A Musical Time Machine for the Brain

taken care of that ages ago. But I mean, there's nothing more frustrating, really when you're trying to do a podcast and your your podcast partner is just it's just stuck in that call waiting limbo. Well, if how Stuff Works would just shut off that portal into the call waiting void, that wouldn't happen, right. I didn't saying we need to break that thing up for for years, but no one ever does it, so I know, and you would think that when we moved into a new space

they would do that, but apparently not so important. And apparently they don't realize that the average Americans spend about forty three days of their lives on hold. That's over the course of a lifetime, Right, Yeah, it's still depressing.

It's just very depressing to think of that, because because when you're when you're stuck waiting on a call, I mean, even if you can sort of um do something semi interesting or productive while you're waiting, it's still such a wasted time because you're it's not like you're gonna be able to do anything well outside of waiting on that call. Right, You're still mentally tethered to that call. And I don't know, do you think it makes it worse or better when

call hold music is played? Well, you know, I guess prior to this research, I would say that I tended to prefer it. You have, only because it allows me to They put the phone on speaker phone, set it down, and there's that like constant tinkling of of boring waiting music in the background, and I know that as long as I'm registering that music, I can sort of drift

away from the phone. I'm not gonna I don't have to worry about there's suddenly being a person, because if there's suddenly a person on the other line, there's gonna be a stark fall off in that music, and then there'll be some somebody from some of the country saying hello, Hello, I'm here to talk to you. Yeah. And it's true because you do kind of feel like you're in the

void in the first place on the call. So if you have some sort of auditory queue that you're still there that I haven't to them, yeah, then it makes you feel a little bit better. But as we will discuss in this episode, the quality of the music, the pacing of that could affect how you're actually perceiving the passing of time. Yeah. And this is uh, this, this is a fascinating topic because at first it may might seem just normal on every day, I mean, call music.

What could be more boring? What could be I mean a few things are more boring than call music. But when you start looking at you you get into the perception of time, altered perceptions. It's it's really a deep and fascinating topic. Yeah. And at the bottom of all of this, the sort of base stock of this soup is memory, and we'll talk more about that. But before we go into music and memory, let's just briefly talk

about the types of time. There are the ways in which we try to parse it and deliver it to one another. Yeah, we've talked about this in the past. We did a whole episode or more on the nature

of time and the way we perceived time. Believe that episode was called Clocking clocking in, uh, and then colon in some of it a little bit on there, but but yeah, time is is very tricky to nail down, and it you kind of have to look at it from different to perspectives, sort of like the blind men pawing at the elephant to try and figure out exactly

what this thing is. Because certainly we've talked about cyclical time before, the idea that everything is a circle in the same way that that the season their cyclical, the day and night is cyclical. Uh, that our life is rather cyclical. Every morning we get up, we do things, we eat, we defecate, we grow older, and then we go to sleep. Everything is in a is in a cycle. And if you look back at older civilizations, older cultures,

like that was the way you viewed the universe. Everything was in a cycle, our lives were in a cycle, and any individual point in our life was only important insofar as it carried out a role in that existing circle. Yeah, I mean, in that sense, there really is no beginning or end to time, right, everything is just sort of melding into one another. Now. Linear time, on the other hand, is predicated on organized cultural systems like Christian doctrine. For instance.

In the beginning, right, there's the beginning, there's there's a time in which the universe was born. Um, and then you know that the end of the world is near exactly depending on I guess which version you have, I don't know, um. But that is this attempt to try to, you know, take these cultural systems and make sense of time. And then you have clock time, which pretty much all

of us are on now. Yeah, And we talked about that at length in the episode because clock time is weird too, because there was a time when when clock time was not in any way universal. And as you try, the more we try and make clock time universals, just the more complicated it gets, because of course we have

to have different time zones. Sometimes there are an hour off, sometimes, like in Newfoundland, Canada, they're a half hour off, and uh, and and how do you attempt to get everything coordinated and that when it's a different day on one part of the earth in a different day on the other,

when really everything is existing at the same time. And and then if you start looking out that other planets and the you know, the idea that will eventually be on two planets at once, then how do you start, uh keeping time in a way that makes sense for that scenario. Oh, yeah, because there's time dilation, which we'll get into at a moment that space time. But yeah, doesn't matter that there are eighties six thousand, four hundred seconds and a day. You know, does that knowledge change

the way that time passes? Yeah, it kind of just creates this weird ruler outside of our experience of time. So we we all every day have those have those moments, or more than moments, we have great stretches at times where our experience of time does not match up at all with with with the passage of it, like like go with uh being a new father, with with my with my son. I've gotten where I can sort of gauge how much time has passed by by'll see. It's

it's a little different now. But for while I was thinking, if I if I think fifteen minutes has passed, I need to subtract like half of that, or if I think it's a half hour's pass they need subtract half of that. Um. It's it's a little different now, but but yeah, you get into these weird situations where where your experience of time and clock time are are are

often way off. Yeah, your experience and your documented um columns really and then but we can't help but to put these tents around time and try to describe some sort of meaning or system to it. And then just to confuse things a little bit more a little bit, you have space time, which we've the notion that space and time are not separate. This is Einstein. Of course they act on each other. You have to consider both time and space because your time and my time are

different depending on how we're moving through it. So just like matter can be changed and manipulated, so can space and time. And that's where you have time dilation and the warping of time because the closer you can travel

at the speed of light, the more time slows down. Yeah, and then you get into this crazy idea that is that as in time and space are one, and then it's like time and space is one big lump of Plato where everything that has occurred and will occur it is all existing at once in this big solid, just unimaginable mass. It's true. So you get this idea that this passage of time, it's just not a concrete aspect

of our existence at all. It is largely received by environmental cues, uh not to mention psychological states as dictated sometimes by their larger systems in our culture. So then you have something like music which brings up this idea. Could you have music time m hmm, Well, of course time is a is a huge part of music, keeping the like we need into tempo and the structure of any kind of musical piece. Obviously, it's so mathematical. Music has a beginning in an end. And though I would

do wonder someone out there can tell me this. Has there ever been a piece of music specifically composed to loop on itself forever? Yeah? Actually, there's something called the Buddha Machine, Yeah, and that that uses a set of algorithms to create a loop of music over and over again, although it's in a different arrangement, so every single time that it's played. I used to have one um it creates a new arrangement and it creates as it's based

actually on meditative music that monks play in China. I believe. I hope I have all this right, and um, it's supposed to be soothing, but I think it's super creepy. In fact, I used to play it. I put it in someone's office here at house stuff works and just keep it on so that when they came in they

would hear this eerie music. But I'm surprised nobody, especially back in like the nineties, when everybody was sort of exploring different tricks you could do with the CD format, you know, hidden tracks and and you know, having tracks on an album and that kind of thing. No one to my knowledge ever had an album where at the at the very end it kind of reached the same point at the beginning. Wherever you have the album on loop, uh and on repeat, we just sort of come back

around at the same place forever. I think that's your thing. I think that we are about to get the Robert Lamb experience. That's gonna be the name of your first album. Well, some people might say that I do just loop back on myself, you know, continually, and always come back around to the same anecdotes and the same you know. We all yeah, I mean time is a circle, right, but we're all in our little portable cages of circular time here.

All right, So let's talk about this idea of music and time dilation, or even music and time shrinkage, because when you think about it, time is essentially a substrate of memory. So we estimate how much time is passing based on past experience as well as environmental cues. And underlying all of this are neural connections that will react accordingly.

And these neural connections can be hacked by music. Now, yeah, this makes perfect sense because there's so many things that affect our perception of time, so many experiences, so many situations.

I always think of going to a yoga class where the first five minutes seemed to take forever because I'm anty for it to get started and I'm kind of having second thoughts about being there, and then the last portion, the last you know, fifteen minutes of yoga, uh, seemed to seem to just be a different type of time entirely. And music is an experience. It's a sonic experience, it's a sonic journe me and UH, and that journey varies greatly depending on the on the music, and so our

mind is engaging in that experience. So for a variety of reasons we're going to discuss here. It's going to affect the way you perceive time. Yeah, especially when you think about your brain being this pattern seeking machine and music essentially messing with anticipation what your brain is thinking is going to come next, Especially when you think about mathematics and music and UM you look at these songs. It's just having you know certain arrangements that your brain

is going, Oh yes, I know. Even if you're not musical, you don't know the notes. You are gonna anticipate what that next note is going to be because there's only so many UM chord progressions that exist out there, so we probably have heard all of them by now, and you have some sort of memory of what that potential chord could be. Yeah. I often think about this when I'm listening to music, because you wonder at what point do we run out of songs? You know, mathematics UM

has the pristance. I haven't been listening to the new Tycho album. I love Tycho, wonderful musician. Some of the new songs on the new album are wonderful, but I was kind of like thinking, it kind of sounds like he's playing all the notes between the notes on a previous song. You know, like we're just sort of gradually filling in um like a rectangle of space, until we

we have we have creatively filled every possibility. But but but in a way that ends up playing on your experience of the music because you are you're anticipating the differences. You know, well, you know what's interesting about that is you talk about the space between the notes, that's the time, right,

that's that time dilation. And if you look at classic beatles, if you look at Miles Davis, who created modal jazz, created an entirely different way to experience the jazz notes, blues chords, UM, you will see that those artists are messing with time constructs and music and that maybe why they they um continue to to really intrigue us and persist in music history. Now, I think everyone has had this experience. You you hear a new song and it's fantastic.

You you just love it, so you just start listening to it over and over again, even though there's a there's there's this voice in the back of your head telling you don't do it, don't keep If you keep listening to this song, you're gonna if you're not gonna get it's not you might get sick of it, but you also just might completely dull your appreciation of it. It will become so familiar that will have no power on you whatsoever. You could even become dull um. There's

a possibility of that. But if you really like that piece of music, if it really has created this neural pathway, you might come back to it. But for music, maybe that doesn't grab your attention that much and you hear over and over again. Or if there's just sort of like these trite um constructions of music that you don't appreciate,

and again, all this is so subject. Try to get an exam for you, though, of something that's sort of trite, like dull music from the beginning, not something you lost interest in, but just something the first time you heard it you bored you to tears. I guess in a way, it's it's almost hard to note these songs because they're they're so outside of our our appreciation that they they're almost invisible. That's hard to say, because um uh, by and large, I choose songs that I listened to that

I really like. So everything that I listened to every day is usually pretty much hand picked because I put together all these playlists based on moods and days and all that kind of stuff. Okay, how about something that's thrust upon us, like say Silent Night. It's silent night of boring song. I would tend to argue, it's kind

of boring beautiful. See, that's where I get subjective and well and now, and this is where memory comes into play, because that's a song that I used to sing in Spanish in school and it was like this great moment that I used to get up with my class and sing it and it felt really beautiful, and maybe just singing in Spanish it's more beautiful than in English. What about you lay it on adults song? Well, I think definitely Silent Night comes to mind. And there are various

hymns that I remember growing up with. I feel like, Okay. John Wesley is the founder of Methodism, and he had a brother who wrote a whole bunch of church hymns, and I swear my memory is that he wrote some of the dravest, dullest hymns ever composed. Like stuff is just just just complete, uh, Like it's it's the the musical equivalent of like raw tofu, you know, and you just you just said there singing and you're like, why did you why was this written? What? Why? Why would

you worship a god that this music is about? You know, you felt like it didn't actually even reflect the beauty of the human experience because I mean, I I grew up with church hym so some church hymns, I mean I think, are you know, have a have something really going for him? You know, they really jibe with you, and they have spirit and energy to them, and when everyone sings them together, you have this communal experience with the music. But some of that Wesley stuff just really

was draft. So your neurons weren't firing, you weren't sinking up there with the rest of your community and getting really into exactly yeah. Um. So one of the things that stands out to me in terms of that is

something that could be a repetitive piece of music. And I think about Paul McCartney simply having a wonderful Christmas time, which I hate, sorry to say, and I think because it's so repetitive, and cognitive scientists Daniel Levitton points out that too much confirmation when something happens exactly as it did before, causes us to get bored and tune out. And he says little variations keep us alert as well as serving to draw attention to musical moments that are

critical to the narrative. And remember we talked about storytelling beings such a huge part of the human experience and narrative and song being just an extension of that. Okay, So it's like American Pie for instance. They're like a million verses to American Pie. And if you were to if Don mc lean were to sing each verse the same same speed, with no no, no, no modulation, no changes, Yeah,

it would get really boring really quickly. But and then you could argue again subjectively, that American Pie does get really boring real quickly, but Don McClane does sing each each verse kind of has a different energy to it and and and stresses different parts of the of the lyrics. Yeah, I mean, in a way your brain has to be violated in order to be interested. Yeah, at least the first time, the first time you kind of get hooked

into a song. And Leviton says that that this is seen in a song like the Beatles I Want You and She's So Heavy, He says that that's sort of a typical rock song at some point where you sort of think, okay, it's repetitive, it slows down, and then it gets fast again, and you think it's going to end by fading out in a classical way, but no gradual fade, right. Yeah, they think your brain is thinking that, but no, it just stops in the middle of a chord and your brain kind of goes, WHOA. I like that.

I wasn't anticipating that, and I had been up Yeah it does if and actually listened to it again this morning just to make sure that that was my memory of it as well, and it does have a very sort of lulling, repetitive motion to it. But but then it just sort of jammed you at the end. It makes you sit up and take notice. Huh. Now is it the type of stop? I think I mentioned this before.

If I'm listening to music on my iPhone and and there's that distinctive abrupt kind of almost not it's not an abrupt stop, but kind of a quick dive when a call comes in and you're trying and you're listening to a song, and that always like gives me this lump of anxiety because I'm like, who's calling me? What kind of what am I being called about? Is it's

something bad? We'll talk about this more later, But that's because probably because you're your prefrontal cortex and all this, there are eleven different parts of your brain that are they're absorbing and responding to music, by the way, but that's just one of them that is probably jarred out of this sort of again being lulled into this certain state.

And by the way, when you listen to a song that you find particularly pleasurable or it's is a novel song and intrigues you in a different way, you're going to get a release of dopamine. And here's the crazy thing. If you like that song and the next time you're just thinking about that song or just a couple of the notes begin to play, your memory is going to resurrect that feeling of pleasure and dopamine is going to

start flowing again. So again you can start to see where these neural pathways are starting to make u their self known to your brain and memory is kind of hooking up with it. And to just retouch on the whole mind body connection thing, you kind of have to think about this. When you're talking about dopamine being released and all this again, it's not you're not even just listening to music with your ears. You're not even just listening to music with your brain. Your body listens to music.

Oh yeah, yeah, and we know that your heart rate will sync up to the music, um that you'll begin to respond to a full body experience. All right, let's take a quick break, and when we get back, we're gonna talk about how music can actually be gamed for the retail experience. And we all have heard music over the loudspeaker and when you're at grocery store elsewhere, So let's find out what's going on when we get back.

All right, we're back, we're grocery shopping. We're thinking about the study called the effects of music and in a retail setting on real and perceived shopping times. And we find out that subjects report that when they are shopping and they're listening to music that seems familiar to them, that they think that they have been lingering longer then they actually have been. In fact, it's the music that's unfamiliar to them that causes them to linger longer. That

is seems kind of complicated. Well it seems you know, counterintuitive, right. Yeah, So like if I go into a store and they're playing my favorite song, how does that affect my perception of my time in that store? Okay, so you could say that your prefrontal cortex again, that's trying to anticipate things. It's encountering something familiar and it knows what's going on next. Then time begins to dilate. It seems longer, right because

you already know what's going on in the background. But if you have a new piece of music, then you're preferm. The cortex cannot anticipate what's about to happen next, and it kind of throws a little you know, Mike, you'rerench into the whole thing, and your brain gets distracted and you're not keeping time in the way that you normally would. You can't anticipate things. It kind of comes back to I've thrown this out before, the old myth of the

vampire and some variations of it. You leave like a some sort of intricate knot out or some sort of like a piece of woven fabric out of the vampire, and the vampire will pick this up and the vampire is so obsessed with it, untying the nod or figuring out the pattern, that he or she will forget that the sun is going to come up and then will burn up when when when Donn arrives. And our minds are kind of like that. We've talked about this before.

You throw us an incomplete conversation. You throw us any kind of riddle, something where there is a pattern to perceive, and and it will capture us. And and and if you're in a store and the music is composing a riddle to you, your mind even in the background, can help. But go after that riddle. Go after try and understand it, try to anticipate it and figure out its patterns. Yeah, I mean, unless you're a zen master, you're probably not paying attention to all the different auditory cues and the

visual cues in front of you. So you gotta let this stuff play in the background and let your unconscious deal with it. But what happens is that you are, you know, changing your choices, changing your behavior as a result, not radically, but nonetheless you're changing your behavior. And one example of this is music and alcohol consumption. Oh, you're of course talking about that. Nice quiet music that they play in bars, right, I don't know, I don't even

think they play that anymore. No, it's but but but no, it's it's always loud. You go into a bar and and it's been a while since i've I've I've gone to a bar, But it's always this really loud environment and you're having to shout at the top of your lungs to talk to the person right next to you. And it's it's frustrating. Yeah, it's but and and at times I'm thinking this place is broken. Why don't they turn the music down so we can all have a

conversation here. But they know that's not going to sell drinks. Yeah, they know that for every decibel above deciples, they're going to get you to buy more drinks, possibly even more food. Turns out that above deciples can actually reduce your mental and physical reaction times by and once you get up around twenty decibles, you find that the sales go up

of alcohol. Now, there are a couple of different reasons that we'll get into in a moment, but I also wanted to talk again back into this whole idea about in store music and how it affects us. There was an interesting study by the Journal of Applied Psychology in which researchers played an alternate days stereotypical French or German music in a UK store selling wines. And what did they find. They found that the German music days more German wine was sold. The French music days more French

wine was sold. So again, here's this music playing on your unconscious and playing on your decisions. And it's kind of like if you when you go into a place that sells fancy things and they're playing classical music or some sort of cultured music, and you're you're there and you're thinking, I am about to purchase things that are classy or or or or ritzy, or you go into uh, some sort of you know, hip clothing, so are obviously they're gonna play hip young music, and therefore our brain

can help me make that association. Well, you know in terms of the classical thing. I mean, you just hit right on it. Because there's just a study that looks at restaurants that play classical music. These are upscale restaurants, and they found that people are playing into that narrative I'm at a classy place with music that's beautiful and and uh and I'm my highest human self with tons of money. Sure, one more dessert? Why not? I mean they found that people actually spent more money when they

listened to that classical music in those restaurants. So at heart, if you're somewhere where someone is trying to sell you something and there is music playing, that music is is like a dagger stabbing you right in your willpower, right in your your ability to control your consumption, to allow common sense to enter into your purchasing decision. Yeah, and it's it is interesting how people, really retailers, really pay attention to music and how it affects you. I don't

think all of them are that successful in it. No, And then I'm sure there are some people, especially independent retails, who were just like, oh, we got have some music playing, let's just put something on. And and there may be getting into the whole willpower stabbing thing by accident, but that's the reality exactly. Now. Nicholas go again. He is a professor of behavioral sciences. He conducted a studying on

music and alcohol consumption. He said that there are two hypotheses for that behavior at the bar where there is a hundred twenty decibels or more of music pounding your ears. He says that the first hypothesis is that, in agreement with previous research on music, food, and drink, high sound levels may cause higher arousal. So if you think about it this way, the subjects are drinking faster and ordering more drinks because their motor cortex, uh in their visual

cortex could be over stimulated. So we've talked about this in terms of sinking up our our movements, um, and how music sometimes feels like it's actually compelling us to move. Yeah. I mean you have like a really hopping bar, and you're gonna have what loud, upbeat music. You're gonna have lower light levels, but also light sometimes kind of interesting lights. Maybe it's even like Christmas lights or just the light, uh,

you know, glistening on all the bottles. You're gonna have people moving around, so yeah, you're gonna have this heightened state of arousal. And so that it makes sense that that would that would factor into increased consumption of beverages and or cheesy fries. Yeah, because everything feels like faster, right, Like I gotta get this cheesy fries on my throat

now because the music is telling me to Um. This second hypothesis is that it may have a negative social effect on your social interaction, right, because you can't hear each other. So the social surrogate is just to drink more because I mean, there's just a lack of space between conversations, right, so you fill that with more drinking. Yeah, I mean, I definitely remember that from from college. But part of that was I couldn't get aybody to talk

to me anyway, um, because I don't believe it. No, well, I was. I'm not saying I if I had gone to the right place, I'm sure people would have talked to me. For some reason, I had this crazy idea that I needed to go to this like horrible college bar on the strip and try to meet people. And it was a terrible idea. You got to get the biker bars, man, that would have been a great idea. I would have told you that back then, that I should have got got to do a coffee shop or something.

But anyway, that's that's the heart of it. Though I do remember there being a comfort and walking around with a drink because if I suddenly feel awkward for not talking with anyone, for being on my own. Well, then this is the drink, this is what I'm doing. I can simply drink this. And I've heard people who who currently or having the past smoke cigarettes say the same thing about that, that if there's a you know, this sort of social anxiety of what am I doing here?

What should I be doing? The cigarette is an instant task, not only in something you can do with your hands as well in your mouth. And it's like, of course I'm not talking to somebody, I'm drinking this drink, I'm smoking this cigarette, etcetera. Isn't it funny that we have to come up with these little stories and we're not

even communicating them verbally to someone. We just have to take out a cigarette and and try to say in a way I'm doing something really, yeah, you're you're you know, filling out that scene in the the the linear experience

of time in that book, that is your life. Indeed, so this idea of losing ourselves in music, the zen of the prefrontal cortex, that's that's really the story here, because if you look at these periods of intense perceptual engagement, like being enraptured by music activity in the prefrontal cortex, which generally focuses on introspection, will shut down. And this was seen in research by Raphael Maloch and Ellen Goldberg

of the Wiseman Institute of Science. They designed this experiment that have participants looking at images and listening to music while undergoing f m R I and they found the activity in the self related prefrontal cortex with silence during intense sensory process. So in a cent you're shutting down

the default mode network with some very calming music. Yeah, and this works for both familiar music and unfamiliar music, right, because in the case of familiary music, you your prefrontal cortex really needs to rely more on the other parts of the brain for perception, for sensory perception, to try to figure out what it is. So your prefrontal cortex, the eye, the me, the the seat of judgment kind

of gets quiet. And if you are listening to familiar music that's pleasurable to you, well, then you're just getting caught up in that that sort of zen like moment of anticipating what's coming next in a pleasurable way. You are dipping into that stream of memory, and memory I think is just at the at the end of the day,

it's something that's hypnotizing. Yeah. So we've talked about the power of music that we know, music that has not become dull and uh and ordinary for us, but but is a is a journey that we can anticipate all the little curves in the road. We've talked about how

new music is super engaging. So I can't help but think about the power of both remixes and covers, as well as the use of known songs in a well crafted DJ mix, because then you get that that interesting blend of of the familiar with with these new changes, like what part of the song are they going to use, how are they going to adjust the tempo, what new spin are they putting on this particular cover of the song?

You know? Yeah, Actually, Um, there's a tribute album to Nick Drake that I was listening to and I can't remember that ortis who recorded Pink Moon, but it's beautiful And I never thought that I would ever say, like, oh, the Nick Drake original, it's can't be outdone, but it may have been. And yet those centers of pleasure because they're drawing on memory. Yeah, um, also memory that's connected to whatever happened the first time I, you know, listen

to that song. They're all engaged, and then you get the like, oh, I wonder how this phrasing is going to work out. It's not how I anticipated. Yeah, we were talking talking about the way that music alters our perception of time. It is crazy when you listen to a song that you haven't listened to in a very long time, and there really is this sense of time travel into the past because suddenly you're you're almost physically there again. Um. I think of a few different songs.

I think they were tory Amos songs that I listened to a lot in college and then I just kind of like really overdated on listening to tor Amos for long and then just stopped forever. But occasionally I'll hear one of those songs again, and it's kind of this uncanny feeling because suddenly I'm I'm kind of in my old skin again and this old and like the ghost of an old mindset, and it's, uh, it's it's almost

it's it's really kind of haunting, right. And then if you think about your brain actually, like you know, the chemical changes in your brain that are occurring, right then if that song is changing that moment for you in your perception of time. Yeah. So, given everything that we've talked about here, the way that songs can alter our perception of time, that they can make us travel into past experiences. Uh. Is there any music that is dangerous

to listen to? Yes? According to the Royal A Mobile Club Foundation for Motoring in two thousand and four, they deemed Wagner's A Ride of the Valkyrie also known as Snoopy in My House Snoopy song, Um, that being the most dangerous music to listen to while driving. I can see that, yeah, because it's got a very driving feel to it. I hear it, I instantly think of the helicopters swooping in an apocalypse. Now do do do that one? Right?

But this is the thing they say that it's not so much the distraction of the song, but the substitution of the frenzied tempo of the music that challenges driver's normal sense of speed and the objective que of the spedometer and causes them to speed, which makes me think, you know, maybe there are a couple of songs that I drive too fast. In fact, I know that I don't well what are they? Because I have a couple

as well. I don't know if I really want to admit it, but um, I kind of pops I love it, okay, yeah, and you're familiar with that. I don't think I am. I kind of pop is the name of the group, I guess, and the songs. I love it. It's just a really like techno rockets kind of You can play it really loud and just feel like you're speeding through time and space. In fact, I listened to it a lot when I'm working out, Um, what do you drive like?

A HELLI in too Well. I don't listen to these either these tracks much in the car anymore, but I do specifically remember driving too Fast because I was listening to either the theme song from Conan the Barbarian, which has a you know, bump bump bum bum bum bum bump, very driving kind of theme to it, and then also Led Zeppelin's Immigrant Song, which definitely has a very driving uh you know kind of oh yeah it does, and sense of mention just makes my would make my my

my foot just go down on the gas right. Because again visual and more motor cortex are all getting into this, and you do get this sense of movement. And another one is White Stripes seven Nation. You got to be careful with that one. I can imagine that that's that's

a great track and definitely has that driving feel to it. So, yes, there can be dangerous music in a sense, because again, music is a is a full body experience, so in a sense, it's it's kind of like a drug, and you've got to be careful how you mix a drug

and your experience of the physical world. You know, this just reminds me to you of this little factoid that during the Korean War, Um, they would the Americans would take out speakers and blast doors day music because apparently that was so jarring because it's so um it's so like anti you know, munitions coming at you, kind of music like fly Me to the Moon, so odd and so out of place that it would actually calm enemy fire. Interesting.

I never you can thought about the possibility of weaponized doors day tracks, right, I know we've the opposite, We've heard of things that would Yeah, but there you go. There's non dangerous music as well. Um. I would love to hear from you guys out there what your dangerous song is. Yeah, what's your dangerous song, what's your most calming song? What song bores you to death? Anything we touched on here, we'd love to hear your personal feedback

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