Day of the Dolphin

The tattoos the symbol of love and unity. Yeah, this kind of like if you see them depicted in art and tattoos and van murals, um and uh and gatty t shirts, like they're this supernatural sea being that rises up from the water to the stove, gifts on on on on fishermen that happened to catch them in their nets or something. It's yeah, it's really kind of strange.

I think it's clear to say that we have an obsession with them as humans or you know, as of late yeah, right, And and this could be because of Flipper, which is what like nineteen sixties subtly that that show, which sort of introduced everybody to this incredible creature. And I think most people before that thought, oh, dolphins just one of those you know, fish swimming around. It's not that exciting, some sort of freaky sea mammal, you know. Yeah,

did not a lot of thought put into it. And of course, part of part of this has to do with the whole flipper craze also has its roots with John C. Lily, the out there um fringy. Well, at his best, he was kind of a fringe scientist and then he just completely jumped over the fringe and took off willy nilly into the into the bushes of of

non science. Yeah. And for a while though he was pretty well funded um and was doing some very freaky experiments, including flooding a house for two weeks and uh having one of his research assistance female hole up with a dolphin. And we we we've talked about it before. It's in fact, we talked about it in the weirdo rock Star Lives of Scientists, So there's much more of that there. But but it was a period where suddenly, you know, for all his faults, he was like, hey, dolphins are pretty

incredible creatures. And they have some really incredible characteristics and mental Uh, they have an amazing mental capacity. Yeah, and their mammals like us, which not you know, it's probably not apparent to everybody at first, but um, they presided me they're young for the first eight months of life. Um and and I think that we can't help but find similarities between ourselves and dolphins, particularly when we think about their language capabilities. And again this is sort of

the whole like Flipper thing John C. Lily thing. These are the people or the ways that showed us that that dolphins can really talk to us in a certain way. And you think about it this way, this is pretty amazing. This is pointed out in the movie The Cove. Dolphins can understand sign language, which okay, yeah, great, so can chimpanzees. But think about this. Dolphins do not have hands fingers.

It's true, they don't. They don't even have the reference material, which is so interesting to think that they would be able to take all this sign language. Um and again, which we already know we created based on our finger system, right, and we've got the number system based on our finger system. A lot of language is based on our number system. But these guys know. Wow, so they can't type either. Like if I were to call them out on the blogs and like talk a lot of snack dolphins are

gonna type, what are they gonna do? They're just gonna go. They've got that brain computer interface though, so they should be blogging soon. Oh, the the brain computer interface. Yeah, we'll get to um. Yeah they are, they are. Well. We should also mention the whole cute factor really quick, because even though I'm not convinced that they are cute per se, they do have that sort of freaky smile. Look, they kind of look like they're smiling. They have a

permo smile. Yeah, And I tried to get to the bottom of business here with you about this, Like what it was that freaked you out about? It was the Uncanny Valley effect. Maybe just because it's a Permo smile. I mean, it's cute. How can you not know it's But it's like it is kind of a permo smile. It's kind of like the joker or something. Or it's also it's like I've had this conversation with my wife before about our cat where I would be like, what would it be like if the cat could smile? Or laugh,

and we both agree that would be really creepy. So the idea of an animal smiling or even appearing like we kind of flow with it. With dogs, I guess, not that dogs actually smile, but they kind of have, you know, when they're panting, they open their mouth and we're like, oh, he looks happy. They got the ears that yet it works more with them, But but with the dolphin, I'm just kind of like, what's they smiling about? What's it's? You know, what is this idea of fun

or humor? It probably doesn't line up with my idea of fun or humor. Well, regardless of still on the pantheon of cuteness next to unicorns, kittens, and horses. Yes, so it's uh, if we turn back the clock on the dolphin, if we start looking at where they came from, they of course did not come from another planet. Uh. There there, let's go ahead and dismiss that right out. They are not um, you know, here to study us

um and report back to the mothership. But they did evolve from um other forms of life, as everything else has. And if you do you turn back the clock current, according to current studies, you end up with a very strange looking creature that I will I'll either put a picture of this on the accompanying blog post for this podcast or for this episode, or I will um, I'll embed it or something just so you can see it.

Because the the earlier form of life that modern dolphins evolved from looks kind of like a uh, how do it describe the Yes, the opposite A cute kind of like a hyena hippo, Like a hyena hip and a hippo had a baby, and that baby like had some plastic surgery done when it grew up. It's a look more like an alligator. Yeah, I can I see that. There's like the head has the features of the hippo sort of around the eyes and in the cheekbones if you could say that they don't know that they have

cheek bones. Um, but yeah, the rest of the body sort of looks like an alligator. Yeah. If they had had like chicken coops forty eight million years ago, this thing looks like it would just eat chickens NonStop. Like there's something kind of fox like about it. Yeah, And it's surprising when you think about the dolphin today, which is sleek and I won't say cuddly, because they're not cuddly, but they're playful. And again they've got the permo smile.

This is the opposite of that. Yeah, this is kind of have the more of a sort of a perma snarl going on. And uh so this creature again forty eight million years ago, it would have been a semi aquatic herbivore um with the name the end or something like that. Yeah, endoyas let's call it called that. And it was actually a related to the hippo. I mean, the hippo is a is a fairly close evolutionary relative

to all cessations. Yeah, and uh, I mean this is this is the group of of the hoof first, I guess you could say, right, the hoof ones and um. As a result of this information, um, and this is the best gas right too. We don't have Yeah, we all just based on theory. Yeah, but some people have said, oh, they've evolved from dogs. This is not true. You'll see that sometimes, um, you know obviously on the internet out there.

But because you know of their connection with rhinos um and and you know obviously like an alligators as well, this you know, you see some similarities in terms of starting out as being a shallow waters forager. This is this is what the dolphin was doing, hanging out, you know, beach cheer in the water. And then you know, throughout the years became a bit of a more sleeker version of this self, right as as natural selection kicked then and uh what in the the more aquatic variations were

the ones that survived. Yeah, but we should probably talk a little bit more too about the features of dolphins. They bill anticetations right along with porpoises and whales, and um, these guys can measure as long as thirteen feet in weigh one thousand pounds, so they can get up there. Um, they come superficially resemble fishes we've talked about. They are mammals um, and they travel and pods of up to a dozen dolphins, which is interesting because this is the

sort of community that they're in. It's not just that they're hanging out that this is usually their families that they're traveling along with. And we'll talk a little bit more about that later and how it's sort of um makes us better understand them as being social creatures like us.

And uh, they have pretty big brains too. Yeah, based on m R. I scans, we can you know, we've really been able to get in there and go elbow deep into these fantastic delphin dolphin brains and uh, they're they're big relative to their body size, and they have a highly convoluted neo cortex, which is a structure that also allows for self awareness, processing of complex emotions, and they we we tend to see their U. The evolution of the dolphin brain um as its occurring in various

growth spurts throughout history, Like the first big jump would have happened about thirty nine million years ago, and this is when you had primitive dolphins that have you know, they've they've they've diverged, they've shot off, they're they're living it up in the water. And uh, this is around the time that echolocation became really big. And yeah, I think of bats, except it's you know, it's a it's a little more complex than that. But they're using sound

to see things, using sound to hunt. And we've observed some remarkable um examples of this, of of them using it to to track prey and actually sort of heard them in UM. It's U really incredible. It's very sophisticated. So now or basically Yeah, there's actually one study that they had a couple of dolphins and um, it was predicated basically on them being able to get some fish. So each of them had to hit a letter on the right or left and they had to mimic each

other and then they'd get the fish. They'd be rewarded with that. Well, they did that over and over again, and then they did it in different rooms where they couldn't see each other, and finally they did it to the point where they could only hear each other. And again, if the other dolphin does not hit the correct button,

then they're not going to get the fish. And so what they observed is that even in another room that they would hear the dolphins say something to the other dolphin, which then was construted as hey hit the left lever, buddy, or something along this line, so we can get this fish. And in fact, they would do this over and over again.

And it just shows you that the power of echo location is for them, um, so incredible and used in ways that you know, they could particularly just be sort of blind and be able to see using this sonar and um, you also draw dragged in the social uh connotation there because that was another evolutionary spurt in brain size that occurred they think about fifteen million years ago as they developed a more social lifestyle and uh and social interactions that takes a fair amount of brain power.

So the brain again began to grow inside become became more complex as they had to us as the dolphins that were better capable of navigating uh, their social structure were the ones to survive and become the species. Yeah, we know in humans too that we develop our neo cortex in part as a way to to deal with

our social situations, including parenting. And again there's another parallel because you do see dolphins staying with your young for two three years raising them, and again there's a whole feeding thing for eight months at the very big and then traveling as a family. Yeah, you'll typically see the vacation spots. Um. They're always kind of loud though, because they're they're taking photos and yeah, yeah, I know, the

loud shirts. What are you gonna do? Um? But you know, so that's that's a I think, just a little glimpse of their intelligence. Um. And again there their brain size that second only to humans, so they trump everybody else in terms of brain size umnix for us. Yeah, but we don't use the echolocation to find things. So true true, and we should say to that a lot of their brain is uh, that brain space is committed for echolocation, right,

that's why one of the reasons why it's so large. Yeah, it's one of these intruations we get into and looking at any species though where in analyzing an animals intelligence, you all, we always inevitably fall back on the human model. So just because because one animal, the human is capable of reading Moby dick and uh and the doll and isn't,

doesn't mean that the dolphin is stupid. It's just a different type of intelligence, right, I mean and and and actually Mobi dick, right, I mean one could be reading it, the other could be just you know, terrorizing ships, right. And I mean that's interesting that you bring up what is intelligence because we've talked about it before. We've talked about it is pattern recognition and the ability to try to predict the future and pre plan And you see

this in dolphins again and again. We've talked about this before about dolphins using sponges on the tips of their noses to forage on the ocean floor. And the reason they do that is so that in case there's some sort of creature there, it doesn't like snap out at them and uh you know, scar them or take a chunk of skin off, and it allows them to kind of see where the creatures are without getting hurt. And obviously this takes pre planning. Yeah, I mean, it's too

of you. So it's a it's a fairly advanced technique. Yeah, yeah, exactly. And there's another and good example I really like this is from dolphin researcher Peter Rand Folkins. Uh. He tells the story of out how Marine World Africa, USA. They had trained the dolphins to retrieve trash and bring it to the trainer and then they get a reward fish of course. And um, what they saw is that the dolphins would clean up the area spick and span, and yet pieces of trash they would still find and bring

up to the trainer and get their fish. And so they were saying, I have this as possible. This area is completely clean. And what they had found is that one dolphin had begun to put a stash of um trash into this little trash bag that was on the side that and how incredible was that that the dolphin actually planned for that saw the trash bag and was like, Um, that's gonna be my storehouse. That's going to make sure

that I am always knee deep in fish. Well, you know, this gets us into the area of more into the area of what can we have make dolphins do, which after this brief break, we're going to discuss in detail. This presentation is brought to you by Intel Sponsors of Tomorrow. All right, so we're back and let's talk about what dolphins can do for us because as humans, you know, recognizing an animal and animals intelligence is great, but can we use it to fight wars or to do work

that we don't want to do? I mean, sadly, a lot of it comes down to that, or or even what can it do to entertain me? Yeah? I know, I'm I'm just thinking that one respect. They're really lucky that they are no longer really dwelling animals and they're in the water, because we probably would have them on trash detail a lot of the highways. I can picture them in their little orange jumpsuits. Um well, one of the the the first efforts to make or well convinced

I don't know. It depends how you look at it. Dolphins to do thanks for us UM back in Sea Lab two, which we discussed in our Life Aquatic podcast. This was UM at Hunter's Point Naval Shipyard in San Francisco, and this was an underwater laboratory environment. Uh, most of the tests they were doing that we're just figuring out, Hey, can people work, um, say, at a depth of two feet for thirty straight days? Can they you know, can they can they carry out experiments? Are they gonna go

crazy or become sick? Yeah? It was human centric, Yeah, very very human centric. They also experiment with the trained por porpoise named Toufee to do courier work between the habitat um on the ocean floor and the surface, and instead of using a hose to provide the humans with the all the supplies from the surface, the Navy sometimes used toughie to bring things down, things like male tools

and even bottles of soda. So I'm not saying it wasn't kind of demeaning to the dolphin, but um, but it was based in pure research saying it was sort of beyond what they should have been doing, or well, I mean they should have been doing like watercolors. Well, well it gets weirder when you when you start looking at with the the name because in you know, the U. S. Navy was more into like, all right, well they can fetch a soda, but can they do things we actually

need them to do. Because we can get soda, we can we can provide soda for our submarine. Right, we can do that. But they do give them to find explosive minds, right, yeah, so that was a big deal in the sixties. Um mind sweeping. Yeah. They weren't disarming mines. They weren't going down like you know, bread busting it open and finding blue wires and red wires or anything

like that because again no hands. But they did teach them how to how to find the mines and then they would reward them with with a you know, a nice fish treat. Have you ever seen a clue here? Fish really big In the dolphin world, Yeah, yeah. Another example, and this is again the US Navy is uh and this is from Slate dot Com and The Tail and the Dolphin by Daniel Anger. Um it is quote. Dolphins and sea lions are also trained to use bite plate

systems to mark or capture water borne intruders. When they spot an enemy diver underwater, they can poke them with a bite plate to release a strobe light beacon, presumably so someone can find that person. And they might also carry c shaped clamps that snaps shut on a diver's leg. Once a dolphin cuffs the diver, it turns back to its hamler with a tether line. Oh my goodness, can you imagine getting cuffed by a dolphin? Yeah, it's like Miami Vice there. I mean, it's uh, it's amazing, it is.

I mean about the only thing more amazing is if the tether were actually attached to the dolphin, right, Yeah, yeah, that's true, and they could just bring them in and they had a little dolphin car and yeah, but I like the idea that because you don't want the dolphin then to go rogue and like just drag the person out to see you want him to hand him over to the authorities. Now, but human authority. It's true, Yeah, it's true. You know who knows what they're capable? Evenue.

It makes me think of The Onion, which has a couple of very funny dolphin headlines, but one of them is dolphins develop opposable thumbs and the whole article, which is kind of funny, but actually the article is hilarious. It talks about how now that they have a postable thombs, humans are toast. Yeah, they're gonna take us over. They're like I said, if they were to have hands, it's like who knows exactly what they want? Um, because we can't talk to them and talk to him. Yes, this

is this is really interesting. Um. So if you go back to the nineties, you had this guy named Lewis Herman and he worked at the uh Kualo Basin Marine Mammal Laboratory in Honolulu, and uh he discovered the bottom of those dolphins can keep track of over a hundred different words, and they can. They can they can roll with different commands that use these words in different forms like the The example that I ran across was like fristance. You should be able to say, hey, can you bring

that surfboard to me? And they would understand that, and then they would equally understand hey can you bring me to that surfboard? Which the difference is obvious to us, but we're talking about I mean, the English isn't a second language, like language is the second language for the dolphin.

You know, I think if you're trying to learn German and how difficult that is because the placement affords and I'm doing it as an as a dolphin, right yea, with several languages, because your trainer could be German, right yeah, and really fascinating. Um is this more recent approach and

one of one of them. This is mainly a dolphin researcher by the name of Denise Herzing, and she's collaborating with Thad Starner, who's an artificial intelligence researcher at the Atlanta Zone, Georgia Institute of Technology, and the projects called Cessation Hearing and Telemetry or CHAT. I think maybe they can chat first. I don't know, I'm just stand but basically, the the the ideas really neat here. It's all right, so dolphins kind of had they have their own language.

And I'm doing quote marks with my fingers because it's this is a whole different discussion about what constitutes a language and all. But they have they can clearly um

communicate via sound. They use sound in very clever ways and often in way that we can't even fully understands, Like they they can produce sounds that frequencies up to two kiloherts, around ten times as high as the highest pitch that a human can hear, and in so many different directions to you, right, which makes it again hard to sort of tag what that vocalization might mean because you don't really know as humans, we don't really know what it's being directed to. Yeah, they occupy just a

different sonic landscape than we do as a species. So while the past effort was let's teach them some human language, you know, and then that met met with very limited success, and we haven't made a lot of strides towards understanding their language because again, a lot of us out of our hearing. So this effort is is kind of about developing a new language. Like meeting them halfway, right, it's fascinating. I don't know. Um, they're they're recording interpreting in the

responding to the dolphin sounds. This is um. This is from an article and new scientists talk with the dolphin via underwater translation machine. UM and starting his students are built a prototype device featuring a smartphone sized computer and

to hydrophone capable of detecting the full range of dolphins sounds. Yeah, and then also you know, it's about detecting the patterns within their sound cataloging detecting um IT says a diver will carry the computer in a waterproofed case worn across the chest, and LEDs embedded around the diver's mask will light up to show where a sound picked up by

the hydrophones originated from. The diver will also have a handheld device, the x as a combination of mouse and keyboard for selecting what kind of sound to make in response. So these are sort of the first steps in trying to uh they're calling it co create the language, which I think is funny because it'llaboration right because they've had a lot of meetings with the dolphins and and they're

into it. Um So, Herzing and Starner will actually start testing this system on wild Atlantic spotted dolphins in the middle of this year, and at first, divers will play back one of the eight words coined by the team to mean like seaweed or bow wave ride for example. Um in the software will then listen to see if the dolphins mimic them. I don't know, we'll see I'm I'm I'm curious, like I instantly am thinking though of like this outrageous scenario where we make first contact with

the dolphins. Yeah yeah, Like what would like on one hand, are they're going to say, greetings human, we I am so glad that you can we can finally communicate as a as as brothers, and we wish to convey to you this this message of environmental responsibility. Or would it be like that's that's my my erudite dolphin voice. Or would it be like, yo, man, do you want give me that fish? I'll totally go get your mind if

you give me that fish. Yeah yeah, or like I'll totally tell you about gray matter, but yeah, I want um a thousand barrels of fish right now? Uh sorry, gray matter dark matter matter? Yeah? Either one one mistranslate. One mistranslation between dolphin and human language. And then they go out and start harvesting brains. That's the problem with their newly sprung up as. They're like, they want us

to get gray matter. Do you mean in the dark matter, all that dark matter we store at bottom of the ocean, And they're like, no, they's a great matter. Like all right, fish the fish, let's start harvesting brains. Let's do it. Yeah, yeah, next thing you Knew documentary. Um, okay, so they are very much like us, right, we've sort of discussed why

big brains mammals. They like hanging out with your young traveling in pods, and they're altruistic, yes, which makes sense for us um in evolutionary sense, right, because if we do something nice for each other, then we kind of help stabilize the species and we promote success as a whole.

But why in the world would they help humans? I want to know why would they help That's the thing, because you can understand them, like, you know, looking after other dolphins in the pod because the pod needs to survive. But you know, why are they helping out, say human fishermen um in in South America? Where the where the dolphins actually heard the fish in towards the nets? Or why are they cool with you know, fetching mine ens

or or slapping handcuffs on strange divers. I mean, is it really that that little fish treat is that important to them? I don't know. I mean you have heard before of people being rescued by dolphins, right, yeah, or of surfers going you know, being about to be attacked by a shark, and then you know sort of t boned to the side by a dolphin, you know, a

thwarting the attack. So I don't know. I think I think that's probably one of the reasons why they're such an enigma to us, because again there's this connection seems to happen um with us. But also like the video you sent me, which was like, oh, yeah, shootest thing I've ever seen of dolphin nuzzling with a kitten on a boat. Yes, and I will definitely embed this on

the accompanying blog post for this for this article. But yeah, you see like a cat walking over to the edge of the swimming pool, or it's not swimming pool, it's a dolphin tank, but walking to the edge of the tank, and the dolphin comes up and they're like, like the dolphins nuzzling the top of the cat's head the same way that you know you need cat owners out there

likely to do to their own pet cat. It's straight and yeah, it's it's very weird the way that the dolphin does it because it's it's the cat obviously is into it, and it's right on that part of the head that the cat loves. Um. So there's that, and then um there the other saying, you know, and just I feel like we've already sort of be smirched dinosaurs and talking about their sex lives, so we might as

well talk about dolphins. Turns out that these are randy folks. Yeah. Well, it's not like they're trying to keep it private or anything. They don't care. They're out there doing it. They have sex stuff sex, not necessarily to procreate. And this is so weird too. They actually can develop HPV, which is human people of a virus. Uh. There was an interview with um R Flo from Science Friday, and he was

talking to a couple of folks about this. Um. It was an interview with Dr Hendrik Nolan's the University of Florida. And let me just read it real quick. This is a transcript of this. Uh, there was, It says from Plateau. Another question you were intriguing me a boy talking about the sea of viruses that are swimming in the ocean. And one of those I was thinking about and I've heard about, is this genital papuoma virus. UM. I know

there's a human papulovirus that might lead to cancer. Is there something similar in that sea of viruses that might be affecting the dolphins, and doctor Nolan says there is, and it probably doesn't come from the c order. It may be related to their sexual behavior maybe, which is

purely hypothesis. But no, dolphins do get genital papul imma virus infections, and what is actually unique about them is that they're the only other species other than humans that we see multiple type of infections at the same time. Um so, But the weird thing about is that that doesn't actually develop into cervical cancer for dolphins. And that's a big question from why that might happen in a human and not in dolphins. In yeah, so, I mean

STD awareness campaigns, I think for dolphins. And well, one thing, I've brought this up before and I will probably bring it up in every discussion about dolphins for the rest of my life. But um I the reports of Okay, only a few people on this Earth can afford a private submarine that allows him to go underwater, Branson, We're looking at you and have and and the engage in human sex in front of a an underwater plan again,

Richard Branson. So these people have reported dolphins coming and watching this activity through the glass, which again that that's just why is this happening? Why, what does the dolphin care? What does the dolphin possibly get out of? Is it just because there's motion and they're just curious? I mean, I guess I would tend to decide with that versus

any kind of perversion on the dolphins. Well, I mean, I think about John C. Lily's experiment too with his female research assistant who lived in the flooded half for two weeks with the dolphin. It began to expose his genitals to her and began to rub up against her. And I won't go into all the other things that did, but uh, clearly like there's there's an interest in interspecies, uh you know, going songs. Well, again, they're just rant any importness in a storm, right, So I guess that's

I mean, I guess that's their attitude. Yeah, they have a T shirt that says that, Yeah, well there you go. We we managed to end that on again dolphins, sex and STDs. And they still have a cheap smile though, Yeah they do. And uh, of course we have a lot of information on dolphins on the house stuff works dot com website. If you just go to the home page. There you'll find that the gold, big old search bar. Just drop dolphins in there and just back in the

results that you will receive Heaven. Yeah, so they're more information awaits you there. But hey, what awaits me now is some listener mail. See what we have here? Ah, here's one from Chris. Chris writes in and says, uh, and he's responding to our episode about the five finger evolutionary discount, about the the five fingers that we have and that we share with just about every other animal on the planet. And he says, today I was cutting

wood and I accidentally cut my pinky. When I went inside, I put a band aid on it to keep it safe, and I proceeded with my day. Before bed, I faithfully brush my teeth, and an attempt to keep my band aid intact, I tried not to use my pinkie, so I stuck it out. Have you ever tried to brush your teeth without your pinky? Let me tell you it is really hard. When it comes to the turning to get every single spot of tooth nice and clean, it tends to be difficult. Indeed, we do need five fingers.

Um Chris from Manitoba. And then Chris adds ps. If we didn't have pinkies, then when we drank tea, we wouldn't be able to do the whole pinkies up routine. See uh see they do come they do come in very handy so here here. So that's some some excellent research there from Chris uh And indeed you find this too. I've found this to be the case. You know, you you tend to discount some of your fingers. You're like pinkies. I don't know what there for. You know, they're just

hanging out there on the end. But you you nick your finger, you end up having to throw a band aid over it, and and it's like totally inconveniences everything you're doing throughout the day. Well, you become aware of it all the time when you go to open a door knob or heats, you know, brushing his teeth and yeah, all of a sudden, you're like, I am more aware of my fingers than I've ever been in my entire life, and the fact that one of them is throbbing in

pain right now. And here's another bit of listener mail from our listener Tom. And Tom writes in and says, uh, hey, stuff to blow your Mind podcast. I can't say enough how much you to enjoy your podcast along with the Tech Stuff podcast. Indeed another fine listening choice. And uh, actually it actually educates me as I drive among corn fields on the way to work. Um, I tend to

listen to the episodes in Big Old Bunches. So I am writing after listening to the podcast on music changing our minds and changing our minds the hard way, So that yeah, these were the one dealing with what happens in our brain when we listen to music, and the other what happens to our mind or the expression of ourself when you say, gets struck by lightning or have an iron rod fire up through your prefrontal cortex. Right,

how does that change the sense of yourself? Right? So he says, when hearing that the music can actually alter our moves and behavior and and possibly for the positive and not the kiss army way my mom warned me about my mind, immediately jumped to Bill and Ted's excellent Adventure, another fine work. Yes, Uh, the scientific evidence actually makes it seem movie plausible that the quote unquote perfect band like Wild Stallions could actually bring about world peace. Awesome,

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