The Pentagon's Anti-Vax Program, Part One: The Great Game is Dirty

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Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my name is Noah.

They call me Ben. We're joined as always with our super producer Paul. Mission control decads. Most importantly, you are you. You are here. That makes this the stuff they don't want you to know. You know, thinking about this evening's exploration, gentlemen, we're kind of on a mission of preservation because we're talking about a story that might fall away from the headlights. It's no secret here in the US things have been kind of embarrassing. You know, there's a political circus, doesn't

That's right, the Pentagon ran a completely terrifying propaganda campaign that actually killed innocent people.

Well well, hey, now, hey, now hello, that's a it's a weird thing to say but it's true. But it's it is right.

It's like we don't know. We know that it is statistically likely, if but not certain to that point, not certain, that innocent people died as a direct result. It is overwhelmingly statistically likely that that is the case. It is also impossible to prove right in terms of naming deathle and individuals one by one. But the thing is, this propaganda campaign was not intended to kill people. The idea

What would you do for a Klondike bar?

Especially the Klondike bar was hegemony? Careful, fellow conspiracy realist, We're going into the deep water tonight. Here are the facts. All right, this might sound elementary, but I believe these statistics are still mind boggling to the four of us, right, and hopefully do you playing along at home? The US Department of Defense, by any conceivable metric, is huge. It's a kaiju. It's gargantuan. It is uh, just my invisible mel Brooks tie too.

Big to fail. Absolutely true, and I believe it was.

At one point the had the dubious the honorific of being the world's largest office building, which sounds like the dullest you know, accolade one could bestow. But even that's not true anymore because I think there's one in India now that that's bigger.

The Surat Diamond Borse took the prize in twenty twenty three up until from nineteen forty three up until last year, as we record, You're absolutely right, the Department of Defense was the world's largest office building. Such a is that one of the most boring Guinness World records.

I mean, you know, I think i've I've I've made my case or at least drawn my line in the sand there.

It is kind of weird. And most office buildings the people inside are making money for a corporation in the Pentagon, They are just spending it.

That's a great point.

But to the ultimate end, to your point, Ben, of that great klonduc bar in the sky or you know, the argument politically speaking rhetorically is they're protecting us. They're doing God's work in there, making sure that we as American citizens are safe from those who would do us harm.

Every powerful group I have ever interacted with, at least in my experience, has always said, or always maintained, the world is chaotic and evil and dangerous, and the only way for it to be safer is for someone to be in charge. And surprise, the people who say that always picture themselves as the person in charge or the entity. So this place, you know, we often hear news about the Pentagon, and when people are saying that, they're really

Or xerox as a stand in for photo copy, you know.

Similar, Yeah, like an epnonymous, apotymous trademark. It's so it's so stupid, cartoonishly big. It's like such an American idea. And I don't say that as an insult. It's seven story behemoth. It takes up more than six point six million square feet just of office space just to people walking around, as you said, Matt, spending a lot of taxpayer money. And it has a new stat I found it has sixty seven acres of just parking lots Wow, how still not enough? How long would that take just to.

Traverse by foot? It's a lot of football fields. I always find it interesting that the pentagon is in fact shaped like a pentagon, you know, and the idea that they're protecting us the pentacle or the pentagram you know, is often lumped in with being like an image of satanic demonic worship or whatever, but really, in WICCA and various other belief systems, it is a protective sigil.

Yeah, and this protective sigil has its human circulatory system is somewhere north of twenty six thousand people in that building on any given day, where there permanently on a long term basis, twenty three thousand military and civilian employees and then three thousand what they would call support personnel.

And that balance or at least in terms of like how you know, safe they are in their jobs could change if that program that we discussed in a recent episode goes through and no longer are there these long term bureaucratic positions that are you know, have stasis through

Yeah, yeah, probably just scary. I'm sorry, scary, Yeah, I agree. I mean, the Pentagon as an idea is both awe inspiring and terrifying. The DoD is an idea. This number, this twenty six thousand dish also doesn't count the many, many visitors who pass through on a daily basis, or

Well, and with the bureaucracy of that size and all of the secret programs various levels of classification, you have programs within programs and ones that certain personnel aren't even aware of, you know, up to the highest levels. So many like wheels within wheels taking place within this building.

Yeah, when you think about the combination of different military branches and operations that are kind of joint in nature, and then if you imagine like the spaghetti that is all of those special access programs that's been you need a seven story building that's you know.

Giant, right, and uh it is. It is, no fooling folks, And we checked right before we recorded this. Uh, the Department of Defense is the largest single employer in the world, which if we played with statistics, I guess technically that would mean that if you picked a random person right then they would most likely be working for the Department of Defense.

That's crazy. Now, that doesn't include like, if you are a member of let's say the Army, you are not a part of the Department of Defense. That's a whole separate thing.

Or there you're you're under it.

Yeah, wow, okay, okay, that makes sense.

It's weird. It's like it's like how f x X is part of FX, which is part of Fox.

Or HBO, Max Now Squared.

Oh my gosh, I still don't know I'm subscribed.

It is almost a parent company type flow chart situation in an interesting way. And so as the commander in chief is the president technically the big big boss over the DoD or.

Yeah, yeah, because DoD is, DoD coordinates. It's an executive department, so it's under the executive branch. It coordinates all the agencies and functions of the US government related to national security and the armed forces. That means over one point three four million active duty service members, and that also means almost a million, almost eight hundred thousand National Guard and reservists, and then seven hundred and forty seven something

Need we need a lot of tax dollars for all those salaries.

And I'm sure there's a ton of folks that work remotely as well, right like the Yeah.

Can you even imagine that outside of it?

I mean, you know, I'm trying to imagine the Department of Defenses work from home policies.

Yeah, I mean they're very well.

We did we did talk about how you know there they had to I guess loosen their regulations on drug policies because they couldn't get good enough hackers because they wanted to be able to stay home and drink their diet mountain dew and smoke their weed. So they had to to some degree compromise with that.

Mm. Yeah, I mean that that is That is a true story, folks, if you haven't heard it before. Most of the good hackers are kind of fig.

They're in that floating you know.

Yeah, yeah, they're microdosing for America.

I love dude.

That's a T shirt right there. Microdosing for America.

Officer. You have to look at the bigger picture here.

Uh so I'm not on drugs. I'm doing my page periodic duty. Yeah.

We could keep throwing around statistics like this all evening. We love bizarre statistics, but we're bringing all this up to establish one key point. The size of the Department of Defense or the Pentagon can be as much a weakness as it is a strength. With so many things happening all at once, everything everywhere, all at once, it is normalized and expected that not everyone will know what everyone else is doing. The right hand doesn't know the actions of the left in a very real sense here,

I mean that may happen from time to time, but it's usually a little more, you know, one of these subgroups kind of situation. You did mention that they're the largest employer.

In the world, right, Yes, that's it.

I didn't know that.

That is mind boggling. And to your point, Ben, seems a little more like a weakness than a strength. How much siloed stuff goes on and how you know, maybe it's just spy movies and stuff, but how so often this stuff seems to have the potential to go off the rails without oversight.

Yeah, we see this also, Not to pick on the DoD just yet, but we see this in any large organization. You know, there's an organization that has a unified goal. In the case of the Department of Defense. The goal is the projection of power to protect the United States and the interest of the US overall. But the issue is people disagree on how best to achieve that goal, and they don't always talk through their strategies. We work in a large media company, and you see similar things

Serious collateral damage, you know, no no question about it. And to your point, Ben, you know, the larger the organization, the more kind of broad the unilateral.

Sort of philosophy ends up being.

And then they're sort of within those subgroups we're talking about different you know, philosophies and ideologies, and sometimes they don't jibe with the big one, you know, it's it gets real crazy, real quick.

What a beautiful point. You know what I'm thinking of guys with that idea of like the larger the organization, the simpler and more vague the philosophy. Google, he'll be evil, he'll be evil, whatever that means to you.

And and and whether or not you think they've succeeded it, you know or not?

Right?

I think they ditched that one, didn't they They ditched that one.

It was a little too buzzy. It felt like it was making too much news.

I don't know.

Maybe maybe they did well. There's a world of difference, as we said, between not being and being good.

Oh my goodness, very good point.

Well tonight, as we set this up, we want everybody to travel into the past with us. It's twenty twenty. The COVID pandemic is still in full swing. Spoiler, it's still happening now. China and the United States are just as beefed up then as they are today, maybe even more so, because in twenty twenty, China is waging a heavy information war to deny the origin of COVID, and the US and China are going back and forth, trying to discredit one another, trying to curry favor with other nations.

Yeah, and this comes to us via Reuters, a very large investigation that they've been putting together for quite a while. Two journalists Chris Bing and Joel Scheckman s ch E C T M A N. They posted on June fourteenth of this year, just a bombshell that I think is rocking everybody. And they have been reaching out to the DoD according to them, So it's not like they took them by surprise when they wrote it or when they published it.

At least.

There are probably a lot of people in that Pentagon getting calls and they're going, guys, guys, guys, they know about the thing, which thing though the thing is a thing thing too?

What are we talking about a thing? Four?

I don't know four point they're read on to thing four.

Yes, we're screwed, evacuate.

This is a part of as Ben said right before we went to break, there a huge back and forth between China and the US about who made COVID, how did COVID get out, what's the origins of it, who is to blame basically, and then who has the answer to COVID? Right, So, this was a clandestine program by the United States military parts of the DoD to discredit China's vaccine that they were trying to roll out that was actually available to a wider public way before any of the US made vaccines.

Well, and to your point then about this seeming to not be top line news right now. Maybe that's because of all the election stuff or whatever, But I think we're all pretty keyed into this stuff, and I haven't really seen much of this back and forth at all.

We can get into it, but I think a lot of the back and forth ended up happening in these small ways, Like from the US side, it was often when then President d Trump would get up and make a statement.

China the China flu or.

The flu, calling it the China virus. At least according to a lot of sources was a move because there were there were disinformation campaigns aimed at the United States.

And think about historical pandemics like the Spanish flu, like that's what history ends up calling it.

There is at some point a war that get an information war that.

Gets waged, and at some point one of those things wins out and it doesn't just happen in a vacuum. So I think this is a really interesting case of seeing how that historical sausage is made. M hm.

The US just got caught running an anti vaccination campaign. Oh geez, yeah, whose idea in particular? This is, you know, while all the fauci stuff is going on, this is happening while they're telling everybody in America to get vaccinated. Oh, we'll get into it. It's spooky, spooky stuff. We don't know who, which particular individuals, not to sound too idiocracy about it, We don't know which particular individuals came up

Some of the disinformation we're flagging this, We're pulling this stuff from our platforms right as you.

Guys told us we should do that, and we shouldn't encourage the spread of aganda like this. And they said, I think the military fire back, and they were like, oh, yeah, totally, dog, We'll get you. And you know, thanks for you know, thanks for coming to us with it, you know, mono amano. And then they just did they they continued to do it.

Can can you imagine being one of the lower level employees at one of these social media companies looking at you like you're filtering through messages some of them are clearly anti vaccination campaigns that you've been warned against, just like they're saying you you try and track down these users. Basically, I guess you track down the users. I would think you would just block the user or nerve their account somehow. But they're tracking down these users and realizing, oh, hold on.

Hold up, well wouldn't they cover their tracks?

Though?

In a way right.

It would be harder for them to like peg it directly to a government account quote unquote, these are like lot accounts, right.

Yes, However, if you are, if you're working for the organization for the platform, get a little working for the Twitter, the Facebook, or the.

Little more analytics that I suppose.

It's a little there are breadcrumbs that you will have that the average civilian user does not possess. Uh, it's more difficult to hide the providence of things. But yeah, they came forward and they got ignored, just like a it's this old country anecdote. Right, the teacher tells a kid to stop chewing gum in class. You don't say no, you don't spit out the gum, and just say yes, and then keep doing what you are doing, to chew a.

Little less aggressively, right right, for a little bit, and then tell you back.

So Reuters, these two journalists, they interviewed dozens and dozens of US officials, contractors, social media oftens, professors. They also looked at social media post within depth analysis, they gained access to technical data like metadata you know, again, the bread crumbs, and they found documents that proved there was a bevy of fake social media accounts being used by the US military. We also know not everybody again to the model this point, not everybody's on board. The diplomatic

Let's go into just state. This is on Facebook, then it was called Twitter and Instagram. That's where this is largely occurring, and that's the that's the information they got, right, the metadata.

So if I were a user, how would these posts be showing up? Would it look like it was coming from an individual espousing an opinion? Would it be fake news articles that were reposted.

Like a combination, Like what would it look like to me?

It would look like a civilian user and you would and then maybe later a news agency. But the big differentiator in the beginning is that you would have been identified as Filipido.

Mm hmm, what I don't know, Well, this is occurring in the Philippines or on mostly in the Philippines, right on the servers that are there. Yeah, And the understanding that we have is that some of these accounts, while they would look like individuals because these are varied, they look like individuals, but they would have thousands, if not tens of thousands of like at least it would look like they have that many followers right.

Right, which helps them in the algorithm.

Exactly, So they're showing up in feeds the way if you're scrolling through now you're just getting random stuff sometimes.

Would they have to like click farm to get those followers? How are they legitimate followers? Are they getting a leg up from the platforms to like literally you know, fake falsify those numbers, Like I have so many questions.

I guarantee you they just use one of those services that was part of the budget to get accounts with several thousands.

Click click farming kind of stuff.

And then they had a budget argument where they said, why don't we start our own thing like this at home? And then someone said, or we could just buy that company. You know, these conversations happen.

Let's get a let's get a bought farm in the Philippines to get us a bunch of followers in the Philippines.

Exactly, Let's hide the hand. We don't want people to know that this originates in Tampa, Florida. That part's true.

God shout out to Tampa and maybe some of this stuff is you know, click baity type stuff. But I have seen video and images of what some of these, like Southeast Asia click farms look like, and it's literally individuals with fifty iPads or like fifty computers just like yeah, or on a rack, like a wooden rack, you know.

Is that accurate?

I think that's the way that that's the only way to do it, unless you're packing the system, so I think you have to kind of physically do it. Well, they're far more, I'm sure there are, but those do exist. Those are those do those are in fact, I would say the norm, uh, if you're a non state actor. But the the United States military apparatus is not perfect, but it's it's weirdly smart at something sour yeah, yeah,

Get it, y'all.

And once again, the more innocuous the name, the more nefarious the activities. It's just General Dynamics, you know, it's just general.

What kind of dynamics, you know, just like the general dynamics you know. And Reuters and also these journalists did such an awesome job. I can't say enough good stuff about them, and I hope if you guys are hearing this, you're staying safe. Reuter's got a lot of confirmation, and they got an official statement from the Pentagon, which doesn't always happen. They said, hey, what's going on with this?

Bad guys are like doing it. So therefore we got to get in the mud with the bad guys. I love that word malign because that is such a perspective, like that is so clearly the you know, a signifier of an agenda where it's like you're, yeah, these are this is the bad information that we are countering. But if you really dig down, is it you know what I mean? Or are we actually spreading misinformation. That's just as dangerous. But it's not about protecting our reputation, you know what I mean.

Look, man, there's no Department of Offense in here.

Okay mm hmm, Yeah, this is not the war you're looking for. Yeah, it's true. And there's also a little bit of like burned ex lover energy in this statement from the Pentagon because they had some tip for tat. The spokesperson also added that China is doing similar things well them too. They said, China is waging a quote disinformation campaign to falsely blame the United States for the spread of COVID nineteen.

But like it's.

Almost irrelevant where it came from, you know, at a certain point, and it becomes more about what did you do about it? And I think a lot of this is covering the butts of officials who maybe didn't take it seriously enough quickly enough, right, And then it's like about like pivoting the blame from that to well, you guys put it out there in the first place, and it was your fault. Therefore anything that we did after the fact is irrelevant. It just seems to be a

I would agree with disingenuous, you know, or like an enforced cherry picked perspective. But they do have very valid points because the fancy term for what's going on in this weird digital ping pong war is asymmetric information warfare. The street name for it is propaganda, very first episode stuff they don't want you to know. Ever, did the end result of this whatever you want to call it is again the deaths of innocent people. We cannot prove it,

The thought is that these disinformation posts led individuals to not take the vaccine, which we'll get into, a very specific vaccine from China, which then led either them or their loved ones to contract COVID nineteen, which then led to their death. So, just to spell it out there, it's not it's not folks from the DoD killing people. It is them using this asymmetrical warfare you're talking about to eventually kill people.

Yeah, it's mousetrappy. It's like Ruben Goldberg esk. That's why they weren't planning on killing people exactly. They just didn't really think that. They didn't think it through. It was an irrelevant thing.

Or they didn't care because there was a bigger picture at play.

Yeah, yeah, that's the point, you know, Like, look, it's not as though they would click on a link and then a stipe drone popped them in the back of the head. It wasn't that direct to your points there, Matt and Noll. Particularly, it's about motivation. We mentioned that this is we talked about a little bit on Strange News.

But we also need.

The hell out of them for so many aspects of our economy and our infrastructure and our you know, like supply chain and all of that. So it's always been this delicate dance and a lot of these sort of snipy, you know, spurned lover kind of vibes that you're talking about kind of have to happen underneath all of that, right.

Well, yeah, and in the end, it's all about who does the world look to when there's a crisis. Who is the figure that's going to come in and give you the solution to the big problem that your country is having or your people are facing.

Right, who is trustworthy enough that previous grievances could be set aside for one moment, right to solve a global problem together. That is a very powerful position to attain. And when throughout human history, when institutions attain that level of power, it'll hold it very long. There's a reason King of the Hill is a kid's game and an awesome cartoon.

Yeah, but they will grasp it as hard as they possibly can until the moment their hands slips off.

Then, would you say a good example of that, like in history, would be America intervening, You know, when the Nazis proved to be exactly as real and horrible as people thought, and then they jumped in and made a big show of where coming in here to save the world.

Up with the Up with the Financial Decisions of nineteen thirteen. The actions of the United States and privilege of its geography are the are the two biggest origin points in the story of this country becoming the number one superpower.

For a time.

But again, King of the Hill, there's always someone grasping, there's always someone pushing, right, And this is the larger context we're talking about. Uncle Sam way before the pandemic had been super beefed up about Chinese territorial claims in the South China Sea. If you look at the Chinese map of maritime borders and you look at the maps of any other country in the region, they don't agree at all. Other every other country in the area is like, pump your brakes, guys.

Yeah. And with that, we're going to take a quick break. Here, a word from the sponsors, and we'll be right back.

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Well, and hey, Ben, just out of curiosity, why would the Philippines be interested in those borders in the South China Sea? And why would the United States have such an interest in the Philippines interest in those borders? Wow, I feel like we just talked about this on another episode a little while ago, about the strategic interest the United States has specifically in the Philippines.

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Control control the rules of the game, right, the control the bounds of the playing field the US. If you look at the way US projects force in Eastern Asia for most of human history, it would make no sense, like why would a country so far away get give a tinkersdam? You know what I mean? Great expression, it's it's probably not a politically correct expression, but the very British Churchill would have said, I'm sure.

He did right.

But you know, there's a reason why it's such a that we have these common tropes in English, like the price of tea in China means something irrelevant, but this is very much relevant because to your point that the US has a heavy practice of attempting to contain the growth of China by partnering with other nations in the area South Korea, right, Japan, the Philippines establishing military footholds there so that they can have their own supply chains

The paces at large, presences of lots of personnel, lots of equipment, of several actually dozens and dozens of bases. We're talking a lot of strategic interest on on the ground.

So I think I understand that I just want to put this out there, maybe as a devil's advocate thing. There was another sort of rhetorical kind of or campaign where it was like we see you suffering, We've got your back. We're going to fast track this vaccine. We're gonna like make sure that the you know, the FDA allows this to go through so that we can get the most people, the most access as quickly as possible.

Both of these campaigns at the same time.

Different tentacles, differents, Like one technacle doesn't know the other ones doing that, but we do know that China was offering up its vaccine way before the United States was offering its vaccine.

Right, yeah, that is true, and that this goes this goes to this larger chess game. So you probably we've probably all heard the idea of carrot and stick negotiation. Right, You offer an incentive, right, you entice with one hand and you threaten punishment with the other. And China is very big, well, all states are very big on carrot and stick. For example, would be sure the stick, right, and the US actually has kind of a bad international reputation for leaning a little too hard on the stick.

Which is true for other remedies as well. You know a lot of times I mean big time, right, But.

In this case, it was a global pandemic and the US was basically doing get they were operating in some really bad pr areas and levels doing this kind of thing when their theoretically ideological rivals in China are doing the exact opposite. Oh, no, we can be the ones that will give you vaccines. We just need you to help us a little bit.

And the US said, we might be the world's police, but we're not the world's doctors. So good luck. And China comes in, you know, China swoops in. Let's keep going with the rom com thing. China swoops in and says, hey, that guy, what your guy's doing, Philippines, he's just not cool. You're in a toxic relationship. Let me help you. They called this, they said to the Philippines, they said, look, we are just going to give you the vaccines the

Oh you think so.

I don't usually think that, which is very interesting that you say that.

I mean, I usually.

Think that it sometimes makes me suspicious of what they're saying. But I usually do think that they are covering their butt and that they are speaking out of school because they have a moral a feeling of a moral obligation.

But maybe I'm being naive. I don't know.

I don't know if you're being naive. I think that's one way to look at it, and another way to look at it is exactly. I feel very similarly, Ben, where it's like it's.

A pr MOVI.

This is a special secret program and not that many people knew about it, and if somebody's speaking, it'd be easy to identify.

Them, right, That's the thing. It's a limited number of operators. It's kind of like it's kind of like when we see those hilarious laws coming out of Russia. Let's say, any Russian president, whomever that might be. This is just any Russian president in.

General could run for six consecutive terms if they wanted to.

Just again, a general dynamics any of them. Well.

So, the majority of those body accounts that we're talking about were created and deployed in the summer of twenty twenty and often featured a hashtag China ong virus.

What is the on, Ben, I don't think I'm what are they referring.

To Tagalag language in the Philippines, The translation is China is the virus.

So they're trying to really reach people where they live in that part of the world in terms of like let's start the campaign of hearts and minds here and then, and the hopes that it will spread and benefit us down the line.

Yes, because China stepping in being you know, at least the good guy for the people who want the vaccine, need the vaccine.

This is so tricksy. This is some freaking gullum ass stuff right here.

But this isn't the first time there were vaccine sphears right in the Philippines. There was a campaign previously that led up to a lot of the fears, and it's this campaign was just playing on the preview.

Saying certainly someone I said, oh, remember that other thing, let's jump on it.

Let's like we've already got a little knife to twist here, you know, right, that's the best way to do it. You take some you don't invent a new thing, and try to get people on board familiar identify a thing yes that is already familiar, and if it's not, if it's something people don't fully believe in, but they're familiar with it, then you have a much higher success rate as you simply radicalize those beliefs or extend them, right weaponize.

Though.

Gross, it's so edward, it's so marketing all of this stuff.

That's why I think it's so interesting that one of our earliest podcast episodes was about Edward Burnetz because he like took this kind of stuff and did it in the service of something sort of frivolous, like selling stuff. But it's a perfect look into this weaponization of psychology.

Yeah, he went from getting women to smoke and inventing bacon for breakfast to overthrowing Guatemala. He's got quite a career trajectory and it can't help. But Myra, there's one thing we can't miss before we move on. You're absolutely right, Noel. The majority of these body accounts in this as of yet unnamed operation were created and deployed in summer of twenty twenty. Yet some of these accounts were active for more than five years, like.

Dormed, like ready to be deployed, like sleeper accounts.

Almost Yeah, and they were playing on everybody's fears. Man, did we already talk about the pork yet?

That's what we should talk about now. They amplified concerns in the Islamic demographic of the.

Films, and it wasn't just aimed at the Philippines either. It was aimed at several other countries outside of Southeast Asia, specifically harping on that point that the vaccines from China contained pork gelatin, which would mean you cannot take these vaccines at all if you are Muslim.

Yeah. Here, there are plenty of examples. Yeah, it started in the Philippine. Well, it started in Tampa, Florida. Yeah, yes, it started in Pentagon. It started in Tampa, Florida, and then it went to the Philippines and later expanded through Eurasia and the Middle East, targeting largely Muslim populations, leveraging the already pre existing distrust amid the Muslims of the world for the Chinese government.

Wigers right due to their treatment of the week, absolutely abominable.

Treatment, but pretty much any country that was going to accept China's aid, basically China's help in this major global catastrophe.

Yeah, and here's an example. You can see a lot of these translated tweets in Scientific American and Reuters. But when the expanded to Eurasia, they were targeting Russian speaking Muslims or countries with Russian speaking Muslims, and you can you'll scroll down. It's like a cool little infographic that's disturbing. It shows someone who is a Chinese official handing out syringes to mainly women right wearing jab and then he's

It's like a political cartoon, like a really aggressive political cartoon, with the one that made people realize Boss Tweed was a bad guy, because they.

Just simplify visual.

You know, boom that is it is smart, smart, diabolical guys.

It's very close to South Park animation style.

Well, I haven't even seen it, but the way you're describing it that that's what makes that's what it makes me think of.

Yeah, it's again. You know. One of the easiest ways to hack communication and conversation with people is not necessarily to give them a caption, is they show them an image because different parts of the brain process it. This is the real Sith Lord's stuff, we're telling you folks.

Yeah.

But well, and that that image, I would argue, doesn't need a caption. If you look at that image, you are going to understand what it's trying to say.

Well, that's the point of infographics like that, so that it's for maximum intelligibility no matter what language you speak, you know.

And this campaign was, you know, as we said, it found fertile soil in the mind of many Muslim Filipinos and then people in the Filipino diaspora as well, And it was built on the back of the ghoulish accusations surrounding the treatment of the wigers. The campaign appears to have been successful because originally Filipinos were largely unwilling to trust China's vaccine Sinovak, and it first became available in the country in the Philippines March of twenty twenty one.

What was ours called? Do you guys even remember?

Was there? There was JJ, there was Maderna, Yeah, but those are the companies didn't have a clever name like Cinovak or was Sinevac the Chinese pharmaceutical company, like the actual.

Vaccine didn't have some clever name. I don't know.

I think Cinovac is it must be the pharmaceutical company out of China.

Maybe they just needed a snappier name for the American versions, you know what I mean.

I don't think they associated a name with it. It was there was the Maderna one.

They were like, they always just named it based on the company that was putting it out.

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