Roller Derby Microbiome

of various microbial teams in our universities. Our universe is meaning like on our bodies, outside of our bodies, in our workspaces, private spaces, public spaces. Yes. Now, in our

most recent episode, we talked about cubical death. We talked about our workspaces, and we touched upon the key concept that we're really getting into here, and that's the idea that uh, at some point there was an individual, primordial office worker, if you will get mythic here and yes, and uh and we'll call uh, we'll call him Adam. All right, I was gonna say, whyn't we go with the eve, we go with the MicroB We'll go with Adam. Andy?

How about that? Yeah, so Adam and Ever out in the in the paradise, and and they have a lot of work to do because God has tasked them with working up all these Excel spreadsheets about what all the animals are gonna be named. They have they have to put in a budget request, a lot of work to get done. They have to make goals for the coming fiscal year. And uh, they're just out there in the midst of all this nature. Mosquitoes are coming up to them.

Unnamed animals are coming up and wanting to be named. There's a serpent just talking NonStop about some tree. What are they gonna do? They're like, we gotta get out of this nature. So how do I get out of this nature? Out of all this disturbing nature that's messing with my vibe, that's potentially making me sneeze or itch. I need to create an artificial world in which I can work, when I can shut everything out, A nice clean space and indoor space that will be my office,

a true human habitat. Yes, and fast forward here we are now, I mean we we do not live out in nature anymore, at least most of us do not. Righte We have some sort of structure around us, and therefore we have created our own little microbiomes in these

buildings that we dwell in. You know, I'm realizing now I should have gone with Sophia as the as the name of our mythical office worker, because I would have gone into the gnostic idea that Sophia, from a primary ideal universe falls and creates ultimately creates a flawed universe in which we all reside now, because that's sort of what any kind of indoor office space is, a flawed version of the more ideal environment that exists outside these walls.

And of course we're talking today not just about the microbiome on our bodies, but the environment that we see around us in microbes. In fact, I invite everybody to put on their micro biome vision or their goggles and begin to imagine a world that comes alive just in germs. Right. So look around you on the walls. There are various species of microbes. They're they're on your feet, on your on your desk surface, on your food. It's everything is

teeming with microbes. Yeah, it's it's pretty much like that old Saturday Night Live skit where they had the fecal vision goggles that they would put on and they would see growing gen green substance wherever a fecal matter was present. And it's just a horror show because the individual wearing and I think it was Meadows, is just seeing just like green stuff all over people's hands and faces, all over a baby, all over the walls. It's just grim.

It's true. According to Stanford microbiologist Stanley Falco, the world is covered in a fine patina of feces, and we need to start thinking about that because really that is in forming to some degree our measures of health. So when I talk about that our health and our microbiome, we should probably do a quick overview of what a

microbiome is. I know we've talked about it before, but how it affects us because this is a huge field um that is growing that that's giving us a ton of information about how we operate in the world based on these little critters around us. Yeah. I mean it comes down to the basic principle that the human body is not organism, but the human body is organisms living together in some degree of unison. Yeah, and we're talking

about one trillion microbial cells. You've heard it before. You are outnumbered ten to one in terms of our own cells versus bacterial cells. Yeah, we come into this world, we are colonized, and we remain colonized throughout our entire lives. Yeah. In fact, when you say we come into this world when we are born, if we are born vaginally, that's when we get our first slathering of these acterial cells. And these are really important because these bacterial cells helped

to inform our immune systems. Yeah, we've evolved with the set situation. So in a sense, it comes what we're talking about. Here is a natural extrapolation of this in terms of our physical environments that we create. Because just as the human body is not a situation of all, right, here's the clean human, here's the infected human, it's also not a clear cut situation of here is a clean working environment, here is an infected one. All humans are

infected or colonized, and all spaces are colonized. Right, And the Human Microbiome Project was trying to get a baseline of what a normal microbiome looks like, and they still don't have this, by the way, but this is their first attempts to try to figure out what something might

look typically for each person. So what they did is they took two hundred scientists at eighty institutions and they sequenced the genetic material of bacteria taken from two hundred and fifty healthy people, which by the way, they took it from all various areas of their body um and that yielded something like eleven thousand plus samples that they're going through and again they're trying to figure out what might a baseline of a normal Microme biome look like

and why does it even matter. Well, it turns out that each human contains that the ten tho strains of bacteria with eight million bacterial genes, and this is in contrast to twenty two human genes. So again this idea begainst the build that there's things going on in your bacterial cells that are gaming not just your immune system but your gut um and informing your gut about how you feel. Right, we've talked about this before, the mind

body connection between the gut um and also um. We're also finding out that that each person has a tailor made combination of bacteria in their body, and bacteria differs on your body depending on where it is, so it could be like a rainforest in one area or the desert in another area, So the workspace becomes a melting. Each of us is kind of a ship from a different nation, carrying its own mix of of individuals, ready to colonize a new world. And then our skin falls off,

as it does in the office place. People break wind, people's shoes fart as they walk. The pressure of your your feet and your shoes starts shooting out. So we're we colonize the world around us with our own particular cocktail of microbiology. And it's true, right because we we've talked about this again that the gut microbia that is in there is specific to your diet. Right, So if you eat a lot of sushi um then and you live in Japan, then you have a gut microbe that

can break down seaweed. And your that gut microbe, by the way, adapted itself from a marine animal, and it basically took up a sequence of that genetic code of that marine animal and then took it unto itself to then be able to use the sequence in your gut, so it could also break down seaweed. And that I think is the amazing thing is that bacteria can swap jeans and pieces of DNA with itself, and that makes

it highly adaptable. So not only are you walking around in your office with your own microbiome, but it's doing things that are specific to you. And now, let's say your office is not necessarily your traditional workspace. Let's say your office is roller Derby. Okay, what happens? Where? Where is my desk in the roller Derby? Are you saying I'm a roller Derby queen? You are a roller Derby queen. What is your roller Derby name? By the way, oh um, I like to stick with the show branding. I'll go

with Buster Stuffington. Does it need to be more lady like Busty Stuffington? Yes, that's my roller Derby name. Okay. I was going to say Lamb to the slaughter, but I don't know if that really like shows like hey like in the water you or is it an individual name, individual name, individual name. I'm going with Busty Stuffington. Okay? All right, all right, So you're you're in your office, which is basically like a roller Derby track. Okay, And

let's say that you're the home team. There are two other teams that are coming to compete with you in this tournament. Okay, You've got your microbiome, and your team, by the way, shares a similar microbiome. All right, So this is evidence that when we are grouped together in a situation, we began to share the same aspects of

the same profile of bacteria, which is interesting. Okay, Now, if you are um about to start your game and you begin elbowing someone and you just smash into one of the opposing teams, well, what are you doing when you come into contact with them? Well, I'm assaulting them with my elbow bones, but I'm also colonizing them with a little bit of skin flakes, at least skin flakes,

assuming nothing else comes off. Alright, So exactly now you're you're swapping your bacterial cells and what it's right, I'm getting some of theirs on me as well, especially get

them right in the kiss. Right. So what researchers have found, and this is fascinating, is that, um, not only do you share the same microbiome or aspects of it with your team, but by the end of that tournament, when you get swabbed again, you're going to find out that the other teams microbiomes that you swapped some sweat with are now trying to colonize your microbiome. Wow, they're trying to take you over, at least to the skin level.

And not only that, but your microbiome also has aspects similar aspects to the roller derby that you primarily work out of. So the opposing team is taking all of their bacteria from their roller derby hall and trying home microbiome advantage in a sense. Well you you you have the home advantage. Yeah, but they're bringing their environment with you. So what we're talking about here is like, here's an

extreme form of let's say an office community. It is not really an office community, but a job, you know, per se, and they are bringing their environments with them and they're sharing it with each other. So it becomes a very interesting question of to what extent can we affect each other with our microbiomes. So um I wanted to bring up a New York Or article called Microbiomes and Health, How we colonize each other with bacteria? Uh

Ball force our tour. He's a gastroenterologist at the University of North Carolina at Cheple Hill, and he specializes in inflammatory bool disease like say like crones He says that there is a growing stack of evidence, some published, some not that people who have lived with inflammatory boot disease sufferers for long periods of time they have a higher rate of it than them themselves than people in the

general population. So there's this growing idea that perhaps you could be colonized over time by someone else's gut bacteria, especially if you're exposed to that because as we know, if you, uh, if you flush the toilet, so the bacteria gets aerosol ized and then shot up into the air and then gets on surfaces, and then you can pick that up. That can that bacteria that you pick up on your hands can go into your mouth, go into your gut lo and behold you are and you're

introducing another bacterium. Huh. Now I'm thinking of now with the posters in the works in our all of our workspaces that you know, tell you what what sexual harassment is, and I think one of them is inappropriate touching. Does this count as inappropriate touching because I did not ask anyone to invade me with your microbiome and it's happening. Well, this is that This that's interesting because then you begin, okay, let's say we have this understanding the microbiome. That's really

like in twenty years, that's really advanced, nuanced. Do people become hyper aware of how they interact with others? Is it aggressive to swipe at someone that you don't know or you're trying to like get your so you have some sort of stomach ailment and you're trying to give them your gut bacteria. Don't even I don't even know what how it got in your hands in the first place, but you know it could just be an act of aggression or does it become like a rite of passage.

It's kind of like welcome to the family, Welcome. It's like being blood brothers with everyone, Like like we we welcome you into this opera space, office space, and now we shall have the ritual licking of the palms and high fiving, so the way we may all be of the same microbiome. Well, it's true. Just something symbolical like a handshake becomes that much more Right you start your first day of work and you have the handshake with people, we should all do the cough in the hand handshake

first day, just like the solidarity. Yeah, like you might as well say, hey, we you're gonna get colonized by by the microbiome here at work, so just let's go ahead and have at it. Yeah, hold for like five seconds, just to make sure everybody gets on. Yeah, yeah, all right, We're gonna take a quick break and when we come back, we will explore the microbiome roller Derby even more. All right, We're back with more roller Derby microbiome. We're back, all right.

We wanted to bring up Jessica Green and something called bio informed design because she's taken this idea, this idea that we're not just the germs on her skin or inside of our body, but we're also affecting our environments, and our environments are affecting us. And she is a biodiversity scientist and director of the Biology and the Built

Environment Center at the University of Oregon. She has a good ted talk on this and her work really is is trying to understand the role of the microbial ecosystems on human health. So she and her team decided to study the Littlest building. This is on the campus of the University of Oregon, and the reason why they wanted to look at it is because it has a nice bacterial stu in the form of classrooms, offices, and restrooms, and so in other words, you get again that fine

patina of feces in the form of restrooms. Right in the restroom spray. You get a nice transient population of microbial colonies from students varying backgrounds. Yeah, yeah, who are trap sing in all sorts of stuff right on their feet, on their hands that they just ate in their hair, in your ears, you name it. And then they have a stable population of colonies in the form of those

who dwell in the office space. So this this is such an interesting UM project to me because they took it and they worked with an architect and they sort of resurrected the building using computer program and then they started working to say, okay, well if we if we use this louver system with the windows in one part

of the building. And this louver system, if you've ever seen them before, they're they're pretty popular like in places like tropical places like Hawaii where you can just kind of move these metal grates in the windows and can move them so that they all line up and they're flat and they can keep the elements out, okay, or you could just move them and then they would open up a bit and you could get some real fresh

air flow in. Yeah, you do seem a lot in Hawaii where you have more of a stable constant temperature and you can just keep things pretty pretty nice with just the natural breeze. Yeah, So they used this um Sometimes they had natural airfloor airflow coming in and out, and sometimes they closed it and then they just used the ventilation system. And what they found is that they were really specific microbial colonies based on where they were, So those classrooms had a different profile than say the

offices or even the banks of elevators. And what happened is that when they open those lovers, they found that the microbial cloud dissipated with the introduction of fresh air. And this became really important because man is looking at how to best uh struct or manipulate that environment to

have a really good or healthy microbial profile for people. Yeah, it comes down to, like we we said earlier, this is all this old, outdated idea that we're creating a pristine indoor environment for our pristine indoor lives and that

that's completely cut out from the teeming living world outside. No, we can't have it that cut and try we're gonna have microbes living all in our environments, but we're gonna have a different type of environment and not necessarily and we'll certainly the research is saying not a better one, right, And she's she's very cautious about the research because it's

pretty early with this, a little too cautious. The interview I was seeing that kept like kind of trying to seed some like really mind blowing comments and she's like, I'm not going there just yet. Research is and which

is commendable. She's she's holding back and saying that we're working on that that's the next phase or the research doesn't really indicate exactly what kind of take we should have on this just yet, right, because she's saying that the next phase of their research is trying to lie ing up to two bits of this, the environment and the humans, the two kinds of ecosystems, and really bear out some some research that she already has a hunch about, but she wants to see them work together in parallel

before she says anything. And again, this is this is sort of a new field because if this bears out the sort of things that we think it will, then architects will begin to consider this in design, so you're not just gonna have a green building that has low carbon emissions, but you're also going to have a green

building with a healthy microbiome in it. So it's it's interesting because she she also is looking at the study with Portland or a Portland hospital, and again it's that mechanical ventilated rooms that is showing an increase in pathogens.

So in other words, if they didn't give this this hospital access to outside air to help dissipate that microbial cloud, then it turned out that those pathogens increased because again you're manipulating in the environment and you're making it uh so that these pathogens can live and actually thrive in it. And this is a hospital setting, so that's obviously a problem you have. You end up with your outdoor air and then you have your indoor air, and the indoor

air is full of things as well. It's it's not again not this pristine, clean stuff that we think it is. Uh. They're finding that the bacterial communities and indoor environments contain many taxes that are absent or rare outdoors, including again many of those that are tidy human pathogens. So you have this alti artificial environment, this kind of zoo of

weird things circulating in the air. And she's saying, like, you know, in terms of a hospital environment, it's a little like having a weed in your your backyard and just torching the entire backyard to get rid of the weed. The same thing as happening in these hospital environments. And it's important to have the outside air come in because you know, when you have traces of the outdoors and you have traces of say, soil come in, that's soil.

It turns out, is really important to create that profile of what a healthy microbiome might look like. In fact, there is a bacterium and soil called myceo bacteria and vici that scientists at the Stage Colleges of Troy, New York found can actually reduce anxiety and increase learning capabilities.

When yes, and of course this is in mice, but when they when they fed it to them or when they inhaled it, yes, it increased neuron growth and it caused the serotonin levels to increase, which reduced their anxiety. And then this is so cool when they wanted to test to see if it increased or enhance their learning abilities, researcher Dorothey Matthews and her colleagues fed them this bacterium, or rather one group and then a control group, and

then they let them loose on this maze. And it turned out that the group had been that had been dosed with the bacteria. Yes, although that would be for a second era of picturing humans instead of mice. And it was up crazy going through a maze after being dosed with bacteria. Somehow my mind they're naked, Yes, of course they're running naked through the maze. But those minds that that were dosed they actually were able to run through twice as fast with less demonstrated anxiety behaviors as

control mice. So there's this idea again that um, some of these bacterium or some of this bacteria is very helpful to the way that our bodies respond to our

environments and actually um navigate our world. Yeah, I mean, we all know that sunlight is good, you know, and you want of an office space that has windows in it, you know, you can want to get some natural sunlight, get some of that vitamin D. But but but but again, we all we fall into that idea that this is this is a clean place, and we don't want a bunch of dirt around, but we're actually smelling the dirt, interacting with the dirt, interacting with that outside air, far

healthier for us than that so called clean air that's coming out of that ventilation duct. Yeah. And you've studying after study about kids who that are exposed to dirt, particularly kids that live in rural areas, are on farms. They have a far more robust immune system than kids who are kept in very clean and environments. And as we you know, begin to learn more and more about microbiome and how it is gaining us in our environment,

I think this becomes really important. And I'm very intrigued by this idea of designing microbial environment for ourselves, particularly in our human habitats, which are our homes and our office spaces. Yeah, because that's really where we're leading with

all of this. I mean, that's the really the mind blowing idea of it here, is that reaching an age where you're designing a building, not only the structures they're they're present in the the engineering of the building and the look of the spaces and the movement of people through it, but also the movement of micro bacteria through it, the managing of the microbiome of the building almost like it's itself a living thing, and realizing that it's an

artificial environment and finding ways to to make sure that that skews in the positive direction instead of the negative. You know, I would love a little beneficial bacteria to be introduced during the winter months here in our office, because that's when we all get sick and we don't necessarily stay home when we should, and we cough all over everything. So it would be nice to sort of say, okay, we're going to fog the place with some good germs,

just bringing the dirt. You know, it makes me think of the some of the vampire myths where the vampire needs to sleep in in its own like grave soil, it's native grave soul. I believe that this was in the in bron Stoker's original Dracula, but he needed he need some of that girl Transylvanian dirt to bring it with. Yeah, So it's it's kind of like that, like maybe that's what it is, that the vampires need the natural microbiome that they knew in the grave. Just you know, new

soil and a new land is not going to do it. UM, So in addition to our yoga room that we would like in a meditation room, our labyrinth room, and our cafe, Holly requested a human dog rund room as well. All right, the human dog run room we'll need, um, I don't know, some sort of like dirt play area, some sort of backyard habitat. Yeah, or I guess like just like a Roman atrium where it's just open to the elements and it has plants growing in it and you know, a

statue of God. See when you make it all fancy. I like it here, I am. I'm just about to, like, you know, throwing a couple of pails for us in the dirt. But yeah, sculptures would be nice. All right, Well, there you have it. I think a few takeaways that we should make here. First of all, realizing that are the the artificiality of our indoor spaces, and how artificiality UM is not certainly not always good. UM. Open a

window if you can breathe in that outdoor air. And unless there's a warning that you need to stay indoors depends on what kind of city you live in. Here in the Atlanta we occasionally get those warnings. UM, smell the dirt. If you haven't already, make sure you smell some dirt, smells some plants. It's gonna help you. It may make you your brain work better, and it may reduce anxiety. And also take note that roller Derby girls are not just doing battle at the physical level, but

also the sell or level, the microbial level. So when you see the next tournament you see, just know that there's a different kind of calling and station going on. Well, they tend to look kind of grubby out there, so it's I mean good grubby, but you know they're sweating, there might be a little blood. You know, makeup is getting kind of smeared. So right now, ripe for these sort of conditions exactly for the sort of takeover one another.

Al Right, Well, on that note, let's call over our robot here, and let's let's go with a little listener mail see what people have shared with us. All right, this one comes to us from Sha. Sha writes and says, hello, Robert and Julie. I was pursuing past episodes the other day, and to my delight, came across the science of gremlins and magua. I'm all so a magua lover, Uh, the grimlins not so much, and proceeded to listen with attentionness and gusto as I performed my household duties as I

usually do, to the tune of your wonderful voices. I was very much enjoying the science of these fascinating creatures until about three quarters through the podcast, you, Robert, made a grievous era and had me doubting all faith in your scientific researchability and dedication to educating the masses with factual information. You were discussing survival in a natural environment and went on to say how pugs were selectively bred to be ridiculous lap dogs and would not survive in

a natural environment. Well, I never you, sir, have obviously failed to to really think about the design features of the remarkable pug breed. Luckily for you, I am here to fill you in. First. The eyes of the pug are very big and sit almost to the side of their cute little face. This is so that they can see predators and pray from all angles, an essential trait for survival. The curly tale of the pug isn't just

for being adored, but can aid in stick retrieval. Uh. They can quite easily hold onto a stick with that curl, and therefore achieve numerous things, such as they could build a shelter to keep them safe from the elements. Pugs are that sophisticated. If there happen to be two pugs holding sticks, they can rub them together to spark a fire. It could happen also holding a stick. It makes them

look larger and more threatening, perfect rewarding off predators. My pugs, yes I'm a pug owner, have very thick coats, which would certainly be enough installation in a milder climate, perhaps not the Arctic, but maybe here in New Zealand. Also, don't discount the use of a pug in a domesticated environment. A pug will happily warm your lap all day if needed in the winter. Well, I hope you have had an eye opening experience, and we'll think again before making

such ignorant remarks. Yours truly, Shay. Well, there you go. There's some there's some of nature's wondrous innovations in the form of the pug. Um the eyes of the pug. The eyes of the pug. I hadn't really thought about their certainly their prey so much. Um because their prey journal. He stays in one space, one place and squeaks when

it's poked um. But but you know, I did rag on the pugs some in that particular podcast, and I did have to self correct like a little like a few weeks later when I saw a pug helper dog on Marta on on the train going home from work, which gave me a whole all new respect for the pug is a useful breed and not merely a lap dog. So I had to take a lot back. I have a lot more respect for pugs, now, that's true. That's true.

You did bring that up, and you did say the pug is worth my time or more worth my time. But now I know they can build things and and and create fire. So yeah, I mean they walk softly and they carry big sticks. All right. Here's another one. This one comes to us from Heather. Heather says, Hello, I just listened to your coffee podcast and I had to write in I'm one of those caffeine intolerant individuals. I love coffee, but I have immediate and severe gastro

intestinal results when I drink a cup. Interestingly, I used to be able to drink coffee, tea, hot cocoas, soda, et cetera. But in college, one night I drank way too many ups as I was at a coffee house, around sixteen cups of coffee. I was quote unquote coffee drunk that night, nauseous, uh, spinning room, and had a bad hangover the next day. I had coffee, tea and soda after that, but started to be more sensitive to

it until I finally had to stop. Now, twenty years later, I'm even more sensitive to it because I have stayed away from it for so long. I can have chocolate solid, not hot chocolate, but I have only small amounts at a time. Thanks for the interesting podcast, Heather. You know, I was wondering what would happen to someone if they drank that amount, like, you know, just excess amounts. And now you know that's I mean, because you really have

to dedicate yourself to drinking coffee all day long for that. Well, there's a Futurama episodes where Fry drinks a hundred cups and had a hundred cups um time stops and he's able to move around supersed and save the day. This reminds me there was a convergence of our coffee episode and also our Stendelf syndrome episode we had recently. We had a listener right in and talk about having that Stendahl effect when they walk into I think a costco and overwhelmed by like the size and scope of of

commercial America and it gives them like physical unease. And then also we talked about coffee and about how it makes that you need to uh to poop well. UM. I recently went to a Costco for the first time, and I had been to a Sam's Club in the past, but I've never been to a costco UM. But my wife recently got a membership, so we we went there to buy some things in ridiculous bulk and UH, and

we were about halfway into the store. It's a huge space, like enormous space with just it's overwhelming, and I'm overwhelmed by the size of things. But then there's a guy handing out a little cups of coffee, so I take

one because that's what you do. And it made me feel a little more safe because I felt like I was back in a smaller Trader Joe's or something, and I'm drinking a little cup of coffee, but then I had to go uh and it was like, you are going there, okay, yeah, yes, yes, I had the coffee, and suddenly I really had to go to the bathroom. And at first I thought it was just like, all right, after I find the giant container of soysage that I need to find and bring that to the cart, then

I really need to think about finding a bathroom. But then I quickly realized, no, there's no time for so soysage. I need to find the restaurant and the dead center of the store, and I have no idea where it is. So I did, and I knew that I would given the distances involved, I would only have time to head for one corner of the store and hope that that's where the bathroom is and if it and if it wasn't there, then I would have to create one of

my own. Fortunately it worked out and I picked the right corner of the store, but it was it was a very frightening experience. Wow, I mean that's yeah, seriously, I'm glad that you dropped your soysage agenda. Yes, I didn't have a choice. Um so with the toilet supersized um. The bathrooms were nice, I was improved, but they were not enormous toilets, and there were not an enormous amount of them. I have heard that Costco was supposed to

be a fancier version of Sam's. Well, I haven't been in a stams in a while, so I can't really speak to that. But Costco was what's clean inside, and there were lots and lots of things to buy. So so if you ever find yourself a scout out of the bathrooms, first certainly before you have any coffee. All right, here's another one from a listener who wishes to remain anonymous. Uh. He writes in this is high blow the mind. Guys. When I got out of federal prison, I had three

years of probation. One of the terms of my probation was that I not play any soccer. Considering the playing soccer had nothing to do with my crime, it seemed ridiculous to me to give up playing. The problem was that I also have have to be polygraphed every four to six months. As the time for my first polygraph approach, and I was playing soccer four or five times a week,

I started to search for ways to get around it. Uh. The TAC technique, which we've mentioned in the episode about like putting attack in your shoe and causing some physical pain there. The TAC technique seemed a little too obvious, but the idea of creating a false baseline seemed like the way to go. As you may not know from watching movies and TV, the person administering a polygraph will only ask you yes, no questions, So the question is not what is your name, but rather is your name

in certain name? Here to create a false baseline, My simple solution was that whenever they asked me a baseline question, are you sitting down, do you speak English? Et cetera, I would imagine that he had asked me did you play soccer? This served the dual purpose of giving my line a little boost for the simple question, and when they asked the question about soccer, actually they would ask have you done anything in the past four months to

violate your parole. I was a little relief that I was finally being asked, and so my line wouldn't react as much in line talking about the line that goes up and down on the polygraphy. This all worked work to charm and I easily passed all of my polygraphs. The only trouble came at the one time I was so focused on asking myself the wrong question that when the polygrapher asked if I was sitting down, I immediately said, no,

I really enjoy your show. And if I ever get arrested again in my probation states that I can't listen to stuff to blow your mind, I am confident that I will be able to continue listening and pass my polygraphs. Uh any polygraphs they might give me cheers, Oh yeah, okay, that I mean that was firsthand knowledge on this, right, I mean what I love hearing that because you know, we we do all this research, and we you know, we have some anecdotal stuff from some of the research

that we that we call. But to be able to hear this person's playing this sort of game with that is really fascinating and how he or she went about it, yea with high stakes. All right, And here's a final one from Murphy. Murphy right senses high Robert and Julie. I've been drinking coffee since I was a little over a year old. I was begging for what mom was drinking, and she gave me a taste to determine the plan. Backfire caused me to grow up under the influence of caffeine.

After listening to your podcast, I wonder what life would be like without my usual one to three cups in the morning. But then I thought about I thought that any observation of myself will change the behavior of myself, and no accurate data will be recorded. It sounds like somebody's been drinking coffee this morning, and writing this thought could of course be a lie in my coffee saturated brain, invented to keep itself from having to live a day

abstaining from the delicious, delicious toxins. Uh. There is no good way to sum this up, Murphy, and people feel very passionate about their coffee. Yeah, it's the dark brown God, and UH, I depend on it, so I'm not gonna attempt to toward it. So there you have it. A

few listener mails to get through. UH. Sadly we don't have time for more in this episode, but we'll continue to try and the pimp them out, and we would love for you to keep sending them to us, particularly in regards to this episode, UH and in our previous ones about workspaces and the microbiome. In your workspace. Um, how does this change your way of looking at your work environment? How does it change the way you think about the air that's coming in through that event versus

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