Expert Advice for Mens Mental Health! Podcast w/Paul Mort

00:00:00:01 - 00:00:19:11
Speaker 1
I'm living in Marbella, four bedroom villa with a private pool. Hot wife. Just married. Running a business supplement company that was bringing in great money. Great money that I didn't know what to do with. But I was suicidal. One of the first things I did was I booked on a course. Ten day course in Laguna Beach, California, where the first thing you had to do was have a fight with a man on a beach. Who you’d never met!

00:00:19:23 - 00:00:43:14
Speaker 1
An actual fights? Guys, Matt Haycox here, and welcome to another episode of The Matt Haycox Show. I was actually just thinking, before I started speaking, I think this is the first one I've recorded in Dubai with a guest. - Oh, shit - I think anything else I've been doing here, I’ve been doing, I've been doing over zoom or just doing my own stuff to camera.

00:00:43:18 - 00:01:03:03
Speaker 1
But I'm super excited, so not only is it the first one in Dubai, I've got with me Paul Mort. I'm going to read you his official bio in a minute, but I guess just to contextualize it for me, one of my favorite things about having the podcast is being able to kind of ch- chat and sit down with the people I want to sit and chat with and asking them the questions I want to ask.

00:01:03:03 - 00:01:27:23
Speaker 1
And I met Paul probably three years ago or four years ago in a mastermind type thing that we were both in in England. I've never seen you since. I follow him on Insta, love his energy. Yeah, I just thought it'd be super exciting to - I'm excited, I feel honoured! - So here he is in Dubai - also folks who, you know, you know, when when I asked you if you do this, and I think your assistant reached out and said, How do want to do it?

00:01:28:02 - 00:01:45:24
Speaker 1
I just thought I'd rather wait, even if it took a year to sit down with you, it’d just be fucking wasted on zoom. - Me too. Me too - the videos shit, the sound quality is not the best. It's a different conversation. I don't get lovely espressos. It's what I want to see. I actually extended the trip to Dubai. The holiday to Dubai by two days.

00:01:47:04 - 00:02:27:24
Speaker 1
I'm doing a podcast, so I have to stay. I have to stay for an extra 2 days. I'll find some way to make you feel - now I’m wondering if I can then... if I can make a tax deduct them now can’t I? It’s work this! or just never leave and everyones packed in later on. Honestly, I kept- so I was telling you just before we started filming that I came here in December 2020 and I think, probably in some kind of way, this maybe fits into your mentality of, you know, how to act and how to behave. I’d never been to Dubai before. Came just for an 8 day holiday in the middle of Covid and I think about 6 hours into my first day.. so I’d arrived at 11:00 at night, woke up the next day, 6 hours into that day

00:02:28:05 - 00:02:51:20
Speaker 1
I said I’m never leaving. -really?- Reached out to someone to start applying for my residency. And I just took the view, I fucking love it.. okay, I’m only 6 hours in. But I, I know I just got a vi- I just had a vibe about it. I knew I was gonna love it. -We’ve thought about it so many times- I'm not going to pretend it wasn't accelerated because of Covid because obviously it was. It was going to be depressing to go back to the, back to the UK.

00:02:51:20 - 00:03:12:00
Speaker 1
mid-lockdown. but what I, I guess my attitude to it was, if I don’t like it, I'll go somewhere else or I’ll come back. And the grief, not grief because I don’t care, but the amount of negative comments I got from people saying, You're crazy. You know, you're not going to like it, or in four years time. You're going to be bored. Thought well, if I’m bored in 4 years time,

00:03:12:00 - 00:03:33:09
Speaker 1
the I’ll fucking move somewhere else but it‘s been- maybe it’s because people think that. I think people make a big deal of decisions that actually aren’t that big of a deal. I think most decisions that we think we have to make that we think are life changing aren’t. Like leaving a job isn’t life changing. Closing a business down isn’t.. I don’t think a lot of these decisions are... we make them more important than what they are.

00:03:33:14 - 00:03:55:00
Speaker 1
So so I was talking about this recently and my kind of expression or analogy for it is, I always say if the outcome doesn't involve death or bankruptcy, then does it fucking matter? And even if it involves bankruptcy, then that’s not quite as bad - can still come back from that - exactly! I just think, everyone over thinks everything too much. I mean, I've- that's always been my mentality.

00:03:55:09 - 00:04:16:19
Speaker 1
I read a bit of Jeff Bezos books last year, actually, and the way that he describes it, because it's decision making, rapid decision making and then powering the underlinks to be able to make that decision is is a big part of Amazon. And he describes it as two way doors and one way doors, and that, you know, most decisions in life and many many decisions in business are two way doors.

00:04:17:03 - 00:04:38:00
Speaker 1
Okay, there might there might be some cost implication but as a business with pockets that deep, you know, they can afford to do it. And the downside of not making those decisions is much more outweighed by the- yeah, like you said, you can always turn back around. You know what I mean? I think that people think I actually think that often, it’s pride that stops people from turning back.

00:04:38:01 - 00:04:57:24
Speaker 1
I’ve made that decision now, I can't my mind. I'm a- because I've done the moving countries thing, so I've moved to Marbella, lived there for two years. Hated it. It was a very dark period of my life that. And I came home, it’s one of the best things that I’ve ever done was going back home. But it's, I had to swallow my pride with it

00:04:57:24 - 00:05:16:13
Speaker 1
and be like, Yeah, I am. Do you think- it sometimes feels like, felt like I was giving up a little bit - Do you think it’s a pride thing then as well when it comes to... well, work, relationships and mates - all of it - because I always believe and I always flippantly use the word 90% of people, but whatever, you know, use that for effect. It’s a big number.

00:05:16:15 - 00:05:37:16
Speaker 1
I believe that 80%, 90% of people hate their job, hate their partner and probably aren’t too fond of their fucking mates either. And for me, if you can't get those three things right, then nothing else in life gets in place. - lives harder than necessary. - But it's so much easier than you think to actually change it. Do you know why I think it is Matt?

00:05:38:04 - 00:06:02:05
Speaker 1
Is I think that people stay in those situations that they don't like, that they hate, that they complain about simply because it's familiar. It's certain. And it's predictable. Whereas any kind of change is unpredictable, uncertain, unfamiliar. So, I’m like, that's why people stay in lives that they don't even like because they’re so... they can't handle uncertainty. They can't handle unfamiliarity. They can't handle unpredictability.

00:06:02:09 - 00:06:26:16
Speaker 1
Can't handle the unknown. because that's known isn’t it? But even if it’s known unhappiness, you that it’s easier to - at least you know how shit it is. I also mean, I also believe in this concept of the sunk cost fallacy. Where they put so much time- I’ve been here for ten years now, eventually it’ll pay off or I’ve been in this relationship 17 years now, why would I- do you know what I mean? I'm sure a lot of us have done that with businesses where you’re like

00:06:26:24 - 00:06:50:17
Speaker 1
I’ve put this much time and money into it. I hate it. But I can’t just walk away from it. I mean I think I put a lot of the put a lot of I think a lot of emphasis on time. But I think the big thing that I see so often is, it’s this concept of the known. At least I know how shit it is. At least I know that if I show up to this job, I'm going to get paid, even though I hate it. If I try something different,

00:06:50:17 - 00:07:10:16
Speaker 1
I don't know what's going to happen. People are, I think, entrepreneurs are probably in like the outlines of this because entrepreneur, you know what it's like. And I've been self-employed for, you know, almost 22 years, which is mad. Since I was 21. And then I think one of the key things of being entrepreneurs. You've got to be able to hande

00:07:10:16 - 00:07:43:20
Speaker 1
uncertainty. Because you don't know where the next clients coming from. Don’t know when your next cheque- when you first start especially is I don't think that many things that are more uncertain than when you start a business. But I also think as well, you know, entrepreneurs aside, you know, when you've got your average Joes who work in a job for 25, 30, £35 grand a year, and my simplistic view is when you're in that job and you’re so unhappy. There's so many other jobs in the world, I'm not even talking about turning into an entrepreneur, trying to do anything super fancy.

00:07:44:06 - 00:08:05:03
Speaker 1
But if you're working in an office and you're depressed as fuck earning £25 grand a year. You could go work in a bar and earn 25 grand a year. or, you know, or you could probably monetize your hobby in some way. - but I don't know if I'm going to like it. that’s kind what you get all the time- I’m arguing with myself about it in a way!

00:08:05:06 - 00:08:28:16
Speaker 1
So many times it drives me insane as well, because I think the thing is as well, I think this whole concept of job security is fucking history. People stay in jobs because there’s a security. But I think now at this time, I’d think actually there's more certainty and there's more predictability and there is more security in actually being in charge of your own destiny.

00:08:28:16 - 00:08:49:10
Speaker 1
Because if I think about it like this, my team might be watching this right now because they’ll probably be doing some editing, chopping up. the reality is their job relies on me being good at mine. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? The reality is, if you're manufacturing widgets, your job relies on the sales team being good at their job. If they’re shit, you lose your job.

00:08:49:20 - 00:09:14:20
Speaker 1
So there's actually, for me jobs, there's less certainty, there's less known. there's less security. And I think that's a big thing as well. People think they’re secure and they're not. I mean, I think if anything, I mean, the last two, three, four or five years has to have shown - since 2020 especially! - and even, I guess even pre-COVID times.. the amount of big international institutions... I mean, I look at this from a business perspective as well.

00:09:14:20 - 00:09:45:22
Speaker 1
You know, when it comes to, my business is lending, is finance, property rated transactions. When I look at a guarantor from an international multinational company or when I look at a property that you might be looking to buy, with a national covenant in there who’s been- who’s traded 30- 300 stores for the 70 years, and people look at it and think that's that's whoever. I couldn’t give a fuck because, the amount of people that have been around for 70 years, 100 years plus and just disappear overnight

00:09:46:18 - 00:10:12:05
Speaker 1
like that. You know that for me, the only thing that is certain is uncertainty. Yeah, Yeah. And I think Robin's has a quote. Where he says something like, your success you have in your life is directly correlated to how much uncertainty you can comfortably handle. I think for an entrepreneur, apart from being able to sell honestly, it's that whole concept of if I can handle uncertainty then I’m... that that's the only thing I'm certain was that I can handle uncertainty.

00:10:13:02 - 00:10:30:20
Speaker 1
When you been self-employed for a long time, you know that, This is why I don't have no problem. If I start disliking what I’m doing now. I’d have no problem shutting it down because I've done that before. I’ve sold the business before. So it's not so you can't. We know that you can stop and start again. I think many people don't think we can stop and start again. they think that's it.

00:10:31:09 - 00:11:11:23
Speaker 1
This is me now. look, you mentioned obviously selling some businesses before, before we've kind of jumped into it going full throttle like most people. Let's take a quick rewind, and just... I never even got to read any of this. Looking at it before and I’m like, I wonder why Matt’s written stuff. Let’s just, I guess put a bit of context to you and your background. You're talking now with all these all this this confidence and these theories and these quotes, and the success and what you do for other people but obviously, that wasn't always you and I guess you just go back as early as you want to go and do it as quickly as you want to quickly.

00:11:12:10 - 00:11:42:15
Speaker 1
So I'll start. I'll start what I do right now, and then I'll kinda rewind on how I got to where I am right now. So right now, my main things are coaching... started of as a coaching married businessmen who need to get their shit together. And it’s somehow in the last two years, especially into working with anybody that wants to get their shit together and just because my profile blew up, I got a book deal with Harper Collins. Then women started like, wanna say gyrating... women started moving towards me.

00:11:43:02 - 00:12:09:13
Speaker 1
Men who weren't businessmen started moving towards me. And I do that through coaching online. Obviously, my book, I got my podcast and I speak all over the world. I have my live theater shows. Just a lot going on and I suppose I ended up here. My speaking coach hates it when I say this, but I ended up doing what I'm doing by accident. So if I rewind back to 2014, I'm living in Marbella, a four bedroom villa with a private pool, two year old son.

00:12:09:13 - 00:12:34:13
Speaker 1
My newborn baby was born there, Nina. Hot wife just married and running a business, supplement company that was bringing in great money, great money that I didn’t know what to do with. But I was suicidal. Why? Well, I could blame a couple of reasons. Probably the amount of coke I was sniffing. The amount of booze I was drinking. The amount of parties I was doing

00:12:34:13 - 00:12:51:24
Speaker 1
And had that always been a part of your life, or has it got progressively- only when I got successful, only when I started making money. Only when I didn't know what to do with this money. Only when I realized that I was the most successful out of all my friends and family probably put together. I didn't know anybody else that was making money. I didn't know anybody else

00:12:51:24 - 00:13:21:00
Speaker 1
that was... I didn't even know anyone else that was self-employed Matt. me, my business partner. And that was it. So it kind of there was those two things involved. What I can describe it as is when I was 21 and I weren’t self-employed and I set these goals of living this dream life this fucking 4 hour work week. I think that’s another thing. Four hour working thing, running this business, living in this place, nice car etc. etc. It didn't feel anything like what I thought it would when I set the goal.

00:13:21:15 - 00:13:40:18
Speaker 1
I was like this doesn't feel... is this it? Partly to boozing, partly to the cocaine, partly the... I was isolated so I didn't even know anybody in Marbella. I moved there because I kind of ran away from where I was. I hated everyone. I was like they’re so negative, they’re so toxic. All that bullshit. I cut all the toxic people out.

00:13:41:01 - 00:14:04:10
Speaker 1
The negative people that was actually only left with me because I don't believe in all that bullshit anymore. But I think what happened was I lost my sense of purpose. So it was like I climbed this ladder of success on the way up this ladder, I kicked people off. I’d sacrificed my mental health. I’d sacrificed my physical health. I was five stone overweight. I’d sacrificed

00:14:04:10 - 00:14:28:17
Speaker 1
my friendships, I’d sacrificed... almost sacrificed my marriage. Hadn’t spoke to my parents for like eight months or something. And then I got to the top of the ladder and it was like it was leaning against the wrong building. I was like, is this is this it? Is this what I want? And then while I was there, I was diagnosed bipolar and sent home because they didn't... In Spain, they didn’t know how to treat this bipolar shit, but we don't we don't treat it.

00:14:29:01 - 00:14:46:03
Speaker 1
You’ve got to think about from my wifes point of view as well. You got me having fucking breakdowns every other week like real meltdowns. You've got a two year old son and a newborn baby, and my wife didn't know anyone either, so she's like, We need to get home. So I went home. I was like, I'm going to get better.

00:14:46:11 - 00:15:12:05
Speaker 1
It actually got worse because I'm battering around with all my old friends again. I've got easier access to gear, easier access to booze, there’s more pubs, more dealers, etc., etc. so it actually got worse. And then December 17, 2014, was like the low point. That's when I was ready to kill myself. So I’m on, at this point, my wife's following me everywhere I go, so I go to volatile, so volatile, she didn't know what I was going to do.

00:15:12:15 - 00:15:26:07
Speaker 1
So she.. my son will be at school, nursery or something, preschool and she’ll have my daughter in the back of the car and every time I be at the house I slammed the door. She followed me. I didn't know she was following me. And then this one day, a been on a.. fucking hell, I must be on a three day bender

00:15:26:07 - 00:15:43:17
Speaker 1
and this one day I was like, I had enough. My whole thing was, no one gets it. No one understands me. No one would even care if I kill myself. I’ll isolate myself a lot at this point, there was like three phone numbers in my telephone mate. I shut down all of my social media accounts. Was your business still successful?

00:15:43:23 - 00:16:02:11
Speaker 1
Oh, the business was killing it. It didn't even need me. Didn't even need me. It was a it was a supplement company that didn't require a face. I think that was part of the problem so with supplement companies basically doing a lot of, you know what it's like. You try and sell some supplements, sell a lot of them because the market small and the business I had a business partner who was way smarter than me.

00:16:02:23 - 00:16:20:23
Speaker 1
And so I still make a lot of money at this point. Obviously, that doesn't help the problem either. And and then on this day, I just went I was like, I'm going to do it. So I drove down the coast, probably for about 2 hours. Driving up and down the coast - in Spain? - in South Shields. In South Shields, back home. I'm driving up and down the coast.

00:16:20:23 - 00:16:44:11
Speaker 1
We live on the coast and I just end up on this cliff and I'm like, I'm ready to do it. My wife's running up the cliff after me, running up these stairs after me to this place. And then she said to me, Paul, she actually this is mad she almost considered letting me do it, because I was in that much pain. I was in that much of a struggle.

00:16:45:09 - 00:17:04:22
Speaker 1
That, she didn't tell me about this until after. And she was like, should I just let him because you don't want to see someone suffering like that. should’ve just let him end his pain. And then she said to me, Think of the kids. and it's mad this. I said, I am. I am thinking about the kids, they’re better off without me, which is fucking insane if you think about it

00:17:04:22 - 00:17:24:10
Speaker 1
But mate, when you’re that low. when you're rock bottom like that. There is no logic. You're so caught up in your emotions and changing your emotions and hating the way that you feel. The logic disappears. But then she sent me something that fucking rocked me to the court. She said to me think about the kids. They’re growing up as those kids whose dad killed himself

00:17:24:10 - 00:17:44:13
Speaker 1
And that was like, that rocked me. That was like, Fuck, and then that woke me up. And then that led me on my journey to fucking hell, one of the first things I did was I booked on a course. ten day course in Laguna Beach, California, where the first thing you had to do was have a fight with a man on a beach.

00:17:44:24 - 00:18:13:16
Speaker 1
An actual fight? Who you’d never met, with boxing gloves on. And a gum shield in. But yeah, have an actual fight on a beach with a man you’ve never met. That was the first part of this mad thing. That was called Wake Up Warrior. I watched your video this morning actually, just in prep for this... er... J.. Jay, Gary... Gary J White. Gary J White it's funny because when I first started to kind of come across you know, big social media influencers, particularly business ones, his name popped up a couple of times but then I never really, ever saw him again.

00:18:13:19 - 00:18:41:13
Speaker 1
I never kinda knew what he was into, - you’re not fucked up enough. He only talks to people who are fucked up. - guy, you know, heard of him because he spoken to every Clickfunnels event, right? Yeah. So he's a big he's a big Russell Brunson guy. And so he that was the first one that kind of woke me up with some stuff. And then I just ended up the great thing about having a successful business that I was able to travel, I was able to go on courses and I was able to do Tony Robbins course, I was able to go and spend nine days in Germany.

00:18:41:13 - 00:19:05:24
Speaker 1
I was able to hire the coaches and just travel and try loads of things and make some things work and other, and I eventually just stumbled across a bit of a formula that worked for me. And then all that people started started noticing what I was doing. How have you lost five stone? How are you so different now? I’ll go speak at an event that was in fitness that was about supplements or whatever, how to build a successful fitness or health based business.

00:19:05:24 - 00:19:30:09
Speaker 1
I’d speak at them, people are like, Paul, what the fuck have you done? and then I ended up, here. but you never there was never an initial journey to become a coach. Yeah! This was just to fix you. You’ve gotta remember back in 2001, I was actually a personal trainer. I was a personal trainer until about 2009, 2010 when I start the supplement company, do I’d done a bit of coaching.

00:19:30:17 - 00:19:49:14
Speaker 1
But Garret would always tell me, Paul, You need to be, you, you journey's been so mad that you need to be helping other people. I was like, no no no, fuck other people, I still hated people. And then I just came to this realization that it wasn't people. I was- everywhere I went and there was these negative people and these vocal toxic people. There was always one common denominator and that was me.

00:19:50:12 - 00:20:07:10
Speaker 1
And then I was like, Oh, once I figured that I was actually, what the fuck am I doing? then I started speaking at events again. And then I ended up winning Master Coach of the Year two years running. And then this year we actually started our own coaching accreditation and it's all just gone a bit fucking nuts if I’m honest

00:20:07:20 - 00:20:23:02
Speaker 1
I don't realize this until until you asked me about- I don't know, people ask me all the time, Paul, do you ever look back? I’m like, not really. I don't ever look back and think, fucking hell, we’ve doing quite a bit. And on that day on the cliff. I mean, when you when your Mrs. talked you down, talked you back

00:20:23:03 - 00:20:44:05
Speaker 1
I mean was it, was it literally like a snap wake up at that point that you went home, you threw the booze down the drain- it was snap, wake up. But it wasn't smooth. It wasn't smooth. I mean, fucking hell mate, when you when you doing lines of coke off your desk in the middle of the day right before you jump on a fucking, can you remember Go To Webinar. Before Zoom, crushed that business.

00:20:44:05 - 00:21:01:12
Speaker 1
I'll be going on to Go To meeting and doing some coaching business clients that not not the coaching I'm doing now and I'll be having a fucking line of coke before I went on the call. So going from that to nothing was a big challenge for me. And it's funny enough, you mentioned boxing before it was boxing, that kind of woke me up a little bit because at this time mate, I was still on lithium.

00:21:01:22 - 00:21:25:03
Speaker 1
Lithium car- Lithium is a the gold standard medication for bipolar and it's fucking horrific. So I went from having these big highs to these horrendous lows of fucking nothing. So I was still doing lines of code so I could feel something because I couldn't, you’re like a zombie on this and on this medication. So then I started slowly getting my shit

00:21:25:03 - 00:21:45:16
Speaker 1
together. I started boxing. boxing was like, Oh shit, I’ve never fought before. And I got punched in the face by my friend who a boxing coach. I was like, fucking hell. I like a bit of this, and I ended up dropping all that weight and and then I, like I say, I went on this fucking mad journey found Jui Jitsu, started helping other people got a lot from seeing other people transform as well.

00:21:46:02 - 00:22:04:23
Speaker 1
I got off the lithium. This is how mad lithium was, by the way, don't ever come off medication without medical advice every week for six months. Had to taper off this, this medication and had to get me blood taken every single week for six months because if you just stop taking it, you die. Like, you quite literally... your liver fails and you die.

00:22:04:23 - 00:22:23:24
Speaker 1
And how long you've been on lithium for? because you say you only found out- maybe about a year? maybe about a year. - So when you found out you were bipolar. - they sent me straight home - and was the bipolar, was that, almost like a product of the coke and the problems or was it - they wouldn’t tell me that but I'm 100% convinced... put it this way.

00:22:24:00 - 00:22:49:15
Speaker 1
Right now, I don't take any medication. So I'm a bipolar? Who knows? I was never geting.. there was never any test. There's never any blood tests, just the, Yeah, you’re bipolar. Like questions. The problem was, if you are bipolar, you have these highs and lows. You have it's called a manic episode where you’re fucking off the map and you're doing all sorts of mad shit, like very confident shit that's like beyond confident.

00:22:49:15 - 00:23:11:16
Speaker 1
And then you've got these really bad laws or the reality is you’re in either one of those two moods. - but you don't feel like - So when you are - nah, but I do... if I don't manage my energy probably. If I went on a bender... it- do you know, I did this book with HarperCollins mate in 2020 and it was a long old book and we're recording the audiobook with a producer from ITV and a researcher from the BBC.

00:23:12:08 - 00:23:26:07
Speaker 1
And we’re doing this audio book and at the end of it, like I can see the people from HarperCollins are crying when I'm telling some of these stories because this is not just my story in there, it’s some of the people that I’ve helped. And they said to me at the end. A woman from the BBC Panorama. She said to me, Paul do you ever think you’d ever end up back on the cliff.

00:23:26:07 - 00:23:47:11
Speaker 1
I said 100%. If I go back to what I was doing then, and stop doing what I do now, 100% I’d end up back on the cliff. So I just don't - I don't think that I am bipolar. I think it was just a diagnosis that I was given, so who knows? But it was definitely a direct correlation between my lifestyle, my habits...

00:23:47:20 - 00:24:17:07
Speaker 1
I mean, listen, I didn't end up- I didn't end up on a fucking cliff by accident, do you know what I mean, that didn't happen by mistake. It happened through my nutritional habits, my behavioral habits, my thinking habits, my peer group habits, all of that shit added up. So yeah, I still often do get highs and lows, but that's just when I don’t manage my energy properly. I mean, who doesn’t have that? If you go and... listen if you don't speak on stage in front of fucking hell, if you speak on a stage in front of a thousand people, you've got to have a bit of a comedown after, even comedians

00:24:17:07 - 00:24:37:09
Speaker 1
do. Do you know what I mean? Does that mean I am bipolar? No, just means I need to manage my energy better. You mentioned some of the people you help, are these these presumably old people that come to you, asking for help you... my question would be, maybe almost like a stupid question or a dead end question, but how do you help someone who doesn't want to be helped? I don’t.

00:24:38:20 - 00:24:59:19
Speaker 1
Well, let’s say, hypothetically. you’re in a relationship and you know you're Mrs.. or your Mister. Yes, has got issues. Yes, great questions. It's actually a great question. You know, a you know that those issues are damaging the relationship, there’s going to be an end point to this soon, because one of you is going to break. Yep.

00:25:00:00 - 00:25:15:16
Speaker 1
Either you're going to naturally break or they're going to break even though they shouldn't do it because they just gonna get pissed off of being told what to do. how to do well. I think it's two things. The first part you just mentioned, I think that the reality is when you try and help somebody that hasn't asked for help, they’re gonna feel like you’re attacking them.

00:25:16:11 - 00:25:35:16
Speaker 1
So that's it. They'll instantly put their hands up. So I think and I get- funny enough mate, I get asked this question quite a lot by women whose husbands are struggling, and I'm like, I can't help your husband until he comes to me, until he reaches out and says, Can you help me? I can help him. So for your job now is just let him know you’re there, don't keep fucking lecturing him

00:25:35:16 - 00:25:55:11
Speaker 1
Because the more you lecturing, the more feels attacked. and the more he’ll go on the defensive, probably the more you'll do it. But secondly, I think you've got to- I think of help as an invitation. It's like an invitation to a party. I can give you the invitation, but it's up to you what you do with it. I remember when I first started doing this mate, people would pay me money and still not do what I told them to do.

00:25:56:00 - 00:26:12:24
Speaker 1
It'll still be keep up their old shit and it used to piss me right off and then I figured that out. Well, actually I can only- the old saying that you can't you can only lead a horse to water, can’t make it drink.. So I figured that out. But I think that the best invitation you can give somebody is the invitation of example.

00:26:13:17 - 00:26:31:16
Speaker 1
Do you know what I mean? like, If I have an example, I call it the lighthouse. So if I’m a lighthouse. A boat wants to come into water, that's cool. But I’m not gonna tug the boat trying to drag everybody into shore or drag everybody into port. That's exhausting for me. And if the fucking other boat doesn't want to come in, it's going to help me as well.

00:26:32:00 - 00:26:58:08
Speaker 1
So I think the best way to help somebody that doesn't want to be help is to be the fucking example. Say I want a piece of that. You talk about the fact you lost five stone. If you- how important do you see fitness in the overall battle - if you got all the other bits right, But you were you were still a fatty or what .. I guess it's still an improvement, but do you think you could ever truly pull all the other pieces together without the fitness parts?

00:26:58:08 - 00:27:19:06
Speaker 1
Absolutely. Absolutely. Because- so you could pull it together? Absolutely. Not without the fitness part. I think the fitness parts critical. And I think it's it's not about having a six pack. It's not about running fucking marathons. Nobody wants to talk about this. It's really weird this. everyone things in the UK especially, it’s like, Oh, just talk. Like fucking talking doesn’t cook rice mate.

00:27:19:20 - 00:27:38:22
Speaker 1
I mean, I remember seeing a show, Harry Redknapp was in it and it had the likes of Paul Merson. All the guys that finished... Neil Ruddock. all these guys that finished playing football and that was it played in my celebrity golf day. Really. Bag of shit 50... 50 non-celebrity non-athletic punters who were all in much better nick than fucking him.

00:27:38:22 - 00:28:05:08
Speaker 1
Yeah. Mad isn’t it? He is fucking terrible. So these and this show was about how talking and opening up changes things but then everyone went out on the piss after. like come on talking might be a start but it doesn't really change anything. So the point that I'm trying to get across is right now because I'm not, I haven't drunk this year at all, so I'm doing a full year without booze and I'm trying not to sound like a fucking vegan CrossFitter

00:28:05:08 - 00:28:39:06
Speaker 1
When I talk about this. But even now, really don’t wanna sound like a vegan CrossFitter... mental health needs physical support. Like you can't have one without the other. Think about this for a second, right? And I learned this in August. If thoughts are the- thoughts are the language of the brain. Feelings are the language of the body. So most people want to feel great, want to feel better, so if you experience emotions through your body, why would you treat it like shit and then wonder why you to feel like shit? It’s fucking... do you know what I mean, there's an old saying that I love as well, which you can- I think it’s

00:28:39:10 - 00:28:56:22
Speaker 1
Robin Sharma, you can't be legendary if you have no energy like I think energy is such a big deal. Like nothing's going to change until you change your energy. So the answer to that is, and I don't fix even the right word, but I mean, I think it's more of an energy thing. Like people talk about, Oh I’m unmotivated.

00:28:56:22 - 00:29:32:12
Speaker 1
I'm like, what’s your energy like on a scale of 1 to 10, is it a 2? Well, it's not motivation that’s your problem. It's your fucking energy, start there. Do you know you know, JP, JP de Villiers. I do. JP is very good friend of mine. Isn’t he moving to Thailand or something? He’s in Thailand, he’s in Thailand at the moment. Has he become a monk or something? Is it he's a he's well he's not a much I guess technically he's a monk because he's become a monk but he's not gone to be a monk - right - he's he's gone... stumble into a monk. He’s gone through monkdom or whatever you call it. see he went and did like a like a three week initiation

00:29:32:16 - 00:29:54:12
Speaker 1
course or something - ahhh - that’s probably said completely wrong. And he's always been into some of these silent retreats and monk retreats and stuff before. But he's actually now gone and done the, you know, the full mashings where he's been ordained or whatever it is. But I've known JP for probably 4 years that we met on my podcast and became very, very good friends after that

00:29:54:23 - 00:30:27:07
Speaker 1
He’s a guy... we WhatsApp a lot. We probably only see each other physically two or three times a year. It's always is always super high quality energy time And he's, you know, he's really pushed me on I guess in my fitness journey exercising. It’s funny because we all have our different motivations, or those different kind of turning points. I've always exercised. I play tennis, I do boxing, do a bit of weights, but I've never - I would have always said I would have always said, I've never been in bad- in terrible shape.

00:30:27:07 - 00:30:54:12
Speaker 1
Yeah, but you know, I always used to say, well I'd rather couple bottles of wine than a six pack. And it’s all a choice. And we talk about our dark moments, I’ve never actually actually said it out loud or in this content. about - I’ve lost track of time! About eight months ago, nine months ago, I’m away with the missus, we’ve not been getting on good at all. We were having a shag, I finish off.

00:30:54:12 - 00:31:18:21
Speaker 1
And I look at her and she's like looking at me like a piece of shit. And I’m like.. and the energy was never good at the time. I was like, What's what's up? She goes.. I’m just looking at you, you’re just so fucking fat - oh! shit.. wow. I was like, Oh hello! - Hello! I was probably a bit defensive. And you’ve got your floppy cock out, a snotty rifle and I can't think of anything.

00:31:19:01 - 00:31:42:07
Speaker 1
She may as well have stabbed you in your heart. and I was getting defensive about it. I'm not surprised. A, A, because of the way the message is delivered but I guess B, Because I just never really particularly see myself like that. And she was, you’ve got a double chin and you’ve got a round face, you know, I've just I've never been in a relationship with someone who’s as out of shape as you.

00:31:42:18 - 00:32:03:23
Speaker 1
I'm embarrassed to show you to my family you know. I was like, whoa! And for me, that was a point where I was on the verge was I could have very easily two ways to ask. And I could have I could have gone, You know what? Fuck you. But, you know, it's it's time for you to jog on. I'm just not going to be treated or spoken to like that.

00:32:03:23 - 00:32:24:06
Speaker 1
Yes, but I kind of went my other way, let’s say a bit extreme. It's I was just I tell you what, you think I’m fat? I’m gonna lose so much fucking weight, I said there’ll be birds dropping off my fucking dick all summer! and you will wish you had a fat cunt for a fellow. And we were skiing at the time and we went downstairs in the ski chalet

00:32:24:06 - 00:32:45:03
Speaker 1
I take a few friends and investors and there’s like 10 of us having dinner that the chefs bringing out the food. He’s putting all the food in front of me, you know, I’m pushing it to one side, and she’s like, what you doing? Why are you not eating? I'm not eating?! I've just had you tell me what a disgusting guy I am to shag.. because I’m so fat. And I kinda went away from there.. from that point.

00:32:45:11 - 00:33:13:24
Speaker 1
And, you know, I mean, I was never a big drinker. I'm not a big drinker, I like my red wine, I’m not into spirits and beer stuff, but cut down the booze dramatically. I mean, I think I tried to make simple changes so sustainable less.. no chocolate, less bread, less carbs. And I also started to see a doctor over here because probably a tangent from the conversation but you know, over 40...

00:33:14:05 - 00:33:36:23
Speaker 1
Oh got you on TRT? I’ve had a life changing experience on TRT. all kinds of bits and bobs. Yeah. And it's funny, because I since I've done all that stuff, I mean I'm, I'm seven, eight months into this now, I've dropped thick end of ten kilograms - nice man! - thank you very much! I've got, I've got an ab fighting through the fat. So I'm going I was a 36 waist and I wear 32s now - nice.

00:33:37:14 - 00:33:55:24
Speaker 1
So much more energy, definitely from the fitness, but also also from the TRT. the other bits. It’s funny because when I go back to England now I see my friends or people who notice a difference much more because obviously because you're see less of me, and then they're all so, fucking hell, what you been doing?

00:33:55:24 - 00:34:18:20
Speaker 1
I said, Listen, some lifestyle changes, but have to have to say I just tell it. Tell it. Get your wife to tell you that you're a fat cunt. you're that's just all. It's a wake up call. You're the most disgusting guy she’s ever shagged. But. But you must look into, as an over 40 or whatever, look into hormone replacement.

00:34:18:20 - 00:34:37:11
Speaker 1
Look, just look into getting your bloods and seeing what your problems are. Everyones like, pulls a face- what you fucking talking about? You're going to be injecting shit. You take this idea. Well, listen, take it from me. Who - all my mates are - I'm never into drugs, you know, I've never.. I’ve tried stuff. I've never had any interest in it whatsoever.

00:34:37:16 - 00:34:55:23
Speaker 1
And so you're taking this from a guy who doesn’t go near drugs, don't really drink much. I'm telling you, this stuff is fucking amazing, by the way. It's nothing your body's not naturally should be. Anyone should be on that. It'll be on the NHS and, well, men's depression. I mean, 100% in the next. I don't know whether it's two years, five years, ten years, it will be as mainstream

00:34:55:24 - 00:35:29:03
Speaker 1
It will- as something like Botox. I mean you look at Botox and filler five, six, seven, ten years ago, it will be, you know, the guy that helped me. You remember Ross Tompkins, Ross Physio, you know, he is... you’ll know who he is. he started a company that does this and mate, I have had like real double testosterone almost triple my testosterone. what, what what was so what was your level? is we got my levels with my levels when I first, when I was 15 and the doctor, I was like, you're right on.. that’s shouldn’t be give you a 15

00:35:29:10 - 00:35:49:11
Speaker 1
And then a couple of months later, it's not what I don't know, the score was 15 and then I was like 12. Now the last time I got a text, I was 31. So we must be looking talking about a different scale because the blood's that I have. It says that the 800 is what, as a 20, 20, 21 year old, you would probably have like an 800 level

00:35:49:11 - 00:36:15:08
Speaker 1
Yeah. Mine was 400. But I think I also didn’t understand the importance of testosterone, which I don’t think any layman does because when you talk about testosterone. You would think, oh it’s the shagging hormone. Telling you mate, my wife’s sick of it now Now I'm going to tell you what I do, which is to say I don't have a testosterone, - shagging a couple times a day - how can I have testosterone problem because that's how I was simplified when we talked about that.

00:36:15:08 - 00:36:32:19
Speaker 1
When you understand that testosterone is there you Know for energy, for the redistribution of fat for all the other stuff. So you see the importance. But but but when I when I first started taking, I would taking like a topical gel, not injection. Yeah. We’d just got off in Mexico at the time. And it got to the point where the missus was cowering in the fucking corner. Just fucking leave me alone, please.

00:36:32:21 - 00:36:51:01
Speaker 1
You ask for this! You know what the maddest part of it is? It's a the thing I tell the lads it's all about it's. There's no such thing as a quick wank anymore. Know what I mean? Just have a quick wank. There's no such thing as a quick wank, it’s a fucking workout these days. But the bit that the thing that I've found to be the best sleeps improved.

00:36:51:01 - 00:37:17:22
Speaker 1
But the second thing is that’s improved the most is my recovery between training sessions because I'm 42 year old guy sparring jujitsu with guys that were 19 and 20. So I've gone from be able to do maybe two or three sessions, five or six sessions a week, which for me has been transformative for my physical health. But also my mental health, because jujitsu is just it's where it's at for me, it's where it's at. Talking about mental health, bit a tangent and I’d like your view on this

00:37:17:22 - 00:37:40:12
Speaker 1
as someone, I guess A, who’s suffered it and B who sees people, I mean, I sometimes very flippantly say I think mental health is used, used as a bit of a perhaps an excuse excuse to too many times nowadays it almost feels like particularly with young people, everyone you meet suffers from anxiety. Says they’ve got bipolar, says they've got some kind of mental health, mental health issues.

00:37:40:20 - 00:38:07:16
Speaker 1
And like, I think, you know, ultimately it's almost taking away from the people who truly , almost trivialising - everyone thinks that they’ve got these things like you catch them. You don’t catch them, they're all created. You don't catch anxiety. It's not something that you have. Depression is not something that you catch. It’s not something you have, it’s not fucking contagious. Both of those conditions are created and created through your physiology.

00:38:07:16 - 00:38:31:17
Speaker 1
Your body. Obviously. That's why you feel things. And their created through what your focused on. And there's one thing that the people that speak to me about depression and it's particularly people that are suicidal. These people are focused on the past, they’re not... they don't have a compelling future. They don't see a future that they're excited about, haven't created goals, a mission.

00:38:32:00 - 00:38:48:06
Speaker 1
Something to get fucking stuck into, an animal to hunt, mean so they can't see that. So it's almost impossible for them to feel excited. They're not sure how to do it either. People are sure now do that everyone I speak to, I like, What do you want in the world right now? Nothing, making it to Friday. It's not enough, is it?

00:38:48:15 - 00:39:08:17
Speaker 1
But you know as well, and it may sound like a gross oversimplification, all this conversation or all this coaching, but I really do think if you have that goal, you know, maybe one in work, maybe one at home, but if you’ve got a goal or two, big goals to fight towards, almost 90% of everything falls into place. You can just go after the goals and not like like I'm in a part of your life.

00:39:08:17 - 00:39:26:07
Speaker 1
Like, I’m gonna set that goal. I don't hit it. It's almost like I'm okay. I like a chase I want to get excited about because you think about most goals that you hit. This is gonna sound mental. They’re almost always a little bit of a letdown and never feel good for a few minutes or a few hours and then you like, right, what's next?

00:39:27:06 - 00:39:46:19
Speaker 1
Because I love that. What's next part? I love the chase of it. So I like to have the journey that’s as exciting as the destination, because the destination is almost always a letdown. Particularly when it comes to money. Aye! Once you’ve done a mill... I’m nicking JP's words because it was something he said to me in a conversation we're having about this.

00:39:46:19 - 00:40:05:13
Speaker 1
But he was saying, If you can't be happy without money, You'll never you'll never be happy, happy with money. And I was tlaking about it in context of cars and I was kind of thinking when I first started in the business, you know, it was always it was always monetary goals and financial gains. I wanted to get to where I was in the moment that business lives and die - money

00:40:05:18 - 00:40:30:02
Speaker 1
You know what I mean? Is, is it was kind of my my only focus, my only endgame. I want to buy a Ferrari, I want to buy a Rolls Royce. And every time I bought them within I mean, even the actual buying, but probably wasn't as excited thought would be. But the driving moment was even more of a letdown that. And literally within two or three days or a week or two, these, these cars would be fucking my car.

00:40:30:02 - 00:40:54:13
Speaker 1
But browsing the phone and thought, well, obviously every time I buy you guys, this is the one I'm going to look after, I’m gonna get it valeted every week. Next thing I know, it's fucking McFlurry pots in the footwell! My mates always describing who he is as like I've never known someone with such nice cars who treats it with such disrespect. I’m the same! I never did to - chewing gum in the backseat and everything

00:40:54:22 - 00:41:15:17
Speaker 1
But, but it's, you know, using it as the example. It's that's why it is so important to have have more I guess more meaningful things than the money. I’m absolutely not trivialising money, I fucking love money, and without without it, we can’t do all the things we wanna do. But you've got to have a purpose other than the money is like you've got to have the things that you want to spend it.

00:41:16:02 - 00:41:32:01
Speaker 1
Yeah, I think also the thing, the benefit that I've got on this is like a superpower inside of my business that I have is that. My income is directly correlated to how many people help like.. I mean, we have a lot of people we have a lot of shit. I get a bit of shit for doing what I do, but I'm like

00:41:32:01 - 00:41:51:05
Speaker 1
hang on a second I do for free Q+As almost every day on Instagram. I do free Q+As on Facebook all the time. Hundreds and hundreds of videos up for free, I’ve got three books that are free. I've got an audiobook that’s free with an audible trial, -- with that I get nothing of anymore. the only thing I charge for is coaching.

00:41:51:08 - 00:42:12:20
Speaker 1
So. So it just so happens I have hundreds, thousands of people for free. Hundreds of people that you pay program. So it's kind of the side effect of being very good at what I do and helping so many people that I get. I get rewarded beautifully for it- and that allows me to get people like Tyson Fury on my podcast. People think I pull that -- for free like no, that was it.

00:42:13:21 - 00:42:31:17
Speaker 1
To be fair you couldn't pay him to get him on your podcast. Steven Bartlett, can't get him on his podcast. But I know his manager, but I still had to put some skin in the game. I can't do things like that without money. Funny enough the only people that ever kick off about the money thing, are the people who don’t have any

00:42:32:22 - 00:42:54:21
Speaker 1
D’you know what I'm saying. Well, it’s only people who kick off that fitness isn’t important are fat people, it’s a parallel in any- it's always a people who haven’t got something that say how unnecessary or how how you know whatever the word yeah the thing is I go straight back to them and do you work for free? there’s never an answer. Well you make money out of people struggle.

00:42:54:22 - 00:43:24:05
Speaker 1
I'm like, no I'm not. There's loads of free shit here. There's a free book - But if you want the time, you want to take me away from a family, which would you want to You want to take me away from my family. That's the cost of money. It's weird that people don't get that. I think it’s also, there’s a big it's almost like an attitude of entitlement. Not entitled to all of my time If you want if you want to take me away from my family, then put skin in the game just like you would expect your your employer to do.

00:43:25:03 - 00:43:40:24
Speaker 1
So weird - but whatever your business is, you know whether you’re building offices or whether you’re coaching people or whether your fixing toilets. Like you say, what was I wasn't even doing I just think I do it for free. You probably do as well. you do enough for free. I’ve put out enough free content, I’ve put out enough free books. I give my time

00:43:40:24 - 00:44:00:15
Speaker 1
up for fucking charities for free, and I think, you know, with pretty much anyone who’s out there who’s a coach, who’s an influencer in some kind of way. Yeah pretty much all of their content is actually very well out there for free. it's in emails, it's YouTube videos, whatever you know if you if you got the I guess if you've got the the time, the motivation so you can go away.

00:44:00:15 - 00:44:22:13
Speaker 1
I mean, there's nothing you can’t learn nowadays for free. I, I think ultimately you pay someone either for speed because, help sort through the videos quicker, or you know put them in some kind of speed - or access - or because you want that, you want to take advice and contextualize it to yourself. I mean, I've done a few of the Grant Cardone boot camps, I did a bit of a 1 on 1 coaching stuff with him.

00:44:23:06 - 00:44:41:10
Speaker 1
Is there anything he told me one on one that I can't read in one of his books about? No, not really. But, you know, I guess you’re doing it because you get to have that 1 on 1 specific is, you know, what do you get?. Think about is just putting skin in the game makes it more I knew you were going to do the work.

00:44:41:10 - 00:44:59:10
Speaker 1
I just think because it made an investment of money, you want to return on your investment so you're more likely to do the work. 100%. how many people have you coached now then over the years. Over a thousand (?) do they have like a community or something as well though? So yeah, because I don't do any 1 on 1 coaching

00:44:59:10 - 00:45:21:19
Speaker 1
all of my programs are group so they all go in their little groups, they have their own little WhatsApps They have their own little meet ups. they’ll have their own nights out. And we have our own, we have our team, that Christmas ball we did. A hundred of us did the original SAS selection course, which is the van dance (?), fully weighted

00:45:22:06 - 00:45:45:09
Speaker 1
And then we do maybe do all sorts of because I just think community you know, community is critical like you know I mean especially if you’re from somewhere like where I'm from where there's nobody around but I actually think also that you kind of... the results that you have of your life are a result of your peer group. It makes people I think it makes you more likely to stick with all the changes made.

00:45:45:09 - 00:46:03:18
Speaker 1
And of course it does. I think so many people I mean, so many people are trying to make changes, but the peer group is a direct correlation but sorry, direct competition to their goals. So they're on their own. They've got friends are like, Yeah, right. I'm not drinking, I better get in shape, I’m gonna start this business. I'm going to double my business, I'm going to get a handle on my mental health.

00:46:03:18 - 00:46:23:18
Speaker 1
I'm going to start meditating, I'm going to start a journey. But then none of the friends do it and then the wonder why they keep going back over here. And I would never say drop your friends. And I think for me, I still have all my oldest friends but I just have other peer groups just.. I have masterminds, I have jujitsu gym is all groups, I have training partners that I train with, I have a PT

00:46:24:08 - 00:46:46:17
Speaker 1
I have all these different peer groups. You still have all your old friends who were the caners and the boozers and the real problem people as well. I don't expect them to change. I just spend less time with them. Have any of them wanted to change or made changes after seeing you? Say a few of them have. I won’t say any of them started a business or anything but a few of them, the CEO got -

00:46:46:17 - 00:47:03:23
Speaker 1
I suppose my thing is they'll come. They were the first people to buy tickets on my first ever live show. I did a thousand people at the Newcastle Times Theater last year and they were the first people that bought tickets. to support me, managers will pull. There's no one on your guest list. I said, what you mean?

00:47:03:23 - 00:47:23:16
Speaker 1
Do you not wanna invite your mates and that? what you think I'm giving them plus free tickets. No he's like well not even your mum and dad? I said , well my mum and dad can have free tickets. But everyone else is fucking paying. Yeah. So there are I mean they're all very supportive. We don't see when I first started doing it. You still doing that weird meditation shit?

00:47:23:16 - 00:47:45:08
Speaker 1
Still doing that journey are you? but now they don't. Even if I go on online, I don't drink. I think - are you tea, and you’re not tea total, you're just having a year off the booze. Aye. And the funny thing is, I said it last year, and funny enough, I was coming back from Dubai. January 4th or something it was and I said to my wife. I’m not gonna drink this year. She says, what for? because I only drank five times a year, six maybe.

00:47:45:15 - 00:48:05:08
Speaker 1
So once a quarter, I’ll have a drink at the end of every quarter. Is that because it’s a heavy drink? As in you cane? Not caning, maybe five or six pints when you only drink once a quarter, that is caning it. But just because it makes me feel shit and it just celebrating the end of a quarter. You know, it’s 90 days, 90 days

00:48:05:20 - 00:48:28:14
Speaker 1
And then I said that. And she was like, what for? I just wanna see if I can. I set some big goals. And I'm like, if I'm going to hit these two things that’ll stop me- getting sick. And energy and booze was probably the number one contributor to those two things. And I wasn't in bed for days -?- Just be operating- Not the week. I'll be operating at like 20% I haven’t got time for that. I've just built a life.

00:48:28:14 - 00:48:44:10
Speaker 1
Funny thing is, I did a podcast on this one. One of my most popular podcasts where I said I’ve built my life where boozing would be the most boring thing that I could do. Like I have a life. It feels electric. Like it's not like getting to a weekend. People be like, What are you doing this weekend? And I'm not saying I'm not drinking

00:48:44:20 - 00:49:10:21
Speaker 1
I'll be going to a match here, I'll be going to the UFC there. I'll be going there and I'll be doing, I'll be jumping off a fucking mountain mate, or I’ll be jumping out of a plane there or I'll be doing this big client always doing shit. always doing shit. So someone said, would you not you not do not find it boring like not going to the pub on a night out. even if I was drinking because I filled my life full of things that are more exciting than boozing.

00:49:10:21 - 00:49:37:20
Speaker 1
But when you say 20%, couple of days of the boozing, it's amazing. Maybe it's because we get older. I don't know. It's the effect that the alcohol. I’m not like a big drinker. Like I say, I only drink red wine really. yes I love to have a couple of glasses, or whatever but if I nowadays if I have to say two glasses, two and a half glasses on a night... obviously not remotely pissed. Yeah. I wake up the next day

00:49:37:20 - 00:49:58:06
Speaker 1
feeling so groggy. So slow. It’s funny as well. I've had a few issues on at work that last week or two.. Yeah, very, very stressed. And one of them got resolved about two nights ago. the missus had gone out and I thought, you know what? I just need something to celebrate that resolve. I'm not going to drink because I feel like shit, you know, I’m gonna go and have a proper curry

00:49:58:17 - 00:50:24:08
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So I walked out to the marina, find this nice little curry house. Sat on my own, ordered two big starters. Fucking come on! Eating all this, even two days later, I was saying to - this morning when we were in the boxing gym. Fuck hell, I wish I’d have had two bottles of wine instead. You’re body just gets used to the shit. When I was 18, when I was 18, I could go out 10 pints.

00:50:24:08 - 00:50:51:19
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5 Jagerbombs, fucking three Es, gram of coke, get in at 5am, turn up for football, score a fucking worldie, get man of the match and then be fine. I get in at 5am and getting man of the match 11am and that has to be the quote is the real pull I, I was I was a long time ago. Listen Paul, I could sit and talk for hours and hours and it's been a long time

00:50:51:19 - 00:51:11:13
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coming. Been great to have you here. And I really hope we can - thank you so much mate - do a round two. Thanks a lot for having me! But guys, if you’ve enjoyed listening, which I'm sure you've enjoyed listening and watching as much as I've enjoyed talking to Paul. Paul where can we find you? Best place is Instagram, at paulmort1. You can find me on YouTube, you can find me on Spotify. Podcast called Paul Mort Talks Shit.

00:51:12:07 - 00:51:33:06
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And you can find it on that cesspit known as Facebook as well. And guys as always, I’m TheMattHaycox, T H E M A T T H A Y C O X on pretty much all my social channels. If you’ve watched this, you can listen to the audio ones where unfortunately you don't get to see my pretty face. You can, you can drive along in your car, you can find me on iTunes, on Spotify and all the ways you listened to your podcast.

00:51:33:10 - 00:51:52:16
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If you've been listening to this, you can watch video versions too on YouTube, Insta, TikTok wherever else you want to find me. Till next time, I've been Matt Haycox, He's been Paul Mort. I will see you on another episode of The Matt Haycox Show - Peace out!