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Hey, welcome to Weird House Cinema. My name's Rob Lamb.
And I'm Joe McCormick. In Today's the Day. I get to admit that, you know, Rob, sometimes I just want to live in a cyber panic movie from the early nineties.
Why is that?
Well, there were a lot of movies like these, and something about them is so cool, these movies from like say nineteen eighty nine to nineteen ninety five or so that we're clearly obsessed with the thrilling and terrifying potential of email and the World Wide Web and usually for
some reason, virtual reality at the same time. So one of the greats in this genre is Hackers, which came out in Night teen ninety five, full cast of Matthew Lillard's and associated Lillardians all just hacking it up, hacking with joysticks, hacking with video game controllers. They square off against Fisher Stevens in a hacker versus hacker battle. It's absolutely glorious. This is an all time great, worthy of an episode of its own someday.
Yeah. I never saw this one, but this one, Hackers is like, really, really attractive, cool hacker dudes and chicks battling it out right.
Absolutely, they're like super punk. And that's a thing that these early nineties movies really like. They're made by adults who don't know how to use email and they're scared of it, but they're writing a movie about it, and so you know, they can't tell the difference between say, like anarco punk subculture and kids who know how to use computers. It all just blends together for them, so like computers and hacking are basically the same as skateboarding and graffiti.
And I guess it's probably complicated too by the existence of cyberpunk as a genre that tends to have the punk elements and industrial elements combined with some of these the same cutting edge technological ideas, right.
And then, of course, another nineteen ninety five movie was The Net, which had Sandra Bullock. She watched Sandra Bullock get caught in the Net. This is one where the hacker becomes the hacked. Sandra Bullock plays like a computer nerd who is so obsessed with computers she even orders pizza over the internet. Can you imagine. And then it's supposed to like just absolutely melt your mind with this concept.
But then somebody hacks her back and a deadly game of hacking cat and mouse, ensus she has to like run around, and you know, there was a common thing. It shows up in the movie We're going to be
talking about today as well. There's a common thing in these early nineties cyber panic movies that that, like, by hacking into a computer or an electrical grid, you could always get a full like blueprint schematic of any building and have access to all of the appliances in that building and control over them.
Yeah, it's just absolute power. And of course, this is the confusing thing about all of this, it is that is that, yes, there there are concerns about hacking, hackers being able to access things like, you know, electrical grid systems and infrastructure and so forth. Like these are not in and of themselves unrealistic concepts, but the ease of access is often way overstated, or it's or certainly it's it's visually presented to the audience in a way that seems to simplify it.
Yeah, and a lot of times it's hard to tell whether the oversimplification that's going on of the computer stuff in these nineties movies, whether that is is just trying to make the story go along more smoothly. You know, they're simplifying it in the same way that you would have you know, technobabble in any other science fiction movie that's massively oversimplified, just to make it clear. Okay, here's what the plot stakes are. Now we can move on.
Or whether it's just like people had no idea what they were talking about.
Right, Yeah, there's always that element of yeah, they don't really they know it's cutting edge and they know that we should be afraid of it to some extent, but that's it doesn't go a lot deeper than that. But of course the fear is key, I mean, because you're
dealing with science fiction. Really in all these cases, even in something like The Net, it is about modern day anxieties and fears over where technology is taking us, and this concern that technology will not just purely reflect the best of us, but will also reflect the worst of us, and the worst of humanity will be tied up in it. And really the movie we're going to look at today is a very literal exploration of the latter theme.
Right, So today we're going to be talking about an early ninety cyber panic movie that came before Hackers, before the Net. It is Rachel Talalay's Ghost in the Machine from nineteen ninety.
Three, not to be confused with nineteen ninety five's Ghost in the Shell. Mamoru Oshi's anime adaptation of Massive Mooney Shiros nineteen eighty nine manga.
Nothing really I've never seen. I know it's quite popular. It's is it also about like people getting their brains in computers?
I mean yeah, to the extent that yeah, I mean to a certain extent, but it's like it's total like futuristic cyberpunk anime and really quite good, especially especially the first two films that came out, Ghost in the Shell and Ghost in the Shell too. There's a lot of other stuff out there they did, like a TV series, but yeah, I mean it's it's it's pivotal cyberpunk anime for sure, Okay, but it.
Like full on embraces like like deep future thinking about the you know, extreme possibilities. This is not like there's a demon in the ATM, which is probably the speed we're talking about.
Yeah. Yeah, this So this is Ghost in the Machine from nineteen ninety three, which I have to mention is one year after The Lawnmower Man, which of course, is the virtual reality film that is ever so loosely, ever so loosely based on a Stephen Kings short story about a man who eats grass.
Could you even say based? I mean, I don't even know what is the same other than the fact that there is a lawnmower in it.
Yeah, virtually nothing. I feel like there might have even been some thread where they had to like remove King's name from it. I don't know there was a I'm not sure if that's that's true or not, but it was supposedly a Stephen King adaptation, but it was just this, you know, crazy virtual reality cyber escape film.
Okay, So I got to give the elevator pitch on Ghost in the Machine, and I was looking at the VHS box art, and I feel like I cannot do any better than the copy on the VHS. So I got to read straight from that. Last night, a serial killer died. His body was laid to rest, but his soul has come online, free to continue his reign of terror by using electronic circuitry. The serial killer's next target is the unsuspecting Terry Monroe. Karen Allen and her teenage son.
Their only chance for survival is with the help of a brilliant quote computer hacker. In this suspenseful techno thriller, terror strikes when it's least expected, and the only cure for this virus is to destroy it.
All right, Well, well, let's let's go the next step and just have a splash of that audio trailer.
Oh. I think it'll probably repeat some of the same words I just said, So ready yourself. This is good to beforing terry.
Oh is this I'm.
Killing your friends? Looks like there were someone else in there with us.
The killer died in this.
And it was plugged into your computer. There's no way anyone can kill somebody with a computer ghost in the machine, plug into your worst nightmare. Man. I love that trailer, so so so good. When I was reading about this movie, I hadn't seen it yet, and so I had to. I watched the trailer to see, like, is this gonna be worth watching? And that pulled me in hard.
Yeah, I agree. When you sent the trailer to me. When I when I watched it all the way through, I'm like, yeah, I think this is going to be it. I think Joe's gonna gonna go for this one once he gives it a test run.
So I guess maybe we should start by talking about some of the people of Note, and then we can talk about the plot a little bit and then get into some ideas and connections. And I guess the best place to start is with the director, Rachel Talala, who is the brain behind a number of great Bad Taste classics. For example, Yeah, fred Freddy's Dead, the Final Nightmare. It was not the final one, but it was the sixth one.
It came out in nineteen ninety one, and in a minute, I wanted to talk about how she worked her way up to directing that movie. But if you don't remember which one that is, it's the one where Robert England has become a full on, just stand up comedian or maybe more applicably applicably a prop comic. He's like Carrot Top in this movie, just full comedian jokes as he kills people.
Like he kills so that he can make puns at this point y right.
Yeah, absolutely, I remember this movie also, for some reason, has Tom Arnold and Roseanne Barr, and I think they're just cameos.
The only thing I remember about it is that it had a notable or I think it was notable in a goya Avita scene where they're playing iron butterflies in a goya Avita and there's like Freddy's coming out of televi vision or something, or maybe somebody sucked into a television I don't remember.
Yeah, that sounds right. Another movie she made one that I haven't seen but I really want to see now because reading about it it sounds pretty great. Is tank Girl from nineteen ninety five. This is a sort of post apocalyptic Warrior of the Desert movie.
Yeah, now, tank Girl. I remember when it came out, and I remember catching clips of it, either there were just clips on a clip show where maybe I saw part of it on TV, and I remember like really digging it and wanting to see it at the time, because you know, it has all these crazy elements going on, and you got Malcolm mcdowe with some sort of a crazy robot arm.
He's like an evil corporate overlord who like's trying to buy up all the water, yeah.
In the desert for some reason. You've got I think it's a post apocalyptic like a commets hit the earth or something. You got Iced Tea as a Ripper, which is like a mutant kangaroo person, and then you got Lori Petty as tank Girl, who was just you know, overflowing with manic energy and nineties coolness along with just
you know, just a cool aesthetic vibe to it. So I remember, I remember really wanting to see it, and then I didn't see it, and by the time it had become available to watch on VHS or whatever, I had forgotten about it. So I I've never actually seen
it all the way through. I think I picked it up a time or two, and the bad taste aspect came into play, Like like you said, some of these films are kind of bad taste films where you know there's maybe some bits of it are a little bit cruder than you think they're going to be, and you just I don't know. In my case, I might have decided previously, like I don't know if I'm in the
mood for this right now. I after we finished, after I finished watching Ghost in the Machine, I put Tank Girl back on again because it's as is this recording available on Amazon Prime in the in the United States, and I have to say it's it's I'm enjoying it thus far. There continue to be some of those those bad taste touch points where I'm like, oh, this is kind of a mixed bag, but there are things about it that I like. So we'll see. I'm gonna probably keep watching it.
Well, So she's got a new movie out just this year called A Babysitters Guide to Monster Hunting, which I haven't seen, but looking at her resume, it seems like in recent years Taloy mostly directs TV episodes, including episodes of Chilling Adventures of Sabrina, of Sherlock, and of course of Doctor Who, so our beloved Hoovioids out there? Like, what do you think of her episodes? I think they're mostly in the Peter Capaldi seasons.
I don't think they're called hoovioids though, I think I think, no, that's it. That's what it is, all right.
Yeah.
Yeah, she's done a great deal of TV work, though, Like it's just a lot of top tier genre stuff. I know, she did an episode of Doom Patrol, which is a show that I've been enjoying.
Yeah, Talla has got a pretty interesting career trajectory. So, like both of her parents were scientists and starting sometime in her childhood. I think she was like four years old. She was living in Baltimore because both of her parents were working at Johns Hopkins, and according to her bio on IMDb, she studied mathematics at Yale and then went to work for a while as like a computer programmer at Johns Hopkins. Somehow she got connected with John Waters.
I don't know if this is a being in Baltimore thing. I guess in you know, there's always a chance you'll stumble into a marilynd Nest of John Waters's. Somehow she did. However, they got connected. Tala ended up working with the John Waters crew, and so she also worked with John Waters associates like Divine as a production assistant on Polyester and then on movies like Hairspray and cry Baby. At some point, John Waters was the officiant at Talalay's wedding, which is an amazing honor.
That's a good get.
Yeah yeah. And then from there she ended up working on the production of a number of the Nightmare on ELM Street movies for New Line Cinema. So I think the way it worked. I watching an interview with Talay that she did for Netflix, recently, and she started in the first night Mare on ELM Street movie as a location manager, and then in the subsequent films she just
kept working her way up. She was production manager, then line producer, then producer, and then eventually by Freddy six she was like, well, I'm going to direct and she did.
Oh wow.
But also in this interview, she talks about how when she was a kid, she was obsessed with movies, like she wanted to tap dance along with fred Astaire, but she realized she couldn't tap dance. She wanted to sing like Barbara streisand she wanted to be like in the way we were, but she couldn't sing. But movies provided this fantasy framework in which she could imagine living out the things she wanted to do, and so she got
very into the idea of working in the movies. And apparently her her parents strongly encouraged her and I guess all of their children to go into the sciences, like they bought them microscopes and wanted them to go to university and all that, and she says she very much rebelled against this kind of encouragement. She wanted to push off into the arts and while the arts were her passion. Her parents actually did convince her to go to college,
so she, like I said, she majored in math. I think they expected she would end up working for IBM or have some kind of tech career. But after she completed her education and worked in Cytech for a bit, she migrated to these passion projects, which at the time wore low budget horror films. And she talks about how her parents were not huge fans of these movies.
But that's great that she has the like the mathematical and programming background going into this film, yeah.
Which is hilarious, which makes me think, Okay, so Rachel Talalay understood how computers work. Now, I was like, she didn't write the script for this movie. So yeah, that is a lot of the really off the wall stuff about how the computers and the electrical grid and everything work. You know, that's not out of her brain, but at least she seems comfortable with it. So I'd say that
this is a narrative convenience. And you know, another thing about her movies is that you never get the sense that she's taking anything too seriously, Like she wouldn't necessarily get hung up on plausibility, questions about how the technology works. I feel more like her style is very much in the flare.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, certainly like this is This is a movie that, yeah, has some dumbness to it, but but it has a lot of style to it. Some of the style, I don't know. You might you might have needed to be a television viewer in the nineties to get it all and to feel, you know, a sense of nostalgia for it. But it's it's evident.
Now. As for the cast, You've got some great luminaries here. The main character in this movie, Terry Monroe, is played by Karen Allen, and hey, what's not to love about Karen Allen? She's always great. She's I would say she's great in this But her character, the way it's written is basically Kathy from the comic strip. She's just like computers, computers act.
Yeah. I was instantly the scene where she goes into a computer store. I was instantly reminded of the Everything is Terrible video Woman versus Computer. Have you seen this?
Yeah, we're It's some kind of early nineties training video that's about like, why can't why are computers so hard for women to understand.
Yeah, And so she kind of embodies this kind of attitude in this.
Was that a thing even back then? Did people actually think that?
I mean, they made that video. I'm to assume that was kind of the vibe that at least some people thought and thought and decided to market things around it. But yeah, yeah, I mean that's basically her character in this. But I mean she's still Karen Allen. She's always going to be Mary and Raven Wood from Raided to the Lost Arc, So she's she's kind of untouchable in my book. You know, this doesn't doesn't take anything away from her.
She's an oddly ground presence because this movie is both tonally and conceptually absolutely bonkers, Like it is full of like bad taste and just exceeding weirdness, but the down to earth charm of Karen Allen somehow makes it seem less off the wall than it would otherwise.
Yeah. Yeah, she's totally believable as this working mom who's, you know, just trying to keep it together between work and this kid who will get to in a bit, oh I can't. And then of course other worldly hackers messing with their life on top of everything.
Right, and then you've got another character who's played by this guy, Chris Mulky. He plays a hacker, a good hacker named Bram Walker. They just had to name him Brahm. I don't know something about that. It's very funny. But Chris Mulky is like, he's like sinister Bill Murray. Do you need Bill Murray? But less funny and more possibly of a criminal element. Here's your guy.
Yeah, he looks kind of like Bill Murray, but he has straight up has Alec Baldwin's voice. Like a few times I looked away from the screen I heard his voice and I thought it was Jack Donagy from thirty Rock. You know, he has such that same gravelly voice.
Oh that's exactly right.
Yeah, he's an actor who, especially in this film, but I think in general he tends to have that overpowering divorced cop vibe to him. So he plays that sort of character a lot. Yeah, but he's been in a ton of stuff, like lots of stuff that is not even worth mentionings just you know, a very full professional
resume of work on TV and film. He was in Twin Peaks, and more to the point, he was in Dreamscape, which is a wonderful film and that we'll have to think about doing someday, as well as Runaway, the nineteen eighty four Michael Crichton Tiny Robot Movies starring Tom Sellick, Cynthia Rhodes, Gene Simmons, and Christia Halley.
I do not know anything about this movie. I don't think I even knew this existed, so well, we should revisit that. But I was thinking about how in Twin Peaks they bring in Chris Smulk as a Level three bad guy, because you know how in the first season of Twin Peaks there's this constant escalation of like some guy you think is a really scary guy, but then
there's another guy that he's even scared of. And so I don't remember the other characters' names, but like the really bad ponytail guy is afraid of off brand Bill Murray.
We'll have to take your word for it, because you know, I haven't actually sat down and watched Twin Peaks yet. Oh wow, Oh okay, it's on the list. It's just hard to make time for it. I want to watch it, but I don't know. That seems like a lot of show.
So there's a cameo in this movie by the guy who plays Toby Ziegler on the West Wing. Richard Schiff is the actor's name, and in this movie he plays an MRI technician whose voice gets featured in the credits. So you might have heard it just a minute ago because he's actually operating the machinery in the movies Pivotal, She's Gonna Blow scene.
Hah, Yeah, I looked him up. He was also in Tank Girl, so oh, okay, I'm not sure what the exact connection there was, but he's in both of those films and did parts.
A repeat talaa player.
Yeah.
But this movie, so we mentioned Tallay didn't write it. It was written by two bills, William Davies and William Osborne. And so you looked at these guys up.
Yeah, yeah, these are the guys who wrote Twins and Stop or My Mom Will Shoot.
Stop or my Mom Will Shoot yep.
And then Osbourne went on to write The Scorpion King, and Davies went on to write the screenplay for How to Train Your Dragon and in various other projects. I think he recently was the writer on a TV series titled A Letter to the King, which I think my wife was watching and said was quite good. So, yeah, these are accomplished screenplay writers here.
Interesting. Now, this movie has original music by somebody named Graham Revel, and when I saw his name in the opening credits, I knew I recognized it from somewhere. And it took me a minute, but I figured out where. Actually Revel has done tons of movie scores, including in this One's for you Rob movies. Apparently he's a repeat
collaborator with Riddick director David Toohey. But I realized that where I knew his name from was back when I used to listen to the original motion picture soundtrack of The Crow, which now this is kind of confusing because I think he did the original score that appeared in The Crow, and most of the music on that soundtrack is like pop music. It's got Burned by the Cure, which is fantastic, but it's also got nine inch nails,
Jesus and Mary chain. It is. It is music to resent your parents, to love you mom and dad, nothing, no hard feelings.
No no I feel you on that. I definitely had had this soundtrack as well. My wife had it. We sometimes talk about it because what will happen is will be like, oh, man, what are we going to listen to on this drive. Let's put the Cure soundtrack on. Let's that was a great, great soundtrack, and I think when you dip back into it, you tend to find that was a soundtrack that had one or two songs
that I really liked back in the nineties. But yeah, it does have some good tracks on it, and certainly at the time it was, it was a really solid soundtrack album.
Yeah, I mean, definitely that Cure song, it's like the first track on it is amazing. Then you get into like some Rallins band stuff that you know you could take release.
I don't know. I love that Rollin band song Oh okay, ghost Rider. I think it was called yeah.
Oh okay. So that's the highlight for you.
Well, it was one of the highlight I liked it. I liked it back in the day. I don't really like it's not in regular rotation these days.
But so he does the original music for this movie, and it's it's funny because the music that plays in the opening credits very much makes me think this is vapor Wave of twenty five years ahead of its time, which is weird because you could just say that this is what vapor Wave is supposed to be, a copy or a satire on. But then again, I feel like a very important feature of vapor Wave is that it's a photo copy of some thing that never exactly existed
in the first place. So this movie in some ways has aspects of a missing original.
Really, you got a vapor Way vibe from the soundtrack to this movie.
The opening credits music, yeah, a little bit. Oh, okay, this is very you remember them when the terminator font is showing all the names and it's very chill.
Now, I have to say that the music in this film, it's as if it didn't exist. It was just so I mean, I'm sure it was fine, and maybe I was just distracted when I first heard it put it on, But yeah, this is one of those scores that is perfectly competent, but I barely thought about it, you know, it was like purely functional for me.
Okay, Well, let's round out the cast before we get into the plot.
So wait, so you have a you have another note in here. We have to touch on about the Revel.
Oh, Revel is sometimes a collaborator with the guy I can't remember his real name, but Lust Mord see.
Now this surprises me because because again this is such a forgettable soundtrack, I mean, such a forgetable score. And the idea that he also works with lust Mord, I mean that that reveals there's you know, a there's a lot more depth to revel here. But also yeah, that's a start contrast. Like if les Mord had done the soundtrack for this film, I'd probably be raving about it.
Yeah, so this movie, Yeah, well I do want to call out, like I'm not singling out. The original score for this film is all that notable, except in the opening credits where it sounds like vaporwave.
But I'm gonna have to revisit it. I may have I may have been distracted.
Maybe I'm losing my mind. Who knows. Jessica Walters in this movie. We should have mentioned that earlier. Lucille Bluth, the matriarch of Arrested Development.
Yeah, she basically plays Lucille Bluth in this as well. Just it's a part. It seems written for her. It plays to her strength. She's kind of she's she's Karen Allen's fussy mother, and she's doing things like like buying proper khaki pants for the teenager.
Yeah, she's like a human glass of prosecco. She's just constantly she's turning her nose up at everything so hard that her neck's gonna break.
Yeah. Yeah, she's not in this much, but she's great in the scenes that she's in, for sure.
But then we should get to the real I think the star of this cast, which is which, which is the child of Karen Allen in this movie, who is straight out of a game Boy commercial. He's like skateboard backwards, hat, flannel shirt tied around the waist, early nineties adults perception of what a cool kid is like. And he is totally radical.
Yes, he is poochy in human form. He's wearing all the he's wearing all the poochy clothes. Like you say, he's cool to the max. He's he's talking crap to his mom. He's too cool for his mom. Let His loves include creeping on the teen neighborhood girl who's also like a babysitter, and then all so he loves nineties hip hop, and actually he seems to have a really good taste in nineties hip hop, Like if you just look at the songs featured in this movie, you're like, oh, man,
this has a great soundtrack. Well, it's just incidental music every time you go into Kid Pooci's room. But he also likes softcore robot video games. There's one really cringey scene he's powering that up.
God, that was hard to watch.
Yeah, there are a few scenes featuring Kid Poochie here that do not elect a groan I have to say. I mean, he's fine as a kid actor and nothing against horn f here, but yeah, this kid is just straight up poochie. Yeah, and I guess we should also point out that the killer in this film, who will talk about a bit more as we proceed here, is played by an actor named Ted Marko.
Would you say Markku Markux.
Yeah, so he he's one of these guys. Look him up on IMDb and there's not even a photograph of him. But he's done a lot of work and a lot of voiceover nar including for episodes of Nova and the series called Killer Unknown. And that seems like the perfect combination considering this film.
Yeah, so the movie, the plot really starts with the killer here. I guess if we want to get into the plot or are you ready?
Yeah, it's good, let's dive right in.
So of course they're opening credits with what would you guess it shows in the opening credits, it's like weird animations, ridiculous drawings of circuit boards, and it's playing the music that you did not agree was vapor wavesque and is showing the names of all the people who worked on the movie in the terminator fond like the font that scrolls over Ronald Schwarzennigger's eyes when he's looking at the
world and it's all red. And then it just comes up on the killer parking his car outside a house. He's this evil murderer and he's eating a pixie stick and you see him creeping.
Basically, Yeah, he's got a trunk full of knives, which is pretty impressive. Like, wow, that's quite a kill kit.
You got there, right, And then we meet our main characters. I think we meet Kid Pouchi before we meet Karen Allen. Oh, because Poochie is pulling a con. Poochi and his best friend are trying to pull a like lotto cyber scam on their basketball coach. Yeah, and so he's trying to trick his basketball coach into buying a fake lottery ticket and that they do some some phone freaking to trick him into thinking it's real.
Oh yeah it was. It was phone freaking, right, yeah, which is kind of like the the immediate predecessor to hacking.
Yeah. So we meet kid Poochie and we meet Karen Allen, and then we come back to see the work of the Evil Killer. And it's one of those things where it it pulls, you know, the camera pans up on apple pie and baseball. How wholesome.
Literally there's a whole apple pie on the counter and next to it is a baseball glove that when I think a baseball in it, which is it's just a superposition of terrible and brilliant. I'm not sure like where to go with it, Like it's either incredibly stupid or it's just it's just positioned appropriately within the context of this film. I can't decide.
Oh no, I mean I think it's right. I mean it's hard to talk about exactly, like what the I don't think you could argue this movie is good, Like this movie is definitely bad, but it's like the kind of bad movie that's made by smart people. It's like it has a certain wink, a sparkle in its eye about all of the pie and the bases ball and then panning over to the murder scene.
Yeah. Absolutely.
But then we go to one of my favorite early scenes, which is this is I just want to give so many chef kisses. This scene is what these types of movies are all about. And it's Karen Allen and Kid Poucy are shopping for a gift for Karen Allen's boss at a computer store, and so they're trying to buy desktop software quote desktop software, and guy the salesman there is like showing them how all the desktop software works.
I think he's trying to sell them on a computer program called the Paper Warrior.
And Karen Allen the whole time is like computers, How do computers work? Yeah? I do not like computers.
Ac act she hates it. But the kid is all fascinated because he loves technology, and he's like, oh, he walks up to there's a guy in the computer store repairing a bunch of technology, and the kid goes up and wants to touch it. And then the guy doing the repairs is all creepy, and then you get your first indication like could this be the murderer we saw earlier, and of course the murderer works at the computer store.
It's absolutely the murderer.
But the guy's like demonstrating this handheld scanner that scans address books into the computer in nineteen ninety three, I don't know about that.
Yeah, then this would be key because we find out a little later this is the address book killer. This is what he does. Yeah, he like steals address books, scans address books, and kills people based on their addresses in the address book. Is that right?
Yeah? I think so. It's just like he goes down the page in the address books and kills everybody in there.
Yeah. It's like somebody saw Terminator and somebody saw Manhunter, and they kind of very loosely combined the villains of both into one being here.
Right, And then next we're going to meet off brand Bill Murray. So we cut away to Bill Murray arriving at a company called data Net. And that's another thing I love about these movies is the names of the companies where, you know, the computer companies and networks and systems. Could have been Cystech, could have been data Net, could have been cyber Net, could have been oh wait, that's actually from a movie.
Yeah, that's that's terminator, right.
But Bill Murray shows up and he is wet, he's been like rained on and he's like, hey, I'm here for the job. And there's this guy who's I guess his boss now and is just is like you thought you were so smart. And we find out that this Bill Bill Murray character, his character's name is Bram Walker, and he's like a former Robin Hood hacker of some kind. What was the deal that we find out he did.
He did some sort of a hack on the I R S. So you know, he was technically a criminal, but he was going after the bad guy. So and now he's turned like full white hat hacker.
Yeah, and this scene's just full of stuff. The boss is like openly saying like you used to think you were so smart, Well now I'm your boss.
I believe this is also the scene where one of the characters refers to something as being controversial or as hated quote as Howard Stern, which is nicely cements it in the time.
I think they're talking about junk mail, like this company is like this company like basically spams people's paper mailboxes. Okay, I'm not sure why they're called data net if they do. But they've got a bunch of computers too. Maybe they need the most high powered computers in the world in order to spam people's mailboxes.
Oh yeah, because that's the thing. They have some crazy advanced computers here.
So some stuff. We meet, some more characters, We meet Lucille Bluth. But then the next big thing that happens is that the killer is on his way to do something. Is he coming to murder Karen Allen? For some reason, I think that's implied that he's like going to her house.
I think so, yeah, he's he's on the way.
But on the way we sort of get a disx Mackina. You know, this movie is called Ghost in the Machine, but it features several god out of the machines. He gets into a car crash and he's like, he rolls down a hill and he smashes through a graveyard and it's one of those great things where the killer's like, you know, he's crashing his car and he's laughing the whole time to show how twisted he really is.
It's like, yay death.
Yeah, And this is funny because this ties into a real thing. There's a part where he smashes through a graveyard and like knocks over a bunch of headstones, which is something that I saw happen firsthand in reality one time. Oh really, yeah, I was out here in town. I was out for a walk through one of the local graveyards. And I think it was a kid and his mom. There were practicing driving, so he must have, you know,
be a learner's permit or something. And they were in one of the driveways of the graveyard and they were sitting in the car for a while, and then the kid is in the driver's seat. He gradually starts accelerating and then just speeds up, goes over the curb, and like knocks over like six headstones, and then they come to a stop. Everybody was okay, nobody was harmed, but they did cause some some graveyard damage, and I remember feeling extremely bad and embarrassed for that kid.
Now, the killer in this does some graveyard damage and sustain some grave damage himself, right.
That's right. So you know, they take him to the hospital. He's dying. They put the body in an MRI. Is that normally what they do to you when you're like on the verge of death is the pagentity.
He's about to die. Get him in the MRI.
I don't know, maybe there'd be some reason to do that, but they put him in the MRI. And again Richard Schiff Toby Ziegler is an MRI technician. And then lightning strikes and there's a power surge.
Yes, and this scene is great because we have a convergence of often poorly understood natural phenomena, misunderstood technology, and of course the brain itself. So of course lightning can make an MRI machine straight up jack your brain and upload it not only into the Internet but into the electrical grid and everything else.
Yeah, and this sets up the rest of the movie. So the title Ghost in the Machine is completely literal the premise of this film, like the title, is also the elevator pitch for the movie. It is that there's literally a killer's ghost uploaded to an Internet and inside all of the machines.
Now, yeah, and he can do everything. And now he's not you know, he can't be everywhere at once. He has to travel around through your circuitry and your computers from this screen to that screen. But wherever he goes he has like full access and can do absolutely whatever. He wants even if the is kind of a maximum overdrive principle in place here, like even if it's not a thing that you could actually hack, you know, like
you can he can manipulate physical buttons and whatnot. But yeah, but it's not a concern for him because he has absolute power, right.
I Like another premise here in the scene is that when you die, you turn into a screen saver.
Yeah, And I actually really love these scenes there. There are all these flashy scenes of the Killer as an MRI GIF of a skull, you know, where it's like flowing back and forth. It's pretty cool. Shades of the Killer from RoboCop two. What's his name, Cane? Yes, you know tom Noon, where if you're digitized, you're just this distorted madness, you know. And all of these graphics, not only these graphics of the Killer himself, but him moving
around through various systems. It reminds me a lot of the computer graphics that were really popular and cool at this time. I'm thinking MTV stuff like Liquid Television, but also the Mind's I vhs and possibly DVD series. Did you remember seeing ads for these or anything?
I Mean, they have a look that is very familiar to me, but I don't think I ever saw these things in particular. They are from a time in which there was a lot of stuff, you know, just interstitial material on TV and stuff that looked like this.
Yeah, mind's eye worth looking up if you're into this sort of thing. I think most of them have been uploaded in full onto YouTube. But it's just a bunch of sort of psychedelic and surreal short CGI films of the time. And it's anyway, this film reminded me of that stuff a lot.
Yeah. So so here we're set up for the rest of the movie where you can probably kind of guess what happened, especially if you've ever seen the movie Shocker, which was directed by Wes Craven, which there are a lot of similarities in the plot here. That's also about a killer who gets sucked into the electrical grid and just like takes over machines and kills people.
Which is the better film?
Ooh? I mean it's funny. They're both bad, they're both in bad taste, but they both have their their sort of stylistic pleasures. I mean, they're both highly entertaining, fun funny bad movies in bad taste.
Okay, but this one has Karen Allen, so.
That's true, though, the other one has the guy who plays Skinner from The X Files. He's the killer.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, he's pretty great.
Yeah and he man, he just like eats miles of the scenery in that movie.
He's like, a yeah. Everybody's pretty restrained for the most part in this film, except for possibly Kid Poucci.
I guess Kid Poochy. Yeah, Kid Poochy, Like, oh, so. The next thing that happens in the movie is we get the Chekhov's gun of the film, which is that Kid Poochy has a has a program of some kind on a floppy disc, one of the kinds that was actually floppy, and Caroen Ellen like sticks it to the refrigerator door with a magnet and he and Kid Poochy finds this and he whines about it. He's like, ma, you wiped out my new program. You never put computer discs near a magnet.
Oh yeah, that was great. It's like right away, you're like, yep, this is how they killed the bag. This is totally it.
Why would you say that otherwise?
Like that scene in Jaws where they're like, never shoot it at an oxygen tank with a rifle. What's the matter with you?
Tanks are gonna blow up. Why would a movie explain how something works like that unless it's gonna be used to defeat the killer? Yeah, but so here just from here on, just like hijinksinsu Like the killer is in the main frame and people are hacking the main frame, and I think he starts going down. Karen Allen's digitized a dress book because it's been scanned in with the scanner and killing everybody in her address book like he did when he was alive.
Right, Yeah, and the kills in this we'll get into some of the details of them. It's basically Final Destination, you know, final for Final Destination is this film without any of the fun weird stuff, because final destination films are all about like what if you put your hand into a garbage disposal and then it turned on? Or what if accidents happened and they were graphic and fatal, And of course in this film, our ghost in the machine is engineering those moments.
Right in Final Destination, just there's this implication of this impersonal figure of like death that's making all these things happen in this movie. It's literally just a guy's ghost.
Yeah, which again I have to say final Destination's that's bs because the death doesn't even make any fun puns, right, yeah, Lane.
So then we get Kid Poochie and his friend being pervy teens and and then there's a great scene where the killer starts like trying to mess with Kid Poochi by sending him emails. But in this movie, quote email is something where you need to know someone's quote number to contact them, and there's like real time typing in chat. So it's emailed. You can see what the words appearing as they are typed. Okay, yeah, yeah, great and god, so there's just this middle section of the movie where
all this mischief is going on. The killers like messing with people and sometimes killing people. I guess before we get to the VR scene, there is Oh, there's a great scene where Kid Poochy just spills oreos all over the place. It's just an oreo nightmare.
Yeah yeah, Mom walks in and he's just got oreos all over the counter and just eating them off, the oreos like an absolute animal. And it's just another one of these scenes were like, oh, come on, poor Karen Allen, like this kid, he's not the worst, but he's a handful.
Yeah. And then Bram Walker eventually makes contact with Karen Allen's character because I think the premise is that the killer has been messing around in data nets computers, and he has noticed that the killer is obsessed with Karen Allen. So he comes to her house and he's like, all this stuff about you keeps coming up in our files and her response is like, but I hate computers, Leave me alone. I think she has this line where she says something like, you give us Tickeatron and bank machines.
But then we get some kind of big brother. Yeah, was Ticketron a real thing? Or is that made up for the movie Ticketron?
It sounds made up. Yeah, I'm happy to be corrected, but it really sounds made up.
But so yeah, then we're in full final destination mode and so the killer is just going after people. Now. I have to say, unfortunately, this is another movie or it didn't pick these on purpose for them to be this way. This is another movie like Boggy Creek two that does not pass the does the dog die test yes or does the dog survive test? Whatever you want to call it. This this movie unfortunately does kill a dog. It doesn't happen on screen.
Right, but it happens off screen, and I have to say it breaks the dog rule in just absolute style. It's just a terrific scene. I'm not a big fan of dog deaths in movies either. I'm not a dog person, but I'm not crazy for them or anything. But this is clearly the best dog death ever in a motion picture.
First, just like the dog kind of deserves it.
It's weird, yeah, yeah, like they kind of go Friday the Thirteenth on it, where you know, where you imply or you show that this particular character is promiscuous and therefore somehow deserving of death, which you know, that's a whole topic onto itself, but in here it's in dog form because we firmly establish that our hero's dog is just a perf. Right, because here's what happened. So the killer at first, I thought, oh, he wants to get rid of the dog, so, you know, because the dog
is the first line at the fence. But then I realized he probably just wants to kill the dog just because he's going down the list right right. So what he does is he, you know, he jacks into the house and he turns on the TV in the house and turns it to a channel that is like an all dog channel, and so the actual dog in the house is like, oh, I've got to watch this, runs into the living room and it's so excited by this the footage of another dog that he starts humping the
coffee table. Yeah. And then I'm trying to remember what happens is there's something where he makes something else fly at the dog's head.
Yeah, something like that, like a phone or so. Somehow we end up outside in the backyard.
Yeah, startles the horny dog outside by the pool, Okay, and then there's ominous music cutaway when we find out later somehow he further got the dog into the pool and then managed to turn on the automated cover for the pool, which is not a hard cover. This is not like one of those James Bond films where it's like a metal cover that goes over the top of it. These are just like a tarp Yeah, it's not like Thunderball.
This is just a tarp on like automated wheels. Somehow that traps the dog in there, and the dog drowns.
I think there's the implication that the killer may have also used the automatic snaking pool cleaner robot to kill the dog.
Yes, that's right. It's it's not perfectly executed, but we see shades of this when Kid Puci goes in to rescue the dog and he gets wrapped up in the pool cleaning robot and the cover starts closing, and it's just great because the music is ratcheting up. It's implying if he gets stuck in here, he will drown, he'll be doomed, when again, this is just a tarp, like
there's nothing. Why don't you going to be sealed in It's not even like it's not even all the way you know, close to the water, like there's room to breathe in there. So it's a wonderful, ridiculous scene.
Why would you make a pool cover like that, the mechanized rollers that automatically cover it up as bizarre. Yeah, there is also a big VR scene, actually the VR scene I think happens right before this, where the kid and his buddies are playing a virtual reality video game at the mall like you do, and the killer somehow gets into there and freaks them out.
Yeah, yeah, that's that's pretty fun too, and has some nice nice These are some of the cheesier graphics, but they do fit within the context of the time.
I would say as far as the like the attacks by the Killer Go, I think my favorite is when it attacks Karen Allen's boyfriend who is working at a crash test simulator, which so it's just this like warehouse of peril. It's a perfect setup for a Final Destination style scene.
Yeah, yeah, where they're doing crash test stuff.
Yeah, and he keeps the guy. It's they really I will say the scene is funny, especially when it concludes, but it it goes on so long, like they really drag it out. He's just like, let's have him put his head under the tire. Now he'll put his body under this thing. They just put him in peril again and again and again, and then by the time it ends you are not expecting what happens, which is the he gets killed by an automatic hand dryer in a bathroom.
Yeah, it's it's it's pretty great. They're clearly playing that one up for laughs. They also have a scene where they're like, will that the young child be boiled or scalded by boiling water or somehow hurt by an oven and they pull the punch on that one, which which is good.
Yeah, I don't, I don't. I don't think the movie ever has any young children getting well, like the babysitter gets killed by a dishwasher.
Right, that that does happen. But but yeah, for the most part, keep it tasteful. Probably they don't No, well, I mean they well, they kill the dog and they don't kill out people. They don't kill the young child. Okay, they don't kill the young child. They don't cross that line. Other lines are crossed, but not that one. The microwave scene is a great kill.
That one is pretty amazing. So there is a guy who gets cooked by his microwave oven from across the room. I think I have a brief monster science diversion. I don't think that's very plausible. I mean, not like that that's what they really had in mind, that these deaths are plausible. I mean, I don't think the hand dryer
is plausible either. But if a microwave were to even like have all of its safety features disabled and end up just blasting microwave radiation directly into the kitchen with you, I think it could burn you if you're really close, but electromagnetic radiation spreads out according to the inverse square loss, if you're like across the room from it, I think you're probably out of danger unless you're there for a
long time. Instead, it just shows it like instantly boiling this guy from all the way across the room.
Yeah, it's a gross scene. They do a good job with it, but yeah, it just turns the microwaves is cracked open, and it turns the whole room into a microwave. Which you know, we did an Invention episode, maybe a pair of episodes you can't recall, on the microwave oven. And I think we briefly touched on ridiculous microwave kill scenes in horror movies. We might have even mentioned this film even though we neither of us had seen it yet at that point. Huh, But yeah, you see it.
You see this from time to time, the idea that the microwave can do crazy things.
Now, of course, the final part of the movie involves the heroes like Karen Allen and Bram what's his name Bram Walker setting a trap for the killer that I think I don't remember if it originally in Their plan involves a magnet, but ends up involving a giant electromagnet. And I gotta say this is a narrative device that I really like. When the heroes are faced with an unstoppable killing machine, they have to set up a trap
for it. It's in Predator, It's in It Follows, It's in tons of movies that are a lot of fun. I'm not sure why I like that device so much, but I feel like it's a good way to conclude a movie of this type.
Yeah. Yeah, it tends to work pretty well, and it's I guess it's pretty fun ending for the film. Like basically, he's somehow that the killer assumes physical form. I think he's what they're like little old nanobots or something. It becomes a cloud of nanobots and keeps trying to pour himself into the eyeballs of his victims without leaving a scratch on them. He kind of comes off as a
low rent T one thousand in these scenes. Yes, and it also reminds me a bit of the nineteen ninety five cyber movie Virtuosity, in which Denzel Washington has to fight the Ultimate serial killer Sid six point seven, who's a simulation AI that's supposed to be a composite of all the worst killers in history, which of course breaks out by somehow I think printing himself as a silicon based life form or something like that. Is it Russell Crowe or somebody like it is? Oh, it's young Russell crow.
It's like Russell Crowe right as he was exploding.
Uh huh. We should maybe come back and look at that movie again. Sometimes that's a good ninety cyber panic movie.
Yeah, yeah, I remember it being a lot of fun.
So I've actually got a deep thoughts segment for this episode. A Ghost in the Machine got me thinking about a number of things, which is that One thing, like I said, that's funny about this movie is that it takes a phrase from the philosophy of mind ghost in the Machine, which I'll explain in just a minute, and it makes it totally literal. Like I didn't even realize that until after I watched the movie and we were talking about it, that the title is just a statement of exactly what
happens in the plot. There's a ghost inside the machines. The microwave is haunted. But the phrase ghost in the machine is usually attributed to the twentieth century British philosopher Gilbert Ryle, who used this phrase to describe ib A. Kart's concept of mind body dualism, also known as Cartesian dualism, which is the belief that the mind, like your ability to think consciously, is a non physical substance, and that the mind and the body are distinct and can be
separated from one another. And Ryle was a philosopher who lectured at Oxford. He used the phrase ghost in the Machine in a nineteen forty nine book called The Concept of Mind, which was very influential for a while. It was an attack on this idea and an attack on
the validity of mind body dualism. For Ryle, pretty much every time he says ghost in the machine in the book, it is preceded by the phrase like the myth of or the dogma of so ghost in the machine for him is a confusion, a confusion that arises from problems in thinking about what the mind is. And Rale basically argues in this book, I want to be clear, I
haven't read it, but I was reading about it. I was reading some summaries and reading and passages from it, and it seems like the core of his argument is that he thinks mind body dualism is an unnecessary confusion that's created by unclear use of language and really not understanding what we're talking about when we use words like mind.
Raul's argument was that thinking of the mind and the body as two separate things is wrong in the sense that it conceives of them as two distinct things in the same category, i e. The mind and the body are both objects or both substances. And I think for Ryle, saying the mind and the body are two separate things is like a gambler saying there are three things in my hand. One die, another die, and a pair of dice.
Those are the three things. So I want to read a passage from chapter one of the Concept of Mind where he explains this idea a little further. Quote a purchaser might say that he bought a left hand glove and a right hand glove, but not that he bought a left hand glove, a right hand glove, and a pair of gloves. Quote. She came home in a flood of tears and a sedan chair is a well known joke based on the absurdity of conjoining terms of different types.
It would have been equally ridiculous to construct the disjunction. She came home either in a flood of tears or else in a sedan chair. And then a little later he says, I am not, for example, denying that their occur mental processes. Doing long division is a mental process, and so is making a joke. But I am saying that the phrase their occur mental processes does not mean the same sort of thing as their occur physical processes, and therefore it makes no sense to conjoin or disjoin
the two. So I think, for Ryle, when you're thinking about minds and bodies, talking about the ghost in the machine is like talking about the pair in the two gloves. There are actually two gloves. You could say that there is actually a pair of gloves. You can say that, but the pair is not a thing, not a thing that it would make any sense to claim is either
the same as or different from the gloves. Now, obviously Ryle had critics who argued back against him, But I do find myself somewhat sympathetic to his point of view, and I wonder if Ryle's thinking here would have any wisdom to offer the more literal implications of thinking like we see in the story concept of ghost in the machine, because I want to be clear, like, while we're laughing at the concept of ghost in the machine, like there's
literally you know, the computer is haunted. Somebody's ghost went into the electrical grid. In a way, people still think like this, Like even very smart people who know a lot about brains and computers, there are some of them who believe that they will soon be able to upload themselves into a computer or have their mind live on past the death of their physical body on a machine somehow. Now you know, I can't say that I know something
like that is impossible. But the more I think about that idea over the years, the more strange and possibly confused it seems to me. And I think if people actually believe they can become the ghost in the machine, I wonder, is that kind of like saying, well, I can preserve my pair of gloves by putting them into the safe deposit box. Of course, the gloves themselves will be destroyed, they'll be burned, but I'll still have the pair.
Yeah. Yeah, I meaneah, I mean I often feel the same way about often sometimes very cyberpunky properties that involve uploading of consciousness, transfer of consciousness between bodies, and it kind of gets into the same territory you get into with teleportation in science fiction, where if you think about it too hard, you like, this is destruction, Like this is every time, you're just destroying yourself every time you
use that teleporter. Guys. But I don't know, in certain property it feels appropriate, right because the idea that humans could end up doing something like even religiously doing something that is innately destructive or in no way preserves who they are, but doing it out of the mistaken idea that it does. I mean a lot of the things we do for the ego are exactly like that.
Yeah, well, there you get into some really deep arguments. This actually brings up something that I've been wanting to talk about on the podcast for a while, which is, oh, I forget the philosopher's name who brings this up, So I shouldn't get too deep into it now we'll have to come back. But basically, it is the problem of trying to imagine what future states of yourself would want,
or imagining desiring changes to yourself. And so one example of this is would you like to become a vampire and so like you can weigh the pros and cons of that, like, Okay, yeah, I could live longer, but
there might be downsides. But the problem is the version of you that would be making the decision about whether or not you would like to become a vampire would be different once you are the vampire, and you may no longer have the same judgments about the pros and cons if you were a vampire, because that would necessarily entail changes to yourself.
Oh wow, we should definitely come back and talk about that, either as a straight up episode of stuff to blow your mind or find a suitably weird vampire movie to wrap around it, one or the other.
But of course that's even more complicated if you can't even be guaranteed that there is whatever we think we mean when we say the continuation of consciousness.
Yeah, because again, it's one of those things where you're talking about you're can continuing this thing that's happening now, and I don't really fully understand the thing that's happening now. I'm not even completely awake to some of the illusions that are wrapped up in the continuation of myself, as I am much less when you start thinking about some computerized version of me, some robotic version of me, some version of my brain put into another real or engineered body.
It would be interesting if you had one of these films where like Russell Crowe the serial Killer in the digital form, like he takes he takes human form, and then he becomes a great guy or or our ghost in this film, like he becomes one with the Internet and just decides to you know, to streamline the power grid or something. You know which, because you're still talking about such a drastic transformation of self, you know, why would you still have the same aims and you know,
you know, petty vengeances in mind. Yeah, it's like saying, like, what if I became an exploding star, would I finally get around to watching Twin Peaks? No, I would be an exploding star, Like that's probably what I would be super into doing is just continue to do to explode. I'm beyond Twin Peaks at this point.
What if you were a screensaver though.
Then I'd be super into saving screens I guess, or I'd be that mouse in the Maize.
Right, did you have a favorite nineteen ninety screensaver from like the After Dark Suite?
I was just always Starscaped, straight up Starscape. I was like, this is amazing. It's like it's it's basically a video game from my mind, you know, there's not much going on except you are traveling through space, and that alone felt like a revolution.
I was a fan of that one too. It's one of the simplest ones, but I always thought it was really good.
I need to put one back on my machine. It's not like a default option anymore. You got to engineer it, which is a shame. Come on, Apple, Well now these screens just turn off? I mean, what's that all about. Oh god, that's a great moment in this film where she comes in and she gets onto the team and she's like she's like, oh and turn off this computer. Electricity is not free, you know. Oh yeah, which I love that. It's like this such a foreign concept today
for so many I was turn off the computer? You mean turn it off?
Are you asking me for my heart to stop beating? Are you telling me to turn off my brain?
All right, well, we're gonna have to close it out there. But yeah, this was a fun one. You can find this one, I think pretty much anywhere you can rent something right now, Look you watch it on Amazon Prime. I watched it on whatever. The default rental option is in an Xbox. I did that, but I checked, and you can also pick this one up cheap on DVD if you want to make it a permanent physical part of your collection.
I gotta say, even though, like I said, I don't think anyone could make the argument that this is a good movie, this is definitely a bad movie. It does make me want to watch more Rachel Talay stuff, like I want to watch all her Doctor Who episodes. I'm gonna go watch tank Girl. I don't know.
Yeah, I'm one fulship tank Girl myself. Yeah.
Yeah.
The talent shines through with this. This is definitely one of those where people cared about the product.
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