Eyes of Your Eyes

written in the binary system. One hundred forty two thousand, eight hundred fifty seven looks like this in binary arithmetic. This system of arithmetic is at The Rundolshom Forest encounter has gone through a number of stages since its occurrence.

At the very end of nineteen eight, the newspapers picked it up in making it public for the first time, and then thirty years later came new statements from the witnesses with new details and even entirely new aspects of the encounter, enhancing the original accounts, making them stranger and more incredible. I'm Toby Ball, and this is Strange Arrivals Episode four. Eyes of Your Eyes. I'm sure you've heard

of the Roswell UFO crash. Briefly, a rancher named Mac Braswell discovered debris on his land near Roswell, New Mexico. He called the Air Force, who came out to the site and retrieved the strange collection of materials strewn across the scrub land. On July, the Roswell Daily Record ran a front page article with the headline r A a F captures flying saucer on ranch in Roswell region. R a a F stands for Roswell Army Airfield. The Army quickly put out a correction identifying the wreckage as a

downed weather balloon. What many people don't realize is that the Roswell Crash really disappeared from view for about thirty years. It wasn't really a part of UFO lore until the publication of the Roswell Incident by Charles Berlitz and William Moore. This began the Roswell Crashes second life, and it eventually became the most well known UFO incident of all. But for right now, what's interesting is the process the story under when from the initial claim to the refutation of

that claim, to hibernation to re emergence. The Roswilliams syndrome is my name for a phenomenon that I first recognized regarding the famous Roswell incident, but I realized that what had happened with the Roswell incident had also happened at a number of other UFO cases. I'm Joe Nickel. I'm probably the world's only full time science based professional paranormal investigator. If there's another Win somewhere in the world, I think

I would know about him. What I found was that there's a kind of process in which these things occur. You know, it doesn't explain all UFO incidents, of course, but it's a a pattern that you can group certain cases into the Roswellian syndrome. The syndrome is composed of five elements. First, the UFO incident must occur, and then, quite often, as at Roswell, that gets debunked very promptly.

Somebody brings forth evidence or something happens that that case is pretty much put down, seemingly explained, whatever, And that stage two, as a consequence of the debunking, Stage three, that story goes underground. It doesn't go away, I found, it goes underground. And then step four is that once it's underground, it's subject to a variety of myth making processes, for example, simple rumors and gossip, and various other things

like people's tendency to exaggerate. This can also include people's memories changing over time, combining stories, filling in missing pieces, confabulating, and of course deliberate hoaxing. The paranormal attracts hoaxers quite a bit, I've found. And then the final step number five is that this story then emerges, like a virulent form of a virus. It comes back and now it's armed in ways that the original incident, which was maybe pretty easily debunked or at least dismissed, it's now sort

of vaccinated against that kind of dismissal. In Season one of Strange Arrivals, we saw how memory inevitably changes over the course of years due to a number of factors, and this can lead to stories changing as well. Every time you're telling that story, as you're saying, if you've told it a hundred times, the hundredth time you're telling it, you're remembering the ninety nine time you told it. In

the time you're remembering the time you told it. This is Dr Mark Ken, Principal lecturer at University of New Hampshire, among others. He's taught a course on paranormal and other extraordinary beliefs. We have a several biases in there. We have a bias that makes us more the focus of the story, so the things that happened to us are more prominent. We have a bias that puts the memories in line with what we believe about ourselves now. So even if we have changed tremendously since that time, that

story is going to fit who we are now. There's a number of other ones that stories tend to, as you say, streamline and fit a storyline better than the fragmented way that we might remember it initially. But people remember things that they can't possibly have remembered. They remember

things that in fact did not happen. On June, thirty years after his encounter, Chuck Halt wrote and signed an affidavit committing to paper his current at the time memory of his encounter in Reynold shimp Forrest on Night three. It's not surprising that there are a number of inconsistencies between this affidavit and the memo that he wrote in the days immediately following the encounter. Some of them have to do with the number and locations of the objects

that he saw in the sky. Some are more significant. In the affidavit, Halt rights, about the same time someone knows a similar object in the southern sky. It was round, and at one point it came towards us at a very high speed, stopped overhead, and sent down a pencil like beam, sort of like a laser beam, and that illuminated the ground about ten feet from us, and we just stood there in awe, wondering whether it was a

signal or warning or what it was. It clicked off, as though someone threw a switch, and then the object receded back up into the sky. In episode two, we heard Halt, in an interview I conducted with him for

this series, described this part of his encounter. And in fact, we hear about a beam of light in the Halt tape, and he mentions it briefly in the memo, stating that the object quote beamed down a stream of light from time to time, But there is nothing in either the recording or memo that hints that the beam of light came within ten ft of Halt and his party. This claim is new and sensational information that emerged thirty years

after the fact. Affidavit continues this object then moved back toward Bentwaters and continued to send down beams of light at one point near the weapons storage area. We knew that because we could hear the chatter on the two way radio. Several airmen present later told me that they saw the beams. I don't remember any names at this point.

This part of the heart recording references a light hovering over Woodbridge Base and sending down light beams degrees off their list, and similar lights and being done failure, but Mode doesn't mention this, And just as with the beam coming within ten ft of him, Halt seems to be taking a moment on the tape and making it more dramatic and compelling in retrospect. And it's hard to check this new detail because Chuck doesn't remember the names of

the witnesses. But there is no contemporaneous corroboration of this happening. This fits the model of the new emerging story in Joe Nichols Roswellian syndrome. It's coming back in this virulent strain with all sorts of evidence, maybe real evidence, maybe alleged evidence, but a whole bunch of things. The new evidence includes claims that on the nights of December, unidentified objects were picked up on radar. In by all accounts, there was no confirmation that any strange objects have been

detected on radar. Thirty years later, however, that detail had changed. In two thousand and eight, a UFO researcher named Robert Hastings posted an excerpt from a book he had published in which he found two former military technicians from R. A F. Bentwaters and R. A F. Woodbridge, who claimed to have seen unexplainable objects on radar, as well as to have witnessed the craft with their own eyes. Their

names were Ike Barker and Jim Carrey. This is from a story in the April edition of The Mirror in English newspaper. Mike Barker said, it wasn't like any radar target I've ever seen. It was traveling at an extremely high rate of speed. It passed over the control tower and then it stopped. I've never seen anything like the maneuverability that happened with this object. It was orange and color, and it popped into my mind that somebody was flying

a basket all out here. There were lights around the center, but not like navigation lights. It was more like portholes, as if you were seeing the lights from the inside coming out. It hovered, momentarily, reversed its course, and went back out at a high rate of speed. Carry A tech sergeant with the communication squadron said the unknown target made a sharp right angled turn at high speed before it left the area. He said, it was just phenomenal to see it go that fast. I said, that can't

be one of ours. No jet can make an immediate right hand turn. The radar experts did not report the sighting to their superiors over fears that it could ruin their careers. Halt has spoken with the two men, and the food air traffic controllers are on record. I've talked to them both on a great length and they say they saw the object go across the scope seconds in other words, thousands of miles in our twice. They saw it come back. They physically saw the glory and orange

a readish object. They saw it go into the forest. What are we supposed to make of this? These two men had critical confirming information about the encounter, but waited decades before coming forward. Why. The mirror suggests that it was because they were concerned that revealing what they had seen would have ramifications for their careers. Maybe, but again, there was no evidence before this that radar had picked up anything unusual at the time. Retired Air Force pilot

James mcgahey corroborates this. What should be very clear about during this entire time, there were no other visual sightings of anything, and there were no radar reports of anything on the air defense radar. I know because checked all the reports. So that's what basically happened on the first night. At the time was reported to the Ministry of Defense.

It was just unexplained lights in the sky over Endels from Forest Sheffield Hallam University Associate Professor David Clark, and all the Ministry of Defense did was Simon Weed and copied Colonel halts memo is sent it to all the different radar stations in that area that were responsible for air defense. He said, did you see anything unusual on these days? They looked on their log books, No, nothing registered. That's it. Then filing with the rest they weren't authorized

to do any further investigation other than that. Now, the problem is you can only make checks on radar if you've got very specific accurate information, date, time, location, etcetera, etcetera. Remember an episode two where we saw that Hart had mixed up the hats of the encounters. He identified everything is happening a day later than it actually did. Here's where it becomes an issue with verifying the radar readings.

When that member was copied to the radar stations and they did the checks on the radar, they were looking at the wrong times and the wrong days. Realizing this problem, David Clark did some investigation to find witnesses who could

speak to the radar readings. On the night of December, the night that Halt was in the forest, I tracked the radar station operated down who was there, Who was actually the person who took the call from Colonel Hall in the forest, and he said it was absolutely insistent that there was something there. Could I look at the radar picture. I looked at the radar picture over and

over again. There's nothing on the radar. We know it's an actorate memory because there's a contemporaneous memo in the file Ministry Defense file from that very person who I spoke to dated saying exactly the same thing. That's evidence that the stories accurate. This piece of evidence isn't affected by the incorrect dates. In the halt memo. The radar operator is reacting to halts calls on the third night of the encounter. This has to be the correct night.

Two sensational new claims based entirely on eyewitness accounts given decades after the fact. Both claims contradicted by what was known back in. These new additions to the story, if you believe them, both make it more fantastic and undermine skeptical explanations for the encounters. But the most sensational claim was yet to come, and it involved a message from

the future. Strange arrivals will return in a moment. In episode one, while discussing the first night of the encounter, I said that Sergeant Jim Peniston had a more extensive story of what happened in the forest clearing, and that we would come back to it now. Is that time. Remember, Peniston and Brows were approaching what they believed to be the source of the light. Another airman ed Caban SAG

trailed at a distance. At first, they ducked behind a berm, but eventually Penniston decided to proceed before going over the mound and approaching the light, Penniston looked over at Burrows and found him motionless, just standing there looking and I don't know if you're stunned. I don't know if you're scared. I don't know. I don't know if he just wasn't moving. But when I turned back around, um command Zac wasn't

moving either. As I came up over the brim, the light, which was at one point very intense, I started to dissipate, and as it dissipated, I seeing a forming of a black triangular craft sitting just above the forest floor. The white light disappeared completely and all of their The only thing I could see was this black craft with light light coming on the bottom of it. I wasn't sure

if it was hostile threat or not. They had not taken their weapons with them when they left the base, so Peniston was unarmed and his two companions were unmoving. He would have felt very much alone, so I wasn't sure if I was going to survive this. As I got closer to the craft, I was looking underneath it to see what was holding it up. It was fixed to the around somehow, but there was no landing gear,

and all I could see is beans of light. But the strange part about the beams of light is they actually made intentions into the ground, maybe an inch inch and a half. So I was trying to figure out how that is making this craft you know, stay stay sharing and so I tried to move it with my hands. And if you had an autobile out there in the woods and you tried to shove it a little bit, you get some movement, maybe you know, like a half inch chance or something like that. This didn't budge at all,

just stayed fixed. Peniston says he had a notebook with him and then he started filling it with as much information as he could because he wasn't sure if he'd survive. He wanted to leave a record. I had no way of measuring it or anything like that, so I used what I had. I paste it off at nine ft. There was no sound around the craft. There was no

sound in the forest. It was completely quiet. There was a i'll caol the dorsal fin type thing coming up out in the back of the craft or from center to the back, and that went up probably about making about seven and a a half feet total with the craft too. I'm six ft two, so that's what I guess to that. I started looking for obvious things that airplanes have to make him fly, things like you know, arians and flaps, crew compartment, things of that nature, and there was void

of all those things. The craft a matter of fact, was completely smooth, like there was no rivets, there was no joints, there was nothing like that. Peniston made a complete circuit around the craft. He noticed that there was some type of writing on its exterior, but it wasn't what he would have expected. Yeah, writing, it appeared somehow. It looked like maybe Egyptian type glyphs or something like that.

As I approached the glass, I went from you know, touching the side of the craft, which is completely smooth, and when I got to the glyphs on they seemed like they were etched in to the side of the craft. They felt like going from complete smoothness of glass too, like sandpaper. Peniston says there was a row of those hieroglyphics along the bottom of the craft. He estimated the row is three or four ft across, and the glyphs

were maybe five inches high. There was a larger one above it, which was a circular one with a trinangle and had three other little circles in it, and so I recorded all that stuff in my notebook as I came in back around because I wanted to concentrate and those glyphs a little bit more. I get around to the the glyphs itself. He was drawn to the larger one, the circular one with the triangle and three other circles inside.

When I touched the center one, I had this immense bright light light, and I can see anything else in the forest. All I can see this white light. And in the white light, I can see like ones and zeros. Okay, it made no sense at all. It was terrifying. I don't know how long I had my hand on that symbol. It wasn't long, maybe five ten seconds, and I started gaining my senses and all I did was just take my hand off. Immediately when I did that, the light

was gone. I could see the craft again. Now you'd expect that after having a bright light shot in your face that it would take your eyes a few minutes to adjust back to be able to see in the dark forest, but this wasn't the case. Pennison says he could see perfectly well immediately after the light or what he perceived a light was turned off, so the technology wasn't light. There was something else, but it appeared to be light. He walked back around to the other side

of the craft. I started seeing more activity. High shaped colored lighting that was in the fabric of the craft reappeared and started moving again. So I backed away from it. I thought I activated something. I thought I might even explode, So I got back on the ground. And then the white light again, this bright light started to encompass this craft where I couldn't see the craft and more honestly as this white light until they started moving back through

the trees. Remember it was the trees that are only five or six ft apart, and I paced off the craft at least be a night feet wide, and so it was impossible to do that, but it was doing that, and it went maybe twenty then it rose to uh tree top level. I could see the bottom of the craft then and it made a slight right turn and it was long and the blink of an eye. According to Peniston, during this entire time, Burros and Caban Sag were frozen, unmoving. This is what Burrows remembers. When we

got close to it. What I remember is it simply, it was bright, kind of dimmed down, then it got right again and left. So that's what I remember. I don't remember any of the things that Peniston said took place. Ed who was with us, also doesn't remember that. The bright light is consistent with Peniston's story, but it also shows how Peniston's account with the other two men not responding, is,

as Joe Nichol might say, vaccinated against contradiction. The fact that they don't remember anything about it is baked into the story. After returning to the forest with Burrows to check the site in the daylight, Peniston eventually returned home. He says he tried to sleep but couldn't and eventually got up around midnight to make a cup of coffee.

I sit down at my dining room table, and I pulled my notebook back out because you know, I was just gonna go over by else and so I was looking through that, and I thought I was losing my mind. I really did, because of the trauma, because I could see nothing but these ones and Zeros. I close my eyes and mind's eye, I could see once and Zeros. So I'm looking at the notebook and says, you know, I think I can write those things down. Yeah, once in zero's, don't you know, subside a bit, I'm gonna

I'm gonna have to go to the base hospital. I knew that was a career ender. He says he felt a compulsion to write down this sequence of ones and zeros. Flipped open to the back of the notebook where's you know where, That's the only paper I had. I started, you know, writing down, you know, there's the numbers that one serviles er one one one zero one. And when I did that, I felt better, And so I just continued to do that, and I wrote down on sixteen pages of him, and I got to the sixteenth page

and they were gone. I couldn't see him no more. And I felt great. So I said, my god, I think I've dodged the bully here career wise. So I went back to bed, and I actually sucked all night until the following day. Peniston says that he didn't tell anyone about the numbers he had written down because it was, in his words, pure insanity. In fact, the numbers wouldn't resurface until an apparently chance occurrence during the filming of

a TV episode. And then I'm doing a film shoot with Burrows, the other guy that was there, and Linda Molmahal, she was there. Linda molten Howe is a journalist with a longtime interest in UFOs and the paranormal. And it was for ancient aliens and we're out in Phoenix. This is like is any when people started making documentary films about this case that it really started to take off.

This is researcher ian redpath and this is something so that you get with a lot of you if cases that once film crewstot interviewing witnesses, they started getting them to talk out the case, and whole new details introduced. I would say invented. I was gonna interducee and Burls asked about a time in there. So I'm looking through my notebook and I flipped it back too far and I have all these ones and sales written. Now I

figured what the hell this is? Thirty years later, and only a couple of years after Halts affidavit with his new information, Burl says, what's that. I'm figured, well, I might as well telling what happened. And Lina how it looks, and she's that's binary cool. And when she said that, I says, you know what, I says, that's binary cood.

She goes yeah. I said, I didn't knew what that was, and she said along, so when you So, now everybody's excited, and they said they want to go into analyze, and I saw, I have to think about Prometheus Entertainment, the production company for Ancient Aliens, sent the binary code to be deciphered. The phrases they got back were cryptic, bizarre, and obscure things such as eyes of your eyes, origin year, exploration of humanity six six six, and continuous for planetary advance.

Apparently a transmission error ended this word early. And there was seven senses coordinates. I should really say six, because one of them was done twice. He's talking here about geographic coordinates designating six locations around the globe. One was off of southwest, off of Ireland, out the middle of the ocean, and the other was near Sedona, Arizona. The other one was on the Belize border, one down improve one in Greece, and one in probably the most important

I think it was probably the one from Giza. It was near there, and then there's also one place in China. These locations that he mentioned are all important places that allegedly have some sort of power according to some New Age philosophy at this point in time. Gary Osbourne took those accordance and concentrate on those. Gary Osborne is a writer on New Age and esoteric subjects. I exchanged emails with him, but was on a able to set up

an interview to discuss his work. Probably about five years ago. He found out that there was correlation by the angles and stuff like that, and two different positions and different things around the world, and the what he determined that the raw binary message was not the real message. That the real mess is just is in the relationship of these UH sites around the world. So a code within the code, and that's where the research went from there.

I think you get the idea. It becomes more complicated, more convoluted. The first code doesn't hold the answer. You have to decipher the first code and then interpret the riddle of that message in order to unearth the true meaning. It begs the question why wouldn't the intelligence behind this crap just beam him a straightforward message if it's so important, Why the codes within codes? I see the appeal in uncovering in quotes secret knowledge, but it doesn't seem to

make much sense from a practical standpoint. I mean, they've gone to all this trouble the binary code. I think very few people taking the binary code seriously. Again, Ian Redpath that this has been investigated, not by me, quite a number of people have investigated it, and there I'm pretty sure that again this is a much later fiction. It's an invention. And then there's a question of whether Peniston actually made contact with a craft in the first place,

an event with no eyewitnesses. Chuck Halt, for one, is skeptical. When he was in communication, which was difficult to do because it was breaking up, was the gate master Starr Chandler, who was a coup senior colp at the gate, said he heard the conversations that they were trying to get near it, but they couldn't get near it. Interesting, huh. When he comes back to the base, he tells Captain Barano, it was definitely a mechanical We tried to get close,

they didn't get close. Suddenly he touched it. He has his code. No, I can't say he didn't get a coach somewhere, but I don't think you ever touched it again. David Clark, you've got all these different groups of people who have all got different versions of the same story, all contradictory, all fighting amongst themselves to be the one that is the true Randelshom story. So you've got Jim Penniston with his story, You've got John Burrows with his story.

You've got Colonel Holt. Remember after thirty years Halt came out with a new version of his encounter. Only a couple of years later, Peniston tells his story. Worry about the binary code. They're all sort of trying to get one over on each other and trying to assert themselves as the true story, you know, the one that will be passed on into the future. In my interviews, Halt and Peniston spent time trying to discredit the other. When I talked to John Burrows, he did not engage in

undermining the other two. Halt too, wasn't critical of Burrows. The Peniston was, I would say uncharitable, but I can understand it. It's a seminal moment in all of their lives, and each one of them wants to have some control over what is their own story, and in speaking with me, they are all able to get their story out again. But also seed some control, because I'm the one who ends up telling it and I end up making decisions that I'm sure they won't be satisfied with. The vault

in line. If you look at them all, there's very little common ground other than the fact that the bunch of guys looking around in the forest and so some old lines. That's that's the that's anything that comes out of it. Remember, we have heard again and again how the military seemed unbothered about the encounters. It seems clear that they did not take them very seriously. And the Peniston and Hall disagree on a lot. They do agree that the Air Force engaged in a cover up in

order to keep the encounter secret. So yeah, the cover up was real. And the other thing they wanted to cover up is a receiving binary code. That's probably why and everyone thought about the binary for thirty years is because of the efforts to keep it quiet. One and started seeing psychiatrists for about a month and finally she says, uh, you know, when you be open to a regression on this, This was an He did one session and when it was over, the doctor said that she thought that he

needed another session. I said, why, I said, I feel great, and she just well, we're gonna have to talk about Woodbridge, and during that the second session and shows in there where I get actually solely and Pentehal Sodian. Pentehal is an anesthetic that is sometimes called truth serum because it was thought to cloud a person's thinking to the degree

that they wouldn't be able to formulate a lie. It shows how they put a block in to cover what exactly was going on around the craft with the buying eary. But it kept me talking and from talking about it. But I knew about the ones and zeros. I didn't know it was buying a code or nothing like that.

I knew it was one of the zereals. Peniston claims that the therapist got rid of what he calls the block mechanism by which his interrogators were able to make him forget the binary code experience, and that is why the code only emerged thirty plus years after the encounter. Season one of Strange Arrivals took an extensive look at regression hypnosis, and it is clear that you can't rely

on information produced using this technique. The fact that Peniston believed he was subject to interrogation and memory manipulation would be adequate to produce the quote unquote memory in a regression hypnosis session. That being said, Halt also believes that

there has been a cover up. He wrote in his affidavit, I believe that the objects that I saw at close quarter were extraterrestrial in origin, and that the security services of both the United States and the United Kingdom have attempted, both then and now to subvert the significance of what occurred at Rindell, sham Foris and R. F. Bentwaters by the use of well pracked his methods of disinformation. Halt was more specific when I spoke with him ten years later,

echoing the basics of Peniston's claims. They didn't tell me, and nobody told me, and I didn't find out tater tennor more years later they were Sonia memorial or Soniu penetal and hypnotized. And there's no doubt in my mind, neighbor, given what's called screen memories, in other words, of false memories. These claims have been strongly disputed. David Clark spoke with Colonel Conrad, would have Halt superiors in. Conrad was blunt in his criticism of Halt's contention. He said, quote Colonel

Halt can believe as he wishes. I've already disputed to some degree what he reported. However, he should be ashamed and embarrassed by his allegation that his country and England both conspired to deceive their citizens over this issue. He knows better. Retired Air Force pilot James mcgahey echoes this criticism. This is all complete, utter nonsense. It never happened. There's no evidence that happened. It's totally inconsistent with everything and

everything you would ever think of about it. It's embarrassing to the Air Force that these people are actually telling all these crazy stories. Here's the thing with Rundall Show. There is no settled upon story. There are the initial events, the skeptical explanation, and then these narratives that emerge later that expand on the initial encounters. And this is the

dynamic that creates a modern legend. Again, David Clark, in order for the story to remain current and for people to keep telling it, you've got to keep adding something to it to make it more interesting. It's almost like a virus. It needs to find a host so it

can pass it on to some other person. So a lot of the sort of things that we think of that as King Arthur are actually modern accretions that have been added to the story, and other bits of the story have fallen away because they were things that didn't quite fit the way people wanted the story to go. People try things to try and expand upon the original story because there's only so many times you can tell a story about a group of people going into a

forest and seeing lights in the sky. You know, if that's just the story, it's not going to survive very long because it's not exciting enough. The novelty wears off. So you've got to make it more interesting by saying, well, the light didn't just stay in the sky, landed on the ground and left marks that police officers came and saw, and and that someone went up and actually touched it, and then they had these binary code downloads and that.

Without that, the story just remains the same as all these zillions of other stories about people seeing lights in the sky, and the additions to the story continue to this day. Just in the past year, we've seen headlines such as from BBC News Online Rundell shim forrest Ufo. Are we any closer to the truth. Forty years on, from the British newspaper The Sun, X File Riddle s a S trooper claims UK's most famous UFO sighting was

revenge prank after US soldiers called US aliens again. From the Sun, Britain's most famous UFO sighting was a top secret military experiment. From the British newspaper The Daily Star, Britain's Roswell, witnesses described glowing UFO like a scene from Star Trek. Forty years on, Burrows, Peniston, and Halt all have books out with their accounts and theories about the Reynald Shim encounters. Each in their own way is vying to establish the official narrative. This includes asserting what they

believe was actually behind the encounter. For instance, Burrows believes that at least part of it was a down Soviet satellite. There's a good chance part of this incident involved US bringing down a Russian satellite, so there's a decent chance it was lifted out of the forest by a helicopter and it looked like a crate that there was, you know, hoisting up and carried over to the fly line. It could have been a recovered satellite. I don't know for sure,

but they did bring something out of the forest. I couldn't tell you exactly where it was, but there was a helicopter hovering over that area and then it lifted something up and it came out towards the fly line. But he says the satellite was just one component of what happened called weaponization of the u P and basically what most people don't know, there's tons of things that were being developed and worked on right outside the back

in Bridge, there was all different types of facilities. Model from Heath which is a joint British American facility, and Marconi was working at the British side with the Americans. Also you have Bowsie and then you had some other facilities that were further away. But they were working on all kinds of things, and one of the things that's documented on is the SDI being worked on. Back then, they were working on drones, they were working on the laser technology, they were working all kinds of e MP

technology and stuff. And also there is some kind of phenomenon's there. It's still there to this day because there's still stuff that goes on. But ultimately there's a phenomenon there and what we were working on at the time too, all ties in. Jim Peniston also doubts that they encountered extra terrestrials in the forest as far as actually terrestrial stuff,

there's something like that happening. I never used to term UFO and I never said that or even suggested the craft was alien because I never had that impression from the start. Based on the phrases contained in the binary message and statements he made while undergoing hypnotic regression, he believes that the craft was from the future. It's humans from the year. The thing they're trying to cover up isn't about uphology and aliens all that they're trying to

cover up. It's us. It's it's us doing you know, interdimensional travel. During his hypnotic regression, Penniston says he recalled his interrogation experience after the encounter. He remembers them asking him about that period in the clearing with the craft. They're asking what I'm seeing, and they're not, you know, extra restrial there, they're us. They're uster in the future. This explanation guides his understanding of what happened to him in that's what our belief is, and that's where our

findings every day are reinforcing that. Finally, when I spoke with Chuck Halt, I asked if he had a theory about what he saw that night. No, I just know it's something that's either here in some form or shape or some type of presence. Many, many stories just disappear. You know, if you look back in the animals of upology, there are many stories like Rendelsham that people would not recognize if you told them, because they're not the ones that have become part of the myth as it is

presented in the media. You may have heard of the Rendelship Forrest encounters before listening to this podcast, or you may not have, But there are UFO legends, whether they are true or not, that nearly everyone has heard about. One of these is a narrative that has formed around the way the US government and military has handled the UFO question. It starts in Next Time on Strange Arrivals. Strange Arrivals is a production of I Heart Radio and

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