I'm Judith, and this is the Starline Equine Bodywork podcast. This is a podcast about all of the things that I've learned and continue to learn in my career with horses. For the better part of a decade, I've been a full time equine bodywork practitioner, educator, and author. My obsession how horses really work and how to get the most from our relationship with them in training and in sport. My passion helping horse owners and body workers and aspiring body workers get going.
Unpack the latest science, research and experiences behind what we do with horses to support their potential and optimize their performance. Red light therapy offers exciting potential for horses, with applications ranging from wound healing to muscle recovery and pain relief. Benefits like faster healing, reduced inflammation, and improved performance are supported by preliminary studies and widespread anecdotal use. Now, red light therapy came on to my radar through a client horse.
She actually, owns the equipment to provide red light therapy to her own horse. And when I tell you I saw some fantastic transformations in that horse, I was just blown away. So, of course, I wanted to talk to an expert. So thankfully, joining me today is Victoria Hamm, up from Aqua Glow Therapeutics. And she is generous enough to sponsor this episode and talk to me about the exciting possibilities for red light therapy with our horses. Welcome to the podcast, Victoria. I'm so excited! Judith.
I love talking about sciencey stuff and obviously red light therapy, so I cannot wait to dive into all the exciting things we're gonna talk about today. So how did red light therapy come onto your radar? So I am a registered massage therapist here in Ontario, and so I primarily work on humans. However, I have animals myself. Which is how we segue into the equine world. Part of it and the canine world. However, I started with red light there because I had heard about it.
And I'm very big in my own practice about finding more and more solutions for my clients, because I do believe that there is something for everyone, and because we all are unique in our biology, our issues, the way our body heals, the environmental aspects, we're all going to need different things. And so it can't be a one size fits all. Anytime I'm looking for solutions for my clients, so I'm really looking for what I call, low risk, high reward solutions.
So something that is not going to harm them or the, ability to harm or the risk of harm is really low, but it's still works well, and there's still efficacy there, because it doesn't matter if it doesn't harm you, but if it doesn't work, it still doesn't work. And so that's what I'm always on the search for. And that's how red light therapy came up on my radar, because I started to look into it and I started to look into obviously the contraindications.
And when you can't use it and there is very little and I was like, interesting, okay, well does it really work then? And so I started diving in more and the more I looked into it, the more interested I was. So I started using it in my human, practice. And that's really what stemmed looking into it as well. This is working so well for my humans. I wonder how old my horse would like it. And so I started using on my horse who had some issues and my dogs.
And interestingly, when I would treat myself, my senior dogs would come up and lay underneath with me. Oh, that's so fascinating. Yeah. And animals are so intuitive, like that, right? They know what they need way better than we know what they need. I that says so much right there to me, that they're sort of inviting themself into that space, into that healing energy. So so you started using it on humans in your human practice before you started using it on animals?
Yes. Yeah. So at the time, though, I was trying to find a solution that worked well in my practice. And, a lot of the products on the market were a lot of panels. And it was kind of awkward, because for red light therapy to be effective, ideally you want it to be, exposed directly to skin. So then your I was like, can I get a panel that comes down from the ceiling? Like, this is just it's starting to get awkward to make it easy.
Yeah. And that's where I started to look outside of like, hey, well, what other options are there? And like what? And when I looked at that, I was like, hey, do they have animal products? Because if this is helping my clients so much, like, I feel like it would help my animals too. And we're always looking for more solutions for our animals to cut down that cost and extend their life and their quality of life. Right. So I'm a I'm a sucker that way.
If it's it's going to help, I'm willing to be on board. So you said that ideally with humans, it has to be as close to the skin as possible. So my first question then obviously is going to be animals have hair coats. Does the hair coat hinder the effectiveness of the red light. So here's let's dive in to one of the biggest questions I think really immediately. So hair coat. Also we always get the question about like hose can it penetrate a hook.
So the reality is that many, many, many factors are going to affect the penetration level of red light therapy. We can't truly determine like there's a range of how deep it really penetrates. And it's anywhere from red light, which is not as deep of, penetration. It's it's anywhere. It's a few millimeters to infrared, near infrared specifically that goes 2.5cm deep. They say. So that's quite a range in and of itself. But the interesting thing is there's still more that will affect that.
So technically, you know, hair hair color could affect that, skin thickness. Facial thickness. There's so many things that actually do affect a good read on how deep it really is. Truly penetrating. Okay. So does that matter? Is the next question. That was totally gonna be my next question. Yeah. Does that matter? Okay, so you know it. What is that sort of healing depth that we're looking for that makes red light so special?
So where I feel it really shines is what it's doing at a cellular level. I think that's the part that when people understand it, they can understand the applications moving forward. So the best way I can describe red light therapy, because it is a little bit of an intangible concept. It's a light, right. So it's hard to understand why that would have such, biological and therapeutic effects on muscle tissue, all of that.
But essentially what happens is we have what are called, chromo receptors on our cells. This is how we get vitamin D from the sun. That is a form of common receptors. So they've when they've studied different forms of light. So we see light as colors. But it's actually measurable on a spectrum. And UV light is on that spectrum. It's the lowest on the spectrum and far infrared is on the very end. And then you keep getting into radio waves, gamma waves, all of that.
But in the middle there you have the visible light spectrum. And they notice that when certain colors of light, which are measurable wavelengths, are touching the skin or absorbed by those chroma receptors, the cell does certain things and each light does something a little bit different. So. So what are those light colors. So we have anywhere the big ones that you'll hear about are obviously red light infrared light blue light. Because we hear about blue light in a few different ways.
We do would be, you know, our devices we always talk about like the devices. So blue light is, not as far on the spectrum. Red light is the deepest of the colored light. So if you are and the and then the most shallow we have like yellow, we have orange, purple, blue, green I'm probably missing one. But anyways we have the whole rainbow of lights and they all penetrate at different low, depths and levels.
And you can actually see, you know, like blue light I think is somewhere 400 to 500 nanometers and nanometers is what they measure it in, whereas red light is 620 to 700 and UV light being at the lower end is 100 to 400. And so they have physiological, reactions with these chroma receptors. Correct. Each different light. Yeah. Okay. So how does that work. So light gets absorbed by the cell. And then it stimulates the cell to do certain things.
So specifically the reason red light and infrared is so powerful is what it does at the cellular level. So it actually gets absorbed by the cell itself. And it encourages the cell to make more ATP. So for all of you who remember that little bit of science in school, ATP is made in the mitochondria, which is the powerhouse of the cell. So mitochondria is if you have healthy mitochondria in your cells, your cells have the ability to do a lot of stuff.
It has a lot of ability to build things, make things enzymes, proteins, cytokines, neurotransmitters, all of those things. But if your cells don't have an energy source, they can't do that. And if you look at a lot of conditions, there is an interesting connection with energy source. I love that. So it's it's powering the powerhouse. Yeah. Like charging a battery making it more efficient too. Okay. Perfect. And so when you when you power that powerhouse what is the result of that.
So we see a trickle down of many things. So immediately what happens. And one of the things that people see most often quickly is like a reduction of inflammation and increase of circulation when it comes to healing, anything, any time there's any kind of lack of circulation in the body, there's going to be a lack of healing, because with circulation comes nutrition. So you can't heal things if there's not good circulation to it. It's just hard.
So that's why a lot of products on the market, a lot of modalities aim to increase circulation. So it actually kicks out nitric oxide and allows the cell to absorb more oxygen. When nitric oxide gets kicked out of the cell, the actual blood vessels will expand in what's called vessel dilation, and so that expanding the blood vessels allows more blood flow through to the area. Perfect, yes. And when you have more blood flow to the area, of course you're reducing toxins.
You are helping that inflammatory process work through faster I love this okay okay. More trickle down effects. So then if you're still in the mitochondria is healthier. It can also create more proteins and enzymes and things that the body needs at a cellular level to create tissues or to repair tissues or to repair lining of the gut, or to create more enzyme to, you know, break something down. So in the trickle down effect, we're seeing a lot of interesting things.
There's tons of human studies. Obviously always less with human with the horses and dogs. But in human studies there's an effect on sugar metabolism. So there's a really cool research that actually talked about the fact that using red light therapy helps with blood glucose levels after glucose consumption, and it was about like 25, 30%. It decreased. That is so fascinating for the application for our metabolic courses that yes, huge ramifications are those are big numbers.
Wow. Okay. And it improved insulin sensitivity as well. Perfect that that is incredible stuff. I wish they did more research papers on horses. You're right. It's so we do have to extrapolate it from human a lot. But that's where your human background is so perfect for this. Right. Because you have access to the the human papers as well. So keep going with these trickle down effects I love this.
So then we also saw, effects in like neurological conditions, and healing nerve issues and nerve conditions because actually you have a decrease in some of the inflammatory cytokines, interleukin alpha, interleukin six. And let's see the other one. There's a couple main ones that they, when they studied, they saw a reduction in those inflammatory cytokines. And when it comes to nerve damage, inflammation can slow down the nerve damage itself. Right. That's cytokine storm is messy in the body.
It is. And for it to heal well it also needs space and inflammation doesn't allow for more space. Right. And of course with the red light kicking out that nitrous oxide, creating more blood flow, you're increasing space for things to happen. Okay. I love this. All right. So, there must be a lot of applications for this. So we've, you know, we touched on the fact that it's changing, you know, insulin and glucose, in big numbers and in big ways, which I think is really fascinating.
But, it has to then affect nerve ending disorders. You know, touched on neurological disorders. I'm thinking about our horses that have things like head Shaker syndrome. Right. These type of applications where, where what situations would you use red light therapy? When would it be your go to and how would the science help with the healing? So I have to be honest, I'm a bit biased, obviously, but you're allowed to be right for so many things.
And I reach for it all the time because it's super safe. And so if there's something that like, I'm, I'm not sure like what we could do that would help. I will root for red light first because I know that it's not going to make it worse. It's not going to hurt it. Which is one of the things that, you know, with some other modalities, you might have to be a bit more mindful depending on the stage of healing.
It's in, or what the type of condition, how it's driven, if it's anything that's related to inflammation, red light therapy, let's do it. If it's something that's related to pain, because there's a lot of research on it helping with pain, I'm going to root for my red light. So I use it often with anything swelling and pain related. Let's go do it.
Now, when we get into more of like the athletic maintenance recovery piece, that's where it becomes, I would say, a little bit more nuance, because you have to play with your animal a little bit more specifically, we did have a client who, was, at Shaker, and they bought a head and neck piece for their horse. And they did find it reduced the amount of head shaking. Now, are you going to see results right away?
It's hard to say because it depends how bad the condition is, how long they've had it, what other factors are playing into this. And if it's been properly diagnosed. Right. Like that's the other big of course. Yes. My question with penetration, obviously I'm going to ask the same question. You said everyone's going to ask about hoof penetration, because I actually read that it is really helpful for navicular and laminitis. Can you explain why it would be helpful inside the hoof capsule or how.
Yeah. And so like laminitis is a really easy one in a sense, because anything I remind people that anything that is an Adas is an inflammation of something. Yes. So it's laminitis is the inflammation of the lamina. So if red light therapy is really effective for reducing inflammation then it's going to help. Even if it's temporarily reducing some of the inflammation in that laminae that any time there's that reduction it gives the opportunity for healing to happen.
It gives the opportunity for the pressure to be released a little bit, which also allows your horse to have some relief in pain or discomfort. And when horses feel better, they move better. So if you're trying to change or get them to move more or, you know, trying to make a change in their, more of their exercise routine or things like that, then feeling good makes a difference. We all know the horse when they don't want to do something, it's really hard to think right.
And in those acute phases of inflammation, often it's so painful that you shouldn't move them. You need to get them more comfortable and more stable. Is red light therapy safe enough to use in in in those acute inflammatory states, like in the beginning of a lemon attack founder flare. Or like you mentioned, you know, anything with swelling, like if it came in and it's acutely sore. Can we do that? It's not contraindicated. Wow. So it can truly be the first line of defense.
And so yeah, so it's complicated when you think about, you know, the the old school of thought was always I said compression, compression, compression. You know, left, you know, elevate things. The race theory, you know, how does this change your thought process or how should one change their thought process on these acute injuries in these acute inflammatory states? Yeah. If you know red light therapy it's showing to reduce and be safe in these immediate things. Are we using it in lieu of ice.
Yeah. So I have the ice heat debate all the time. Is it. It is an ongoing debate. So I use is very beneficial for like immediate acute. Now interestingly I'm taking this information from more recent research on humans because there was a few years ago, they came out with essentially a revised recommendation on acute injuries and chronic injuries and ice versus heat, and whether you should be not moving or weight bearing a one of all the things.
And to be honest, they've kind of swapped the script on almost everything. So elevation is always going to be helpful because you're pulling, fluid away from the area. Right? So you're giving it's unit because it's your legs, limbs that we're trying to elevate. So it's giving the blood vessels themselves a little bit of a break of having to push the blood back up. You're essentially allowing giving them a mechanical advantage to do that.
Now I use they've shown you can use in the very immediately like you twist your ankle, use ice. But if you wait even like 4 or 5 hours and then use ice, it may not be as effective and not only may not be as effective, it might slow down the healing. And this is really interesting because we are so conditioned to use ice now. I don't think ice it's a bad thing. I think we need to be people mindful of how we're using cold therapies, because they do constrict blood flow.
Now, when something's super swollen, it's you. I don't think inflammation is a bad guy. This is really misunderstood. In my opinion. Inflammation serves a purpose. Inflammation that sits in an area is dangerous. Inflammation that doesn't move, that doesn't cycle through, that doesn't get like, you know, you'll have those inflammatory cytokines in that inflammation for a while.
But if you're having good circulation through the area, then your body should be bringing what the healing needs and taking away the debris. And there should be that, you know, back and forth constantly. Yeah. The body's wise. It's not. It's there for a reason. Yeah. It's the inflammation that sits. That's, that's the one that really causes more long term issues. And we see this in osteoarthritis right. It's inflammation that sits in a joint.
And what's interesting is you don't want to rest because when you move you also help to pump blood. Yeah. So movement is really helpful for moving fluid. And we know this because we see horses they stock up in their stall. And then you get them moving and they're doing great right. This is why we have standing rocks because some horses are just a bit more prone to it. You want to avoid that.
But movement is always going to be helpful because again you're helping to move that circulation and so does the red light therapy. If let's say you have a horse that stocks up, if you use red light therapy on the horse that stocks up, is it actually helping reduce the inflammation, which will trickle into the effect of having the horse move more because it's more comfortable? Is that the thought process behind it? But it starts the process before it's mechanically done with move.
Exactly, I love it. I've actually treated a few horses. And it was actually the one horses. Pretty wild. It was a hawk. And it was not it was not in use for anything. This was a pastor horse at this point because the hawk was pretty, pretty gnarly. But we treated it. And in 15 minutes you could see a reduction in size that. Wow, I hope he took before and after video of that. That would be just so fascinating to watch that not, always when you have those great moments. I know that's too bad.
I would love to see something like that. One of the other applications that I read, it's really common for use is for humans is, for menstrual cramps. And of course, as someone who breeds horses, I think about all of the mares in our barn and the discomfort that they feel when they are cycling. Yeah. Is this an application? Can you walk me through that as an application? Because I think that can help. A lot of our mare owners.
Well, and so if we think about it in, in, humans, like what's happening during cramping, right. Like it's, it's a contraction of the muscle and it's, it's contracting and like, holding down on some of those blood vessels and everything else. Right? So anytime we can get that to relax, that's going to reduce pain. But that's also going to help everything. Interestingly with the cramps in your the cramping is reduced quite significantly. I personally have really terrible time.
It, it wakes me up in the middle of the night and I will put it on. It'll allow me to fall back asleep. And in horses, we actually had a horse who had some reproductive stuff. And they used to use it over her, kind of like asi low back area. And they found that she was a less moody, which is always a benefit for some of the family. Yeah. And then she's like, she was a performance horse and she performed better. She was less irritable. She was last, you know, all of the things.
And, they noticed a big difference. And they would tell people and not everybody believed them, but they anecdotally, they said it made a huge difference for their mare. I love that now, my other question is about wounds and wound care. There are so few things that we can do to accelerate healing when the skin is broken. Is red light therapy one of those things that we can do or not? Yes. Super safe. So in our in our products, we have red light and infrared.
Now, depending on the type of wound, you might actually only use red light. I usually use both because I find they they help in different ways, but red light helps a lot with angiogenesis. So that's the re formation of those really tiny blood vessels. And so you do need that like just like tissue growth. It goes in stages. And the angiogenesis is really what's going to help close up that wound. So it does help. And I mean we've had tons of anecdotal studies.
And people telling us about this, but it's been heavily studied in dogs as well as horses and humans. Interestingly, in humans it's even helpful in diabetic, ulcers and and just stay cool. Yeah. Those are really right. Thank you. Yes. That I love this. Because also our metabolic horses don't heal well from wounds. Right.
So, if there's anything we can do to help them and speed that recovery process because that they do have physiological changes and they do not lay down tissue and repair tissue the same way, later into things like Cushing's, as other horses now, I will mention also that red light does have a bit of an antibacterial property to it as well.
So we do also notice that not only does the wound often heal up faster with less scar tissue, it also ends up having less complications for many horses and many dogs. And that's always a challenge, right? Because like with the human, you're mindful to keep your cut clean. But animals are not exactly hard. Keeping some wounds on horses both dressed and, keeping the dressing on it and clean because they always injure themselves in the difficult spots. It's never easy, right?
So that to me, is really fascinating. And it also leads me into my next question about biosecurity. If I am using, one of these items and traveling from barn to barn to barn in my practice, if it has a natural, all antibacterial sort of property, it's one layer less of worry, right? Yeah. But I'm assuming they're very cleanable. Yes. Yeah, they have plastic coverings. And so it's really easy to wipe down.
The other thing, I mean, depending on what you're treating like when it comes to skin conditions, wound healing, it is actually really helpful for even, healing bacterial conditions. So because it has that antibacterial property to it, the other thing is our one product that is our porch also has blue light. So we don't talk about blue light. We're blue light is not as much a star of the show because it doesn't have as many beneficial properties.
However, the one super beneficial property is it's very antiseptic. So I recommend, you know, if you have a torch using it on like an abscess or something that is, you know, an infection, not just, a wound. And it will really help kill a lot of that bacteria as well. So, I mean, really, you could use your blue light and your torch to also clean all of your products and everything else, right? That's that's part of, in some medical fields.
That's one of the ways that they sanitize is using like, what's really cool about this is the versatility. I know you mentioned osteo arthritic conditions and, you know, post-workout. So within one barn or within one body work practice, you see a number of different types of conditions and a number of different types of animals.
And what I love is the fact that this is an extremely versatile way of addressing inflammation, of helping our animals, because we can put the same device on, you know, 45 year old laminate pony that we can on, you know, a six year old performance horse who's just starting to gear up into the higher levels of workout and workload now, are there any cool research papers, any cool findings that, you can share with us?
Anything that you've read that you think that our listeners would want to look up and read? So one of the ones we just posted recently was all about eye health, because another big, big question I always get is, is it safe to look at the lights? And I had in my researching, I had stumbled upon there was actually a few studies that talked about it being not just being safe for seeing, but helping eye conditions and eye health.
And actually and there's some companies who have made like that's their whole thing is they just focus on that and they have full protocols for like if you have glasses potentially helping your eyes heal so that you might not need glasses. Wow. So I found that really fascinating. They talk a lot about also, development in children when children are having, that, myopic. It's right where the muscles development. That's why they have vision issues sometimes when they're youngest or.
Yeah, growing up. So they've done a lot of studies with children and they see how that's beneficial. And so I think that's always an interesting one because for some people, when we didn't know very much about red light therapy, they always just said, don't look at it. And that was just like to wear glasses. Yeah, right. They just said it could be safe. Whereas now I'm actually letting people know like no, there's actually some benefits to seeing it. So don't shy away from looking at it.
Maybe don't put it right up to your eyeball and stare at it like that. But but it's not dangerous to put yourself. And so when the devices on and it's obviously you can see the glowing red light from underneath the fabric, what is the range that it's affecting? Like is there bounce back that's affecting the practitioners that are operating it? That is such a cool question. I, I love that question because, one of the things I don't think we talk about often. So a couple things I want to preface.
Eight animals don't have a placebo effect like humans do. Nope. So any human product that we have, there's always a placebo effect. How strong it is depends on many factors. Animals don't have that, so they just respond with however they feel, which is one of the reasons I also really believe in red light therapy because I've seen so many amazing responses.
But in humans, what's fascinating is visually seeing red light also benefits us because the visual like, even if it's not directly staring at it, having it in our visual field actually does have effects. So when the products on you, depending on where you have it placed or what product you're using, you might not even see that it's on unless you lift it up.
But for the product that you might see some red light, especially like our torch, if you have it, you know you're going to see that it light scatters. So you'll see it in a like a little space. It might even be beneficial for your own hormones to be able to see it. That's so fascinating to me. So I bet you get this question a lot, too. How am I going to integrate red light therapy into my existing practice now?
Can I combine it with other modalities if I'm a chiropractor, if I'm a massage therapist, do we use it at the same session? Do we recommend that our clients purchase something, and use it in between sessions? You know, how do we make this a practical, everyday solution? Yeah. So I use it in a few ways in my practice. So that's the best way I recommend it to other people is, you know, for starters, everybody has a different treatment style.
So you have to figure out if it makes sense to work it into your treatment style. I often when I'm using a, really on animals or on humans, if, if the client is really, acute and they're struggling with any sensations, then sometimes using red light first can actually bring down the, nervous system and bring down the sensation in that area enough that then you can actually manually work on that area.
So first challenge sometimes, right, like, yeah, you're really soft and it's hard to sometimes get the work done that you want it to. Yeah. And so I just switch it around and maybe I'll do that first. It will kind of bring things down enough that then I can get in there. And the horse human dog is not as hyper excitable. Yep. Yep. Yeah. And, so that's one of the ways I use it. The other thing I also find is really fabulous post shockwave.
So if you're somebody who does Shock wave or get Shock Wave, then I find it super like they just go very well hand in hand as far as the healing capacity and the reduction of pain. Post shock wave, because the shock wave is a bit of an inflammatory. That's exactly what it is. Yeah. And so if there is some discomfort, reducing that discomfort can obviously be greatly beneficial as well. So that's also one of the ways I recommend it.
But really you gotta play around with it for yourself and see some people do it as a standalone treatment. Now, the only thing I will mention about doing it as a standalone treatment is that in a perfect world, we're all getting red light therapy 3 to 5 times a week. If were not necessarily acute for acute, it might be every day. So that does change the things. If you're a practitioner, you might not be able to be there as often as ideal.
And that's where having a client use a product on their own will help in between the body work sessions that your horse gets done. So and it is safe enough for someone who's not a practitioner who doesn't have that same experience with anatomy and physiology, it is pretty safe for them to use. So it's worth clients investing in something, if they want to be helping their own horses. And I really like that.
I like, a lot of the horse owners, of course, you know, me as a horse owner, all of my clients, as horse owners, they want to be involved in that healing journey. They want to be involved in preventative stuff. They want they want to help. So, because it has, you know, such limited contraindications. I think, and it's so safe. I think it's something that's, a good investment now. What actual devices.
So if I'm interested in purchasing, what would you suggest would be an entry level purchase that's the most versatile versus, you know, are there, you know, different things that I want to use for a back for a head, you know? Yeah. Tell me, tell me what you offer for our horses and, and how we would go about picking and choosing which thing to purchase. Yeah. So I am a horse owner, so I understand how much everything in the horse will cost and how there's always something new to get.
So we really focus on versatility. We have a product for pretty much every area of the body. If you have the resources and you're maybe a practitioner who wants to do it as a full body and you don't have to move things, great for everybody else who is like, I just want to start with something. There's so many options. I have to go tos, because I do get asked all the time if you could only have one product, what product would it be? And the reality is, there isn't just one for me. I'm so sorry.
The one product we have is called a large wrap. It's a nice large, rectangular mat that I can get pretty much every area of a horse's body, neck, chest, abdomen, back as I can get stifle. You know, the only areas that I can't get easily are the legs. And it's just because it's awkward to wrap. And that's where I actually my second product for legs is the hoof wraps. So this one always throws people off because they assume it's the leg wraps.
But if I could only get a couple items, I would pick the whole wraps only because I use it obviously off the hook. I also use it on the knees, fox jaw and paw. And so I find it super versatile to get so many different areas. And it's they're really, really easy to use. So you essentially put it on, turn it on, that's it. And it has an automatic 15 minute timer. So it turns itself off unless you're doing a longer treatment.
But most people find that we say 10 to 30 minutes, that sweet spot being that 15 to 20 minutes for most. I am so deeply fascinated by this. Guys, red light therapy is offering such exciting potential for horses with applications ranging, like we said, from wound healing to muscle recovery and pain relief. These benefits like the faster healing, the reduced inflammation, and essentially just improved performance in our horses.
They are supported by preliminary studies, lots of studies in humans starting these, studies happening in horses. We always know things are a little slower to happen with horses, but we're so grateful to have people like you, Victoria, who can help us. Really learn the science and stuff behind this. This has been such a valuable conversation. So if someone wants to get one of these blankets, get one of these hoof wraps, or look at your entire line of products, how can they reach you?
What's your website? What's your socials, and how can they get in contact with you? Definitely. So on social media, we are equal therapeutics and our website is Aqua Glow Therapeutics. Okay. Because we are Canadian from Ontario. So you can reach us. If you reach out on social media, you will get me. So if you listen to this episode, you had a question specifically about something we said, you can message me on social media and you will get me and you will get a response from me personally.
So that's I love talking to clients about their experiences. So that's really what makes my day special. So please do. And I love that you are the touchpoint for it because you're so incredibly knowledgeable. I have never talked to anyone, and with the depth of information and the breadth of information on red light, that you have, I mean, this has been just so eye opening, groundbreaking and fascinating for me. I can't thank you enough, guys.
I'm going to drop all of that contact information into, our show notes. Go look at this yourself. It is absolutely fascinating and incredible stuff. And of course, thank you, Victoria, for making yourself available. Not only for our podcast listeners, but for the people who reach out and talk to you directly. That is such an amazing resource, and I thank you on behalf of our horse community. Thank you so much. It's honestly, I could talk about this stuff all day.
I am such a science nerd when it comes to this stuff. So you have science a send them by way, I love it. I love it.