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Hello and welcome back to the show. My name is Noel.
Our colleague Matt is on Skibbity Adventure and will be returning soon. They call me Ben. We're joined as always with our super producer Paul mission controlled decands. Most importantly, you are you. You are here. That makes this the stuff they don't want you to know, Noel, it is one of our favorite evenings of the week.
It is bam. Sorry, I do have to say in the spirit of strange news which came before you mentioned Skibbitty, and I.
Did just want to point out what I thought was a.
Joke, strange news story, like a fake news story, was in fact true. Michael Bay is launching a cinematic intelevisial universe. I honestly, I mean I feel like I'm maybe more in the know than a lot of millennials. I thought
Skimmity Toilet was just like one viral video. It's apparently a whole universe of this, like unreal Engine kind of dated video game engine generated content of this dystopian kind of universe that has been memed of course and turned into like games on Roadblocks and all of these other platforms. And Michael Bay, of all people, is developing this into a whole world, and I think it's the end. Times are nine.
My friend, our buddies Jack and Miles over at the Daily Zeitgeist hipped me to that story, and I thought they were just riffing with each other in their typical dry humor. Also, skibbity is a thing Jack O'Brien made up. What do you mean, like parallel thinking made up? No, he completely manufactured the whole thing. No, yah, yeah he did. And gas lighting is also a thing he made up.
Oh that's what you're doing. See I get it. Okay, got it, Consider me, consider my consider my gas lit As the kids say, not even know if they say that anymore? What do the kids say? Let's talk to some kids in the form of listener mail.
All right, let's get into it, because we are going to hear some fantastic messages from our fellow conspiracy realists and Noel. There's an email that I think really spoke to both of us. I can't wait to I can't wait to hear this.
One on air. Well, I can't remember exactly which segment it took place, and espe we talk about a lot, but Matt, I believe brought a story about a true crime event, you know, I believe either a murder, that some amount of the detective work was leaning on a dream or something like that, or like some purported psychic abilities. And then we got into the whole discussion of like
is psych art psychic ability is real. It's in the original cold open of the video and the podcast, you know, from psychic powers to the paranormal, all of that good stuff. So it is kind of red meat for a show like this, But I was pretty surprised when I came out and said that I do think psychic phenomenon is real. And Matt was much more skeptical.
He's skeptical about the weirdest things, which is part of why. But also what a genius this guy, our colleague, Matt. We have new chumps in the squad. I was interested in this too, and I think a lot of us playing along at home felt called to the concept of esp and intuition. We know that in the past law enforcement has used the idea of psychic discovery as a way to get around, you know, certain legal restrictions. But also,
you know, my family's past. Man, I come from a place where people genuinely do believe that they practice psychic powers. And to your earlier point, we have spent years exploring the line between intuition and esp.
Yeah, and not to you know, delay the message too much longer. But what also came up in that discussion, you know, around Matt's story was an interview we did with Russell targ years ago, who has a book called Third Eye Spies about a literal program the CIA had of this guy helped design very smart dude from MIT to supposedly help train psychic spies, you know, to be able to astrally project to locations where victims are being held or kidnapping or murder you know, evidence or bodies
or what have you. And talking to him really turned a corner from me because this is like a really learned individual who really straddles the kind of line between science and the supernatural. And I'm pretty sure that this has been discussed outside of our crew, but dude clearly seemed to be the inspiration for Egon Spangler in the Ghostbusters because I think you know. Ghostbusters, of course a
comedy movie with some horror elements. It is a very interesting exploration of that line between science and the occult and supernatural stuff. So now moving on to the letter from one of my favorite nicknames of recent memory, our borious master of plants. Yes, is very elden ring or something like. I don't know exactly what it is, but it has a great mouthfeel to it. And here we go, ohy gents, our bore is here master of plants. I inserted that regarding the woman whose dream led the police
to the murder victim. My thinking on such matters is as follows. I fully believe in phenomena like prescient dreams, but I don't think there's anything supernatural involved our subcon Yeah, and she does. Our subconscious minds are orders of magnitude all caps more powerful than we realize, constantly compelling and connecting thousands of data points in ways we couldn't possibly
imagine or accept. I like the computer analogy, our subconscious minds processors aren't down with piloting our meat machines, which is like an industrial band name for the ages instead running in the background performing millions of tiny calculations we know nothing about. When something comes together, it makes sense that it would be presented via a subconscious process like dreaming.
So that woman subconsciously absorbed thousands of tiny clues from people and situations around her, which eventually added up to the location of the bodies. Mannerism smells tiny visuals nearby people's conversations she wasn't listening to. Who knows, But how many times have you heard stories like I dreamed of someone I hadn't seen in years and randomly ran into
them the next day. The majority of people, if they're honest, would probably tell you they've had similar experiences, And I think a lot of that comes down to the power of the subconscious mind. Something to think about when you can spare the bandwidth. Thanks Jens, I hope you know that what you do has a real impact on people's lives and mental states. That's very positive, even when you're
talking about frightening things. I don't know how you manage that exactly, but keep it up, Arboreous Master of plants, Ben, I mean not to be redundant. We've certainly talked about various aspects of this, you know, over the many years we've been doing the show, but a couple of things stand out. I think Arboreus laid it out beautifully in terms of like what is the line between psychic abilities and intuition? I recently, I think we both did. We may be going to see it together for a second time.
Saw the horror movie Long Legs, and there's a character who's an FBI agent who has these intuitions or these these premonitions, with the line where her boss is like, well, being half psychics better than nothing, and then said, how about we just call it? How about how about we just call you highly intuitive? And she she says that's fair. And I think that's really interesting. But I also know that we have problems sometimes in court cases with eyewitness accounts.
So how do these things that up, Like if we're it all depends on the person, doesn't it? Like we all of us have these subconscious things that we're picking up on. Some people are just better at interpreting the data accurately with others because we know all of these things can also add up to stories we tell ourselves to complete fabrications.
Right, Yeah, I think that's a vary, astute, observational, and our boy is want to thank you in specific for, as we said, laying this out in such a perfect way. We don't want to be redundant. This is important. If you are looking for a book to teach you more about intuition, please please please read The Gift of Fear by Gavin de Becker. We've mentioned it in the past. It came out in nineteen ninety seven, so I guess
it's relatively new in the grand scheme. But the idea here is this guy de Becker looked through the notion of intuition, the idea that you have a hunch, like Noel, for instance, have you ever met someone and had a really good or really bad vibe off them that you couldn't explain consciously?
Bro Vibes are currency, my friend. I mean seriously, like, if you can't, if you don't have the ability to kind of discern that from somebody, then you're gonna be left in the dust a lot of times, or it's gonna be a lot easier people to take advantage of you, because I mean, if you don't kind of get a general sense of someone's authenticity, you know, from the moment you kind of meet them, then that things might not go super well for you, you know, in terms of
you know, the ability for people to deceive you. Right.
Yeah, And this sensitivity, this sensitivity is no less magical when we understand it, right, It's still brilliant stuff. A lot of these unconscious cues you're describing a boreas are part of the daily interaction of humans with their environment and with other life forms. One thing that may be of particular interest to a lot of us listening tonight
would be the concept of spell. You have vestigial pheromone receptors in your body if you are human, and sometimes that can explain why you do or do not vibe with another person. You can learn more about the use of intuition as seen through the framework of psychic powers in excellent documentaries like Vibes starring Jeff Goldbloom and Cyndi Laverer.
It is a fabulous work of investigative journalism. Yeah, no, it's good. But seriously, though, I mean, when I say vibes are currency, I think I was. I was saying that coming from a lot of the coverage around the political climate or the race right now and how people were saying that JD jb Vance just has like no riz and just his vibes aire is instantly like trash. And we are playing a ViBe's game, a vibes based game where if someone comes off as insincere, immediately you're
like not in their corner. And the thing is, you can be really good at feigning sincerity as well. And like tricking people's vibe sensors, you know, that is also a thing, but in general, if someone's just really ham fisted at it, it's gonna trip people's spidy senses in that way. And I love that you mentioned the smell angle because we often talk too about like what our equipment is as human beings, and like, you know, dogs, there's always the old trope in the movies when the
bad guy comes into the house and the dog. The victim is clueless about his intention, but the dog knows what's up. And you know, while dogs maybe can't speak to us, it's very clear that they have equipment more finely tuned that are picking up. We even talked about spectrum, like the visual spectrum where they can maybe even see other dimensions or something like that, right, like and the idea of a color spectrum and things that transcend you know, this physical plane, I guess.
Or at least the things that the humans can observe, right, infrared light, for instance, that's that's what Yeah, sorry, thank you Ben. No, no, it's perfect. There's also Look, what this teaches us is that if we are thinking critically about the concept of hunches or intuition or psychic powers, whatever you want to call it, we do know that the information the human brain thinks about, like the metacognition when you think about why do I like or not like a person that is coming to you in an
incredibly digested, preanalyzed form from your subconscious. Your subconscious, the part of your brain that you don't really speak to, it is continually evaluating innumerable variables and factors. You might think, for instance, oh, this person's energy is really clicking with me, and you have to walk uphill cognitively to figure out why you have made that assumption. You are processing information that another part of you has delivered to you, sort of wrapped up and assembled.
You know, it's almost like a packet of data, like a data stream coming into a computer over a network. It's all about like parsing it out and like separating the noise from like the actual good packets.
Yeah, exactly. So the concept of dreams is fascinating as well, because one of the best technological comparisons would be defragging a hard drive. That's what the human brain does when it sleeps, right, yes, ondred percent.
But there are like different, I guess schools of thought behind that, even where it's like do dreams mean anything? You know, there's like Freudian thought or whatever, and that kind of you know, philosophy I guess behind it. I mean, there's a science to it, I suppose, but it is all kind of like theory, you know, like is it
really your subconscious delivering important stuff to you? Or is it just kind of nonsense, fragmented gobbledegook, you know, Like I had a dream last night that I went on a laundry stealing caper, like I robbed a lotmat of other people's clothes with the cast of all that the nineteen nineties children's sketch show, and then we ended up going on a rampage and being chased by the police through like this suburban neighborhood and like some Northwestern kind
of like place, and then I was arrested by a police officer who was played by Oh gosh, who's the guy that was the ladies man on SNL.
Oh No, that guy.
Yeah, and he I had a bag of weed on me and he said I was in a part of New York where that wasn't legal and he took it. And then but then one of the guys from all that, Danny Tamberelli, Little Pete from Pete and Pete, he said, no, that's mine, it wasn't his. Oh, and he got me off with Tim Meadows. Yeah. But it's like, what is that? What is that possibly trying to tell me? If it's anything or is that just the product of a maybe not rested enough mind.
It's it's telling us.
Uh.
You know, the defrat argument is interesting, and I agree with you, aarborious master of plants, that the subconscious mind is doing a lot of work behind the scenes. Right. So when we're always very careful when we wrestle with the concept of psychic abilities, right because it gets a bad rap. There are a lot of hoaxters out.
There taking advantage of people cold readers on those TV shows, or they're trying to speak to people's deceased relatives, and it's all full flammed and absolutely taking advantage of people's emotions.
Yes, exactly, leveraging those weaponizing them even But here's here's the thing, and we're when we say this what you're going to hear next, we know it's going to speak to a lot of us at home right now, personally. People who genuinely experience what we could call strong intuition if we're being diplomatic. Those people are not going to be your Madam Bell's. Those people are not going to do any kind of call in line or publish a book that they want you to buy or make you
pay to talk to them. Those people are typically, and this is just my experience, they're typically going to have a number of discreete moments that are inexplicable to them, epiphanies, revelations.
They might not even know what their abilities are. They might have explained them away, or like live their whole life feeling as so it's a burden or some kind of curse, you know.
Yeah, they wake up and they decide they shouldn't get on the plane right or they find themselves for some reason unable perhaps to leave their home to go to their job, and then later there's a massive car accident or an explosion. Now, how do we explain this? I can tell you that in most cases of which I am aware, most cases that I can prove of intuition, people are very afraid of being ridiculed or being seen
as a wing nut. So there is a huge burden of trust that has to exist for someone to tell you, Hey, I have information about a thing that might apply to you, and I am trusting you to not tell other people. But just so you know, you know, even small stuff. I was recently, this is big in my family. Like I recently, I've got some friends moving out to Los Angeles and I had to tell them that the second house they look at is bad. Okay, I'm serious, you know, And it's weird to say that on air.
So would you call that intuition or would you call that like something extra?
Well, I just know the second house is a bad one.
Man. Okay. That reminds me that, I mean, that reminds me. There's a scene again, there's no I'm not I don't want to spoil anything, but there is a scene in Long Legs where a character that knows something about a house without having the right to know it, you know, without having necessarily received any intel or any like, you know, actionable data or evidence. It's just a feeling. Oh, I know what I was gonna say too. Is a lot
of times. That's why in movies you always see the person like, but you gotta listen to me, you gotta listen to me. They're gonna the building's gonna blow up. Nobody believes them, and they look like a crazy person until the thing happens, you know.
Right, yeah, just like you said, uh and before we before he pause and move on. But one thing that's very important that you just brought up NOL is the idea of known unknowns and unknown unknowns. Not to sound too much like a certain politician, but the concept here is. Look, if you ground a plane because you know the plane will crash, and the plane therefore does not crash because you kept it on the ground, you are in a
lose lose situation. Right, You've saved lives, but you look like a crazy person because you can't prove the plane would have crashed.
Wow, And if the final Destination franchise has anything to be believed, you know death's coming for you. In an elaborate Rube Goldberg fashion sooner or later? So is it really just kind of like delaying the inevitable? Now I'm joking, but I think all of this stuff is absolutely you know, food for thought. Let's take a quick break. Thank you Rborius by the way for having both a delightful nickname
and a great email for us to discuss. We're going to be right back with some more listener mail, and.
We have returned. We're going to go to the phone lines here. This is a nice follow up to our earlier conversation. Joe asked a question that I would love your opinion on.
Here we go.
Hey, guys, it's Joe here from you know we should rather not say. Was just listening to that by episode and was also watching the documentary and the thought came to me, the CIA is declassifying all these documents and allowing people to have this knowledge of remote viewing and the like of psychic abilities. Don't you think they have some preventative measures for that already in place? So if the general public was to achieve set abilities, they have
the proper protection. I don't know, it seems like they wouldn't just let us know that without you know, having some proper caution. I don't know. It's something to think about. Love you guys, keep it up. You know my name and this message and whatever you need to Thanks guys, all right.
I knew this would be of interest to you, but absolutely, I mean it's it's perfect counterpoint to to what we just were talking about.
And I think the Russell Target interview comes up yet again because we know the CIA had a program to train spies that was declassified or whatever led Target to be able to talk about it, but of course they would have to have countermeasures, you know. And we also know that there are other countries that also have secret spy type programs or I'm sorry, psychic spy type program right.
Right right, most particularly the ussr UH and during the Cold War. This first off, Joe, what a fantastic question. The idea of counter measures against weaponized esp as we established earlier, we could we could use esp and intuition as synonyms right in practice, So is there a way to to protect against the weaponization of enemy intuition? What a weird sentence to say, you know, uh, this run you know what this reminds me of not just not just Targ Russell, Targ who is a super cool guy.
But it also reminds me of our earlier episode on the concept of timfoil.
Hats sure protecting our you know, shielding us from potential infiltration, like directly into our our minds, and God, man, give me not to to derail too far from us. But it makes me think too of like all of the implant technology that is now kind of becoming much more of a reality, and the idea of like our brains being able to literally be hacked. So that's not exactly esp but it's almost more terrifying and very real. So whatever your your thoughts on extrasensory perception and you know,
psychic powers might be. But I don't know, Ben, do we have any evidence of any counter intelligence programs designed to protect against these sorts of things or is it more just sort of like space race type stuff where we have to like, you know, keep up with the John with the you know, what's a good Russian name?
Uh, the the politically incorrect version would be keep up with the Ivans. There you go, is how they would have said it in World War Two and the Cold War. Look, we know there was provably some I would say dabbling in this idea of protecting protecting the information in an asset's mind. Uh, and this doesn't quite reach the level of like, okay, So what what Joe was asking about,
basically is the Magneto helmet. If you're a fan of comic books, if you're if you're a Marvel nerd, then you know that the reason Magneto wears his special helmet is because it prevents telepaths from being able to mess with his mind. Right exactly, yeah, right, So it's.
The idea is to have control of a mind that powerful, that already contains, you know, that has the ability to literally make anybody do anything, that would be you know, tantamount to handing over the launch codes to the naming.
And I love that you're saying that because in this story, both or in the lore, both Charles Xavier and Eric Lyncher Magneto, they are both essentially walking weapons of mass destruction, right, and controlling that kind of mind could lead to catastrophic existential threats. So what we do see, or what we did see at least during the Cold War, was early research that I don't know, it was kind of spaghetti
at the wall stuff. Early research in the Soviet era about the concept of using certain materials to build like a psychic Faraday cage. You know, so if Faraday cage is a real thing, it will prevent certain types of energy from penetrating a barrier. So back in earlier evenings, the Soviet government did fund research into not just the concept of astro projection. Here in the US, we had Stargate project, we had Project Start.
Yeah.
Absolutely. At the same time the Soviets were conducting this kind of research, they were also working to figure out how to defend against this kind of thing. Now, for a lot of us more skeptical folks in the crowd, this all sounds very woo woo, you know, made up stuff.
Well, because to build a device like this would kind of require a much clearer understanding of how these things work. Then, I would argue any and scientific I mean, the scientific community barely acknowledges that this stuff exists. So how would you like use science to build something to protect against something that scientists don't believe is real? I don't know.
Yeah, that's a great point. Also, further, if we're just being hard nosed about this, why would you evolve a countermeasure in addition to countermeasures that you already know work. For instance, why would you use polonium on someone who lives on the third story of a building with some really nice windows.
Yeah, you don't bring polonium to a window fight. Never do it, that's true, that's aol and no promise we won't bring polonium to the window fight.
But but you see what I'm saying, Like the question here.
Path of least, there's a there's a path of less resistance at the very least, right.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. The acronym that is very popular here in the West is kiss keep it simple, stupid, So we don't want complicated Rube Goldberg esque attempts at solving something. If there was and this has not been proven, but if there was, if we're just freestyling, if there was some sort of weaponized psychic ability, then the immediate move would be to contain it, and if someone else controls it,
to eradicate. And if you're eradicating it, then you're not going to make some kind of fancy you know, what's that Stranger Things solution to it type device or what right, You're just going to neutralize them with full prejudice.
Yeah, and then you know, an asset like that would be as accessible for that type of of let's call it operation as any other political figure would be, you know, in terms of protection, in terms of isolation, siloing or all of that good stuff. And I guess what we're talking about here too is maybe because you know, obviously regular old run of the mill ESP would be dangerous in terms of the ability to extract intelligence, to distract
you know, as a surveillance right. But I think what we also might be talking about is going a little further into like hardcore telekinesis stabilities you know, to like use like Professor X could or magneto it could literally lift a building off the ground and smash it into you know, another building, or like use powers of their mind to act as weapons in and of themselves. So
that to me maybe would be I don't know. The fairy day cage part is interesting because we certainly have facilities that like you know, clean rooms and such and like things that are like so like isolated, and they would be trouble by normal surveillance mechanisms. So I don't know, it's again today's kind of thought experiment day. Yeah, well it kind of always is, but more so than usual. Even in the episode that we just recorded, which will be coming out next week.
I believe time is so weird.
It is weird, especially when we do things kind of in reverse because we're recording this listener mail a day later than we normally do.
Peak behind the curtain also before we move on, because I know we got to get to an ad break and I have something I'm very excited.
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At that right, you know, and then you'd never be able to trace it back to anything you want talking about. Or maybe we I think we did an intro to a classic Ridiculous History episode about arsenic the idea of like you know, at the time, it was the perfect weapon because it was odorless, colorless, and utterly untraceable, at least at the with the technology of the time. But you I didn't even think about that. Then it wouldn't be like like the boys, you know, exploding someone ahead.
It would be like something where you would never know what had happened, cause it just or just causing someone's heart to stop.
Right, That's that's the dream, right, That's why, uh, that's why the British loved the what they call it inheritance powder. That's a good that that's part of it. And if there is an ability to delve into someone's mind, like use telepathy to extract information. Again, if something like that existed, then that would mean there was some sort of interchange
of energy and information between those two brains. If that would be the case, then there would logically be a way to interfere with that passage, right with that process of back and forth. None of this is proven to exist.
To there's no evidence of any of this in like what we've seen work in terms of history. Like it's just again to keep it simple, stupid, like the Russians are using bots and like internet you know, tactics to quote unquote rig elections or to like change public perception they're using. You know, AI is more of concern to me than psychic abilities. You know, we need to figure out how to guard against that stuff. Work behind the ape on that.
Yeah, because a lot of the things that we're considered to be supernatural or psychic are now being created via technology. They're the modeling systems that are capable of predicting behavior, get very close to foretelling the future. These same systems can be applied and are being applied to human beings to predict your own behavior. Because every person is their own country, right, we can model this stuff in that case.
And I love that you bring this up. In that case, Joe, the preventative measure for weaponized esp on the ground, in a microcosm like in your life right now, the preventative measure is not to participate online.
Yeah, that's a good point. Yeah, I mean the Internet is its own kind of weird oracle, and especially once you start figuring the AI in, because it all comes down to again, the psychology of the intuition question we were talking about earlier, Like, all this stuff is out there and again and I came out, you know, as believing to some degree in some form of extrasensory perception beyond just intuition. I don't know what it is, just like I say, I don't necessarily believe in a Christian God,
but I don't believe in nothing. I just don't know what to call it. And I'm holding out hope that there is something out there beyond you know, what we know in the universe and in the afterlife and what have you. But I just don't know what to call it. And I feel the very same way about this kind of stuff. But I think our kind of coming full circle around to it, to AI and technology and the Internet being its own like exponentially dangerous form of this kind of stuff is absolutely accurate.
And as as any student of the human condition understand, people don't know most things. Human civilization overall does not know most stuff, and that is a fact that needs to be acknowledged and addressed. Speaking of things we don't know, we're going to pause for a word from our sponsor. We're going to return with a letter from home, which is Noel spoiler, it's a weird one. I'm very interested in your thoughts, very interested in everybody else's thoughts. And
we've returned. Okay, so this is a little bit different. It's a conversation I've been having over or a series of months now with various experts in various fields, veterans, biologists, oceanographers as well. Riddle me this, what is the most dangerous large non human animal? We're building a leader board and we're sept to be cleangerious.
I mean, shark. Trump won't stop talking about sharks.
Well, I think he saw one or something.
What is he saying? I have I've been hearing chatter about him talking about great white sharks, But what exactly is the thing that he keeps saying about sharks?
Oh, he's amazed by them, you know how like when you see a kid have their first day at the zoo and they just won't shut up about pandas or whatever.
Trump just found out about sharks.
He said he would prefer to be electrocuted instead of eaten by a shark.
Why are the where does that equivalency come from?
Like?
How are those the two things you're weighing?
We who are we to judge? We do a lot of thought experiments here. That's true, fair enough, but he said in a speech in Grand Rapids, Michigan recently, he said, if I'm in a boat and it's all electric and it starts to sink, I asked the guy, do you get electrocuted sitting over this? And then I say, and I don't think there's anything wrong with this, because it's an analogy. If there's a shark about ten yards away, do I get electrocuted? Or do I go with the shark?
I would told shark battery conundrum real? What is it a kobayashima room?
There is no question for the ages.
Yeah, I think you can probably escape that. I don't think the battery would electrify the entire ocean or whatever. Like, I think you irrelevant. Agreed, though, shark's equal scary and they will eat your ass.
Shark attacks are such a it's like the old John mulaney joke about quicksand quicksand is way less of a threat in your adult life than it seems when you're a k and sharks are an easily avoidable threat.
Uh.
You earlier asked me in a previous I think it was strange news or maybe an episode. We're talking about this. You straight up asked me whether you thought whether I was confident that I can fight a shark.
Yeah, PvP is the term we've been using TVP Yes, yeah, you think, yeah, And we didn't have an Australian listener right in with incredulity about your ability to do so with a kangaroo.
Yeah, look, folks, I understand the skepticism, but youet thumbs, you got agility. Kangaroos are forward moving threats that make sideways. They can do you know, they could do stuff if they were, but they're not boxers.
I don't know.
I don't want to hurt one. I just think it's.
You're gonna have to get your hands dirty if you're in the ring.
You can't just bob And I'm just saying if you're in a situation.
But I believe your point about the shark was it would you mean a little bit of a handicap? I need to not be fully immersed right.
Right, right right, So we in this discourse, so we want to hear from you, folks. We differentiated on our leader boards between maritime animals and surface animals. So nol. The question on everybody's mind right now is to you you in particular, sir, what is one of the most dangerous surface animals? Well, it's the human being then, I mean not non human, non human.
The most dangerous game. I don't know. Bears are pretty gnarly. Yeah, they'll they'll there, they'll rip you up.
I never believed that Daily cropic story.
Yeah, oh what what was the Davy croc?
Oh? Yeah, he killed a bar with.
Threes? I don't know. I hes some when he was only three, which that's definitely three year olds. Have you seen them? They're useless, they can't do it.
Wow, hot takes uh Yeah, but you know, like I've been talking about this on Instagram, Twitter, various social media platforms, hanging out with people because I'm fun at parties obviously, and one of the questions that came up was about you man. People were asking me which bird Noel thinks is the most dangerous surface animal. They just assumed that it would be about They assumed that you would go bird, Well, I.
Wouldn't know, And now that's it's the most terrifying to me personally. It would be the casuary, you know, the velociraptor esque dinosaur remnant, you know, walks on two legs and will disembalue you with its long you know, razor sharp who wouldn't be scared of nothing. But well, the Internet says that it's the hippopotamus.
Well, the hippo has the highest kill count, but the hippo is also extremely stupid.
Yeah, and they're not. They're they're also I don't know, maybe I guess are we talking about most likely encounter you know you definitely, yeah, killing five hundred people a year in Africa. I guess it's because they're just aggressive and they just tend to get freaked out really easily and kind of like just you know.
They have poor eyesight. Oh yeah, and they're real they're real chonkers. It's similar to the problem of the rhinoceros, but the hippo is more dangerous. Uh. The the way we were thinking about the leaderboard is the idea of which animal could whip every other animal. So like, could a tiger fight a hippo, for example, a Siberian tiger would it?
No, it would, yeah, I would, it would eat it. I think it would.
I mean hippos are aren't aren't They picked off? Usually like because they're so stupid in their eyesight's so bad, like guard hippos often you know, killed by other predatory and they're chonkers.
Though, is the thing like, uh, gators won't or crocodiles right, large reptiles don't usually mess with the hippo.
They're just too formidable, just too really. Dogs with rabies kill fifty nine thousand people per year. Wow, just from BBC Science Focused. I don't think this is bullshit. Snakes one hundred and thirty eight thousand humans a year. This is you know, because again we're talking about much broader categories of animal now rather than just like a particular type you know, hippo right right, Yeah, Snakes is number
three according to this list. Mosquitoes we forgot about mosquitoes. Well, they're not large disease Okay, they.
Have a huge like they have a huge skill count in that they are the one of the most most murderous life forms toward humans.
Humans is number two though, four hundred thousand deaths per year.
Get it together, guys.
Number one as one hundred and thirty eight thousand dogs with rabies not large, I guess medium size fifty nine k a year. Something called assassin bugs gozas bugs spread. They're primary spreaders of the deadly chagas disease. It's a
bloodsucking predator and found in Central and South America. The Choggas disease potentially fatal and is transmitted through an assassin bug bite or by consumption of cold food or drink that has been infected by the incense insect and or its feces, which carries the protozoan trippan tripanosoma cruisy also known as T cruzy. It's ta cruisy less scary sounding. Scorpions are a big killer. Crocodiles a thousand. I think those are what are we talking when we say large though?
Do we have a threshold for that? I think we need a little bit more data around the data points.
Yeah, this is great. This is where we need help from our fellow conspiracy realist. Also, quick point of correction, hippos do use their eyesight. Rhinos are the ones that are tragically near sighted. Hippos aren't intelligent. Just to be clear, they're not very smart, but they primarily use their hearing when they're underwater and when they get out of the water, they're looking around like where's the watermelon? Or who do I bite? At this point, I love your question about
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