¶ The Clone Wars
Coming up this week death , loss and conflict . It's another fun family adventure on the Clone Wars , season 3 , episode 17 through 19 . This week on your Star Wars safe space . It's so depressing , but stick around , it'll be fun , of course , right , yay , yay . We're all so sad .
Oh man , these were depressing episodes they were hard , they were rough , they were good though they were good , they were excellent , but this was a rough watch , wow , all right . So , uh , howdy star warriors , welcome to star wars . Safe space , your non-toxic , low sodium Star Wars show .
That doesn't make you feel bad for knowing that in Star Wars , a new hope , the evil and grumpy Grand Moff Tarkin wore slippers on the Death Star so his feet could be more comfy , because the boots that that the actor Peter Cushing wore were far too tight and uncomfortable for his size 12 dogs , that's right Damn .
So he wore slip little slippers , which little slips I'd like to think that they were fuzzy bunny slippers that would be .
That'd be hilarious , right ? I envision , like the um , like the mickey mouse feet , you know yeah big yellow . Yeah , she'd have this dark gray , german gray colored suit in this dreary death star bridge and and tarkin is just ass yellow and tarkis is just sour , tarkin is sour and then these bright yellow mickey mouse feet love it .
So , uh , yeah . So , whether you're a hardcore fan or just a little swarzy , curious , this is your star wars safe space . We are the circle of nerds and we do absolutely love star wars , even if we don't always like it . So shall we meet the crew this fine , fine day ? To my left , your right star of stage and screen , it is the sensational sherry .
I learned where the buttons are finally .
Yay .
After six episodes . After all this and hailing from parts unknown , it is T to the Ooni Welcome back to the galaxy everybody . And we're hanging out here in the Outer Rim , territory of Vostoween , with the fabulous Daddy Louie Hello children . Territory of bostween with the fabulous daddy louis hello children yay and I am tommy d .
You're a more than slightly obnoxious star . Wars know it all , and we are here to watch all of the canon tv shows and films in mostly chronological order . These last several episodes have actually been in chronological order , yes , so thank you . Thanks , dave . Dave got our letters that we were sending him to Don't say that too soon .
I know , I know , I know , I know we still got a lot of Star Wars to go . We got a lot of Clone Wars left ahead of us . So that is our goal to watch all of this breaking them down , connecting the dots and maybe learning a little bit more about Star Wars and ourselves .
And Louie has already been able to connect some dots because you've seen some other shows . You watched Ahsoka and so now you're seeing some things .
Yeah , like things are coming to light especially with Mortis , all of that .
Yeah , so we'll , we'll segue into that now . Uh , so yeah , we're gonna be . So word of whirling , whirling , word of whirling . There will be spoilers , so please be aware of that . So if you haven't watched these episodes , maybe go watch them now and then come back and then watch this or not , or just hang out , or hang out .
So , but before we do all of that , it's time for the news skirt yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah , um .
So by the time this episode comes out , um , you'll have already seen this , um , but fun fact , I guess going forward , uh , so skeleton crew , yeah , which again has already come out , yes , um , but what people might not know .
And we're loving it , by the way . Yes , we've it's so really , it's so good .
We absolutely love it um , so they're bringing in right here , this , that's our camera right . They're bringing this creature into canon . So this creature is a Legends creature coming into canon , first appearing in the Ewoks movie .
And what's the name of this creature , the name of this creature is a teak T-E-K .
A teak .
A teat A teak Teak , not a .
Tit A teak , not a teat a teak , teak , teak , not a tit hey , okay , hey not a teat ?
okay , no a teak , not a teat , got it . Um , so this creature first appeared in uh ewoks battle for endor and uh , now it has been re-canonized in the skeleton crew nice and uh , it was actually inadvertently , or maybe advertently , uh teased at uh this year's d3 d23 , which is the big the big disney convention and there was a stuffed one of these for sale .
Oh , people were like oh you know ? um , and another fun fact he is only there , or the this creature is only a hand puppet , so nothing beyond , and it will be a puppet in the in the show or is in the show .
Yes , so good we've already experienced a teat , and it's been . They've been so cool Right .
And super cute . And super cute . You probably don't know . Yeah , it's a . It is a once canon , now re-canonized creature . That is a simple hand puppet . Cool , I love it .
I love it . I love when they do stuff like that . I like when they take stuff from older sources and Bring it back , canonized them . Yes , it's awesome . Um , so let's get through this , uh , emotionally painful block of episodes . So we're wrapping up with the ghost of mortis . Um , and it was , uh , it was a heart wrencher . This one was a heart wrencher .
This one was a heart wrencher . Oh , quickly , though . So the Sith Lords Darth Revan and Darth Bane were supposed to be in this episode as counsel and guides to the sun . Um , but they ended up getting cut .
I wonder why .
Um , say they were cut in late production , so that didn't . It didn't really say exactly why . I'm sure maybe had something to do with character models or time or budget or just the story itself , okay , um , so I don't think we talked about we've talked about darth bane . I don't know if you're familiar with darth revan .
This is like , but it's way past , like we're not past the the Darth Bane thing , because Mark Hamill voiced him .
Right , so we will be seeing Darth Bane again .
So not .
Not yet , not until season six Bit of a spoiler , so yeah , so this was the final episode of this particular arc . The Ghost of Mortis and Annie went through some shit in this story art . So so , tony sherry , please share some of your thoughts on this , because we we saw anakin go through some things .
tony , kick us off so I mean first off , I mean in this episode . I did find a unique contradiction In the previous episode of the same arc . Anakin's all about I need to go after the son . You know , screw the father , we'll deal with that . And Obi-Wan's like no , you know , we should go talk to the father , we need help .
And in this episode it's the exact opposite . In this episode , anakin's like , no , I need to go see the father right now . And oh , I was like screw that , let's just get the hell out of here . Um . But then I mean , oh , there's just so much .
Um , I mean , the thing for me is , you know , we , we get to see this vision of Anakin's future , and obviously we all know what that entails . Sure , but first off , just see it play out like this and see how seeing that affects him is huge .
But then , later , you're talking to the father and father's like you know , this isn't set in stone , but it's the is it like you're giving him ?
this , this , granted , he doesn't remember it now right , but like you've given him all this guy to keep him on quote-unquote the correct path , but yet that seems like that path is ultimately the path that we know he's going to take , and that's just because look how quickly he joined the sun .
To prevent further violence , which is exactly what we see him do to try to save Padme , yeah , so he saw himself choosing wrong through this vision and the destruction that choosing wrong would cause .
And he still chose to choose wrong to to try and fix the wrong right . You know , he sided with the son rather than taking a step , because , think about it , if he had taken a step back , he , maybe he could have combated that vision a little bit . And the father ?
Maybe the father would have been like well , maybe you need to keep this memory so that you're reminded of what you will do , and it prevents you from doing that . But instead he just immediately went over to the dark side like that was the solution , right , like he didn't even think about it .
He , that was the solution and he just did it like that in order to prevent me from becoming that guy .
I have to become that guy , but he doesn't think of it on that level .
He's like I mean , he makes such snap decisions , he didn't give it twice a thought and he put himself in the predicament that he didn't want to be because he can only think in absolutes .
Unfortunately , sherry well , I think this just shows that the force is fluid and it's ever changing . It needs to be fluid , for sure . So , well , no like . And you know , when you first started it's like , oh my god , he's the balance of all the whole galaxy because of this episode .
Uh , you know the previous episodes , but then , when you get to this episode , I mean , the father , straight up , was like well , no , I mean , you're gonna do it multiple times . Yeah , holy shit . So is it like a time thing or whatever , I don't know .
But so I I found it like , obviously he's gonna turn dorf vader , we , we all know this this is not this is not a secret , but I think this helped mostly Ahsoka . Yeah , because that's already set in stone for him . But for her , I'm thinking some things are going to start changing in her mind to get where she needs to go later on .
Yeah , as we see , and yeah , that's a really good point you said that the father said you know you're gonna , you know , balance the force multiple times . Right , you know . So you're balancing the force today and you're gonna have the opportunity to balance the force again .
You know , as we and he does , you know but , and then they were gone for only a few seconds for everybody else . So was this real or was it a force vision for all of them ?
so while we were , while we were kind of in between episodes , you and tony were talking about an episode of star trek where there was a planet that essentially so you know people wouldn't forget them . They sent a vision to someone and basically they lived their entire life with these people in a matter of minutes .
In their last years .
Yeah , the last years on this planet , so that no one would ever forget . No , and it was what was it like ?
It was like freaking like 25 years , it was a lifetime , yeah , it was , or something .
Yeah , because Picard met this woman , had a relationship , had two children , yeah they had children . He grew old and he died , you know , and In a matter of I don't know 60 seconds , something like that . It was very quick , very quick , and they I remember they ended up putting a beacon around the planet to warn other travelers .
No , no , no , no , no , yeah , they put , no , no , no , no , no , yeah , they put
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No , it wasn't a planet , it was a . It was a . There was like an obelisk type of thing .
It was an obelisk , but no , the obelisk is dead . That's it . That was a different story . I know what you're talking about . Oh okay , no , no , no , no , this one was the obelisk . Yeah , this was , and it stopped functioning after Picard got the story .
Got the message . Got the message , okay .
The flute was in the obelisk that he learned to play in . Yeah , so this could have been kind of , isn't that crazy ?
that he learned to play the flute , as this person in this vision . Well , it shows you your brain . And then he .
It's like the Matrix .
It doesn't matter he downloaded .
He's like matrix , it doesn't matter downloaded like you know he's like I know kung fu . Yeah , I know how I can play the flute . Show me yeah , yeah .
So was this ? Yeah , was this all like physical manifestation that was just kind of like taken out of time and out of space as we know it ?
Or or was it a vision , a very realistic vision or simulation that was given to the three of them by the force , like a shared , almost like a shared delusion between the three of them , or shared illusion between the three ? Of them Illusion yeah , so was it physical or was it all just in their minds ? What do you guys think ?
I think it was in their minds . What do you guys think I ?
think it was in their minds there . That's the button .
No , I personally think it was like a In their minds , a mind Because they were just like they were literally right there Blamble back on their ship .
Yes , and there was no one there that could have put them back on their ship .
It was either that or in a different sorry , in a different dimension .
It's like a different , a different reality , but the force works in mysterious ways . So what do you guys think ?
Physical , mental , maybe a little bit of both . Okay , like well , I mean , I guess , if it's physical then , but it could have been very .
I mean , like again , if we go back to the matrix , you know , they say , you know the body cannot live without the mind . So if you die in the matrix you die in real life .
So right , yeah I mean , I think that it again . I've seen future things so I have a pretty good idea that it . Maybe it was real , um , but I could also see how you could think that maybe it wasn't .
I mean , it is a little strange that they just like there was the white light and then all of a sudden they were back on their ship , like they were coming out of a coma or a vision or something like that .
It's like they passed out .
Yeah , and they were right there in front of that Jedi cruiser , like they never moved Right . And Rex said oh , we lost you for a moment .
Yeah , but what happened in that moment ?
You know , for Rex and them , nothing but for our heroes .
obviously , it was clearly something , because they were awake one minute and now all of a sudden they were waking up .
So Right , and they were gone , like in in this reality . They were a few days , yeah , you know , at least , if not longer . I mean , who knows ? So I don't know , but I do think it's interesting because we , we still really have no clearer understanding of the force or how it works .
After all of this , you know , it's just , it just creates more questions for me anyway , because I , you know , there were supposedly physical representations of the light side and the dark side , but neither one of them were purely light or purely dark , because even the sun they said the sun there was still .
He gave in to the dark side , so he wasn't the dark side .
Well , he was controlling .
Maybe he controlled the flow of the dark side or maybe there were like plugs , maybe they were the stoppers in the force . So without him , the dark side can flow freely . Well , again without her , the , the , the light side can flow freely and upset the balance .
But , like the father said , you're going to go and do you're going to balance again . So he balanced them . So this was a destined .
So he fulfilled the prophecy as the chosen one for this particular moment in time , and he's going to do it again , and he's going to do it again for the universe , for the galaxy , for the galaxy Right . So , and what is that balance ? Is that him ultimately destroying palpatine ? Is that him bringing life ? You know , through the children , you know ?
Is , you know , bringing the , the skywalker kids , or is , or or the ?
balance that was unforeseen , because that wasn't in his vision no , the twins were not . The twins were not in his vision . She was for the chokeout yeah , padme was there . That's what I'm saying right , she wasn't pregnant right there , so the kids were , she wasn't pregnant .
I don't think she was not .
She didn't show her with a baby bump did
it no , I don't I don't notice I did okay .
Okay , because I was like wait a minute .
No , she wasn't seen with a baby , so , for whatever reason , the twins are hidden from the force , correct ? So maybe they weren't supposed to exist ?
no , I don't think they were . It was an unforeseen . Yeah , like yoda says , it's clouded yeah , and you ?
can't even it .
And the father said that as well he did .
He said your future is clouded . And the biggest thing that really hit me for this episode was what the father said , and it's what we've been saying this whole time too . But he told Anakin with his last breath beware your heart .
Oh , my God .
I mean that's . I mean that's . It says it all I mean , because he is Anakin . Skywalker is ruled by his heart . He's ruled by fear of loss .
You know , we learn .
I mean cause , like you said , louis . I mean he was so quick to to make that choice to sacrifice himself and his goodness so quick . Sacrifice himself and his goodness so quick , like he didn't even think about it , because he's so afraid to lose . And he does it again and he does it again .
Yeah , he does it again , but he forgot as well , if he would have maybe remember let him remember , yeah maybe he wouldn't have done that again , right ?
and he not given in so easily . To show that , like he clearly showed the father in that .
To show that , like he clearly showed the father in that , in that act of being not hesitant to join his son , that , yeah , you don't need these , these thoughts , like you don't need to know , that you know and cleared his mind but maybe he would have taken a step back . Yeah , Resisted , showed the father .
You know , hey , I , I want to not be that evil person .
Maybe it'd have been like yeah , keep your memories . It's like he was so incredibly selfless , like that's the thing . Anakin is incredibly selfless , he didn't think twice about it at the same time he is , yeah , because he's he's protecting his heart , because he's he's so afraid to lose the people that he loves part of life .
Loss is a part of life and he doesn't have that balance in him . Correct , he doesn't .
He's never embraced the living force or the concept of the living force .
No .
He's never been able to do that Not until the end . And had Qui-Gon been around , obviously we wouldn't even be having this discussion , because Qui-Gon would have fought . I did like that to lie . I mean seeing the two of them interact , yeah hell for all .
We know qui-gon set this up maybe in the living force , because he is part of the living force . So we know that .
So it's true maybe it's something he set up but I do find it interesting that qui-gon is able to do this . And we do learn that from Revenge of the Sith , you know , when we , when Yoda tells Obi-Wan , you know there's more . I have to teach you about the Force . That I learned from an old friend you know . So that's , and that was another thing .
Like we don't see anyone else like go Force ghosty , that you know . Like , like even Qui-Gon . Qui-gon's body didn't disappear into the force , but Yoda's does , obi-wan's does , you know , and the father's does . So did Qui-Gon learn that ability in death from the father ? And then he taught Yoda , and well , he taught Yoda .
Yoda taught Obi-Wan how to ascend into the force Instead of just dying . Yeah , because have we seen that sense ? Have we seen any other Jedi become one with the force in that way ? No , in live action . No , just those two , right ? I think so . Well , three with the five , you got the father .
Well , yeah , okay .
Yeah . So A , two , right , I think , so well , three , with the five , you count the father , well , yeah , okay , yeah .
So a lot to think about , a lot to think about , and that's what I , that's what I like about this , because now we're seeing , you know , we , we know that anakin becomes darth vader and we know that there's , you know , that's like one of the biggest spoiler alert , oh yeah , spoiler alert , um , but so what we know of that , you know , and then there's the
redemption piece that goes along with it as well . But I think it's very very interesting .
He didn't see that either . No , the redemption wasn't shown . He didn't see his redemption either .
So what if he would have seen the redemption ? You know ?
would he have ?
made different choices .
Who knows ?
But , yeah .
So my thought on that particular thing is the fact that he didn't see the children , nor did he see the redemption arc . So my thought on that is um and they ?
They bring it up in one of the marvel films I think it was dr strange where you can't see the future past your lifetime , like once you're gone you can't see past that time frame and while technically Anakin does live .
they make a point multiple times throughout Star Wars saying Anakin Skywalker and Darth Vader are two different people , Even though they're the same body . They're two different things .
So the fact that Anakin dies at that point before he ever meets the children and obviously well before his redemption , that would make sense that he didn't see that right , but he did see the destruction of the death star or the destruction of alderaan , because he saw the yeah , he saw the death star shoot the lasers , so he had to have seen some .
I mean , he did see past when he became Vader in that vision .
Yeah , that's a good point , but there's certain things that he's not seeing , which I feel like is the light side stuff .
He's not seeing the good stuff , he's only seeing the bad stuff in that vision .
He did just see the bad . Now that you say it , he didn't see his kids , which is a good thing he didn't see his redemption .
Yeah , now that you say that it's possible , that's manipulation . Of course the son , but you know what .
The son may only be able to see that . And had the daughter lived , maybe she could have shown him the good Right . You know , this is kind of like you know , kind of like you know Christmas Carol , you know the ghosts , oh yeah . You know Christmas past , present and future . So maybe she was able to show him a future that could be .
You know , the son showed the future that we know for him , but the daughter could have shown him something completely different . Now she can't . Now she can't because she's gone .
She did .
Unfortunately she did All right , so let's get off that depressing .
Yeah , let's go to the next .
But it is a lot of very interesting things to ponder . I think I really like this and I like when they go deep like this . We didn't see a lot of clones during these Clone Wars episodes , but we're about to make up for that .
We're about to make up for that , About to make up for that , as we head to the Citadel , for the Citadel and Counter-Attack , episodes 18 and 19 . First of all , we do have to . We're going to bundle these two together , but we have to , of course , pay our respects , thoughts and prayers . We lost some good people For real and they went out harsh .
Some of them we don't even know their name , so we know charger and long shot rip to those boys . And then in counter-attack we lost . We don't know his name . Is he got ?
he got chopped in here so we're calling him half track half track .
Half track okay and then the other , the other unknown trooper . They got shot in the head on the bridge there by that doucher , that Christopher Walken wannabe douchebag . So we're going to call him Headshot .
And Echo , I know so sad and they just show his helmet .
It was just blasted hot and smoldering . I mean he echo sorry echo and you know thoughts and prayers , because we literally , literally , have known them since they were shinies . Yes , we've known them since they were recruits .
And this is , this is , in my opinion , why the Clone Wars is peak Star Wars because we're we're getting like we've had all these blanks , like you know , for people that have followed Star Wars for years and years since the original trilogy . We've had all these questions , we've all had all these gaps in our knowledge .
You know of what happened , you know we , we know we . You know Obi-Wan talked about the Clone Wars , right , you know . You know you know Princess Leia , you know you were . You know you served . You know Obi-Wan talked about the Clone Wars , right , you know Princess Leia . You know you served .
You know General Kenobi , you served my father during the Clone Wars . You know we've heard about the . You know Luke , so you were in the Clone Wars . You know it's like we hear about this and now we're seeing this . You know , we see , you know . So I really love this TV show because of that , because we're seeing these stories , you know , we're seeing .
We saw Obi Wan , as you know , kind of like the cute old hermit wizard living , you know , in his little little house out in the desert , minding his own business , but not minding his own business . Keeping an eye on Luke , not minding his own business , keeping an eye on Luke .
You know , and we talked about it when we were watching , you know , you see , world War II veterans . You know , they're just these cute little old men . You know , some of them are still kicking ass , jumping out of airplanes still . Yeah , 92 . 92
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. Well , no , the one guy was 98 . 98 .
98 years old .
He was a paratrooper in .
World War II and for his 98th birthday he had his ass jumping out of an airplane . They took him out to jump . That's cool , that's hardcore .
I mean he had , you know , he had a tandem it was a tandem because they wouldn't let him jump alone , but still but .
I bet you he could have jumped alone . He probably . He was probably pissed as hell I wouldn't have done it .
You know what I mean .
He would have but he way to go out he jumped 98 .
Yeah , yeah , I'd be .
I'd be like oh , I had a hard , I mean . So this dude jumped jumped into combat zones .
This guy did you know , and he's so , and I , I was thinking about this as we see obi-wan like rappelling down the side of this cliff , you know , it's like , how are we going to get there ? Well , I guess we're going to have to rappel down . Yeah , seeing , and he just all right , here we go and you know no , but there's .
All of them were just excellent . Yeah , it was so fun to watch them . Just telling and doing it and then fricking Ahsoka park , flipping around everywhere everywhere .
But it's , it's really cool to see with with Obi Wan , especially because we only knew him as an old man , like when we first encounter Obi-Wan . He is an old guy .
And then now , seeing him on all of these adventures , you know , seeing the kind of person that he was and the kind of person that he becomes , even after the Clone Wars , during that time span where he's looking over Luke , yep , you know , it's just , it's really cool and it's really I think . I think it's what makes the Clone Wars series more endearing .
Yeah , you know , because we do get these deep connections to these characters . I mean , a couple of clones who cares , they're a couple of clones . But when you see that with Echo , that hurts your heart .
Well , yeah , obviously knew what he was doing when he gave the clones a face and a name and personalities , because , going into this , we know who's got plot armor . So , to keep the show interesting , you know that these characters , certain characters , no matter what threat you throw at them , they're going to survive , sure .
So they needed to give us new characters that they could not have that plot and we fall in love with them . And these characters happen to be clones , but he does such a good job . They do such a good job giving them all such unique personalities .
You fall in love with them as individuals rather than as a group of people I actually forget you feel they're lost right that they're clones , sometimes until their helmets are off , right ?
You know , when they rescued them , they're all sitting there without their , and I was like oh shit , yeah , they all look alike .
I mean you know , there's little differences , right ? But yeah , yeah .
Yeah , and I like how they change their own voices changes there ?
yeah , there's .
You know a lot of them do that , yeah , to kind of . They want to be individuals . They want to be unique baker man .
Yeah , so good . And yeah , do you . Bradley , mr baker , that guy , he is literally voiced a cast of thousands and then we get to see tarkin for the first time . Right , tarkin and the first time that we've seen him . Yeah , okay , so Tarkin and Anakin together Very strange Getting a little snooty with each other .
Yeah Well , the captain was being kind of shitty to the general .
Hello . But when the general , when Skywalker fired back Tarkin , he was like he smiled . So now , he's like , okay , he's not just a little snot-nosed Jedi , okay , he's like , okay , he's not just a little snot nose jedi , okay , he's got some , uh , some some space balls .
So okay , he had that little smirk on his face like all right , he's like , so will health , will huff . He , uh , he was like , yeah , I like this guy , I can work with this guy , so it's , it's interesting when we do see them again years later . You know that , uh , he actually , he actually holds sway over vader .
Yeah , you know , in that , in that moment , you know , and it's . I've never really understood that , but again , it's like you know , now we're backtracking , so it's like you know but in that moment , you know , you know when vader's choking out dude , you know , know Tarkin's like .
Vader release him . Does Tarkin know that Vader is Anakin ? I'm almost 100% positive .
I'm like 99% positive , I would think so . It's like the galaxy's like worst kept secret . You know , I'm sure , and Grand Moff Tarkin was up there , he was a big dog .
That's true , he was .
Palpatineine , I'm sure would have let him know . Yeah , you know , but I do wonder , I've I've always wondered that what was the power dynamic there , what was the chain of command there ? Because he said , vader , release him . And he was like , as you wish , you know .
But maybe they became but prior to that , like I mean , and after that , vader is just known for choking out officers .
Well , maybe that's the problem .
So Tarkin was like okay . Tarkin's gone .
No one's there to hold him back . Who else does he choke after ? Nobody Between the time that Captain Nita Captain Nita , dies Admiral Ozzel , admiral Ozzel .
Admiral Ozzel was the first .
I think that's all in ESB , right ?
That's all in Right . So only one person gets choked out in A New Hope , and that was in the boardroom .
Yeah , yeah , but he didn't die . Though he didn't die , he didn't kill him Because Tarkin was there , right ?
Right , but then Tarkin dies at the end of the New Hope . Yeah , and Admiral .
Ozzel delivering one of my favorite lines Ah Lord Vader , we have just come out of hypersize .
And what about R2 ?
R2 and his boys . Commander R2 . Commander R2 and his boys . And they were running shit With his own commander , commander R2 . Commander R2 . That was super cute . And his boys . That was super cute and they were running shit . Disgust , they were running shit . So how about when they were faking to have captured him and he was hitting R2 on the head with his ?
And then when they got in the ?
elevator R2 was like hey we didn't agree to that . Yeah , that wasn't the plan .
I was just trying to make it real . I'm sorry . I'm trying to make it real . That was funny , that's funny r2's a boss .
I hope those . I don't know what they're gonna do with those , but one of them .
One of them didn't make it .
No , I know yeah but they really need to keep them around . I don't know if we ever see them anymore . Probably not , probably not but , they serve their purpose .
But it's just I that was like the one light-hearted moment in the whole little two-part episode .
But this was a genius , a genius move to get into that place . Yeah , absolutely . You know , in carbonite and now carbonite , we can hopefully get little models . I would love of all of them .
So any , anyone that's on that the you know any ? Any Etsy makers that are listening to the show or watching the show ? I want a captain Rex and carbonite because that's , and maybe even an Ahsoka and carbonite . That would be cool . Yeah , I like when they came out and he was like .
He was like hello snips , was she in somebody else's carbonite ? No , she got into her own she had her own .
She just waited until the other ones were in theirs , and then she was like , yeah , yeah , she probably jumped in .
And said hey do it .
Yeah , like , oh , I'm supposed to be with them and that Ugnaught's going to be like okay . Yeah , yeah , he don't care he don't care , that's so funny , but that moment was he's like oh hey , Snips . He's like hello master , and he's like wait a minute .
And then Obi-Wan's like are my eyes deceiving me from the thing ? Yeah . He's like do I have that ? Looks like Ahsoka . He's like there's nothing wrong with your eyes , but apparently there's something wrong with her ears .
And Obi-Wan's like well , welcome to the party . He doesn't care .
He's like okay , whatever he does , but I think he knows that she can handle it . She can and she did , and it was actually good she went .
Yeah , because they needed her . They would have had to scrub the mission , the whole mission would have been done , yeah , so . But again , anakin's fear of loss . Okay , but I know , yeah , and we'll see that play later on . But you know she was like I . I should be able to choose .
You know when and where my life is placed in danger you know that shouldn't be up to him .
This is where it starts .
Right so as she's .
I don't think it's a separation necessarily .
I think it's a separation necessarily .
I think it's . You know what I mean . They start growing in different directions . Yes , and I think that she's again , she's . She seems way more emotionally mature than him . You know a lot . She doesn't necessarily have that same level of fear that he does .
¶ Exploring Ahsoka and Season Three
Well , she was taken younger yeah , I don't know how old she was when she I don't know but she was taken a lot younger lore master . Do we know that ? Do we know how old ahsoka was , um , when she uh came to be with the jedi ?
I know she was an infant when we see her for the first time riding that big ass saber tooth cat , so that was pretty cool , but I don't know . I think she was like 12 . I think like 12 or 14 ish when we see her for the first time 12 , I think I think it's 12 . Yeah , yeah , because she's 16 by the end of the war .
If I'm not mistaken , she's like 16 , 17 by the end of the war . But I , if I'm not mistaken , she's like 16 , 17 by the end of the war . Um , but I don't know .
I'm curious to see how old she was , um , and yeah , I just I think that these episodes , like the deeper we get into season three , um , it's just like the deeper we get like into the lore , like I don't like , like we've got three more episodes left to watch in this season , I'm assuming the next one is the close to a three-part arc , which , for the citadel
right , yeah , so then there's only two after that so I imagine it's a two-parter I I'm . I'm hoping for something with jar jar banks . No , I I am . I need to laugh at this point , brother , I need to laugh , I just I know , but we need to go out with a bang .
We can't go out with the jar , jar banks we've got to go out with a jar jar bank , so I'm I'm voting . I don't know what's coming up next .
Seriously , yeah , tony , if I see , when we turn this off , you know how it gives a little icon . If there's a , if I see jar jar on any of those icons , I'm just gonna going to go upstairs . Come on man . No , come on , you can't . I don't need a Jar Jar episode .
We do need a Jar Jar . What about a droid episode no ?
Not a Jar Jar .
No See , sorry , I just came back , you didn't even hear the whole conversation no Jar Jar anymore .
I said , we just need something light . Seven to eight really heavy episodes I think they're gonna get heavy .
Can we get so cool ? Was born 36 bby , okay , and this takes place 20 bby , which would make her 14 right now , she's 14 right now , so but when did she get to the jet ? When did the jedi get a hold of her ? If we know , I don't know if we know that .
So this actually suggests and this is Wikipedia this is basically saying that she died 20 BBY on Mortis but then was resurrected .
Which is what we just saw .
So she would have been 16 at that time .
So she died at 16 and then was resurrected at 16 .
Yep , yep .
Okay , but nothing on how old she was when she came to the Jedi . Nothing about that . Not seeing it yet .
They might not be in the story . You just know that , yeah .
Because they take them young anyway . I'm assuming , after the incident with that lion thing or whatever , that she tamed .
That was probably pretty soon after that .
I'm going to say they took her , yeah yeah , shortly thereafter . Yeah , because I mean the temple is her home . I mean she does know the temple inside and out .
We really don't know much about her life prior to prior to her hanging out with anakin . What you got uh .
So soka was discovered on her home world by jedi master plo coon , that's why that's oh little so close got it little soka .
is that from the ? Does it say what the source is for that ? Is it a book , is it part of the series or anything it doesn't specify ? Okay .
So there's .
Well , it comes from somewhere . Look at where it says that she was discovered . Is there a little number in parentheses next to it ? No , I mean because there's sources for all that . I mean they're not just going to put in some random shit in Wikipedia , so I'm sure that there's . Well , that information came from some cited source that Plo Kling got .
I'm sure it did . It's just not giving it to me . That's fine .
We'll look into it more . We'll do a little deep dive on that . So , man , I think that's it for this week . Man , I think that's it for this for this week . So a short episode for us because we only watched three episodes .
Yeah .
We're going to watch three more episodes next week , so the last three episodes the last three episodes of season three and then we're on to season four . After that , oh , man , man , it's going to get deep . It's going to get deep Like we're already deep in it . We're already deep in the pudding .
Yeah , we're already about elbow Right . I don't know , can we go all the way to the shoulder ? We're going to keep going .
So , now that we've come this far with season three , before we wrap for this episode , now that we've come this far , would we still say that it's worth watching seasons one and two ? Yeah , that it's worth watching seasons one and two or just start with seasons three ? Are we still saying that ? Because season one ?
Yeah , because you would miss all kinds of shit . You have to watch all of it because it goes all over the place You're right , it does go . I'm wondering if he does it on purpose to make sure you watch it all .
No , I think there's just some ADHD going on , and he was like hey , I think we should write this .
But going on and he was like hey , I think we should write this .
But you know what contradicts that ? I will do a backstory next season . It's fine , we can do it . So keep watching , watch , watch , watch , watch , all of it . And , if for no other reason , you get connected to the characters and you appreciate the characters and you feel it more when they're no longer with us .
I will say that , as someone who has tried to watch the series multiple , multiple times and just not been gripped in , or a big fan , and even through our watching of the first two seasons , there was episodes that I enjoyed but nothing was still gripping me . Yeah , um , this this season . So I would say , if you're out there and you're , you know listening .
Well , I guess , if you're listening this far , you've probably already made up your mind that you're , you know , listening . Well , I guess , if you're listening this far , you've probably already made up your mind that you're going to watch .
But I , going forward , I will recommend to people that it's rough at times , but you got to make it through those first two seasons because it gets good . Don't give up after the first two seasons . That's what I'll say . All right , cause I've done that multiple times and I'm I times and I'm in now , I'm invested .
I'm invested , Tony . What about you ?
Oh , I mean absolutely . I definitely think that it is important to watch at least parts of the first and second season . I mean , there's definitely an episode here and there that you can skip , but it doesn't really hurt anything . But if you've made it this far , you can't skip anything now .
Now you are in . Yeah , you're in it . Yeah , you're in it . Now You're invested .
Yeah . I think the skipping is probably done at this point . Yeah , I know .
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