Why the UFC Cut Brad Tavares & Run It Straight with Big Body Cisco | Still Friends Show Ep.114

We're still friends, we're still friends, we're still friends, we're still friends, we're still friends, we're still friends, still friends, still friends. You mustn't wear the shooting in a. Gym. Still friends? Still, friends get a voice. It's. Way bad way done. The general was just out here with Post Malone, I think. Yeah, Allegiant. Last week. Great. Yeah, yeah, that was last week. That looked good too. Everybody said it was good. Yeah, that's. A good show it went.

From rap into country huh? Yeah, another dude went from rap into country huh? Crossover to. Oh, post post yeah, me neither. I I liked his like his Stony out. Yeah, like that. Did you watch his original music? Oh yeah, he was like, he's straight weird. Oh yeah, weirdos are always the one I get. Yeah, get that break. I almost. Forgot Post Malone. Went from rapper to I almost forgot, Post Malone. Oh, you know, before a rapper, He before. No, before a rapper he was.

I forgot sausage. Yeah. Before a rapper, he was like, like. The weird electronic music, Yeah, He'd be like the weird electronic music, right? I thought it was like, trolling was not. I thought it was like. An actual videos like trolling was. Not trolling. Jelly roll. So Jelly Roll, yeah, he was trying to like debut, I guess as like a hip hop rapper type artist. But he's actually he has country roots. He's from Tennessee. Yeah, from he's he grew up on

country. So that's, that's his stuff and he's he. Rapped for a long time though. Like he rapped before. He rapped for a long time though. Like he rapped before prison and everything too, if I'm not mistaken. Yeah, And then he rapped story prison. Yeah, yeah. Jelly Long. Story Jelly roll. Story last. Year looks like he's a country guy. Oh yeah. I. Feel so. Small looking a bitches right now. Right. He looks country though. He looks like a straight

hillbilly from the hillbilly. Too right? He looks like he looks like a hillbilly. Fucking liquor in the back, Yeah. His his making moonshine. Bootleg and whiskey. Moonshine. He pulls it off. He pulls first. First thing, he's a runner. Cigarette. Coffee and whiskey, yeah. And a Michelob coffee. And whiskey. I had a high school teacher that says Brett was supposed to meth, cigarettes and alcohol and smell like. EE teacher. Mr. Taga, Damn. Remember his name? Still Taga.

Brush your teeth. Cold bro. Is there any chance Mr. Taga is still alive? Oh. Yeah, definitely died from. Throat. I was in the days when you could smoke. He just smoked right in the back of the class. I was in the days when you could probably wasn't not bro. School you in. Bro Lil whoa. Oh that's why. Fuck he was on chain smoker even at when he was. Out he does. He's burping his words like, Hey, Raleigh. Oh no, he's real raspy like.

With the little controller. Yeah, like that raspy song you. Know you guys had it on here. He's an auto auto shop teacher. Yeah. Oh yeah. How was Holo Holo Cisco? Oh, it was beautiful. It was beautiful thing. Kind of windy, but I mean, we can't control the thing. But it was dope. UB40 did their thing bug Comic Kings. That was supposed to be the hottest ticket, right? Was that Saturday night? Oh. Saturday was dope, Saturday was dope and then Sunday came.

We had still pulse, but man, it's always a good time at Holo Holo. That's when all the friends and family comes from everywhere and ask for tickets for that particular event. But. Holo Holo was good. That's just was it. Bro. They limited on my list. You got like 2 extra tickets. He's like bro I got like 100 of my Polly family flying in right now. Can't give you no ticket. Guys, go to holoholofestival.com and buy your tickets. How did this past year's or this

year's whole whole compared to? It's there's always new stuff like off the stage. So we had like an activation with Island Ave. Island city media. So it was dope. They were doing podcasting during. So it's good to see the growth

outside of the stage. So that was dope to see this year and it was always good to see the artist like Stan Walker was the standout for a lot of people that haven't seen Stan Walker because he's like coming up the ranks where you know, he's real the Maudie type chance, like real chicken skin

type performance. So I think his performance kind of stood out to me because you know, I'm always doing shows with the boys and you know, comic Kings and boog and all that, which is always a good time. But to see somebody like Stan come in this lineup where it's not, you know, everyone's kind of like happy, but it's like real feel, you know, real goosebumps type shit. So Stan Walker was definitely a treat.

Plus we had Jay Taj pop out. I had him pop out during me and Mustafa said we had Desi Hollow. So I try to bring the other elements that are not already island reggae. So I try to bring like the up and coming hip hop guys and try to just, you know, coincide and you know, put them in the mix because it was a good time to have somebody. You got island reggae all day with the artists.

So me and Mustafa's job is to kind of give you the others, give you the R&B break, give you the, you know, the hip hop break. So it was good to kind of bring artists to do that, which we're trying to do in every Hololo. That's sick. I mean, and the after party, you guys had a very special guest, huh? You can. See, those were so like both

nights. Comic Kings hosted the first night, which was Saturday, Boog did Sunday and every night like Sunday night we had Jo Koya there and Jo Koy wasn't even there thinking everything was going on.

He had a corner table. It was him and his son and some friends and we were doing our thing and he kept looking over and I kept saying, bro, it looks like Jo Koy and Jay Taj came to me. He was like bro, Jo Koy's here, he wants to meet Boog. He wants, he wanted to meet Jay Book. So Jay Book came went to go meet him. He just kept looking like dude, it's a vibe over here because we were playing your normal Vegas stuff. We like at a island vice party,

we play all island stuff. You know, we had Boog mixing in with some good hip hop old school R&B. So by the end of the night, he was right next to me. I was DJ and we're singing karaoke the whole night. So he was just like saying, dude, you guys got to do this every month. I was like, funny you say that. We do this every first Thursday, island vibes Thursdays. But he he lives in Vegas, so he has a house out here.

And I, we exchanged numbers and you know, he, he was he's a fan of Comic Kings, fan of J Boog and they were in the building and now everybody's there. So now we're taking pictures. You got Jo Koi singing karaoke with me, DJ and what stuff was over here. So it was just like, I always tell you, if you missed it, you missed it because I always tell you, you never know who's going to show up because Vegas is one of those things that anybody at any moment can show up.

Like we did a a thing the other day and Bruno Mars showed up at his spot and we're like, damn, it's just you never know in Vegas. So having Jo Koy there and kind of seeing what we do the next week, we're all in LA together. They were doing the Filipino festival and, and you know, and we're like, dude, you're in the same in town and just kind of have that connection now because you know, Filipinos, Hawaiians some more, we're all kind of like the same.

So when he kind of like seeing what he was doing is I got to come to the next show and he actually got invited to the Jo Koy fluffy guy show at sofa and that's almost sold out. That's a whole stadium. I think she can be huge, yeah. So just having that, you know, interaction with him, it was dope to see, you know, we see his shows and he's singing karaoke with me. He's singing Joe to see singing Kevin Campbell. And we're all drunk, like what's going on? So we woke up in the morning and

I have my photographer. I was like, dude, I need the footage. And he sends me all these videos of Jo Koy singing, Jo Koy rapping, you know, it's me I saw we put that all together and put it out there and went viral as far as, you know, Jo Koy reposted it.

Real cool dude too real down to earth, you know, considering what he does, you know, considering where he's at in his his career and just kind of have him shout us out and was, oh, you know, I had a good time with Big and Jay Taj and now, you know, that's our guy. He's piggybacking him for a little while. A. Little bit because the DJ was small so he was right here, like you just got to get around my shoulder. But he was around all the he felt out at home and his son was

there. And so it was a good, you know, it's a good family environment and there was like, not to say that I'm surprised, but there's no problems. Everyone's having a good time. So we always take pride in doing the after parties for Holo Holo because you did all the island reggae and family stuff. Now it's kind of time for everybody to let their hair down and kind of have a good time. Vegas style, but not Vegas style.

If that makes we had a dope spot at the Palms 55 floors up looking over, you know, the view of Vegas, but now you're partying with the likes of Bug Jo Koy, Comic King. You know, we had Sammy Johnson in there. So it was a good vibe, man. So next, this time you guys don't miss the Western Conference after party. I know it's a long day because everyone's that's the time where you can drop the kids off to the babysitter or whatever it is and go let your hair down. Go have a good time with us.

We're also going to have a this is a free party. No free. Party and Polly's love free so we are. When I was on stage I said look, come to the after party, come to the after party. Didn't get that much of reaction. Oh it's a free after party. The crowd went wild. I said y'all ain't shit. First of all, Free after Party was what it was and that's why we want to keep it because you get to mingle with the artists and stuff like that too. So it's a dope, yeah. And we're also going to get that

opportunity. Oh man, it's a good time for everybody. Yes, last time we were in here you were coming off big. Victory tied the record for the most wins in the middle weight division for the UFC News comes out. Was it late last week or earlier this week? Last week, I think. I was in the Barber shop and everybody's asking me. I was like but why the fuck would I ask him that? Is this because of Michael Bisping? No, no, my record the the last fight I had was the last fight

of my previous contract. So that contract expired, right? And bro, funny enough I was like damn bro, the UFC like whatever it is. I don't know if it's like some AI type shit or a department they have, but they are on it because boom, that contract expired and then boom removed from roster, whatever, whatever. Anyway, I was in the midst of negotiating my new contract, which I did and that's when all

of that news came out. So it was funny to me like everybody is reaching out, even like people like close friends and family, you know, like, hey, I saw this whatever. And then there was other people that like seen it. But probably like you like we're like, Nah, I don't like ask him about that. Whatever. But me, the type of guy that I am, I was just like, bro, I'm I'm gonna just leave it and not not address anything and just let people. Yeah, make their own.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, like. The MMA world is going crazy about this. Bro, it was funny. So somebody had commented me like you guys know how I do the uncle, the stories up and then he was like, he was like everybody's losing their mind on if you're out of the UFC and you're over here doing this laugh out loud or something funny. And I I just laughed. I I just laughed. Me just met your character like you just said, like that's just how you are.

Like if they don't know you like something like that that has the MMA world in a stir and my like Coco, like get a Coco I don't like. That's my guy right there. But I, but I, I feel like I was throwing like little things out there to kind of give like in So right when that story started, like people started posting it, I the next video I made was just like, Hey, what's up, gang? Everybody having a good day. God is good you. Know.

What I mean, God is good. Well, maybe because it was like on Sunday, everybody thought I was just talking about church, but I was throwing little subtleties in there. But me and Justin was in here like, oh, talking about it like it has to be the end of a contract and in negotiations for the the big contract, because you got to get the big money now and it's. Exactly what you want. You wanted people to make their own assumptions. No, I think he's doing fuck I I think he didn't care.

I just the type of person like I I can just go with the floor. Yeah and and regardless, like even even if like say that that was my my final UFC fight, like I I still, I just would be going with the flow. Like I'm not that type of guy that is out there for that attention or oh woo Hoo, pity me. Feel bad for in fact, I hate people feeling bad for me. You know what I mean? So. But if it was your last fight,

you went out on top. I mean, to go out with the red like that was like, it could have been like that. But now they kind of see there's still continuation to the. Story I bro, I like put it this way, like even though, and and that's the chance that you take right. So for sure if I had underperformed or lost that fight 100% that was in the last one, they would they'd have been like, look, sorry, you know, we appreciate you, blah, blah, blah. Or maybe they're just sort of

like good career. And you're talking about the risk of fighting out the contract and not negotiating earlier, not negotiating, getting that higher number, Yeah. Not negotiating earlier. And that's and that's the the the toss up right is like, it's been like that my whole career. Is that that last fight, the either the 3rd or the 5th fight, depending on the contract, you always want to show up and show out because that's the one that

you can negotiate off. If you coming off of a loss on that one, it's hard to negotiate, yeah. Especially when you come off a loss. You're like, oh, you. Just lost harder. Exactly. You just lost like why should we give you this like blah, blah, blah. At the end of the day, it's a business. So and and that's the chance you take is like, OK, so my fifth fight on that last contract was coming off of a loss.

So he's like, do we renegotiate here coming off of a loss or do we take the chance and we don't know who or what is around the corner, but do we take the chance? We're going to take this last fight and we can just put them on this fight and and go from there. And you know, God is good, like I said, and fight went the way it went. UFC has always been great to me and they gave me, you know, another contract. And so now I can go out there and and chase the like, hold the

record myself, you know? Get their record. I mean, there's, out of curiosity, does stories like Dominic Reyes come up in negotiations like, you know, guys that have like went on big skids or they look like they might be on their way out of the UFC and now he's like a fight or two from being back in a title fight type of thing? I'm sure all those situations come up. Luckily for me, I got one of the best managers in the business, Ali, and I'm I never have to really personally take part in

those negotiations. You know, that's what I. That's what their job's for. Exactly. That's why I take that stress off you. I've always trusted in him in my career. I've had two terrible, horrible management situations prior to getting with Ali and ever since I got with Ali, you know, is is everything that I felt like a management should be. They should be that person speaking for you.

They should be that person, that middle man for you between yourself and the company, the matchmakers, you know, but you personally as a fighter, you don't ever want to be a bad guy. You want somebody to go? To the You're trying to hire the bad guy exactly you want. The middle man, yeah. The good, bad guy. Yeah, Yeah. So. Is it, is it say like if you're, if you're on a fight, fight contract and say you, you go on

a just tear. Like you don't like how how McGregor came in and he went on his tear. Are you able to come in and try to negotiate early? Oh yeah, 100%. If you're if you're, if you're bringing in numbers and you're bringing in like knockouts and all this stuff, are you? Yeah, yeah. So you can negotiate. You can you like and and a good manager will do that for you. You know, they'll they know exactly when to push, when to pull type type of deal, right?

Like they know like, oh, demand is high right now. Yeah, less, less, less talk right now. If Pereira was probably one of those guys that could come in. Yeah, at the end of the day, this is like, although we fighting, it's a freaking entertainment business, you know, So that's that's what it is. Because I was talking to Tai Tu Yvasa on mines and he was coming up, you know, he's not on the best streak right now. He came up a couple losses and you know, he's going back to

fight. And it's like, you know, he's just a brand in his own. You know, we're talking about that where you know, the shoe and everything kind of took his its own, you know, mentality where he's a fighter that people want to see Brads a fighter that people want to see they're

familiar with. And I feel like those negotiations are easier for their management because they're like saying, look, this is my client, this is my, you know, that's my guy as opposed to someone that's like really like a no name got beat a couple of times. Then it's kind of like, all right, who's next? But I think with people like Brad and Ty, like they've been and they've offered a lot. He has the record. You know, you have the heavyweight heavyweights are

like scarce right now. And I was talking to him about it, where heavyweights you always want you want the knockout. And Ty, we've kind of grown to like love watching him knock people out, you know, from all the heavyweights. So I think you have to have a brand. And I think talking to him about the shoe was his kind of like alleviating some of that pressure. So if he did bad, he still had like the Shoei because that was a thing that everybody can kind of like, you know, resonate with.

So it's kind of like dope because I think when Brad's case, he has the record that's being chased right now. So like if he lost and didn't have that negotiations for the manager be like, well, they don't want you anymore, you know what I mean? So it's a business at the end of the day. Like I see like B was talking about where this is entertainment, like whether it's the WWE, wherever it is, you have to entertain the masses.

And if your client or yourself is not being one of those entertainers, you're just getting pushed out the way, not in a bad way, respectfully, but you as a fighter, as entertainment has to respect that it's a business. So I even hearing B talk about it's a business. Some people don't have that mentality. So I'm like, oh man, I all I did for this company is like, Nah. Then the day you got to remember it's a business too, but you

just got to be the business. It's just fortunate that B whoop dude's ass and now he's ready for the next one. Now it's ready to go. That's crazy. Like there's no social media antics or extra talk and it's just. Proof is in the. One of the best fighters on Earth for the past decade and a half. Yeah, that's crazy. And also it it comes to show how much of an impact you have on it, especially a Hawaii culture, 'cause everybody was like, what the fuck is going on? You know, the whole fucking

Hawaii was like, no fucking way. Fuck. Don't get me wrong, let me not make this a racist thing, but if Brad was a white boy, they probably wouldn't have that Mitch of uproar. But because. In our community, though, we. Were like, yeah, no, it's oh, you know what I mean? So that's why we always want to support our own. So hear that? That's why it was always is he with him? He's not with him. Everyone was kind of, 'cause that's kind of like our guy. The barbershop was all talking

about. I was like bro, I don't fucking bro and. You know what honestly is like that's like it's I, I appreciate it. Like even though a lot of not a lot of people brought it straight to me, to my attention. There was a few obviously even like randoms, Hey, I seen this blah, blah, blah. But just to feel like the support, like a lot of the messages that did come through was like, hey, I saw this. Don't know if this is true or not because I didn't comment on

it, right. But no matter what, you know, you make us proud. You make Hawaii proud and whatever you know, like like that type of stuff. So to all those people that did reach out, I appreciate you guys. I appreciate.

This so everybody was hitting me too that was like what's up with your boy I was like being gonna do what being gonna do so at the end of the day that's what it was but it was the support of everyone being concerned like Nah, I wanna see him get the you know people wanted to see one of our own that's. That's the big thing though. Everybody wants to see you get that. Record, man, that's like.

My, I get on group chat with like 3 of my best friends in them and we talk to each other every day, right? And so when that came out, I, I screenshotted the, the thing and then texted to them and I was like, well boys, it's been a fun ride. All all good things must come to an end. Thank you my. Brother and then and then one of my boys was like no fucking way. And I was like, I was like, ah, it's all good. I told him he work at Hawaiian. I was like, bro, maybe, maybe

Hawaiian Airlines hiring. And then I was like, I was like, I I texted one of my other boys is HPD back home. I was like, Nah, or maybe I go join my maybe I go join my brother. Yeah, maybe I go join my brother in blue. Yeah. So my friends was like, bro, no fucking way. And not one way and away from the record. That's not everybody wants to see it. No, that's like that's the tagline. Bro and I just keep going. And then you know Tony. Tony Diaz. Yeah, he, bro.

He reached out to me. Shout out Tony Diaz. You know, he's going through some stuff right now. Yep, but he hit me up and he was like, yo, did UFC cut you? And then I was like I said I said Yup. And he was like he wrote back he's like no fucking or something like that. And I was or what happened? And then I was like, I was like, bro, they told me that I couldn't have any friends. That's homos and I refuse to not be your friend. Damn fuck. You so. He was messing with everybody.

We don't have a big fun with this one. That's why I saw you got to do it or you got to keep it like. But you're not saying nothing, just made that whole like everybody talked. Even. Oh man. That's what made it even better. Yeah, that was dope. And I wasn't going to call it. I heard like Brendan Schaub say, I maybe he's, I heard the word is he's negotiating a big contract with GFL. He's going, he's good. He's going for the big payday

before his retirement bro. I the the the GFL like are we? I don't even think that's going to happen right? They cancelled, which is crazy. They came out, came out bro. As soon as they came out and signed all those guys, I instantly was like bro but. Honestly we should have knew like the fake draft were like they had like the list of the picks on the back of the screen already. Bro, but they sent out they sent out contracts to people vowed

agreements. I know the, the first thing that I remember, funny enough, is that the night of my last fight, we were talking about it myself, Ray and Eric more so Ray and Eric and I just kind of listening to them talk about it. But we have a few guys from the team, Cowboy being one of them that is in the GFL. And Ray was like kind of asking like, hey, like how's everything going with that?

Because I just I guess one of the venues that they said that the fight was going to be at, I guess Ray guys were having a shoulder and it came up that, oh, they hadn't even filed for the venue license or whatever. However that goes down, they haven't even they hadn't even filed for it. So I was like, oh, OK, whatever, whatever. So that was a Saturday. Monday, I seen Kai boy at the

gym and I asked him. I was like, hey, bro, just out of curiosity, because Ray and Eric was talking about this. Did you like get your like bot agreement? Whatever. Does it have the venue on it? Whatever. And he's like, Oh, they actually just sent me out a new one. It, it has a different venue now, but it has the, the date, the venue opponent, all of that. So he's like, oh, OK, all good, bro.

Not even couple hours later, MMA Junkie posted, Oh, all or the first two or three inaugural GFL shows cancelled. And I was like, oh, so I reached out to Kai and I was like, I was sure he had heard about it, but just in case, you know, like maybe he was just with his kids or whatever. I was like, hey bro, I know we just talking about this like, like, did they tell you anything yet? And then obviously, you know, frustration for him. You know, he's like dude, whatever, whatever.

Yeah, Long story short, he freaking he ended up getting granted his release from them. He went on to fight in Tough Enough couple weeks ago. Dominated. Smashed. Dominated too. He he should be. That that that organization grew a lot too. Yeah, really. Tough enough because I I remember. Going to it when it was free. Yeah, remember, it was all amateur. It was all amateur, free amateur. Scott out there was all

amateurs, was only amateur. But used to just come hand out Flyers and we used to just go and watch free tough enough. There's a few like those because I know Sean Merriman was doing Lights Out one. There's like a different, you know, then there's the PFL that Ray was doing for a little while. So it's just see, there's so many that's trying to get something, but then I don't know if somebody's throwing the monkey wrench in it. But like, that javel stuff was like, man, it came out of

nowhere where it was just done. Yeah. Like it's just like that MMA agent put it out there. I was like, oh, so that's why when I seen Kai fighting, that was like he was supposed to fight in that other one. But it's just they always because you're already training for these things. Right. So the UFC has always been at the forefront, right? Yeah. Back in the day, used to have WC for the smaller guys. UFC observed them. Strikeforce UFC observed them. Pride.

Yeah, pretty sure UFC observed them as well. Yeah, a lot of the fighters. Yeah, so but so UFC has always been at the top and then right below them has been Bellator and Ray showed WSOF at the time in PFL now PFL yeah and then kinda in the mix on on the Asia side of things one like 1 is. Rising now what is it? Rising and 1. I don't. Know one's different, one's differently. Different, yeah.

But they're out there in Asia. But one one is like kind of like in that like around the lines of like the PFL and stuff. And then here came GFL and now I don't. Know they came with a good idea, but I think it wasn't just. Their main investor bailed out, I guess like he said that he would have fulfilled all the funds and killed everything but. The way all. Those guys, the way they did, you got to have some mean funds. You got to have some like Saudi

Arabia type funds, that's what. I noticed too, like a lot of the boxing is going towards Saudi Arabia and. Doing it, doing that, one guy is. He's a, you know, everybody. That's every boxing, every UFC thing. He's the bad. Guy out Turkey all his sheep. Whatever, he was talking shit about him man. Yeah, he was saying. That they he never, never put him in a hotel. They didn't get him a hotel room, they didn't put any money and asked him for him. Walk to the venue.

For Rolly. Yeah, 'cause he they paid you much for saying like they had their favorites who they wanted to win and they didn't take care of the and. Then rolly guy messes around and wins. Oh yeah, and that was crazy. Big Upset +800. Nasty hook too. In this last fight. Yeah. The boxing fight in New York. Times Square, Yeah, No Times Square in Times. Square that was put on by those guys, Yeah. Yeah. I was all confused.

I was like I was. Like bro, I swear it was pretty much Friday, Saturday, Sunday had fights. And then I had Devin Haney asking what happened. I was like, Devin, don't, don't. Not right now, bro. Danny. He kind of talk shit at all on that one. Yeah, no. He won, but it was like the fewest punches ever thrown in a in a fight or something. I was honestly surprised that like, just on paper, I was like, oh, Garcia, Garcia. Yeah, beat Roy. I almost bet him.

I bet. Garcia and then the flights was early. Yeah. And then I remember we were at my auntie's house. When was that Friday like for Friday as well or last Friday? Last Friday, Last Friday, yeah. And then we was like, hey, turn on the flight. Turn on the flight. He was looking for him. This on whatever. Oh done already. Yeah. I was like, oh, who won? East Coast time. Rolly, rolly what? Crazy. Big surprise. Yeah, everybody. I was big for because I almost bet the house on Garcia.

Good thing I was always East Coast time so I missed my window. But thank God I. Did the thing. I stopped betting long time ago, but I was kind of stuck in the middle 'cause I was like, I know kind of no border there. So I was like, oh fuck it, just cheer for Bolt. Yeah, now I gotta start. I started betting with my knowledge instead of heart.

Now it's like last night, I knew the Warriors were gonna lose 'cause they lost Steph. Curry Curry was out, so I. Bet, you know, Minnesota -10 1/2 and then I bet like Pozemski, I was gonna take Steph spot over 22, you know, points, rebounds and assists and just kind of doing that. I just throw them in there. Those are the ones that win. And then the ones like I try to go hard on, those are ones that

always lose. So I'm like, alright, let me not care so much and throw a two team or a three team in there. But once you get that, it's addicting. It's hard to bet if you if you're like, friends with them, you know what I mean? That's what I was telling. What what happened to this stuff? Oh, he his hamstring. So he might be out for the rest of the remaining of this series. So. They're done then. Yeah, yeah.

And I'm a Warrior fan. Like, I mean, they, Butler and Green, they were good without Steph that first second-half that they'd won. But you got Anthony Edwards, he almost got hurt. Not like I wanted you to get hurt, Anthony Edwards. But Anthony Edwards almost got hurt yesterday, which is, oh, cool, we don't even it out. But he's not as hurt as we thought it was going to be. So he's probably going to play out it.

Was weird because I never liked the Warriors until Steph kind of got later in his career I started to like it. Man, I remember when we drafted Steph and I was a worry friend. I was a worry friend when dad, Chris Mullen, Tim Hardaway, but it was like he was like made out of glass when he was a rookie. So we. Have Monte Ellis because we got a Davidson. Yeah, we thought Monte Ellis was supposed to be the Steph where he is now.

And Monte Ellis got a little St. edge to him and Steph every just was coming around like dude, cut this dude. And I could say I was one of those guys. And he ended up being one of the best shooters of our time. And it's crazy because I seen I was like, dude, he got Jay, but he's always getting his ankles, you know, broken. And now that where he's at now, like he's one of the best. He's top five to me. We're not gonna start this right now, Justin, cuz we know he's not even in your top ten.

He's. No, he's good. He's about better. Like he's I don't like him. Top 15, Yeah. Top 15 in that range. Oh my God. Top. 10 top 15 easily. Better than LeBron? Don't. Get just started. LeBron is not even the greatest in his own era. What are we doing? You. Know what are we? What are we doing? Of all of us talking about this Jordan LeBron debate. But like, Curry is not above LeBron. That's not even 3. Percent he. Is if Curry won this year, I thought he would he would be up there.

LeBron beat them so bad with a depleted team that they had to go grab Kevin Durant. LeBron. They had Kevin Durant. Kevin Durant had him in a bit. Kevin Durant wanted to beat her. Oh yeah. And they won before they. Went. To go beg it for him. Bro they went out recruited. Cleveland to go play? Ring Chaser Steph and Draymond. She's the start of the dream. Team Ring chaser. Hey, just like this. I used to be. I used to be JD help us coming out of freaking high school.

I was a huge LeBron fan. Yeah. And then when he left Cleveland to go to Miami, Dream Team. 3/3. I was like, bro, come on, LeBron, like you better than that. And then only to go back to Cleveland. I'm like bro, come on. And then and then and then this year. Cleveland. This is for you. The state the. State is ass in Miami. But what happened this year with LeBron is is he starting to show signs of all? That I think his age is 10 years old. I think his age is setting in

because they see him. Coming back, definitely. Would you like to see him come? Back, Yeah, I would like to for the next maybe 3 or 4 years. Three or four years. That many years ago. I think he does. I think I. So you'd rather Why do you go out dwindling? He is on top like like bro without a. Be in the league and play the minutes he plays like that for three or four more. Years. No. No. He has to be like a Joan Howard.

Like, you know, remember how Joan Howard just you're like, you see him on the bench, you're like, oh, he's still in the league. Like that's what LeBron is gonna have to be. But LeBron is too big to be that so. Do you see Al Horford for the Celtics, how well he's playing still? I think he's like, well. Because he's not. He's a take on a role. Like he's a role player now, yeah. Like LeBron always has to be the role. But also I don't. Think he ever be? It could be a role player and.

Al Al Horford is not like the focal point like that, like he not taking as much like. Because if LeBron signed again, they would want him to be the leader of the team. Still, I don't think he's comfortable being a role player. Say, oh, let the younger guys do all the role stuff and I just play my role like Al Horford. Al Horford could do that. LeBron, I don't think could do. That I think he could I with the wisdom and the the the leadership that he can bring to the team. I don't.

Think that's in him? I think he could, he's, I think he could be the 3rd or 4th best player on the team and win his title. I I think that's the only reason why he would stay 3 or 4 years if they put together A-Team around him where he's the third or fourth player. For his other son to get in. That would be the only. I cannot see LeBron staying and not like.

I say maybe a year because I think he I think he wants to do it with Luca. You have a piece there in Luca and I think you wanna, he wants to prove everybody wrong and say, OK, you got Luca and you guys still got bounced out. Of I think you need, I think you need another piece, yeah. I didn't have a big. They didn't have a. Big warrior problem every year now. LeBron trying to get Joker bro Yeah. That would be good. Oh, then yeah, they're good.

Then you have your big three. Then you can get your thing and go out on top. I I think that would be the perfect scenario. Joker ain't going there. Joker, why would he not do? The league would let that happen there. It's bad enough they let Luca go over. There, then the league. Which one was? Did the league stop one time? Chris Paul. Which like, that's insane looking back at it now. You like that was like they hate

it on that. Like there's a lot of deals that could have went through, but NBA, like at the end of the day, it goes back to it's been in business. It's a business where if you put Djokic with LeBron and Luca, that's not fair, you know what I mean? So you got to how to offset but leave them over there. If if you're watching the league now, it's kind of like, it's not like it's like it's the end of an arrow is coming up soon. LeBron, Duran, Steph. Steph is coming to an end soon.

That era is coming to an end. Where you having those there? So yeah. Before we head out UFC 3:15, is there any fights you're interested in? Who's on? That one biggest fight would be below Muhammad and JDM because that kind of determines if Islam goes up to fight 170. Honestly, I think I'm, I'm with Bilal and Allen, I just think like he is very I, I, I think people don't appreciate his skill set as much as as they should. And what what, what is the

reason people don't like him? I don't know. They say he's boring, he doesn't finish fights. But he, bro, if you watch like the guys that he goes up against and and he takes, he takes chances too. It's not like he was just like waiting, oh, I'm waiting, title shot, waiting title shot. He was, he was waiting. He could have got a title shot. Yeah, he went and fought freaking Sean Brady, bro, who everybody was hyping up. And bro, he smashed him, you know what I mean?

So I think a lot of people underestimate and undervalue his skill set, which as a fighter, I think he's a great fighter. The the modern Jack JDM Jack Magadel. I don't know his name, sorry brother. What? How does Rampede's name? Jack Magdalene. What is it? Magdalene. He's his some rampede. Rampede's his crazy. As shit when he's he doesn't want to see people's names. Bro, but him he's another one

though. He is like, like I like his style and he's one every time I hear his like I've not really watched him too much, but every time I hear his name and who he's fighting, I'm like, Oh, yeah, I know he's not gonna get past that guy. Boom, gets past him. Then the next one they're like, oh, he fighting that guy now. Like, you know, he, he's come up the right way fighting the right guys. And I'm like, Nah, Nah, he's not gonna get past that guy, bro. And he beats him finishes on

whatever. So he's one of those guys, you know, like I'm like hard, hard for bet against him. But if if I have to pick inside, if I have to put my money on, it could be on below just the very well-rounded fighter, the skill set. If he he's he's a good enough striker to strike. And if that's not going his way, he can still wrestle. He has good ground game tough to submit. So I think, I think below in

that fight. So let's say that scenario goes through, blah wins, Islam stays down and he fights Ilya Taporia for the lightweight title. Who do you have in that fight, Ilya Taporia or Islam Makachev? I am a Ilya fan, like I like his style, but I I just think I don't know, like I've seen a lot of clips now this is just clips of like Ilya wrestling and grappling and bro, he looks like maybe a lot more like he might have way more skilled and he has to even show in these fights.

Dangerous. Yeah. Yeah, but bro, Islam is just Islam is I would have to go Islam, but I think that that's honestly a fight I would get excited about. That's, that was just, that's, that's a good fight. Celia's got that stone cold conference where he says I'll pick up Islam, I'll put him down in the corner next to Habib and I'll submit him with whatever submission you guys want me to. Oh. Yeah, and and bro, for him to go out and do what he did to Max like that was that. Was.

Yeah, you. Got to respect it after that. Oh yeah, I no. I so. He and I, he's all, he's all in here like. He and I had fought on a card a couple years back. This is like 2021 maybe. And I I spent like, you know, just that fight week just seeing him a lot and talking to him and I actually really liked him and prior to just stylistically, like that's the type of fighter he is, is one of my favorite styles. Like I, I'm a fan of Elia. I'm a fan. I'm more so a fan of Elia than I

am of Islam stylistically. Like I like to watch Elia fight, but just like looking at that Elia coming up, I don't know, it's like you going to go up on weight class for a fight that dominant champ and Islam is so well-rounded, so well-rounded, but huge. But that being said, Islam has been clipped before and Elia can crack. So that would honestly, that's that's a fight in that's a fight. I'm excited.

Well the MMA math right, it would say Volk can do that to Islam and Ilia did that to Volk. But MMA math. Never adds up. Before you. Go. What about Patty? I've been like, I like watching Patty. You like Patty? Yeah, I. Like Patty. I like Patty. I like listening. Listening to you talk, Yeah. Yeah, it's fun. House. Yeah, I like that. Do you think he's not do? You think he's title ready not. Yet I don't. Think top five ready he's. Too much top five? Yeah. He's kept.

He deserves a test. He got to clean up his game a little bit bro. I think that I didn't really realize about him until his last big how big he is. He fucking was huge in that last fight. Paul Monster. He's 2. He's 2, isn't he 200? He's a. Big dude, that is a big. I think he only gets up to like 118 something 190 now 'cause. He's. He's thinking bigger. What's? Crazy to me though is how big he can get and then how shredded he. Discipline and hard work.

Bro you see him in the off season and he's a fucking like he's not even a. He's not doing that anymore. If he his last like 2 fights he hasn't blown up like that if you notice shit. Patty. That one fucking straight in the back eating pizzas right as. As as you get older that shit gets harder. Before you head out of here, your contract, how long of a fight contract that we signed for? 4 fights. Satisfied. Is it the biggest money we've ever had so far in the UFC?

It's like right along lines with what I feel like that should be getting, so it's not. But are you good with four fights or you that that's like in the realm of what you wanted to? Do yeah, yeah, yeah, bro, to be honest, I like, I know I getting older. I when I was young, when I first started this, I always said like, oh, people would ask like, oh anything you're going to be fighting till and I was like 35 at 35. I'm good, you know, like and bro 35 was a couple years ago that

came and went like nothing. The fire's still there. The body's still feeling good. The motivation is still there, but that being said is like, I know that, you know, I am on the tail end of my career and I am ready for what comes next. So we'll fight out these four and go from there. You know, it's not it's not one of those things that I can put one definitive cap on right now, like 04 fights. That's it, I'm done. That's a wrap, blah blah blah.

You know, we'll we'll see what happens, but I'm not bro. I'm not trying to fight forever. I'm not. We're just. Trying to break the record and have a party. How? Do I say you got to play the after party? I see guys like Dominic Reyes that have had this late career resurgence where they're back into the top 10, going to fight a top five and possibly another title fight. It's very well the possibility that that's in the cards for

you. You're right there where another fight you're back into the top 15 like. With these four fights, anything could happen as far as you could get another shot. I mean, to see how the cards play out. But in those four fights, there's possibilities of big shots. For sure. You write off 4, we're back in the top five, Yeah. Exactly. For sure. For sure, 100%. And we'll be doing the after party for the record-breaking bout with Oh yeah. Any other plugs you got before

you got to head out? Barry, do you got? I know you got to jump out. No, I can't. We we kind of talked on it earlier. You know, one of my homies, Tony Diaz going through some medical things right now, unexpected like like it always is. But I just posted on my story and I'll post again. But Tony Diaz, MMA, if you guys jump on over to his Instagram, you know, one of our teammates, I've known him pretty much ever since I've been out here in Vegas.

Solid guy, really just cool guy. One of those guys that if you ever need anything, he's one of those guys that you know, will be there for you in whatever way he can help. But he's going through some medical stuff right now and just, you know, needs a needs a little help right now. And yeah, that's. Not a prayer in there for him. Yep. Prayers, prayers every guys can help. Yep. Appreciate you, Brad. Thank you so much. Beat up my guy. Always good seeing yous.

You know, you guys want to run for a few more minutes? Are we going to jump out too? Yeah, I can run a few more minutes too. Bad. All right. Man bet on B Appreciate you brother. Appreciate you coming down, Brad, I completely. Forgot for fucking bring up that what I was going to bring up. Next one podcast? What is it? Next one? Next one, bro. I like see, I like see I'm in a podcast. I like see Cisco and just do the running straight. I was going to bring it up to

you, I forgot. Bro right? I think it's wild bro on the street. So that's what I remember. I told I texted you guys on bro. I just thought of something funny. Fucking Cisco, get the size. It's like every time I watch that shit I'm like, oh, this is his cousin, right? There bro, I've been watching it. It's it's beyond crazy. Oh, but it's like. Wild. That's that's crazier to me than the Power Slap. Yeah, yeah. Bro, these guys are like refrigerators running into each

other. We're talking. About We'll run a clip right here, but it's two big dudes running full speed and hitting each other and it's. What is what is the point of even holding the ball? I have no. It's rugby, it's a. Rugby girl, the boy like fucking run into each other. The ball is just decorating. God these guys been getting stiff. Like, oh, knocked out. Oh yeah, it's just been bad. I don't know, like I watch it and I feel like my collarbone breaking.

Yeah, I don't know how I. Feel like that's like gotta be every Polynesian. The collarbones is like a first to give all. Those collarbones, we call them steel beams. Yeah, they just go across. I. Beam. But yeah, that's that's I was like. Would you ever do run it straight? Hell. No, they got yeah. They're doing that for free, right? Yeah. They're doing it. For free. That's crazy guys. No more free, you gotta run it straight by.

Running straight guys, you guys is wild, but you guys like is crazy like maybe a little bit mentally not there for doing. Oh yeah, yeah, for free. But you guys as well get paid. Get paid. Yeah, yeah. And I think it's blowing up though. Somebody. Yeah. See, because it's entertainment. That's Cisco's cousin. There's got to be sister Scousers on there. All my family saying, but you're next. It's gonna be Oh my God, really straight is crazy.

And it went from nothing to blown up with an well. You watch TikTok videos at 1st and then they were like on Instagram. Everywhere at all. Now they made it where they had an event where they had fans sitting there. There's a little brass straw and they're doing it for like, I'm hopefully. They're sponsors, they're going on, they're all big sponsors.

They did. There's one thing about our society, pain cells, sex cells pain as you look into this running straight is they're hitting each other full on head speed. Carp No, I've been watching it. I was like, bro, there's no point in even having the ball, no. So what the ball does, it basically signifies who's offense and who's. Deepest there's gonna be a. Difference. If he does, who's dropping his shoulder?

Who's rapping exactly? Because if you're the guy with the ball, you could truck him, but you still have you're the ball carrier. So it's like, dude, when these guys are going and you see them go limp and their bodies up in there, I'm like, wait. Because your. Whole body goes numb. You just catch a shoulder to the jaw. That's why at that that's. What I've been seeing, so I see some of the guys, they have some technique where they're running and they're throwing that

shoulder right on the spot. Right. Again so and it's with so much force like this is some big. Dude, they're not running slow. No, and they're like running full speed, but that's always a thing. And then the launch. Yeah, the launch important part, you always like more Polish where kids we're running at each other and we're just launching each other into each other and this just happens. Everyone okay, let's make a sport out of it, which I don't know who did.

It was genius, but still I think it's going to be faster CTE than Power Slap. I don't know that's right there, but they're not. There's no head. That's the thing about rugby, right? That's why rugby's always been like so great for teaching. Tackling is like. I have a found respect for rugby players and even the running straight guys, like they always say, oh, you know, football over there, you have pads on. Like when I started really watching rugby, these guys are

athletes. They're hitting each other, They're running like they have all the intangibles like they're they're they're fast, they're strong and they have to have some kind of like ball skill. So they're doing a thing and they're doing all this without pads. Then you run the And so rugby is a sport that I respected, especially being raised on American football to kind of say like, oof, you know, now, now rugby starting to be bigger, you know, now kids are playing the rugby leagues and.

Has it? Has it? Wasn't there like a rugby player that like a Poly when they got drafted to the NFL? Well, Jordan Malata. He never even played American football ever in his life. He just. Played well there was a bunch of them that like kind of like, you know, dabbled in it, but Jordan the. Eagles. He's with the Eagles, right? The Eagles, That's what he's talking about. Jordan Malata was, he's now a Super Bowl champion where he was a rugby player.

And you know, it's always takes that one guy, how would he do in but doesn't know football, you know, American football rules. They kind of got him into a camp. They kind of taught him the game and. He was just athletic, right? Because athletic. Massive, Massive with a. Little bit of know how like it can give like he's an NFL but. You can't coach that size, strength, speed, coordination. Oh yeah, he's he's one of the of all time. Yeah, absolutely.

That's how good he is. Like he he already had that athleticism. Yeah. He just had to know how to say, OK, I got to kick here, dude, you know, block that once he got that down with coaching, plus you're working with NFL coaches. And that was kind of like, I want to say it was like a transfer program where they're kind of say, oh, bring up some of their players to come play

with NFL. But they have this documentary, shout out my sis Talia over there, but she's working on a documentary that's kind of showing the gap or the bridging of the gap between rugby and American football.

And it's so similar because you have all Polynesians doing it that, you know, you have Montana Vasa just up over there going over and they already did a Polynesian football Hall of Fame at the PCC in Hawaii. But now they're doing a Polynesian rugby Hall of Fame. So they're working on that. And it just shows you like the two like that's where our that's where our people went and play like real athletic people and real, you know, how the way to do it.

They're running straight to something different though. That's just impact. It's impact, but it's like impact that we're used to already. Like we was like we was doing that at the local park. That's why that's no, but it's exciting because we don't got to watch all the other yes, other technical shit. We just watch. One straight ahead who can, who can get and the placement, placement of your shoulder, placement of hitting how low you're getting like I was

watching, yeah. But it's kind of scary when they get low bro. Some of them are just taking straight they. Always say lower man always wins, right? But when you're going at that speed, at that rate. Right, it's a little bit. Lower than your opponent, You're going all momentum's gonna just go right into that person's chest. Some of them, some of them, their heads just like bite their hip and they're gonna run right through.

And it's all placement too. Like if you get while you see the videos, like when they're going knocked out, they're really knocked out. That's crazy. We play, I play, I post them on my story all the time. We play with this guy, David Fangupo. It was 6 like two, £350 that running back and he was faster than almost everybody on our defense. Vita Vale was a running back at Milpitas. It was literally the exact same thing. Yeah, literally the exact same thing.

They looked exactly like when they played so. Like the thing about like Polly, people were they were big, but like we're. Explosive. It's like, I mean, and you know, we could always be big because when I was a coach, I used to put all my big guys on the line. Now my guys are on the line. They're starting to be quarterbacks, tight ends in the league. I'm like, I remember those guys. So what? Positions do you play when you when you was playing?

Tight end and D line. But I came from a receiver. I was a receiver in high school, then my Polly kicked in for college, then I started playing D tackle DN. I was like, OK. Like can you put on size or? I put on size. I was so skinny in high. School. And it was like that forever, right? Like Polynesian players in the league, Simone's tongue. And they were all defensive line. Offensive line, maybe linebacker, right junior. Say, right?

And then you started getting like the kick returners like Vice Kahema. But now we we have Kellan Pilar is we have Ted McMillan like. You got all these people like Ted McMillan, now you get skilled players because now these fathers that were raised the way we're just supposed to hold on D line. Now I want my son to be a quarterback, all my son to be. And now we can do it. Shout out the Nicos, the deejays.

And every others right now. They're like, you know, sought after court QB's in the league now. So I think it's just something that's you seen a transition in the revolution of like. You think though like the like the next generation because of the pylons there is highly skilled. Oh yeah, it's that. Yeah, it's that. Yeah. But all the Poly kids are like becoming highly skilled on. Seven on seven in flag football. From so early and.

Now that they're coming up with five on fives, 5 on fives or the lineman's or old line versus D line, now you're having seven on seven. That's always been there. The five on five is starting to get just much popularity than 7 on 7. I hadn't even heard. Of that I I went and watched like the pylons and it's like the footwork and how quick they are. Because be what I'm saying, how come he's just seven on seven? It's all skill position. What about the bigger kids?

So then it's, I don't know who did it, so I won't put it out there, but they started five on five O line versus D. Line where? Wait, what is there? Is there a league or a camp? I've only seen one on ones right. Yeah, so one-on-one starting and you do that in practice, right? Of course, always one on one's

in practice. So somebody said, you know what, let's make a camp for lineman, O lineman and D lineman, teach them what to do. So like, you know, in the Bay Area, they have one and then people in LA, they have their kids who play O line, D line. Let's put them up against each other. They'll line up like they're on a line, but they'll just go one on ones the tackles you go first, but you the the old line. So. So it is the one-on-one they still want.

OK, OK. Not. Gonna do it all together, you gonna do one at a time you do the tackle, you do the guard, do the center and go the other side guard and yeah, yeah. But what's dope about that is these kids are getting the they're being top. The right and they're getting the attention that all the other. Sure. So you know, when you're A7 on seven, you're a ball in quarterback or QB, you're getting all this fanfare because that's what people are. Receivers.

On 7, on 7, so they're catching the ball, throwing the ball. Now the five on five guys, yeah, they're getting the fanfare because they're beating one of the best tackles you know, in in Los Angeles. And that's the things you're seeing now is like the skill level of these pass rushers and their pass. It's not just. No, it's not real Bull run. It's not a swim in a RIP. Anymore swim. Oh my SO.

The man is. Work these kids are getting so you gotta push and pull and you're doing all these things. You're teaching these kids at the right age because they're taking this. And so, you know, you watch the Vita veg, you want the AJ Epin. D JS brother, right? He's up at Oregon, right? Yeah. Well, I'm gonna lay. He's one of the best DNS in the league right now. I mean it's college, so to see him and what so DJ is a quarterback, his brother's ADN and these are all like by choice.

Well, shout out Big Dave, but what were there were going to be more, you know, effective at right And you know DJ has been doing it from Oregon State to Clemson, so. Before that, yeah. And Saint John Bosco, right?

Yeah, Bosco and you see the kids where they're at now, lineman are starting to get more of the fanfare now too, because a beast D lineman or a beast O lineman, they're going to go up and you see it right now the first five picks is going to be AD lineman or O lineman because that's in high. It's a hot commodity in the NFL, and I think that's what these things are doing now. The five on fives, the seven on sevens. Now there's more footage of social media. This guy beat this guy, okay?

When I see him over here, I want to go one-on-one. With. I've really been paying attention to. I know that all of this is making skill wise better, but is the size of the the same or is it getting they're getting smaller? Always like Poly, kids are always gonna be big. It's a matter. Of I notice a lot of receivers are smaller, shorter. Lot of receivers are shorter, but they're also getting these tight ends that are like 6-7.

That's hard to say though. I just saw this there's a in Florida there's a seven on seven team where they just transitioned a couple of their basketball players into receivers and one place tight end 610. He's 24, six but. All these Hawaii teams playing OH. Man. Hawaii got everybody. They're not. They're not the tallest. You know, the seven on seven teams like like the low pros and whatnot. They're not the tallest. They're not but.

They're good technical teams like they're good route runners, they're good passers like like what I've noticed too, you don't have to be the biggest biggest is it helps, but if you're technically technically like a fighter, if you're technically sound, you're going to get far because you're you know, I've seen short quarterbacks making sure Tyreke Hill we're looking at all these shorter like that beat the odds, but we're talking

about Polly kids that are coming out the womb 6 one yeah, you know what I mean so and now they're. Kind of I think I was like, is as the league as a whole, like bigger than it was back in the day, Same size, I think smaller. The food's different nowadays. I just think everybody in the league are bigger than what we used to see on these old NFL

Films videos. Like, you know, you see with the leather helmets, they're a little bit smaller guys, but it's always transitioned to bigger and bigger and bigger. Maybe that's just in the. Food that you could there's just people people that have come through that have shined at a such smaller stature now that you kind of didn't see before. Ohh yeah. Where it's like, OK, we can't have a quarterback that 6 foot we we a Drew Brees at 5-10 workout. Back in the day, like you like

they're fucking white receivers. Yeah, you know what I mean? That you would ever. You had the small, like the junior elements, yeah, like the the West Welkers, and you never knew they were gonna make it, but they were intricate Parkers they were. Now that was like a slot receivers dream. They had to be that size. You see the puka, the cool is now a little bit bigger, but they're also sitting in the slot and they're trying to get their

more. They're getting more athletic every year because they're having programs like this one we were talking. About They're training them from the. 5 on fives and seven on Sims. We didn't have that back in the day. So the skill sets coming in right out of the draft they're they're game ready. You know, because the technical part of. It they're getting paid at nine years. Old and they're getting paid, Nils now they're getting paid, you know, all this stuff going

forward. It's a business. But if you can make money off the business, that's why I say go and do what's best for your family all the time. And it's like, what's his name? The the with TJ and Fitz, their business partner who has the studio there, he I'm pretty sure he shoots for some of the biggest flag and seven on seven teams in the country because. He shoots for a lot of like the big competitions come through to Mesquite.

Mesquite in Nevada, they do a lot of these huge 7 on 7 and they actually play those on NFL Network. Yeah. And like, there's big money because. They're on ESPN. Yeah, ESPN and you have like the Westerland. Yeah, the. Tournaments are expensive and tournaments are. It's a business. Sponsors now sponsors. About to to register and everything. It's a big business. So it's just because the women, the females are getting involved too. You get the female, yeah, like

football players. And they're. All our, our, our, our, my. High school just took second in the state. Yeah, see, and it's. All it was Brian Muniz's daughters. Kind of the greatest. My. Dad was texting me. He's like, how's most daughter? She's balding, Yeah. And I was like, yeah, she's to be one of the best in the state. And then an hour, lady, he's like. Bad game, I didn't watch it.

But even watching your son, the way you've coached them up, like it's dope watching the coaching backyard and how it comes to fruition on game day. Yeah. Like, as a father, that's always what it's about. Yeah. And I and I see it on your page directly, like you have them working drills, cones and all that. But people don't see that it it, it resonates to the field. Oh, yeah. And you see it kind of going and running out the gate.

So that's why I think it's always not going to be a lost thing for fathers to be involved doing that stuff with their kids. But it's always going to kind of go to the next level is my son too short? Is going to be like, you have these questions as a father, but you start looking at the Tyree kills and OK, yeah, my son could do that. You know what I mean? So I always learn not to live through my kids.

That was like the only advice I had because my oldest son to my second, I always was like, live through them. I want them to do what I missed out on. Nah, you got to do this. You got to do that. Then I was like, by my third son, I was like, Nah, let let the coach. Were you too hard on them? Way hard on them. I kind of took the love of the game out of it for them because I expected. So always when I was racing dirt bikes. Yeah, I mean that's how all actually.

Quit I quit racing riding dirt bikes for. Because you want the best for your kid. If you can't be the best, why you playing? And that sport we come from is. Completely competitive and. No, but the injuries are huge. Oh yeah, and and they're, they're trying to make you jump. Shit. And you're like, we're on like. Little bikes and then my dad's like fucking jump this fucking jump. I never spent all this money on this bike for you not to jump this jump. And we're big kids, and they're

making. You jump this day in all sports like football, dirt bike, like there's always going to be those fathers. I was one of those fathers. But can you learn from it and kind of like give like the only advice I give to new fathers now is like, don't get them out and don't over coach them out of the game. And the real reason I say that is because we're we're going off Madden and NFL stuff in college that they're watching on thing.

And now we're trying to put it to our nine year old, 10 year old, 11 year old. And he's putting pressure on the kids. Then he's kind of like, I don't want to do it. And that's what I kind of feel like. I did that with like my older son. He was like, he was playing football. I don't want to do it. But like some of the kids he played with in high school, they're all in the league now. And I'm like, maybe I push too much. Yeah, my dad.

I took a two year break from racing and then when I came back. He was there. To find the level. But when it came back and then my dad was like, really, you know, when you race, just have fun. And then my dad changed. He changed and then when kids and then then then that's when I was like, OK, I don't want to, I don't want to disappoint my dad and do shitty in a race. So that's, that's when my when I got fast, that's when he labeled.

I always give like all you can tell your kids is to have fun because if my dad would have told me that, I don't know where I'll. Be it was, have fun and don't get hurt because do. Your best yeah, but he was like do your best and when you hear that from a parent it's like you wanna go extra hard but when you hear like can you not doing fucking this? How can you not do it now?

You kind of just now the walls going up between you guys, but now you kind of get that encouragement to kind of say, look, and then don't put them down till I find myself putting my kids down. I mean, how come you're not fast? Like because they got my genes. I'm not fast, you know what I mean? So we don't see all the elements that kind of go into the factory of everything. But it's like the more when I started coaching, I was like, let's have fun.

So hey guys, let's have fun. And the parents were like, Nah, we want to win. It's like, Nah, I'm just here that if you want a coach, they're just going to coach to win. I'm probably not your guy. I want people to learn and have fun doing what they're doing. It's a business now. So it's a little bit different. You know parents are paying three $400.00 for them to be a part of a team. Some parents like I ain't paying this for nothing. I never paid for.

I never. When I was playing Pop Warner it was you had the trial and they just cut head off people. And that's what I used to love that because now it's like if you pay, you're on the team, you know what I mean? If you play and you're the last game, you get a trophy. Everyone gets a trophy at the end of the year. I think they was talking about like participation trophy makes kids, you know, mental kind of messed up because they feel like they didn't have to do anything to.

Get that trophy not. Here in Vegas, that culture has shifted the league we were in, bro, like there were a few teams like we were on a team where ever you played, you played yeah. There are other teams that were mostly other teams you had to try out for and like and they would not let you play on their team. And they had like an extra like 100 something dollars a month. They wanted you to pay just to be on that club team. Yeah, and they. Smashing everybody.

Smashing everybody and. It's a business at the end of the day. It's like it's, it's different because different parents have different outlooks. You know, moms are going to be more scared because they don't want their kids playing tackle football. Yeah. So I see people like, you know, the flag football, everything's cool. But then when it starts to get on the put on the pads, it's

going to be the moms. Some moms sit there and be like auto, you know, then you have movies like Concussion and you have movies that CTE movies. So it's with social media that in our way, it's just the way the parents at the end of the

day guide their kids on what's. Well, I always look at back at it and I'm like, bro, I don't know how my parents or even in the sport that I, I was raised in is, is, I don't know how they fucking dealt with it. Because the faster you get, like when you're, when you're slow, you crash. It's Rd. like like Rd. rash strawberries, right. The faster you get. Every time you crash, you break something and I don't know how. Worse and worse, no?

So it's like the faster you get, your skills get better, but when you do crash, which you don't crash as much, but when you do is a broken leg, it's a broken arm, it's a broken, you break something almost every time you crash. How do you feel where you're at in coaching your son and seeing him play football? What do you think as far as a? Parent, I go hard, yeah, I go hard, but I make, I've asked him and I make sure it's something that he wants.

Yeah. So. So we do go. We do go really hard, yeah. I wanted to ask you when do you think is the earliest kids should enter tackle football man? If you would ask me this question when I was like coach, it was like 6 wasn't too young for me, but I feel like as a father growing up, 6:00 is way too young. Me personally, I think and people's going to make their faces at this. 11/12/12 is like my starting point only because I'd rather have them learn the game instead of hit themselves

out of the game. You're going to get these bigger 10 year olds, he's bigger 8 year olds. They're going to hit your kid and your kids not as big as their kid. And now, now your kid don't want to do it anymore. So you don't want to scare your kid out of playing football. And that's when they play tackle football. They have 5 you, you know, they have 5 year olds playing against other five year olds and they're just going OK, now it's fun. Like it's 6 year old.

They're running and he's just like, yeah. And they have the helmet and they're barely getting it over so. I've seen these kids stand up from these hits with their eyes all glazed over, flashing bro, blinking lost, and then the coach just yelling at them to get the back of the line. It's like, dude, what are you doing that kid? It's it's a gift and a curse.

You want to see the big hit, but you want to also see what's going on. Like I see my kids eye roll, his eyes roll in the head back of his head and I was like damn, am I pushing him too hard? Then the coach was like, yeah, do it again. I was like wait, wait, wait. Don't do it. Again, don't do it. Again, because I just seen this I so as a parent, you have to kind of monitor that as far as saying one's enough is enough. And I think it goes back to what, what age do you think is

too early for your son? Like, you know, I see your son now. Like my son plays my, my youngest son, he's 10. He still plays flag football. And I said, well, you want, do you want to do it next year? He's one more year. And then I was like, wow. He was like, well cuz they say watch these videos of these kids

on TikTok hit each other. So it kind of scares them out of it. I don't want my kid to get scared out of it. But how do you teach them like the rough side of it, like what they're doing right now is a skill side of it right to learn? Skill that they're working towards that sport, they're work. You're really playing. You played two hand touch before that flag football. Now. Now it's gonna time to put the pads on and teach you about hitting. You know, flag football kids,

they play both. So they're trying to hit during the flag football things. And people are getting lost in translation. So it's all a matter of trying to get the right way of your kids getting coached. Like, you know, 1011 year old, it's on them if they want to suit up. But you'll see it right away if they're like kind of like, OK, I don't think he's ready for that.

And you want to make that decision sooner because you already paid the money for Taco football, but now you got to stay away the whole season because your son's not ready. And. I'm more lenient on my kids because I I'm a father at the end of the day. I could be that hard. You better go hit him or could be like, hey, you want to do this or not, You know what I mean? So you got to kind of see how they react off of you. There's kids that get it.

There's kids going to take forever to get it. There's kids that never get it, but it's not on you. It's just kind of you got to probe different ways to do it. Hey, did you want to be a receiver like when I was coaching? Oh, big kid. OK, cool, you're on the line. Oh, OK, cool. You're you're skinny and tall. You're a receiver. That's just because I was I was raised on, but I didn't know that the big kid that I put on the line had a better arm than

the quarterback. You know, maybe he was a better blocker here. So now you got to see, hey, let's put everybody play football and you got to sit back, OK, he got a good arm, OK, he can hit. And then you get to sit there and kind of write down these guys could do this because I was just going in Bigger kids, you're on the line. Protect the smaller kids mind here and let's go score touchdowns. And that wasn't the way to do it.

You know, when you play Madden and everything, it's like we get brainwashed into the way we watch NFL. All the single digit player guys or the skinnier guys, all the bigger lineman of the 90s and the 70s and the 80s are the receivers. So now it's like now you have the baller guy wearing #0 so it's they're kind of messing it all up. But like we're kind of taught that's what all these numbers meant.

So now that these kids are playing 12, now they can play receiver, maybe safety, maybe quarterback. And now it's just kind of like a whole element to it. I think the kids at the end of the day is you don't want to just scare them out of having fun because I have fun watching. I have fun watching yours. I'm like, dude, like the game TV

balling. You did that in the backyard and it came and seeing that like to do to overdo it to be like if he got stopped in front of the goal line or got hawked down by another player. As a dad, you're like, damn it, my my kid looked bad. So it made me look bad. I don't know what you're saying. Just I'm saying any fathers. So the mentality is like, don't fucking do that because that's what your first instinct is. But then you got to remember this kids 8 years old this kids night.

You're not computing that. I'm trying to teach this guy like he's a 21 year old kid and should know he got a score every time. What's? That fine line though because I feel like there is like a high standard you can set for a kid and if sometimes the kids will raise to that high standard. It's a fine line and a high standard. To what? To be as much as you know your kid better than anybody, to a gift and to a curse because you kind of like, OK, I know my kid

can take this. You can push him immorally is. Yeah, dude, if I was you, and that's where we do wrong at. If I was you, I would break that kid, but he's not you. I got to say, OK, what's remember, he's part of the mom too. And the mom's a little bitch. OK, So you got to kind of put that into the whole equation. Or if the mom's a beast too. OK, I know your mom's a beast. I'm a beast. There's no reason you shouldn't

be a beast. There's conversation that's going to be frowned upon between other parents because they wasn't raised like that. They was raised, what, already a silver spoon in their mouth or not. So I think the fine line is kind of see what your limits are for your your kid, what kind of makes him. I don't want to do it no more. Whatever triggers that, OK, take that out of your repertoire to kind of say maybe there's another way I could say that instead of having him answer.

Now I don't want to do it no more because I feel like you're just going to keep harping on me for. It it's yeah, that's one thing I've I've never had to experience it. It's him not want to do anything. Yeah, it's always do you want to do this? What are we doing Yeah, I want to do it. We can go do you want to just go inside? We can stop working on. That because he's he knows you get mad if he says he doesn't want. To I'm not going to get mad if I've never. I've never like.

They're only when a dad says I'm not going to get mad if you say that they're normally going to get. Mad at this? I've never I've never had to say it though. I've never had to say it. I won't get mad. Just like what do you want to do right now? Like I'll get super calm. What do we want to do? Do you want do you want to work? Do we want to go? What I think? People don't realize, too, is you don't realize it until like,

you're the father. Like, I really think there's a thin line between coaches and a father. This is your child. This is the you, you know, you've seen him more than the coach did coach already. Coach only wants to see perfection. You know what I mean? I need the kid that can run the fastest. If you kind of know your kid doesn't run the fastest, you want him to kind of have that

mentality. But if you know his intangibles ain't going to be the kid that runs the fastest, you could hurt him by putting him in that line of fire of him not being the fastest. Now he went ran slow. All the kids like you're slow now you just killed his confidence. Now you're like, OK, now it's cool. Fuck them kids. But it was kind of you that pushed them to that limit. So I always try to test the kids limits. I'll just sit back, OK, He can't really throw.

You know what I mean? Hey, let's try to teach you how to throw and you keep teaching him and he's not throwing around, OK? He's probably a lineman, you know what I mean? So those are the things that you kind of work with your own son. Like not a lot of people have those time. Like sometimes, you know, they're in relationships where they were with their mom all week and they were just with you on the weekend. So you don't have that, you know, teaching time in between.

But when you're like have the time, like I've seen Justin and you and your son have, you have the luxury of kind of saying, look, I can do this from the ground up. I'm taking you to the practices, I'm taking you to the games, Your expectations different than the person that they're playing because you want to be the best, they want to be the best. Who's going to be the end of the day.

Our kids can have a bad day on game day, they woke up on the wrong side of the bed, like they're on their iPad all night and there's different things that can come into play and but we want our kids to always be 100% run, full speed run, get a touchdown every play. That's what our expectations are. But really it's like this team just came out of nowhere and blew us out 40 to nothing. But I'm over here yelling at my kid because he couldn't get a first down. But we're we're lost 40 to

nothing. So there's different ways, different strokes for different folks. Parenting's always different between every different parent. It goes back to background. It goes back to even to down to nationality. Some certain nationalities teach, you know, their kids different than other nationalities. How do I teach my kid? I always say control what you can control.

I can control my kids thing, not in a in a respectful way, but I can control the environment he's in and the way he thinks about the game. So I always try to say don't

worry about the next man. But when you have coaches telling your son and say, Hey, not in front of everybody, that's probably he's probably not going to take well the way you're saying it. You know, that's why I was called this this not just running a softer generation, but if a coach is yelling at my son now, I'm like, fuck you yelling at my son like that boy, he's a coach, you know what I mean?

But like, if I know that he's doing it because of something else and the coach don't know, I'll wait till he's done and say, Hey, I don't mean to. It's always worse when a parent tries to go tell a I said my, my kid don't take good to yelling. You know, I've I've done it before, but maybe just give him direction instead of yelling it at him. And some coaches will will take that direction and go, OK, my bad bro, I'll do it. And some like, oh, fuck this

kids never going to play again. But you got to be careful. You got to adapt to the chameleons of everything you got to deal with, from referees to other players to coaches, Because remember, these coaches are just dads that volunteer before you. You know what I mean? They're not like high school coaches are saying, Oh, let me recruit these kids. They're just the dad that said I'll do it. Yeah, You know what I mean. So I saw, I saw my my son used to play baseball.

I used to always volunteer for a third base coach. Yeah, T-ball, I used to do that one. I'll do first base. I send everybody home like the highly the the chances of you making a throw from there to home is high. Everybody's right home. Run. Run, run. Everybody run. But as a parent, you it's always going to be different, like age, you want to see how old they are, what with the capacity of what they're getting.

Like I've noticed that younger kids are smarter these days than kids back in the day because they have more resources to go to more Youtubes, more, you know, social media. They look at their on their iPads all day. So, you know, when I talk to my youngest son, he like can make a cap cut video for me for one of my promotions. I'm like, how'd you do that? Oh, I just do this, this and that. Like these kids are really smart

these days. I wouldn't have been able to do that when I was AJ his age, but I don't have the resources that he has. And that kind of goes in everything in life, whether we have resources where these kids are using them, us as parents just need to be there to to guide them and direct them. We're not kind of saying, no, you got to fucking go here, which is sometimes we do, but sometimes like, Nah, let's go over here.

You want to make your son's transition to whatever they want, what's best for them in their life as easiest as you can. And that's what I do with my older kids now I say, not that I take school away from it. It's like, what, what are you passionate about? OK, go learn about that on your own on YouTube and go, you know, so we don't have to pay for these big school bills. And I know you guys don't frown about that one too, but passion

is everything. If you know what your kid is passionate about, if he's if his dirt biking, cool, give him the best dirt bike, everything that you're accessible can to give him. If you want to play football, you need to do as a parent, they're your best to say, Oh, he has the best cleats. What do you need? Oh, you need compression because that's not your job as a parent.

Like when we don't, when we don't have that, there's A to disconnect when they have to go, OK, go to the mom with the, the, the new baby daddy and he's telling him something different. Like that's what the world we're living in right now, unfortunately. But as my kid, I just got to say, OK, whatever he said, cool. But this is, I'm your dad. You know what I mean? This is what I kind of did from

there. So it's all parenting is a mug and parenting is not going to be, no one's going to be perfect parenting. Your parenting's going to be different than mine. Mine's going to be different than everyone's going to have a different way of how they raise their kids. As long as you keep them out of harm's way. I think everyone's doing their job as best as they can. Perfect. Always got the words of wisdom. Come on man. Are we out of here? Plugs everybody.

What do you got coming up, Cisco? Western Conference podcast, go check that out. The merch stop, but we're doing a lot of merch now. We got a lot of festivals coming up. Big body Cisco, where you can find everything. Big body cisco.com. The shack next door. Yeah, man, we're working on it in the. Bar Boys Las Vegas Blvd. Boys, you know, we're right next to honors and I think everybody's been inquiring about spots next to us. So I think this is going to be a

big thing for the Blvd. and for this we. Already we already got golf simulation. They open a golf, they're about to open a golf simulator and I think, you know, everyone's been hitting me about the barbershop content studio that everything's going to fall into place. I think it's just a matter of getting it done. A tattoo shop, tattoo shops coming. We have hopefully an IVA liquid IV thing shop that's going to

come too. So you know, we're we're building a community here and that's just coincides with everything else we're doing. You know, we got all these festivals and stuff coming up, podcasts coming up. We just got to keep it going. Content is key, and as long as you're having a good time doing it, why not? We got the motion, the wave, Yeah, killing it right now. And hopefully we got some big plans for next week. Friday we'll put out if we get him locked in.

Actually, I'll be a good one. I was excited for that. I. Don't think we should. Let's not bring it up yet. Don't jinx it. Don't jinx. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was. Really excited for that. I was, I was excited. So the bands we've also interviewed that, that was a long time coming. Like I've always wanted to have Bam on there and it's just timing. You know, he just happened to be in town and you know, we made a few phone calls shout out Wei and we got him in there talk

about his Bam buds. And that's like something, you know, I was a fan of his. Like when I when I podcast people, I'm like a fan of theirs, but I don't want to come off as the fangirl. I want to come off as I'm knowledgeable about what you do. And the more we kind of get across, if you watch that, that Bam Tui Vasa thing, he's having a good time. We're smoking a joint and everything. Like who could say they're doing that with a dude? We need that Bam Bam Buds

sponsorship bud. Yes, so oh, we was talking about the shout out Bam bam buds. We're going to have some things in the work coming soon. You smoke. I've never seen you smoke before. Yeah, I'm trying to do some more smoking than drinking. Yeah, like I don't, I don't sit there and buy a dying bag on the corner or somebody. Yeah, I'll go to a dispenser. You got some pre rolls. You know what? I mean the plug there's. No hangover. That's why too with the with the when you.

Smoke but I've noticed I've been doing edibles lately. And fuck, I can't do that. I did a 15 when I thought it was a 5 and I thought I was going to die and I watched Sinners on that. That's another show. We'll talk about sinners later. Don't go watch Sinners. Not a good. Movie with edibles but I'm floored. Edibles I just. Floored. What didn't you like about sinners? I knew it was a vampire movie, but it was like overly a vampire movie.

It wasn't overly. Michael B. You can let somebody else play his brother Jesus. That was a good little fucking process, that. That was Justin, still friends, But it wasn't. I was sitting there. Maybe it was the edible. Maybe it was the edible, I said. But I sat there a few times. Black football on here. Bro, I was like I was watching this fucking what the fuck is that movie with the Cowboys?

They're all like black like they're all Cowboys and just and I, this is my third time watching is because I like it. It's a good movie. On Netflix with Idris Elba. I think I know it's. Yeah, I didn't want to. They they carved the the cross in his forehead since my third time watching it because I like watching it. And then Justin goes in here and he's like, he's just sitting in here. He's watching it. He's like this don't seem right. And I'm like, what?

He's like, everybody's black Cowboys on here. And I was like, it's a good. Convince that Justin is a kid. Whatever this is, this is Black Wall Street. I was just like, bro, it's a good movie. Well she was only around for like a decade and 1/2 in Tulsa, OK. That the Grand wizard here is. Somebody's like, somebody was here and he was like, no, but this is kind of like there was a town like this. And Justin researchers is like, yeah, for only 10 years.

Yeah. I read like 10 articles over the next like 1520 minutes about black or black Wall Street and how it got burnt down. But the movie's good. I like watching that movie. I like I grew up my dad. 'S wasn't a good movie. Yeah, my dad likes watching a cowboy movie, so I grew up watching, so I like watching cowboy movies. But even sinners had like elements of Cowboys in it like and it was just it was overdone.

I mean, shadow Ryan Coogler, he's from the Bay Area and but this movie for me hit the IT missed the mark for me. I think there's a lot and everybody on Instagram talking about how good he was. Y'all lying? Maybe that's just me, but I didn't like it at all. Don't go watch Sinners waiting for it to come on the bootleg or watch it on Netflix. It's actually in theaters. Cynthia I went to the movies to watch it, thank God. I went to discount Tuesdays at South Point, $6.

Used to be $5.00 but now it's $6 and I was mad that I wasted that. Your plugs rolling. So we just got this Sunday, we got our second Sunday, the cars and coffee. So that's something that's been growing. We've been getting like 100 cars for the last, I think we did it two months so far, but hundred plus cars every time. So working on that. May 31st we got a real big one maybe.

I seem to be part of that even though the the Barber shop's not open because that one's you people's coming in from Arizona. What's the California? What's the date on May 31st? Yeah, but it's Karuma and Lowballers, which is like really well known clubs, but they got guys coming in from states all around. That's a really big one.

Like I just think like this whole parking lot with with time and what we're doing with it, we call ourselves the Boulevard Boys, we're on Las Vegas Blvd. But I think it's something for the people that we're trying to do. And I think with with Raleigh kind of taking the chance and kind of went out there and did it on his own first. Now we got schemos. Now we have all these different business like the shacks come in.

And I think it's just something that we've been waiting for that I've always seen the potential in it. But I think the potential in the roof is there's a high ceiling on what we can do because I think it's community based. And we're all fathers. We're all, we're all come from this demographic where it's going to be something good for not just for the community, but for the culture. And and and it gives us a reason to be around each other more. Yeah, which which the creative shit comes.

Yeah. That's when it comes out, I feel like, yeah. I'm, I'm glad we like when you hit me like just was, hey, can you sit down with, you know,

Brad? And I think these are good things because I think guys need to see it's OK to talk like the shit we talk the way we do. And I think it's just you put it in a dope perspective because the way you edit things and I think people don't see that where these things catch fire because we're normally putting this content out and the more content we come that's more like relatable and you can resonate with people are clicking it not just more than just once.

And I think these are the conversations that we had that it goes perfect with still friends, because after all, where we disagree or don't disagree, we're still friends with. Them exactly. I told Justin that the funniest podcast we do is the ones with US 4. Yeah, and I think it's dope

because it's genuine. Like there's nothing forced with us. Like, you know, you're talking about the UFC fighter you're talking about, you know, we're successful in our businesses that we just come here to shoot the shit. Like I don't even know how much times I watched the the game. System that was just ringtone on my. I watched that fucking video so I must have been at least 1000 other views. But it was so dope because it was so organic, right?

It was so we just talking, Oh, by the way, Jordan like and everything that we talked about came out of us like just how it was. We wanted it to. And I think, and no one was like, Oh no, we'll fuck them then because they think that. Nah, we're still friends that then because they have their opinions. We have ours. I have mine, you have yours. And at the end of the day, that's what people, that's what makes content like this dope. Oh yeah, it is.

Any other plugs you got? Just that right now we got a lot of stuff coming up though, especially with Cisco being next door and you all, you always over here, always like we got to, we got to do this, we got to do this. So it keeps everything. Kind of mind you don't see it. We're still friends. There's a new artist released every week. Yeah, you are still friends So much. EDC. You got EDC coming up, So we we'll have a EDC. Yeah, you see. These dope hats that you guys,

I'm actually going to take one. Because I'm still friends show hats on the artist that on his brand website. Yeah, the the. What should we have on there? The strip club veteran has the strip. Club veteran, yeah, everybody be getting that. Definitely are. Just like and subscribe on YouTube, still friends show follow still friends show on Instagram and I check out tacos policy down in Henderson. That's it for me guys. Polly. See you guys. See you guys next. Time. Hell yeah, boys.

Perfect. We're still friends. We're still friends. We're still friends.