The Seven Deadlies: Glutton Chops

talk about one of these sins. Yeah. Well, well, of course, I don't know if the true glutton would be able to like it would be more of a muffled food joked laugh right, food falling down the face, kind of a you know, wine spilling all over the one's body kind of a thing. Wine spilling. Wow, Yeah, I guess it does have sort of like a boccus like yeah

evocation there. Yeah, it makes me think of on Futurama, they have a there's a robot called hedonism Bot, and he his legs are the legs of like a reclining chair. It's like in a reclining state with a bowl of grapes on his chest and as a very Roman air to him. But yeah, so so gluttony is is the sin that's typically associated with massive consumptions of food being really into food, enormous feasts, feast without end and uh.

If we look to the pages of Dante's Divine Comedy, we see we see gluttony show up in both Inferno and Purgatory, and Inferno the pit of the eternal suffering. At the center of the planet, we see a circle. This is the third circle, guarded by Cerebus, the three

headed dog. You know, the dog is a good symbol of gluttony, so and a dog with three mouths is let's like triple gluttony, right, But but in this circle, it's it's kind of interesting because it's not what if you're not familiar with Dante, it's it's not quite what

you might imagine for a punishment of glutton's uh. All right, So you have rain hale and snow falling just like crazy rain hale and snow, all right, and it's just pummeling the gluttons who are just they're just like held to the ground by it, and there's just mud everywhere. They're they're wallowing like pigs in this mud. That's kind of they may or may not be excrement. There's um

that they're described in very doglike terms. And so this is where the gluttons are punished now in purgatory, whereas we discussed before, this is the mountain that connects Earth to heaven, and souls that aren't quite bad enough for hell when they need a little polishing before they can get up into heaven, they have to climb this mountain terrace by terraces. In each terrace they remove a sort of a layer of grimy sin from themselves, so they're

transcending their sins. Right on the sixth terraces of Purgatory, you will find these emaciated spirits with sunken eyes, you know, all the way back in the and the sockets and their their faces are said to resemble the letter M. That's how swollen and sunk. Not swollen, but that's how sunk in their faces are. And so they're just suffering excruciating hunger and thirsts. So in life they had all their fill. So if they're going to work off this layer of gluttony, they're gonna have to get used to

the idea of going hungary. I like how Dante just dove into the gird task wasn't scared of it. Um And but that is part of the human condition, right and um as uh Orson Well says, gluttony is not a secret vice. You can see it all over you and on the surface. You know, we discussed in the past with the most recent one, we did envy, and we're talking about how India is not a fun sin.

Gluttony is is one that, at least on the surface, seems a lot more fun because because I mean, I don't know about you, but I I really like food, Like food is not just something I'm just kind of into. I really enjoy an excellent meal. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, And we're going to talk about the reason why we really really enjoy our hardwired yea, and to actually over enjoy

it sometimes. Yeah. And the thing that gets me about gluttony is that there's this level of gluttony that we encounter an inferno and impurgatory, this this medieval idea of just you know, obsessive feasts and all this, but there's like a space age level of gluttony that is only possible in this day and age, Like it's a level of gluttony that was unimagined in Dante's time well exactly.

And and and let's even say, like Henry the Eighth right, could that's that's someone who could afford to be gluttonous, right, had a bunch of resources, master glutton, I wouldn't. I would imagine it's fair to say that. I always think of him with like huge turkey legs in both hands, just waving them around. But in today's world, we can all be Henry the Eighth right, I mean, gluttony is at our fingertips everything that we've ever wanted, particularly food wise,

um libations available. You can at least be a glutton on you can as far as bad food goes, you can, and you could actually be a professional glutton if you wanted to. And this would come into play in competitive eating. Yeah, yeah, this is what I'm talking about. Competitive eating. There are

these different levels of your enjoyment of food. There's sort of like, I'm eating because I need nourishment for my body, and then there's this level I'm eating because I really enjoy these tastes and I enjoy the sensation of eating, and I'm I'm enjoying the the sun a purely sense level. But when you start looking at competitive eating, it's it

seems devoid of either of those things. It is eating purely for the act of eating, like and you hear some comments, like one of the dudes we're gonna talk about here says that he got into it because he really likes chicken, and if he really likes the like he likes the flavor of things. But still, there's no way you're enjoying the flavor of like thirty eight hot dogs in a row, you know, and you're certainly not eating that for your your well being. It's something completely

removed from those two necessities. Well, it's eating to an absolute obsessive degree to degree um. And I think most people are familiar with Chakaro Kobayashi. He is the usually a person that you think of when you think about stuffing like three and sixty three hot dogs in your mouth and under an hour, um, and getting paid handsomely for it. But who the person we're going to talk about today. His name, um, well, actually he goes by a wing a door and you just refer to him.

He his specialty are his chicken chicken wings. And there's a documentary film by Errol Morris called Elwing a Door and like a seven minute deal. Yeah, it's not very long, it's actually pretty it's worth checking out. We'll link to it on the blogs are on the Facebook, but it focuses on this five time champion of the Philadelphia wingboll Bill Simmons, and how he prepares for these competitions. It's just insane. Yeah. I would be tempted to classify him

as a power glutton. Yeah, yeah, a power if you think about a power lifter, he guess that kind of powerlifter vibe, except he's he's only lifting things enough to stuff in his mouth right, right, and stuff to the degree that it's just purely unholy, unholy. And they talk about this actually in the documentary, to to the extent that he says that he has almost accidentally eaten one

of his digits his fingers. Yeah, like he said, he claims that his his hands are covered with scars because he'll just will get so into the I guess he's you know, he's achieving flow. He's a transcendent experience for him. But it's to the point where he's biting his hands and leaving scars because he's eating chicken wings in this state of mind focused. Let's talk about how he trains. He eats fifteen pounds of food to day when he's training, and he drinks three gallons of water day, just sending

his stomach, right, that's the point of that. And ten pounds of tutsie rolls a week. Yeah, this was especially growth test because he's not just eating one and then swallowing it. Now, he's he's throwing him in his mouth and forming them into a massive baseball sized mass of tutsie rolls, A giant tutsie roll cut? Is that the word like a like a cow choose its cut. Well, then there's some vomiting involved there, he's not doing that, right, Well,

we don't really know. Well, I mean he's doing some vomiting, but not in this situation. So he's he's two in these tutsie rolls up in there, his baseball size mass in his mouth, and then he swallows that. And he says it's all about a strengthening his jaws so that he can really chomp and chomp during these competitions, but also like widening his esophagus right right, And he likens it to a snake swallowing a rat. Yeah, he's like, you know, if you're eating for you know, your own enjoyment,

then you should totally chew your food. But competition different story. Like chewing is for chumps. Yeah, chewing is for chumps, And and and only that he's such a pro that when he masters this, he moves on to dog bones, Yeah, masticating them normal when and I'm equating a baseball made air tutsi rolls its normal human food here. But but but this becomes just too mundane for him, so he moves on to his dogs chew toys. And he ends up like, what is a five pound bag competition of

raw hide bones? Yeah, and he says he claims that he never gets full and that he feels that he has an eating disorder. Yeah, because five pound bags of raw high bones like these are the if you've ever been around a dog chewing one of these things, these are those things that the dog too and it makes that loud clacking noise that makes your own teeth hurt.

That's what this guy works on. Yeah. Yeah, and um pops I actually has a really interesting article on competitive eating and they're talking about what actually happens when when you're doing this to your body, and they say that muscle stretch when they relax right in the stomach, and when we eat a big meal, our stomach muscles relax so much that they send a message to the brain, which interprets the signal to mean, hey, you've got a full belly. Um that our brain stops is from eating anymore.

That's what normally happens. But they say a good training regimen for competitive eating deadens this communication, causing the signal to the brain of the brain itself to become less responsive to the large volume of food. And this is according to Douglas Seidner, m d. Program director for Clinical Nutrition at the Cleveland Clinic. So it's kind of mind over matter. Yeah, yeah, it's mind over manning, mind over

mind over anything. That you eat yourself into a numbness and you deaden your urge to up eating, which is just incredible, incredible. It is one way way to put it.

L Wing a door. He's he's pretty amazing and he has some or or when he is his I'm not sure if he's active at the moment, but when he is active sometimes he is accompanied to the eating platform, the gluttony ring, whatever you wanna call it by he has he has a valets who are called the wing at the wing at Yeah, so if anyone is particularly taken with this man, you can probably get in touch with them and see about becoming a wing at and

be one of his wing women. Yes. Yeah, and that not only do they cheer for him, that they actually sort of ore backup counters for him, right, don't they sort of? From from what I remember, they actually are counting the amount of food items that he's stepping down his gullet, helping to corroborate his win. Yeah, because you're gonna need somebody to keep track of that. I mean, like when I'm swimming or doing yoga. You know, it's like I can't keep track of how many laps or

how many sin citations have done. It's like I need somebody else. Does tell me now we're at number five because I'm gonna get wrong. So you need some lamb ats? Yeah, I need some. But the reason why I bring it competitive eating is because this actually sort of informs the conversation on gluttony, and not only just gluttony, but obesity and um, how our body actually responds to eating. It's

really pretty fascinating. Physician Jane jack Wang of Brookhaven National Laboratory and his colleague Nora Volcal observed that ABC and drug addiction alter the same brain circuits UH. In their studies, Wang and Volcal found that both drug addicts and obese people are usually less sensitive to dopamine's rewarding effects. So, as we all remember, dopamine is a neurotransmitter. It delivers the high that we feel um our brain perceives when we eat food or we were to say, if you

have drug addic or to have some cocaine. Um. So this means that both drug addicts and um obese people have to chase after a stronger dose of food or

drugs in order to get a decent bump of that dopamine. Yes, that whole trait chasing the dragon type thing, when we've all heard examples of it with like an extreme case like like heroin, where you an individual individual have that first taste of heroin and it'll be this amazing, just overpowering experience, but they never get that same experience again, like the rest of their lives then is assuming they I mean and hopefully they're able to get away from it,

but if they don't, the rest of their lives is about chasing that high, chasing that that dragon that they met that first time. Right, And it's really interesting to see this in food and obesity, and and see that that's increased or excessive stimulation just creates more decent citation with dopamine. And then yeah, again that vicious circle kicks in and you've got increased desire and decreased payoff at

the same time. I have to say I did have a really good, like brunch sandwich of this place, and then they caught it a Napoleon complex. I don't know why, but but it had breathe and bacon or Canadian bacon. I'm not sharing like fig spread. It't was sounds like this really nice toasted bread. The first time I had it was amazing, and then I went back to have it again and it was it was it was all right, and then it's like each time it's like a little

a little further removed from that original experience. My own meager comparison to that was the sandwich on stilts or something. No, I'm just trying to figure out why I'm telling it that the Napoleon I don't know, it's really At one time I had to order it and there was a short person at the table and it was really kind of weird because I was like, I'll have that sandwich, you know, and he just made it even more like yeah, and then it became even more of a thing. The

server was like, what sandwich? That sandwich? Oh, the Napoleon, the really short one. Stilts to make it feel better. It would be cool if it were on stilts. But well, yeah, My point is the sandwich was dope, and that it actually I mean, yeah, nice, nicely done. So um Whang looks into this problem of obesity and addiction and he actually asked him of his while tears in a study

to come hungry. The torture experiment horrible. It's horrible. He has them to describe their favorite meals while he heaps up that meal in a nearby microwave so that the waft of the smell of it, let's say, the Napoleon sandwich, is clearly being transmitted to their brains. And then they show a pet scan of the volunteers brains during this whole process, and they see that the motivation part of their brain goes nuts, okay, and then the orbital frontal cortex,

which is implicated in decision making, also lights up. And then they find that the in the brains of obese people, the regions that regulate sensory information from the mouth and the tongue are even more active than than other people.

And they figure out that sensory processing is elevated. Um, this is the oh that tastes good part, right, but the reward sensitivity is a lower So now this reminds me a lot of our podcast about children and Halloween candy and about how darn experience sugar in a in a kind of different sensory realm than adults do, and then most adults do. And in this the experiment that really highlights this this idea that that obase individuals or

individuals with this sort of with this heightened appetite. I mean, they are experiencing the food in a different way, which which is which I think is a helpful way to look at it, because it's easy for someone to to look at someone else's problems with food, um and or weight and say, oh, what's the matter with you? Why can't you control yourself? Why why don't you eat just

one such the piez instead of four? You know, But but if you if you think of it in terms of a different sensory experience, it becomes harder to really have that kind of judgmental attitude. I think, yeah, absolutely. I mean understanding that the brain is actually getting rewired so that it has less control um in these situations. And in fact, this was explored even more by a New York Times sort are called called the Fat Trap, and what they found is that weight loss and weight

control depends. It still depends of us on the simple equation of eat less and exercise more, right, but for some people it's a lot more complicated. Right, So we talked about the brain being changed in that instance. Um. They were talking in this article of the Fat Trap about something called post diet syndrome, and it's essentially a state that your body enters once it's lost at least ten percent of its body weight. It becomes biologically altered.

It's really fascinating. There's a guy named Joseph Proyeto and he's a physician at the University of Melbourne and he kept wondering why his really really motivated and committed patients would gain back at least eleven pounds of the on average thirty pounds that they had lost. And these guys were like super diligent. Um. The patients that he was working with, they had food diaries. Um, they still exercise, they did all of this stuff, um. And they were

on a localori diet essentially at first. But you know, they followed up with him for a full year and he kept thinking to himself, why do they keep gaining this back? Um? And journalist Herapote Parker Pope, who wrote The Fat Trap, started to think about this too in her the context of her own life, and she started to look at all these different factors, um, that could be responsible for the inevitability of weight gain. You know,

no matter if you're abuse or not. But it makes it incredibly difficult for people who are obese to maintain their weights throughout their whole lives. And we'll talk a little bit about why that is when we come back. All Right, we're back talking about the post diet syndrome. The body has has realized that something is a miss, and it's trying to replenish the stores and it breaks

down in an interesting way. It's the research has found that there's a gastric hormone called grillan, often dubbed the hunger hormone, and it's about higher There's another hormone associated with suppressing hunger called peptide double y, and it also ends up leveling out pretty low. Levels of lepton, a hormone that suppresses hungered increases metabolism, also remain lower than expected.

And then you have a whole host of other hormones that are associated with hunger metabolism and they're all significantly changed compared to pre dieting levels. Yeah, it's sort of cocktail that your cocktails of hormones that get messed with in this post diet state, right, so that that grayllin is higher, that hormone that tells you that you're hungry, so you're more activated in terms of like, hey, I'm

feeling kind of hungry in your post diet scenario. And again the left in and the peptide why why are both decreased, and those are the things that helps suppress your appetite. Another odd finding is that in some post diet subject, muscle fibers were acting like slow twitch muscles. A slow twitch muscles are actually responsible for less burned calories. So you're seeing this other weirdness happening in the post

diet scenario. And then there's again going back to the brains of post dieters, um they were studied by researchers Rudolph Libel and Michael Rosenbaum at Columbia University and f m r I was used to track the brain patterns of people before and after weight loss while they looked at objects like grapes, gummy bears, chocolate, broccoli, cell phones, and yos, just to put in a couple of non

food items right and after weight loss. When the dieter looked at food, the scan showed a bigger response in the parts of the brain associated with reward and a lower response in the areas associated with control. Again, that's the same thing that we were talking about before, and the implication is that the body induces cravings by making the person feel more excited about food and giving him her less willpower to resist high calorie treat a body

wants to reset at the higher weight. So I mean, how this actually susses out is that it really gives someone who's in a post diet scenario caloric disadvantage. And what I mean by that is that you could be subject a for instance, who is two hundred and thirty pounds and you're eating three thousand pounds or three three thousand pounds. That's a lot that's even more than l

winger um three thousand calories a day. But then you drop down to one and in order to maintain a weight of a hundred and ninety pounds, you eat twenty three hundred calories a day. Your counterpart who has not been in a dieting scenario, who is weighs a hundred ninety pounds, actually could have two hundred and fifty to four hundred calories more per day than you to just

maintain their weight. So that's what this is. This is how this is all sort of shuffling out, is that you know, when you're in this post diet state, which by the way, it could last up to six years um, your body really is not going to burn as many calories and automatically wants you to reset as opposed to your your your counterpoint who isn't dieting at that same weight,

so you have to burn more and more calories. And this, I think is is the sticking point of why people continue to creep up on the scales throughout their lives or yo yo diet because your your body is sort

of working against you. Yeah, and it really really becomes an issue of like sort of knee versus body, and which is which is kind of a false idea because we are our bodies and as we discussed before, what our guts doing affects what our brain is doing to a level that you can't just cut one off from the other. But it's also not this situation of um, I am you know this is all about me, I

am going to lose this weight. It becomes this this knee and what I want versus the needs of my body and the sort of the ideas of my body. And it's not our body just trying to be terrible to us. I mean how we evolved, right, Like we have these you know, big thick brains that require a lot of energy. It's sort of like the firefox of browsers, right, takes up a lot of energy. But it makes sense that we have gluttony hardwired into us because at some level we need it. Our brain evolved for us to

eat an excess in order to survive. Yeah, I mean, we we live in a an environment now that is rather far removed from from what we originally evolved into where we can go and we can in most most of our listeners anyway, you're in a position where you could go out today and you could probably eat just as much as you possibly wanted to. There's there's there's nothing that that would stop you, and our bodies aren't

really evolved to deal with that. Right. We didn't know that buckets of chicken were just available for you know, the drive through. We thought we had to forge for this stuff. Now did we mention this? That El wingadore the that Errol Morris originally shot the videos an extra because he was he was shooting a promotional video for KFC Kentucky Fried Chicken we didn't talk about and that's fascinating. And so he was like, this is the dude, because I mean, I guess this was I forget the exact

time frame that I guess. This was in that era of the double down where KFC is like unhealthy food for the wind, let's let's market it this way. So so Morris is like, this is this is the dude, This is the patron saint of double downs. So he shoots this video with and he's like, this dude is so interesting. This is such a fascinating glimpse into really the heart of gluttoning my words, not his. Uh, he had to shoot this tim Inte extra where he's just talking to wing a door about about it and I

love that. And as you had mentioned earlier when we were talking about this, but you have to see him in action with the wings, getting his glutton chops on Clinton chops, which is I guess what you call the smears of orange hot wing sauce. They're on the side of your face when you're fully engorging yourself on chicken wings. Yeah, as a vegetarian, because I have never had glutton chops. Are there? I might have had soy glutton chops? Are there?

Soy based or do you think they're vegetarian inter vegan eating competitions? No, but you know again, if someone's out there and they want to explore that, there you go. There's an idea. Yeah. I think it's just sort of empathetical to the whole vegetarian vegan thing. Yeah. I could be wrong, though, I think it tends to be. Well.

So let's talk about the future of gluttony, because there's always a future for gli Yeah, I mean, you know what, Like I said, we've reached the space age of gluttony with the eating competitions, But I think humans could be grosser. I think we have it in ourselves too to do more well. I think that you know, there's there's the

possibility that we could actually create the vomitorium. Right. We used to think that in room in times that there was something called a vomitorium that we would eat And maybe there was a vomitorium, but it was it was not a place where you throw up your food so you can eat more. It was just an architectural flourish,

I believe. Yeah, yeah, that people mistook for like this big communal place where you just threw up after you yeah, which is a factless gluttonous idea of that doesn't exactly exist. But in the future we might actually be able to manage food in a way that we could overeat and in a way get rid of all of this access

and that is through lefton Again. We talked about left in as being something that could uh that is very helpful and appetite suppression, and scientists at Columbia University have conducted several small studies looking at whether in injecting people with lepton can override the body's resistance to weight loss and help maintain a lower weight. And this is in a few small studies, left injections seemed to trick the body into thinking it's still fat and after left in replacement,

and this is really interesting. Study subjects burned more calories during activity, and in brain scan studies, left in injectons appeared to change how the brain responds to food, making it seem less enticing. So you would like stick a syringe of lefton in one end and a meatball sub in the other, and and they would they would balance each other, right, right, they just cancel each other. But of course this is a sort of a new treatment and not something that's been widely studied and is probably

years away for use. Right, she took on for cheese steak. Why did they go from meatball? Cheese steak as much grosser? Do you think that's more glad as the meatball? Yeah? Yeah, I mean it's basically the same. Both are lots of meat and some cheese on giant pieces of bread. But there's something about the cheese steak that's a little vialer. I guess maybe because it's protein on protein, I guess. Yeah.

It seems like there's a show I was watching and it was like they were profiling these different chefs and their favorite foods in different cities, and like every city has its own cheese steak. I feel like I've done this rent before, but I have a thing against cheese sticks, all right. I think we're gonna have to have a

Science of Cheese Sticks podcast coming up. Um. Here's another thing that is that on the cusp of our understanding and perhaps harnessing this information, something called brown fat are

fat cells that consume calories and release heat. Yeah. And if you're not driving or riding a bicycle or anything like that, you can you can probably reach up around your neck and you can sort of feel yourself a little a little brown fat, right, because that's where the human body tends to store it doing it right now, Yeah,

we have a nice little padding there. Um. It is important because researchers actually think that, um, this could help turn white fat into brown fat, and you could actually burn more calories and you could possibly do the spy exercising they have seen in subjects that exercise can create brown fat out of white fat. Yeah. And this brown fat is remarkable because rather than storing excess energy, the

fat actually burns through it right. Yeah. And and previously we kind of only thought that it was like a rodent or human newborn thing. Rats are babies, one of the you know, they were the only ones who who are really that into it. And we would and generally if you would see a lot of brown fat in the human, an adult human, it meant that there was some sort of generally, there was some of the kind

of health ailment going on that unbalanced things. Yeah, but they have a much better understanding and this, I mean, this is only like three years old information right now, we're still figuring out. Yeah, like there that they even figured out that brown fat exists in adult humans. And again to go back to the rodents. Um. At first, you know, they thought, okay, well, rodents can't shiver and they use brown fat to keep warm, and so do

human infants, who also don't shiver very well. And then they thought, well, once humans lose their brown fat after infancy, the shivering response kicks in and we no longer have a use for the brown fat. And that is not true. Um. They actually found found that younger women have more brown fat than say, older men, Thinner people have more brown fat than um than larger people. So they're still trying to figure it out. And figure out how to actually

manipulate it for own use. And it's one of those things. Could be problematic though, because the people who have the most active brown fat are generally individuals with cancer or hyperthyroidism. So right, and again hypothrotoism in cancer, assuming that you probably have whittled down to a weight that's not that is no longer healthy. Right, So yeah, it's got its limits, but that could be an interesting future in terms of fighting off gluttony. Another possibility. This would be far future.

And I feel like I've mentioned this example before, but an Ian m Banks culture series, the denizens of the culture who you know, they've been genetically advanced to the point where they can they can release random drug like chemicals into their body just thinking about them. Uh, they have these you know, the benevolent robots that look after them.

But they can also bypass food or beverage. So like, if an individual wants to have another cocktail that doesn't want to feel the effects of that cocktail, they can bypass it straight through. Well not straight through, well, that would it be the effects of that cocktail later on?

I mean you still want to hit the reward center, right, I think they would just you would get the taste would be like chewing a food and then spitting it out, or I guess it would be a little they would get like a little bit of the I got the impression it was. It was like, I want to enjoy this food, but I don't want to actually digest it and I don't Or I want to enjoy this beverage, but I don't want to actually take into the alcohol into my system. So it's like they have a separate

line just for purely recreational food and beverage. I like, that's just like two different digestive systems in a way. The one digestive system doesn't really work. I'm just trying to think how we can fit this into our own little uh worldview in the future. Possibility of having two different digestives systems, Yeah, I mean, of course there are other possibilities too in terms of the future of gluttony, Like imagine being able to plug yourself into a virtual

environment where you just eat all you want. Yeah. With that, with that, say, you you know, I wonder if that would chick in again with the reward center and openmine, if that would be released situation. Maybe maybe it's it's such a far future possibility, like you would have to we're talking, we would be talking more than just like strapping in some goggles and some haptic gloves and you know,

going through a city made out of cheeseburgers. It would you would have to have a much more like neurologically plugged in system for that to take place. And by that point, who knows what else would have figured out? Well, and then do you think in that realm that more people would become competitive eaters? That's my question. Maybe, but it would be a crazy like the competition would just be off the charts. I mean, how would you even

clock that. I don't know, I don't know somehow someway Interestingly enough, you know this will come out like a couple of weeks later, but that we were recording this on ash Wednesday before a lot of people will go into like some sort of Lenten fasting or saying I'm not gonna eat fried foods except on feast days kind of a thing. So, but that's kind of that's that's kind of perfect. Yeah, yeah, talking about sins and lent and gluttony. Shall we bring the robot over? Yes, bring

the robot over with his fat sack of mail. All right, and this this is rather fitting as well. We heard from a listener by the name of Aaron. Aaron all right sin and says hello, Robert and Julie. I just finished listening to your Absolute Disgust podcast in which you mentioned the Kloaka bot, which you have just to specify, because I guess we do mention that creation a lot. Last week, I was lucky enough to take a trip to Tasmania for my twenty fifth birthday, Happy Birthday, and

whilst I was there, I visited the Mona Art Gallery. Um. It was here I got to experience the Kloaka Bot for myself, close up and somewhat personal. Upon arrival of the gallery, I wasn't too familiar with Wim Delvo's work, so when I walked into the room that contained the bot, I was a bit caught off guard. There was a quote in some of the information that was given to me about the bot that pretty much sums up the artwork for me, and it was a bit tedious to

watch and stinks. Um. I was captivated by the contraption as it looked like something could have come out of the original wallet Willy Wonka film, and once I realized what the piece was, I was intrigued to find out more, but I also was soon impulse to get out of the room quickly. I can only describe the smell as unsettling. It wasn't a smack in the face stinch, but more of an unearthy, grumbling deal in the back of your

throat kind of smell. Um that, as much as I wanted to explore the machine more, I couldn't stay in the room. Uh. There were a few other smaller versions of the cloak a bot. My favorite was kloak A number five that we're in a separate room that I mustered up lung capacity to do a quick trip round to peak at all the inner works of these machineries. It was a smell a yet intriguing experience. And then she goes on to point out that her perhaps her

only major disgust these mangoes. You know what, I actually understood that what's really because they're slimy um, and they don't for me. They don't pack the punch of like a peach or you know, some other fruit in the same category. Uh well, I mean I love mangoes, that they are a bit temperamental. They're one of those fruits when you buy them that and you will never really know what you're gonna get. Like a banana, banana is

pretty consistent. I mean assume that you can tell on the outside what a banana is probably doing on the inside, and and you know what you're in for. But like a mangoes, kind of like a cantaloupe, the candleop is one of those where sometimes sometimes the candlop is amazing butt al, though sometimes it's just kind of yeah, just to payoff is not so great. I get this, we shouldn't see anything about sliminess, but I understand it from

that perspective. But apparently in Australia that makes for a bit of a un Australian, very UnAustralian odd personal fruit, the golden fruit. Right, she's been shunned for an unliking him. We'll presumably I would say, well, may me your man goes then, but that would be disgusting because by the time I got here, would they would just be grotest

package full of insects and slide. Anyway, She closed by saying love listening to your podcast, along with lots of other podcasts from you folks at hs W, thanks for blowing my mind on a weekly basis. So yeah, but that was an excellent to you know, definitely hear about and more about like firsthand knowledge of the clay butt. I love that people are out there meeting it for us. Well, it's on my bucket list now. I've heard so much about it and I've read so much about it. I

just I've got to see it in the flesh. Yeah, poor choice affords. All right, Well, there you go. Gluttony. We would love as always to hear your input on this topic. What is your perception of gluttony? What is your experience with gluttony? What do you think about professionally eating contest? Have you ever participated in one? And uh and what do you think about a nice friendly vegan eating competition? Is that against everything that you can stand for?

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