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This is Robert Lamb and this is Joe McCormick. And it's Monday, the day of each week that we read back messages from the Stuff to Blow Your Mind email address. If you are a fan of Stuff to Blow your Mind, Weird House Cinema, all the episodes we do on this feed, and you have never gotten in touch before, why not write in? You can reach us at contact at stuff to Blow your Mind dot com. We appreciate all different kinds of messages, but especially if you have something interesting
to add to a topic we've recently talked about. Uh, let's see Rob. If you don't mind, I'm going to kick things off with a response to our series on Dust.
Let's have it.
Okay. This comes to us from Stephanie. Stephanie says, Hello, Robert, Joe and JJ. Longtime listener, first time writing. It's springtime in the Northern Hemisphere and that is why I could not believe that zero mention was made of pollen during the Dust series. Did I just miss it? I listened to Stuff to Blow Your Mind at bedtime, maybe I snoozed right through it. In my native German language, pollen
is called blutenstalb, which literally translates as flower dust. I looked this up and the translation I got was blossom dust, which I think means the same thing, but sounds to me even more elegant in English. So thank you for sharing that, Stephanie. We did briefly mention pollen as a major constituent of dust, I think, in part one of the series, but we certainly did not go into great detail on it anyway. After this, Stephanie goes on to
say some very nice things about the show. I'm not going to read all of them because it would be somewhat embarrassing, but I will say among these nice things, she mentions that she enjoys Weird House Cinema episode even though she has seen almost none of the movies we cover, and I assume from the message also means that she does not plan to see them, and she likes that Weird House Cinema episodes tend to be long. We will certainly take that. We you know, like, for whatever reason
you want to listen to them. That's great.
Though.
I got curious about this because we actually hear this a lot from listeners, don't we rob from people who say they're not really interested in watching the movies themselves, but they still enjoy listening to the Weird House episodes.
Yeah, we do hear this from time to time. I've not conducted account but enough that it is a trend. It's at least a subset of Weird House listeners.
I'm curious to learn more from fans like this, like specifically, what is appealing to you about Weird House cinema if you're not really very interested in weird movies or in movies at all.
I mean, maybe part of it is, like we watch them so they don't have to. I don't know. Yeah, maybe it's our witty banter. Maybe it's our bits of film trivia. I don't know.
Yeah, hard to say, but yeah, let us know if you want to share your thoughts. Also, Stephanie mentions that she likes how core episodes of the show combined things like poetry and other sort of cultural things with the scientific topics we talk about. And I appreciate hearing this from Stephanie because I think this is in fact a
primary value that our show provides. There are a lot of great science shows out there, hosted by many of them hosted by scientists, by people with direct subject matter expertise, which frankly, we don't have. We are not scientists, and it took me a while to realize that. I think one of the main distinctions of our show is that we are not scientists. We're sort of humanities people and arts people who love science and are very interested in it. So we work hard and try our best to understand
the subject matter and get the technical details right. But we approach the scientific content with a lot of you know, with arts and humanity brains, and a lot of the connections we make are specifically across that divide to the arts and to literature and so forth.
Yeah. Yeah, a lot of times, I mean, we're sharing our research journey with you, our creative journey with you. We become interested in these topics, and the shows kind of about us sharing our interests. But also, yeah, we're journalists to a flaw. We may go off on a related tangent in a given episode, and you know, I think hopefully that's part of the appeal of the show as well.
Anyway, at the end, Stephanie says, be well, and she adds a ps saying, your editorial meetings would be fun to listen in on. How do you decide what to take up as a topic on the show? What is your guiding principle, Stephanie, I think this might not be the most riveting answer, but I think this is the truth. Most of the time. It's literally as simple as one of us gets interested in a subject or a question, and we make a judgment that it would be good
subject matter for the show. So it's like two criteria, like number one, is this interesting to us? And number two do we think it would potentially be interesting to listeners? And that's about.
It, Yeah, pretty much. I mean we just kind of go back and forth, you know, and who's sort of taking the lead on a selection. And also I think there's a you know a great deal of trust where if one of us says, all right, next episode, we're doing it on I don't know, frog feed, you know, to the other one, we might we might initially wonder
is there really an episode in frog Feed? There might not be, this doesn't sound all that interesting, but we tend to trust that the other person is interested because they have found some ankle or they have figured out how it's interesting, and I mean it always that always ends up being the case. Yeah, And in general we always find that, you know, you follow any topic, you dive into any topic, you'll find the interesting things about it.
I'm trying to think what criteria actually end up with us most often ruling outer a topic. I would say the most common reason we decide not to do a topic is that we can't actually find very reliable sources on it.
Yeah, that can be it, I mean, and we should have the caveat that. There are different factors involved in weird house cinema versus core, but just talking about core science here.
I was thinking about core.
Yeah, I guess across the board core and weird House, if we realize that a topic starts maybe becoming a little bit too much of a bummer, that might deter us from pushing on. But not always. I mean sometimes it's I mean, they're necessary bummers in life. You can't avoid all of them. But I know there have been times where I'm like, get interested in a topic, but then I get down to it, I was like, do I really want to talk about this? And so that
can definitely be a factor. Also, I guess We tend to avoid super noozy things in part because those aren't very evergreen. They're often still developing, and if you sort of get in line to cover it, then you kind of you're agreeing that you're going to keep covering it. And sometimes that's fun. Sometimes that's the case for us, but generally we don't do those sorts of episodes.
Yeah, it's the newsiest to most recent topics we cover. That are the ones that I find we need to end up coming back and like doing corrections or updates on because like something we said in the episode isn't really lasting. I like it better when we can give give a topic some time to sort of get some second and third order commentary and analysis that we can digest altogether before we try to cover it.
Yeah. Absolutely, so there you have it. Partial answer, right, Yeah, all right, Well, thanks for writing in great points, great questions.
Totally thank you, Stephanie.
All Right, This next one comes to us from Jenny. Jenny writes it and says it's Hi, guys. I want to say I love the show. I've been listening for many years. I especially look forward to Weird House Cinema every Friday. Your recent series on dust was really interesting, but the last episode on dust storms reminded me of one of the weirdest days of my life. My husband and I were living in Manly, Australia in two thousand and eight. One morning we awoke on what appeared to
be Mars. The sky was red and everywhere there was sunlight it was red and at first I thought maybe it was wildfires that were too close to the house, but there was no smell or sight of smoke. What actually happened was a giant storm of red dust from Western Australia was covering Sydney and surrounding areas. The dust was high in the atmosphere and blocking the sunlight, but was not low enough to cause is shoes on the ground. The dust could be seen as far away as the
coast of New Zealand. It took about two days for it to move west over the ocean. If you google pictures of it, it's mine bending. In the Wikipedia article, the director of Blade Runner said he was inspired by it when making the sequel. I hope you check it out. My other comment today is on weird House Cinema. My background is in clothing and textiles. When you go over all the cast and crew. It would be nice if
you would include the costume designers. Sometimes you mention the way that the costumes play a large part in the field of the movies, and it would be great to know who's behind it all the best, Jenny.
Thank you, Jenny Well, first of all, yeah, about you mentioning the two thousand and nine dust storms in Australia. These really are crazy to look up. So if you've never seen images of it before, yeah, definitely give them a peek. And I can see exactly the comparison to specifically a certain scene or sequence in Danevilleneuve's Blade Runner sequel.
There's like, oh, is it when he's going to try to find Decord somewhere that there's like this red environment with just like the sky is opaque and orange, and uh, I think.
So, yeah, I've only seen that one once and it was it was visually stunning.
Also, Jenny, Yes, I agree that the costume designers play a huge part in the look and feel of a lot of great and weird movies. And we don't have time in our Weird House episodes to mention everybody who contributed to a film. There are a lot of people who make great contributions. But I agree that in tons of cases, especially of genre cinema, you know, fantasy and sci fi and horror, the kinds of things we cover more often, costume design place an especially important and underappreciated role.
I know sometimes we do single it out, we have done it before, but yeah, it's not like part of the regular template. However, I will say that one of the two possible movies that we're going to cover next week, if all goes to plan, will definitely include a call out to the costume people on that one. Whichever one it.
Is, all right, But yeah, in any case where we failed to mention a really notable costume designer in the past, sorry for the oversight. It's going to happen a lot because you know, films are huge projects with a lot of people making very important contributions, and they're all coming together, and so we do miss mentioning a lot of names and stuff. But generally, hats off to costume departments worldwide. They do great work.
Absolutely, all right, what else do we have?
Let's see? This next message is in response to our series about meteoric iron being used to make objects make artifacts. This is from Angelo and Angelo says, Hi, Robin Joe, I just listened to your first two episodes on meteoric iron. The idea of iron from meteorites being used to make weapons reminds me of the old Conan The Adventurer animated
series from the nineteen nineties. In that series, the main bad guy is an interdimensional wizard along with his hinchmen from a race of shape shifting serpent men disguising themselves as regular people. Their goal is to allow their master, a giant snake being, to enter our dimension. The only thing that can stop them is Conan and his sword, which is made of star metal, forged by his father from a piece of metal that fell from the sky. When star medal is put in close proximity, it reveals
the true appearance of the serpent Men. Of course, when Conan strikes them or holds the star metal sword long enough in front of them, the serpent Men are sent back into the other dimension from film. Throughout the series, Conan makes friends and gets helped by other warriors who use a variety of star metal weapons like bolas and ninja stars. Interestingly, some of the episodes were actually pretty close to the Robert E. Howard Stories. I wasn't sure if you were if you were aware of that show,
but I thought it might be interesting to you. Here's a link to the show's intro. Keep up the great work, and I look forward to part three of the series. Thanks Angelo, Well Angelo. I did look up the main theme to the Conan the Adventurer cartoon, which is very talky, Rob. Did you listen to the theme music?
Yeah, I checked out part of the clip you sent. This show was completely off my radar. I this was not syndicated in my childhood.
I genuinely can't remember if I had consciousness of this or not. It's kind of similar to like he Man and stuff, So I don't know if if I remember this specifically. But the opening theme has like a lot of narration. It's got like a guy talking who explains the premise of the story. And I gotta say, maybe we can feature a little clip of this opening theme music as well. It sounds like a parody of a nineties cartoon Theme's question.
This sounds pretty good. I did look into it a little bit. I noticed that the main baddie here is like a snake wizard and in the show he's called wrath Ammon, and I was like, oh, that sounds familiar. So there is a thoth Amon in the original Roberty Howard Conan stories. And then there's, of course, is Thulsa Doom that we also see depicted in Conan the Barbarian. This character would seem to be a combination of both
those characters. I think in the original stories Thulsa Doom doesn't have anything to do with snakes either, but thoth Amon does. And therefore, even the Thulsa Doom that we have in Coden the Barbarian is also kind of a mix and match of different elements.
That would make sense.
But I'm not an expert on Roberty Howard. I've only read a handful of Roberty Howard stories.
So I noticed something funny about the snake wizard guy in this cartoon, which is okay, so you know, these are all snake They're like reptile people who were disguised as regular humans, and Conan's sword reveals their disguise and reveals the fact that they're actually reptiles underneath their human skin. But the leader of them is like riding around in reptile themed attire. He's got like a reptile hood on and a reptile sort of snake armor set, so it's
like he's giving it away. I don't know why he's bothering to pretending to be a mammal.
I mean, maybe they wore snake armor and then you know, magical curse they become snake men. But they can't just get rid of the snake armor, so they're stuck with it. I don't know.
I already had this fitted. This is tailor can't get mammal armor. Now.
It's like gives the football team the Atlanta Falcons if they were turned into like human falcon hybrids by a vengeful witch, Like, are they going to abandon the mascot and get new uniforms? Like no, No, They're just going to magically disguise themselves as humans and keep wearing Falcons gear. That's gotta be right, all right, Well, thanks for writing in about this. I'm always delighted to learn about. In this case, you animated series that I had never heard of.
But this is fascinating. All right, this is a fun one. This one comes to us from Jeff. Jeff writes and it says, greeting science humans. I think we've heard from Jeff before I seem to remember that that opening, Jeff says, I actually saw Highlander two on a date. Oh it did not go well. I was making grumbling noises throughout as they showed the earthly named MacLeod and Ramires on
another planet. Ramires space alien, familiar with spaceship and teleportation technology, but confused by trucks, etc. And was in physical pain by the end of the movie. I had been talking it up beforehand, the same actors and director awesome part one, this is going to be great. When it was over, I was outraged and demoralized. But my date didn't see the problem. She thought it was no worse than any other testosterone sci fi action movie and couldn't figure what
all my sulking was about. That she couldn't see how bad it was drove me crazy. The fact that I considered highland Er two to be an appropriate date movie in the first place speaks volumes about who was truly at fault here, but that's another matter entirely. In the early days of the IMDb, back when the wounds were still fresh, Highlander two and Plan nine from Outer Space would swap places for worst reviewed movie in the entire database. I used to say that it was the most powerful
movie I had ever seen. It had the power to warp time and alter history, souring the first film through simple association. I generally appreciate a revisionist take on famously bad movies, but this one hits too close to home.
I still enjoyed your episode, though, to this day. When I see candles lit for loved ones in a Catholic church, particularly in the case if the candles have been replaced with flickering light bulbs and I can smack the top of them, I'll channel my inner Clancy Brown and quietly laugh as I pretend to snuff them out with my open palm when no one else is around.
Of course, Yeah, come on, now, don't be disrespectful in a church, even if you're celebrating your fandom of Highlander.
Yeah, come on, it's holy ground, holy grind. It continues at any rate, given that you spent two episodes on that soul crushing sequel, I am slightly less embarrassed about nominating perhaps my favorite crap best of all time, nineteen eighty two's Tron for the weird House treatment. I'm not even sure I want you guys to dissect this personal treasure and somehow it actually feels too wholesome for the show. But allow me to make the case. All right, now, I got it. We got a list of pros and
cons here. It's pretty long, but I'm going to it. Pros. It's another film from the peculiar era where the Disney Corporation had burned through all of Walt's ideas and was desperately trying to remain innovative and relevant, taking big chances with varying results. Black Hole returned to oz et cet
all right, Jeff Bridges, Jeff Bridges, and David Warner. Spectacular sound design sample included wonderful orchestral analog electronic score by Wendy Carlos, perplexing ludicrous costumes in an echo of the what are You crazy? No adult is going to sit still for a ninety minute cartoon snow white naysayer story. This was a huge bet on CGI in the era
where the very idea was laughable. Let's see okay more pros A bizarre and never replicated style created by blending actual CGI with classic animation, lighting, set design, practical and film effects, all aimed at visualizing a world most people had no interest in seeing in the first place. Cons it's a terrible film.
I've got some thoughts about this, but let's continue with Jeff's first.
Okay, the making of documentary included on the DVD is maybe more interesting in the movie itself. Their tools were so primitive they could scribble XYZ coordinates and pencil on graph paper facts the documents across the country, and then they had to wait days or weeks until they saw the result printed on film. They didn't even have video monitors for the computers. The live action scenes were augmented
manually on a frame by frame basis. Mistakes caused by unconventional use of film created aberrant images, which they leaned into within universe explanations, adding to the beauty and weirdness. When this movie came out, it was rare for anyone to own a computer or even use when at work, and most people were not familiar with even the simplest terminology. As a kid, I thought this film speaks to me. It helped that most adults, including some of the cast,
found it incomprehensible. It is somewhat embarrassing to admit how much it shaped my life. And career. I have watched it dozens of times and know most of the dialogue by heart, or at least did at some point. But still, it's a really bad movie. I'm pretty sure I knew it even then. It was never a movie you could show to a regular person and expect them to enjoy it.
But it is a fascinating, attempted moonshot of a film, filled with naive energy, both enthusiasm and skepticism for near future tech, and a lot of really bad dialogue and really bad acting by anyone not named Jeff Bridges or David Warner. And I would argue that while it might give it a run for its money, it's not worse than Highlander two. Probably. Okay, that's my pitch. Thanks for your time, Jeff.
Well, Jeff, I don't know if I agree that Tron is a very bad movie. I certainly I do think there are some things about the script that don't really work as intended. Some parts of the movie are more exciting than others, but I agree with your list of pros, and I think they carry it a long way. Of course, I love the main hero and villain. David Warner and Jeff Bridges are fantastic. I also love the computerized villain of the Master Control program and the way he manipulates
his underlings. There's particularly a scene that is burned into my memory where the Master Control system is taunting David Warner his hinchman and says something like He's like, you know, what if I were to slow down some of your compute cycles? And David Warner says, no, I need that, And so it's just great. I love the music, you know,
The Wendy Carlos score is fantastic. I have aired many complaints on this show before about movies that are too reliant on CGI, but that's mostly aimed at modern CGI that is attempting to look realistic. I think tronon actually much. I agree with your comments actually about the visual style of Tron. It embraces the limitations of early CGI in a way that makes for a very unique and stylish
visual flare of its own. So I like the way CGI is used and incorporated along with the traditional animation and live action in Tron. So I agree there are a lot a lot of the weaknesses I think are kind of things in the script that that could have been tightened up and made to work better. But but overall, I think Tron is a success, and and I really like a lot about the you know, just the aesthetics of it.
Well, I have I have not seen the original Tron in a very long time. I have, I've seen the sequel far more recently. I've played discs of Tron far more recently than I have seen the original Tron. So I don't know i'd be up for giving it another look, for sure. I think I had the story book with the audio casset as a kid, and that's probably the main thing I remember about Tron. But the sequel is really cool to look at. So I think I can
definitely feel you on this idea of early CGI. Yes, but creating, not attempting to create the real world, creating this artificial world, and therefore there's something okay about it. Now. I don't know how you would feel about applying these same thoughts to either film and the lawnmower Man franchise, but I imagine you could make a similar case.
Okay, I think that's genuinely different, lawndwer Man. You would have to you would be finding the diamonds in the rough there that actually is bad. But I would defend the core quality of tron It's fairly high.
All right, all right, I'm buying it. I'm down for some tron at some point if we want to do that.
Just want to say another thing that the Jeff mentions about the movie that is good, and I totally agrees that it has good sound design, just like the sound effects for say, the light cycle races are very cool. Like we can maybe get a little sample here if
you've never seen. At the premise of Tron is humans get sucked into a video game world where they must compete within these video games that people are playing in like an arcade, and they don't even realize that there are like little sentient beings down there inside the you know, planes and cars they're piloting around on the screen and stuff.
And so the light Cycles is like a puzzle action game where these motorcycles are racing around and they draw a line behind them as they drive, which turns into a wall and you can crash into the wall.
Yeah, it has some really cool vehicles and stuff in it, for sure. I remember the solar sale type vehicle being pretty cool. I guess it's not quite a solar sale. It's more of a laser sale vehicle, and I don't remember what it was doing or why it was doing it.
I think they're using it to try to escape the computer at the end. Okay, Yeah, this is Tron. He fights for the users.
Well, they have another one on the way. There's a twenty twenty five tron Aries coming out, so get excited. It's got Jeff Bridges in it, and also Gillian Anderson and also Jared Leto, so let's do it.
Okay.
Also, as for the high Lander feedback, that's exactly what we asked for. It was great to get a little more a little more insight into where people were when Highlander two came out and hit theaters. You know, the excitement mixed with the surprise and the confusion and indeed perhaps the anger. So yeah, thanks for writing in about that.
I mean it taught you a valuable lesson about not building movies up too much before you see them.
Yes, And I think it's always important to realize that a good movie is something special by whatever standard you're using to measure it, you know, and even just just dealing with your own personal like, you know, if a movie is feels special to you, that's great. But don't expect, don't count on a sequel occurring at all. And then if a sequel does happen, you know, if it's as good or better like, that's amazing. It doesn't happen all that often.
Really, Okay, should we wrap it up there?
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