And welcome to another episode of stuck in my mind. I am your host, w I z e. My next guest, I am so excited. I'll just let her tell you what what she does. Welcome to the show, Jennifer Moore. Thank you so much, Will. I am I am really excited to be here too. Okay. So I'm supposed to tell you what I do? No. No. I I got questions to ask. Okay. Okay. Sounds good. I do I do have questions to ask. Awesome. Alright. Hold on. What what is going on?
Where did my questions go? Where did your questions go? Yeah. No. I I had some. I I promise you. I I had I have no doubt. Yeah. I don't know where they went, though. Oh, man. Wait. Hold on. Because I I I had them all with when I did my and everything for the show, so they should be here. Ah, there we go. We're right. We're Whoo. Alright. So can you share a bit of share a bit about your personal journey from being an emotional hot mess to become to becoming
an expert in empathic mastery. I I'll do my best, especially trying to keep it short and sweet. So my name is Jennifer Moore and I'm the author of the book Empathic Mastery, which actually I just learned won its 5th book award, just the other day. And, it got it was in the fur it got the 1st place ranking for the, Independent Authors Network, first and basically first place for nonfiction. So I'm kinda like, oh my
god. Anyway, I'm very excited if you can't tell. And what I do is I work with other people who are highly sensitive and empathic and I help them to navigate how to stop being completely overwhelmed by taking on all the thoughts, feelings, energy, and sensations that are coming from the world around them and dealing with that.
And the reason that I do this work is because I understand what it is like to be told that you are too sensitive, that you're overreacting, that you're taking things too personally, that you've got an overactive imagination. You just need to get a tougher skin, that you just need to suck it up. Stop worrying about all these things and just get on with it. And I spent my childhood as a very sensitive, very creative, very magical, but also very sort of shy and really doubting
myself kid. And that sort of went from there into my young adulthood where I had a lot I really had low self esteem. I was constantly looking to, other people for approval, for love, for validation, and especially, you know, I didn't meet a an emotionally unavailable boyfriend that I didn't wanna glom onto. And so I really experienced a lot of distress and I didn't really know how to function in the
world. I didn't really know how to, like, just navigate because I was so overwhelmed by all of the intensity of my own emotions. And it wasn't
until I was in my thirties. And I started to work with a really amazing therapist who was also really psychic, who helped me to start to understand that a lot of the time I would be in a state of distress after I had been picking up the thoughts, the feelings, the energy, the sensations, the worries, and the concerns that had come from somebody else or from a circumstance or situation. And so we would start talking about what had been going on. And a lot of times it would be like, you were fine
before you connected with this person. And then you had this encounter with this person, and then you started to feel really lousy after that. Do you think maybe there's a connection there? And I started to see how frequently I was taking on absorbing, amplifying, and all, and and worrying about other people's stuff, but also taking on a sense of it's my job to fix this. It's my job to make this better. It's my job to to do something about
this. And so I found myself kind of dancing between the part of me that felt like it was my job to be responsible for everything going on in the world And the part of me that just wanted relief and sought that relief through like eating a lot of sugar, through smoking a lot of cigarettes, through getting into a lot of stupid relationships and just sort of like trying to cope.
And on both sides of this, what it ended up causing for me was being in a place of just not really having any idea how to function and live in the world. And I was, so I was a raging sugar addict. I had, I quit smoking and gained £40 in my, like when I was 23 years old and pretty much like I didn't have a clue what I was going to do, where I was going to go, how it's going to sort my life out. And, and I just sort of lived in this sort of state of emotional agitation. So,
hopefully that's enough of an answer. You know, I could go on and on about all all the misery, but that's not what we're here for. No. No. We have, we have actually some comments. Our friend, Tina Marie, even though it shows as Facebook user on here, I I worked on Facebook, and I saw it was her. And she she's a fellow empath. And for there there's people out there that they don't know. They won't realize that they are empath, that they might be looking to
where Yeah. Their they're start they might come into the sit up somewhere and then create mood and everything, and there's someone around them that's just very negative, low energy, low vibrations, and they're picking up on that. And they're not realizing that this person is like that. Exactly. They don't even realize. And I've I will say that I've worked with so many people over the years who when we first started working together, they thought it
was all them. And they thought that all of the stuff was going on. They're like, what is wrong with me? Why is it that I go to this place and all of a sudden I feel so sad? I feel so scared. I feel so upset. And so much of the time, because we don't live in a culture that necessarily acknowledges how sensitive we can be to other people's emotions and energy. A lot of times we just assume
that the problem is ours. And what I've also seen is that most of the people that I have worked with and also I've interviewed for my podcast Empathic Mastery Show, I have found over and over again that people many, many people who are highly sensitive and empathic will have the experience of being in family systems that are not acknowledging what's really going on. And so the kid is picking up the distress that's going on in the family.
But anytime they start calling it out, like naming the elephant in the middle of the room, they are basically told you're overreacting. You're taking it too personally. You're being too sensitive. You're making stuff up. That's not
really happening. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. And so what I find is that a lot of people who are empaths don't necessarily know that that's what they are because they've been gaslit about the fact that they're picking up other people's distress from the time they were really, really, really tiny.
And that gaslighting not only causes us to like, not necessarily believe in being an empath, but also can really cause us to doubt our intuition, to doubt our truth and to question ourselves and go to sort of the default of what's wrong with me that I'm feeling this way right now. And and and and Tina Marie continues, she goes, yeah. It it it brings you it totally brings you down. Yeah. Totally. You you get bashed, and and it hurts. And and so it's so what what she says it's
physically and emotionally painful as well. Yes. Yes. For someone who might not be aware of this, that that they're empath Yeah. How how could they find out? How did how did you discover that you was an empath and this is what was going on with you? So, so let's start with. So first, let's start with my definition of the word. So first, one of the things I wanna say is that empath is not a clinical term. It's a pops you know, it it's a
pop culture term that came out of science fiction from the 19 fifties. There was first a a short story called The Empath that was written by this Scottish author whose name I always forget. And then it and then in the 19 sixties, Star Trek did an episode called The Empath, and it started to show the idea of the
empath. And the idea of the empath is that an empath is a a being who picks up the thoughts, feelings, energy, and sensations from the world around them, like absorbs it, carries it, holds onto it, and feel but this is the thing that makes the difference between an empath and somebody with strong intuition and psychic ability is that unlike a psychic or an intuitive who recognizes that they're picking information up, but they know it's coming from outside of
them. Empaths process information as if it's our own. And so, for example, if you were somebody who was really sensitive and intuitive, you could walk into a house where maybe something really difficult had happened and they would be like, oh my god. This space feels so sad. I feel so much. I feel so much grief. I feel so much anger. I feel so much fear. Like, I under you know, I'm picking up this, but they know they're picking it up from the space.
Whereas the empath walks into a space and immediately goes, why do I suddenly feel so sad? Why am I so scared? Why am I so angry? And the thing is because for many of us, we grew up in environments where people didn't necessarily wanna own their feelings and didn't wanna claim or take responsibility for stuff, we would often own things that aren't
ours. But what makes it really hard is that as an empath, if you are picking up the stuff in the world, but you're feeling it as if it is your own, it can be really hard to recognize that that's actually what's going on and that you are sensitive, that you are an empath. And so how did I figure this out was 2 fold. 1, that therapist that I mentioned who started to help me understand, like this isn't yours. This is about somebody else. And that took me years of just, like, thinking it
through, talking about it, processing it, and then going, wait a second. I was fine before I encountered this person. And then all of a sudden, I was feeling all the things they were talking about feeling themselves. But what I also noticed, and this is the thing I found to be really kind of the dead giveaway for me, is that whenever I am suddenly I go from, like, 0 to a 100 miles an hour, and I go from, like, I'm just fine. Everything in
in my life is okay. I've got a roof over my head. I got food in my belly. I got clothes in my back. You know, I've got money in the bank account or enough money to know that I'm not worrying about, like, the next bill that's coming along. And, and all of those things are okay. But for some reason I'm feeling really distressed. I'm feeling really uneasy. I'm feeling really off kilter. I'm feeling something is just like
weird or wrong. What I noticed is that when I'm feeling out of sorts for no reason at all, more than often than not, it is because I'm picking up stuff that's going on either in my immediate world or a lot of times globally like that. I'm picking
up stuff that's going on in the world around me. And what I will say is that for myself, time has been the greatest teacher because by noticing when I feel this way, but also starting to talk to and connect with other highly sensitive empaths and talking about, are you feeling it? Oh, yeah. I've been feeling it. All of a sudden, there
starts to be, like, we start tracking things. And what we started noticing, I started noticing for myself, but then I started getting, like, confirmation from other people was so often, like, if we checked in, it was like, I've just started suddenly started feeling really weird. I suddenly started feeling really strange. I suddenly started feeling like, oh, something's coming. Like, some things I feel uneasy. And then all of a sudden it's like 3, 4, 5, 6, 10, 20 people come back to me.
Or, like, if I do a, you know, like, I do a TikTok video and I'm like, hey, can you feel it? And I you know? And it's like everybody is, like, ticking. Like, it's 90% of the people who are ticking the box are like, yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. And an example of this would be like shortly before, about 2 weeks before, Israel and Palestine just blew up and Hamas, attacked Israel. We, you know, I was talking with a bunch of sensitive people and we were all talking about
how it felt like something was coming. And that feeling of like, I can sense something is on its way is something that I've noticed. But unlike a psychic or an intuitive who might be picking this up and be like, oh, I can see there's a conflict in the Middle East. Often what happens is we feel it as a sense of fear, agitation, distress, grief, but it's not identifiable in the same way, except that
then the event happens. And for me and many of the people I've spoken to, it's almost like you feel like the pressure valve on a on a pressure cooker has been released. And suddenly, it's like, oh, I don't feel this way anymore. I'm not experiencing that dread. I'm not experiencing that sense of like, Oh, something wrong is on, on
the verge of coming. And I personally believe that especially as the world has been heating up kind of both like literally and metaphorically, that more and more people are awakening to this empathic sensitivity that more and more people cannot just compartmentalize and stuff it down and ignore it. Because I believe that a fundamental truth is starting to arise in the world, which is that we are all cells in the body of this earth
and we are all interconnected. And so when we do really stupid things in one part of the world, even if we're on the other side of the planet, there is still a way that, that the ripples of that impact us. And if you sort of get into like the whole quantum physics and, you know, going into the idea of time as an illusion, you know, time, time is a construct, but
ultimately all we have is, is now. And so in a way, if an event is intense enough, it's sort of like the intensity of that is like a stone that gets dropped into the river of time and the ripples go both ways. So, and what I've noticed for many of us who are sensitive, even if we don't necessarily first identify or get it it's like there will be this this this ability to anticipate and feel things
before they're they're coming. Now this is not true for every single person who's an empath, but I've noticed this to be fairly consistent. Okay. Yeah. So Tina Tina actually says thank you for spreading the wisdom so that others may realize they are not so different. Nothing is wrong with us. It's only it's only right. And and and it's true. There there are people out there that are struggling with the with this, not knowing that they're they're empath and that Right.
And that they don't they they feel it's something wrong with them. Like you said, they don't realize that they're picking up the energy from the world around them. Yeah. And and they're really struggling with this. They they're really going through thinking people that, hey. There's something wrong with you when there's really nothing really wrong. It's it's we're all energy. Yes. And some of us are just a little bit more advanced where they're a they're able to pick up certain frequencies
all the time. Like, they're they're they're they're feeling every kind of vibration imaginable. So you have people out there struggling with this, not realizing that it's not you. It's the conflict and the energy around you that's causing this inside of you. Right. Right. How can how do how do how does it how does someone try to get that answer to help them realize that, hey. It's not really me. It's not. Yeah. Well, I mean so so I've got a a few strategies
here. And, you know, I mean, I wrote a 380 page book about this because it's not exactly like, there's so many different pieces to it. You know, there's just so many different pieces to it. And there's so much I wanna say. One thing I wanna say is that as an empath, we, in many ways, we can either be, you know, we're kinda like vacuum cleaners. We can either be in the position where the switch has turned to sucking energy in or where the switch has turned
to blowing energy out. And the thing is we can either be picking up the distress from the world around us and broadcasting it and amplifying it. Because when we pick it up and we feel it, we tend to amplify it because then we're just another, you know, we're just another fire
to put out. But when we learn how to control our energy and we start cultivating peace and calm and love within us, we go from being these vacuums that are just absorbing the intensity and the distress to becoming beacons for calm, love and healing and actually being able to amplify peace instead of amplify distress. And that's the thing about us. That's our superpower is the ability to sense things in the world, hold the space for
it, and then broadcast love back out. And so what I will say is that this is more of the kind of like, I don't know, like advanced level or graduate level empath work, but that, but it's true for all of us is that we
need to be able to be comfortable with discomfort. We need to be able to be comfortable with holding space for ourselves first and foremost, when we're having a hard day, instead of, like, going through the, you know, all of those voices and the narrative and the you're broken and you're wrong and you shouldn't be doing this and just all the things we the grief we put ourselves through when we're having a
hard time. Learning to come to a place of, like, merciful kindness and radical acceptance of ourselves when we're going through something difficult and letting it be okay if we're in that space. That the ability to hold space for distress allows us to let it be instead of immediately rushing into rescue. And so as empaths, the thing is we feel better when
other, when we are taking on the energy of the world. And when we believe that our job is to fix things, like one of my students came up with this saying, if I can feel it, I need to heal it. And the thing is that if we believe that, then we're going to get ourselves. We are constantly caught up in this place of thinking it's my job to make the world a better place. It's my job to fix the problem because I can see it. Sometimes interference is the worst thing we can do.
And I'll give an example of this that, like, would probably land for most people. Let's take an alcoholic, for example. No amount of effort on the part of the person in the relationship with the alcoholic is gonna make them stop drinking. The only thing that is going to make a drunk stop drinking is when they realize that it's not working for them. They feel the consequences of their behavior and they make the decision to do something different.
And in a lot of ways, this is true for so many things. We can hold space for somebody to sit with their discomfort or with their misery or with the things that are going on in their life, but it's not our job to fix it or rescue it. It is our job to behold it and acknowledge it and believe that that person has agency and the ability
to make that choice for themselves. And this is like big work because it really is about trusting that the universe is unfolding as it needs to and that it's not necessarily my job or your job to go meddling in everything to try to fix problems because we can see the problem and think, well, that person hasn't figured it out yet, so it's my job to interfere, basically. So that's a really big part of
what as empaths we get to work on. But before we go there, what I have found is really help helpful is I, you know, the 5 step system of Empathic Mastery has recognized as the first step releases the second step. Protect is the 3rd, connect as the 4th, and act as the 5th. Recognizing starts with even identifying that we are an empath, that we recognize that we are vulnerable to picking up energy and then processing it as if it's our own.
And then coming to the place of recognizing when we're offline or out not offline, but offs you know, out of sorts, when we're off kilter, when something feels amiss. And then going from that to starting to recognize, okay, what's mine, what's not mine. So what I really love to do is whenever I notice that I'm picking any, that I'm just feeling strange. I'll just put my hands over my heart, close my eyes, and I'll ask myself the question, is this mine? And I will say that probably 95%
of the time the answer has come back yes and. Some of this is yours. Some of this is about the time that you experienced the mean girls in 6th grade. Some of this is about the time that you were sick with pneumonia when you were 17. Some of this is about the time that you were humiliated by that, by that professor or that teacher or whatever. But there is but a lot of it is coming from outside of you. And so I'll get this answer that a lot of times there's a part of it
that's about me, but there's a large part of it that is not. And so then once I get that yes yes, some of it is yours, some of it isn't, I will ask the next question, which is what's mine, what's not mine. And that's where often I'll be like, oh, that was from the Mean Girls. This is from but this is about, like, the the cranky the cranky person at the grocery store that I just
ran into. And when I've got that answer of what's mine, what's not mine, and I start having a sense of, like, some of this is mine, some of this is not mine, then what I do is I like to just take a really simple exercise of just I breathe into my heart. And as I breathe out and I like to have my hands over my heart. I exhale and I release my hands and I say, I send this back to where it belongs. And I just use my inhale and my exhale. I send this back to where it belongs. It's safe for me to
let this go. And if I and one of my favorite things to also say, I've two lines that have I live by that have been really helpful. 1 is the old Polish proverb, not my circus, not my monkeys. And just, you know, a lot of times I really have to remind myself of that. Like, not
my circus, not my monkeys. And if you grew up in a family where there was a lot of, like, transference of problems and a lot of people who kind of like codependent worry and things like that, I grew up in a family system that basically everybody's monkeys were my monkeys. Everybody's circus was my circus. And I really you know, like, I was taught, like, if you can you know, as a student my
student was saying, if I can feel it, I need to heal it. And so for me, that old, you know, that proverb, not my circus, not my monkeys, that has been really, really helpful. And then another one that I live by that I really love, I find so helpful is the saying, your poor planning does not constitute my emergency. Like just because you're in a state of crisis right now, because basically you got yourself there does not mean I need to drop absolutely everything in my entire life
to make it better for you. And that has certain I mean, sometimes that that statement, it doesn't apply. But a lot of times as an empath, I do find that it applies that just like your poor planning does not constitute my emergency. And so those two statements, not my circus, not my monkeys and your poor planning, Those things have been incredibly helpful in terms of just being able to like get perspective and be like, maybe it's not my job to fix this problem right now. Oh, man. Yeah,
definitely. Definitely. Yeah. So can can you can you share the story behind the creation of your your oracle decks and the Sure. Photographic healing tarot? Yeah. Yeah. So so I picked up so I I learned I don't even know when I learned about the tarot. I mean, maybe it was probably like watching, like, the James Bond movie with the witch's tarot, like, way back. But by the time I was, like, 18, 19 years old,
I really wanted my own I wanted a tarot deck. So for my 19th birthday, I got my 1st deck and, I fell in love immediately and I understood it immediately. It was like, I just knew it. And I and so it didn't I I was an undergraduate as an artist. I I've been an artist
my entire life as an undergraduate. I went to art school. I actually ended up getting a degree in fine arts, but with a focus on filmmaking and photography, which is kind of amazing in some ways how much my entire life filmmaking and photography has been the tool that I've used with marketing, with everything. I mean, it's just been kind of incredible how much it kind of has has, even though it's not necessarily how I've made my living, it is it is has been a skill that I've
used my entire life. So I I got out of, you know, I got out of basically, I got out of art school and I found that I was, like, not ready for prime time when it came to being an artist and making money. I had way too many self esteem issues. I had way too many limiting beliefs about artists starve and Garrett's and, you know, you can't make a living as an artist and all of this other stuff. And so I started reading tarot cards for money. I started working as a psychic.
And what started to happen was where I first started doing the work, It was all about like, you know, predictive readings. I there's this, old, this terrorist that I knew I've known for many years named Thalassa who used to say, you're going to meet a tall, dark, cesspool and fall in. And which I really love because what happened for me was I started at when I first started reading was like, you're gonna meet this person and you're gonna fall in love and you're gonna have
this many kids and yada yada yada. But over time, I started to get really curious about what is it about the patterns that you keep getting yourself into? Why do you keep on finding yourself being attracted to the same person over and over and over again? Why do you keep on falling into that cesspool? And as I started doing that, I started looking at the tarot as a as a an oracle for learning and for our life lessons and at at each card as a
healing process for every single one of us. And as I started working with this and understanding the tarot in this broader way and much more in a way of, like, your soul's evolution, as opposed to thinking about it as just predictive. I started to envision and think about
like, what would it be like to create my own deck? And so I actually right around the time that I started thinking about this, I had created a series of masks, and I had shown them at this Halloween party called the Pumpkin Ladies Ball that happened in Massachusetts for a number of years down in the in the Boston area. And, and these people, these dancers came up to me at this this event and they were like, oh my god. Your masks are amazing. We're about to do this dance
performance piece called the fool's fable. It's all about tarot. And we think you would like, we'd love for you to make all the masks for the show. And I was like, okay. And that was what started me was I made masks for this dance performance that led you through all of the 22 Major Arcana cards. And that was what sort of started me. And then I was like, I have to make a deck. And so I did this photographic tarot deck where I made masks for every
single tarot card. And I enlisted all my friends and some people and all my acquaintances. And then for the next, like, from I I trying to think of the math here, but was, like, somewhere in the vicinity of, like from, like, 1989 until like 1994. I just kept shooting images and creating masks and creating this deck. And eventually I had all 78 cards completed. And and so but I wanted to make like, I just
felt this burning desire to create a tarot deck. And but I wanted to make one that was really about how we can use it as a tool for our personal growth, for our spiritual development, and for our healing. Yeah. That was that was my next question is, what what role does your deck play in in helping individuals in the healing journey? You know, I think that it is it there's so many different ways that it can be used. I and this is true, I think, for anybody working with the tarot or
with any kind of oracle decks. You can use it in a way that is a springboard for self exploration where you look at it and even ask yourself the question of like, does this ring true to me? Does this resonate with me? What part of this resonates with me? What part of this doesn't resonate with me? What part of this feels like yes? What part of this feels like close, but no cigar? And just sort of using it as a way to like, almost like journal prompts, you know, like, as for self exploration.
There is also the experience of using it more as an oracle or using it more from that standpoint of, like, a prediction. And as a reader, what I do is I lay the cards out, and it's sort of like looking at a whole bunch of windows in front of me where I get to see the energy of where something is going for somebody and talk about or where the energy has been and where we can start reflecting on like how all of these different pieces fit together to create a picture of somebody's
life. And so in my experience, there's using it from the standpoint of just sort of not predictive or necessarily psychic or reflective, but more like just, self exploration. And then there's using it more from the standpoint of I'm looking at a mirror of my life, or somebody I've hired somebody to look at a mirror of my life, and they're giving me perspective. They're giving me information. They're giving me
guidance about stuff. And one of my absolute favorite ways to work with tarot at this point in time is every year or most years, I do what's called a magnificent new year readings, where I pull out the cards and I do, like a 12 month spread with a couple extra cards for, like, clarification. And I talk about the frequencies, the energy, the vibration of the year, and kind of how it all is
gonna fit together. I don't necessarily say, you're gonna, you know, like, you're gonna meet your husband and get married on this date, or, like, you're gonna buy a car, you're gonna buy a house. As much as I talk about the energy of this period of time is gonna be all about self esteem. It's gonna be all about personal recognition.
It's gonna be all about validation and acknowledgment. This year, this particular period of time is gonna be all about boundary setting and about setting limits and recognizing, like, what is what are you where are you overgiving? Where are you overdoing it? And having this opportunity to kind of look at this roadmap of the the direction or the likelihood of where things are gonna go. And I'm going to actually answer a question that's in my mind, which is
about the future. And what I believe is that while, that, that the future is not set in stone, but there are dominant streams of reality that were most likely to go down based on the choices that we are making because the future is defined by our choices. And most of us have particular personality traits that lend us to do certain things. And so a lot of times the future is like if you imagined like a tree or a river with all kinds of
streams, there's dominant branches. And so a lot of times when we're looking at things that are about the future, what we're talking about are the dominant branches. And what kinds of choices can you make to lead yourself in the most aligned, most flowing, most, like, optimal path of the future? Like, how can you get into the timeline that's gonna be good for you as opposed to the timeline that's basically gonna be awful to avoid using any swear words?
No. You know? No. You're right. Yeah. You're absolutely right. So you you have, the healing tarot cards and everything, but you're also a fellow podcaster. You you have I am. Empathetic mastery show. Yeah. What because I know I know I know this niche is is, just because people rather check out podcasts that are more Bro, dude? The the the no. They they it's more it's more entertaining. They're not really like, my podcast, I I do well. I have a nice audience and everything.
Yeah. I'm sure there's people that tune into true crimes more they're they're more Yes. To true crimes and all that. I I enjoy podcasts where I where, I can learn about self development and and and all these different things. What made you feel that this was a podcast that you wanted to do? Like so I spend a lot of time or a fair a decent amount of time in communication with divine source. Like just like tuning into the sacred heart within my my own heart and listening for like a higher guidance
than just like Jennifer's ego. And so I kept getting this prompt that it was that I needed to be basically doing a podcast about what it means to be a highly sensitive empathic person, how this impacts all aspects of our lives, and the tools and resources that we can use to, like, steer out of the skid. And so when my book came out, I I got a very clear message that I needed to create a podcast to reflect or to you know, that that sort of just, like, continue to enhance the message.
But instead of doing a podcast where it's like, you know, it's, you know, all Jennifer all the time, I really wanted to bring other highly sensitive empathic people onto my show and have conversations with all kinds of empaths and intuitives and sensitives about how their life was impacted by this and also what they've done to turn their life around. And so I'm in my 3rd season at this point in time and have interviewed all kinds of different amazing people. And so, like, I've done
episodes on, like, domestic violence and being an empath. I've done episodes on narcissists and empaths. I've done episodes on being an animal rescue and how empaths and animal rescue, like go like this. I've done episodes on like, ADHD and other aspects of neurodivergence and being an empath and how the intersection There's a lot of times, there's a lot of cross pollination between various variations of neuro, being of neurodiversity and empaths. You know, I've
done episodes on near death experiences. I've done episodes on people who their relationship with their loved one when they died suddenly just completely turned into a whole new relationship. You know, you name it, I've done an episode on it. And I wanted to do this because one as Tina Marie, I believe it is Tina Marie. Right? Yeah. Yeah. Was saying earlier, you know, I'm not
alone. I think that one of the things that happens for so many of us, because most of us were the designated feeler, like we were the canary in the coal mine within the family system. And most of us grew up in environments where we were told that there was something wrong with us and that we were just weird and that we were picking stuff up that wasn't even real And that basically, like, you're just weird. Go off in the corner. And so many of us feel isolated. Many of us
feel like, you know, it's all in our head. There's something wrong with us. I wanted to create a podcast that gave people hope, that gave people connection, that gave people it gave people information and gave people tools and resources, but also very much a sense of I'm not the only one like this. Like, for example, I've out of the nearly I mean, at this point, I've I've interviewed more than
definitely more than a 100 people at this point in time. Some of them are still in the can getting ready to air, but I've interviewed a lot of people over the years now. And one of the things that I can I can I can I will tell you is that about 95, maybe 90 97 percent of the people I've interviewed were told that they were too sensitive, that they were over overreacting, and they were making stuff up, and it wasn't
real when they were kids? A very small percentage of the people I've interviewed did not have this experience, but most of us did. And the problem with this gaslighting that happens at such an early age is it really ripples out for the rest of our life and it causes us to doubt ourselves. And it also really causes us to pretty much like deny our purpose and put down our calling because we never got any
validation or support or acknowledgement of it. And so just having a show where other sensitive people get an opportunity to hear the true, true about this. And, you know, my show, it's for me, it's like I'm not as concerned about like, I mean, big numbers great, you know, like getting into the I mean, at this point, thankfully, the podcast is in the top 10% of podcasts. You know, but, like, I mean, I have friends who are, like, in the top 0.05 percent of podcasts, which is
really I'm like, go you. Me. Yes. But for me, what it really comes down to is I want the people who need the mat. Like, I I'm doing this and I share these episodes because I want people who who are struggling with taking on the thoughts, feelings, energy, and sensations from the world
around them to know that they're not alone. And that there's another way of doing this, that there's a better way of doing this, that we don't have to spend the rest of our life just like with, like, the emotional kryptonite of other people's misery of being around us. Yeah. So you know why this says this this episode was successful? Tien tori. Just just the fact that she got to leave those comments and share Exactly. What she was going through and what she was feeling. This is
her this is this is her episode. This was a episode she need to to to catch, and and so for me, that's is success is when I can impact one person's life. When one person who who's watching the show, like Tina Marie, it was, and and and could relate with what we're talking about. Right. Well, and we are in such, you know, like the thing I've noticed in the world of transformational entrepreneurs and spiritual development and healing is that it has really gotten co opted by the hustle
culture. And it's really gotten co opted by, like, the whole sort of capitalist 10 x everything, you know, grow, grow, grow, bigger, bigger, bigger. And so it's like, sometimes I see so many people struggle about their message because they have this false idea that the success of the message is directly connected to the number of likes and follows that you have.
And the thing is that I'd much rather know that my message saved one life, then that my message reached a whole bunch of people who just kind of were like, yeah, whatever. Like, what matters more? Giving one person hope who needs it or 10 people hope who need it or a 100 people hope who need it or, like, somehow being, like, you know, like, rocking it, but not really necessarily making any true impact in the world. And And ideally, we get both. But Yeah. I
know. Yeah. It it's it's it's like, would you say when you throw the stone in the rock and you get the ripple effects? The ripple. Exactly. Exactly. It's when you throw the stone and you hit that one person and you impact that one person, you don't know how many people that person is gonna impact. Exactly. So it's a ripple effect. So the fact that you you I I had a a episode where it was a we I had interviewed this person prior on my when I was strictly audio. So we I brought her back on,
and we recorded the episode. And I hadn't I hadn't for some reason, I don't know why I hadn't released it. Mm-mm. I just released it recently within the past couple of months, and she was struggling with something. And I didn't know she was going on, but when I posted the the the episode and and the description I put about her and all the wonderful words I said about her, she was like she sent me a message, and she was like, is this the episode
we recorded last year? I was like, yeah. My apologies. For some reason, I it got it got lost in in my episodes. But when I saw it, I was like, let me release this. Something inside just said release this episode. Yep. When I seen the when I seen I was like, Frederica? I was like, I didn't release this episode. So I looked back, and I'm like, oh, I didn't. And I was like, you know what? I
gotta release it. And and I released it, and I put the description, and I picked the one of her I didn't know it was one of her favorite photos, but it was something that I was like, this is it. This is the picture I gotta use for the thumbnail and everything. And I posted it, shared it with her, tagged her in it. She messaged me, and she was like, thank she's like, you don't understand. I haven't been feeling the way you described me in that episode. And it be really truly became her episode.
Like, her episode impacted her. Like, we recorded it to help impact other people, but that episode helped impact her because didn't know she was going through how she was feeling. Like, she didn't feel any of the things that I put in in the description, but to hear me put those words out there and remind her that this is who she was. It wasn't her in the funk and all that. This is the person who I truly who I saw. Yeah. And so she
it it was like she was like, thank you. And that that's something you know, what you're saying right now is something that we have the power to do for each other is we can mirror each other's beauty. You know? And that's something about an empath. We can pick up on all the misery, but we can also mirror each other's beauty. We can hold that up. And so often, like you said, it's like it goes both ways. It's not just the audience that might get something from it, but it's also us who are the
podcasters who can really get something. And there's something about the power of being heard, the power of being seen that comes back to us. I have a friend who just released her 3rd book And, it's been really interesting because it's like, she felt the energy of people reading the book coming back to her. And there's something about that. Like it's, it doesn't just go one way. It
goes both ways. So I love what you're talking. And I love how you were saying that, like timing wise, you you just kind of you just instinctively, intuitively, you just knew now is the time to be releasing this, and that's exactly when she needed it. Mhmm. Yeah. And and it was and it was like I said, I didn't know like, when I seen it in my I hadn't released it. And it it was like it drew my attention, like, instantly when I I
was like, alright. This time it was time to release the next episode, and I'm going through my my catalog because I have, like you, I have, quite a few in the can that I haven't used yet. Mhmm. And so it it it just drew me to it because I I because I had trans because the funny crazy thing was I had already I had just transitioned to going live, doing live. Like, we're live now. Yeah.
And so but I I couldn't do a episode that day, so I was gonna u I used our record that recording, and I and I uploaded it, and I and I set it up and everything. And it was just something inside of me telling me that this this needed to go out. This Mhmm. Mhmm. This had to go. Yeah. And and that's and that's exactly what I did. Yeah. And just the reaction that I got from her really,
really and and it's those messages. It that wasn't the first time that I've received messages from people about certain episodes or list that they listened to this episode, and thank you. I needed to hear that because there's been quite a few episodes where people were like, they'll they'll go into details, specifics about the episode and that when they said this and this. That to me is like, wow. Yeah. Yeah. And that's why we do it. You know, I have I've got a story to share,
if I've if we've got time for it. Yeah. If you got time, I've got time. I got time. I got time. So, you know, you're talking about, like, what I was thinking as we were speaking is about how sometimes you have absolutely no idea what impact you've made in somebody's life. Like, you have no idea if the message landed. And many, many years ago when I was still like, I had my shingle up and my and I was mostly doing work as a tarot reader.
This young woman came to me and the I laid out the cards and it was really clear that she had a serious drug problem and she was addicted to narcotics. And that she was kind of going down the path. And it's like, she was kind of like borderlining on become she was almost a junkie, but not quite yet. Like, but she was gonna become a
junkie. And I looked at the cards and I was like, I could just see it so clearly that she had a choice that she could choose recovery and choose to dig herself, like, to dig out of the hole she was getting into or she was gonna die. And I was really blunt with her. I was just like, it's completely your choice. But if you do this, you'll live and you have all this amazing power and you have all these amazing things to offer to the world
and all of this good stuff. But if you do this, you're not going to live much more than 3 years from now. Like you're going to kill yourself. And she left the studio, you know, she left the reading. I had no fricking idea whether she was going to listen to me, whether she was going to take anything that I had to say seriously, whether she or she was just gonna be like, F that B, you know, I'm just gonna, I'm just, I'm not even like, whatever, like, where's my next fix.
Yeah. I had no idea. It wasn't until probably almost, like, 20 years later, maybe 5th somewhere between 15 20 years later, she walked into my my studio because I worked as a tattooer doing it as a healing art for 20 years. She walked into my tattoo studio and she came up to me and came over came to me and she said, you read for me 20 years ago and you changed and and that reading changed my life. You told me that I had a choice and that I got to
decide if I was gonna live or die. Well, I chose to live. And I'm here now. And I just want you to know that that reading did, like, that made a big difference in my life. I had no idea. It took 20 years to find out that this thing actually saved somebody's life. And that's the thing. We don't know who's listening. We don't know who's benefiting. We
don't know who's getting that message. And when you start thinking about the fact that our podcast sit on servers and, like, live in perpetuity for years years years, it's like this is a message. Like, it's entirely possible that I mean, you and I are recording this on Tuesday, November 28, 2023, But it's entirely possible that, you know, on May 5th, like, 2031, somebody is gonna be listening to this podcast interview and they're gonna be, oh my God, it's May May 5th, 2031 and I'm listening to
this. But it's they hear the thing they need to hear. You know? Yeah. Yeah. Definitely. There's there's the times, there's just sometimes where a message will arrive to you when you truly do need to hear it. Exactly. And And so often too, you can hear the same message over and over and over again, but
it's not going to land until you're ready to hear it. I mean, I can't count the number of times somebody I've I've been told the same thing, but it takes a certain level of maturity and a certain amount of work on my own part to be able to really integrate it and understand it. Yeah. Wonderful. Yeah. Oh, man. This has been a wonderful conversation. We've the the chats have actually we've been lighting up with with comments. So, this has been great.
But now you get the solo screen. You get to plug away, let them know whether you get the book, your website, everything. Okay. Well so I kept it really, really simple. If you wanna learn about all the things, go on to empathicmastery.com. If you wanna listen to the podcast, it's empathicmasteryshow.com. And if you want to grab a copy of one of my books, which at this point there's quite a few of them go over to empathicmasterybook.com. And I will mention so actually, I'll show you guys
a couple books. Hang on for a second. So this is now a 5 time award winning book, Empathic Mastery, a 5 Step System to Go from Emotional Hot Mess to Thriving Success. And you can find that over at empathicmasterybook.com. But in addition to that, I have a workbook that I created that works with the moons instead of, the seasons, and it's called the
Empathic Mastery Diary. And it's all about it's basically a guided diary that helps you to really track and recognize you know, what's going on to recognize, release, protect, connect, and act. In addition to that, I just wanna mention to you that I have a free Facebook group called the Empathic Mastery Circle, and it is a place where you can get all kinds of support, where you can connect with other highly sensitive empathic people and where I teach a free masterclass every single month
right around the full moon. So we actually just had our class yesterday, where we talked all about how to work with this. And if you are interested in coming off on over and joining the free Facebook group, just jump on to empathicmastery.com/masterclass. I could go on and on. I love working with other highly sensitive empathic people. I, you know, I being a fairy godmother for empaths is what I'm here on this planet to do. And so, you know, please reach out to me. I am at empathic mastery
on all the social media, you know, all the places where I show up. I've been a little bit lax in TikTok lately, but I've got a lot of videos on TikTok, a lot of stuff on Facebook, a lot of stuff on Instagram, and, I'm here to help. And I'd love to hear from you, so please reach out. Thank you. This is very Thank you. As long as let's see. We went almost an hour. Yeah. So when you have when you're having some great conversations, I tell people, it's about 35,
45 minutes. Yeah. But there's sometimes you just have these conversations where you can just talk and and time just flies, and you're like, wow. It's like, wow. You just look at the time, like, okay. We did more than 45 minutes. Yeah. Don't don't don't no. I I love
these conversations. I do too. Yeah. I love I love being able to to put this on my platform and and have people come on and tell their stories and because this again, there there are people out there that aren't aware that they're highly sensitive people. No. They're not aware of this. This is something that people are still
learning now. And and so to be if I'm able to help one person realize it or whatever anyone any of the episodes that I do is me me wanting to learn myself because this I've I've had other highly sensitive people on as well. Yeah. And I love those conversations. Yeah. So for me, it's always me wanting to learn, and at the same time, I'm sharing it with my audience. They get to learn. They get to to see some amazing speakers, and,
I'm blessed to be able to do this. I'm just I'm I'm I've made I made like, I didn't I'm not I wasn't in media. I I wasn't a radio host, any of that. I just jumped into this head first, learned how to do the stuff that I'm doing, how to edit, what how to create RSS. I I've learned so much in the three and a half years, almost 4 years of doing this. Yeah. Yeah. And it's because I've wanted to grow and learn. Yeah. Yeah. And So it's been great. I I love it. I I just love
it. And one of the benefits I personally have gotten from it is that I've gotten so much more clear about about all of this by being able to have conversations with other people about it. But being on both sides of the microphone, I just adore it. And, I will say I as soon as I saw you through PodMatch and and like, you know, they were like, hey, check out this show. You might be a guest on this one. I just knew, like, when I listened to you and I checked out your
other stuff, I was like, we're gonna have a blast. And I just I was I was I was like, we're gonna have fun. So I'm Oh, no. Very glad that I got to be here and and to be with you today. I'm I'm I'm happy. I'm it's what I always like after every show, I'm I'm always wired and charged because of energy. Yeah. And and when I tell people this, like, what? I'm like, yeah. I'm it's like, I'm high off of this
show because Yeah. Yeah. I'm, like, sparkling right now. Yeah. Yeah. Actually, it's because of just because of the great energy and and and just being able to, again, be able to being able to absorb great vibes and great energy and then transmitting that out to the audience and to everyone who eventually when people are gonna listen to it as well, it's I love it. I I couldn't Right on. Yeah. I'm looking forward to all the great conversations that I'm gonna have and and all the great content that
that we're gonna continue to put out there. So, definitely. But so, thank you so much. Oh, thank you so much. This has been a delight. But don't leave just yet. Let me close out the show. We chatted a little bit off the air. Yeah. But thank you so much again. This has been wonderful. Thank you. Alright. Alright. Alright. Alright. Thanks to everybody in the chat who tuned in, by me, Tina Marie. What's up, Veronica? I appreciate you showing your love. This is this is why I do the podcast is,
just to have these wonderful conversations. Hopefully, you guys enjoyed it. Hope hopefully, everyone had a great holidays. It's it's been, an amazing year. I'm looking forward to 2024. It's gonna be very exciting. But thank you to my RealWise fan, Papi j, Brandy j. Love you guys. Big big shout out to the boss lady. Love you and appreciate you, baby. Big shout out to my guest, Jennifer Moore, for coming through and and sharing her great vibes and energy, and and just
I love it. I just love it so much. And as always, a big, big shout out to all the essential workers out there. God bless y'all. Be safe. You know how your boy, Wise, does it? Peace out.