directed the horror like Mind Benders. I have not seen this, but I looked it up. Apparently it's also known as Invasion of the Mind Benders, and the VHS cover definitely made me laugh out loud, so

it says invasion of the mind Benders. And then it has like a lady on fire and she's shooting rays of light out of her eyeballs over a guy who who's looking up in enraptured at a bunch of clouds. And then next to it, it's got a tagline says

controlling a mind is a dangerous thing. I like how this does look like a a horror paperback from the eighties, So oh yeah, it's got looks more like book art than the movie art um and a plot description from IMDb on Mind Benders says two teenagers noticed a sudden change and their fellow students. No one is able to explain this zombie like behavior, which, at the command of an unseen alien, makes them punish transgressors with merciless violence. Alright, so most of the there are a lot of people

involved in this. There's a lot of there's a lot of of loving attention pay to the monsters, and we're ultimately not gonna be able to mention all of them by name, but I want to mention a few of them as well as the writers involved here. So Jennifer aspin All was in the makeup department, went on to work on a on a lot of projects including Westworld, Captain Marvel, and Saturday Night Live. There's a Frankie m Ferrell who who was one of the writers on the screenplay.

He also produced N seven Street Trash. That's a melt movie that we've discussed before, and Burgund was a writer additional material plus costume design. She was also associate producer on the Mask. Yes, the one with Jim Carey in a green cartoon face. So did Anne Bergend do the costumes and the because we're gonna have some commentary on the costumes, she at least did some of them. But also you have this guy Tom Malinelli, who is credited

with art direction, art department and costume design. This is another individual who worked on Street Trash. Okay, there's a guy by the name of al Maglioschetti who plays Lewis Wilson in this. I don't remember which one Lewis Wilson was, but he also did special effects photography. He went on to do visual effects and a lot of big pictures including Star Trek, The Undiscovered Country, Water World, uh T two, Bill and Ted's Bogus Journey. The Adams Family, Jason goes

to Hell and many others. Oh. In fact, so I see the connection to uh T two there. But the camera operator, the steadicam operator in this movie j Michael Murrow, I think, also did steady caam for a lot of James Cameron movies, including Terminator Too. Yeah, this is an individual that I believe Michael Weldon pointed out as being involved in this picture in his right up in one of the psychotronic uh in the Psycotronic Video Guide or the Psychotronic Video Guide or the Guide to Film, I

can't remember which one. Now, getting into the actors a little bit, there are a number of actors in this who didn't really have any other credits. But my favorite actor in in this whole picture is Peter Assillo Jr. He plays rich is uh Oh, I would say the richest character in this film. Um, how would we describe him? He's the he's the cut up, He's the He's a Ham, He's a Ham, He's constant Ham, glorious Ham, He's a ham. Who's You get the sense that he's improvising a lot

of his lines. There are scenes of just um where where it feels like what happened is they just turned the camera on him and they're like, Rich, come on, you know, just riff a little bit. And so he'll like wander around kind of bumping into the other characters and be like, hey, hey, how's your sinuses and stuff like that. He also, uh is it plays a character who loves beer. Uh, And it's clear he loves beer because even after the monsters started attacking and all everything

goes crazy, he's still always got his beer in his hand. Yeah, he's he's a lot of fun in this. He's like them tall mustachioed guy that was apparently in real life was just always on just was always the goofy cut up and was much beloved. Um and and so he brings that exact same energy to this role. His character Rich has a puppet named Muck, and so he's off. He's constantly interacting and harassing the other characters with this puppet. And he wears a T shirt that pit ficture features

an image of himself and the puppet mouke on it. Right. So uh, he lived ene through two thousand and seventeen. He uh, he played an uncredited zombie and Don of the Dead and then went on to do a lot of bit parts, um and things, often freaks and crazy, sometimes background work. I noticed he pops up even in an episode of thirty Rock playing paparazzi character, so you know, just somebody click the camera in the background. But then we also have this character, Duke, This Duke so interesting.

How would you how would you describe Duke to everyone? Duke is a is a fabulous bully. He's sort of the like tough guy, bad guy, bad boy of the group. Um, it's hard to convey by describing, but a lot of the scenes with Duke in them have this bizarre rhythm and logic that you sort of get, you get a feel for as the movie goes on, but it can't really be compared to anything else I can think about.

Gonna try to describe one scene just to give you an idea of like of duke rhythm, and it goes like this, So like they're in the house and Duke just pulls a box off the shelf and he opens it and an amulet flies out of the box onto the floor. And then this other character named Carol picks up the amulet and she says, isn't it wonderful? And he goes, pretty damn weird. If you ask me, what is it art or something? I think it's worth any money.

And then he immediately from saying this line, turns his head to the side and sees a door that has just been behind him the whole time, and then he goes, what the hell is in here? And he starts jostling the lock frantically, and then he breaks a chair across the door and starts shoving a board into the door jam, trying to pry it open. This is duke energy, would

you agree? Yes, yes, very much so, he um. I. In my notes, I've noted that he was essentially a discount Fonzie in a trash bag because he's wearing this weird cost him. He's wearing plastic clothes like a shirt and pants that are they look like they're made from the same material material as like black heavy duty garbage bags. Yeah. I don't know if it's like the workout thing or what. I don't know that that that is literally what it looks like it's made out of. And I, oh, yeah,

I have no explanation. Um my. One of my early theories watching this film was that he was perhaps like the frontman of a band or something, and that are the characters. The human characters in this film. It's essentially like a band and some hangers on and like maybe they're older, producer. But this is a complete misread on my part because there's nothing to support that in the film. There's nothing to support any actual connections between any of

these human characters. Well, this gets you to something about the movie, which is that it has one of my absolute favorite horror movie tropes, which is the utterly implosible friend group. Uh, you know many eighties movies especially have this is the eighties were the decade of the implausible friend group movie. Though you know, it still happens every now and then. But I think you probably know what I'm talking about. But if not, just picture this. Okay,

So it's a horror movie. You've got a group of friends hanging out. Maybe they're going to somebody's uncle's cabin in the woods, or they're driving around looking for a party as in this movie, or something like that, and the group consists of people who would never in reality

to be hanging out together. What you usually get is either one or two of each teen subculture archetype that the movie wants to show, So you get like a jock, a nerd, a punk, a stoner, preppy, rich kid, et cetera, instead of what you would imagine would happen in reality, which is you'd have like a group of jocks or like a group of nerds, a group of stoners, and

and that would be the friend group. Yeah, yeah, I mean it's sometimes and I guess in your better films, you see a diverse group of people brought together by by circumstances that then have to survive the monster. Oftentimes maybe yeah, like maybe it's uh, you know, it's stoner's and greaser's because they're both fleeing a storm or something and we're holding up in the same place and now where have we Now we have to fight goblins or something. Right, That's more like you'd get in a Night of the

Living Dead. You know, different people are sort of driven into a into a house by the zombies attacking. It's not like they were all hanging out to begin with. But in this film, everyone was hanging out to begin with, and we're given no explanation why that would be, you know, and I think there are a number of reasons this happens.

Number one is what I was talking about earlier. It's kind of the bug fights mentality, Like you you want to see different human cultural archetypes being faced with violent struggle or extreme circumstances with that kind of like bug fights or or video game unit versus unit mentality. Is just kind of a basic curiosity about like how does this one work? But there's another version of it, I think that is sort of there at the core too,

which is the dead teenager. Movies of the eighties are often, in essence clumsy and vulgar morality plays, and as such, in a way, you get them trying to sort of

recreate the dynamics of the Canterbury Tales. So whereas in the Canterbury Tales you would might get the Knight's Tale and the Partner's Tale and the Wife of Bath, here you get the Jock's tail and the punk's tale and the nerds tale and uh, and those are the little vignettes you see them them go through before they finally meet their their end at the ultimate confrontation with the monster or mad slasher or whatever it is. I would

have liked to have seen Rich's Tale. I guess we do see Rich's Tale to a certain extent here, Yeah, kind of rich rich see Partner's Tale sort of right, but also Miller's Tale one of one of the good humorous ones. But I totally agree with you. It works better when there is some kind of external circumstance that can assemble people who are are not naturally friends. But in this movie, yeah, it's just like, well, they're all hanging out together for no for no reason, they appear

to hate each other. Yeah, yeah, there there's there's tension from the very beginning. Yeah, but we don't really know why there's it's not explained, but it's the kind of tension that eventually erupts into a full fledged fist fight between two of the characters. In fact, between Duke and the older guy who I thought was maybe a a manager of some sort. They have like an epic quiet man asked, fist fight. Yes, and I'm not really sure

why it occurs. Oh, man, that seems good. Oh and and like their girlfriends are they're just like watching them fight, and one of them is like, should we stop them? And the other one is basically like, no, just let them go. And if they've been to set by multiple monsters at this point so yeah, it's just not a good time for a fist fight. Okay, well, are you ready to talk a little more about the plot? Yes, such as it is, let's let's get into the plot.

Uh what So. One of the first things that had me laughing in this movie was, I know, this was the title of the original film before it was recut and supplemented by the additional footage, but this credit was given to Twisted Souls inc. Twisted Souls Incorporated. Um, I don't know. That sounds like a like a tattoo company

or something. I'm not sure what exactly, but so you get an opening on a graveyard is very Edwards style graveyard with some kind of flimsy looking tombstone owns, and then there is a stone crypt cover on one of the graves that starts throbbing like it's stretching and deforming. And immediately I thought, oh, that that's a nice special effect.

I think that could be similar that there's a similar effect actually in the original Nightmare on Elm Street, where you remember the scene where a character is lying on a bed dreaming and then on the wall behind them, like Freddie's head sort of stretches out through the wall, and I think I'm not sure, but I think that was accomplished just by using like a sheet, a flexible

sheet as the wall. And then so you know, the actor sticks their head in there, and it looks like the wall is actually bending around some surface, some object coming out of it. I think the same thing is probably going on to the grave here. Yeah, that was a great scene in in Nightmare. That was a great scene. Yea. It reminds me a lot of the short story The Yellow Wallpaper. Okay, what was Spooky's actually based on an early script treatment by Charlotte Perkins Gilman. I think I

recall reading that somewhere. Um, now we so we keep seeing this graveyard right out in front of the big White Mansion. There's the big White mansion. It's the house for the movie. Looks kind of like the White House because it has these pillars out there. Well, it does have an interesting history because it turns out this is the John Ja homestead. That's right, What a bizarre connection.

So this Spooky's, the movie with fart zombies, was filmed at the the the ancestral home of John j. One of the US founding fathers, the first Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, one of the authors of the Federalist Papers. I didn't know this when I watched the movie, but it made me think back on it, and I'm like, could this be interpreted as containing any federalist propaganda? I couldn't really, I couldn't really make that work. But but anyway,

so we'll keep seeing. This is the setting. They show you a lot of the setting, and then it cuts to this dude in white glove sitting doctor claws style, so it's a high back chair. He has got his back to the camera, he's got his hand on a cane and white gloves. He's got a big old ring on, and he is talking to a winter green coffin and he says, I convade no longer. The Vinyl Foolish victims will be here very soon. So just doing a really excellent accent that kind of comes and goes. He doesn't

always have the accent. Yeah, it's not very consistent. There are times where it feels like it's fifty Low Pan and fifty Major Todd from Raiders of the Lost Ark. You know, it's he kind of he's going for some sort of a German accent, like that's what he's aiming for, but there's a bit of drift to it. The vinyl foolish victims. Yeah, yeah, well actually that maybe maybe that connects more thematically than I realized, because of course Duke does turn out to be wearing vinyl clothes, so at

least one of the victims is vinyl in nature. That's true, that's true. But okay, so we get a read on the Warlocks plan. This guy is going to sacrifice victims in his house in order to resurrect his his wife, I think, and and we're led to believe at the time that like you know, they loved each other dearly, but she has long departed and and she will soon

be raised and they will be happy together forever. Yes, yeah, it's uh and alright, so it seems that at this point in the film, like like all right, let's see how this occurs. Let's see how this this this happens. Uh, then we cut two is that this might be movie B or movie C. At this point we cut to a guy running around in the woods who looks like

a cast member from Cats. He looks like a jellical cat going to the jelical ball, and he has a hook for a hand Yeah, some sort of a wear cat with a hook for a hand in this kind of strange costume, running around looking, you know, very creepy. You know, I'm not saying that these are you know, it's not thriller level of of creature creation here, but it's pretty good and I am legitimately creeped out by this guy. Oh and we also get the cast member of Cats observing a kid with a backpack who's just

wandering around by himself in the woods. Is this billy or is he just a billy? I think it's billy. Yeah. And then you get to movie See I think um. And then in movie Cee, we meet our implausible friend group which are driving around the woods in two different cars. Car number one consists of a bad boy driver. This is Duke. He's wearing his black plastic clothes. He's being an aggressive jerk from moment one, just screaming at his passengers about spilling beer on the upholstery while he's sort

of zipping around in the dark. And then you see car number two. The driver is this much older guy who reads as like, uh, the ultimate narc, hanging out with these teens around him. He's wearing a suit and tie. He has at least fifteen years older than everyone else. I thought he was supposed to be somebody's dad, but I think he's just a member of this friend group

who looks like he could be their ad. Yeah, and I it's never explained, And based on some of the behind the scenes interviews that I saw, I don't think they knew either. This was not something where like they cut out some scenes that explains something. No, it's just it's just this is what they was put together, and they had no idea what their connections were supposed to be. And there's immediately a a rivalry between this guy. We find out his name is Peter and Duke. The drivers

of the two cards don't like each other. Peters talking about Duke, he says, I told you we shouldn't have followed him first. He starts a fight at that party, gets us all thrown out, embarrasses the hell out of us. Then he gets us lost out here in the middle of nowhere. So I guess Duke's calling the shots. They're all just they're riding for Duke and Duke. Duke is not is not proving his worth. Duke is leading them astray. Yeah, it's just it's so ridiculous. I can't even begin to

follow it. I guess part of it is the problem of having this many monsters in a film. You need not one, but two car loads of people to serve as victims, and and then you get this kind of a situation. Yeah, I guess that's true. Some some movies get around that with a van or just hey yeah, I just have two groups. You know, there's the one van, there's the the other I mean troll to sort of managed this right, or the family. And then you had the like the boyfriend and his his crew that were

coming in another vehicle. Uh, they don't have to know each other before they get to the house. If you just serve them up to a buffet of monsters, they could just both arrive at the house. I mean, I guess they just wanted to have lots of dynamic dialogue between all these these people. Uh. And then so we then we got back to Billy. I guess this is

a movie to or b B plot. Um, he's in the woods eating a snack cake by himself, and then he gets startled by a guy wearing the Denham tuxedo who's like, hey, give an old man a light and it's very creepy, uh though the guy is not old. Um. And then the kid gives him a light. Why does this kid kid have a lighter? I don't know. And then the guys like go home, and the kids like, no, I have plans, big plans. And it turns out his parents forgot his thirteenth birthday and that's why he ran

away from home. So he's just running around in the woods. And then the kid walks away from the guy. And then the guy in the woods as the kid walks away, is just immediately killed by the jelical cat. He gets like slashes on his face, like while the kid is

still in frame walking away. It's yeah, it's such a weird series of events because this yet this kid runaway kid in in you know, running into a drifter in a way that feels like sort of a slice of American, a kind of tail, right, But then the drifter is just just torn to pieces by the by the wear cat. Yeah. And then so we get a bunch more stuff with the witch plot a plot I guess or b plot with the one with the warlock trying to resurrect his wife. Um, we start seeing his face and I got man, this

is a I dry warlock. His face is just caked with some kind of powder. He needs moisturizer. It is. It's bad. Yeah. But we also get to see his his wife in the coffin and she kind of looks like a blond win owner rider. Yeah. But eventually we cut back to the party, party boys, the party kids in the cars. They're they're driving around. Eventually they get blocked by an obstruction in the road. I think I think bust for Jones throws a tree branch on the road in front of Duke's car and then they have

to stop and move it. And uh and Peter Mr Nark gets out of his car and he's like, listen, Duke, we've been driving around for two hours in circles, getting nowhere fast. And then Duke says, right, let's get out of this place. And then uh, I wrote this exchange down because this was good. Peter says, what are we doing now? Duke says, we're partying, man, something you're too old to appreciate. Huh. If any of you people want to come have some fun, come with us. And then

Peter says, this is ridiculous. Do you even know where you're going, And Duke says, yeah, I'm going nuts. I'm going nuts because I gotta stand here and listen to you so snappy, so snappy. That's that's some some nmit material right there. That's like as sit back from the typewriter and kind of like go ah, yeah, alright, But we come back to the kid. We come back to Billy wandering around. He's going to find the White House as well. Yeah, he wanders around, he finds the White House.

He goes inside, of course, because you know horror movie logic, you just come across what appears to be an abandoned house that is not your house, and you just go in. Yeah, I mean, I guess it's you know, we've talked about tales. So many old tales involved leaving the trail or you know, entering into the wild place where you're not supposed to go, and in stories that involve a haunted house. And essentially this is a haunted house picture. Um, it's just haunted

with random monsters instead of ghosts. Um. It's like people are drawn to it. People will find a reason to go into that haunted house, be it for shelter or for treasure, or in this case, um with with with the main characters for the potential reality of partying right. Uh. And and actually the kid also goes into the house with the for with partying in mind, because apparently so his parents forgot it was his birthday, that's why he ran away from home. He wanders into the house. Uh there.

Oh at this point there's also this is when we start seeing a jawa running around just like a like a child in a in a in a brown hooded cloak. But anyway, Billy the kid, he is in the house and he walks into a room full of birthday party streamers and sad half inflated balloons, and he goes cool. He says, hey, a surprise party, so he didn't forget

after all, This is really great. So the again, the logic of this is that this boy thinks his parents through him a surprise birthday party in a random house that he walked into in the woods. Uh. And then he opens a box that he thinks contains a bowling ball, but in fact it's a head and it is the Warlock's head, and he goes, happy birthday, Billy, mohaha ha And uh yeah, of course there you go but between the the old Warlock who we we find out his

name is Creon. Creon, Yeah, Creon and Billy. Yeah, they have this kind of uh discount Mike and the Tall Man vibe from Phantasm, you know, creepy old man who's mysterious and seems to command supernatural powers. And oh and there's of course there are jawa s creatures in both films. Though of course Phantasm is on certainly on several levels ahead of this, uh, you know, an order of magnitude or two above Spookies in terms of quality. But the thing you can always say on behalf of Spookies is

Spookies has more variety. Uh you know. Uh, the Phantasm may have like three year so interesting kinds of monsters. Spookies has at least nine. Right. So of course, eventually the party kids arrive at the house and they're like, hey, here's a house. Let's go inside and see if there's a party. Uh. Again, this is not the only I gotta say, this is not the only movie where this happens.

This is sort of standard eighties horror movie logic. You just arrive at a place and you think there might be a party there, and so you go inside and try to party, right, And I think Rich has brought like snacks and beer, right, that's another part of it. So they have brought a certain amount of party with them. He has red stripe, and he has chips, and he's consuming them. In almost every scene from here on out.

He's ultimately an optimist here, like like, this is not the party we intended to go to, but we're going to have a party here. We are going to enjoy ourselves in this just obviously haunted house. There's a weird sequence after this where the catman chases Billy birthday boy Billy around, chases him outside, and then like buries him alive.

I think, yes, like yeah, Like watching this for the first time and not really knowing anything about the production, you're thinking, well, Billy's going to be around for a while, but no, the wear a cat ambushes him like like massacures his face like squat, you know, just I don't know if he uses the hook or just his cat clause, but swipes him across the face. There's blood. Billy falls into a Doug grave and then the cat starts burying him alive and buries him alive, and you never see

Billy again. What. Uh, yeah, this plotline does not return. It's just like a like thirteen year old child does get killed like at the beginning of this movie, and then it doesn't connect to anything. It didn't connect anything. Like really speaking, you don't have your you don't have a child be your sort of throwaway victim unless there are other child characters involved and they have a relationship with that child, or you know, the adults have a

relationship with that child. It generally needs to mean something for that to take place, and in this movie it means absolutely nothing. It just seems like an idea somebody started having and then they just got there like Okay, I don't know where I'm going with that, I'm done with that, onto other things. Yeah, And of course this was part of the bit that was filmed afterwards to complete the film, so we can ultimately excuse it that way.

But within the context of the film itself as a as a solid, you know, sort of cohesive viewing experience, Uh, it's it's very alarming. Okay. So now you've got the party kids in the house, and I guess maybe we should mention who all of them are because again, like clearly you're supposed to be getting I think a list of types, you know, your archetypes. So you've got Duke. He's the bad boy, he's the he's the tough guy, bully, wearing plastic bad boy clothes. And then Duke's girlfriend's name

is Linda. She's his his long suffering girlfriend, and she's dressed in these bright eighties colors and spins a lot of the movie rolling her eyes at duke behavior. You know, it's just kind of like, oh, brother, that's our Duke. Then you've got Peter, the you know, the seventy five year old, uh accountant, who I guess maybe you might

think was one of the protagonists. Uh. At first, I thought the protagonist of the film was going to be Peter's girlfriend, Megan, because she at least initially has that sensible protagonist energy in a in a horror movie with the group like this. But I noticed more and more as the movie goes on that that evaporates, and then she mainly becomes characterized by like just making statements of fatalistic despair. She just says things like there's no escape,

every one of us is going to die. Wow. So she starts out as the Sigourney Weaver potential Sigourney Weaver the picture and becomes the Bill Paxton at the picture. Yes, Megan Yeah. The descent of Megan Um, on the other hand, a supremely positive and optimistic force with them. The film is Rich the jokester who's got a puppet who loves beer and chips. Uh, and he just sort of like

he bumbles through every scene. There are moments where he shows flashes of fear, but there are other times where he's being like attacked by a monster and he's just like, yeah, okay, come on, you know, if you're gonna kill me, bring it on. And then we got a couple of characters named Adrian and Dave. Adrian is I think supposed to be a British fancy fashion lady wearing this like cool cream colored jacket, and her boyfriend Dave is like also I think supposed to be a kind of like fancy

rich guy. He's an allergic man with sinus problems. He's wearing a khaki jacket. I think these two are supposed to be fussy and fancy. They're like rich city people who are just over it and they want to get a cab back to soho or whatever. Yeah, yeah, they're kind of what the what are the characters in um Christmas Vacation? Todd and Margot? They're sort of the Todd and Margot of this, Okay, Yeah, they're kind of like

American psycho people. Yeah. Now she's played by Charlotte Alexandria, who is a French actor who apparently did a lot of fairly diverse smattering of film in Europe before coming over and playing this. And in the documentary they mentioned I haven't seen this actually verified anywhere, but they said that she played the Virgin Mary in the Life of Brian. Okay,

but I don't know about that. Uh. And then the last two people there is Carol, who's got curly blonde hair and seems like maybe she is of like a spiritual persuasion. You get the vibe like she could do your horoscope, I think. And then you've got Carol's boyfriend, Lewis, who has no characteristics that I could identify except that he wears denim and I think he's played by somebody

who did some effects for the movie. Yes, yeah, definitely, And there's a lot of that and this, especially when you get into the monsters people in the monster suits are not are not necessarily designated actors. They are also involved in other other parts of the production. Yeah, and here's where you get into like that scene I talked about earlier where they're just like finding things and Duke is just continually turning his attention from one destructive project

to another. Uh. He's like prying open doors and smashing stuff and uh. And at one point somebody's like Duke, stop doing that, and he goes like, I don't care about this old creep joint. Uh. But he gets the door open and and he gets attacked by a desiccated corpse. It's just like a corpse falls out of the closet and he's like, nah, it's fake. The thing about that corpse, this is just so this Yeah, this is just a scene where the corpse falls out of the closet on him.

But later on in the film we see that this corpse is completely articulated and and can be brought to life. There's there's so much love and uh and detail that went into the creation of the various monsters in this So I I will say that that is That's the best thing I can say about this film is that, Yeah, a lot of love went into the creation of these various zombies and corpses and uh, monsters and grim reapers,

whatever the case may be. You know it has. So after this they get into a wegi aboard scene, and this is sort of when all hell breaks loose, right Like they start they find a wegi board. Of course, Carol is the one who's like, oh, I know how this thing works, that it's a tool. She says, it's not a game, it's a tool the dead can reach out to us. And so they play with the wig aboard and the Warlock ends up telling them answers to questions through it, like they ask, will we ever leave

this house? And he says no and then um and then the warlock transforms Carol into a demon by making a vein on his forehead throb and the camera zooms in on the vein on his forehead, and then Carol

turns into like one of the demons from Evil Dad. Right, yeah, yeah, it's it's overtly evil dead ask and uh and oh, and I should point out the wigi board has pictures of the various monsters on it, so I think the wegi board is supposed to be involved in the summoning or unleashing of this various monster, but we don't know

exactly how or why that is the case. One thing I found funny is that the warlock in this movie keeps making chess metaphors for what he's doing, and they're often inappropriate or I don't see how they apply to what he's talking about. Like hes like it's just like a game of chess. But he's referring to trapping everybody in a house. Yeah, do you have to trap your opponent? I mean, I guess you you form traps for people

in ChIL I don't know. It didn't seem super applicable. Yeah, Like, I don't think there's even enough there not aren't quite enough monsters to be an entire chess set anyway, right, But it's close, it's actually pretty close. But here's where you get to the standard. You know, you you probably if you've seen horror movies before, you know the format. After this, the the you know, all hell breaks loose.

Various monsters are unleashed and the party crew barricade themselves inside the house, and they're gonna of course split up and get attacked one by one by by different types of monsters. I like how after they first barricade themselves inside, Peter, the older guy, he it seems he recognizes they have reached this point in the plot and then explains as much. He pretty much says, for the rest of the movie, we will now be picked off one by one. Yes.

And so they split up, like Duke and Linda go one way, and they end up encountering some zombies that keep farting. Uh, we can talk about that if you want. I'm not sure what to make of that scene. Peter and Meghan and Rich go another way, Dave and Adrian stay put. They encounter some gremlins. I think. Yeah, so let's talk about those fart undies. Um, they're they're credited as being the Muckman. Even though they don't look particularly mucky. They look very dry to me, like sort of dry

dog biscuit mummies. Yeah, crumbling and short, short, short crust. Yeah. And it's in a basement and they are wine casts. And ultimately they're defeated by melting them with wine, which is when the effect looks pretty good, I have to say. And the Muckman don't look bad add but clearly at some point in post production and I think the making

of gets into this a little bit. They decided, well, let's add fart noises, and I think the rationale was they look kind of swamp thingy, so maybe swamp equals uh niquals fart noises. Yeah. But but it also reminds me of some behind the scenes stuff I heard about the cartoon Invader Zim where they were talking about putting together a scene and if they didn't feel like the scene was funny enough, they would just keep adding sound effects to it until they were satisfied. And so that's

what this felt like to me. They were like they were thinking, this needs something, this needs something else. Maybe the answer is fart noises. It also reminds me of something I think I recall Stephen King writing years ago about how when he's writing a scene and he and he's trying to make it really scary and he can tell it's just not scary, and he doesn't he can't figure out how to make it work. Then he just

dials up the grossness factor. It's sort of like to to salvage something that he can't otherwise figure out how to make work, just make it disgusting, right, And so that's what they go for here. I don't think it works. It just comes off as kind of awkward and dumb. Um. But I have to say the muckman themselves, I don't

think they look bad. I think they look pretty good, which is, you know the same thing I'd say for most of the creatures in this Well, yeah, I'd say that's the best thing about the movie is at least a solid two thirds of the monsters look great. And you never know what you're gonna get. It's just it's it will be totally unexpected. Uh So, another kind of encounter we get is that the rich, fussy people, Dave and Adrian, they're they're they're sort of being catty at

each other. They're at each other's throats, and then they get groblin. They wait, sorry, is the term gromlin or groblin? Um? I say grom Land, but it's a made up word, so you can certainly say groblin instead. No, No, I want to respect your your your your terminology here gromlin. Yes, So they get Gromlin. They get attacked by a little green rubber gremlin merman with a like fish gator tail.

Uh And there is a long scene of Adrian fighting the Gromlins while synth Funeral Music plays music choice very weird. It's like a shopping mall version of Mozart's Requiem while she's struggling with this little rubber critter. Yeah, it's a it's it's it's actually not a bad scene. Like she's she's good in this fighting making it. It's one of these where a person is often fighting, um, a puppet or fighting just a prop, you know, and acting like it's attacking them. But she she does a good job

with the scene. And then also ultimately the Gromlin looks pretty good. It Uh, it's well designed. It. Um, it's not like it's not Hobgoblin's level. Um, it's maybe a little above that. Yeah, i'd say above Hobgoblins. Definitely below Rimlin's. Maybe on the level of ghoulies. Yeah, yeah, I think

that's fair. Oh No. At some point in here we get an update on the Warlock framing narrative, which which is this probably won't be all that surprising, But it turns out the lady in the coffin, who is being revived by the evil magic of the Warlock, does not want to come back from the dead. She does not like the Warlock guy, and she was just fine with her eternal slumber, not interested in his his satanic, you know, magical deal, and she's just like, get me out of here.

Sometimes dead is better, you know. Yeah. Oh, but but to mention some of the other monster scenes, which which are mostly pretty great. H So Adrian gets attacked by so she beats the Gromlin she like hits it with the fire poker I think, and crushes it with a bookshelf or something, and then she runs off. Then she gets attacked by a different creature. This time it is the creature from the Electric Contestines Lagoon. Very nice looking monster,

very mutac very creative. I don't I can't think of an other film where a monster uses like belly tentacles to not only grab but also electrocute of victim and in doing so melt her face off with like a stop motion effect, which is really nice. There's another monster we get to see I mentioned earlier, like the the zombie Baboon bride Hag, which is where the Warlock lady escapes or you know, the warlocks bride escapes and she she gets away from him, wanders into some catacombs and

then she gets attacked by this baboon creature. Yeah, puppeteer is clearly in shot in the lower left hand corner of the screen at one point. Um but yeah, still still a fun sequence, but probably one of the ultimately one of the weaker looking puppet creatures that we encounter, and also one that doesn't I really don't know what exactly are we going for here now. Somehow, as you mentioned earlier, Duke and Peter end up in a fist fight.

The characters reunite. Megan's like, um, well we're all going to die and that's just how it is, and uh, and Duke is like I want I want to fight, and Peters like okay buck oh and so they just starts slugging it out and uh and does this fight end with Duke dead? I don't recall. I do not remember either. Yeah, I don't remember what actually kills Duke. I think the Grim Reaper does. Oh yeah, because the yeah, like a statue of the Grim Reaper comes to life

and then it attacks them. I think it kills Duke and Peter. The old guy literally dives right through a closed door like bust st Yeah. Yeah, it's always insane enough when someone like throws himself through glass in one of these films, which yeah, I mean people cann and do throw themselves through glass sometimes if the circumstances right, but in movies it takes on an entirely different air. People often pop up completely unscathed. They do it with just on the fly, without a lot of thought. But

in this case, it's not even a window. It's a wooden door. Yeah, that was a nice detail, fortunately made

completely out of balsa wood. Uh. The jokester rich at some point he thought he was going to get killed earlier by one of the evil dead zombies, but then he just keeps wandering around with his beer and his chips, and he eventually wanders into it like a lady leads him into a cave, and then she transforms into a giant spider so I think she's supposed to be like a like a spider woman creature of some type, and she she sucks all his fluids out, which is a

nice effect. It is. It's a nice effect. It's a it's a fun sequence, but also one that raises questions about sort of the the energy economy of this film, because a lot of work went into this they have like a custom Spider Woman layer. There there's a different actor playing this sort of Japanese Jora Gumo spider woman, and she doesn't just she doesn't just like you know, suddenly reveal, oh she has half a spider face or

suddenly she's a spider No. There there's like five stages to this transformation, uh, each one involving some some either impressive or ambitious uh practical effects so uh and that's not even counting the rich head that has then deflated like a balloon when he sucked dry. Yeah, it likes so much like the content is severely like eyebrow raising

but really great effects. But likewise, with the very next scene, which is the Grim Reaper fight on the balcony, like the old guy Peter ends up fighting this, it's just death personified with the scythe This is this is one that definitely reminded me of the key m Peel Grimlin's to Um pitch meeting skit. Uh. There's the one where the guy recommends that Hulk Hogan be in the picture and they're like, whoa hold the phone, You're you're talking

Hulk Hogan, you're pro wrestler. It's it's similar to that. It's like, Okay, we're gonna put the Grim Reaper in this. The personification of death a highly symbolic character that is very rarely actually incorporated into some sort of a film. I mean there are examples of this, obviously, including stuff like Bill and Tad or or I guess what. The Final Destination films to a certain extent without that character

like really appearing on the screen. But for the most part, like the Grim Reaper is, is not a physical entity that you talk about people encountering, unless you're dealing with a property that is being fairly satirical or extremely symbolic. Well wait, sorry, thinking back to the Final Destination movies, does Tony Todd actually play the Grim Reaper or just a guy who knows about the Grim Reaper? Oh? I'm not sure on this. I have a very vague memory of these films, and I don't think I saw all

of them. Tony Todd, of course, as the actor played Candy Man uh and is is a great actor. Yeah, I don't remember if he's just kind of the wise man who knows the ways of death or his death embodied. I recall, like several of those movies have a scene where the characters go they meet him and they're like, hey, what's up. And he's like and he tells them like facts about death. He's like, I don't know, He's just like, did you know? Um? I recall in the first one

he refers to the Grim Reaper as a mac daddy. Now, is Tony Todd? I can't remember. Is Tony Todd wearing like a black robe? Does he have like a scythe pin on his shirt or anything? I don't recall the capacity in which he has encountered in the later films and the first film, I think he plays a guy who is interpreted as a mortuary worker. Like they break into a morgue where one of the people is being kept and he's just there and uh, and he tells them facts about death and then tells them that like

they can't escape death because death is a mac daddy. Well, this thing, I mean, it's a great cameo. Yeah. This Grim Reaper, however, can be defeated. And the way they defeat him is pretty hilarious. Yeah. They like knocking. So Peter I think punches him or somehow knocks him off the balcony and then he explodes just like explodes in

a giant fireball. He's made of gasoline. Yeah, like a truck that has gone off a cliff in an action film or a Mad Max movie or something, and it just burst into a just a big fireball at the bottom. That's what death does when you knock him off a roof. So, uh, there's some more, just sort of like wrapping up the plot kind of stuff. There is a scene at the end that I gotta say, as as much as I enjoyed some of the monster scenes early on, the ending

scene was excruciating. It just goes on and on and on. It's basically a chase where uh, the woman who has been awoken from her eternal slumber by the sacrifices within the house and just trying to escape her like evil warlock husband. She runs out of the house and then zombies keep attacking her and she just keeps running from them, and it's playing this driving synth music that's kind of like good and getting you pumped up at first, but then it just goes on and on and on and on,

and I thought I was gonna start screaming. Yeah, this I had a similar experience like I've been I was kind of really more enthusiastic about these monsters and some of the acting, but then this whole sequence hits and I begin to feel like a little weird, like a little nauseous, you know, like like it was it was getting psychedelic in the bad sense, like this scene is the brown acid, you know, Yes, And it did seem

to go. I don't think it's actually that long. I think it's maybe it's less than ten minutes, but it just feels it's just dragging. It really drags. And then basically at the end we get our nice like sort of crazy dark ending where Creon finally comes bursting up through that grave, the pulsating grave from the beginning of the film. He's laughing maniacally. We cut to the Jawa child laughing maniacally, and then freeze frame on Creon laughing,

and that's the real credits. Yes, and that's spookies. Spookies, you know. I can't stop thinking about your comparison of the Grim Reaper with with the Hulkster from from the Key and Peel skit Um. Something about that is connecting very strongly for me. Yeah, I mean, if you're gonna have the Grim Reaper in your picture. Like I mean, I hate to criticize the one thing that really works about the film, the monster buffet. Like the Grim Reaper

doesn't need to be on the buffet. He like he he needs to be an entree that you order special, like maybe you have a side item with that. But for the most part, like this is the Grim Reaper. He's a big deal. He needs to be your your big bad uh. And instead of just one of the random things summoned by the Luigi board. Yeah, yeah, it could be part of the buffet, but at least needs to be a special part of the buffet. So it's not just like one more thing you scoop out of

a steam tray. It is. It's the roast beef carving station, you know. It's like the special the the endpoint this like this is where the real stuff is. However, I will say the Grim Reaper looks pretty cool. Like all these you can you can question why these monsters are in it, but ultimately all the monsters are pretty fun to look at on screen when they show up. Uh, some of them look great, some of them look ambitious but but interesting. Uh. They are ultimately the stars of

this picture. I want to be a reap of maniac have fun with my family and friends. All right, Well, is there anything you know? Sometimes we do a deeper read of some of the things that some of the aspects of a particular film. But this this film is kind of like a It's like a meta material that that resists any stain or um or or water, affi beads of fixing to it. Everything just runs off of it. There's not a aren't a lot of deep thoughts we can really have about Spookies, but that's all right. It

wicks away cognition, it does. Yeah, don't watch this film if you want to want to have deep thoughts about virtually anything. But if you want to see some some kind of groovy monsters, it's it's worth taking a look at, which leads to our next point, where can you watch Spookies? Well again, Vinegar Syndrome put out an awesome blue ray of the movie, especially if you're a hardcore spooky fan.

That's what you need to pick up. Uh. It's a four K restoration from the thirty five millimeter original camera negative pack full of special bonuses. But you can also stream this film via shutter or a MC yes, American movie Classics, because this is Spookies after all. Is there a Criterion Collection edition? And I'm sorry I keep making that joke. Vinegar syndrome is your Criterion addition for for

films like this. I promise I'll stop now, Okay, alright, Well, we're gonna go ahead and close the tomb on this one and and try and see let's shut But certainly we'll be back with another Weird House Cinema episode next Friday. I believe we're gonna be talking about a film of of superior quality, both objectively and subjectively speaking. But in the meantime, you can check out all these episodes of Weird Hout Cinema that published on Friday's and the Stuff

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