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I did. Betty and Barney Hill's experience was the first story of alien abduction to become widely known, and as the first, it established the elements that subsequent abduction tales would contain. People such as Betty Andreason would take these elements and expand on them, creating even more incredible narratives. I'm Toby Ball and this is strange Arrivals Episode eight, missing time. Each stage of Betty and Barney Hills September

UFO encounter seems to have a prosaic explanation. But they arrived home around five in the morning, not two as they'd expected. What happened during those missing hours. The original estimate of two am came from a stop they made at a restaurant in Colebrook, New Hampshire. As they left, they noticed that a clock on the wall red just after ten pm. They thought the rest of the trip

should have taken between four and five hours. Last episode, other Jim McDonald described driving the Hills route, comparing where in the sky he saw the light on top of Cannon Mountain to the description of the UFOs movements in John Fuller's book A Journey Interrupted. He believes that they were running later than they thought, even before they entered Franconian Notch. Author Jim McDonald now we know they left Colebrook around ten pm, and Fuller says that they're at

Twin Mountain, approaching Franconia Notch at eleven. This is just impossible. It cannot be done in eleven pm. They're only just a little bit south of Lancaster, still north of Whitefield. One of the pieces of evidences that their watches had stopped when they were home the next day. Especially in the early sixties with the wind up watches, it was easy enough to break a spring to jam those things.

Watches were delicate. We have no idea when their watches stopped working, but based on that information, I would say their watches had already stopped at some time before they got to Franconia Notch, before the sighting even began. They were confused about the time. It's sixty two miles on dark, winding rural roads from Colebrook to Franconian Notch. Today Google Maps predicts an hour and twenty four minutes for daytime driving at night in it would have taken longer as

far as how much time they spent. Remember they were stopping repeatedly to walk the dog to look at their strange light in the sky. They deliberately drove slowly for a portion of the trip. They got lost up a side road, and they spent some time driving around downtown Conquered looking for an open coffee shop. How many times they stopped at least a half a dozen. It's easy to lose two hours doing that. A few months back,

I was down in Lineborough. Now, I'm sure driving around on a road that was very much like what US three would have been like in the nineteen sixties. Three has been expanded and straightened and flattened quite a bit since then. But even so, there I was driving along and I thought I was driving fifty five. I looked down at my spenometer. I was doing thirty. My thought is that Betty and Barney, when they estimated were doing fifty to fifty five, know they were doing like thirty

all so we know from Fuller's book. And they crossed over from Canada at around nine and got to Colebrook round ten. It's ten miles from the border crossing to Colebrook. They weren't driving any They were drawing closer to twenty, which give him what this road looked like then. Very reasonable, UFO investigator Robert Schaefer. They talked about driving so slowly, you know, at one point Barney said later that he

was only driving along at five miles an hour. Looking at this thing, Well, if you're driving a lot of five miles an hour. You know at first year you're going to get home late. Suddenly the missing hours have become more understandable. Their watches stopped working, so their timing was off. Before the encounter began, they drove very slowly for portions of the trip. They stopped on several occasions

for various lengths of time. They took a detour through conquered add in that they had been on the road for so long and must have been fatigued and possibly not driving as fast as they thought they were. The missing time seems to have eroded away, and with this explained, there's nothing left except for a strange story compelling. Lee told, there's no evidence you can point to and say, see, here's the proof. This is not to say that Betty and Barney Hill were lying or deceptive. No one I

talked to believes this. They were in a confusing, stressful situation and misinterpreted what they saw. They later underwent hypnosis and told a story based on Betty's dreams that we know can't be taken literally. Tragically, Barney died in nineteen sixty nine at age forty six of a cerebral hemorrhage. In the years that followed, Betty became a celebrity in the UFO world, but her credibility suffered. After Barney's death, Betty's claims about her interactions with UFOs and aliens became

more and more outlandish. She kept a journal titled Strange Events. In it, she typed out things that supposedly had either happened to her or that she had heard about. Here's an example, taken more or less at random from February five on one of weight As I was going down the hill, I saw a UFO behind the trees over the trailer. As I came closer, it moved from behind the trees, crossed the trailer yard and headed towards me. It began to descend, and here the road is higher

than the field. It was very close and large and level with the road, about twenty ft across the law large bright white lights and a small red one. Two cars came and it turned away from me towards the field, moving slowly. I immediately parked to watch it. It had three lights on the back, and I began a panic. It was less than fifty feet from me, and I thought it was going to crash. I heard a faint humming sound, and then it traveled just above the ground

and went towards the ocean. I headed for home at the one on one bypass an Exeter. It suddenly reappeared stopped the other side of the traffic light. I did not see it before I went through the light. Suddenly this UFO dropped down close to the road. I stopped my car. All cars screeched to a hall and sat there. UFO rose and began to move across the highway and disappeared, traveling from the left to the right. Skeptoid host Bryan n she was a lifelong UFO obsessive to a point

that was practically a psychological illness. In the letter to a friend, she wrote, Barney and I go out frequently at night for one reason or another. Since last October, we have seen our friends in quotes on the average of eight or nine times out of every ten trips. She would believe that she saw UFOs everywhere she went.

She was part of UFO groups, and other people in the group's kind of I don't want to say, laughed at her, mocked her, but they knew her to be someone who saw in the UFO and everything she looked at. Here's a story where they were looking at a street light and she was saying, no, it's a UFO. Standing on a tripod, Betty took strange, out of focus photos of what she claimed were flying saucers. Here she is

showing slides of her photos at a UFO conference. In the image is she presents are blurred and impossible to identify. This is a carrier. The bottom opens up and the disc dropped down. Next, now they are and here we have the same flight pal, same position as we had before with the seven flying in V formation. Here this atable next. Okay, here we have a disk in a boomerang. Next, this one is absolutely huge. It filled up the whole field.

And I went back with my car and drove along the edge of the field and it's over a quarter of a mile. And this one was tremendous roaring sound. It's sounded like ten jets. And that's only part of it. I don't have it all on the slide, but they have red light at the very ends. Next that he back up to the previous question about communication. You have had communication in the form of blinking your headlights at them.

Is that correct. Oh, yeah, that I'd say indirect communication. Um, you know, as I was saying, they don't leave the crap, they don't speak. But like we've done things like allowed to emplay Christmas carols and then have a UFO fly over playing back the same Christmas carols. This story is an example of how she undermined her own credibility with tales that seem clearly fanciful. It is important, though, to remember that this is almost twenty five years after her

hypnosis sessions again Robert Schaefer. Betty actually wrote a self published book, I think, and it was called Common Sense about UFOs by Betty Hill. If you read that book, utterly amazing. She'd be standing like near the mouth of a river and she would see entire fleets of hundreds of UFOs would come in off the ocean and would fly up the river. I suspect she was saying some birds and in her imagination of birds were UFOs, or

maybe she just made the whole thing up. In Kathleen Martin's book captured the Betty and Barney Hill UFO experience, Kathleen acknowledges the credibility problem caused by Betty's later years Betty's fall from grace ultimately transpired because she surrounded herself with UFO enthusiasts who looked to her for guidance. Many were not trained observers or UFO investigators, but friends who supported her belief that they were observing extraterrestrial craft, even

when they were misidentifying conventional aircraft. Some of their descriptions seemed to support the conjecture that at least a few of their observations were anomalous. Addition, some of these observations were made by trained military observers and UFO investigators who confirmed that they had observed unconventional craft. Betty publicized this information because she thought she was contributing valuable information to the scientific community. What we must remember, though, is Betty

was not a scientist or a trained observer. After Barney's death, she turned away from careful objective evaluation and, with subjective enthusiasm, began to identify any lights in the sky as UFOs. In the end, it destroyed her credibility, not because she didn't observe a photograph UFOs, but because she failed to heed John Fuller's warnings. Fuller, the author of an Interrupted Journey, wrote letters to Betty, warning that she would undermine her

credibility if she promoted questionable sightings. Betty's fantastical claims later in life are not proof that she misidentified what she saw in nine six one, but in my mind they reflect a kind of openness to drawing incredible conclusions based on fairly ordinary circumstances. Remember, she pegged a light in the sky as a UFO pretty much right away, regardless

of what actually happened that September night. The Hill story had a cultural impact that resonates today, UFO researcher Alejandro Rojas. It was the first kind of in the media alleged alien abduction experience. The whole idea about these beings from Zetta Reticulate coming here comes from this. So for the mythos of it all, it's been very significant. And it's not just the concept of alien abduction that began with the Hills. Their story of their time aboard the craft

became the template for subsequent alien abduction stories. It was a template that prevailed very much from nineteen six to really right up until the nineteen eighties. The Hill story provided the basic framework for future alien abduction stories, but it wouldn't be enough to tell a variation of their narrative. The news stories would have to be more incredible. After the break, strange arrivals will return in a moment. A

Journey Interrupted was published in nineteen sixty six. Just months later, in January of another abduction allegedly occurred. This was the abduction of Betty Andreasen, who was taken from her home in Ashburnham, Massachusetts. Her story was told in the nine book De Andreason Affair by Raymond Fowler, a former colleague of John Fuller's. Betty Andreason was a fundamentalist Christian who was taken aboard of flying Saucer by two very friendly aliens.

The names of the two aliens, as I recall, were Quasgaw and jew Hop. This is author Terry Matheson. I'm a retired English professor taught at the University of Saskatchewan for many years, and I wrote a book back in the nineties called Alien Abductions Creating a Modern Phenomenon, where I analyzed a number of books about the alien abduction phenomenon. They were all best sellers, or most of them were sold very well and reach a wide swath of the public.

And I was interested in how the narratives developed. The Bit Andreason story showed how the Hill narrative could be used and expanded upon. Betty Andreason was a homemaker with seven children who was allegedly taken from her home on a night when her husband was in the hospital and her parents were visiting here. Author Raymond Fowler described the beginning of the encounter during a nineteen seventy nine radio interview.

It's how about explaining to the listeners and to me too, for that matter, what exactly happened to Betty and Becky Andreas And on January on that particularly evening, about six pm, uh there was an intimittent power failure. Simultaneously that there was a flashing orange light which king through the kitchen window, which overlooks a huge field. The children was scared Mrs Andreas and shoot her seven children into the living room.

Her father ran to the kitchen window and looked out and claimed he saw what looked like children dressed in strange Halloween cost On second luck, though, he saw that they weren't walking, but they were moving, floating with a hopping motion. All you can remember after that is in somehow getting in the house. They did enter the house Mrs Andreas and communicated with him through mental telepathy. Other members of the family seemed to have just frozen in motion.

For want of a better term, we called it. We called it suspended animation. Mrs Andreason was very concerned about her family, and they allowed Becky Andreas, and she was a loving years all at the time, to come out of this state of suspended animation, to assure Mrs Andreas and that she was all right, uh, And then to make a long story shot. They convinced Betty Andreas and to follow them to a craft which was out in

the back yard. She felt that she had free will, but and looking back hindsight, felt that they had complete control over everything that she did. So you can see where there are some of the elements of the hell story, the abduction, the control the aliens have over her. But she has already added elements the suspended animation and the aliens themselves, two of whom, as Terry Mathieson mentioned earlier, were named Quasga and jew hop. Betty Andreason was a

bit of an artist. She grew pictures of Clasgow and Jew and they were sort of tow little beings. You can find the images that she drew on the Internet. They're of whimsical creatures, not the strange, ambiguous, though ultimately friendly aliens described by Betty Hill. In another parallel with the Hill case, Betty Andreason's experience on the alien spacecraft

was recovered through regression hypnosis years after the fact. Her sessions were conducted by Harold Edelstein, who at the time was the director of the New England Institute of Hypnosis. Her story begins with obvious similarities to Betty Hills again and Raymond Fowler. The craft is very small. They stayed

in their craft for Philly long time. She felt heaviness and so forth, and then it stopped, and she felt that she was taking aboard Aliga craft where she was subjected to the effects of a number of very very strange instruments. Fowler had brought portions of Andreason's hypnosis session tapes with him to this radio interview. If you would give us background so we can lead up to what I understand is going to be a pretty startling piece of audio tape that we're going to be listening to.

All Right, the audio tape that you're going to be hearing excerpts from comes from one of fourteen hypnotic regression sessions, and it concerns Betty Andreason, who allegedly was abducted by uf All occupants and given, among many other things, a physical examination. What you're about to hear is a small segment of that physical examination. And I think that you will be able to relive with her of the trauma and the hay uh and the emotion that she experienced

reliving this experience under hypnosis. And she is under hypnosis and recounting, reliving, not recounting, and really living. Okay, there listening up, it's breaking like it, Oh, it's hanging. And here is where her story diverges significantly from the Hill narrative. After Betty Hill's examination, she talked with the leader and

was shown a map of the alien's domain. Betty Andreason, on the other hand, was actually taken to see distant worlds, and the worlds are pretty clearly a reflection of her

religious beliefs. This is Betty Andreason from an interview on the Transitions radio show in nine Well after they had examined me, they took me back to the cubicle where they told me to change into my regular clothes, and from there I was escorted into this room that appeared like a quantt uh hot type from half cylindrical, and within it were eight glass like chairs, and they sat me down in the one of the chairs to the right,

and this hood, glass like hood came down. I could hear it clicker on me, and then I felt very cold, as if I was breezing. They had her switched chairs and again sealed her up. They put tubes in her nose and another in her mouth and told her to keep her eyes closed. They gave me this reddish color liquid to take, and it tasted very sweet, and I

felt very relaxed from it. And meanwhile this gray liquid fell down, you know, was falling on my head, and it was building up in the bottom of the chair, and when it was filled and vibrated like a whirlpool around about me. And from there they drained that out to the breathing tubes out and set me on this track where one being was in front of me and one being was in back of me. Her captors put black hoods over their heads and led her to a very dark tunnel. I was taken through this tunnel and

we came. We were coming up to a mirror, and I thought we were going to crash right through the mirror, and instead we passed just like we passed through the wood in my home. And we came into this red atmosphere. First, She's brought to a desolate, red place with weird creatures hell.

And in this red atmosphere there was no vegetation. There were just large buildings with square windows, and there were the strange creature like beings having like two stocks for a head, was very large eyes on the end of it, and they were crawling all over the walls and in and out the windows and all over the place. And we passed through this area into a green atmosphere and then the fantastically beautiful green area heaven. That was beautiful.

It was just fantastically beautiful. They were things there I can't even described today, you know, nothing that I could relate to in this and planet Earth. And so I saw different things there. A dome city. This was obviously the poorful. No, this was not their planet. They told me that this was the high place. Betty Andreason has taken the Hill story and made it more spectacular. The religious imagery continued as the story went on, and I came up to some crystals that were just hanging in

mid air, and I did become fearful. I wanted to go back at that point because it was awesome, and they just wouldn't go along with my request, and we on going until we came to this area where this large bird stood, and the beings just got off the track and I was left there along where this huge bird was, and it was alive, and there was light and back of it just radiating, kept on radiating, and I kept getting hotter and hotter and hotter, and these

blocks of gold were flying around in front of me, and I felt like I was being consumed by fire. And at that point I must have passed out of something, because the next time I looked that the bird was gone and there was a pile of ashes there, and out of these pile of ashes, a large gray worm appeared. And then from the side of a voice spoke to me very loud voice and called my name twice and said, you have seen and you have heard. You understand And I said, I I don't know, I don't understand. I

don't even know why I was there. And then the voice talked with me and reassured me that everything was all right, that some of the pain that I experienced was because of my fear, and I just felt better. I felt elated, enjoy filled me. I felt very happy at that. To get a point in the Andreason affair, Betty goes into a great deal of detail about her interactions with Quasga and jew Hop, who served as friendly guides on her Uncanny journey. They also advanced the religious

tone of Betty's story. The aliens behave in a way that reflects the belief systems of the abducte. Betty Andreason was a very devout Christian Krasgown. Jew Hopper constantly saying little passages, the epigrams and stuff that sound profound and and spiritual. They don't make much sense when you analyze them,

but they're an extension of Betty's beliefs. Betty reports jew Hop saying things like, because man has separated himself, he has become dual separation, duality a love, there is no separation. Quasca also talks cryptically. Many riddles will be given. Those that are wise will understand, those that seek will find. They must be hidden in this way because of the corruption the corruption that is upon the earth. If they

are revealed outright, man would use it. Fowler eventually wrote three books about Betty Andreasen and her previous and subsequent dealings with aliens, but this is the crux of the initial story. In addition to the religious themes, Terry Matheson also found that her descriptions of the imagery from her

journey were often influenced by popular culture. In fact, a lot of vys events in her account, together with the pictures that she drew of her experiences, are taken lights from science fiction and fantasy movies from the nine in fifties, and I was able to trace most of them. Is not all of them. I know. There's one picture she drew of herself in a very sort of attractive party dress, and I thought I've seen that before. And then I

went downstairs and found an old movie of Cinderella. And remember when the very Godmother was apped her magic wand and Cinderella puts on this beautiful dress and she whirls around. Well, Betty's picture of herself is almost identical. And there are other scenes too. She talks about being in a flying sauce, and I mean put in some kind of pressure chambers, and that I found immediately from a very well known science fiction movie from that period, from the fifties called

This Island Earth. The two of you beginning a strange journey, a journey that no Earth people have evern have taken before. Now with you, consider me at devil or a saint is unimportant. What is important is that you're here on this spaceship. And also from another famous movie that I'm sure Betty may well have seen, called Forbidden Planet. This is no offense, but you are. That is correct for

your convenience. I am monitored to respond to the name Robbie, Betty Andreason's story was the first step in what became a succession of ever more incredible abduction stories. Each next step had to top the previous tale. But as with narratives of any sort, there comes a point where incredulity is strained and the genre falls apart under its own weight. How far did Ailien abduction stories go before they reached

the breaking point? Next time on Strange Arrivals. Strange Arrivals is a production of I Heart Radio and Grim and Mild from Aaron Manky. This episode was written and host by Toby Ball and produced by Miranda Hawkins and Josh Thane, with executive producers Alex Williams, Matt Frederick and Aaron Manky. Betty Hill was portrayed by Gina Rickike. Barney Hill was

portrayed by Jason Williams. Special thanks to the Miln's Special Collections and Archives at the University of New Hampshire, John Horrigan, w y C h A M in Norwich, Connecticut, John White, and David O'Leary, the executive producer of the History Channel's dramatic series Project blue Book. Learn more about the show over at Grimm and Mile dot com. For more podcasts from iHeart Radio, visit the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.