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From the Vault: The Invention of Surgical Gloves

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In this classic invention-themed episode of Stuff to Blow Your Mind, Robert and Joe explore the origin of surgical gloves, the differing concepts for their composition and the struggle to get surgeons to wear them. (originally published 08/30/2022)

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Speaker 1

Hey you welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind.

Speaker 2

My name is Robert Lamb and I am Joe McCormick, and it's Saturday. Time for an episode from the Vault. This one originally aired August thirtieth, twenty twenty two, and it is about the invention of surgical gloves.

Speaker 1

Yeah, yeah, this is a This is a pretty fun one. Every now and then we'll know, we'll get to that point where it's like, oh, we got we need to do a bunch of invention episodes, like the Invention frenzy overcomes us. So, yeah, this is a this is a fun exploration.

Speaker 3

Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind production of iHeartRadio.

Speaker 4

Hey, welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind. My name is Robert.

Speaker 2

Lamb and I'm Joe McCormick.

Speaker 4

And this weekend Stuff to Blow your Mind. We have another invention themed episode for everyone, and I think it should prove an interesting episode because it's one of those stories that more than it just covers like the need for an invention and the development of that invention, it also gets into the acceptance of that invention or the lack there off concerning a new technology. You know, it's one thing to have an idea for a new product or a new invention, a new way of doing things.

But then if it's going to make a difference, it also has to be accepted by the vast majority of the people within a given field, a given culture, etc.

Speaker 2

Yes, and also the way that a certain invention has to prove its advantages over other solutions to the same problems, which is a major issue with the early adoption of the technology we're going to be talking about today. Something that is now a universal standard that people would be horrified to hear anybody was not using, was in fact originally one solution among many.

Speaker 4

Right, we're going to be talking about surgical gloves. You say are just ubiquitous now it's just no matter what the surgical procedure happens to be, but not only surgical procedures, but also just any kind of medical checkup, anything in the medical establishment in general. If you go to the dentist, if they're going to have medical gloves on, and it's one of those things where not only do you come to expect it, like you could not ask for it

to be another way. You can't go to the dentist and be like, hey, doc, I'm thinking maybe you go gloves off this time. I mean no, it's just the gloves are part of the procedure, and most of us would be somewhat concerned if we go in there and the gloves are off.

Speaker 2

Or if the gloves were, say made of cotton, then really juicy.

Speaker 4

Right, Or yeah, you go in and it's like your dentist is wearing big ski gloves or mittens. So you've realized something is off. This is not the way things should be, but.

Speaker 2

It was not always so. So if you went to to say, a German speaking hospital in the eighteen nineties, you may be lucky enough to get operated on by a surgeon who has accepted the new science of bacteriology, who does understand that wounds need to be clean, they need to be asceptic, and does understand that gloves can help with that process, but has not found a way to commit yet to impermeable gloves. So may well have some cotton gloves on while they've got their fingers around in you.

Speaker 4

Now a quick side note on just gloves in general. Gloves have been with us for a very long time. It's just a basic way to protect the hand from where from coal, from heat, from other threats, just a basic technological advancement in which we realized, hey, we can take other materials and make a second skin for our hands are very important but also susceptible to damage. Hands and some of the oldest gloves that we have that have survived include a pair of delicate linen child's gloves

from the tomb of Tutin Common. So those are about three thy two hundred years old, and these were likely riding gloves. But of course, one of the things about gloves, when one of the things about making yourself a second organic skin, is that those tend not to survive, you know, unless they are stuck away in a tomb or in some other fashion well preserved for a very long period of time. But the reality is when it comes to surgery, for most of human history, surgical procedures of varying degrees

of complexity were carried out bare handed. Now, when we say bare handed surgery, we do have to note that we're not talking about pseudoscientific medical fraud psychic surgery, which is also you know, quote unquote performed bare handed. No, we're talking about actual surgical procedures of different scales performed well without any sort of protective barrier between the surgeon's

skin and the patient's flow. So surgery of different sorts was practiced in ancient Mesopotamia, Ancient Egypt, ancient China, agient India, and other parts of the ancient world. Ancient surgeries ran the gamut from setting of bones to amputations, trepanations, blood lettings,

and everything in between. But as we've discussed on the show before, one of the big obvious realities here, obvious to us now anyway by virtue of germ theory, is that human hands carry disease, and even regularly cleaned hands can be a problem. I was looking at some of the stats on this in review of human hand microbiome research by EDMUNDS. Wilson at All in a twenty fifteen

edition of a Journal of Dermatological Science. The authors here point out that hands are of course a critical component of the human microbiome and are quote a conduit for exchanging micro organisms between the environment and the body. So not all of these are dangerous naturally, but hands can

harbor pathogenic species like staff Any Coli. And this is even more the case in high risk environments, such as among those who handle food or provide healthcare, and the authers here point to various studies that have also looked into how it enhanced use of hand hygiene products may negatively impact the hand microbiome as well, result resulting in

greater pathogen carriage for example. But other studies have demonstrated quote reduced pathogen carriage and or infections with use of these products.

Speaker 2

Oh yeah, that's got to be interesting. Double edged sword. So, like now that we have, you know, germ theory, we know it's important to wash your hands if you're going to be eating or preparing food, or certainly if you're going to be doing any kinemtical procedure. But also that repeatedly washing or you're sterilizing your hands has effects beyond just keeping pathogens away. It also affects the presence of non harmful microbiota on the surface of your hands.

Speaker 4

Yeah, it's like I get again. You have to think of your hands as part of your body. They're not just tools, they're not instruments. They're used by you and your body. They are part of you. They are also like yourself multitude. They have populations, and if you regularly carpet bomb the population, that's going to disrupt. That's not going to just keep things from living there. It's going

to potentially disrupt the ratio of what lives there. And so the idea of cleaning the hand completely, that is we'll discuss that becomes kind of problematic at times, like again, it's not an instrument. It is pointed out by one of the authors we're going to look to. You cannot just boil the hand to sterilize it and then use the hand in a completely hygienic way.

Speaker 2

Right though, I want to be very clear, well, we are acknowledging these consequences. This is not a case against hand washing.

Speaker 4

No, no, No. Hand washing, as we'll discuss, is also very important here. I also have to throw in, while after I was researching a lot of this and had it on my mind, still sort of turning over in my head, I ran into my boss out in the world and my boss stuck his hand out, but luckily he went for the fist bump instead of a handshake, and it was great. That was that was ideal because I didn't want to have to be like, sorry, can't

shake your hand right now. Just read a whole bunch of stuff about about hand germs.

Speaker 2

I thought you were going to he stuck his hand out so you could kiss it.

Speaker 4

No, no, no, no, no, we have we have at Our boss is a little better than that.

Speaker 2

Our boss is the Pope. We work at the Vatican.

Speaker 4

But another big thing about all this is that it comes down to the to one of the obvious facts we've discussed before that without germ theory, without any insight into the invisible world of organisms that are literally at our fingertips for the vast majority of human history, we just we just didn't know. We just didn't know that.

Like we again, we had gloves. It's not like, uh, like we didn't have this idea that well, there are some cases where we need to cover our hands to protect our hand from some sort of external force, or perhaps in some cases protect the external world from our hands. But if you cannot see the threat, if you have no real concept of the germs that are out there, of the invisible world, then what can you do?

Speaker 2

Well, yes, and also to acknowledge that the glove itself would need to be sterilized in order to provide an advantage there, Just putting on a dirty glove doesn't do much better than using a dirty hand exactly.

Speaker 4

To give some more stats on some of this. According to Smith at All in twenty seventeen's Infection Control through the Ages, even today, quote, approximately one point seven million healthcare associated infections or HAI's occur in the United States each year. So even with modern precautions and technologies in place,

that's one of the things about healthcare. I mean, it does put you in close proximity with a doctor, it puts you often puts you in a space where you have other individuals with various health care concerns going on. It's just the reality of it. But if you go back in time before germ theory, before these various technologies,

things obviously get a bit darker. Smith that All point out that in medieval times there was a high level of illness and death in hospitals, and quote, when a sick person entered a hospital, his or her property was disposed of, and in some regions a requiem mass was held as if he or she had already died.

Speaker 2

That's a bad health care plan, Yeah, it does.

Speaker 4

It's not a singing endorsement of the hospital you're about to enter. Because of course that the tools were often primitive, they weren't cleaned and weren't cleaned between uses. Cauterization via hot iron or boiling oil was commonly used. You're looking at between sixty and eighty percent mortality rates. This is pretty common during the time period, and even into the

early modern period. Many things had improved, but you still had surgeons placing ungloved hands directly into wounds and directly into incisions and so forth, and this was certainly the norm.

Again for much of human medical history. We didn't have the materials and or we didn't know about the invisible world of microbes, and other reasons were focused on for subsequent infections such as bad air or miasma seeping into the wound and read that, you know, until shockingly recently, it was things like pus and secondary infections were often just thought of as well, this is just part of

the body healing itself. This is just what happens. This is the norm, and there's nothing we can do about it.

Speaker 2

I was just randomly reminded of something I read recently, which is so, you know, the famous story about US President James A. Garfield, who was it is sometimes said, assassinated, But it has been observed by many historians that he was shot, but he survived his bullet wound for a while and was like for months actually, and was repeatedly operated on in an unsanitary way by a doctor. And it is commonly believed that the doctor's unsanitary intervention is

in fact what killed Garfield. But the thing that I found out is that that doctor's name, his given name was doctor. His name was doctor Willard Bliss. So he was doctor doctor Willard Bliss, all right.

Speaker 4

But speaking of this time period, yeah, eventually we'd get to what Smith at All referred to as the progressive era of the eighteen nineties through the nineteen twenties, and we do see a shift here. Quote. This period saw

great advances in hospital infection control. Ignot Simmelweiss was the first hospital epidemiologist, setting a precedent for step by step analysis of an outbreak and for tracing epidemics to a particular surgeon or practice e g. Going from the autopsy room to the operating room without washing your hands uugh Eleven of twelve consecutive women die of pweparral or child bed fever, and subsequently required that all providers who attended the patients first wash their hands in a watery solution

of chlorinated lime. The mortality rate then dropped dramatically from eighteen percent to two percent. So simlweis here was a Hungarian physician who lived from eighteen eighteen through eighteen sixty five. So he's a little bit before of this, before this progressive era that Smith at all are talking about. But this is a time when we see rapid changes in medical knowledge, we see the advent of technologies like the

X ray. This is a time period that was covered, I think, just excellently in Steven Soderberg's television drama The Nick, which I know I've mentioned on the show before. It's just a great drama, a lot of attention to detail, but also they have this very clean, white, almost blinding visual style to the show, have electronic music by Cliff Martinez throughout the series, and so I think it does a great job of portraying the past as the energetic,

promising present. You know something that we sometimes I think lose track of in representing the past on film or even reading about the past, about thinking about this time period in past as being completely divorced from what we will know, and it's more about just like the excitement and also the danger of being there at the bleeding edge of technology and innovation. Yeah.

Speaker 2

I think one of the things that's often hard to capture accurately when you're portraying the past is understanding the past as without knowledge of the future, understanding the past as incorporating the full uncertainty of being a present of its own. Like you say, so, not only the excitement of things being new at the time, but also the lack of knowledge how things would turn out. Everything always seems more obvious in retrospect.

Speaker 4

Right, right, And certainly The Nick is a show that doesn't doesn't shy away from the wrong paths. I think I've mentioned before when we're talking about the invention of the X ray you have, there's one episode in particular where they're so excited to have the X ray. Uh, they're at the hospital and they're just just using it just so irresponsibly, without really understanding or having any idea of just how dangerous repeated exposure to the machine would be.

Speaker 2

Well, they're using it unnecessarily, right, They're just like using it for fun.

Speaker 4

Yeah, it's like you get the kids in here, Oh, watch watch watch Dad x ray's hand multiple times for no reason, that sort of thing.

Speaker 1

Uh.

Speaker 4

But and they you know, they explore other things as well on the show. You know, various social issues come up, eugenics comes up, you know, all sorts of things of this nature. But anyway, Simple Device's findings were apparently better received in some countries than compared to others, the UK and Germany being too though. That's interesting because we'll come back to Germany as sort of a center of discussion over the best practices and best use of new medical

findings and technology. But on the whole, there was a lot of criticism of his ideas, and a lot of his efforts ended up in antagonism. His critics attacked him, he attacked back. It apparently got pretty ugly, at least from an academic standpoint, and his mental health declined greatly and he eventually died in an asylum. So it's often characterized as being, you know, this effort where he's kind

of up against the wall. Maybe didn't have what, maybe wasn't the ideal person to be making these arguments, Like maybe it could have been a better pr campaign for some of these ideas, but what can you do?

Speaker 2

Well, Yeah, I think a lot of the hygienic concerns about medical interventions and especially surgery would get more traction in the eighteen sixties with Joseph Lister.

Speaker 4

Yeah, Joseph Lister definitely a big one. I mean, there are various individuals that are working during this time cracking our understanding of the unseen and what we should do about it. And of course you have to acknowledge the work of Louis Pastur. Now there's but Yeah, Joseph Lister was a big name. Eighteen twenty seven through nineteen twelve, he introduced the concept of surgical asepsis, the absence of

all microorganisms within any type of invasive procedure. His work alone was associated, according to Smith at All, with a decrease in post amputation mortality rates from forty five percent to fifteen percent. And he also cut down on the

necessity for amputation. That was one of the big things he was going after two Like, he was saying, it would just won't be necessary to amputate this many limbs because because we'll be using cleaner tools, etc. He argued for the necessity of pre operative hand washing and the use of disinfectant soaked wound dressings.

Speaker 2

Yeah, I think lister especially is known to highlight a distinction we'll get to in a little bit, the distinction between asepsis and anti sepsis, with pioneering the anti sepsis trend, which is the attempt to sterilize the wound itself to prevent infection. So this would typically mean using a disinfectant chemical such as carbolic acid in and around a wound.

Speaker 4

Yeah, and also dressings surgical tools. He stress that you should change dressings on wounds regularly.

Speaker 2

Yeah.

Speaker 4

And again, before lister here and infection were just considered part of the healing process. It wasn't. It wasn't necessarily thought that this means things are not going to according to plan. It just means like this is what happens when the body heals from a wound, all right. So getting into more into the realm of early surgical gloves, early medical glove concepts, and the struggle for their acceptance.

William Halstead introduced rubber gloves for use in surgery by around eighteen ninety, and by nineteen hundred we see more and more doctors wearing gowns, masks, and gloves. But the use of gloves especially is certainly not instantly accepted by the medical community to come back to the nick for example, which which again I think does a pretty great job

of depicting this time period. If you go back and watch any of this show, and I did certainly didn't have a chance to go back and watch all of it, but you pretty much don't see surgical gloves at all. There are just lots of scenes of surgeons who again are at the bleeding edge of technology and innovation at the time, but they are reaching into people's bodies with

bare hands. They are opening up people's craniums with bare hands, and just every other part of the anatomy as well lots of shots of white linens and blood soaked hands now on the show. There are also frequent scenes of surgeons, though, going through a series of hand washings before surgery, sometimes

while engaging in dialogue with each other. But I remember being particularly taken by at least one scene in which there's kind of a beautiful feeling of almost spiritual ritual to the thing of the surgeon washing and lowering their hands and forearms first into one vat, then into a second vat, and then into a third vat. Like again, it has kind of an almost magical feeling to it.

And so I was reading a little bit about about this time period here for this episode, and based on my readings of why were surgical gloves not used earlier by Thomas Schlitch, I believe this is the three VAT system standardized in Berlin in eighteen eighty eight by Paul Fubringer. First soap, then alcohol, and then finally an antiseptic substance.

Speaker 2

Yeah, that three stage process was very common by the eighteen nineties.

Speaker 4

And again it's great, it's a wonderful advanced in surgery of the time, but of course it falls just a little short of actually using gloves, of actually embracing the standard that now again we just accept when we go into a medical facility. So the three VAT systems coming out of Germany. Germany is also where we see a great deal of argument during this period about whether surgeons

should have to wear surgical gloves at all. And I think the first place that I was reading about this, there was a j Store Daily article that came out from this is by jess Romeo in July of twenty twenty, when obviously a lot of this sort of thing was

going going on in our heads. And there's all the obvious parallels between the treatment here of gloves and consideration of things like certainly hand washing, but also the use of mass The article was the surgeons who said no to gloves, And the article from Romeo is citing another article, a source article by Thomas Schlitch who he just referenced, titled Negotiating Technologies in Surgery the controversy about surgical gloves in the eighteen nineties, and this was a twenty thirteen

article from the Bulletin of the History of Medicine.

Speaker 2

Yeah, this Bulletin of History of Medicine article is interesting. So the author here, Thomas Schlick, is a German Canadian historian of medicine who's on faculty at McGill University in Montreal. And Schlick begins his article by illustrating a really strange moment from the history of surgery where there was so

there was this big conference in eighteen ninety eight. It was the twenty seventh Congress of the German Society for Surgery, and Schlick quotes a report on this meeting by an Austrian surgeon named Alexander Frankel, who was just perplexed by some of what was going on, because a big subject of conversation for one whole afternoon at this conference for surgeons was about gloves. It was about surgical gloves, whether or not you should use them, and what types of

gloves are best. And Frankel, reacting to this whole discussion, says quote, for a whole afternoon, participants discussed about the best glove models, marching up all the various specimens made from different materials in all sizes and price ranges. Allas Sarah Bernhardt referring to like a French actress and whatever the fashionable designs might be called, a whole apparatus of pseudoscience was mobilized to inaugurate the new fashion of the

surgeon in gloves. So Frankel here is a respected, influential surgeon of the time, how can it be that he viewed the idea of surgical gloves as absolutely ridiculous pseudoscientific pageantry. Akin to I think the comparison to Sarah Bernhardt here is he's saying it's like a gaudy fashion show.

Speaker 4

Yeah. Yeah, he compares it to just pure costuming. It's like, this is just a costume that these doctors are putting on that there's no real medical rationale for this.

Speaker 2

Now today, it's natural for us to look back on this view as not only misguided but absolutely baffling. But it's true that even after the idea of using some kind of impermeable sterile glove for surgery was introduced, it took more than a decade of sort of debate within the medical community before it achieved what could be considered near universal acceptance. And this article by Schlick explores the historical discussion and controversy about the introduction of surgical gloves,

specifically in German speaking hospitals in the eighteen nineties. So the question is why did most surgeons hesitate for so long before adopting the use of surgical gloves, even after we had a bacterial theory of disease and infection. And actually, once you see all their concerns lay doubt, the objections to people who resisted the gloves at the time seem

a little bit less baffling. It actually makes more sense of them when you understand what the understanding was at the time and what the pressures on surgeons for performing in the operating room were.

Speaker 4

Yeah, I think this is one of the great things he does in the paper is really presents this this idea because it's easy to think about this and sort of look at the surface level of this new technology and its eventual adoption and just look at it as Okay, well here's the new way, and everybody else must have been saying, oh, I just want to do it the old way, where it was really more a situation where there was the old ways and then there were all

these new exciting ways that were all ultimately trying to crack the same nut to try to improve the mortality rates for various procedures. And also he seems to stress that you know, weuld we can't really go into these situations sort of with a wrong side of history viewpoint

of the past. You know, generally in the present, if you're presented with different ideas, the ones that are the wrong side of history are not labeled, so you know, you don't know that this is not going to be you know that you're on the ultimately on the losing hill here when you're advocating that medical gloves should not be used universally, well.

Speaker 2

Yeah, this is what I was talking about earlier with like the uncertainty of the present, and you always have to remember that in the past they were just as uncertain about what the future would be as we are about our own future in the present right.

Speaker 4

And one thing he stresses here is that these surgeons, often big name surgeons that were engaging in this debate, a lot of them had their own ideas, their own techniques, and in many cases they had they had data to back up what they were arguing. Like there's there's one guy that he mentioned, surgeon Thomas Spencer Wells, who advocated the cleanliness cold water school as opposed to and embracing

Lister's ideas. So this is more in general about like hand washing and cleansing of instruments, boiling of instruments, et cetera, as opposed to gloves. But this was a guy that still had a minimal complication rate, and therefore he had some data to back up his viewpoint. So he had he wasn't just standing on a hill without any reason

to make his argument. He had seen what seemed at the time like a reasonable argument, like saying, look, look what I'm doing seems to be working, and I have the data to back it up.

Speaker 2

Yes, And wells would not be the only one. There are even people making the case at this eighteen ninety eight Congress of German Society for Surgery who were saying, look, I've done laboratory research that shows that you get way more bacterial penetration of these blood soaked cotton gloves than you do of bare hands. So actually you don't need gloves, you just need clean hands.

Speaker 4

Yeah. Another name you mentioned is Johannes Mikkelish who who argue that we should be using this preoperative injection of nucleic acid to supposedly increase white blood cell count and boost immune response. So so again it comes back to the idea that it's not just the old ideas and the new this one new idea. No, there are these other seemingly promising new ideas and new technologies that are also suddenly available.

Speaker 2

Oh that's interesting, And you get these from both sides about the different solutions, because Mikolch here was one of the major proponents of gloves at this at this conference, he was there representing the yes gloves or good side.

Speaker 4

Interesting. Yeah, but then he also has his other thing as well, that you could conceivably you're a surgeon you're listening to all these ideas, you can imagine where you might be like, well, this Johannes seems to have a great technology here. Maybe I can cherry pick a little bit. Maybe I can sort of hold onto my own reservations about gloves and just start using this nucleic acid treatment

that has been proposed. So, yeah, there are a lot of ideas on the table, and again it seems like each surgeon had their own ideas and techniques.

Speaker 2

Yeah, that's another point Schlick actually really highlights in this paper, which is that, you know, sometimes we have a tendency to erroneously look at the history of progress in medicine as a kind of unified, top down effort where there's just like, okay here, you know, almost like there is a sort of a board of medicine that like controls all of medicine throughout history and they direct the flow

of development and progress. But in fact, the way Schlick frames it is, you know, medicine is just full of individual, little practical solutions to problems, especially in the eighteen nineties here, and over time some prove better than others.

Speaker 4

Now, another thing we have to mention here is, of course what we're talking about when it comes to materials and what we were talking we were talking about with the physical gloves of the time, this would not have been a situation where like, we're dealing with modern medical gloves that are suddenly presented to an audience at this this gathering. It made me think of a recent episode of the nineties Outer Limits that I watched. If the

episode is titled Gettysburg. It stars Meatloaf and it also has the guy who played the crazy man on the boat in Jason Takes Manhattan, and it does involve time travel with Civil War reenactors who are sent back in time to the Battle of Gettysburg, and one of them is like a medical responder and has a medkit, and so there's a great scene where he's he's he's doing some some medical intervention on a wounded soldier, and Meatloaf's character, who's a Civil War era I like to forget what

he is if he's a oh, he's a colonel. He's watching and he doesn't seem to think anything about these modern medical devices and gloves that are being used by this guy. So that's kind of a tangent, But it was weighing heavily on my mind as I researched this.

Speaker 2

Well, to be fair to meet loaf, I mean, if I look at a modern surgery, I'd see a lot of stuff. I don't know what I'm looking at, and it's there's no time travel involved.

Speaker 4

Yeah, so these would not have been modern medical gloves that they were considering here. The author mentions several of the different designs that were presented at this conference that included elbow length fabric gloves of cotton or silk, and of course if you were to use these during an operation, they would apparently quickly become soaked with blood. There was also the idea of using leather style military gloves, and

these would have, of course been clumsy to use. Wax treated fabric was another idea, and ooh, I was really this one really captured my attention, The idea of wax poured directly over the surgeon's hands to form a supposed seal between the flesh and the operation.

Speaker 2

Yeah, and the actual paper Schlick talks, he mentions this as a proposal, but I didn't get the impression anybody ever did it, or at least not. Yeah, didn't like put it into regular practice.

Speaker 4

Yeah, I have trouble imagining how it would work right, because if the wax was sealed around the hand, and if you go with the right wax, that of course wouldn't be just absolutely scalding to the flesh, then it would truly become brittle upon trying to move your hand around.

Speaker 2

Yeah, I don't know. It doesn't make a lot of sense to me, though. I'm also confused about the wax treated. I mean, I can get into more detail about this later, but one of the proposals is for like a silk glove that you would cover in liquid wax, and that would help make the silk fabric more impermeable. But I would also think, like, wouldn't that get kind of brittle? I don't know.

Speaker 4

Yeah, it was like it would be flaying off and you'd have like little bits of wax. I mean, Fortunately, as we've pointed out before in the show, like wax has long been used and so has honey in various medical treatments. So it's not the worst thing, I guess to have in a wound, but it's you want to cut down on the amount of external substances that are introduced to a body cavity during a procedure like this. I don't know about you, but another detail I really

liked in Schlich's article was this bit quote. Another strategy, and this is an alternative to gloves, involved keeping one's hands clean between operations and abstaining from handling infectious materials even when not on the job, an approach that in some cases amounted to a whole regime of living. Which this is easy to sort of think of almost comedically, where you can imagine the surgeon saying, well, I'm of course I'm not going to wear gloves during a procedure.

It gets in the way. I have some issues with how high it is. What I'm gonna do is I'm going to wear gloves the rest of the time when I'm not in the surgery, and therefore keep my hands nice and clean and ready to just get in there.

Speaker 2

There. You almost it's like you become sort of part of a priestly class. You must maintain purity for all time.

Speaker 4

Yeah, I mean, it's like these are the money makers, right, I have to keep the gloves on them at all times.

Speaker 2

That these hands are registered with the FBI as lethal weapons, because I don't wash them before I operate.

Speaker 4

Now, he points out that the material challenges here came down to the following and these I think were pointed out by Sergeant Anton Wolfer at the time. They needed to be impermeable, obviously, they needed to be flexible, They needed to be resistant to tears. They couldn't be too tight, they couldn't be too hot. And above all else they had to be you had to be able to sterilize them.

Speaker 2

They had to be sterilizable, right, meaning you could like boil them or steam them or something to kill any thing that might be on them without damaging them so that they couldn't be used.

Speaker 4

Right. And so given all of these demands of the materials, it shouldn't come as a surprise that the first surgical gloves that were presented here they were not perfect. They did tear, They did make aspects of surgery, particularly gripping certain tools or certain parts of the human anatomy more difficult. I think the manipulation of bowels is singled out as being difficult with some of the gloves of this time period.

But on the other hand, it does certainly in the long term they did make a difference in the spread of pathogens through surgical procedure.

Speaker 2

Oh yeah, so I think by around the time of World War One, it's generally agreed that's when you are seeing Okay, now we have pretty much universal acceptance that impermeable sterile gloves are good for surgery and they should be used if at all possible.

Speaker 4

I can't help but think of media and this as well, like cinematic depictions of doctors, like now, like the image of a doctor, be of them a good doctor or a mad scientist or something. The taking off or the putting on of surgical gloves or medical gloves at some point, some form or another, it is kind of associated with power and ability. You know, there's there's something about it

that like we don't even even doubt doubt. Not only do we not doubt the importance of gloves, but they have kind of become associated with these roles, Like it's hard to separate the two, and you wouldn't want to separate the two.

Speaker 2

There's a there's a strong audio visual cue used in media, which is much in the same way you have like an action movie where a gritty action scene is about to commence, so you get the pump of the shotgun. In the medical scene, you get the snap of the rubber glove. It's almost exactly the same.

Speaker 4

Thing, right, I mean it's enough to where if you were given the choice between two fraudulent pseudoscientific healers and they were going to work on you, and one is using bear hands and one is using gloves, like the mere presence of the gloves could potentially legitimize it a little bit in your eyes.

Speaker 2

You know, Wait, no, beb did you mean bear hands or B E A R hands?

Speaker 4

Oh well I meant I meant B A R E. But B E R That brings on an entirely different vision, right, I mean that's then you're in the realm of the shaman.

Speaker 2

I would go with I would go with the quack that had bear paws over the quack that just had gloves.

Speaker 4

Or what if the the what if the quack had both a bear head on over their own head, but they had medical gloves on.

Speaker 2

What if they operated on you wearing the bear costume from Jack Frost?

Speaker 4

There you go?

Speaker 2

All right? Well, I wanted to come back to that Thomas Schlick paper in the Bulletin of the History of Medicine, the one called negotiating Technologies and surgery. That was all about the controversy over surgical gloves in German speaking hospitals

in the eighteen nineties. And as I mentioned earlier, the Shlick paper is interesting because it frames the good things about gloves as a sort of you know, existing within a network of trade offs and talking about it as one of the types of what Slick calls control strategies within surgery at the time, and control strategies that were many, but they included things like different instruments, lights and operating tables, anatomy, atlases, anesthetics,

and of course technologies of a sepsis. Now I mentioned earlier the difference between a sepsis and anti sepsis, and this is an important concept in the development of surgery in the second half of the nineteenth century. So you've got two schools of thought that are in competition. One is anti sepsis, which is the idea of disinfecting a wound after germs have likely been introduced. And then you've got acepsis, which is instead trying to prevent any germs

from ever entering the wound in the first place. And the primary method here would be trying to make all instruments and objects in the surgical environments sterile before surgery begins, so you'd boil your scalpels and so forth. But Schlick describes a growing nervousness among surgeons in the eighteen nineties based on the general feeling that raining aseptic practices were not good enough. By the eighteen nineties, surgeons in German

speaking hospitals were aware of the bacteriological problems. They were trying to be a septic however they could. They were washing their hands and going through all these procedures we talked about, but they were just aware that the current methods were not preventing all infection. Acepsis had to be They what they thought of as an all or nothing campaign. And Schlick quotes an academic surgeon somebody who we've already referenced.

This was a guy at the University Breslau named Johannes van Mikolch, and Mikolch wrote quote, the smallest mistaken wound treatment would come back to haunt the surgeon. And Mikolch, together with a collaborator named Carl Fluga, who lived eighteen forty seven to nineteen twenty three, spent great effort in the eighteen nineties trying to close the gaps, basically to find ways that germs could still be getting in even

with the aseptic practices of the time. And so one of the ideas they came up with was using face masks to prevent droplet infection, so droplets from the doctor's mouth or nose entering the wound and introducing germs during surgery. And schlickwrites quote many of today's surgical paraphernalia were introduced at the time as part of the bacteriologically supported search for weak points in the aseptic all or nothing system

of preventing wound infection. It was the context of this crisis of aseptics surgery that prompted a number of surgeons in the eighteen nineties to simultaneously try out surgical gloves

within their local settings. Now, one of the next things that Schlick talks about in this paper I thought was very interesting is so if we're looking at German speaking hospitals in the eighteen eighties and eighteen nineties, they're aware of the fact that they need to improve aseptic practices in surgery, but they don't know all the ways to plug the holes and the use of surgical gloves is obvious to us in retrospect, but it was not obvious to everyone at this time and place, So why would

it not have been obvious to them. One thing Slick points out is that, first of all, it just requires thinking about gloves in a different way. Prior to this, gloves were typically used to protect the person wearing them rather than to protect someone from the person wearing them. So it's kind of like having to just think outside the box to reframe something that is already part of

your mundane existence. So imagine thinking that you would need to wear a hat to protect someone else from your head. It seems weird, but actually, if you think about it in the right context, this is something that people do. I've worked in restaurants where chefs were required to wear either hats or hairnets to keep their hair out of the food. If you're not familiar with the context like that, it might never occur to you that you would wear

a hat for somebody else's benefit. But another thing that Slick points out around here is that carbolic acid and other antiseptic chemicals that were used to get the hands clean before surgery these were hard on the skin, schlickwrites, quote copiously applied, the caustic solutions often caused severe skin damage in surgeons and nurses, forcing some of them to

abandon operating altogether. The issue was the background of the well known story of how in eighteen eighty nine William Halstead at Johns Hopkins introduced rubber gloves to protect the hands of his chief operating nurse, who later became his wife. Now, Rob you already mentioned Halsteed introducing rubber gloves in his practice around this time, but Slit goes on with an interesting detail here quote. Subsequently, such gloves were also used

by Halstead's assistants. They put them on when taking instruments out of the corrosive sublimate solution in which the instruments were kept, and pass them on to the operating surgeon who did not wear gloves. So the assistance would you'd have like a scalpel, and that would be in a sterilizing caustic chemical, and the assistance would put gloves on to take the thing out of that chemical, hand it to the surgeon who would receive it with an ungloved hand and then operate.

Speaker 4

Yeah, I guess one of the things to drive from here is, you know, the adoption of a new technology is sometimes a little patchy.

Speaker 2

And the reasoning can be different than what you'd expect. So they've got by eighteen eighty nine, Halsted's assistants and nurses are using rubber gloves to protect their hands from these coustic chemicals. But it wasn't until eighteen ninety six that rubber gloves to protect the patient during surgery became standard at Johns Hopkins. It just didn't seem like an obvious solution until around then. Now, another thing is that

so rob earlier you mentioned this three vat process. You've got surgeons who would wash their hands with soap and then submerge their hands in alcohol and then dip their hands in an antiseptic chemical before going into surgery. So you would think, man, you go through that kind of procedure, that really should kill all the bacteria, right, shouldn't your

hands be perfectly clean by then? But one of the things that became clear to these surgeons in the eighteen nineties is that this actually it was pretty good, but it wasn't good enough because even if you could sterilize the outside skin of your hands, there were little pockets where germs could camp out and still infect a wound.

Examples would include the sebaceous glands. These are little gland pockets attached to hair follicles that produce sebum, which is a waxy or oily substance that coats the skin and hair. And then also you've got like underneath the fingernails. You know, you're just gonna have like little recesses back there where these liquids are not getting in deep enough, and germs

from in there might still get out during surgery. And for some reason, this reminds me of you remember in our invention episode on the death ray, the idea of this time between World War one and two where there was terror about the inadequacy of ground based defenses against air raids. And there's this phrase that was used at the time, the bomber always gets through. I compared that to the bacterium in this case. Right, there's this fear that the bacterium somehow always gets through.

Speaker 4

Right, right, there's always going to be at least one little crack in the defenses with this method.

Speaker 2

So to try to get around these problems where you know, sterilizing your hands is not good enough. This is where gloves come in, and so we mentioned several times this guy, Johannis van Mikulitch, he tried this interesting solution, beginning with an operation on Easter eighteen ninety six, which was sterilized cotton gloves. So hands would go through the regular gauntlet washing and disinfection, but then after this you would put

on these sterilized cotton gloves. They were very big. They had sleeves or gauntlets going all the way up the arm to the elbow or past the elbow, and you can see pictures of these they kind of look like mummy arms. Now, of course they're cotton gloves, so they're not impermeable, so over the course of an operation they would become soaked with blood and you might need to change them out for a new pair. But Mikolitch was very positive about them. He is like, you know, they're

not that bad. And sometimes with cotton gloves you can even grip some things better, like holding onto tissues is easier with cotton gloves than with the naked hand. But there were times when the cotton gloves reportedly caused problems. One example would be this is the example given by Mikolitch.

When a surgeon is feeling around on the inside of the stomach, lining to locate a tumor by touch, the cotton would apparently dull the sensitivity of the fingers, and Mikolitch wrote that in cases like this, you could briefly take off the glove, reach around and feel for the tumor with your bare fingers as quickly as possible, and then once you found it, you put on a pair of fresh cotton gloves.

Speaker 4

Yeah, and it's the five second rule of rooting around in somebody's stomach cavity. Right.

Speaker 2

Yeah, that seems like not a great solution, but at least you're trying to use something. So Mikolitch also tried out early rubber gloves, but said they were not tenable because they had they just had major disadvantages for manual dexterity, and they weren't much better than cotton gloves for acepsis.

I don't know about that last claim, but apparently, according to Schlick, at least the surgeon most responsible for bringing rubber gloves into vogue in German speaking hospitals was Werner's Zoga von Manteuffel, who lived eighteen fifty seven to nineteen

twenty six. Zoga was especially in search of failsafe aseptic protocols because he worked in an environment of a municipal hospital where he had to quote operate promiscuously, so he couldn't like, specialize in one type of surgery and quarantine for that. Instead, he had to operate alternately on like infected patients and uninfected ones, sometimes handling pus or feces or whatever, and then immediately having to go operate on a different patient. So his solution to this was boiled

rubber gloves. There were downsides. The rubber gloves were uncomfortable. Sometimes they made it hard to move or bend the thumb. Sometimes the fingers were too long, which made gripping difficult, and because of these conditions, operations with rubber gloves would often take longer than the same operation with bare hands. And then, to read from Schlick quote, but this Zoga thought was outweighed by the gains in aseptic control the absolute safety of the quote boiled hand, as he called it.

Zoga thus explicitly weighed the two kinds of control against each other. What also becomes clear in this discussion is the importance of the technical details of the gloves for reconciling manual and aseptic control. They had to be made in a way so that they didn't compromise the surgeon's grasp too much, but at the same time we're effective in keeping bacteria out. So this is a way of

trying to get the boiled hand into circulation. You've got to make it so that it's worth it to the surgeon that they can still do what they need to do. If you've got a rubber glove that is boiled and is a septic, it's not going to get bacteria in there, but you can't really operate effectively with it. That doesn't do you any good.

Speaker 4

I do love the name the boiled hand. By the way, we were talking about this a little bit before we came in here. Just perfect.

Speaker 2

This seems to be a bigger thing than just zoga.

Speaker 4

Here.

Speaker 2

There's like a general anguish at the time expressed by multiple surgeons about the idea of hands being non boilable objects. Boiling, I think, became a kind of metonym for aseptic safety, so you might at the time, instead of saying something is aseptic, you might just call it boiled. Whether or not it had literally been boiled. Now a couple of other interesting solutions mentioned in the Schlick paper. There was a guy named George Perthies who lived eighteen sixty eight

to nineteen twenty seven. He was a surgeon in Leipzig who said that full rubber gloves were too thick and difficult to work with, but suggested that surgeons could use quote, fine finger covers made out of condom rubber quote, which have been put on the market recently and which impaired the touch of the finger relatively little. And that's kind of surprising. But yes, rubber condoms had existed in some form going back to at least the mid nineteenth century.

Eighteen f These rubber condoms were allegedly made of rather thick material, but they did exist at the time, and Perthy suggested that, yeah, this condom rubber could actually be useful to the surgeon for having a good compromise between being impermeable and being a septic, but also allowing the surgeon to feel what they are doing. But Perthy's himself

favored silk gloves, which you already mentioned. He said, you know, they're great for manual control silk feels like you're wearing nothing at all, But of course they didn't have the aseptic advantages of impermeable rubber. There are a couple of other things that Schlick mentions, involving the idea of thin gloves coated in wax and whether or not that would be useful, leather gloves that maybe were topped with condom

rubber or something. But yeah, ultimately we get to this desire that Wolfer articulates that you mentioned earlier, that you got to have a surgical glove that has all of the following characteristics. It's impermeable, it's flexible, tear resistant, not too tight, not too hot, and it can be sterilized. And this is what they ended up debating at this

Surgical Congress in eighteen ninety eight. And there were all kinds of interesting debates here about like the actual bacteriological evidence for gloves, Like there were some people at this meeting who dissented, arguing on the basis of experiments that

gloves were not actually useful. And there was one experiment that involved testing cotton gloves, so again not the rubber ones, but taking cotton gloves that had been used in surgery and then squeezing out the quote glove juice and then doing a culture of that to see what its germ content was, and they were like, look, this glove juice

is full of germs. These gloves can't be useful. In fact, they're picking up because they get soaked with blood, they're picking up germs from the air, and they're introducing new germs. And then this led to a really i think a debate between different evidential standards. So you have some people say saying, well, look, we've done these lab experiments saying that you know, the glove juice is full of bacteria

and that's no good. But then there are these other people saying, well, yeah, but we've used gloves in actual surgeries and we see the differences in outcomes, and the outcomes are better when you use gloves. And so they were comparing different standards of like how should we measure whether this is effective or not.

Speaker 4

Now.

Speaker 2

Eventually, over time there was agreement that impermeable gloves were the gold standard and that if you could manufacture them in a way that didn't sacrifice too much manual control, which of course we did get with the with the sterile gloves that people use today made of thin materials such as latex, nitrial are vinyl.

Speaker 4

Yeah, modern medical gloves come in, of course, various sizes. They are made from a variety of polymers. You get powdered and unpowdered, or even powdered with corn starch to cut down on skin irritation. There've been a lot of efforts towards the elimination of powdered gloves in general, and there are alternatives for individuals with latex allergies. So, uh, yeah,

modern medical gloves, there's this broad spectrum there. We've come a long way, obviously since since these these first prototypes were being unveiled, and yeah, it's we're we're in a in a totally different age now when it comes to just the acceptance of of medical and surgical gloves. You again, you would not accept bare fingers and bare hands as an alternative.

Speaker 2

But I think it's also good to understand that at the time, resistance to the to the take up of gloves, especially impermeable gloves, was not just uh just stubbornness or quackery. There probably was some of that, but a lot of it was also genuine concern for being able to operate effectively.

Speaker 4

Yeah, I mean when you're you're I think the the example of our promiscuous surgeon uh is Key here though, Yeah, because he's talking like clearly he's weighing. Yeah, these are these are bulkier in some cases, but like I need to be able to go from this patient to this patient to this patient. You know, we need to be able. It's kind of like getting into the scale issue of inventions, like, okay, I can. It's one thing to create a perfect prototype in isolation. It's one thing to be able to conduct

one surgery in perfect isolation. But if that's just one of many surgeries you're performing during a set amount of time, well then you're in a slightly different scenario. There are all these other factors you have to take into account totally.

Speaker 2

Yeah.

Speaker 4

Oh, and then to come back to our outer limits example from earlier, the idea of being able to perform medical interventions like out in the field, like this seems another area where gloves are vital, because yes, I mean, you still are going to ideally, you know, have some some sort of cleansing materials, but are you going to have three vats in which to spend some time washing your hands, or are you going to have to essentially snap on some gloves and get in there and try

and save someone's life that sort of thing. Yeah, So anyway, it's a yeah, fascinating topic, I think, especially when you get into the adoption of a new technology, how we look back on it and how, you know, the efforts of the historian to place us within that time period to make sense of it all just all very fascinating and I think something to keep in mind and to think about the next time you're in a medical facility or in a checkup of one sort or another and

you see your doctor or you don't see them snap on those gloves. The gloves are just part of it. Of course, we'd love to hear from anyone out there who regularly wears medical gloves, surgical gloves as part of your profession. You know, what are your thoughts on them, what sort of a history do you have with them, and you have to use a certain variety of glove due to allergies or scan irritations. We'd love to hear

some insight from the field. All right, Well, we're going to go ahead and close out this Invention themed episode of Stuff to Blow Your Mind, but we love to hear from everyone out there. Just a reminder that new episodes of Stuff to Blow Your Mind come out on Tuesdays and Thursdays. And oh, we should also mention we mentioned condoms briefly. We do have an older episode of Invention about the invention of the condom, so we recommend that.

And of course we've touched on medical history topics numerous times over the years and you can find those in the archives. On Mondays we do listener mail episodes. On Wednesdays we do short form artifact or monster Fact, and on Fridays we set aside most series concerns and just talk about a weird film.

Speaker 2

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