¶ Journey of Transformation and Growth
Well , like everybody else , we all have stories right , like how we navigate life , and for me it's a story from the East to the West , from science to more of the spiritual , and also from working become a self-employed .
Welcome to Stories of Change and Creativity . I'm Judy Oskam and I love interviewing people who inspire , educate and motivate . On this episode , you'll hear from Peiming Sun , but everybody knows her as Sunny . Sunny trained as a molecular biologist and then life changed . She now coaches others to increase happiness and reduce stress .
She works in Mandarin and in English and she continues to blend Eastern and Western tools and strategy to help people like me find ease and flow . I hope you enjoy our conversation .
So it's a lot of navigations and I believe that helped me to understand who I am , because if you stay in the same place and eat the same food , speak the same language and never travel , that give a little harder for us to understand . You know our essence and stuff because Think about the fish . The fish never leave the water .
They don't even know they are drinking the water . So when the fish change the environment , they say the taste is different and they start to have more awareness about themselves . I think that's what I experienced in my life .
I just have a lot of changes and shifts and then I finally become more comfortable about who I am , so I don't care that much about opinion . Yeah , I respect other people's opinions , of course , but then I don't take it to my heart anymore . It's like that's just opinion , right , just have some fun with it .
Well , you know it' I think it's interesting that you have a background in science . Talk about how you , how you went from . You know a master's in science and biology . Was it biology , or tell me ?
Molecular biology .
Yeah , yeah , molecular biology . And how did you from very science-based focus into the spiritual . What drove you to go there ?
It had to be something , I think everybody , sooner or later , will have different voice in their head , and I just happened to about my mid-30s .
So what happened is other than I'm working in pharmaceutical I really devoted to my work but then I also have a young family and I just start to have needs , like I'm a mother and my marriage back then is not that balanced . So I feel like I'm burning out all the time and try to take care of everything Other than two kids . I feel I have three kids .
So that is really tough for me to really navigate it and also have a special need kids turn out to be . So then I said , well , this is too much to juggle , so I decided to just quit my work . Then also , my marriage fell apart and the kids have a lot of needs and a lot of surgeries going on . I have to run it around .
A lot of challenges , I would say , but then so then I start to find out what can I do to help myself . You know it's like I don't want to be burned out all the time , I don't want to be happy , I don't want to be grumpy because I am raising two kids . You know my mother instinct coming and say I need to make sure I'm okay .
Right .
So then I go back to my heritage . There's a lot of Right . Then I get out a little bit and I feel , wow , actually it's so many things within me I don't even know I have it . It's kind of embodiment . And then COVID hits . Then , after I quit , I have a lot of navigation . I can skip that and go down to the COVID .
So at the COVID 2020 , I closed my restaurant , I closed my food truck . That's the two crazy thing I did . So then I moved to online . I want to see what ? Because I still stay home . I'm a caregiver for 18 years , so everything I do need to be around my family . I cannot go out . I couldn't do a normal work .
So I'm thinking , well , you , you know all this internet , because 2020 everybody go internet right like kind of shift the ship . Everybody kind of move right on whatever to um , internet , even shopping or meeting people or anything , right , um . So that's my uh journey . Start , do it . And I become a tiny habit coach . Because that is really the turning point .
I say , wow , that can really help me get out from that limiting belief and all this unhappiness . So I implement all this tiny habit recipes . Then the door is wide open . So right now I'm a holistic lifestyle mentor . Implement other people's behavior into their life with tiny habit methods .
Oh , I love that . I love that and as a fellow tiny habits coach , I can totally relate to that . Why do you think in the West , why do you think we have forgotten or we don't value as much some of those ancient practices ?
Well , I don't think we are aware enough . Everything relates to our consciousness level . When we are quiet , when we are relaxed , when we are really quiet and don't say anything , that is the time we start to have more connection with our consciousness .
But , based on my observation , people here are so busy they're just like run , run , run , that little engine never stop right . And um , even they do meditation . This time , okay , 10 minutes done , I'm gone . I'm like the meditation is for you to have the pause , for you to have the time to just enjoy your presence .
But you become , make it like an exercise , like you are check , dip , dip , dip . So you totally lost that essence about just still and enjoy that nothingness . But I think it's become . I mean , more and more people start to practice . They understand they don't need to be rushed to the meditation , they don't need to rush to the yoga right .
They rushed to the meditation , they didn't need to rush to the yoga Right . So I do see a lot of people start to relax more . Yeah , and that is a good thing . So I don't think it's any because the West or East are different , it's just lifestyle . Mm-hmm , right , where you're .
Tuning to when you're young , right , tune into when you're young , right , that's how I discovered a lot of programming and attitude really become shaping our life . When a young age , then if you we are not aware we are not really have this desire to get out and update our lifestyle , that can be until we are burnt out yeah , until something happens .
Yes , you know break your . You know you have to stop right , but sometimes that is not the good ending you don't need to go there right well , when , when , when , when people come and they ask for your guidance and your support . What are they asking you for help with ?
¶ Self-Worth and Empowerment Through Tiny Habits
I think most of it is the self-worth , particularly for women . They don't understand sometimes the self-worth is not something we can get from outside , right Self . So anything self-love , self-assurance , self-empowerment really need to come in from here .
But I think we are trained , like me included , to look for solutions and we lost in the journey of looking other than just give us some space and love yourself more and go out to the nature , walk around , pat the trees , relate to nature .
You can just give us out of that mind , because when we think about if we don't do this , we don't have a time to do it . Um , we need to find a more effective way , and that is take us even further away from the self-worth , because then you're looking , you say I don't have that thing . Then I cannot be happy .
I need that , otherwise I don't feel successful . We always do that too much . We need to have some kind of in and out , vertical and the corral everywhere , the quantum . When you really become harmony , that is the time you start to understand you don't need anything else , it's just enough .
Yeah , yeah , but I think that's tough for a lot of high achievers because we're programmed to want to prove ourselves right .
And look external and not internal .
Yeah , you need to look everywhere , so not too much that you need to have this too . Like , of course we need some tools , we need some help . You know guidance , but if it depends on nothing , then they didn't fill out your own self-worth , then you still don't feel that's enough . You become like , yeah , I got this , but I'm not celebrating .
You know , that's how I lock tiny habits . Just a little thing . You celebrate , yeah , right , then you can build up because , hey , I recognize myself . Yeah , then if something coming is great , but I don't need that to be filled , I'm enough .
So the celebration from the tiny habits , training and methods is such a turning point for many , many women if they don't have enough self-worth .
Can you give us an example of a tiny habit recipe that you might give someone about self-worth ?
Yeah , yeah . Well , that is the first time I used the tiny habit , of course , the famous Maui habit . You know , when you wake up , you say this is a good day . But I put another one in front of that called habit of a miracle , another one in front of that called Habit of a Miracle .
So what happened is , even before you put your feet on the ground , you open your eyes . When you open your eyes , I would just say when I open my eyes , I will say to myself I'm a miracle . Then smile , yeah . Then I pause a little bit , then I use them all I have . Hey , today's going gonna be a good day , yeah .
So that miracle , you know , in the biological sense , because everything for me is biology , chemistry , physics , right . So , in in think about how wonderful you are , you have all the miraculous things within you for you to digest the food , for you to , you know , have a breathe .
You know that , like , if you don't have those single cells trillium , trillium that work together like a community , you cannot really do what you're doing today . Just recognize that , right , that's the little thing . Little , yeah , I love that .
yeah , yeah , yeah you know , I you know , and and the tiny habits recipe . Can you break down what a tiny habits recipe is with the abc for us ?
yes , yes , um , for people don't know it and check out the book by dr b fuck tiny habits and the recipe . Actually , abc stands for A is anchor moments , that you have a routine , so you just take advantage , you already have some behavior in a certain time of your day and choose the anchor moments .
And B is the behavior because tiny , right , so we need to find something less than two minutes , or even , for me , using a lot of just one sentence super sure , yeah , yeah so . Or a start point . It's like starting , like if you want to go out for walking , put a shoes on that kind of small step , then c is the one I just mentioned celebration .
It really pay attention to the little things we do , like we are all miracle . You don't have to pay attention to how you digest your food , how you drink your water , how you put air into your nose , right , but those things really keep us moving . So , as tiny as possible . Then you recognize that behavior and you celebrate .
And that's scientifically is put that happy hormone into your body , the bloodstream , so your chemistry start change . Then you start to have this alertness , you have the motivations to want to do more . So that is the magic of the ABC .
Exactly exactly , and I've seen it work in my life and I've seen it work in other people's lives , and it just really is so simple when we can make the behavior so tiny that it doesn't require much motivation at all , and it really doesn't need much else than that prompt or that anchor .
Yeah , yeah , but it's still a neat practice . That's how we have the recipes , we can change it . And if that income moment is not really work , then change different time and behavior . If that behavior is really not able to do it , you don't have ability or environment to do it . Change it and play with it .
And celebration is the one I never give up , like that part needs to be there all the time .
Sure for sure , and that's the one that was . I don't know about you , that was the hardest one for me is celebrating , because it just felt kind of silly . But then I realized , if I could do the celebration part , it really did rewire my brain and it felt really good . So I allowed myself to feel good about whatever that yes behavior was . So yeah .
I think that is very difficult for me when I'm in the low consciousness , low vibration , because everything is kind of grinding . But then I think maybe the timing is right because I don't need to live that life anymore . So I choose to be lighting up and just enjoy the moments . And my style is still very just gentle , just smile .
I don't do jump or the superhero , Because I was just like how can I do that ? But sometimes I play with it when there's nobody around , so why not ?
That's great .
Yes .
Well , sunny , talk a little bit about how , when someone comes to you and they need some guidance on what are the opportunities out there to learn , I mean , where does someone start , not just the self-worth part , but where does someone start learning about vibration , learning about consciousness ? How do you even start that , that whole process ?
well , first , I have a framework called slow it's acronym , actually , so self-awareness , and for the s is we are all aware in the way . But can we ditch the awareness and start to shift that a little bit ? You know , know , the pauses can really do that Like . This is the tiny habits . I use it as a strategy pauses .
So when you pause then you shift the language in your mind . You can play , you know , key points in the day , the morning , the mid days and before you go to bed . So practice that self-talk , different self-talk , different self-talk . Pause and recognize yourself and celebrate . So that can definitely increase your self-awareness .
And also , if they're really looking for some tools , I have toolbox can be positive psychology , I can have esoterics , I'm doing the ancient wisdom style . So there's all different toolboxes . That depends on what they really want to open up . And the second one is L , it's the lifestyle .
So I will like to know how they wake up and how they eat and all those different lifestyle . If there's something I can tune up a little bit , I'll give them a suggestion and they can go ahead to practice and come back to okay , yeah , it worked for me or it's not . Then we can work together again . And the always openness is the posture .
To be honest , it's physical . So if we are like lotus , you you know , just do that all the time . When you feel constructed , just expand it out . So that is the openness , but also that remind us to be open to different opinions , sure . So don't take us seriously that kind of thing . And the last one's , the w , is wisdom .
We have so many wisdom within our body , right and right now . We have a technology actually can help us . They are using the energy , they're using the lights , all the physical work . They don't need to give you the medicine or surgery , but those lights from the natural resources can boost your energy .
So I do have products I suggest for people to try it to see whether your energy flow becomes differently , and also your movements , but all the slow , of course . Slow pass , don't push too much and have your segment of time to dedicate to slow . It's like schedule a calendar with a slow or joy , whatever you call it .
At that moment you have to just break through , just be you . Then that slow really help a lot of people that want to get things done and don't have the right energy , because once you flow , you just follow your own way . Then you will have more energy to do anything you like at the right time .
Because sometimes I think we are misaligned when we have the most energy , we do something not necessary using that energy , but when we don't have enough energy , we force ourselves to do something that needs a lot of energy . So it's really the alignments and understanding your own flow that can just fix everything .
Oh , that's good , that's good . Well , and can you give me an example of someone who has come to you and what you've seen the result from , so that listeners can understand what they could , you know , learn from this ?
Yeah , I'm one of the Thrive Global coach and among those coachees we call them to come to me . They are all curious about oh really , we have different energy flow . I say , yes , everybody's different , right ? So we do have unique way to see ourselves , and that is one angle . The other , I'm doing some esoteric reading .
So people just need to give them their birth certificate , time , location . I actually can disclose their energy profile because they have all the system now , there they are . I don't want to say scientific proven , but it's evidence-based . So when you know that , then you can play with it .
You don't need to totally trust it because you know self-doubt actually can use for a good use . But don't doubt too much . You need to be , I'm not sure , but you can play with it . You're curious about it , right ? So you play with whatever . Then you can see the differences . For myself , it's definitely , you know .
I start to shift it because I know my energy need to be more allowing . I'm not good for forcing . If I'm forcing too much , everything's gone . But if I just relax and sit there , people come in and you know , I don't even know how did you find me ? I don't know . I just want to talk to you . You know , those people start to fly and flying , is that ?
Wow , if I really know that , I can just kind of , you know , stay there and know what I want , and since people will come because they are ready , I'm ready yeah in a way , I think it's just the energy .
Once we know how to flow with your own energy , then things become much easier and you have more energy because you don't waste your energy to force , to go to the wrong place or do too much and you don't really have things to maintain yourself . That's how I see a lot of female entrepreneurs . They are working in this environment .
They think it's the only way to stand out strong . You know , I want to be the superwoman In the body builds . We are really different than male . We need to use our advantage as a female body and don't fall into the system the male created . Now , not necessarily good for everybody , right . But if they're successful , that's great , we celebrate for them .
But we need to find our own way , knowing our energy flow and knowing our genetic profile , because that system I'm using it , is related to our genetics .
So get back to my molecular biologist , because now we know , right , the genome , human genome is just part of the framework right but lifestyle and the epigenetic , the epigenome we call the epigenetic inferences like your lifestyle , your thought , your diet , environments , your sleep , all that can impact your genetic right .
So that happy is really the lifestyle it's really just love ourself and relax and slow down , yeah , then your gene would turn around the right way then you don't need even worry about like .
You know how to activate our gene , but you just happen it sounds like a way of just finding your place in the world . Is that what it is finding your place ?
yeah as well , even finding is part , but it's like accepting this the other way finding and accepting .
I love that . Yeah , I love that yeah well , I always try and ask my guests about their personal
¶ Navigating Strengths and Self-Awareness
strengths . I'm a gallup strengths coach and I think there's a lot of science in the gallup CliftonStrengths assessment and everything . And what do you see as your own strengths , your own personal strengths , that have helped you kind of navigate this ?
Yeah , it's fun Like three years ago , before COVID I take , and now it's totally different . Like my highest in then is spirituality .
Yeah .
But now my highest is the curiosity . But I can see myself actually maybe just move around . It's the same , like maybe scale got a little bit shift right , sure . So my um , I think the highest I have is curiosity , love to learn , humor . Then spirituality is still there , but it's number five now . Then I have some things like openness too .
I am just accepting more other than total force . So that's how I put it all together . I'm curious because I'm the mentor , so I always ask questions about my people hey , how you do that right ? Then I will put some humor . use my own story , say hey you know I learned this way , Then I also like to learn .
So I'm constantly learning new tools and to see how people apply and how they speak , how they communicate . That is my fascinating to like , observe human behavior , human communication . So that is , I'm practicing it . But I'm not sure after four years my strengths will shift , because what I see is the personality can shape and we can change the personality .
Someone says it's hard . I think no . If once you know yourself , your energy , you can flow it , just choose it . But the essence never change . Thus I find out . My essence is always there , but the personality I can choose . When you are aware you got more of a consciousness . Oh , I'd like that personality before , but how about this right ?
So it's not denying ourselves , it's just kind of involved it's just very flow right for me . Yeah , that's kind of fun oh , that's great .
Well , give us some last tips on um for people listening , about how they can maybe find and understand their own energy , and give us a tip or two if you would yeah , the things I practice myself is called the heart brain coherence is basically , if you feel your mind is non-stopping , just crazy .
You want to slow down , right , you want to slow . So that is the time you do the heart-brain coherence . There's three simple steps . You can find it at the heartmassorg . They're backed by all the scientific data , so it's not like a make it up . So the first step is you just pay attention to your heart area , so we call it heart location or heart focus .
You can touch it . Our hand is all the energy . You just touch your hand . Um , using your hand , touch your heart . So that is the first step . It's a heart focus . And second step is to call heart breathing . Basically you , the heartbeat . The rhythm actually is not that super fast .
So if you do follow that rhythm , you know in and out , in and out , you slow down your breathe and go deeper too . Then that's called hard breathing . And the third is when you get into the rhythm you start to think about or just imagine a beautiful forest or a good food or , um , puppies , you know , make you smile , anything , make you smile .
You skip back to that imagination zone . So it's sweet together . You know heart focus , heart breathing and heart feeling . Then you can calm down your crazy mind . A monkey mind will be just kind of flow with your heart , because heart has more of the power . They have a more of the energy field in our mind .
I think it's like 500 times more higher or something . It's very strong . But sometimes we just don't pay attention . We're just using our head and drive true , yes , so true . So if you combine you actually can erase the self-judgments , because the heart they don't have the judgments .
It's our mind , it's our mind .
So once you practice that , anytime you feel anxious or something , you just let the heart take over , then that worked Very , very , very simple , less than two minutes every time you do that I love that , but you have to consciously make an effort to do it that's how the tiny habit become powerful
¶ Practical Tips for Post-Zoom Moments
. That's right into the behavior . You know . Just find an anchor moment after each zoom meeting you . You got two minutes , do that . I love that have to . You know , before sleep , do that .
Yeah , that's great .
Make a recipe , yeah .
Yeah , I love that . I love it , Sunny . Thank you so much for sharing your wisdom and expertise with us . I really appreciate it .
Oh , thank you for having me as a guest .
Fantastic , and we'll put your contact information in the show notes and you're doing podcasting . You're doing all kinds of fun things that people can keep learning and growing and connect with you as well .
Thank you so much , Judy .
And thank you for listening to Stories of Change and Creativity and remember if you've got a story to share or know someone who does . Reach out to me at judyoskam . com .