Listener Mail: Holiday Beasts

from Colleen. Colleen says, hi, I listened to your episode about Crampus the other day and since then have seen several posts about it slash hymn slash her on Facebook. Unfortunately I missed the event. But here's a story from NOLA dot com. So I guess Colleen must be must live somewhere around the New Orleans area. And uh. She attached a link to a NOLA dot com article told by Doug mccash from December six that I looked up and was pretty great. So, so I want to read

some parts from this article. You ready, Rob, Yeah, let's do it okay. So uh, the article begins. A reverse parade took place in Gentilly on Saturday night. Instead of costumed marchers passing a curbside crowd, eight performers covorted on the side of the long curving driveway at the New Orleans Recreation Development Commission headquarters on Franklin Avenue while a steady stream of four hundred cars rolled slowly past. It was a Christmas time event with a twist because the

star of the show wasn't Santa, it was Crampus. So apparently New Orleans has been having Crampus events since maybe ten or so. Yeah, this was something we talked about

in the Crampus episode. We talked about sort of the Crampus revival that has been sweeping the world and uh And in particular, I think at the time I this was in I had just come back from New Orleans because up until for several years there it was my family's tradition to go down and visit some family in southern Mississippi and then go over to New Orleans for a couple of days, you know, go to uh beach Bumberri's,

get a get a tiki drink, etcetera. And at the time I remember seeing like, oh, there's gonna be a Crampus parade oh, and it either begins or ends. I forget which at this this German restaurant that looked pretty interesting, and so I was talking about that in our Crampus episode. A German restaurant in New Orleans. Well, yeah, no, okay, I can see it. I mean New Orleans has amazing restaurants. New Orleans is if wherever back in the Traveling Times,

New Orleans is such an amazing city to visit. It's like it's got to be like the most unique city in the world, right, I mean it's just like, yeah, yeah, there's there are a few places like it for sure, especially in the United States. I mean it is New

Orleans is New Orleans. Yeah, But so anyway, going on. Uh. The annual crew of Rampus Foot Parade couldn't take to the streets as usual this year because of coronavirus concerns, but founder Mike as Sordi, a director of web strategy for the University of New Orleans, and fellow crew members figured out how to conduct a COVID conscious alternative. The Crampus Drive through Parade blended elements of the Yule Tide season with Halloween and Mardi Gras. The experience for passing viewers.

Began with rows of dancers from the well known pussy Footer's Carnival Troupe and a cluster of led lit drummers. Then came a lavishly costumed st Nick surrounded by members of the Crescent City Faye Marching Club, followed by strange snowy witches known as the Silent Sisters of s. After that appeared one incarnation of Crampus after another, with glowing red eyes, unkempt coats of fur, serpentine tongues, and malevolent intentions.

The Christmas Tree decorated with human skull, the Bad Child, the Bad Child pleading to be freed, and the eerie shadow puppet show. We're all uh nice touches. I liked the momentum, said automobile born audience member Gina Murphy. At first you said, oh, this is going to be fun and light, but then it got heavy quick uh And then later in the article, UH. Car passenger Carly Frankitch

said her favorite part of the presentation were the weird fairies. Sure, she said, they were taking souls, but they looked pretty well they were doing it. Frankitch's young son, Miro coats safe in his car seat, said that the ride had provided a mixture of fun and fright. This is awesome. I really have to salute the Crampus crew based on this, because I have to say it's as it was, suddenly cramps knocked here in. I was initially was like, oh great,

it's Crampas time again. And I was like, oh wait, I hope I hope that the Crampuses of the world can handle it, because sometimes, as we discussed in that episode, Crampus traditions can get a little out of hand. They can they can create the sort of like animalistic, lawless uh sort of atmosphere that might encourage rule breaking, and I really didn't want that for the cramps um Uh devotes this year. So it's nice to see that the Crampus crew was keeping it safe but also keeping it

authentically disturbingly weird. You know. I gotta say, normally I'm kind of a fan of rule breaking, but I guess not when it's public health rules. Yeah, and you and with the and also you know that big tongue and you know, a wide mouth. You know, Crampus needs to to mask up if he's actually going to go out among the people. So it's good that there's a car

window between what he's doing and what we're doing. I mean, Crampus is inherently unsanitary, like can you imagine Crampus wearing a mask, keeping his distance, wiping down the basket between each child. Yeah, spraying the this is the switches and whatnot? All right? Should we go into this message from Chris. Yeah, this is Chris Chris Wrightson and says, high fellows, just listen to your great Crampus episode. Here's the topic you

may find interesting in the future. Many cultures have a creature like Crampus or St. Nicholas that visits every house at the end of the year with different purposes. Gumang from China, uh, Sylvester Clause from Switzerland, Olga Namahanga from Japan. Japan has many different haga. I said, Hey, I'm not sure if it's hajor hag a um but anyway, but all with the same purpose. And Kukiri from Bulgaria. Just a thought, take care and keep up the great work, Chris.

I wanted to include this email because I had to look up images of what Sylvester Klaus looks like, and Sylvester Claus is scarier than any crampus at least the versions I found are a guy with some buckles almost like uh like a like a a slip knot member number of buckles on his costume, and then foliage all over his body, on the top of his head like a big wreath of some kind of evergreen limbs. But then just the face of rattle shirt, just bone bone

lord face with weird bone teeth and googly eyes. Yeah, I get it's kind of a sense of a pagan holiday gar cost him from the Yeah, you know. Our next listener mail that our our mail body here has for us also happens to relate to a forest dwelling be steel creature. Very nice transition. So this is a straggler message that we found. I think this actually did come in back in October, but this is about our Halloween episode on The Leshy and it comes from Laura.

Laura says, hey, guys, longtime fan of your show. I recently listened to The Leshy and I'm taking you up on your offer to share my own, luckily brief experience of being lost in the woods. It was during a solo through hike of the Pacific Crest Trail. I was halfway through Oregon, when a handwritten sign on the trail notified me of a ground nest of wasps up ahead, so I scrambled up the steep mountain side about ten

meters off the densely wooded trail to avoid it. Because of the steepness and thick vegetation, I immediately lost sight of the trail only a few paces into the woods. Not wanting to get stung, I kept moving off a little ways until I felt safe from the hornets and started to parallel the trail. What I didn't realize was that at some point it switched back beneath me and went downhill in the opposite direction that I was traveling. It was only after bushwhacking for five minutes that I

realized I had missed the trail. Even though I had a sense of where I was on the slope by referencing my map, I could not find the trail. Given the rolling and forested nature of the mountain side. I knew that it would be difficult to know where even my relative position was if I kept moving, and it would be easy to follow the wrong drainage that would

take me deeper into the back country. So I think the idea there is if you just try to like follow a ditch or a stream or something downhill, it might be leading you down the wrong side of the mountain. I guess Laura goes on. Once I realized I was lost, I had a wave of panic hit me that had my legs twitching to run as fast as I could, so I tried to calm down and listen for other hikers that might be in the area. Within minutes, I realized that I could convince myself that I heard faint

voices in every direction. I think my brain was so desperate for a human voice that it was trying hard to interpret the sounds of the forest as voices. At that point, my reason kicked in and I did an inventory of my food and water. I had about two days worth, but could stretch it to a desperate week

if I didn't move. Knowing that I was probably within earshot of the trail, I knew my best bet was to stay as calm as I could where I was, so me being a religious person, I got down on my knees and prayed as hard as I could for peace.

When I opened my eyes, I told myself that I was going to only move a dozen feet downhill from where I was, so that I could try to find a flatter spot to set up camp, at which point I was going to blow on my whistle and hope that someone would hear me before my food ran out. If I hadn't been found by then, I would activate my personal locator beacon as a last resort. LO and behold, only about three steps downhill had me back on the trail. I was truly terrified for the rest of the day.

From that point on, whenever I camped or napped off the trail, I kept one of my trekking poles pointed back towards it. In total, I was only lost for about an hour, and it was by the grace of God and dumb luck that I managed to cross the trail again. I had considered myself an experienced hiker up until that point, but since then I am humbled by

my experience. Laura, excellent. I mean that lines up with a lot of what we were talking about, um and also getting into some of the sensory deprivation shoes that we we didn't really dwell on. Yeah, it ends up with a ton of the things like from some of those studies about how just people are have trouble anticipating how disorienting being lost in the woods can be. You you think, not actually being in the situation, it would

be easy. I just walked back the direction I came, you know, But but yeah, often doesn't work out that way. So glad you found your way back, Laura. Yeah. Oh, and uh, you know earlier we mentioned a straggler email. I do want to drive home never hesitated to send

us a straggler email. If you listen to an old episode or you know, even if it's not one that's been featured in the Vault, and you have something interesting to share, do reach out to us because, especially now that we're taking uh stuff to blew your mind listener mail more of a more of a weekly route, we'd love to hear from everybody. We have more space now than ever before to share interesting listener mails with everybody totally. And actually I think we were straggling on this one,

not not Laura. So I think this one came in during October or something and we missed it until I went back and found that got you. Yeah, we we've managed to trace our way back to the path. All right, Well, so many of you know, we're also putting out these weird House Cinema episodes on Friday's. Uh it's you know, normally the show is science and culture, but they're on

on Friday evenings. I like to think of it as a midnight Friday show and we talk about weird movies and maybe we talk a little bit about science and culture, but mostly it's about the film. So we've heard from people about these episodes, and most of it's been very positive. Here's one that comes to us from Jesse. Okay, guys, you will have to first put up with some gushing. I cannot tell you how much I love you guys

and your show. I recommend you at every opportunity. I work a lot in life, and for years now, you guys have turned what would otherwise be excruciating commutes to absolute pleasures. I have wanted to email you just just this for a long time, but I figure you get mail like this all the time, So finally I have a real good reason to write in. I was about to start the dishes when I saw you were covering the Battle for Indoor and I almost dropped my phone.

Such a random, crazy thing for you to cover, and it happens to be a super important movie to me. Like Robert was saying, I was one of those kids who had it on a recorded VHS, one possible difference being that it was one of only maybe five or six VHS tapes that I had, one of them being Caravan of Courage. I was born in eighty two, so the Ewoks movies fell perfectly into my wheelhouse. While I was all but ignorant of the Star Wars movies themselves.

I must have watched Battle for Indoor a hundred times, but I didn't notice the reason why I am writing you until recently. Passing the Ewoks movies onto my four year old just this year was such a pleasure. I digress. None of this is why I am writing. I have a really cool little tidbit. See. I am not a Star Wars fan by any real measure, even loving the Walks and of course having seen all of the Star Wars movies. I also live and grew up in Marin in Lucas Valley, so I do not partake in the

meticulous Star Wars fandom. But I do have something that I don't think many people have realized. Battle for Indoor is special in that it is the only Star Wars movie that I am aware of that contains a swear word. I lift it up before writing you, and fandom says fandom. I think they're referring to like the the Wikipedia realm quote. A rumor circulated that Noah swears under his breath while

trying to power up his star Cruiser during the movie's climax. However, it was debunked in the eighty nine issue of the Star Wars Insider magazine, which cites the subtitles of two thousand four Walks the Battle for Indoor DVD release as proving that the that the line is in fact, Ah, come on now, Just to be clear, the character know what we're talking about, For a reminder, is played by Wilford Brimley in the movie. Did we not mention that already? Uh?

We did not mention that in this listener, So imagine, yes, it's it's Wilfred Brimley. Uh. And Wilfred Brimley is in the scene like struggling with the controls of his spaceship that's up on cinder blocks in his yard. He's trying to get it going again. Yeah. I have to admit

when I watched it. There were a couple of times when I kind of had this this feeling like I feel like things are being said that are very close to curse words, either things that are grumbled by Wilford Brimley's character or things that you know, are yabbered by e Walks. Then and then they're clearly you know, not supposed to be um, you know, English or basic, but but certainly sound a little cussy. You know, Wicket is

swearing up a storm, but you wouldn't know it. But what Jesse is saying here is that it apparently the Star Wars Insider magazine says no, Wilfred Brimley does not swear in this movie. And it's based on the subtitles from one DVD release of this which I did not know there had been. They're not really readily available right now, but there there was like a DVD double pack of these. Okay, I see and what again? What they said Wilford Brimley's

actual line was was all come on, um. They continue. However, in the version I have you, and very clearly and naturally hear him saying the F word in reaction to the sparks. It's so funny because he's Wilfred Brimley. I invite you to check the version you have at this scene and decide for yourself. Though I could easily see

the DVD and subsequent releases being quote unquote fixed. I am not sure this is a this is listener mail worthy, but I thought it was at the very least an excuse to give you my thanks and tell you how much YouTube can really mean to someone who doesn't always have a good time. Please keep doing exactly what you were doing, exactly the way you were doing it, forever and ever. All my best and keep at it. Jesse ps. My favorite episodes are the Boltzman Brain episodes. Well, thanks

so much, Jesse. I really appreciate the kind words. And no, this is absolutely listener mail worthy because we always want to hear about Wilfred Brimley swearing in children's movies. It also does seem like the kind of thing that if they ever give this a proper, real, you know, remaster rerelease, they're gonna edit it out and that's just get out

of here with that. Yeah. Um, but I do hope they make it widely available again, because a lot of us are nostalgic for this film and it's it's predecessor, and I think I think it should be out there. I mean the same with other important Star Wars UM pieces of media, such as um the original Clone Wars animated version that came out prior to the computer animated version. Like that's that's great fun, and it should be available to people in formats that are not just random YouTube

uploads in my opinion. Uh. Somebody did right in and mentioned the Star Wars Holiday special though, and I do have to say I'm kind of I'm cool with that one remaining lost. Uh for the most part, it's I tried to rewatch it this year and my eyes were bigger than my stomach on that one. We'll save it. This is coming up in a in a couple of males from now. Okay, okay, we'll talk about it then. Next one here from Eric. Eric says, Hey, Robert and Joe,

longtime listener, first time writing in. I wanted to chime in on two recent topics. First, gravy. I was fascinated by the gravy death ritual in the recent Turkey episode. Robert mentioned not knowing of any religious ritual involving gravy, but I think at least for myself. The making of the gravy on Thanksgiving is a spiritual exercise in its own right. This year, due to COVID nineteen, my wife and I stayed home and didn't cook a whole turkey,

so I didn't get to perform my sacred duties. For some good gravy is all about the giblets, meaning the liver, heart, kidneys, and gizzard, which reinforces Joe's point about gravy being the essence of the animal it's made from. It's a celebration of this awesome bird. Just like a good rare steak can give you that primal zing up the back of your brain stem, the organs of an animal can carry the same effect, and that's why a true giblet gravy

is so good. Making gravy is a methodical, ritualistic process with several steps that you have to time properly. It can be stressful will there be enough juices? Do I have enough time? Will the rue come out right? But completing each step is a triumph leading to the transcendent experience of the final product that literally parentheses figuratively uh ties it all together. All the food on your plate and all the people at your table, it can be

mind blowing. This is this is a great point. Okay, yeah, I was just gonna say, I just a brief thought here is that. Yeah, when food is meaningful, Like, there are a few things like it. You know, like when food doesn't have meaning, when it's just fast and and you're you're not thinking about it and you're not like really experiencing it, you know, that's one thing. But when you when you do get to have this real attachment to the organisms that you're consuming and to the practices

and the history of what's going into it. Yeah, there there are a few things like it. Oh yeah, I mean food. Food is obviously so much more than just the experience of eating it, the taste and the nutrition for your body. It's it's very, ah, a deeply interwoven cultural, traditional thing. And this is why, like if you watch recipe videos on the internet, you'll often see in the comments people freaking out that somebody didn't do it right.

You know, like if if you want any Italian recipe or something, people will be saying like, that's not how you make that, saw us or something, And and you get sense that it's because people's memories of the traditions of their their their dishes are often tied up in people's like family and cultural identity, to the point where when somebody does it a different way, it almost feels like a violation of some sacred ritual. You're not doing it right, and this is a blasphemy. Okay, Eric goes

on before I lose it talking about gravy. Here's the other thing. I loved Robert's postulating about the Force and the lore of Ewok's Battle of Indoor. As a kid, one of the things I loved about Star Wars was that it was fantastic but believable. It felt real, tangible, and immersive. Even the Force, essentially space magic, felt plausible. So when I think of the Ewoks movie, the thing I remember most was what my seven year old self

was thinking while seeing it. I laugh at how even then I was really hung up on things feeling real and believable. I remember taking issue with the horses of all things, even with no established canon for what the Force can do. I remember thinking that it was too fantastic and magical, that it felt like an Earth movie, shape shifting, magic, rings, turbo running, not in Star Wars.

And it may be a testament to the purity and greatness of the original trilogy that even then, the style and feel of Star Wars had permeated me so thoroughly that my standards as a seven year old were really high. Or maybe it's just a funny note on memory. We remember the thing itself less than what we remember thinking about the thing. Thanks for all your good work, Eric, Oh, that's that's all very resting. Yeah, I can definitely relate to feeling that way about the magic versus the Force

as presented in the Battle for Indoor. Uh. Though I feel like some viewers had a similar issue in the sequel trilogy, especially um The Last Jedi and The Rise of Skywalker, because the Force suddenly they're they're sort of new force abilities that become evident, like like physical matter transferring from one point to another in space and time, stuff like that, which maybe leans even more heavily into the magical interpretation of the Force. Yeah. Wait, when we

talked about e wats did we talk about horses? I don't know if I remember that coming up, but yeah, why are their horses? I don't think there were any horses in the original trilogy, were there? There were not that I remember. No, I don't think there were horses in the original trilogy. Some horses show up in the sequel trilogy, but they've been kind of like augmented with computer effects to make them like alien horses, which is pretty cool. But I don't know. I didn't really have

any problem with horses in the Indoor movie. I figure at some point somebody introduced the indoor pony, and it makes as much sense as humans being all over this distant galaxy, so I will allow it. Okay, do you want to go onto this message from Raj? Yeah, let's do it, all right. Raj writes, Hello, stuff to blow your mind. In the Star Wars edition of Weird House Cinema, you were talking about the notion of Star Wars canon.

You mentioned that the three films of the then original trilogy plus the two Indoor movies constituted as part of the Star Wars canon, meaning that the two Indoor movies make up the Star Wars films. I am curious about how the Star Wars Holiday special fits into this. You hadn't mentioned this film in the podcast. I'm not sure it was intentional, since many regard that film to be not good, or if it's something you just happened to forget. I'm not trying to start a fight or anything like that.

I'm just wondering if you consider the Holiday Special canon or not love the podcast cheers Raj. I mean, so if the if the main films are a cannon for me, um, Holiday Special is like a prime canon. It's it's like the cannon above all other cannons. If something doesn't agree with the Holiday Special, then it's not cannon. Which which cannon grade is mostly circus animals, because that's that's kind of the grade. I think the Holidays the Star Wars

Special probably fits in a um. Yeah. As I mentioned earlier, I tried to rewatch this with the riff tracks um this year and I ended up turning away for a couple of reasons. One I I love riff tracks. I love those guys. I think they do great work. But the riff on this one was like an earlier riff and just felt a little mean spirited a lot of the time. UM So I didn't love that. It just it felt like it wasn't having as much fun as

it was. Just kind of grumpy with the picture, uh, which you know isn't the case in a lot of their other work. Again, I love riff tracks, but the Holiday Special makes people unhappy. I mean I've watched it many times and showed it too many people, and it it has a tendency to kind of send people into a into a dark spiral. Yeah, yeah, I think that is That is a valid point because the the other part of not digging the experience is that it is

dreadfully boring and irritating. Uh with with the only with only a few really bright spots. For instance, the original the introduction of Bob a fette in that wonderful like sort of I think it was a Canadian production, but it has this kind of French animation feel to it, like that is a great little segment. Um. I love that. The cartoon. Yeah, the cartoon. I also enjoy some of

the Wookie stuff, you know, getting to see their little world. Yeah, because you know, it's it certainly creates a world and and it is like a setting like in this small respect, it is cannon because the version of Kashik that they create in this Holiday Special is essentially the same version that pops up again in um um Um in Revenge of the Sith that pops up in various video games such as um Um, you know, like the Battlefield what is it, uh not Battlefield, maybe it is Battlefield whatever

the shooter is that they play, also the recent Jedi Outcast game. Basically they're all using the same version of kik that the Holiday Special gives us. Yes, I mean so, I've probably seen the Star Wars Holiday Special at least, you know, ten or a dozen times, but I will admit it is brutally boring and grading, and it has these repeated comedy skits with Harvey Corman that are interminable. There's one where he's, uh, where the gag is that he is, I guess some kind of robot and he's

like repeatedly breaking down and going into slow motion. And that skit lasts about ten billion years. It is, it is older than the Earth. The weird thing is that you can look back at it and see how it made sense, like you. I think that one of the key things you have to keep in mind is that this was the heyday of the original Muppet Show, and on paper, it sounds great like the Muppet Show is doing this great variety show with puppets and fantastic characters

and and celebrity cameos. We could do that with the Star Wars universe and it would We could do it in a way that wouldn't hurt anybody. It's be Arthur and Art Carney. Yeah, but yeah, the result just doesn't really work. There's just so many, so many things wrong with it. They really should have brought in Tim Conway and Paul Lynde. I would start, oh wait, wait, wait, okay, here's my idea that they could take it to the

next level. They should have just done Hollywood squares in universe Star Wars and it's cannon So like the squares are Chewbacca and Chewbacca's family, the really nasty old Wookie, Han Solo looking sad, Princess Leia on a mystical journey like all of them doing the tic tac toe. Yeah, I don't forget the look Skywalker wearing an absurd amount of makeup where he looks like he's basically in kabuky makeup in that one. It's huge amounts of makeup. It

is astonishing. However, I will say I might feel differently about it if I had actually watched this back in the day. But the Star Wars Holiday Special is something I wasn't even aware of until I was an adult. So wait, wait, wait, wait, sorry, I have one more, one more Star Wars Holiday special thing to bring up, which is that there's a great scene where where Han Solo saves Chewy's family by faking out an Imperial stormtrooper who's approaching their house on the you know, like wooden catwalk,

I guess, up to the front door. He fakes them out, the stormtrooper falls over the edge, presumably falls to his death on the ground below the house, and then it's like, hey, pblem solved. But if you think about the logic of it, Okay, so now the Imperial troops are marching around and there is a dead one of them on the ground below your front door, and then they just don't seem to regard this as a problem. Well, you have to remember the the the amount of training that your average stormtrooper

is probably receiving. Uh, it's not great. They're not really going to be good detectives in that respect, right, And plus they're occupying a planet occupied by um you know, with the with the dominant species are these enormous fierce um wookies, So you know, it makes sense that you're probably losing a like there's an acceptable loss for Stormtroopers per day, and they're just like, well, you know that that guy clearly is an acceptable loss. All right, we

got one more message. This comes in from Ali. Ali says, Hi, Robert, and Joe. I have listened to Stuff to Blow your Mind for many years and have really enjoyed the podcast. I just finished listening to the Weird House Cinema episode on Ghost in the Machine, and I loved it. I watched the movie over the weekend before listening, and I enjoyed that movie immensely. It was so awesomely bad, with so much nostalgic nineties style. I don't know if I ever would have known that that movie existed if you

guys hadn't decided to watch it. Well, I'm glad we could bring that weirdness into your life. Over the years, Stuff to Blow Your Mind has taught me so much and got me thinking about so many different things. There was an episode where, if I remember this correctly, you tried to get listeners to remember to fact check things, especially if the things feel almost right. You guys repeated the phrase if it feels familiar, check the facts over and over and whenever my BS meter goes off for

some fact doesn't feel quite right. I hear you tube repeating that phrase, and it reminds me to look into stuff. Anyway. I just wanted to say hi and thank you. Happy holidays, Ali. I think that was from the Illusory Truth Effect episode where we talked about the dangers of thinking something is right because it's sounds Yeah, that sounds right. That that that that's often the danger zone. Yeah, yeah, for sure. All right. You know, we've I think we've reached the

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