Listener Mail: Hurdy Gurdy Man

that came out a while ago. Today our mail bought Carney smells heavily of of not just eggs, not just sulfurous, but like burned eggs, and I think that's that's a bad sign of things to come. But rob do you mind if I jump right in with this message from

Derek go for it? Okay. This is from the replay of our episode Into the Egg Chamber, in which we did talk about various not just the biology of egg laying an egg incubation, but also how cooked eggs can some times explode and so oh and one more thing before I start this, I I edited this message to remove various apologies for the length of the email, And here I want to issue a public service announcement. Folks.

If it's too long to read, that's okay. We either we just won't read it, or we'll pare it down before we read it. Either way, there is no need to apologize about the length of email. So I'm gonna try to try to avoid that in the future. When you know, one sentence here there might get through, but I'm trying to dance around it. We'll see how well we do so, Derek says, Hey, Robert and Joe, I'm writing in regards to your recent vault episode into the

egg Chamber. The strangest thing happened about a week after listening to the episode. I came back from work late at night to discover that someone had left something burning on the stove. Rushing to check what it was, I found they had been trying to boil two eggs. I don't know how much time had passed by the time I got to it, but all the water had evaporated from the pot, even though the lid was still on.

You can imagine what happened next. I went rate for the lid, and what followed was a loud bang, with the lid flying out of my hand and what I can only describe as egg shrapnel flying everywhere. Anyway, no one was hurt, and no one is owning up to it. This is this? Is this a family situation or a roommate situation? I wonder I like to imagine that this is just Derek and one other person. He's being very

polite in his vagueness about placing Blaine. H No, it was you, man, But why did I have the bowl bart um? Anyway, Derek goes on to say, I've been listening to your podcast for almost five years now and have been loving every minute of it. The topics you cover have something for everyone. I recently started a new job and for someone who is as socially awkward as I am, your podcast to save me many times because I can always bring up a different, interesting or weird

topic of discussion. Thanks for all your hard work. And I've tried to attach a picture of the eggs so rob I feel scrolled down in our document here these are Derek's eggs. I think this is a it occasion to use the thanks I Hate It meme. This truly does look absolutely revolting, and it looks like it smells like stomach churning Yeah, this is thanks for sending. Now. I guess this would go in line with what we talked about in the end of the Egg Chamber episode,

where there was the phenomenon of hard boiled eggs. I think often having been reheated in the microwave, that when somebody pierces them with a fork or bites into them, they will suddenly explode. And it's not known for sure why that happened, but the best hypothesis seems to be that there are little pockets of superheated steam that form inside the matrix of the oolk and when those pockets get released, they rapidly expand and kind of turned the egg into a bomb. Yeah, and that seems like that

maybe what happened right here in this picture. Yeah, maybe moving the pot disturbed it or something, but I wonder that anyway. That's uh. I'm glad no one was harmed. I hope the culprit is found. Yeah, all right, here's another bit of listener mail. This one comes to us from the Home dat Abroad um Home dat Abroad Rights. Greetings, Joe and Robert. There are many aspects of your two partner on numbers that sparked great interest in thoughts for me.

But what inspired this note was your query concerning different finger counting systems back in the seventies. Until third grade, I was segregated from the larger student body and experimental class that combined four years of interacting students and three shared teachers. When the time came for educational seminars and conventions, one of the three would rotate out to attend and invariably return with new ideas and approaches to test on

our captive minds. One such convention during my first grade year produced a new methodology for finger counting, which was implemented immediately in the classroom. It consisted of using both hands. The right represented single digits and the left was double digits. The four right fingers were one and the thumb was five. The left fing ers were each ten, with the thumb

as fifty. Just using the two hands, one could easily count to If one extended from the left hand two fingers and the thumb, while extending four right fingers, it would produce the number seventy four. By shifting the fingers, it became possible to quickly add, subtract, multiply, and divide. It would take a much longer email to adequately describe the various techniques that I still barely remember. But it was smooth and easy and would often result in the

dropping of pencils. This became our go to method in class for counting and learning the multiplication tables. Subsequently, it allowed me to teach myself how to divide at least a year before it was covered in the curriculum. The system was not adopted outside of that class, which was sadly disbanded when I entered fourth grade, and I have never been able to track down information online about this method.

Despite it all, I default to that method to this very day and risk the dropping of my phone in lieu of pencils. Sheers the home down I brought. This is really interesting. I've never heard about this before. Yeah, this I would I would be very interested if anyone out there listening knows what this counting system is. This number system happens to be and uh, yeah, we need to to to put a name to it. Maybe it's

number one. I don't know. Well, Rob. There is an email we also got from longtime correspondent Jim in New Jersey about a finger counting system that sounds kind of similar. Actually, do you want to read this one too. Sure? This is from Yes, from Jim in New Jersey, Robert and Joe. Anyone with four fingers in a thumb on each hand can easily count into basic arithmetic with number zero to using a technique called chiss and bop. You use the fingers on each hand mimicking one rod with a five

bead the thumb and four one beads the fingers. The right hand represents units, the left hand represents tens. Jim in New Jersey PS a podcast on non electronic computing devices such as the Abbicus and slide rule would be a good addition to this series. I just open this up in another tab to look at it. Chisenbop is a Korean finger counting system. Actually the word comes from the Korean for finger calculation chi or chichi meaning finger and scent pop or send beyop. I think for calculation. Oh,

very interesting and uh and I agree with Jim. I think I think it would be great to do an

episode on non electronic computing devices. There's some really really really fun stuff absolutely so I was just trying to think about something funny, like what is the correct technological analogy for the mental skill you learn that allows you to better or more efficiently perform numerical and mathematical tasks with the aid of body parts like fingers or external tools, like the way that the Ashango bone might have been used if the if the hypotheses about it are correct,

I guess what I'm looking for is something that is neither quite software nor hardware, but the or maybe it is a kind of software. Be the mental software upgrade that makes better use of the existing hardware. Would that be like the device drivers in your head? M yeah, I don't know. I'm not sure what the what the actual terminology for this would be, but as we explored

in those episodes, it goes way back. You know, this actually makes me think about how while there are standard finger counting systems, I guess there's nothing to prevent somebody from coming up with a totally idiosyncratic finger accounting system, right like just making up some system on their own and using that. I wonder is anybody out there ever did anybody do that? Did you go your own way with finger counting, some sort of self taught uh finger

accounting system? Like you know, what kind of system would we come up with if if one wasn't presented to us. Maybe, like you know, each wrinkle on the back of your

knuckle means something. I'm not sure. Yeah, okay. We also got some messages in response to the episode that Seth and I did about musical free san Uh, Rob, do you want to read this one from Hannah or should I just I can jump in in Hi, Robert Joan Seth loved the episode on musical Frissonne and although I'm sure you're getting tons of emails like this one, I wanted to share something that tends to set off my own musical frisson. Crowds singing together. I think it is

a combination of a couple of things. First, is the pure volume of that many people singing in unison and probably at the top of their lungs. Second, I think it is the almost magical feeling that comes from communal singing. If I'm witnessing it in person, especially if I'm joining in, I'm obviously feeling that magic directly. And even if I'm listening to a recording of a sound of a crowd singing, I can still get those chills because I can imagine

how awesome that moment must have felt. The last aspect that does it for me, which I'm sure not everyone appreciates, is that I love, love, love imperfect vocal performances, not so much like wasted karaoke level, but maybe someone who is untrained but giving it their best shot, or a highly skilled vocalist who maybe loses control for a little bit.

I think it may tie into the performance, subverting my expectations with things like a breath taken in a weird place, a quick vocal crack, or a half second where they're

slightly out of tune but then lock in. I know a lot of people are not really fans of the crowd singing along during a concert quote I paid to hear so and so singing, not their fans, which I understand to some extent, But for me, it's one of the things I love most about a live performance, and something I've grown to appreciate even more since the pandemic took it away. Not just experiencing something you love, but experiencing the way other people love the same thing. Just

my two cents love the show so much. Hannah p s. After Joe mentioned chrono trigger in a listener email episode, I gotta know if any of you have played Zeno Gear. Zeno was Zeno Gear Gears, Zeno Gears Gears? You know gear? What was Alien Pinball Machine? Is this what we're we're talking about? Alien Invall Machine, Zeno Gears? Or is it racing? It's like Mario cartl really have no idea. Well, I

would guess it's an RPG from what Hannah is saying here. Okay, she says I was a little too young to play it when it first came out, but played it out emulated last year, and there's a lot about it that seems right up this show's alley, lots of max and gnosticism. Well, obviously from what we were saying. No, I have not played you Know Gears. I'm not like a big like JRPG or even RPG in general. Guy, I just happened to have at some point played Chrono Trigger, which is

a wonderful game for the Supernintendo. Um that is definitely worth going back and revisiting on emulator or whatever if you can. But but beyond that, I don't know a lot about RPGs of that era. Well. Um, Hannah makes some some great points about communal singing. Um, I don't know if if I am necessarily is moved by just

choral performances so much. But I do appreciate the experience of communal singing like I I enjoy singing as a part of like a church congregation or um, you know, doing like Elizabethan Christmas carols whilst begging for wassaal that sort of thing. Uh. You know. Part of it is like growing up with these songs and the shared culture of these songs. But there's just something also fun about everybody, um,

you know, everybody singing these songs. At the same time, you're getting your your sinking up your neural networks to a certain extent and engaging in this sort of you know, communal you know, uplifting of music. Yeah. I mean this very much reminds me of stuff we talked about in our episode on the the emotion of Kama Muda, which has to do with, you know, the these sort of communal emotions, and I I feel that very much with

crowds singing along to music that that they love. So I love crowd singing along to music, though I have the exact opposite reaction about something. Rob. I don't know if you've ever been to a show like this where the crowd just cannot shut up during rest sore pauses in the music. So like anytime there's a rest or anytime a song gets quiet, people start going whoa. It drives me nuts. I hate really, I don't know. Sometimes

that's the time to woo. That's that's when you let them know, like the song has been really hot and heavy, and then you know, it goes down a little bit, and and that's when you can get through to the musicians on stage. Well maybe if it happens once in a concert, okay, but I've been to concerts that literally every quiet moment was filled with woo's and unacceptable. I think sometimes I'm thinking particularly about well, I guess like tool songs come to mind. That was the last concert

I went to. UM is that sometimes like the you're you're on a ride with this song, and it can be a rather long song, you know, and it's it's it's hitting me hard, and then you finally get to the part where things quiet down a little bit and there's a short break, and you know, part of it is it's quiet and I can yell and be heard, but also it's it's it's like you've you've come out of the tunnel, right you've you've you've reached be not the end of the roller coaster, but like this is

your your chance to uh to express what you've been feeling the last five minutes. I don't know now in terms of people singing along with songs, I probably have found it uh slightly annoying at times, but I tell you I will take it every concert for the rest of my life. Over anybody, UM, like visibly filming a show using their their phone or essentially but like watching

the performance through their phone screen. That is the absolute worst, because I'm trying to focus on the performance and instead like your gooney face is illuminated by your phone, and and there's the footage of the thing we're trying to watch in real life, and uh and I have to like look at that as well. Um that that gets on my nerves to no end. Musicians love it. Look out in the audience and just see a sea of phones.

But another thing, Hannaman shad this is the certain types of imperfect vocal performances UH caused causing frees on for her, and I can definitely identify with that. In fact, one of the best examples of a frees on trigger of in Like All of Music, which we played briefly in that episode, is the backing vocal track from the Rolling Stones song Gimme Shelter, which is sung by a singer

named Mary Clayton, who is a fantastic singer. But there's a part where she's singing so hard that her voice just kind of cracks, and and it's those cracking moments where like the person who is a great singer is singing with such intensity that like they're they're singing falters that that's like incredibly powerful. Oh yeah, Mary and Faithful is wonderful. Um, she's no, No, Mary, Mary Clayton is well. I still stand by the fact that Mary and Faithful

is pretty great. She's great too. Didn't she have some connection to the Stones? I think she was. She may have sung with them. I think she and Mick jaggerbick together at some point. Maybe that's where. Yeah. Anyway, yeah, Mary Unfaithful. Uh, I really like her as well. The memory remains. I'm gonna say it, great Metallica song. I like that. I like that song. I'll put that I'll cue that one up sometimes and listen to it. A divisive pick I know load. Well, let's reload. I can't

remember it's unload unload. What's the other one? Yeah? But no, this is Mary Clayton, but Mary unfaithful? Also very good? Yes, okay. A few more messages about free soon. One comes from James. I think this might be the same correspondent who we were getting back and forth with about GEX at some point, unless I'm mistaken anyway, James says, good day, Joe and Seth and Robert Um was excited to see your recent episode on the subject of musical free song appear in

my podcatcher. It's a sensation I've experienced for many years, but only recently learned its name game, which I've been pronouncing incorrectly. Whoops. I wouldn't worry about. I mean it sounds like people just say different ways. Uh yeah, say however you want. I most frequently feel it when I have a strong personal memory tied to a song, such as pop punk tunes by the Atari's that I listened

to endlessly while daydreaming about early crushes in high school. Additionally, I've often found remixes of classic video game melodies trigger frees on is they rekindle fond memories of a blissfully wasted childhood. One that always does it for me is the nerd core artist Mega Rand's track for the Gamers, which features samples and lyrics related to many beloved games.

I'm curious if this song elicits frees on when the build up completes uh and gives a gives a time stamp here for others who grew up loving these games. While I'd always assumed it was just a subjective feeling based solely on personal memories and anticipatory dopamine release resulting from rhythmic pattern recognition and prediction, makes sense too. I noticed your examples of the replacements Alex Chilton and Mary Clayton's singing on Give Give Me Shelter, both causing the fun, fuzzy,

warm feeling for me. So it's hard for me to argue on the subject of the feeling itself. I associate it more with a warm tingle than a cold shiver, and the the term this is a term that was cited about it skin orgasm. Though it's obviously not a sexual experience, doesn't seem too far off problematic, though it may be at any rate, this episode really hit home, and as your recent video game correspondent. If you'd do me the honor of bestowing such a title, I couldn't

resist replying to this one. Please keep up the great

work with one of my favorite podcast Cheers, James. I love what what James brought up here about for some and it's in its connection to two things where it's not just the music that you're that that is in your mind when you're experiencing this, but it's something that has become immersed with the music, particular memories or in my case, it will often be a song that I was listening to while I was reading something that made had a big impact on me, you know, a work

of fiction or or um a piece of music. I was listening to a lot whilst envisioning a Dungeons and Dragons campaign, that sort of thing, you know, where the two becomes so uh linked together and then they also there's like this feedback loop, I guess, or this uh the system where each one makes the other more potent.

Like the music is more effective because it makes me think of the Dungeons and dragon setting, and then you know, thinking about the Dungeons and dragon setting is more, uh more of an experience because of the music that I'm listening to while I'm doing it. Music and a vacuum can definitely elicit it, though. I think some of the studies we were looking at found it was especially common with things like film scores, and I think that there

may well be a reason to that. It's not just that film scores are particularly free so on inducing in sonic terms, but that they are paired with scenes in movies, and these scenes bring their own emotional heft and sort of compliment the song in various ways that they create these emotional associations. Yeah, to just crank it up to where it's just absolute emotional manipulation. Yeah, you know. A quick example that comes to mind is the Hurdy Gurdy Man song, which which I don't think I ever had

a real effect, right, Yeah, I don't think it ever. Really. I always appreciate it as a nice song, but it wasn't until I saw it used in the Fincher's Zodiac Zodiac where it's like it's it took on a new quality for me, and uh, and it just gives me the shivers when I hear it now if it's used in another I saw it recently in a TV show Um. That was also had had a great sense of style and in setting, but it instantly brought me back to Zodiac. Yeah.

It's funny how really good use of a pop song in a movie can sort of change that song forever, Like you can't think about it without thinking about the movie. For for me, it's both sides now. I can't hear it without thinking of Hereditary. Oh yeah, I haven't seen Hereditary yet. Oh wow. Okay, well, I don't know if I know this song either, so I'm really look it up. Joni Mitchell. Wait, wait, wait, how's it go? I've looked at clouds from both sides now, from up and down?

I mean cheese if I do too much? Yeah, yeah, you know. No, Okay, I know the song. Yes, Moons and Junes and Ferris Wheels, the dizzy dancing way you feel and pieces on the ground. So think that's a different Sweet dreams and flying machines. Getting back to listener mail, Okay, uh, let's see Rob, do you want to do this one?

From Robin here? Absolutely all right? From Robin Um. Also addressing the Comfort in the Box episodes, Hi, Rob, Joe and stuff, I am catching up on some of your episodes from the latest round of work from home disruption, and I tend to listen to more podcasts during regular work than when working from home anyway, listening to your comfort. In a cat addition episode, I had a short comment on the idea of some kind of a three D social chess that cats undergo with their square sitting behavior.

The young adult fiction author Diane Dwayne, in her on her Majesty's Wizardly Service series about cat wizards, introduces the concept of haish. It is essentially an ongoing game of three D social chess where postures, sightlines, attention, position, actions, et cetera all play a part. I found it a particularly delightful and satisfying way to explain in fiction what all cat owners or cat observer's notice exactly what you

were discussing? Uh, there sometimes inscrutable behavior. On a separate note, for the experience of musical Frozen that was discussed in the episode with Joe and Seth, the piece that always gets me even now thinking about it as I type is Mountains from the Interstellar soundtrack by hand Zimmer, crank that baby up, and get ready to shiver. The entire organ music content of this soundtrack is extremely evocative. Cheers

Robin film scores again, Yeah, and hand Zimmer. Hand Zimmer is one of those artists that, Yeah, sometimes I barely notice his music, but when he's a when he's working at the right score and it's the right picture, Yeah, he's he's amazing. I mean I tend to, I think, over associate him with the way his Batman score sounded was so very heavy on, like the brass part of the orchestra, the kind of rang thing. But but yeah, he's got more range than that. I believe other other

movies are more melodic. Maybe. Yeah, I think sometimes I set myself up to dislike his his music just because he's such a huge name that I forget that the Yeah, he's he's got this terrific range and he's a he's a famous composer for a reason. I think. I know, I'll have to look it up after we record, but I think I know this one from Interstellar and it is it is moving, all right? Do we want to wrap up and mentioning a couple of weird house cinema messages.

Let's do it, Okay. This first one comes from Scott. Scott says, dear Robert and Joe I was delighted by the subject of this week's Weird House Cinema episode, Death Moon, because I happened to be moving to uh is it Kauaii? Is that how you say it? Um? Kawaii for a job opportunity. With that in mind, it would be very

interested in an episode dedicated to Hawaiian mythology. Per Robert's request for listener feedback on the subject, best Scott, Okay, we got we got a thumbs up for coming back to Hawaiian mythology, and I imagine that would get heavily into Hawaiian monsters, right, That's that's often our entry way

into such discussions. Um, I think you know, a little a little of it might be coming a We have some upcoming episodes that deal with with Polynesian culture, So I don't know if we're going to get into any mythology and those or not, but but certainly down the line, I think we could do something that involves monsters that gets into Hawaiian mythology. Those upcoming episode well, I don't want to spoil too much, but they're a little bit

more Polynesian science and technology focused. But but yeah, we should, we should definitely do Polynesian Beasts and Wonders and stories as well. Yeah, all right, here's another weird house cinema listener mail. This one comes from Country. Hello guys, if you're in search of a genre bending weird house film, try to fine British space vampire flick Life Force from Yes.

It is streaming on Amazon Prime. I recommend it for both the extremely dry line delivery by all the actors and the improbably great uh special effects, some of which are definitely practical, which I love. I clicked on this flick thinking it would be a good, forgettable be movie to play in the background while cooking, but it turned out to be far too strange and original not to actively watch. And also I vote yes to an episode on cross cultural man beast myths. Thank for the hours

of free brain massaging Country. Oh and ps, the movie staceships and creatures look a lot like the entities in Watts blind Side. Oh. I never would have made a connection to blind Side, but oh yeah, you you know us, well you I think we I can say we both love Life Force, right Oh yeah, I mean now, I have to admit it's not a film that I've seen in recent decades, but but it has I finally look back on it, so I would be up for watching it again at some point. It has so many bonkers

elements in it, some great practical effects. Toby Hooper. Yeah, Toby Hooper at the Helm though, wasn't it was? It was? Was somebody else involved in well as well in this? Or was it Toby Hooper was the I know he directed it, but I'm trying to remember if this was like a big studio venture that had other fingers in the pot. I'm looking it up now. Terrific cast though. Oh well, it was written by none other than Dan O'Bannon, who is Oh, that's who I was the Yeah, it's

also a Dan O'Bannon picture. Some of the great horror inside by movies. Dan O'Bannon behind, of course, the writer of Alien and Umtal writer. Yeah. Was he Total Recall? Okay? He was involved in Total Recall? Yeah, well, if so, that's a great movie. Also a writer director of Return of the Living Dead, which is maybe my favorite zombie movie.

That's a great one. Yeah. I'm getting repped up into some We're gonna have to do some zombie stuff for Weird how Cinema going forward, because I I don't know that we've done a proper zombie film yet, and there's so many good ones and I'm I'm starting to fill myself get into zombies again. It's coming back. Yeah, I'm

still weary. I mean, zombies were sort of my first love when I was getting into horror movies, and really I don't know, having having just total cinema geek outs, I started with like Dawn of the Dead and all that, and it was I for some reason, it felt unique to me at the time, but I realized I was part of a cultural zombie craze that took place in the two thousands. I still don't know exactly why that happened to be interesting to analyze culturally, like in terms

of what trends contributed. That may have just had to do with things like they're being remakes of Dawn of the Dead coming out then and stuff which I never never actually saw. But yeah, I went zombie crazy, just like everybody did in the two thousands, and then I got so burned out on zombies I thought I never wanted to see a zombie movie again. But but I'm coming back around. Yeah, I think I was pretty burned

out on on um as well. For some reason, I watched the news exc Snyder Army of the Dead picture on the airplane on my recent trip, and uh, you know it's it's and depressing. You know, it's a movie. It's a If you're gonna watch an it really zombie film on an airplane, then go for it. Um. I skipped around in it. But then on the trip I was reading the new Raven Loft Book for Dungeons and Dragons, the fifth edition, and their use of the use of

zombies in one of the particular domains of dread in that. Uh, that really captivated me. And now that I think that's what has has has got me interested in zombies again. It's it's Dungeons and Dragons. It's it's done it once more. But I guess we did watch a zombie movie, didn't wait, we watched uh we watched the Shockwaves movie. Oh yeah, I mean that was zombie light there. Um. Yeah, Well, coming back to Tontry's recommendation here, Yeah, Life Forces is

absolutely bonkers. It is. It's funny. I've never thought about it this way, but yeah, I think some of the strangeness comes out of the out of mixing how bonkers. The premise is with some of the extremely dry, very British, you know, almost Charles Gray level of dryness, uh, performances by some of the main actors. Yeah. And and then also there are some very I don't know how juvenile the plot is, but there were elements of it that

definitely appealed to juvenile viewers. Um. You know, there's the silliness with the you know, some of the silliness of the monsters and the basic concept. And then I think there was a lot of arguably unnecessary female nudity in the picture. Um. And then yet I have this sort of this this very very dry British dialogue on top of all that. But yeah, i'd be I'd be up for looking at that movie again. Is that the second movie that Dan O'Bannon made that was in some way

inspired by A Planet of the Vampires? I guess so, yeah, because you can draw lines from Planet of the Vampires to um to both Alien and this film. Um. So that the Planet of the Vampires. That's another film I watched on the airplane. Uh, that that one? Uh what that was a streaming on the plane. Wow. I brought it with me on my phone pre downloaded off of Prominent. Yeah, and uh, and I've been meaning to watch it in full and I finally did. Um and I think I

was telling you about this. It's it's It's not an exciting movie in terms of plot or performance, but absolutely breathtaking to look at, just wonderful visuals and colors and sights and sounds. Well, speaking of movies that are right to put on while you're cooking, as Tantry says, uh, she did here, I I sometimes also put on movies while I'm cooking or just while I'm hanging out with people.

Playing The Vampire is a fantastic movie to do that with. Yeah, all right, Well we're gonna go ahead and close up the mailbag here. I do have one last bit here, and that is a plug for Corridor Magazine. As many of you may remember, our former co host, Christian Sager, masterminded a weird art fiction and non fiction publication called Corridor last year. Uh, they ran a kickstarter that was successful, and I'm I'm to understand that physical copies are currently

making their way to the owners. And if you didn't get in on the kickstarter, you can pre order yourself up a copy as well. Um, I think you just go to the Kickstarter page for Corridor, but if you want to go to their social media accounts to get more of like a definite link to where you need to go. On Facebook their Corridor Publications. On Twitter they are Corridor Pubs, and on Instagram Corridor Publications. Uh so

pick it up. I've I've I have reviewed. I have not had my hands on the physical copy of but I've looked at a PDF, very colorful, full of all sorts of exciting written works, and i even wrote a futuristic shark short story in there that has a really cool illustration. So check it out. If that's your thing, it sounds great. I'd love to read it. Yeah, I'll get you a copy, all right. Well, if you want to write into us, do so. We'd love to hear

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