EP 246 The Evolution of Leadership: A Conversation with Steve Wright

And welcome to another episode of podcast. I am your host, w I z e. I'm sorry for the late start. It it happens. But I'm excited. My next guest, we've actually become friends in the past few months. I was a guest on his show. I'm a part of his community. He's, he's a wonderful person. I'm always checking him out on LinkedIn. He he has some amazing content. I'm excited to have him on. So as soon as I got the opportunity to bring him on, I I sent him the

link and and got him to sign up, and sign up. So so let's just bring him up to the stage, my my friend, Steve Wright. Well, it's so it's such a pleasure to be here, Flo. And, yeah, like you said, we met through our various connections, and I felt like we became fast friends, man. There's people that you meet, and there's a connection, there's a vibration, there's an energy, there's a synergy that says this person's gonna be around for you know, they're gonna they're gonna they're

gonna have an impact. And, you're one of those people, so I appreciate you having me here. Oh, I appreciate you being a guest, man. This is like I said, I I've been a guest on your show. I had a I had a great time. Oh. It's amazing that just recently, the connections I've I've been making, even some people that I've I've met through you as well as, the empowerment network and all that. These connections are, like, amazing. Just the people that you get to speak to and communicate with that,

like you said, it's a synergy. The energy you feel from them, and and you just know that you can actually build some some connections and and networks and and something that's that's gonna last, something that the relationships that you know are gonna last, that people who who have similar mindsets as as you do and and and have some ideas of what they wanna do in their life and everything. And, like you said, yes, my my goal is to make an impact. Yeah. This this is why I'm here.

I'm here to make an impact and and touch people's lives and and connecting with you and trying to build my brand across across the pond and connecting with you and and building a relationship with you. The same thing is it's just it's an amazing opportunity. Yeah. Yeah. And, yeah, I like the term across the pond. I mean, I'd spent a lot of my a good chunk of my working career in the States. I was based out of California, San Diego, for 15 or so years. So I'm natively from the UK, from

London, and grew up and raised here. And then as a young man, or mid young man, I came out to the States, met amazing people that opened opened doors and opportunities to live and work in America, and and I took those and brought my family across the pond. And visa situations being what they are, you know, we had, we went to and foe for a little while, and the winds brought me back to the UK. And I'm happy, I'm loving it

here. And, but like you said, it's There's people, the way we communicate, even this platform, it has no boundaries. You know? So Yeah. That's the beauty of it. We can we can establish those connections. When we feel them, we can bring them across the across the ether and across the the wires, and people can can reach out and connect.

And No. And and and that's one thing that's definitely, when we talk about 2020 and and the impact it's had on the world, it's really as far as what we're doing, creating content, the digital market space, all this, it's really expanded and given given opportunities for for regular people to come out here and make an impact. Mhmm. Like, this is not something that I was I was not I I had thought about starting a podcast, but it wasn't something that that was, like, what I wanted to do. But once I

started doing it, it was like, oh, man. This is this is this is amazing. This is this is great. I get to to vent and and talk about how I feel and and what's going on in the world and and let people inside my world and just see show them, hey. I'm a regular guy just like everyone else. And but I'm here to to Yeah. Share their stories and and, and make an

impact. And Yeah. And we've it's it's fun it's funny because we've we've built a a a, like you said, a quick relationship, and it's it's like you're always you're always doing content on LinkedIn, and I'm always showing up and listening, and you're always inviting me up. And I some and I just sometimes, I just come to listen and learn. Like I hear you. You know what? And like you said, it's I like I love your I love

your backstory. You shared just how how much podcasting has impacted you and given you a platform to make an impact with others. And that story really resonated with with me. When we met, I think I was probably in episode 10 no. Maybe maybe 10 or 12 in my podcast journey, and I had grand all these great aspirations of being one of those awesome podcasters that you see on on YouTube and all these platforms. And you

got amazing, you know, infrastructure. You're like Steven Bartlett or you're like, you know, Joe Rogan, and you got all these these big names with these fantastic guests. And

it's a lonely it can be a very lonely experience just getting yourself ready to talk. And a lot of my first episodes were just me and Yeah. Being, being okay with that. And and, you know, now I'm I'm a little bit further ahead. I'm not as far as you, but certainly, I know when we met, you were an inspiration to me, making it such that it's important to know why you're doing something before you do it, and your why is going to sustain you. And that was really what

came across when you shared. And, you know, we've taught some of, you know, some of the tech stuff and, you know, how to get things out out the door and some of the production stuff, and that's really been helpful. But just knowing that you're on that journey ahead of me is a great influence and a great support. So thank you. Oh, and and from and when like, since we've met, I've I've always said, if you have any questions, you can

always ask me. Any anyone anybody that I see that is serious about podcasting and wanting to learn, I I love to share my knowledge. It it's that that that's what it's here for is for me to be able to share it. I'm hopefully, people can get from it and and learn, and and it could help them sooner than it did. Like, I'm trying to help people avoid the pitfalls that I I've gone through and and the stuff that I've had to experience.

So it's it's my my my mission to really just be able to help as many people as possible. Mhmm. Mhmm. I I like I like that. You know, sometimes we're only 2 or 3 steps ahead of the people that are following. Yeah. And maybe that's sometimes just enough to let them know, hey, there's a hole there, or, hey, there's a big stone there, or, hey, watch out for that branch. Yeah. And you don't need to be miles ahead because sometimes you could be too far ahead to help anybody.

And I think we have similar journeys, and everyone wants to be useful. Everybody wants, in their innate self, they want to grow and they want to contribute. And one of the ways, one of the best ways to do that is to be helpful, be useful. And, you know, whether it's in this podcasting space or, for me, in the in the coaching space, we want to be helpful. We want to be useful. So very important. So now I'm gonna start talking about you now because I do have questions. No. Go for it. Ask.

So so can you share what is what was how did your journey from IT management to becoming a business and life coach? Yeah. That that was a statement. I don't is there a question behind that? How what was your life? Can you share your journey from from IT management to becoming a business and life coach?

Sure. I think I think it's one of those things that was always in the back of my mind. Like I just shared, you know, being helpful, being useful is definitely one of the major traits for me. And I think even just recently, backstory, my mom is here from Jamaica. She's been here for 6 weeks, staying

with me, and it's just been a blast having her here visiting. I'm spending her birthday, and and it was a chance to just sort of reflect and reminisce on my upbringing, and my being raised, predominantly a single mom, but my dad. I knew my dad, and my dad was in my life, but I always had a sense of wanting to be useful, wanting to be helpful. And fast forward to college or high school. High school and college,

my dad had a technical background, and that rubbed off on me, primarily because it gave us a chance to connect. It was our opportunity to do things together, Fixing cars, fixing fridges, electrical stuff, plumbing, whatever it was technical my dad was involved in, I was usually around. Then that kind of informed my career path and I went into IT and, enjoyed

it immensely, primarily because it gave me a chance to help. I like the technology stuff, but I think the thread behind it was that you were using your technical ability or your skills or insight to help somebody. And that kind of propelled me in a path where I worked for a number of companies in the UK, and I've been self employed for a period. And during my self employment,

I actually started to work on myself. I was involved in some personal development programmes, introduced to Tony Robbins, met him for the first time in the UK, 92, which kind of dates me a little bit, 93. And Fast Track, 3 years after meeting him, I spent my first Christmas in San Diego at his house with his wife and his mom, and a little puppy that we were looking after for his son because it was a surprise for Christmas.

And that just kind of led me on a journey of connected people that were in this coaching, personal development space. Never really pursued it because my reason for being in the US was primarily for my technical qualifications. So my visa has to be tied to my degree. So I moved into the technology space and worked in the

US using that. But again, it's always been around helping people and moved from sort of the technical aspects to supporting, technical support, to managing a global team for a software company, and moving into the sort of customer experience space. And, again, the common theme is that there's someone to help. Come what is it? Almost 18 months ago, my company had right sized and

my job was made redundant. So it was an opportunity to, you know, you have this epiphany that says, what do you wanna do for the rest of your life? What do you wanna do if you can't fail? What will get you up in the morning and keep you up late at night? And it's 10:30 at night here, and I'm talking to my buddy Will. And the answer came back and it was to move into that coaching space. And it's been a blast, it's been an interesting journey, it's a challenging journey. Everybody wants to be a

coach, but it's not necessarily easy to be one. Yeah. That was that was my next question. Is it do you feel like it's a saturated field? Is that the the everybody's a life coach. Everyone's going into coaching. But it's not easy. Like, it's not an easy field. You have to really build your your brand and your reputation up to really go out and get the clients that you want. So how is it in a space like that that's I'm sure there's like I said, there's so much

it seems that it's saturated. How does someone go out and and and stand out from the rest? Well, I think that I I think the first thing is is to really have a reality check. I'm raised in the faith, I profess a Christian faith, and I also have a very stoic sort of mindset. You know, I want things to be plainly put in front of me. I want to look at things dispassionately, not get too emotional, not get, you know, crazy about

it. And I say that because there's the reality of, like you said, it's a it's a very it's a very busy market. It's the irony is that people assume they know what you do the moment you say coach. And interestingly, on the other side of the pond, there is more of a more of an affinity to understand what coaching means outside of coaching in a sport, in a sporting context, whereas people will understand what it is to have somebody coach you in your profession or your

industry. But it's it's really is important for everyone to have a coach. Like, I need to have a coach. You don't have it's it's it's important because we're still growing and developing, and we're still learning whatever it is that we're we're trying to do in this world. That's easy to it's again, it's so much easier said than done. And like I said, the US market, the the other side of the pond, have got much a much greater affinity

to it. It's like it's like having a counselor or having a therapist. The u the UK the UK still kind of feels that these things are remedial and not aspirational. If you have somebody if you go to counseling, they'll say, oh, I'm sorry for you. Oh, dear. What's the problem? As opposed to good. It's good because you've recognized something that needs help, and you've you've put yourself out of the way to get the help you need. So that's a that's seen as a good

thing. And when you really dig beneath the you don't have to scratch too far beneath the surface, but if you scratch a little bit beneath the surface, you recognize that there is immense value in putting yourself aside and seeking the help you want. And to your point, yes, everybody everybody understands that there is someone that can mentor, train, teach, coach. Instructor is the same as teaching, I guess, but in essentially those areas that are pretty

specialized, they're all very different. Teaching is not coaching, mentoring is not coaching, So it's important to make sure that we have a distinction between what we're saying. I wouldn't go into a room and say I'm a coach, not because I'm ashamed of it, it's because it's so maligned, it's so misunderstood. Yeah. I would need another 10, 15, 20 seconds to really just say, look, I'm walking this earth like a lot of people. I've got challenges. I'm hurt. I'm broken. And at the same time,

I've gone through some stuff and come out the other side. And if I've gone through something and come out the other side, and I meet someone going through something that I've just gone through, then there may be something I can do to help. You know? So would would would you you kind of specialize on helping management, helping people learn how to really truly be be managers and leaders. What what what is it about managing and leading that that has you wanting to help those people? Good

good question. And sometimes, you know, you you pick an audience that you most are like. In some ways, sometimes people describe, you know, your ideal client is you 5 years ago, you know, or 3 years ago, however long, however far back it requires that you got through something. And, you know, I'd managed a team, I'd worked in various industries, I'd worked in various organizational structures, and I've worked with various, levels of toxicity

in the workplace. And, you know, coming out the other side of that, I felt like there's an opportunity to really speak some insight to that space. And it's often an opportunity whereby people want to see a result. And interestingly enough, they will often dismiss the progress that they are making personally at the expense of

the progress they're making professionally. So what I mean is that, you know, someone would more likely spend they'd be more enamored with the result on the quarterly budget than they are in making sure that they're at the right weight, or they're

eating well, or they're sleeping. And that's kinda sad really when you think about it, because if an organisation is driving for those metrics and ignoring the value that the person is bringing to the team or the organisation, then it's almost like we've got it round the wrong way. So I kind of I aligned myself or alluded to speaking with the managers. I have a

Facebook group, the managers who lead. And that's not just to say that you have had that role, it's really the identity of management, managing yourself first and foremost, and leading, and leading through serving, leading others. So that was why I picked that sort of that arena. I came from it, I sort of got the most, I guess, scars from it, or I can sort of speak to some of that insight. But, ultimately,

it's a personal thing. I mean, if you have a one of my mantras is, you know, I want people to leave work happy. Right? If,

if if you can leave work happy, then that's a good day, for 1. Don't leave it too don't leave work too late, but certainly leave work happy. Then you're ready for the rest of your day. You're ready for your your friends, your community, your family, you know, and that's important.

And what you do in that working space is often dictated and guided by how you feel, how you show up, what you're thinking, what you're projecting, the impressions that you're giving, you know, the way you can speak speaking with truth and authenticity to people, how you lead and connect. So there's a lot of things that we have to do personally, and the workplace is one of those one of those easier places where you can see the results. And yeah. Do you do you catch yourself

learning stuff and then kind of, testing it out on yourself? Like, there's other other things that that you see, like wait. Let me try this out and see how this works. Do do you see yourself doing that? I am I am my own lab. I am my own laboratory, bro. This is the lab. You're looking at the lab right here. There's a

there's a whole there's a whole ton of stuff. And and, you know, just, I mean, recently, neuroplasticity is has been one of the the kind of areas that I'm really, sort of interested and excited about in terms of, you know, we're not set in stone. The old dog the old dog can learn new tricks Yes. If incented the right way. And I don't mean a stick, and not even necessarily a carrot, but if you've got the right incentives, you can make the changes. And those changes the capacity to change is

with you as long as you're breathing. You don't you don't check out because you've reached a number, don't check out because you can't touch your toes, don't check out because you can't walk up a hill. You know, there's a lot of times we use scenarios to check out. So I'm in the lab all the time. You know? I'm I'm in this lab every day, bro. So it's a lot of a lot of testing going on.

Alright. So, because you because you're also you're how do you how does your passion for cycling, your vegan lifestyle, and avid reading contribute to your coaching philosophy? Oh, Oh, Will Will's been doing the research on me. This is the hardest question, animal food. That's great. You know what? That's that that's great. Those things those things are examples of me doing laboratory work. You know? I don't own a car, you know. I'd maxed out at

owning 3 at one time. And, living in Southern California, you pretty much had to have a vehicle to go anywhere. But here in the UK, I don't. So I'm pleasantly relieved that I don't have car payments, maintenance bills, and fuel to pay. So I cycle a lot. I have a couple of bikes and I love road I love just road trips with a bicycle. I've done a good chunk of the north and south of England, and I've done a coast to coast across the UK, which has been fantastic,

and I like the solitude. I've done a couple of long rides with one of my best friends in the world, and it was just beautiful. 2 brothers on a bike, bike each, not tandem. We had a bike each, and just just riding and talking, and we were blessed with good weather, which is a great thing in the UK, and it was just a blast. I've ridden to support causes. I started cycling after replace I

had my hip replaced, and it took running off the table pretty much, you know, distance running. I'd run a couple of marathons, a couple of half marathons, or 3 or 4 half marathons before then, and I love running because, again, it gives you that solitude, it gives you that time in your head. Sorry, out of your in your body and out of your head, and that was precious for me. And cycling was the alternative after the hip surgery.

And it ticked all the same boxes, just meant you went further on a bicycle, which is nicer. And, so that's important to me to sort of stay well, and really have things that are activities that get me out of my head because I can be pretty cerebral. I can be a I'm an introvert by nature, and, which means I have a lot of introspection. I think about things,

so it's nice to get out of my head and into my body. And then the veganism was something that sort of came into my life about nearly 6 years now, and and it was sudden, although it was probably dormant. The thought was around for long longer before the action showed up. And that's often the case. We have things that are dormant in our lives. They're either a niggle in pain, or they're just something in the back of the mind. They're on the someday list, you know, and

they just they hover around. And then one day something happens, or it comes to the surface, and you make a decision, and people think around you that you just made the decision off the cuff. But in actual fact, it's been brewing for a while, and an opportunity came up, and you took it, you know, you made the switch.

And, you know, I watched a couple of documentaries, which were interesting, and the content of the documentaries weren't as powerful as watching the 2 doctors that presented the documentary because they were well into their 80s, vibrant, energetic, articulate, and, you know, fully functioning at that age. And a lot of them, you know, the both of them attributed that to a plant based diet. So I said, sign me up. And,

I was the first in my family. My daughter came along for she said it was a try for a couple of weeks, and she actually stuck it out for a while. My wife took a while to come took a while to to come around, but when we were doing too lots of shopping, it became a little bit easier for for her to, sort of, join the plant based movement. And I Yeah, I love it. It's been informative. The biggest hardship maybe is I'm a ribs man. I used to like my ribs, yeah, cancer style, and, brisket,

and, bacon. So that was a sort of those are sometimes the hard things to kind of, smell or be around, but I can I can live without them? And the other thing that it does is it makes you look at what you eat. And you don't need to change your diet in any other way, except taking the 5 seconds it requires you to turn the label turn the product around and read the label at the back. Yeah. That action alone, those those 5 seconds to read the back of the packet and not the front of the packet

can change your life. So, that for me has been actually the biggest transition because I realize how much animal product is in things that I didn't think even needed to have an animal product in it. So very interesting. But I try not to I try not to espouse it too much because people can get very I don't know. People say, you know, how can you tell someone's a vegan? You know, talk to them for 5 seconds, and they'll tell you. You know? That's the kind of the answer.

So I try and I try not to be that annoying vegan that says, oh, I can't eat this. I can't eat that. Woe is me. So Yeah. But, yeah, be aware. Be aware, man. That's that's the that's the lesson. Be aware. So how do you tailor your coaching solutions to meet the unique needs of of different individuals and themes?

The key thing is is that you've gotta connect for me, the criteria is connecting on a heart level, and a heart and an energetic level, and that doesn't that that requires somebody to be in your space long enough to recognize how you can help them, that there is an opportunity to help, and that there's a willingness to take the steps. So that does not necessarily mean that your ICP, your ideal customer profile, has to be, you know, some people say, oh, it's gotta be, you know, Joe Blogs.

He's a 45 year old senior manager at a company that has 300 employees, and he manages a staff of 5, and he works in IT, and he's got he's overweight, and he smokes a bit. And, you know, that stuff is all well and good in terms of profiling. And, you know, a lot of the a lot of the marketeers, do that, and I understand that. But at the end of the day, you you gotta be in front of people that sort of say, hey. I remember you. You talked about this. Can you

help? You got some tips? You got some ideas? Can you, you know, can you guide me here? You know, everyone needs a coach, and I'm not everyone's coach, but I'm somebody's coach. So my journey is is to show up platforms like this, connections like ours, environments that we find ourselves in, and show up and say, hey. Somebody could could, could use my help. Yeah. And and there's somebody out

there I can serve. There's maybe there's people out there that I need to serve, and I need to look harder for them. You know? So I'm not trying to skirt the skirt the question, but, you know, sometimes we can get we can literally turn people off because the 3rd time you speak to them, they're throwing an offer down your neck and telling you that this is what you

need to do. And they barely know they don't even know they don't even know what you, you know, what you like as a hobby, let alone how you're going to change your what you need to do to change your life. So, I'm sorry. It sounds like I'm scared. I feel like I was not completing the question. You know? But, you know, that's the heart though, bro. That's the heart though, bro. I mean, full transparency, man. I'm I'm over 3000 weeks old, man. 3000 weeks, man.

You gotta that's not that's not inconsequential. I'm a you know? I'm a I'm a black man that's lived that's from the UK, Caribbean heritage, lived in the US, and, you know, I've not I've avoided major incidents in my life. I've, you know, I've had some major crossroads, and and that's not I'm not I'm not charmed by any means. I have my challenges. But, you know, you wake up and you go, yeah. That's it's a lot of weeks on the planet. So there's gotta be a reason

I'm here. There's some someone, something keeping me around. And, you know, I'm loving the journey, and I want people to really recognize that, we can't be so hung up and strung up that we that we we can't find people to connect with and and see how we can help and serve.

And then that's and, I love the fact that I've been able to connect with so many different people and and been able to learn and grow, and it's it's made me a much better person. Yeah. Being able to connect with so many different people and learn from so many different people that now it's really impact out on how I see how I impact other people and how I I look to aim

and and serve people. It's not it's not always about like like you said, when you speak to a certain when you speak to these coaches and gurus and all and all of a sudden, they got offer for you and and you're in your head thinking, like, especially when when you're starting out and you don't have the money to to to pay these courses and pay the 1,000 of dollars, these people are saying, oh, and I can help you build your business and da da da.

It's refreshing when you do meet people that are genuinely just trying to help you. Yep. They really just wanna help you. They it doesn't they're not able to make you wanna need a buck or whatever it is. They just truly want to be able to help uplift you and make you a better person and help you grow. Mhmm. Mhmm. And and I I describe myself as a I describe myself as a stoic, in the in the philosophy in the philosophical sense and not necessarily in the sort of

behavior attitude. I do care. I am emotional. So that's not that kind of story that I'm thinking of. It's more around that philosophy that says, you know, there's virtues in a virtuous life. There's there's things that are that are valuable. They're values that

we hold as people, and we owe it to ourselves to explore what those are. A lot of times we don't take the time, we don't make the effort to explore what our values are, where they come from, how they're informed, and we leave a lot of that to the the tides or the winds of change or media. And, you know, if you're if you're bobbing around, if you're on a coast, and we did this. We had this,

in in Jamaica. I went to a I was with a a group from church, these elderly ladies, and they're all in the ocean in in the in the Caribbean Sea in Jamaica, and they were enjoying the the the the water being cool, and just they were just bobbing up and down, chatting to each other. There was, like, 5 or 6 of them together in a group. And I was

watching them from from a bit of a distance. And I realized that as they were bobbing around in the in the ocean, the tide was moving them further down the cut down the beach. So their bags were at one end of the beach almost, and they had been standing there. Well, they thought they were standing there, but they're just bobbing up and down. And every time they bobbed up and down, they were being moved a little bit by the tide.

And literally 10 minutes later, they it was a good distance. It was a good 300, you know, 300 feet, you know, 100 yards from their from their things. And that's how life is. If you bob up and down thinking you're keeping still, the tide will move you. The comment will move you. Current affairs will move you. So we have to be aware of that. And we have to, in a sense, fight the current.

We have to be, we have to be intentional about where we're going, why we're doing it, what we're doing, who it's for, and you don't have to be mean, you don't have to force your impressions on other people, but you have to have intentions. Because if you leave it to the current, the current will take you normally where you don't wanna go. So it's Yeah. It was just a powerful metaphor to see these ladies to kinda call them back and said, hey. Come over.

Yeah. Every time you think you're still, you know, moving further away. Yeah. So it was interesting. But, thank you for being a guest. I appreciate it. I'll do it. We definitely gotta get you back on so at the right time, but we'll I'm gonna get you on earlier. I'm gonna get you on earlier because I know it's late over there. So I'm definitely gonna take a day, and we can record something earlier in the day. Yeah. This

has been great, Will. I mean, you know, I it's always great to just have this sort of a cocreative space where you just you know, you talk, and you're getting a chance to share, and, you know, there's no agenda here other than 2 guys that are passionate about what they're doing. Yeah. But passionate about what they're doing and wanna be seen to serve. I mean, really, that's the goal, is to be seen to serve. And, we are who we are and unashamedly. And,

you know, there's some great things out there. So I really appreciate you. Oh, no. I appreciate you coming on the show and continue to do what you're doing. I love dropping by. Like, I've I've always I've I'm gonna start using it. I'm using it no more. You're, like, one of the only few people I see that really uses the link the LinkedIn audio. Like, that's something I don't see many people use. But you, I see you you use it consistently.

That's something I'm I'm interested in doing more. So it's building that side of my audience on LinkedIn and and making and making more of an impact over there as well. So, yeah, like, you're you're my inspiration because you're doing something that I I don't really do, which is LinkedIn audio. How was that experience? Like, how do you enjoy that? I I love it. I mean,

I I initially took it on board because I was doing the podcast, and I was wondering how can I get people to talk to me? I was talking to myself. I'm an introvert. I'm an introvert that loves to talk. And, so, you know, I did the solo podcast because that was kind of technically the easiest way to sort of get some audio tracks

down and put into a podcast show. More recently, I've had interviews in this format, this style, and it's been refreshing to have someone to talk ideas through and bounce things off of and hear their story, hear their gold. Yeah. But the the LinkedIn audio came about because I thought, well, maybe that's a way to actually tell people if you if I said something on a podcast or you want to ask me a question, then

jump in on this platform. And LinkedIn really could do a bit more with it, but at the at the same time, I like I like its rawness in terms of it's literally just a place where you can share audio. You you don't have to dress up for it. I can I can actually host on my phone, which is beautiful? People can check-in on their phone. I've had people just list, like you said, listen in, and it's just a conversation they're eavesdropping on. And they can come to the stage, put their hand up and

chat. And, it's been a real blessing. And you know, various people drop in. I have some regulars that are always there on a on a Tuesday afternoon, and I just love it. And if I if it's just me and the crickets, then that's fine too. I put some music on, and I I sit there for the I sit there for the duration and just in enjoy the enjoy the time to reflect. So Yeah. It's not there's no downside, really. There is no downside, but you know? But, thank you,

brother, for being a guest. But now you get the solo screen. You get the plug away, let everybody know where you can find new websites, everything.

Okay. Alright. Well, thank you for those that are listening in, live or on a replay. My name is Steve Wright. My business is s a y coaching, s a y coaching.com. But you can find me really on LinkedIn, at I think it's just s a y.

It comes up as LinkedIn. And my my offering really is just a chance to connect, a chance to really communicate, to co create something, that will serve you, that will bring you, bring you results and outcomes that you want for your for yourself personally and professionally, and a chance to create that thinking partnership where, you know, you can speak to someone that can give you, the time and attention, the listening, that will just get you to the next level, again, whether

it's personally or professionally. So feel free to reach out. I'm in the UK, but I work weird hours and, would love to connect with as many of you as possible. So, again, thank you, Will, for this time to share with your audience, and I wish you all a great day. Thank you, brother, for being a guest, man. I greatly appreciate it. Man. Oh, man. Just yet. We're gonna chat a little bit off air, but, let me close out the show. Thank you. Alright.

Thank you for tuning in. If you're gonna catch the replay, subscribe, like, share. Greatly appreciate everybody who's tuned in. As always, big shout out to my RealWise fam, Papi g, Brandy g. Love you guys. Big shout out to the boss lady. Love you and appreciate you. And as always, a big, big shout out to all the essential workers out there. God bless you. Be safe. You know your boy wise does it. Peace out.