Irreconcilable Similarities (S1 EP25)

Still the Place with Laura Layton, Courtney Thorn Smith.

And Daphne's Aniga an iHeartRadio podcast.

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Yes, So, Daphne, you've been reading some comments on Instagram and you want to talk about what they're saying.

I just briefly want to say that we're trying this new format and we hope that y'all.

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Some of you are watching along, some of you are just listening to the podcast, and we're going to give this another.

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And that you are having fun with us, because we're having a blast and this is a great episode.

We're trying something. It's a little less linear because we kind of felt stuck, So stick with us. If it doesn't work, we can always bring back stuff that worked or didn't. But we just wanted to have it be more free form so we could talk and tell stories and just have more fun with it.

So just working.

Give us a second. None of us are fans of change, but let's see how much fields. Give us a few weeks see if we can get our footage. So this episode, episode twenty five, it's so busy. I love it because Jane and Michael are back in the episode, Amanda and Billy are in the episode. Robstie's is in the episode playing Sam Marcia Cross is back playing Kimberly.

Matt has a line, and Jake does he has a line?

No, he doesn't, I'll tell you.

I will do yeah, exactly what math is a line. He's also roasting a marshmallow, which is very exciting. That's right.

I will tell you that he does have a line in this episode, So that's exciting.

Go and Jake, unfortunately are not making out. We're all disappointed. They're kind of support stuff in this episode.

They should considerable restraint.

I think the theme in this Courtney quite appropriately, I think, is change, big time change.

For a lot of our character, bringing it back around, and it's also being uncomfortable with change. So the show's starts and we come in on Billy. It's directed by Nancy Malone, who's one of our favorite directors, and she does this shock coming in on Billy, who can't get comfortable in Amanda's fancy apartment, which is, you know, a metaphor for him not being comfortable in her life. And the episode for Billy and Amanda is really about them trying to find a way. He moves his chair and

Away, so super mad at her about that.

We're already mad at her. And she is going through life just sort of steamrolling through the entire episode saying, yeah, I'm moving to Seattle. I feel really good about it. I'm moving to Seattle, I feel really good about it. On Monday.

On Monday, why, Yeah, it's so funny, Conny, you just said you said I'm moving to Seattle so fast I thought you said, I'm just gonna settle.

I'm gonna settle. I'm going to Seattle. I'm like, yeah, that's what she was doing.

And I was taking my notes.

It kept saying settle. I was like, yes, So Alison's moving to Seattle. We're all super annoyed. She's presenting it to everybody. There's a great scene where we'll talk about it. But she comes in when Joe and Jake are helping Billy move, which is so psyched as he's moving, and she's gonna announce this. You know, I'm going too. I'm going to Seattle. I think it's a really good idea. I'm going to go get some boxes.

She's just gone.

Right now, what happened Alison and Amanda. Allison's already getting really mad at Amanda because she's leaving D and D because she's got this great idea to move to Seattle. What could be wrong? Amanda is annoyed, and at one point Allison says, you're jealous of me, and Amanda says something like, well, I have Billy. So there's that conflict. That relationship isn't working. Billion and Billy and Allison are heartbreaking because Billy's leaving the apartment, Alison leaves, Billy watches

You with massive piles of popcorn. They obviously have their routine from the past.

They want to watch it in the same way, same world.

They should have done split screen right, like they're each trying to and Keith is trying to kiss Alison and we all just want to hit him in the head. And Amanda is not paying any attention. She doesn't like it, and you just, you know, you're screaming at the tv. Just be together, Aga, go over yourself. Why can't they

And they don't talk about where they've been, but they were gone for.

A while, just behind closed doors. They were running it. They were a target.

They were. Now they've got a very cool storyline and they're.

Now they're back. So Rob Esti's who is Josie's real life husband, comes back as Sam, who's Michael's old college friend. Michael's working so he can't go to dinner.

Josie and Rob just got married basically this now they're doing these in real life.

Yeah, they were newly woods at the time, just insanely attractive. Right when they're on a scene together, you're just like, stop it. You're both your attractive.

So beautiful.

So Jane goes out to dinner with Sam and he confesses his feelings and kisses her and she's not quite resistant enough. And when Michael goes back to guess who's back. Marsha Cross is Kimberly. So it's interesting how they set that up because we know that something happens with Michael and Kimberly. But they had Jane make the first mistake right even though Sam kissed her, she kind of kissed him back, so that gave him the out.

So so much.

Oh my god, there's so much. It's so exciting. Let's talk about all of the relationships.

The title of this episode is Irreconcilable Similarities.

Also, it's written by Chuck.

Pratt, and it just is like such a All the parallels that you described are so cool and irreconcilable Himilarity is such a good title for Yeah.

And also I feel like the in a meta sort of way, Melrose Place is now there were more Melrose moments, the familiar Melrose It's like becoming more to the forefront.

Like there were a couple of lines.

I had that Amanda says to Alison, like when you said when you said. Towards the beginning of the episode, Allison's like, oh, yeah, I'm going to moving to Seattle and has nothing to do with you and Billy, and she's like, don't forget your raincoat, Like that was such an Amanda line, don't forget, oh Alison, don't forget your raincoat, And there were a couple other lines like that, and then you know, so you see there were a few of.

Those Melrose uh kind of like what did she just say? Moment.

Well, it is the first time we're seeing Amanda's character decide it's okay to be bitchy, Like I see her as like coming into the scene trying to be nice to Alison, like, hey, are we okay?

Is kind of how she started the scene.

But Allison's in her defensive mode and goes off without well, I heard about how you've you know, treated other employees, and nobody likes it. You're acting all professional and you got your game face on, but nobody really likes it.

And Amanda says except for Billy.

Yeah, I wrote that line, dog because I liked it so much. She says, the truth is that Allison says, the truth is that everything you say is a disguise for something else, and I'm tired of it. Everyone is tired of it. And Amanda goes everyone except Billy game on, right, I mean, starting to see Amanda really Amanda.

There they go, Then we'll see at the end of this episode, you know, Allison has her say with Amanda at the barbecue, at the bonfire, so it's it's really picking up. And then the re entry of Marcia after we haven't seen her since Christmas episode the.

Middle of this season.

Now we're in episode what twenty five or something, but Marsha's back, Kimberly's back, and she's very Kimberly like, and it.

Gives those relationships every reason to think about like, hmmm, this other person over here is the grass greener, and this irreconcilable similarities theme really shows, and all the relationships.

And everybody making these crazy decisions, like you see that Billy's making this crazy decision to move into the Amanda without really thinking because he doesn't know what to do with Allison. And then she goes to Seattle. We've got everybody leaving. There's a big going away party. And did you guys notice I'm going back to the scene with Alison and Amanda because I didn't understand this when Amanda lee, oh, it's raincoats. I was just going, why did you say, don't forget your ring and.

It's raincoat?

It just literally just can't take bad notes.

Ring your auto spelling is.

A little let's don't forget your ring.

Those are just bad notes.

Don't forget your ring.

I wish Billy would just put a ring on it, for God's sakes, but then we wouldn't have a show.

I guess.

Oh, I really wanted to know, Duff because I'm furious about it. What are Joe and Jake doing at dinner with Billy and Amanda?

Well, I have an answer for you because the scene before, you said I'm going to Seattle bye, and you kind of just looked at us, and I think in Allison's protection with just saying like I'm out, I'm out of here.

And I said, well, when have you told your boss?

What about your work?

What about us? Based when you say it.

Was the ugliest lamp from like the buglest Lamp, and that's.

Supposed to be enough.

Oh my gosh.

Anyways, so it was just dinner. So then we had dinner with Amanda.

So you're looking for a new friend. You think maybe Amanda will be your new friend.

But the funniest part years later, you guys are.

Wait, we should have asked Chuck when he was here just a couple episodes ago, because he wrote this thing.

But I think, but don't you guys, I think like this, let's let's talk about the chair. It's not just this chair. It's a squeaky old ugly chair.

Like there should be a name for that, the squeaky old ugly chair suit.

Kind of like Fraser. Remember in Fraser, the dad had that chair. Well, Billy's version of the Fraser chair. It's I don't think it's a bad looking chair. It's a big leather chair.

Big leather, but it's squeak, the metaphor for their you know first.

But yeah, and at that dinner scene every time, like it squeaks like the sound.

Guy was like.

And then Amanda sits on his lap trying to be coy and it's like.

Eh, they're both in it together.

Yeah, and during that dinner party they decide to throw the chair away, like Billy concedes about thrawinway. So I actually, little Sidner, I thought a good idea for Meloy's men. It would be when you've had to merge your houses with a partner, because I have a lot of stories about that. That would be fun. Stick a pin in it. But so he's moving it out and Jake is following him and giving him some really good advice. Right, he's saying, you know, Jake is saying, you gotta be careful, Billy, like,

Yeah, he said, Well, he says, what what's next? You're sacrificing this this old chair that's so comfortable to you. It's your comfort, it's your world, it's who you are. So are the old things that t shirts that you wear around the house, Like that's you, that's not her.

But also like, yeah, what's she gonna ask you to give up next guys night, you know, night with the guys or whatever.

And what's she given up for you? Is the last question he and.

Billy says relationships are about sacrifice. I'm like, well, they should be a fun and.

Love and compromise, not compromise. Yeah, not sacrifice. I like compromise better, yeah yeah.

And then Billy goes, I'm not keeping score, and Jake goes, if I were you, i'd start Yeah, maybe I should. Apparently he's not a huge fan of Amanda and Apparently.

He can talk because his girlfriend and he live right next door to each other and they don't have to sacrifice anything because of each other. O an apartment in their own decorp nice. Easy for you to say, Jake, helpful. But you guys are equal, don't you think?

Like Joe and Jake, the sweet thing about them is their equals. And I think what he's seeing with Amanda and Billy is that it's It's so funny because as I start saying it, I like, I have so much rage about that relationship, and it really comes up like that's stupid relationship. It's so stupid.

And then I hope you have a good therapist because I don't want you to relive this.

You imagine I got the therapy and I said I need to talk about Billy and Amanda. She'd be like, who, I'm like their characters on a TV show for thirty years ago. I really need to talk about it.

They're still pissing me off.

They keep kissing. It really makes me that she kind of treats Billy like a little boy, which is really shown by he sits on the floor like none of the furnit, the finah is all is pretty but uncomfortable, so he ends up sitting on the floor, as it is more than coffee on the floor.

More than one scene he's sitting on the floor in this episode, and I didn't have a Boxers mentioning that.

She treats him like a child.

Well, he actually sort of speaks to her in his like a little little cutesy baby voice too, just sort of incongruous with their like what seems like her sophistication whatever.

It's sort of.

Illuminated by him going, oh, what did it?

And he's like just all cute and I don't know, kind of like a little baby.

Well.

This this is also that great moment that where they're showing like they did move too quickly, so they had things they liked about each other. Obviously, they're both super attractive, they're both sexy. They move in and then they start to see the differences, like she thought she would help him grow up, he thought he would help her loosen up, but they find neither of them wants to do that.

Well, he really came to that conclusion, like super out loud by the end of his story arc and by the end of the episode when he really has to confront her and say, hey, I don't think this was a great idea.

Is moving in together?

This all went to quickly, and you know, while I'm being honest, I don't think I like you very much. He was like, Oh, now that I've gotten to know you, I don't think I like it. Like he really like, yeah, all of it just well.

He said that, but he blew up after she insulted Allison, and I wrote it down, said I love this line so much. She says, kind of apropos of nothing. She says, I'm glad I'm not Alison. I'm glad I'm not some ditzy, indecisive little Midwestern nitwith Yeah.

That was a lot.

I mean, I really say things. I would say things like that if you're in a fight already. But these guys were like letting each other have it, getting in like that's what led to the fight, Like, you know, I think, which goes back to my argument about the chair.

I think the chair was more than a chair because she was like, in your ugly effing chair, you know, like that's.

Really what the chair is more than a chair? Well it was, so it is like the subtitle.

And then symbolizes him like he wants to bring in his full self. She doesn't want it. She wants this handsome young guy that she thinks she's going to make into the man her husband wants her father not her husband. Upsy, there's a little forty.

Oops what I mean.

Father wants him to be, but he doesn't want it. And that's why it's so sweet. This Chuck did such a great job on this, this spread of how much Billy and Elison really have common and they're trying to make their partners be each other and it's just not because there's a scene they run into each other running at the same time, same neighborhood, and.

Well, wait to hold on, and they only they run into each other court because he leaves the marina where he's living with Amanda to go. He goes, I'm going running, and she goes, well, why are you taking your car? He's like, because I'm going back to Melrose. So he's going to see her at the right time.

She noticed running. Yeah, so she knows, and they literally run into each other and it's so cute, but they each say that they're trying to get their partners to watch it and neither like Amanda doesn't want butter on a popcorn and keep this hitting on Alison like it's all wrong. They're both so frustrated and obviously.

Hitting on her. He's like climbing on her.

He is climbing, he is.

He's like draping him and us.

Pretty soon she's got a pillow over her. She's like, more padding, more, start the pillow.

She started with the barrier, the pillow barrier.

I think, Courtney, you playing Allison and Keith story must have been so hard because it was like a pendulum constantly.

One scene, you're like, I'm gonna move with you.

You're in the car together and I'm gonna move with you, and yes, of course I'm in love with you.

Of course I've been thinking about you. And the next minute you just keep going goingugh, what stop.

She's trying to talk herself because in the car, she says, it's so hard to have a conversation because you always say the right thing.

Yeah, I did appreciate it.

That's the right thing, right, Like she's trying to make this thing work, but it doesn't really. There's a time when they're at the beach and he says he's moving in on her and she's trying to get some space, and he says, when I find something that's right that I know that I want, I grab onto it and I don't let it get away. And I was like, oh, it's stalker one oh one.

Yeah.

He also like there was that was the scene on the beach.

By the way, you're wearing the cutest baseball You look a door horrible. You got jeans and a baseball hat on on the beach.

You're so cute. And then but you.

Were like Allison was trying to be sort of playful with him at one point, and like you literally got down into like pounce position and you were like gonna be playful, and then he ruined it by saying something about like, oh, this is what it's like in a marriage or something like that.

He dropped the word marriage, and you're like, no.

No, no, no.

No, Now you've gotten blown it by talking about marriage.

Yeah, she's trying to bring up some really true concerns about this is scary, we're moving so fast, and then you just gas slights her and says you're crazy. Of course it's normal to move to Seattle on Monday. Of course that's a perfectly normal thing to leave your job

Yeah.

Yeah, I feel like it reminds me so much of when I was young, where I think when we're young, we tend to think about love and coupling up and being in a romantic scenario. It has it has to do with a certain amount of you not being you, a certain amount of this idealization and this fantasy feeling and like he's going to be like this and I'm going to be and all I have to do is just do this and Okay, I'll get it.

I did this constantly. We'll talk about in Melroe's minute.

But like she's like, you're like, you're saying, I can't just sit home and be me. I mean it's working for Billy to go off and be with Amanda. I'm supposed to go off and be somebody else, Like I'm.

Supposed this is me being an adult.

You know, as much as she keeps saying, Like there's a scene too in the apartment when she's saying, but I want to work and I want to keep doing this and I want to keep living my life, and he goes, of course you should do that. But I think the audience knows he really is trying to control her, Like she keeps bringing it up and he kind of gaslights her and says that's not true. But she's really trying to be heard and he keeps saying the right thing.

Right, because he also said there's tons of time to get a job. You take a couple of months, Like yes, who has time to like do that.

Like you know, she's already.

Said I need to make a living. I need to you know, I need to have money. I need to have work. I need to be somebody who works. It's like, oh, there's time, tons of time, you know, there's not Yeah.

When Allison sends her an email over the baker over the weekend, Lucy's trying to tell her, like what are you doing? Why are you there's telephones like, say Lucy the boss. Yeah, Deborah Dare who we adore, And she's trying to tell her, and she says, just tell me what is in Seattle that you're not getting here? And Alison goes Keith and Lucy does. Deborah is the biggest I roll like her entire can't you pick.

Up the phone?

Like big mistake?

Current, Like I.

Made a note about that that Lucy is always giving you great advice.

Yeah, She's always willing to promote you, believe in you, encourage you.

And all Alison does is dismiss her advice, take advantage of her, trying to give her promotions and things and the responsibility that comes along with that at work.

Like she's trying she sees her as a Lucy.

Lucy sees you as a younger version and really trying to help you. And all Alison does is like it's she says to her, it's complicated.

It's not fucking complicated. It never is.

It's just you say that so that you don't understand, you know what I mean, Like nobody understands me.

No, we understand.

It's just it's not that Younique bring you way back to a time. Yeah, I don't know if you guys ever did bring me back to It's one of my first movies, and I was trying to tell the director that I had to leave early because my boyfriend was like he was on the movie too, and he had to leave the next day. And I kept saying, I

But I'm good for that assistant for sharing that with you that you just didn't.

Yes, that assistant was Lucy.

Don't you understand that was Lucy And she was talking to Courtney.

It was like, you're saying, daff like she's always giving so much for Allison, and she said, you know there is something called notice, giving notice like that, you didn't even give me notice for the job, like talk about it.

I'm professional.

And yet at the end of that conversation with her, she says, let me know if you need a recommendation. She's still willing to like support you and root for you, even though you've just done all the wrong things with the way you've left the job.

Won't be there if you want to come back, she says.

And you can see that hit Alison when she says,

And he just loads the bags in the car. I don't know.

I thought that the airport scene was shot really well too, where after he drives you go. After Billy drives Keith and Allison to the airport in his cab since their shuttle didn't show up, then he also says, hey, I'm going to walk you to the gate. And then it gave them an opportunity to have another private conversation because Alison says, Keith, why don't you go get us seats on the plane. So Keith disappears, thank you, and then Billy and Alison have this really great you know, honest

And walking with her. Do you remember if that was a Bourbank It looked it was Bourbank. It looked like Bourbank Airport.

Did it look like a real airport to you? The front of the airport looked like someone had hand painted a sign and put it on top of the Valley Airport.

It looked a lot like Yeah, they it was a made up name for an airport. They called it Valley, but I think it was Burbank Airport where the layout was shot. And that little half fence strikes me is like the way you approach an airplane whatever.

It was just a really great way to.

Shoot the scene, to be able to see Billy and Allison having this conversation. He was coming out and saying it, don't do it, don't leave.

Did you guys just see that Bob Dylan movie. It's so good. I've seen it twice.

But there's a scene like that in the airport where the cycling fence is high. So they're like this, but they're talking to each other and they just have this heartbreaking thing.

And I saw this scene, I'm like, I wonder if he stole that from Melrose Place.

We have a huge, a huge influence on the world of movie, right, he's on the film world. I think that scene's been done a lot. But it's this sweet thing when he's saying please don't go, and you really think for a minute she's not going to. They have that, Like how many sweet heartbreaking hugs are Billy and Allison?

Well, listen another line that he said there, which was so revelatiyor to me. He says, you can't go and she's like, you know something like what's here? And he's like, no, these are like the best people you met in your whole life. I know, because they are the best people I've.

Met in my life.

Yes, And I was like wow, it just like made me feel really good, Like, Okay, these people are good for each other.

And they had a big influence on Billy, do you know what I mean?

Because that whole apartment thing, because we all just do stuff to each other, but like, they are really great for each other. This is the time in life where we depend on each other and we really have these good friendships.

And she doesn't really have a strong enough response to it either.

She's like, I have to go, I have to get on the plane, and.

Like whatever that is insider her that makes her feel like she has to follow through with what she said she was going to do, and.

She well, it's Billy. It's that Billy's with Amanda. Because I heard that line, this might be my self centered because I was like, that's really about Alison trying to project everything I can. But I thought, because it's the thought, I thought he was saying the micro version of the best person I've ever met. Like I think it was about by.

That time he said that he's moved out and they're over. I'm just arguing with this logic here for you, of course, but that's.

What I'm saying, like he's saying a moment, don't go again. This is my rewriting of the scene, don't go. I wish I thought I wrote it down. I can't find it.

No, it's I I mean I can.

You know, you can think of what you want, project aw you want. But I think he really did me because if you think about it, even in this episode where he lives with Amanda, he still has had these moments with these people.

They've had scenes of moving helping him move the chair.

He's had talks with with Grant, who's been there for him.

He's, you know, like, these are great people. That's how I read it, and I just.

I think the show Yeah, yeah, no, I think you're totally right.

But he could have been covering it like you're my best person, don't leave.

He could have been that's that's what I'm doing, That's that's the story.

Yeah.

And but but that she in her response is just like I have to go. There's not like we don't understand that as an audience, we.

Can't understand why do you have to go?

When this guy is just finished saying he's done with Amanda, he's you know, saying you can't go. I want you to stay these people and me and us where all the best people will ever know, don't get on the plane like he's been like laying it all out, and she still goes, I have to go. And I wanted to say, why why do you have to go?

Well, because she's sort of moving ahead, she's got her blinders on, she's not taking the time. It's just like Daphne said about why Joe is probably annoyed with Allison because she just said, I have to go. Even at the goodbye party, like they're not she's not really talking to her friends. She and Amanda are having this really intense conversation.

Amanda have it.

Yeah, she's doing before I go, I just need to tell you all these things.

Yeah, and you know what, Amanda, I really don't care what you think of me. And that sets her free, you know, like think say whatever you want about me, don't.

It also sets it up because we know obviously Ali's going to come back, because there's lots more seasons of Melrose.

Does she live? Does she live in this apartment?

I thought she moved, Well she's got made it back both out.

Then who's who's paying the rent? Like someone else should move in there.

It also opened the door for like, all right, game on with all these relationships. Now I've told you, but I think of you, and now all bets are off. It's just going to We're going to come back. This this my nemesis. This is these are enemies. These are not like all these new relationships of Amanda being allowed to be a bitch, and Alison's saying, well, here's what I think of you. We've already said it, so now we can't like unsee it. And I think it's like

It makes me remember what Chuck was saying when he was our guest on the show of Like, you know, he's he's from the soap world. He's from turning things on its head like constantly, and these relations look blowing them up and then bringing them back, you know what I mean.

Like that's what he just did with Alison and Billy.

Like he's gone, she's gone, and even though he sucked you in, they're jogging together. They love all the same things, but it's just boom, and then he's going to very skillfully, you know, bring it all back in a different shape.

I mean, he just constantly he has to do this. This is the kind of writer he is.

Well yeah, and it's nobody being able to say what they really feel, like Alison. I think all the outrage Alison has an Amanda is really she's so heard about Billy. There's a great line at the end of the party when Amanda says something about all these great friends and Alison says, I've never seen you with many friends of your own. Yeah, and Amanda says cheap shot, and Alison goes right on target, and she's just so furious. But what she can't say to Billy is I want to

Well, Michael suggests that she didn't.

So what did you think of that dinner?

Like?

How how many.

Dinner between Sam and between Sam and Jay?

Well, first of all, their natural.

With the roses, and she got a kiss even no matter who was it was.

Well, she was going to be in a convertible driving her a little convertible. She needed a hat when Sydney all the all the scenes in this episode, she had her hair pulled back off of her face, either with a headband or her hav and stuff. So maybe that was just her transition. I mean, she's so gorgeous in every darn scene. Yeah, and the chemistry between Josie and Rob in the scene playing Jane and Sam was I mean undeniable, and.

They look beautiful, so beautiful.

Together, and that was, like we said, her husband at the time.

But what do you think about this friend, old friend of her husband's. Not But even before the kiss and then what gave him did he feel like.

He had permission to kiss her? Did was there a flirt that I mean.

Well he was talking about he was saying, you know, she goes, yeah, you can never find anybody basically because nobody held a candle to you. Yeah, and he's sort of crossing the lines at dinner. That's why I'm saying, Like.

That's true, that's true.

Yeah, did you find yourself sort of voting for them or like stop it, that's so inappropriate.

But wait a second.

So they dated before and Michael said, go on out with my old friend who you used to date.

They didn't date, No, Michael and Jane were always together and Sam was Michael's best friend, right, which Sam, it's It's like the Love Actually Seen where the best friend holds a torch for his friend's wife.

So he says, no one could hold a candle to you, because I see you through my best friend.

They were talking about all of his old exes, like all the people he dated, and how Jane never seemed to approve of them, and she was like, yeah, they were you know whatever, and he goes, well, good. The truth is, I didn't feel like they were enough like you. That's why I never found the ones, because no one was you. And he drops that bomb at the dinner.

So this is making me see it that this is a complicated situation unlike Alison's, because you're making me remember that it wasn't It wasn't Michael's idea.

It was Jane's idea. The scene before to have dinner with.

His Michael, it was Jane.

She said, I'll see him. He goes, I can't. Jane goes, i'll see him. I'll go, and then he goes, oh, Jane will go, yeah, she's doing great something.

No, I don't.

I remember Michael saying, but you you should go to dinner with him, don't you. I think I think I think we're I think we're all right right now, and yeah, let's look at it.

But deaf, I think you're right. I think she casually is.

Like I can go, like what but it was assumed to be platonic.

That's how I interpreted it.

Well, so you're presuming though, because now we're digging up their past, right, So let's think about it reality wise.

You know, in that moment it was played, I bought it as.

Platonic and for sure, oh that it came as a surprise during the dinner when Sam decided to drop that bomb, and then it opens the door of the conversation where she admits, yeah, you know, I guess there was a second one. I thought about you too, But that is all well in our past. I'm married to Michael. He's a great guy, and Sam's like, yep, he's the best,

He doesn't pull away super fast.

Oh you okay.

I mean I think she had a sense of I think Jane had a sense.

Of absolutely she was shocked.

Yeah, no, I think this was absolutely not okay, like this is I'm married to somebody else, but it's but I think the idea that like there had been something in their past, even if it was just imagined, like it didn't sound like because this was your original question, had they dated when they were earlier? Now we're discussing

Yeah, and when he goes to kiss her, she doesn't say absolutely not, and he makes a joke about it. I guess I shouldn't invite you up, and she doesn't say no. She says it would be way too tempting.

That's right, that's the next clue, and she had Yeah, so there's chemistry there.

Yep.

So I guess the overall question is and we could talk about in Meloer's minute, or we can just bring it up right now quickly.

You know, do you take that dinner if there's chemistry.

Jane knew there was chemistry when she said I'll go and Michael goes, Okay, Michael.

I don't think she did then.

I don't think she intended to.

Oh, so he pops up.

He's so gorgeous, and he's like, I guess I can't ask you up, and she's it would be too tempting.

It's just right there. Well, he says to each other forever.

When he drops the bomb in the scene, he says, confession time, I'm about to tell you I've always loved you.

And this is a subtext. None of those girls were.

Good enough because none of them were you. That's what he confesses to her, so he drops the bomb. I don't think she anticipated that at all. I think she was just like, I'm going to dinner with our old friend Sam, and that was that.

And even if she has in the back.

Of round they if listen, guys, if we have a history here of these three people, I don't believe that this is the first time that this chemistry is being Well maybe it's the first time there he's acting on it, but I don't think it's the first time she's felt it.

I mean, maybe it is their first time, like really alone. And he says that maybe it's been a sort of fun, unsaid flirtation, like we have guy friends who sort of flirt with but it remains unsaid exactly, And because you know, even though they seemed to beginning along this episode, they've been having a bumpy time. So maybe she's more open to it than she would be, because when they have their fight at the end of this episode, you really see why she's created with Michael.

Yeah, and I mean he's the one that initiated it.

He's the one that brought it up verbally and then kissed her and then you know, so it's on him.

And in my book, did.

You think he went to the hospital knowing that Michael may not have heard about the kiss from Jane, but that he was going to tell Michael anyway.

Oh yeah, So we're jumping ahead of it. So so Jane doesn't Jane's she doesn't tell Michael. She acts like nothing happened, so that later when Sam goes to tell Michael, look, I'm sure Jane told you. I'm so sorry Michael hadn't heard. So here's it for the first time. And do you think Sam do that to drop a bomb in the relationship, like.

To yeah, to cause problems? Do you think he did?

I think he. I think he wanted to be clean, so that.

If she had already told her, if Dane had already told Michael, like, look, he kissed me and nothing else happened, had already told him at least he'd be clean, like I'm admitting it too, and we can go on being buddies. And I'm so sorry. I hope you still want to be my friend. It will never happen again. But if she didn't say it, he's the first one to say it.

And also but prior to that, just deciding to do that confession at all, to say I've.

Always loved you all that self that.

Makes me, that makes me not as close as nothing to he was just h yeah, just telling Michael to clear his conscience. It was I think he's also got an agenda, So yeah, I think he's.

Being I think it's hard to know, self centered and you know.

And then of course Jane gets the backlash because she chose not to tell him because it was nothing, and she.

She didn't more than choose not to tell him, she sort of doubled down and made dinner was super super nice because she's so uncomfortablebout the whole thing. Yeah, maybe we see that famous Michael temper, right, and he's like, why did you not tell me? And I love it. She had this great line and she said this is why.

This is why. Because he goes.

Instead of saying you have I'm so scared, he said, I felt like a complete ass any rageous and then she says, it's always how you feel, keeping Michael happy, that's what this marriage is about. And he goes and what the hell is wrong with that? She goes everything. Yeah, you start to see these real because his rage is a real issue. And then he goes to the hospital and guess who's there, yep, yeah, and she says, no questions asked.

Kimberly's there, and she says we can have breakfast, no questions asked. And that just sounds like a really appealing alternative.

I'm starting to realize.

When I was getting to that scene at the end, I was like, I don't know if I can handle this show, because it's really all these people believe. I don't know how people hung in there for fives us because it's so wrong how they're acting like that in this marriage you just want them to communicate so that whatever happens forces on the outside at work or an old friend, you're stronger, you know, like I we want with our partners like we're a team no matter what happens.

And yeah, well it's that old thing and my wife doesn't understand me, right, So it goes to the hospital and he says to Kimberly, how come it's so easy to talk to you? And then I blow it at home so I don't know what home is anymore? And she says exactly the line you're talking Aboutlaura. Home is where you're appreciated. We're son by breakfast, no questions asked, and yeah, all right, let me do it.

Yeah, yeah your definition of home.

Yeah, like terrible to stand me, but you we have everything in common. And she is just rare into go like she is fully available. She's making no bones about it.

And you know how Thomas is playing this is so like, oh the dufist, you know what I mean, like the evil dufist, like evils.

Come on, not a Midwestern but an evil dufist.

Michael Mancini is such an evil dufus.

He says to Kimberlay, how come there's there's not working at home, as if she's not gonna step into that and take advantage of this dufus you evil dufus home.

Let me buy you a breakfast.

That's what every cheater starts with, right. My wife doesn't understand me. Our marriage is over anyway, it's we have an understanding or whatever we could get.

Yes, we put into all the lands. Yeah.

Again, this was a really great episode of irreconcilable shimilarities, similarities.

Chuck is great at like the lines right, Like I wrote down so many lines he did. It was really fun.

And there's a nice balance of each of the different couples and their their path but also the rom com with the Alison and Billie of it all.

The rom com vibe and the stick it to you Melrose vibe. Like it was a great balance of those.

Yeah, and did you notice more shorter scenes. There were so many scenes people weaving and not like it moved.

Yeah.

Remember in the beginning we have like four long scenes. It was moving so fast and everybody got woven in, like even though like obviously Ronda and Matt didn't have much and Joe didn't have as much as normal, but still they were all throughout.

I forgot to tell you where Matt's line was. It was at the campfire and some And Ronda has her second line of the episode. Her first is when she comes over Ronda's and she comes over and says, after Michael and janea fought, she knocks on their door and she walks in.

She's like, Hey, which one of us is driving the party?

Yeah, And that's a super awkward moment because obviously Michael and Jane are Friday.

That's her first line.

Then her second line is, hey, did anybody bring any Does anybody remember their old camp fire songs?

That was their second line.

And Matt has his first line where he says, nope, I left my ukulele at home.

I don't remember it at all.

Yeah.

I think I was waiting.

To see what Amanda and Allison, We're going to stay over in the corner to each other that fight.

I in my memory, Alison was much more passive. I like that she's got this spice. I didn't remember fighting.

She said, but she thought enjoying it.

And I think that that that really sets us up for the next episodes. It's like game on because these relationships people have kind of said what they think now, and now I feel like, okay, yeah, I get to go be these other versions in the.

I feel like I can't wait for the next The wagon's kind of going off the tracks, you know what I mean, Like because Kimberly is in.

I don't know if she's in the next one or not, but I have a feeling she is.

Keith has taken Alison off like things are just kind of anything can happen.

I don't remember being in Seattle.

It probably was Anna Karita. The funny thing.

I know we have to end, But one more funny thing did you notice in it? Like the first scene when we were we come from the ceiling and Billy's uncomfortable and Amanda walks in and goes, look at this gorgeous day. We're living in paradise, And she looks like she's going to open the curtains, but it opens a little bit and you see it's just a cement patio, so she doesn't actually open the curtains.

They went.

Curtains.

I know, it's so funny.

It's so funny because that that part of the marina is such a beautiful part to show. But that was just like the outside shots, you know, the exteriors, boom into her fancy apartment and then boom or did in sound Karita and there's.

It should be the ocean and she pretends to open it.

Yeah, close it yeah.

And also the idea that no, we didn't pay for that view.

Oh my boyfriend's on the floor.

Okay, I'll focus on that a big deal. All right, Well, this was fun and it's super fun if.

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