¶ Return to Geonosis
This week we're heading back to Geonosis to deal with some bugs , and a couple zombie bugs too along the way . Clone Wars , season 2 , episode 5 through 8 , coming up . Stick around , howdy spacers . Welcome to Star Wars Safe Space , your non-toxic , low-sodium Star Wars show .
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Looking very Sith Lord-y and sounding like he needs a cough drop . He sounded Sith Damn Very Siff Lordy and sounding like he needs a cough drop .
He sounded Sith .
Damn , he did Very Siffy , very Siffy and smoky , that's right . And pilot of the infamous Parma Flyer . It is Crash .
Hi guys , you know we got Y-Wings this week so I had to be here .
We did get Y-Wings this week , and they were rocking it too , aren't they ?
oh my gosh they did .
They are . They definitely swooped in and saved the day for sure . Um , and I am tommy d , you're slightly obnoxious star wars know-it-all . So what are we doing here ?
We are on a mission to watch all of the Star Wars canon films and TV shows in chronological order , breaking them down , connecting the dots and learning a little more about Star Wars , and maybe even about ourselves along the way . So just a warning there will be spoilers , so be prepared for that .
So this week we continue on with Season 2 of the Clone Wars , with episodes five , six , seven and eight , which released on November and in November and December of 2009 and take place Twenty one BBY , and that is 21, . The events in Star Wars New Hope the very first Star Wars film , which released in 1977 , are considered year zero on the timeline .
So anything taking place before the Battle of Yavin is considered BBY . Anything taking place after is ABY . So you will be hearing us talking a little bit about that , will be hearing us talking a little bit about that . So season two is definitely a bit darker and a bit more gritty , I guess people like to say , than season one .
And this week , these four episodes . It's all just battle , battle , battle . I mean , this was just , for the most part , non-stop action in all four of these episodes , starting with landing at point rain , we're returning to geonosis . We're retaking the planet and man did it get out of control fast , like any war . We're seeing , you know , the fog of war .
We're seeing the confusion on the battlefield . People are getting killed left and right . Um , I don't think we had anybody for our wall of remembrance we did .
I thought you wrote it down we did .
I'm sorry . Yes , trash talk trooper . Yes , uh , if you guys remember him , he was like you know , good thing , these clankers , you know bad shots , or whatever , yeah , and then , and then his whole transport blew up . You know , good thing , these clankers , you know , are bad shots or whatever , yeah , and then his whole transport blew up , like you know .
So , trash talk trooper , didn't see it coming , but thoughts and prayers to you , buddy . So we did see a lot of parallels between this story arc in this episode in particular and World War II movies , films . You know Lucas , you know George Lucas drew on those . I'm getting an echo . Are you guys hearing that too ?
That sounds like a Bad Batch joke .
An echo .
Yeah , I had to lower my mic .
They actually did that joke too one time . Is there an echo in here ?
And he goes , yeah me .
Oh my goodness . But so this episode was just kind of a nice proper battle , I think . I mean there was . No , there wasn't a whole lot of . There was some nice character interaction , you know , between the Jedi there was some . They were kind of trading shots Obi-Wan is always snarky , yeah , ahsoka's Ahsoka .
There was a little bit of back and forth there between everybody . I don't think we saw a whole lot in terms of growth or character progression or anything like that . What do you guys think ?
a lot of teamwork I mean trying to you know I mean trying to get through as far as our main characters are concerned , no , but um , and you know you were talking about I'm sorry , go ahead oh you were talking about .
You know the world war ii influences . George lucas , dave baloney went hard on this episode in particular about the World War II references especially . There's a shot when Anakin's team and Ahsoka are breaching the wall and there's just basically this long panning sprint to where the battle droids are .
And if you're a World War II film fan , there's a movie called the Longest Day . That was a direct homage to a shot from that movie where they literally took a cable camera , hit said action and guys are running , pyros going and this camera is just dragging along this long stretch of coastline . Whatever it catches it catches .
Usually in movies , you know , animation is used as a pre-vis for live action . In this case , the live action was the pre-vis for something we see in animation . It was just a beautiful shot and anybody who's a big world war ii movie fan was doing like the leo and caprio , like there .
It is like as soon as you saw it you knew exactly what he was trying to get across and what was the movie again , what was it called ? it's called the longest day . It's one of those cast of thousands john wayne , sean connery . They cover the entire d-day invasion from different perspectives and bounce back and forth , but there's that one shot .
That's a very famous shot because it's a very long one , take kind of thing , and they did it beautifully in animation .
Okay , okay and then , yeah , and that's like you said . That's very similar to what we saw in this episode .
They had three teams doing different aspects .
Right , and then that run towards the defensive wall .
That they weren't supposed to be , by that they weren't supposed to be by .
That they weren't supposed to be by .
You're near it .
No battle plan survives up to the first punch , yeah .
No battle plan survives first contact with the enemy . What's the other thing about that ? There's another thing about a punch Everyone's got a plan until they get punched in the face , or something like that . I don't know Something like that .
I've never been punched in the face , not in this beauty . No , no , no .
How would that happen if they didn't have Palpatine in the room with them as they were discussing the play that's rude .
As soon as I saw him , I was like this is a trap , it's going to go well , it's a trap . They're always a trap because he knows everything and he's telling I mean , he's playing both sides , so he does what he wants , but yeah .
Especially because this is a rematch of the fight we all saw in the beginning of Clone Wars in Episode 2 . It's like , you know , the clones know the droid and the Geonosian tactics and they up their game .
And so did the Geonosians tactics and they upped their game , and so did the Geonosians , you know , luring a team into a cave where they don't have air cover . You know , the bugs are the air cover and can just pick you guys off .
Meanwhile the clones are packing flamethrowers for some reason , and you're like that's not meant for droids , that was meant for the bugs . Very Starship Troopers-esque .
I felt bad because I started laughing . Like in the background you can see the ones that got hit with the flamethrowers and still trying to fly off . They just look like little flaming angels . It was kind of I shouldn't laugh , but it was hilarious and then plummeting to their deaths .
but uh , yeah , well , you know . So a couple things in this episode that might have been missed , so so if you did miss it , go back and watch it again . Waxer and Boiler back they're kind of a funny little duo , if you guys remember them from season one and you notice Waxer has this cool little cartoony representation of Numa on his helmet .
She was so cute , very cute on his helmet .
So very cute . So we are seeing more . You know that . You know that the more you know , individual personalities of the clone troopers are coming out , and you know how sweet is that . You know , I mean that he , you know he had that he made that connection with someone on a planet that he may never see again . Right , you know so , right , you know so .
I mean it was go ahead , that was a green , okay , so , and then , uh and sherry , you would ask , you know , um , how old ahsoka was ? Yeah , during all of this , so 14 years old at the start of the war and then 17 years old at the end of it .
So again , star Wars is whatever age , it doesn't even matter , it's the maturity level . I kind of like that , because I think some people take even children for granted that are a little more mature . Yeah , put them to work , put them to war , why not ? I'm not saying send them to war , war , but I'm just saying they might have good ideas as well .
We need to also listen to that . But yes , but that's how I felt the episode was , at least for that little portion but I do think that we could .
We could send children to war , because why not ? I mean , they love , they can hold it for you in other countries . But that's again . That's the Jedi . That's the Jedi way we're gonna teach young babies .
We're gonna teach them how to fight by the age of 14 but , it's not the Jedi way , because Padme was 14 , she was a queen , so that's not . That's not the Jedi way , that's Star Wars . They age different , so that's not the .
Jedi way . That's Star Wars , star Wars universe .
They age different .
Apparently On the other hand Child labor laws .
On the other hand , we've got Grogu , who's 50 and barely doing anything .
Right , they live for hundreds of years .
So I just think Grogu's lazy .
He's not lazy , he's a little cutie .
He's cute , but he's lazy . Come on , put him to work . He's 50 . Ahsoka was only 14 . Look how much she accomplished in just three years . Race is different .
Yeah , different race .
I'm sorry , I don't see race in these things . I'm sorry , all right .
I'm sorry I don't see race in these things .
I'm sorry , alright . So what are we doing with the midichlorians here ? What's the midichlorian count for this episode Crash ?
I'm going to give it five . This cooked like a flame-throwing clone dripper .
I agree . I'm also giving it a five . This cooked like a flame-throwing clone dripper . I agree . I'm also giving it a five . Action-packed , non-stop . Not a lot of filler , it just went . Loved it . I'm giving it a three . Giving it a three .
Yeah , 3.5 .
Oh , okay , 3.5 . Alright .
It was all right . I like the action , but it really wasn't , didn't really do it for me .
Didn't do it for you . All right , that's fair .
Tony , I'm going with 4.5 on this one . This was a great episode and a really great example of this series getting dark .
Yeah , yeah , no doubt .
And just to go back to something we talked about in the pre-show , this was the first time , I think , we saw the jedi as vulnerable . You know not just you know with the mail in , like the micro series and some of the other stuff around this era the jedi sort of just leap into situations and you think , oh , even Obi-Wan , we know Obi-Wan's going to survive .
But in this episode , when things were at their worst , the droids and the Genoshans had their tanks circled and they were closing in there was a real moment of you can see on Obi-Wan where we're in trouble . Until my Y-Wing boys from Shadow squadron came in and kicked some butt , they were in trouble yeah yeah , you're not wrong .
You're not wrong . Yeah , that was yeah , every . But again , everybody except anakin . Anakin is the only one who never really worries , unless it's about his padawan . You know well , not just his Padawan , but people he cares about . But other than that , he has no fear , he has no concept of defeat , he just goes .
He's kind of like a Captain Kirk .
Yeah , I mean , I almost wonder and I have no idea if they thought that far ahead into it . But like when you basically tell a kid , before you even start really training him , that he's essentially a chosen one , like , does that give you that era of invulnerability where like , yeah , fuck .
I don't know , that's an interesting point .
I mean he knows he's good , and I think that's the thing too . He absolutely knows that he's good and he's very good .
Yes , but there's an air of arrogance there which he has , oh , absolutely .
Yeah , more and more common in jedi these days ? Yeah , especially the young ones , for sure . All right , so moving on to episode six , the weapon factory .
Uh , this one was pretty interesting in that we got to see the dynamic between other Jedi and their Padawan versus Anakin and Ahsoka who , like Luminara said , they kind of play fast and loose with the rules and the tradition . So I mean , we see Barriss and Luminara walking up to Anakin and Ahsoka and the first thing Luminara says is oh , they're at it again .
Yeah , that was so funny . And then we see Barriss offer this wonderful formal bow and greeting to Ahsoka and Ahsoka just is like , oh , what's up ? Dabbing him up .
Like hey , welcome , but I don't think you're in a war situation , like , why are you curtsying ? Are you kidding me right now ? I mean , I get it . She's been in war , she's , ahsoka , seen a lot already yeah .
So I mean she's pretty battle hardened at this point . You know like they're like a I don't even think like even a year into the war yet at this point and she's seen so much and she's seen a lot . She's seen so much , so that was nice to see that with them .
¶ Fear and Trust in Jedi Missions
And again we do see more of anakin's fear , you know , of fear of loss , because when they went down in that tank you know he wasn't going to leave this planet without them . You know he didn't even want to focus to go because , again , the episode was about trust .
That was the moral of the story in this episode , that was the theme , but I don't think it was ever about Anakin not trusting her . I think it was more about him being afraid of losing her .
Oh , yeah , yeah , when she kept saying you don't trust me , no , so I don't trust you . But then he can't express I would , yeah , he would throw himself into the deepest hole for her .
And Pappy , he would literally move a mountain .
Literally , Literally and he did .
Lifting that .
And Luminara brought it up . Luminara said , hey , you know , don't you trust her ? And he was like no , it's not that . And she was like , well , what is it ? And he was like nothing . And we see the camera zoom in on her .
Like she senses that fear , like she , I think she felt it for a second for sure so I don't know what are your thoughts um , I thought this was an interesting episode .
Um , it was .
I thought it was nice to see and we will see this , you know , in another episode in this , in this batch , this batch of showing how Ahsoka is that much more advanced than other Padawan who should , in theory , have the same level of experience as she has and we touched on it on other episodes of the you know it's the whole thing is for a master and a
Padawan to be together . Then why don't we have Luminar embarrassed together and Anakin and Ahsoka together , like the ? The splitting them up wasn't necessary for this you're right .
You know it's kind of interesting how they split the padawan and masters , because you know , you think , what the youngins are more spry .
Yeah , if anything , you would think the masters would have gone on to such a dangerous mission to protect their padawans from being placed in a scenario they're not ready for , from being placed in a scenario they're not ready for .
Right .
But it's also Ahsoka is sort of the eyes of the viewer in this series , obviously because she's a fresh character and this is sort of her first test with someone her own age , sure .
Yeah , I thought it was interesting . Obviously they made a point of saying , hey , barris knows the plans , she knows the whole structure down below ground . So obviously she had to go .
And again , for the story's sake of showing us the difference between the two , it makes sense that Ahsoka would go with her for that , but as a strategy it's not the best one , right ? Oh well , yeah , it still works .
It seemed a little odd in reality versus like for the sake of a story how the two Padawans went on the dangerous part of the mission instead of the mask . You know , you think they would have sent a master and a Padawan Right instead of the master .
You think they would have sent a master and a Padawan as much as that dynamic of their relationship is about that . But at the same time this was sort of Ahsoka's first test with one of her peers . She's worked with Flo Koon , she's worked with Obi-Wan and Luminara on missions . But now she gets to go on a mission with someone her own age .
It's kind of like hanging out with your cousin that you don't see all the time and you realize we don't have a lot in common .
Well , and I also think it was a little test for Barriss herself . You know , she just wanted to get her Padawan out into the field , Like let's see what she can do when she's on her own .
And we've seen padawan sent back to the temple . Ahsoka has been sent back to the temple for more study right during the war . You know right , I don't think baris opi is in the field with luminar all the time no , I don't think so , because she I she wasn't with her when her Nosoka was there .
Yeah . So yeah , maybe they're just trying to touch on the youth a little more .
Yeah , just trying to show that they can be , they're capable and they can actually be trusted , and all that good stuff .
This was a good episode . I thought yeah it was .
What's the midichlorian count ? What are you guys thinking ?
I would give this one , three and a half .
I would give it a five . I liked it . The storyline was interesting and how they saved each other . I think they did a really good job . I don't know . I really like this episode .
Okay , all right . Very good , crash . What about you Four ? I really like this episode .
Okay , all right , very good , crash . What about you Four ? I think it's a solid continuation , even with a different plot line . We go from the invasion episode to the . Here's the final strategy . Instead of a big arc , three teams of Jedi , now we're dealing with two Padawans on their own .
I thought that was very interesting , I agree , I agree , I think I'm also giving two Padawans on their own , and I thought that was very interesting . I agree , I agree . I think I'm also giving it a four for that . So good , good episode . It was a good episode , so next one up . I don't think we lost anybody in that one .
I don't think we've got anybody for the wall of remembrance on that one . I don't think anybody died in any sort of horrific way .
So , yeah , all right sort of horrific way .
So , yeah , all right , this one , yeah , no , I didn't think . No , nobody , everybody was uh , you know , there were some basic uh , explosions and blaster hits and things like that , but I don't think any of our clones really got uh , you know , uh brutalized in this one . So , all right . So , uh , next , legacy of terror , episode seven .
Um , this one gave us some zombie bugs , which was very interesting . Um , also , obi-wan had mentioned and this was the second time he mentioned it he's he's questioning why the war is dragging on so long , like he's starting to get hip to the fact that there are some other things happening here .
You know , it's not just a regular war , something is going on , and he's starting to to really recognize that . He only touched on very briefly , but this is the second time in this arc that he mentioned it , so I thought that was interesting .
Um , we had a couple of zombie bug troopers that get pulled off into the walls , screaming so thoughts and prayers to them , and we get another . We get a named clone , uh , gearshift .
Uh , he gets , uh , he gets pulled away by a zombie , a zombie bug , and you know , his , his companion , was like gearshift , no , that's , they were like trying to pull his memory . They were trying to pull his helmet off and , sherry , you were wondering if they had put the the worm up his nose , but that he just took care of it .
They just straight killed him . So very interesting episode . Very different , because now we're seeing a bit more of Geonosian culture , yeah , especially with the Queen . So what are your thoughts on this one ? I thought it was a good episode , but there wasn't a lot of I don't know . I don't think there was a whole lot of growth one way or another .
Nothing major that stood out to me . What do you guys think ?
I think it was like suspenseful , yeah , that I thought it was a , very obviously with the zombies and and all that stuff . But , um , the queen was smart trying to get jedi . It's hard to get jedi , but she was smart if she would have got enough of those things inside of a jedi , in multiple jedis , huh .
Imagine if she would have got Anakin and Obi-Wan .
Oh , my God .
I mean . You know brainwashed , zombified Anakin and Obi-Wan . Can you imagine the damage they could have done ? Mm-hmm . Well , I mean , look what the Padawan did and she was Look what the Padawan did , look what Barriss did .
And that I . Again , it was her and ahsoka together and I like that episode . I I really this episode . I thought it was good they worked together they well , that's , this is the next one .
That's the next one when they're , when they're together , I know because , but it's , it's a story , it's all good , it's a story arc , it's all . It's all going together . So , no , I get it Anyway . So this one , we got to see the queen , the queen of the Geonosians , that crazy bitch .
I mean she's crazy . So I want to say .
the thing that stuck out in this episode the most to me and you guys make a point of there's not a whole lot of growth in this episode . You know what I mean ?
It's Obi-Wan's focus on trying to learn more and wanting to take one of these little bugs home really stuck out to me , as maybe shades of Qui-Gon and even Dooku's leadership , just that natural sense of curiosity . And of course , the play between him and Anakin is just like well , you have your fun , you do your studies .
I'll be here to wreck shit when it goes bad . That's a fun little dynamic , but it was interesting to see that side of Obi-Wan because Cause we don't we haven't seen it too often , at least in this show so far , right .
Right .
This is . This is a great sci-fi version of a classic horror movie . You know the two heroes go into a tunnel and you find creepy things and yeah , yeah , you can almost compare it .
It's like a little bit like aliens where there's , you know , like a queen monster at the end that you know you find out where the geonosians come from and all these eggs and stuff and and the dynamic . You know one guy wants to study it and it's fascinating .
The other one , just like you said , just wants to wreck stuff and get out of there alive that was so funny .
Obi-wan's like I wanted to keep what dude no study . The bottom of my shoe was so funny that was funny .
That was funny for mannequin when he was like , yeah , he studied the bottom of my boot . Okay , no , that was good , um , all right . So , yeah , good episode . What ? What's the midichlorian count ? What do you think of crash ?
um , I'm gonna go three only because it's such a departure from what we've seen so far .
You know , you went from the war storyline more into a horror monster storyline in a blink of an eye and you're like , wow , but it's a good storyline and it'll play well into the next episode right , it's a nice lead-in to the other one , to the next episode , so sure yeah , I'll give it a three , two , um , just because it it was a fun episode , maybe
dropped on halloween , I have no idea and they just wanted to throw in some something fun there .
I mean , I don't know , we'd have to look up the date , but it was november . This one , this one , dropped in november , yeah that was just funny to me , so it would have been a cool halloween episode though . Yeah , it's like we're now we're getting zombies . Are you kidding me right now ? Zombie geonosians no well , you know there was a star trek episode .
The same thing . What is it ? Yeah , so it was Next Gen , and it's the same concept of the bugs , the parasites , getting into the humans and controlling them to take over the Federation .
They're slowly infiltrating the Federation .
Yeah , that's actually one of my favorite episodes , so if you guys want to watch , it , it's free .
Oh , it's so good . And to go that dark on a season one .
It's so dark . I mean it's so dark and he blows up Anyway . Spoiler .
Maybe we should do a Star Trek podcast .
Oh my god , I would love it . Are you kidding me ? But yeah , that's one of the good next gen . It's so cheesy , the monsters are horribly done so bad , but yeah . So that's what this reminded me of .
All right , Tony midichlorian count .
I wanted to give this a 3.5 , but there's a couple of plot holes that it leaves going into the next episode , so I can't go give this a 3.5 , but there's a couple of plot holes that it leaves going into the next episode , so I can't go higher than a three .
You can't go higher than a three . All right , I think I'm right there with you guys . I'm going to do a 3.5 because I did like .
¶ Clones, Individuality, and Dark Themes
I did like the , the back and forth banter . I did really like the , the horror movie vibe of it , that's all I . I did really like the horror movie vibe of it . I like horror movies , so that was fun . And the aliens vibe it was really cool . It was an alien queen in Star Wars . That was awesome , all right .
So going to the next episode , episode eight , brain Invaders , this one was pretty cool too . We're seeing a lot of individuality with the clones . I think it was a Tango Squad . Is that the guys ? Tango Squad ? Maybe ? I don't know , I'll have to look that up .
But we had a lot of named clones in this one , which always kind of scares me , because I feel like every time they they give us a name , that means that someone's going to die , like that's , that's , and I think we only had a couple of deaths , but um , uh , it was still like they . These poor guys got messed up . So what was it Clone ? Trooper scythe ?
He was the first one . He got the , uh , the parasite in him . Um , um , who else was it . Oh , um , edge . Now , this was interesting . There's nothing to do with the story , but I was just wondering if so , edge , he had like a silver white hair and blue eyes . He had like light blue eyes . So they were the .
Him and Ox were the two clone troopers that walked into the mess hall when Barris and Ahsoka were in there and they attacked Barris and Ahsoka , attacked Barris and Ahsoka and , yeah , edge , I thought it was interesting that he had light blue eyes . I understand the hair color because they all dye their hair , they all cut their hair different .
I mean , obviously , rex , we see him with blonde hair , but everyone usually always has brown eyes , except for this guy , and I thought that was very interesting . I didn't , I do you think that's some sort of maybe like an anomaly , was it ?
Uh , you know like uh , I don't want to say like a defect , but I mean it's definitely , it's definitely like a genetic mutation maybe , but usually the Not the genotions , but the caminoans . Yeah , usually the caminoans are . They filter that stuff out . They're not going to give , they're not going to . Let you know that would be part of a bad batch right there .
So you know that that trooper would have been identified early on and probably wouldn't have made it really past infancy . So I find that I don't know and I couldn't find any explanation for it online .
You wonder if there's like an acceptable level of variancy in like cosmetic features like that , like the eye color , hair I don't know if it's dyed hair color or they just , you know , some , some kids grow up blonde , some kids grow up , you know , dark hair .
You know , maybe there's just an acceptable level that doesn't impact their soldiering ability , that the caminoans just kind of go .
Yeah , I'll be fine yeah , I don't know like I . I know , like later on I can't remember what season it's in , but but later on we get these clone troopers that they all have different accents . I don't know if you remember this . Again , I think we're pretty far away from this . I think it's around the time that we meet Clone Trooper 99 .
I think it's around that time that we meet um clone trooper 99 . I think it's around that time , like whenever we some somewhere along . But there was there .
All these clone troopers are hanging out in the barracks and there's like a group of like four of them , I think three or four of them , and they all have different accents , which I thought was very interesting . I so I I didn't know if that was , you know , like they were just trying on you know something for a little bit more individuality .
They were trying on new accents for themselves , or or d bradley just needed to like expand the repertoire a little bit .
You know , just yeah I guess he just needed a break or something . I just wanted to switch it up . I don't know , but , but this guy but edge , you know , clone trooper edge . I don't , I don't know . But this guy but Edge , you know , clone Trooper Edge . I don't understand the blue eyes .
It's not a big deal , I mean , you know it's pointless to probably even theorize about it .
I imagine that it just comes down to a hey , we wanted to be able to visually distinguish and , considering the clones , there's only so much that you can do , so they just decided to do this .
And there's only so much that you can do , so they just decided to do this , and there's a reasonable explanation of a genetic mutation , whatever , sure , I mean , I have no idea . You know , like I know , in our world you can just get colored contact lenses to throw in your eyes just to be a little different .
But yeah , I don't know if that's in the star wars world , so maybe it does , I don't know . Um , as far as the accents , I mean , I'm very , you know , I know a lot of people that I grew up with , that you know we all grew up in the same area . You know we all talk the same way .
But having spent enough time apart , you know you , you adapt some natural linguistic traits from the places where you've been sure . So I I'm not familiar with this episode that you're talking about , but yeah , we'll get to it if these people aren't part of the same troop . It might make sense that they've been separated .
They've been on different plans doing different things , and so they've adapted that and brought it back all right , but that's a good point .
That's a good point , that's a good point , all right . So the episode itself . What were your thoughts ? Um , you know , we see , uh , we see anakin . Once they've got poggle the lesser , we see anakin dipping a toe into the dark side , force , choking him .
But did you notice that they also played the imperial theme , like as he was walking towards the cell and he told the guards leave us .
They were playing the Imperial theme , they were playing Vader's theme that was a clear sign to the audience that this is going to be a hint of Vader . You're going to get a whiff of Daniken's dark side , much like when they were , you know , gang mind tricking , new gun right , there's a , there's a line .
Jedi don't cross unless they really really feel they have to . Anakin , just hopscotch , is over it . When he's in the mood , you don't care Again . They'll move mountains for his Padawan . Yeah , he'll . He'll choke a Geonosian to save his Padawan . He'll choke a .
Geonosian to save his Padawan I mean , this is very clearly the closest comparison we've gotten so far to his fear of loss will bring him to the dark side . Oh yeah , so that was a very nice cue for that . So I know I mentioned it in the previous episode . The previous episode for me left a couple of plot holes .
The big one for me is Obi-Wan made a whole point of I want to study these things . They killed the one that I wanted to study . Why on earth did they have an entire backpack full of them ? If they did , why was Obi-Wan care about the one that got killed ?
To me , that was , if it were me like and of course I have the benefit of hindsight and retrospect like you had enough clone troopers that died in the previous episode . You've shown that these things can reanimate the dead . Why not just have one of those ones that died be infected with one of these and sneak aboard to do it Like ?
To me , that would have been a much better justification for how this happened , as opposed to the way that they did it . Now it's fine , whatever , it's just a throwaway thing . But to me that was kind of a why did you make this whole big issue ?
But whatever , yeah Well , and also , like my thing was where did , where did scythe get all those , all those fucking eggs ? Like he was chilling , taking a nap , the you know he got , he got infected and I mean , as far as I know , everything else was like buried underground as the troopers were leaving .
They shot out those support posts and but he had a backpack full of eggs . He didn't have to have one or two . I mean , this motherfucker had like a backpack full of eggs . Like where did he get them ? When did he have time to to collect all of them ?
if you , if you had made it one of the dead troopers okay , he's had time because he's been assumed dead .
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Dead troopers okay , he's had time because he's been assumed dead , he sneaks away , does that ? Comes back . The only people that saw him die are now gone , so he can sneak aboard with it with the other ones or maybe take that like you know what that would have been .
That would have been cool too , like you know , if , um , you know you're , you know one of troopers is is presumed dead and they're brought aboard that medical frigate . You know , just put , you know put .
But but they would have put him in like some kind of a cold storage and that would have probably that would have killed , that would have killed the parasite .
So maybe that's why they didn't do it , cause , yeah , now that I think about it , since it was the cold that that killed him , if you would have taken that that dead trooper and put him in there , um , but still , I mean , I get it , I get , you know , like having having zombie scythe walking around , but uh , yeah , the whole backpack full of fucking eggs .
I don't come on , man , come on yeah just a little weird for me , uh .
but that being said , I really enjoyed the episode . I again , you know and I touched on this briefly when you might have been cut out I thought it was nice to see Ahsoka paired with Barriss again to just kind of show the difference . And yeah , they're both Padawans , but Ahsoka is far above and beyond where Barriss is .
Yes , yes , because she's definitely seen more action . But I like that they were able to , to just have a for a minute anyway , just a quiet , peaceful meal . You know two , two young people you know able to that can . They can relate to each other . You know what I mean .
I mean , you know , ahsoka hasn't been around anyone her age , you know , or even another female . So now here's another female padawan up , maybe the same age , I don't know how old barris was at the time , but , um , that must have been nice for ahsoka too .
You , you know , it's like , you know , like you go to your parents' house , or whatever , your aunt and uncle's house , your grandparents' house , for the holidays there's no other kids there and then somebody else brings a kid over and the first thing you do is you beeline towards that kid and say hey , you want to play and I feel like maybe this was something
that Ahsoka really needed play and I feel like maybe this was something that ahsoka really needed . you know , she needed that time to be , you know , a young woman interacting with another young woman , maybe , or at least another padawan , because she doesn't get to hang out with padawans either right .
Well , I mean , those are my primary thoughts . Um , again , I really enjoyed the episode . I thought that we see Anakin's potential to go nasty in order to take care of who he needs to take care of . Again , we get to see Ahsoka stepping up and showing how much more advanced she is than other people around her level .
In theory , I really enjoyed this episode for those reasons yeah , I think this episode really demonstrated again we're talking about hints of things that we know will happen in the future the , the , the zombified clones . There's a you know just the , the diner scene .
There's very hints of order 66 know these kids are having a quiet meal and all of a sudden these two clones come in and just start shooting up the place . And it speaks to the adaptability of Ahsoka's training with Anakin that she was able to evade the clones , who know them better than anybody else does .
Whereas Barriss kind of walked right , I thought you know , we talk about how the season isn't afraid to go into dark places . I thought the way they did . I called the silent scream where , like , the ray shields go up as the clones are impregnating the creature into .
I was like , well , that's just haunting , because you know she's like screaming her head off in terror , but you can't hear it yeah , like she started to , and then it's just those ratios went up and then knocked it out yeah so and they did , I , I did like that .
They showed restraint , um , you know barris and ahsoka , you know barris did , she did take out trap , um , but I mean he was , he was on her , so I , I , I kind of get it , I mean , but then she immediately killed you know the , uh , the parasite .
But actually the parasite came out of him after she , uh , she sabered him , yeah , but uh , yeah , but I did but , but you know , for the most part they did show quite a bit of restraint and not not killing the clones , which I liked , and uh , unfortunately we're going to be seeing more of that as we approach season seven and the inevitable start of Order 66 ,
unfortunately . Yeah , alright , so Crash , what's the midichlorian count on this ?
I'd give it a four . The last movie was sort of the classic horror movie . This was a straight up slasher thriller like kind of thing . Especially it's weird seeing your friends turn on you . Yeah , it that suddenly and and just and knowing your tactics and knowing your , your tendencies , you don't know who to trust , let alone your , except yourself .
And I think that really played well in the set very true .
And and there were , there were more alien vibes in this . You know , trapped on a ship with , you know , alien creatures that want to eat your face , you know , or murder you or whatever . But that was , yes , I , I like that , that was . That was very cool , tony I'm giving this five midichlorians .
And the biggest reason why when Ahsoka temporarily incapacitates Barriss , she's laying on the ground and gets control of herself for just long enough to say kill me , Kill me . Yeah , Holy shit , this is supposed to be a kid's show . You went there , yeah , Fuck .
Yeah , I mean that was I'm sorry , go ahead .
And even in the aftermath Ahsoka in the med bay you could tell that kind of haunted her that a friend asked her to kill her . It's like that's a big ask .
Yeah , for a 14-year-old , yeah , and I like the way that they filmed it , because from the angle that we see Ahsoka slicing with her lightsaber , you kind of have a feeling because the parasite was hanging out of Barriss' mouth . So I mean , you , you kind of have a feeling , I mean because the the parasite was hanging out of barris's mouth .
So I mean you kind of have a feeling that that's what she did . But they shot it from that angle on purpose , obviously . So you really , and then cut to the next scene . So you really don't know , did , did ahsoka just take barris out , or I mean to put her out of her misery ? But you know , so I , I like that . They went in that direction with it .
Obviously , we know what happened , you know . Yeah , but that was a nice touch . That was a nice touch . I really liked that . So I'm I'm also giving it a five . I thought it was a really cool episode . We got to see multiple layers from everyone in this episode . We got to see multiple layers , different facets from the clones , from the Padawans , from Anakin .
So there was a lot of reveals in this in terms of people's personalities and , again , clone individuality and things like that . So it's a very well done episode . I really enjoyed it . It was a good arc , I think , overall very , very good arc . It was very good art so , and it's just going to get better from here on out .
That's why I'm excited about this , because from here on out , out like it , just get the clone wars just get better . I mean , there's yes , there's gonna be some filler episodes here and there , but for the most part , this is we're in for such a fun ride . We're in for such a fun ride . I'm so looking forward to it .
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