1256 - Katie is Sleeping with a Married Man and his Wife?!

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Okay, today I have on Katie and she called in because she was like, oh, you know, I'm dating this married guy and his wife. Okay, that's the title of the episode. But let me tell you, the way the story unfolds is super interesting because Katie like comes in saying one thing and then I ask her more questions and I get so much information.

I talk about how she's like just very naive to her own story and her own background. And so the story unfolds in such an interesting way because of that. Does that make sense? I think I used the word interesting too much. But anyway, this is like such a great episode. She, yeah, she is seeing a married guy and she sees the wife too. Mostly him, but her too. They all have sex. She's done a lot of stuff in her past.

the stuff that unfolds in a crazy way. How did she find out the guy was married? Was he upfront about it at first? What exactly do they do? What has she done in her past? She's going to answer. All those questions. I'm not going to tell you... any of this stuff now because I don't want to ruin it I want you to be as surprised with all of the stuff as I was because like I said one of the most entertaining things about the story was the way it unfolded do not worry I get

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Hey, Katie, welcome to the Strictly Anonymous podcast. How are you today? I'm good, thanks. How are you? Good. I know because we spoke a little bit before that you're hiding out in a... parking lot talking to me I don't know I don't know why I don't know cheating sex in parking lots and people calling me up in parking lots there's nothing more funny to me only because I think like you know people driving by would just like never have any idea what you're doing

Exactly. So anyway, Katie, you are calling in. What I know about you is that you are... quote unquote girlfriend to a swinger couple so like I'm assuming you're a unicorn but when you say you're a girlfriend I'm like maybe this is also a poly thing going on what is the deal with the swinger couple in you yeah so That's kind of my role in their relationship is they refer to me as their girlfriend. We've been connected, I guess, a little over two years now. And, yeah, so...

He and I met individually and kind of hit it off. And I met his wife maybe three or four weeks later. And the three of us have been friends ever since. friends quote-unquote like a hookup friend right yeah so so typically he and i he and i play together most she and i don't necessarily interact a great deal but the three of us spend time together we

all hang out as a little trio. Sometimes we get together and there's no sex involved at all. It's more like a friendship. But yeah, that's kind of where we're at.

Okay, so let's start at the beginning. How old are you too? Because you sound super young. I don't know how old you're going to sound when I change your voice, but without the voice change, you sound really young. And then tell me how old they are and then start the story off how you met him. So, so I'm 40 actually. Oh my God. You sound like you're 23. Yeah. So I'm 40 and he's 45 and she's 35. Okay. Yeah.

So when we met, I met him, we had matched on a dating app. And I had never considered anything non-monogamous before, ever. I grew up... really expecting that like you know a goal was to find my person and to get married and that was going to be it forever and and so when when we met it was like the

And this sounds so cheesy, but it really was like the best first date I had ever been on. When we matched and we were, you know, chit-chatting back and forth and a couple of phone calls and just really hit it off. And when we finally met in person, it was just... You know, it was a great night and ended with, we ended up hooking up in the backseat of his car in the parking lot. Oh, my favorite. Before we drove home. So, you know.

But at the time, I had no idea he was married. He did not disclose that, which for people in the lifestyle, when they find out about that, it's kind of frustrating. Most people are a little more... open about their situation before meeting up with anybody else. But yeah, like I said, I didn't know until the next day when he said, you know, hey, sorry, I lied.

I'm actually married. We're swingers. She knows about everything. I understand if you don't want to talk to me again, but I hope that you'll at least hear me out. And yeah, like I'll give you a call when I get off work. That was the text message I got. Wait, but before you fast forward after that, I just want to analyze this part of things. Sure. So how did...

That's a little fucked up, right? I think. A hundred percent. And like, so how did you initially feel? Like he says that, is that like a sucker punch to you? Because like you just fucked him in the car in the back seat. Yeah. No, absolutely. When we met after this date, I thought, oh, my God, like, this is the guy. You know, it was like, I mean, it was that great of a first date. Right.

I got, and then after, you know, we hook up in the backseat of his car and we, you know, had to drive individually home and he called me on the way home and we talked the entire way home and we talked until we went to bed that night. Like it was. such a great night and so then when he sent me that text message the next day that just said hey yeah you know here's the deal I was I was devastated

I mean, and that's like not even an exaggeration. I was devastated. Of course, because here you are a girl on a dating app, a woman, right? You're 40, you're single. So you're looking... most likely on that dating app, not just for a fuck buddy. He's in your age range. You're thinking, I want a relationship. You have the best date ever. So in your girl mind, this is how all girls are, me included, every other girl listening. You're like, oh,

this is my guy. This is the one I'm going to be with. Everything is so perfect. You know, all the stars align. That's hard to find. It's not easy for anybody, I think, to find that person that you have that. great first date where everything lines up and everything clicks.

And it did with him to the point where you did fuck him in the backseat. Like, no, let me ask you this because everybody has different rules and regulations. And I'm like, oh, you know, how did it wind up that you guys... fucked in the car like were you at a bar or were you at did you have dinner together and then you went in the car yeah so we had met up just to have a quick drink at a we were at a restaurant

that had a bar attached to it so we were sitting at the bar and we you know having a drink and then you know we just kind of clicked and so then we ordered some some food and we had a couple more drinks and yeah so we ended up being there for hours yeah and

And then, yeah, we walked out to the parking lot to head home and kind of started making out. And then, yeah, and then ended up in the backseat. Right. And you went all the way. Totally had sex with them. Did you use a condom? I just have to ask.

Yes, yeah, that time we did. Okay, so you wind up in the backseat. It's just hot and heavy. You just get taken with it, and it's so great, and the chemistry is there that you bang him. In the backseat, he's texting you, and like you said, you struck gold because here he is.

It's not like he just like blew you off. He's now he's texting you. He's like, right. The sex was great. Yeah. Yes. So, yeah. And, you know, yeah. And then when I went to bed that night, I knew he had to work the next morning. So, you know, we had talked on the phone all the way home, you know, until we got in bed. And then...

He had said he would text me the next day when he got off work, which is when he sent me the text that said, you know, hey, sorry. Oh, my God. Yeah. And included in that text was... Hey, and actually now I have to work overtime, so I'm not going to be able to, you know, call until after six. And so I had to sit there for about five or six hours.

sitting on this text message. Yeah, that was the second thing that I thought was like fucked up that and that's very, you know, guy like behavior. Sorry, guy. Okay, I'll yell at me, but you know, you do it.

okay i once was told very bad news from a guy that i was with it was like probably the worst news i could have got uh and he told he was like meet me at starbucks and i'm like this is a little weird because he doesn't drink coffee right and then we meet at starbucks and he's like let's go for a walk

there's literally a blizzard outside a blizzard outside of New York City like stage four blizzard like stay home we're walking and then he tells me the worst news I've ever heard I'm like why the fuck are you me this out here and you know why they're doing that because they're so afraid of the confrontation that they do whatever they can to not have it I was like that's bullshit and that's what that guy did that's why he sent you that text because he's like okay she's gonna

freak out when I tell her. So let her freak out and give her five hours before. So then, you know, by the time I talked to her, I could hopefully clean up this mess. They're so obvious. All right. Yes.

Well, it does work because he did get you back. So, okay. So five hours goes by. Now, let me ask you this typical girl question. Did you, had you like... texted your friends and been like oh my god I had the best date with this guy then now you have to tell him that like the next day he texted you like did anyone go on this ride with you or did you keep this all yourself to yourself no at this point I had not

I had not talked to anybody about the date. Okay. At that point. Okay. Yeah. Okay. So it's a big secret. You know, now you're sucker punched. He tells you you're waiting five hours and then what happens? Yeah. So then, you know, he had said, Hey, I'll give you a call when I get off work. You know, if you answer, great, and we'll talk. If you don't, I understand, and, you know, I'll leave you alone. And so I, by the time he called me, I answered, but you know how, like,

Sometimes you're just, you had almost, I had almost so many questions and so many things I wanted to say. You don't really know even where to start. Like that's, that's how I felt. I just didn't even know where to begin. And so, yeah, he called and just said, I'm sure, you know, you're mad, which obviously I was mad. And then he just kind of let me know how their relationship...

And I had never, I'd probably met people who were swingers or who were at least sort of in the periphery of a lifestyle like that, but just didn't know it. So he was the first person I ever had really... spoken to who was a part of any lifestyle that wasn't just this sort of monogamous thing that I expected everyone did and so you know he kind of let me know how their relationship works and

He clarified some statements he had made on our date. You know, like, I knew he had been involved in the lifestyle previous, in, like, a previous relationship. I did not know, obviously, that he was currently involved. And so... Yeah, basically the way that it works for the two of them is they play together, but they also play separately. So when they opened up their relationship...

He had been in the relationship or he had been in the lifestyle before and she had not been. And so when they opened up their relationship and kind of started experimenting together. What worked for her was to have more long-term people on the side that she hung out with and hooked up with. And then he had never really had a situation like that. He preferred to have people.

that were just sort of casual connections that didn't stick around too terribly long. And then they actually moved closer to where I live from down in Southern California up to NorCal, and that's when I met them. And so I think he was kind of thinking along those same lines that it would end up being this more casual, short-term connection. And after we talked a little bit more and I kind of got over the initial...

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And so I think he was kind of thinking along those same lines that it would be... it would end up being this more casual, short-term connection. And after we, you know, talked a little bit more and I, you know, kind of got over the initial anger that I was feeling, yeah, we've been, you know...

hooking up or whatever for a little over two years now okay but before you get to the end of the story let's stick it where it is right now so he tells you and you know when you start out that conversation you're really mad uh did he give you a reason why he didn't tell you I mean it's like a classic bait and switch I mean but did he tell you like did he explain why what was his reasoning his reasoning was because he didn't think that I would

have met him you know I would have never met him in person which would have been true you know like I had never considered anything outside of a monogamous relationship before ever So yeah, I definitely would not have met up with him. So he felt like instead of doing what I think typical people would do in the lifestyle, which is like put an ad out. within that community so people know exactly what they're getting. He went out, did a bait and switch, and it worked. It did eventually, yeah.

So, you know, when you say eventually, how long do you have that conversation for? You must have had a million questions about the wife now that you know that she's around. And how do you deal with... your jealousy, if there ever was any that would come up about her and him. You know, I'm just, you know, you've been with him for two years. So I wonder, do you eventually feel feelings for him? You know, now I have a million questions.

So when he started, when he explained the situation, one of my initial thoughts was, are you just saying this, is this just some elaborate story so that I'm... Yeah. So then I'm like, okay, nevermind. I'm not interested. Like if you didn't have a great time yesterday, just tell me.

You don't have to come up with this huge excuse as to, like, why things aren't going to work. I don't know. No, no, no. I would have thought that. I also would think. Right? Well, no. I don't get. I get that angle. That's a little paranoid. Yeah. But that he's making this all up just to get out of the day with you.

No, the other angle I would think as a suspicious person, you know, I would think maybe he's lying and he is... wife doesn't know but he's telling you know he's letting me slowly he's like the bait and switch is gonna go on whereas he's I'm never gonna meet that wife and you know and he's gonna just tell me he has one so it relieves his guilt a little bit but she

doesn't really know about it but he's telling me she does you see what i'm saying no i could totally see that too yeah yeah yeah like that's what i thought was maybe that would have been my first instinct because so i would like wonder how soon

After you guys agree to keep seeing each other, do you meet the wife and how do you get to know more about her? So we met about a month later. But when he first... told me and and kind of laid out the parameters of like how I would fit into that situation yeah I was not interested I you know because again for me a goal

was that I wanted to, at some point, get married, and I wanted to meet my person. And I couldn't see how being in this relationship with him got me to that point. Of course. Because...

When push comes to shove, she has veto power. So she could decide at any time that, you know, she didn't want him to see me anymore or that it wasn't going to work. And so our... connection was kind of at her mercy and that kind of made me uncomfortable as well and and then there was no end there was no like we couldn't be anything more than just friends who who hook up and

No, to me, that's actually worse because there is an end. That's more of something that actually does have an end. The end is you could only go to this place. There's like a ceiling and you can't go. And that's hard to do because... With emotions, you can't really put a lock and key on those to a certain point.

That's why, you know, I can't wait till this story goes further because you're doing this for two years. So you must have gone through so much. So keep going. Right. So we decided that night. that I was not interested. And I didn't hear from him for a couple of days. And maybe four or five days later, he reached out one day and said, you know, I get it. I understand why you're mad.

I'm not, I don't hold it against you. I don't blame you. That was totally on me. But could you at least just think more about it? You know, we get along. We had a great time. The sex was great. Can we try to at least see where this goes? And I wasn't super open to it at the time, but since I had talked to him...

you know, earlier that week, I had done a lot more reading about how this works for couples and swingers and what it looks like to be non-monogamous and how that works for different people. And it was... eye-opening to me because again like I said I didn't know anybody in this lifestyle or who had even dabbled in this lifestyle so so yeah I had learned a little bit more where it was at least a little more open I guess yeah I wasn't just

Literally, like, no, this is never going to happen ever. So we talked a little bit more and agreed to meet up again. This guy, let me tell you, he must have... I don't know if you give really good head or he smelled like, or he's a very much an opportunist. Like there's, it's interesting that, you know, even though you were like, no way he still came back, you know, he's a little like.

boundary list but you know but like I said there's a lot of things that could be going on at play you know he might have like I said felt like there was a slight chance and he's gonna you know go after that and he listen he was correct because

because you did wind up with him. So, you know, he knew, but I mean, he does have balls considering, you know, how this played out in the beginning. That's all I'm going to say. And it's going to be so interesting on YouTube. The comments, this one's going to get, I like it. It's going to be very, you know, heated because I think a lot of people are going to be like, wow, that guy's really fucked up. But, you know, we're going to hear the good thing about.

what I do on my show and what I like is that we're going to hear the whole story. So it doesn't just end here. You do wind up having a relationship. So I would hope by the end of this, he's going to redeem himself. But at this point, he's really pushy. Well, and I think part of why he approached it again was because throughout us getting to know each other, throughout the conversations, even that night that we met at the bar, he knew that I wasn't...

super vanilla when it came to sex i have i've had some experiences that are maybe not quite the norm for everybody like what and so i i was like oh gosh like i've been to sex clubs and had, you know, room full of people okay stop you left that out of this whole conversation and you make me go down this whole analysis it doesn't mean shit like that's the reason why he was pushing it because it turned out that even though he didn't meet you on a lifestyle and

he didn't put that out you guys smelled each other from a mile away and you kind of are in the lifestyle silly well I have never like I said to me the goal was always a monogamous relationship you know so like of course

Listen, just because you have done those things doesn't mean, and I mean, listen to that you're not looking for a relationship where you're not worthy or, you know, you don't also, you know, that's a totally separate thing. But that does, that is very, and this is why I have to ask a million questions.

because that is very important to this scenario it does make him appear different like I said before without that information the way you presented yourself as like before this I had only been so vanilla and I never did any I mean you did kind of put yourself out there you know and I was I never knew anyone in the lifestyle I was you know I probably maybe did meet people but I never knew anyone this is what you

say okay and then I and then I start to think like this guy's got like he's a little boundaryless because he's like pushing and that's kind of fucked up and people are going to go off on him because and he lied at first and he said but now you're telling me that you

explained all this stuff that you did sexually, like go to swingers clubs and all these things. So that does make sense of why he would have... like i said been like an opportunist and got in there because he's like oh this girl is in this world a little bit and has this kind of experience so if anyone's going to be down it's her yeah no definitely like i'm not i'm not

closed-minded when it came to sexual experiences. You know, like I said, I've kind of experimented and explored a lot. But, you know, when we met... But when we met, that was kind of the goal was this.

was a relationship that was going to turn into something. No, no, no. Listen, one doesn't take away from the other. They have nothing to do with it. Right, right. Of course, at all. Just because you're in the lifestyle or try these things, I don't care if you had gang bangs with 10 guys, it doesn't mean that you don't want a relationship.

relationship at some point in your life okay you can even be in a relationship doing those things but yeah right the re but you having all those kinds that past and telling him about it on the first date and putting that out there does explain and give him like, you know, I think people will say less about him with that information.

Then without that, if you know why he would keep pursuing something, you know. So what are the things before we go forward with this? Because I love this story already. And I love even all of this, you know, because it just makes it even more interesting. What? is your backstory on the swingers clubs and stuff like give me a little information on that stuff what did you tell me in that first date that you've done well so to kind of give you some context

When, when I, growing up, we, I, I had no understanding of, of sex just in general. I mean, like, you know, I need a basic, but my family. super conservative we didn't talk about sex we didn't joke about sex like i didn't have a smartphone where i could just kind of look stuff up and figure things out and so really up through my early 20s i i did not know anything

I had had sex with just kind of a handful of people, and it was very boring. And I didn't know any different until I met this guy that I worked with. And he was very, very, he was older than me. He was about 20 years older than me. I was like 21 at the time. And we met and he was super patient about trying to help me figure out what I liked because when we, we were.

kind of making out and he goes well you know what kind of stuff do you like and I'm like I don't know just like whatever like I just I really didn't know and he's like no what what gets you off and I'm like what do you mean like I up until that point I had never experienced an orgasm and I didn't realize because things felt good but I didn't realize how much better they could be until I met this guy

And he was just like, yeah, that's not going to work. You're just saying like, oh, just do whatever. So the two of us hooked up quite a few times and he was like super patient with like teaching me different things and like. opening my eyes to all these different things that existed that I had never, people had, you know, gone down on me before and it was terrible because I'm like hooking up with, you know, 19 and 20 year olds who also don't know what the heck they're doing. Yeah.

So being with this much more experienced guy, totally eye-opening. Like, he was probably the best thing that happened to me in terms of, like, figuring out what I like when it comes to sex. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. It was pretty traumatizing. It was a pretty bad breakup. And I went through a phase then after that where I just kind of did whatever I wanted to.

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where I just kind of did whatever I wanted to. And, you know, before him, I had tried really hard to keep like my number.

low because i thought it made me like slutty or something yeah i remember a time when i was thinking like a double digit number is like the worst thing that could happen right you know and then after that breakup you know i was posting ads on craigslist and like hooking up with random people at bars and what were you looking for on craigslist i might have seen your oh my gosh sometimes it was just randomly meeting up with someone for sex

The craziest experience I had, I had posted that I was looking for a threesome with two men. And I preferred that the two men knew each other just because that, you know, I thought would make things less awkward. But... I had talked a little bit more to these two guys. They didn't know each other. We set something up. And now looking back and knowing what I know now, one of those men definitely could be a cuck or.

probably has a partner somewhere who is, you know, where that is his role, is he is a cuck. And because when we met up that night, he got there a little early. We were chit-chatting, you know, having a couple drinks. We had... started to play a little bit the second guy got there so added him in have a few more drinks the three of us are playing and then pretty soon guy number one just kind of totally took a back seat and watched the entire thing and

kept asking questions like, is he bigger than me? Does it feel better with him? Like, tell me how good it feels. Compare his dick by dick. You know, that kind of stuff. And I was thinking like, oh, Jesus. I didn't realize that anybody would care that especially a man would want to be compared to another man. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, but now knowing what I know, that makes total sense, that that is something that people love and get off on. But yeah, I was...

You don't realize that he wants to hear that the other guy has a bigger dick than him, which is something that you never tell a guy, right? No. And, you know, I met up a... I met up with a guy who we, we met a couple of times, met for drinks. We had hooked up once. And then one day we're just chatting on the phone and he goes, have you ever like,

paid any attention to submissive? Do you think you're submissive? Have you talked about that? I didn't even know what he was talking about. This idea of being submissive. The more we talked about it and the more than, of course, like me trying to read and learn as much as I could about it made total sense. And so kind of explored this sort of dom-sub, you know, exchange with him a little bit more.

And have done that now much more since because, you know, being a submissive is where I feel most comfortable. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, having those experiences with him that kind of really opened my eyes to... where I felt most comfortable and most willing to kind of, you know, just try different things and experience different things. And then I had gone to, I had mentioned like going to the sex club.

that's when i was much older i had actually been to that sex club earlier in my lifetime as a when we were at a bachelorette party before i was ever engaged we were like i was maybe 22 or 23 went to this club And watched a man tie up a woman on a sex swing with like, you know, the old telephone cord that was like curlicue. Yeah, he was tying her up with that curlicue telephone cord and she was.

you know, blindfolded and had in a ball gag. And I remember just being fascinated by that. And, you know, I ended up, you know, telling this guy that he's a dom. I ended up telling him about it. And he's like, oh, well, then let's try it. And that was like the first experience I had being restrained in any way. So, yeah, I had a, you know, my late 20s into my 30s was kind of full of some. experimentation like that.

Right. And so some of it went down on Craigslist, like those two guys. Did you ever do more than that on Craigslist? Or was that the most guys at one time? You know, randomly, no, just two. Yeah. I never know with you. I'm sorry, but like. I got to ask the questions because I don't know what's coming out of your bag. I mean, it's like a surprise as you would have missed all this stuff if I didn't ask the right questions and quote unquote interrupt you. I'm so glad I did. No worries. Yeah. So.

No, but that was it. Like normally I'd use Craigslist just to kind of hook up with, you know, or meet up with someone. And yeah, but two people, two men, that was the most. Yeah. Let me ask you this. Did any of your girlfriends know that you were doing this stuff? Was this like a secret life that you were living that your friends would have been surprised that you were doing this stuff?

Probably, so no, I don't have, I have a friend now who knows about the situation I'm in currently. Yeah. But of, of like my girlfriends, they're, you know, married with younger children and.

they didn't, this, yeah, this would have been shocking to them, I think. Right, so you were doing this stuff on, because I would, listen, I would think most people, you wouldn't tell your friends, because a lot of girls, like your girlfriends would have been very judgy. Even you said you had that feeling, like if your number,

when in the double digits, you would be considered a whore. That's your own judgment, right? So of course, it's hard to tell your girlfriend's like, hey, I'm posting ads on Craigslist and just hooking up with random dudes. You know, your girlfriend's going to be like, what the fuck?

So I was assuming that you kept this all a secret, but when you meet this guy in the bar that night, Who brings up these kinds of, is it like, you know, you're just drunk talking and the more you get drunk, you're loosening up. Like how does this stuff come out that you wind up telling him this stuff? He had mentioned that he had been a part of the swingers lifestyle prior. Right. Oh, right in a relationship. Yeah. Yeah. So he had been in a relationship before with an older woman.

uh they had been in the lifestyle for quite some time that relationship had ended a couple of years before yeah and so he you know he just kind of said you know what do you think about that Is that ever something that you would be open to? And I was super honest at the time and just said, you know, I don't think that's for me. I don't know. I don't really know what that would look like. You know, my concern is how...

How would I navigate my emotions through that situation? But then that kind of opened the door to us talking about other experiences that we had had. So he knew that I wasn't necessarily open to... being a swinger, but that I wasn't super vanilla when it came to sex. Right. You had been to a swingers club on more than one occasion. You told them about that kind of stuff.

Well, he did not know that I had been to a swingers club. Because sometimes I'm a little afraid to share too much. I did tell him I had gone to the club and just watched. I did not tell him I had gone to a club.

that same club later and actually hooked up with someone yeah one other situation that i i used to date this guy that was in the military and he moved he got restationed somewhere else so he wasn't as close to me And we would set up video calls so that he could call in and I would have another guy over and he would just watch us, you know. My apartment. I hadn't thought about that. Oh my God, I love you. You're so hilarious. Oh, by the way, I forgot about this one, you know. I didn't. Oh my God.

Yeah. So he would, you know, occasionally say, hey, I'm free this weekend. Can you can you find somebody? So, yeah, I would use Craigslist for that as well. OK, so wait a second. I love these little naughty things. So you. bring a guy over he's like on a webcam he's like watching through your computer does the other guy know or does he not know yes so on craigslist i would say hey my my friend wants to watch over webcam he's not going to be in the room

But, you know, the computer will be set up so that he can watch. You know, if you're down with that, hit me up. And, yeah, it was not hard to find people who were into it.

Of course not. I think it would be a lot harder if you were the guy trying to find the girl that would be down for that. But as the female, I think it's always... easier and that's probably that's also why you know your guy came chasing after you because it's hard to find that female that's going to join in you know as the unicorn that's why they call it the unicorn but way back to that little scenario

so how you know how many times did you do that about you know bring the guy home for that guy oh you know, like three or four times. And was it hard to you? Did you enjoy having your guy watch you? Like, were you into that? Did you do it more for him or was it a turn on to you too? Oh, it was definitely a turn on for me too.

Kind of being an exhibitionist, you know, was something I didn't necessarily realize I liked. But as I've kind of experimented a little more and put myself out there a little bit more, definitely enjoy, I enjoy being watched. So that was, you know, obviously he enjoyed it, but then, yeah, it was definitely fun for me as well. Right. Okay. So you, did you tell him about these experiences? You told him about some of this stuff. I told him about some of this stuff. Yeah. Yeah.

And definitely talk to him about feeling more comfortable, you know, as like sort of a more submissive partner when it came to sex. And he's definitely on the dom end of that spectrum. Yeah. So, yeah, we, you know, there was a lot of things that definitely we were on the same page about. You know, neither one of us is super close minded when it comes to sex or anything like that. So, yeah, when he hit me up again a couple of days.

after that initial text message that I think he knew that maybe he could. He had an in. yeah yeah totally so well no he you know you there were some similarities you weren't totally like oh my god no fucking way you guys obviously had good sex In the back of that car that time, there was that instant connection. I think a lot of times when you feel that chemistry with somebody...

It's going both ways or else it wouldn't totally be there. So he obviously felt it too. Now, how do you go from you not being interested in it to you winding up seeing him again that next time?

So, you know, we talked a little bit more. You know, he called me about four or five days later and we talked a couple, you know, for a few days in a row and agreed to get together the next weekend. So about two weeks later. from you know from that first time that we met and we went to dinner and got a hotel room and it was you know even better the second time the second time around yeah

Well, now it's like loaded. And now it's like, if you're going to be into it, the whole scenario you could get in, if you're going to go there, right. And you're something that could be a real turn on to the, to somebody if you're open to it. Yes. Well, and you know, The two weeks in between, we really did spend a lot of time talking about he answered all my questions. And obviously after that initial him not being very forthcoming, he was super open to...

answering whatever questions I had and explaining how things worked and what stuff meant that I would come across when I would read things on the internet and that kind of thing. So super helpful. obviously having a lot of questions about how does his wife factor into this? You know, how would she, what is her role in all of this? How does that normally work? And really, this is kind of a new situation for him to navigate as well, because...

He had not tried to find somebody in this way before. Typically, he would meet people at parties or they had a whole group of friends in Southern California that they spent time with. So he didn't have to try to go out and actively meet these new people, right? He met people that were already in the lifestyle. So this was kind of new for him to navigate. And I don't know, it was...

I think it was good for both of us because it forced him to really stop and think about their rules and how I fit into that. And he had to be pretty open with me about it because, again, this is all brand new for me. But also for him on some level, because he was, this is not going to be a one-off. This was, now you guys are sort of negotiating a relationship moving forward, something more than just a one-time deal. Like, how could you make this work?

Yeah. For a while. Yeah. Yeah. And I don't know if either one of us thought it would last as long as it has. But yeah, we both, I think both of us recognized it wasn't just going to be kind of a...

A one-time gig, yeah. Yeah, because like, listen, what are you going to, you know, who's going to be talking all that kind of nonsense with each other for all those hours and going through all the rules and regulations for another one time, you know? You guys were setting up an arrangement, quote-unquote. Mm-hmm. Like you said, yeah, you didn't realize it's going to be two years later, but it's obvious that it's going to be for a while.

Or I don't think you would have like signed up for it. I think, you know, it was like, maybe that's what was intriguing about it too. Besides the good sex, it was going to give you more than. Less than maybe what you went in there, but more than what you thought of after that initial text. Yeah.

Well, and he was always very upfront about saying, like, I'm never going to ask you to stop trying to date other people. I'm not going to ask you to not see other people. If you meet somebody and that's, you know, and you think there is. something there yeah you all you have to do is tell me and I'm not gonna I'm not gonna make a stink about it I'm not gonna tell you you know don't leave me I know that if you find somebody then great and I'm gonna be happy for you so

it wasn't like it was placing any restrictions on me either, which was... which was nice yeah so when does the wife come into the picture as far as like you meeting her or her watching you guys have sex or like what goes down and you know once you guys are like a threesome so we met up a couple of times

the same kind of way where we would just get a hotel room and you know spend the night and uh it happened like that for maybe three weeks and then we were together one night and he said you know hey next time

Next time we get together, you should come to my place. My wife will be there. And you guys can meet and we'll sort of see how things go. And what do you think? And I mean, I was... I was a nervous wreck because as much as I had heard about her, as much as, you know, we had talked about the situation and, and what that would really look like, the reality of it terrified me in a way, because, you know,

what is she going to think of me? Like, I was super concerned about, like, was she going to like me? You know, like, I just want it to be weird, especially if... we were ever going to see each other again or, you know, hang out. I didn't, I just, I wanted her to, to like me enough so that it wasn't like this awkward thing. If the three of us, you know, we're, we're around each other. So, yeah. So I went down to their place.

And we, I think we were watching like Monday Night Football or something, which kind of, there was something to watch, something to kind of talk about. He made dinner. We all kind of hung out. And she's like a totally... We really get along now. So she and I have hung out together without him now. So, yeah, so we, yeah, we got along.

And the first thing I texted when I left his house that night was like, what did you think? Like, did you like me? You know, kind of thing. And yeah, so, and we, yeah, but that first night.

When I got there, I was super nervous, and I didn't know really what to expect in terms of what would happen that night. Yeah, sexually speaking, right? Because that's what I'm curious about. Did that go down or what happened? Yeah, so we were watching the football game and hanging out and eating dinner, and then he pulls out his dick and he says, you know, hey, suck me off. I kind of looked at him like, I mean, is this really happening?

This is in the kitchen? With his wife there. So we were all sitting on the couch. Okay, okay. And all sitting on the couch. So actually the two of us, he and I were sitting on the couch and she was kind of sitting on this low seat. And he pulls it out and says, you know, basically, suck me off. And I kind of looked at him like, is this really happening? And he said, you know, don't make me ask you twice. Because, you know, again, it's...

Definitely when it comes to sex for the two of us, there is definitely this kind of power exchange that I really enjoy it. But at the time, I was kind of like... feeling very resistant because again i'm still super nervous about her being right there and he's like she's fine with it let just don't even think about it and yeah so

I started giving him head on the couch and she was watching. And when he ended up bending me over the couch so that basically I was facing her, you know, and was doing me from behind.

Yeah, she took some pictures and some video. And yeah, so that was the first night we met. Yeah.

And she doesn't ever join in or does she just typically watch and like play with herself? I mean, like, what is she? And I'm sure they have like great sex after you leave. Or have you ever seen them have sex together after? Yeah. So. say maybe for like the first six months the three of us would hang out and and like you know sometimes i would go down there or we would get together and we didn't have sex yeah but but typically he and i hook up and mostly she just watched initially

uh since then like we've interacted in kind of like very pg ways you know like she's like played with my hair like rubbed my back while he and i are together she's like uh you know if he's like behind me she's like grabbing my ass cheeks and kind of like holding me a little bit like we've given her a massage together uh I've you know he's been going he's gone down on her before and I've been playing

with her tits but but nothing passed nothing more than that between she and i and i have seen them together but only in in the context of all three of us so like for his birthday one year We gave him a blowjob together. And yeah, he he fucked both of us that night while I was there. But that doesn't happen often.

Right, most of the time it's her watching you with her husband. She's probably like a cuck queen. That's a new thing on my show. All of a sudden I have a lot of cuck queens on. Because she likes to see her guy with somebody else. She does, yeah.

And did you like seeing him? Maybe the submissive person in you is into that, kind of? I don't know. The first time that I saw... him with her the first time I watched them together it was a weird it was weird like you know again as much as I knew that they're married they're obviously having sex

with each other and also with other people you know so it wasn't like I didn't know this but the first time I saw it it was a it was a strange experience you know just to kind of have to tell myself like you knew that this was happening they're you know they're married it doesn't and i think a lot of it was just reminding myself that we this isn't a new thing he's not gonna he's not like not hanging out with you or not fucking you just because

His wife is here. Like, this all works. And so, yeah, there was, like, that initial kind of weird emotional kind of, like, that uncomfortable feeling. But, yeah, no, it hasn't been...

problematic really since then but was it did it when you got past that was is it a turn on though for you as well in some ways yeah Like, I appreciate watching him because he's very good and I can tell that she enjoys it. Yeah. But it wouldn't necessarily be, you know, it's not... high on my list of things that turn me on. Right, right, right. But how about you having her watch you? Oh, I love that. Right. Yeah. Yeah, definitely.

Right. So you get into being, so you guys are all perfectly suited for each other for sure. And they're very lucky. Yeah. You know, it has, it's like I said, I don't, I don't think that any of us thought it would be two years later and we'd still be hanging out, but yeah, it's.

It's worked out pretty well. Well, listen, I don't know where you live, but that stupid thing called COVID happened. So I don't know if that played into you guys being so lucky that you had this little... arrangement you know and it kept it going but let me ask you this in that two years since you have been able to go out and meet people have you yeah yeah so I've

I met someone about six months after I started this kind of relationship with them. And initially he thought that, that he was okay with it because. Again, like I try to be open because at this point now, I don't know if monogamous is something I could really do. Like if I met someone and they were just like, no, it has to be this monogamous relationship. I don't know if I could ever really.

do that at this point and and so I met someone about six months later that I was pretty I was super into and I explained this kind of situation and and you know here's how this works and are you okay with that And he said, yeah, totally. Like, I'm definitely, definitely okay with it. And it turns out he was definitely not okay with it. Oh, he wanted to be okay with it, but he wasn't. And he never came out and said that that was the problem.

Instead, he would just pick fights about crazy stuff that didn't have anything to do with this non-monogamous situation. But when push came to shove, that was really what it came down to. Yeah, he might have listened. I have to say a lot of times I remember just spending a lot of years of my life thinking guys were just such fucking liars, you know, because it was just so obvious where their feelings or their sabotage or their fights.

fighting words came from yet they would deny it forever and I'm like you know and then I read this book or this theory and it really changed my mind and it it talked about how like a lot of times what happens with men right you have a baby you have a boy or a girl they both come out crying but somewhere along the line boys stop crying and girls

don't you know and they and so and what happens is that boys aren't allowed to have feelings at a certain point in their life they get cut off so they stop talking about their feelings and they lose that attachment to them so when a guy tells you that he doesn't know why he feels that way or he's not doing it for that reason he that's

He knows that's what he believes because he doesn't have a fucking direct line to it. He doesn't know that that's where it's coming from. So he's not lying because you're a woman and you've been attached to your feelings and you can make those connections and figure that out and see it for what.

it is but a guy can't because they have lost that attachment of where that comes so they act out on their feelings and we see it so clearly but when they say that's not why I'm acting that way they're not fucking lying really don't know and when I learned that it really changed my whole view of things so that guy it wasn't like he's sitting at home knowing that it's this reason but I'm just not gonna tell her you know he's just acting out

And it's because it's happening subconsciously and he doesn't really know. You can't put that together. He cannot put that into words for you because he hasn't been able to put his feelings into words since he was little and his dad told him to stop fucking crying. And his mother said, And, you know, you're a boy. Don't do that. So that's why guys.

are that way so you know that makes sense he probably yes you're right it was for that but he probably couldn't really come out and put that together because that's the way guys are sorry about my rant but you know it's important and it's interesting I mean I think that that's like I don't know why that's not really out there I had to dig deep to find that guy that famous therapist that talks about this but it is really true and it's

really explains a lot with guys right so anyway so you're currently with them You have this relationship. You're 40 now. Now, how does your future look like when would you love to meet a guy, have your primary relationship maybe be with another guy and then keep this relationship going and have that person? be open to it I mean that would be the ideal you know because and we've talked about that before he and I and his wife

And it would be awesome to meet somebody who they got along with and we could, we could hang out and, you know, spend time together. That would be like the dream. But yeah, I would definitely like to find a primary relationship that, you know, allowed me to still kind of keep this connection. Yeah. Now, and so how do you feel about him and her as far as like, have you been able to see him for all this time?

and not fall for him or have you fallen for him and still been okay with the situation because everyone's like super open and honest about it? Because I think a lot of people that haven't experienced a relationship like this or quote unquote, you know, would be like, how could you deal?

emotionally and maybe it's different when you're in it that you can manage it and stuff because everybody's so up front like do you feel like you really care about him oh definitely definitely and I and he and I have talked about that too where We definitely care about each other within the sort of confines of how, you know, of this situation. You know, like I know where we stand. You know, I know how I fit in.

But that doesn't mean that I can't genuinely care about him more than just, like, some random friend that I chat with occasionally. You know, definitely I care. I care a lot about him. And he said that, too, that he... cares more about me than he expected to at the beginning. But again, it's not, it's not any kind of emotion that, that threatens what, what they have, if that makes sense.

Right. And it doesn't make you and their relationship doesn't threaten you either. Like you feel secure as well. Because I think it's important. You know, I never.

heard or had somebody speak on the unicorns perspective of things until I had Lola Jean on she was like an expert but she talked about how she was being the third person in a couple's relationship and she felt a lot of times, like... like her feelings weren't really considered and it was a really interesting viewpoint that I had never heard of before because I'm typically talking to the couples or whatever and like even when you said like in this situation where you know she

has the power. So there you are kind of like the pawn. I mean, you could be axed out whenever you're at their, her mercy. And I think like she talked about how. Those kinds of things for her didn't sit well. And I think for some people it wouldn't. So it is a little, you know, you have the most insecure position, but you've been doing this for two years and I'm assuming that you feel secure in that relationship.

And that's what's interesting to hear to me. Yeah, one, definitely. And I think, too, that we've had issues before. We've gotten arguments before.

But it didn't really have anything to do with the two of them so much as it was just kind of I felt like I was left out of... communication the two of them are so good about communicating with each other that's what this girl talked about yeah yeah that that often i shouldn't say often but occasionally i have felt like he didn't uh communicate with me yeah yeah And we've, as, you know, he and I have hooked up with other people, you know, together. Oh. Yeah.

And then we, you know, it had another single guy over once. It was the four of us together. And those kinds of situations were, I think, harder to navigate where it was like people that weren't her because. the two of them reconnect and they talk about it but i didn't necessarily have that kind of reconnection sort of conversation and that has caused the most issues right where

So, yeah. But, I mean, we went through a time where we stopped even talking. I just said, you know, I think I'm done. Like, I had reached a point where I thought, this isn't for me any longer. And we... We didn't talk probably for about a month or so. And he reached out to me. I actually happened to be on a date. And he called me. Right. And I didn't pick up right away. And he...

You know, sent me a text message that just said, hey, you know, I get it if you are screening your calls and you don't want to see me. But, you know, I miss you. I wish we could chat. And, you know, we talked and I was able to kind of explain why I was. got frustrated to end things and you know things have been a lot better a lot better since then

Right. So real quick before we go, okay, you just threw another thing out there that like you have had a third people involved. So it's always been another guy and with you and him, correct? Okay, so, no, actually, in both situations, it was the two of them and me, and we brought in another single guy, so the four of us kind of played together.

That was actually somebody that she had played with before that they had experience with. And so when he actually lives out of state, he just happened to be here on business. And they had talked a little bit. through a website, set something up, his wife and this guy hooked up. And so the next time he was, well, actually, they hooked up. It was great. I ended up going to that guy's state.

for like a little mini vacation. And she told me, the wife said, hey, here's this guy's number. I'm going to let him know that you're going to be in his area. You should definitely reach out, see if you can't hook up with him on your trip. And so I hit the guy up and he was like, oh, great. I was hoping you would reach out. Anyway, we didn't connect then because he was somewhere else for business. So we didn't hook up then. But the next time he came to California.

They invited him over and I joined and the four of us, yeah, spent some time together. That was fun. Right. So it was always the third person was always involved with you and him when she was there. Never that was solo with him.

Yeah, so he, you know, so we have not ever just he and I and another person, you know, like, yeah. But, well, but we have had, he and I have met up with another couple. So. that they had hooked up with before he and I then met up with this couple a little bit later and the four of us hung out. So hangout is like code for sex, right? Yeah, so we played together, yeah. But wait, so what went down in that? Was it like a full swap or I mean? So he really wanted...

So the husband, he really wanted to watch me and this couple because the wife of that couple is bi. Yeah. And he, at this point... like I said, outside of the very kind of PG rated interactions with his wife, I have never had any kind of interactions with, with a female. And so he really wanted to watch her go down on me and then her husband being involved. And so.

Yeah, so that was kind of how that went. He didn't hook up with the female. They kind of played around a little bit, but the focus of that evening was myself and the other couple. Right. And how did you enjoy that your first time with the girl, with the female? Oh, it was, I don't know what I was expecting. I was kind of nervous, but it was a lot of, it was a lot of fun. She's super open.

You know, she had no problem, just sort of like, okay, no problem, and taking off her clothes and, like, getting right down to business, you know, with me. And I was kind of like, I don't know, like, I've never... navigated any of this but um but because because she's so confident it was kind of it made it easier for me and then her husband loves watching his wife with other women too

And so it, yeah, that, that was a lot of fun. But the two of them, like he's, he, we have some videos of that too, but at one point I'm like laying on the couch and. her husband is on one side of me, the wife is on the other side, and they're both playing with my tits and, like, rubbing my clit and kind of taking turns going down on me. So, yeah, that was definitely a fun experience.

And his wife wasn't there. He was, but there was videos of that. And so his wife, I guess, gets those videos too. They're for her. Yeah, she got to see that. And he'll, you know, sometimes she's not around when he and I get together, but... He'll, you know, maybe he'll video call her so she can watch for a little bit or he'll just send pictures to kind of so she can see what's going on. Right. He definitely keeps her in the loop. Wow. What a story.

What did we call you? Katie, Katie, Katie, I can't wait to hear what's next for you. I just think it's so funny how you started off this thing saying like, oh, I was just always into just like strictly anonymous stuff and like, oh, you're so much more.

Not that person. You've done a lot. Your story was so fascinating. I love that I had to ask a million questions and get to it. I love what I don't know and you didn't even know and all this stuff new because it's just like such a surprise. So this was really. like such a it's gonna it's such a great episode and I love your story and I love your naiveness and telling it it just added to it for me I swear

I don't know why. It's like opening up a president like, oh, there's another president here. What is like? I don't know. I feel like if I talked to you for another hour, I could have found out 10 more other things. But, you know, whatever. Thank you so much for calling in. This was really a great story. I don't know what I'm going to title it, but it is going to air ASAP. Let me ask you this before we go. A lot of people send me pictures for my Patreon. They're not, I don't do any...

X-rated pictures, and they're anonymous pictures, but they could be sexy pictures. They always say R-rated, you know, and so people could see, kind of put something to the voice and the story. If you want to, would you be interested in sending me any pictures for my page?

I could probably do that yeah okay so you'll send me pictures I'll have those up on Patreon for people to see thank you so much Katie I keep forgetting your name I'm always juggling like the real name the fake name the email name you know That is so funny. Thank you so much for this story, Katie. Thank you for calling in and telling it. Thank you for having me.

Will that couple, let me ask you this, last question. Will you be telling that couple that you were on my show and let them listen to it, or is you going to keep this a secret from them? I haven't decided yet. Yeah, interesting. Let me know. He knows that I discovered your podcast recently, and he started listening to it as well. Oh, God, then he's going to know. You have to tell him first. So I wonder, yeah, if... Yeah, I'm going to, when it posts, because I don't want him to hear it.

know it's me and you have not told him yes because it's going to be titled so perfectly that he's going to be like wait a second that's my situation and then even though your voice is going to change he's going to know it's so specific your whole story that's what I love Love about it. It's so not typical that he will definitely know. So, you know, I think you should tell him ahead of time. You don't have that long because I'm going to air it ASAP. So get to it.

He'll love it. Him and his wife will love it. It's all good. It's all good. All right. And make sure to go to YouTube because everyone's going to be commenting. It's going to be a salacious thing. I will. All right. Awesome. Thank you so much for calling in and sending me those pics. Thanks, Katie. Thanks. Bye. Bye-bye. half the service. And Mint is still premium, unlimited wireless for a great price. So, that means a half day. Give it a try at mintmobile.com slash switch.

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