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All right Coming up this week bad guys helping good guys , bad guys fighting bad guys , bounty hunters , sith Night sisters you know what's coming next Dogs and cats living together , Mass hysteria . All of that and more . This was one hell of a season finale , and we have some bonus . Tales of the Empire All that and more this week . It's a a lot .
We've got a lot to unpack . Boys , all right , let's run it all right . Hey there , star warriors . Welcome to star wars safe space . You're not toxic , low sodium star wars show . That doesn't make you feel bad for not knowing that sam went All right . Hey there , star Warriors . Welcome to Star Wars . Safe Space . Your non-toxic , low-sodium Star Wars show .
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I don't think George Lucas himself knows more about Star Wars than Sam does . Maybe Dave Filoni Maybe , I don't know All right . So whether you're a hardcore Star Wars fan or just a little swarzy curious . This is your Star Wars safe space , so welcome . We are the Circle of Nerds and we do absolutely love Star Wars , even if we don't always like it .
So let's meet the crew , shall we so ? Pilot of the infamous Parma Flyer . It's Crash .
Hey everybody , S-Foil's locked and let's do it .
I don't know if I want to fly with someone named crash . That seems counterintuitive but , I survive . Very true , it's like calling a survive . Well , yeah , yeah , another happy landing , and from parts unknown . It is t to the oni , oni , oni welcome back to the galaxy , everybody aka jedi master ba loni .
We haven't used that in a while we have not right and I'm sorry , all right . So what are we doing ? Well , very simple . We are on a mission to watch all of the canon star wars films and tv shows in chronological order , breaking them down , connecting the dots and learning a bit more about star wars , and maybe even about ourselves .
So if you're , uh , ready to go on this ride with us and jump to light speed , please be warned all you would be star warriors . There will be spoilers , so we're going to get into it . We've got a lot to unpack . So this week we are again .
We're talking about season 4 , episode 19 through 22 , plus episode 1 of tales of the empire , which slots right in there between episode 19 and 20 . So it's's episode 19 , and then episode one , tales of the Empire , and then we've got 2021-22 . Well , before we get into it , crash , you said you've got some news for us . Yeah , yeah .
Right now , star Wars Celebration Japan is starting to take shape and , if you're paying attention , or if you're lucky enough that you want to be able to head out there , the guest lineup is starting to take shape Alan Tudyk , anthony Daniels , ashley Eckstein a lot of the regulars that you see at celebrations the last few years Diego Luna and Oscar Isaac what Kymir
? I can't ever say his last name . Great dude Can't say his last name . Anyways , they're all going and as you get closer to the artwork , the exclusive artwork for the convention , some of those were released . I posted one on our Facebook group . You know us , we love that Umbara arc and I saw that one and it was just like damn , joe .
Crony , I'm buying somebody else's work for once .
Um , the badge artwork looks great . Very , very japanese century . You know there's a lot of style , japanese style artwork being incorporated into it . If you get a chance , go on the official website , look it up . There's some really great stuff you'll you'll find something for your wall , trust me um , keep talking about it .
I'm gonna try to grab it . Keep keep talking . Look it up , there's some really great stuff . You'll find something for your wall .
Trust me , keep talking about it . I'm going to try to grab it . Keep talking , I'm going to grab it and pull it in . If you haven't been to a Star Wars celebration before , a lot of times there's so many exclusives that it's hard to keep up with the artwork's great . You start to meet some of the new artists that work regularly with Lucasasfilm .
I'm a big joe caroni fan . I've been friends with him for years . Uh , on one of my other walls I've got one of his prints from , uh , the chicago con . It was a rogue one . Uh , my , my crush for jenner , so there was no bounds . I finally bought the big print of that . It's up there . Um , immediately , you know the actors from the shows .
Like I said , said Ashley is all over the place . Celebration brings out the big guns . If you're a Star Wars fan , yeah , that's the Umbara one . There it is .
That is gorgeous All of our podcast listener . I'm sorry you can't see this , but do head over to our YouTube channel and you can check this out . As you you know , we do love , love , love , love the umbara arc and this I mean that is just absolutely gorgeous .
I can't . I didn't catch the name of the guy who did it though I when I posted I just copy pasted , but I mean that I want to look up his other . His other work is this is just beautiful yeah , it looks like joe hogan joe , that's it , joe hogan the name of the artist .
I think that's what's on there joe hogan okay , um so , yeah , all right , that's uh . God , I wish I could go . I've always wanted to go to japan and to go to celebration in japan . Are you kidding me ?
I wouldn't come back I did and london was a big deal for my family went with me , my sister and I . We went to the convention . We left mom and dad at the hotel and said , okay , we're going .
We came all the way to europe , we're still going to star wars convention and I mean , they're just a blast yeah , I my my first and only celebration uh was germany , so that was .
That was really really cool and I was .
I was rocking my my rex and , uh , I dropped my helmet twice once once about like maybe 20 minutes before the costume contest and a collective gasp from everybody around you , because once you hear that plastic crunching sound , everybody knows what that means it was , yeah , like I had been .
I had been in rex since about seven o'clock in the morning and I had meant to , like you know , kit down , but because of the way the panels were lined up and there was there were different photo ops and things like that , I , I just and the the costume contest was later on in the day , I was dehydrated , I was fatigued , I the , and the helmet that I have
is one of um is one of the back off helmets from kevin weir of um imperial armory , which the finest clone armor on planet earth bar none . If so , this he does not sponsor us in any way , but , um , do check out kevin weir's . You will not find finer animated clone trooper armor anywhere on planet earth . I promise you that , um .
But uh , I was , you know , with other buckets . You know you can hold it anywhere and it's fine , but because it has the back off mod , it's it's meant to seal tighter on your neck .
So when you put it on the back of , it is held on with like a piece of velcro and it pops open so it can get onto your , your melon , and then it snaps back into place with magnets , because with other buckets you can see up into the bottom , but of course in clone wars that's like everything is snug to the neck . Um , so I was again .
It was at my . The first drop happened at the carrie fisher panel . I grabbed the back of it and the velcro pulled loose and the whole thing just hit the ground . No , no damage . I was like all right , cool .
So I put it back and then , like we were outside getting some fresh air and I did the , I did the same thing again and the the little frankenstein bolts that are on rex's helmet , those popped off . So I had to run the hotel , get the glue gloom back on and I was able to make the contest , like with like 10 minutes to spare , if that .
And I got second place , so nice , behind an incredibly stupid , accurate boba fett , an esb boba , um , but he's a good guy , he was , he's a , he's a member of the , the , uh , the british garrison . Uh , super cool guy . And you know , I mean , if you're gonna , if you're gonna lose first place to anybody , I'm , I'm good that it's boba .
So my pilot costume . I had a helmet . I had a gold leader shadow squashing colors helmet A little easier to carry . I never wore mine . I always had it in the NASA promo photo tucked under the arm . I always had to hear what was going on at events . Once you put those things on , it is like radio silence .
I'd always have it tucked under my arm , or a lot of times I just left it at home . You know , the beauty of the rebel pilots was , yeah , we don't have to have our helmets on . So I was like you know . I remember when we did a celebration orlando , and it was , you know , the big group photo day , everybody's in their best gear .
And afterwards I was like , okay , I'm gonna walk two blocks down to our hotel strip into street clothes and come , I had to take a rickshaw back . I was so exhausted from the humidity and the hike , I was just like no man , I'm not walking back . I'll pay the 20 bucks the kid .
This guy can pedal me oh , yeah , yeah , I , I'm actually thinking about putting together a rebel pilot , because I've got it , I've got a tie pilot already and I'm kind of , you know , because of modern day events , I've really become kind of disillusioned with the empire . You know , most people are drawn to the empire because they just look cool , you know ?
oh , I was supposed to have a tie pilot . Yeah , my first costume was supposed to be a tie pilot and for various reasons it turned into a death star trooper . Which turned into I never wear it .
Which turned into I like the orange better yeah , yeah , and that was that was mine , that mine was , mine was a um , the uh , um imperial crewman , because it's just , it's basically the tie pilot , but without the , the bucket and the , the chest box and all that .
Yeah , so did that while I was waiting on the purchase of the bucket and the , the chest piece , um , but yeah , it was , it was . It's cool . I mean , that's the thing . You know , bad guy gear always looks cool .
But now I'm kind of like , oh , I'm kind of , you know , leaning more towards the , uh , the , the plucky rebels , and you know their sense of hope . Because , brothers and sisters , guys and gals and non-binary pals , do we need a little hope right now ? Yes , we do All right . We do . What's that ?
We're going to hope we should get into this episode .
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You know , and talk about star wars their way , without hate . Without hate , you can critique , of course , always critique , but you don't have to shit on people because they don't believe the same things that you do . So exactly .
You're allowed to have your own opinions . You're allowed to have your own hot takes .
Just don't show anybody else's , absolutely 100 , all right . So let's get into it . Man , we do have a lot to unpack . So this was two arcs kind of woven together . Uh , I would say they're . They're . They're two separate ish arcs , but they are so . But we get to see .
We , this is our first , uh , our first look at um , um , morgan Ellsworth , uh and uh , the tragedy of of her and uh , the rest of , uh , her clan , um , and I assume the mountain clan as well , maybe , but then again , maybe not , because the mountain clan they were kind of , uh , she was kind of on her , uh , on her business .
So so we're looking at massacre , path of Path of Fear and Bounty . Those were kind of the ones that kind of go together . So we're seeing that and if you guys have anything that you want to talk about , definitely jump in , because these were all very , very heavy episode .
So the order that you really want to watch these is episode 19 , then tales of the empire , episode 1 , and then 20 , 21 and 22 , in that order , and then you'll get that whole , that whole nice story there . Um , we , we are seeing a . We're seeing dooku throwing a temper tantrum , basically because he got embarrassed Pretty much he got embarrassed .
So he wants Asajj dead , he wants Mother Talzin dead , he wants the Night Witches wiped out . But is that because he was embarrassed or is it because he knows what kind of a threat they are to him ? What do you guys think ?
I mean , I think it's a little bit of column a , I think it's more column B . Yeah , I mean , my only frustration with with Duku in this particular thing is you can say , oh , she betrayed me . She betrayed me , dude , you betrayed her first . Like
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yeah , like what the fuck man ?
and it's . That's pretty typical bully behavior , though , right , I mean they don't , uh , they don't want to . You know they , they want to pile it , but as soon as you start trying to make a comeback , they're like no , no , no , we can't have that . But we got to see the voodoo stuff . I mean , the voodoo stuff was making me , I was laughing my ass off .
I mean , that was , it's like you don't , you don't expect it . Sherry and I were watching this and even sherry was like whoa wait , what ? What ? Um , daca we had zombie night sisters , can we just please talk about the absolute terror of zombie night sisters please ?
yeah , it was kind of an interesting new twist . You know , we've always had this concept of the force and this energy field that connects living things , but after they're dead you sort of assume , like we all kind of believe , like that's sort of the end of that cycle .
Apparently for the night sisters they can dabble in things that some would consider unnatural and it's interesting to watch us . You know you were saying with dooku acting like a bully . Remember , he's the apprentice , he's the number two ego , he's the number two in this relationship .
But I think in these episodes you see him trying to flex his authority , his ownership of the Confederacy , and I think it was a lot of .
He's making deals with Mother Taliesin behind Palpatine's back and I think when she's starting to become a player in the Clone Wars , that's going to ruffle Palpatine's feathers eventually and I think that's why I think a lot of this was just taking a player off the board . Ventress was sort of collateral damage . Take my kid to work day .
She was never really a Sith apprentice , she was always sort of just a Force-sensitive assassin , mm-hmm . And when he turned on her and betrayed her and you know all of this started , you know it was really . You could tell this was Dooku trying to preserve his place in the hierarchy , to borrow Dwayne Johnsonism .
You know he's the number two , he's the apprentice to , you know Palpatine . And it's just like okay , these chicks step that a line , I'm gonna send grievous and the droids and we're just gonna wipe them off the board .
Yeah , and that's exactly what happened , unfortunately , um , despite that , I mean and you bring up a good point about their , uh , their magic you know obviously that it's , it's in some way force-based , but , um , when they reanimated those corpses you know , I think that you know the the , those ladies had moved on into the force or whatever it is that they
believe it's just they're rotting corpses that were left . It was terrifying , but it was very interesting . It's interesting to see other people in the galaxy wield this power in a different way and , arguably , in a potentially more powerful way . But it's it also . I mean , it's kind of a giveaway . You can find it .
Just follow the green mist and then there you go . So it's not I mean other practitioners of the force , it's it also . I mean it's kind of a giveaway . You can find it . You just follow the green mist and then there you go . So it's not I mean other practitioners of the force , it's invisible , you don't see it .
It's just all of a sudden you're getting choked out . But yeah , with the , with the night sisters , you can kind of follow them back to their , their hidden lair .
And you gotta love Dave . You guys have covered Ahsoka when it came out . But we see a little bit of that later on with the night sisters and Ahsoka .
You know the the night troopers they call them are basically the same as you know these night sister zombies under those buckets , yeah , so when they make that , that , that screeching sound , and the eyes are glowing green , you know my first thought was oh man First off , long green . You know my first thought was oh man first off . Dave does remembers everything .
You know . Filler episode is prologue to him right .
This is a great thing .
Call back to the night sisters later on in ahsoka when they can bring dead troopers back to be basically just self-regenerating red shirts and you know , and that's , and that's what's interesting about dave too .
It's like I really feel like dave is sitting around the kitchen table sometimes and he's like man , what can we do for a series ? Or what can we do for an episode ? You know what ? Let me , let me go back to the episode with jar jar and you know he's , he's on rhodia and you know what ? There was a guy in the background that was just .
He was just a placeholder . Let's go ahead and make an entire story around this guy and make him the brand new protagonist and of this new series . Yeah , that'll be great and that's dave . I feel like that's how his , his brain works , like it was , it's like unintentional prologue , I think . A lot of times he's like this is just one and done .
You know we're just gonna put this guy looks cool , you know he's just in the cantina or whatever . And then 15 years later now our heroes are fighting that guy .
So now let me ask you this we , we at the at while this is happening , I assume that during the time that Grievous was on his way to find Mother Taliesin , that's maybe when he encountered Morgan Ellsworth , because we don't see them directly tied to Mother Taliesin , so they're potentially a different clan completely .
So so along his way he runs into them and and then all that happens . So so with . This is my question with with . Oh , hold on , I had another question . I'm sorry , I'm all over the place tonight . Um , you had mentioned dooku being the apprentice .
So my question is knowing what we know about dooku and knowing you know his , his dealings , his little , his little side hustles and things it's expected for the apprentice to , to sauce the master and take on their own apprentice , do you think dooku would have done that eventually ?
Or would he have just stayed a loyal apprentice and palpatine knew that , which is why he had . Well , I don't want to jump too far ahead , but you know we , you know he had things happen . But do you think that Duke , who had it in him to actually betray and murder Palpatine so he could become , you know the true , you know dark Lord of the Sith ?
so I would say no , because he , like the last episode of this podcast that we just did is when he could have done it . Yeah , like if he was gonna , if he wanted to take off palpatine , that was the time to do it and he had ample opportunity if that was his intention .
Okay , so just more faithful number two , with maybe no ambition to take that number one spot .
I just think he realized just how powerful Palpatine is to have gotten to the position that he's in the long term planning . I think he just knows he can't beat Palpatine .
All right , crash . What do you think ?
I think he was a loyal number two in that , whatever Palpatine sold him on this idea of starting the Clone Wars , I think Dooku's arrangement was that he would become the public face of the Confederacy and he would run the Confederate government and then , when they broker a deal with the Republic to split and they just sort of go their separate ways , Dooku would
run Camp A and Palpatine would run Camp B Plus tell him what to do . So I think he never had any ambitions to betray his master , but I have a feeling he wanted just this . I said he had this comfortable power hierarchy within the confederacy , and ventress and mother talzin are a threat to that right , yeah , that makes sense .
Yeah , I agree , I don't . I don't think that he ever had his eyes on the prize of being like the sith lord . I don't think that that was . I think that he there was . There was a symbiotic relationship between the two of them .
Palpatine needed duke , whose influence and you know his , his power , but I think duke , who also legitimately wanted to see an end to the , the corruption , and then just the , the rotten core that was the republic . But you know , of course , you know he got . He got twisted by palpatine and started doing things the wrong way .
But I , I really don't think that that he was ever really had his , his sights set on becoming that evil , dark lord . He just wanted things to be the way that they were supposed to be in his mind , the way that they were supposed to be . So now , seeing morgan , we saw what happened with , of course , asajj .
She once again narrowly escapes um same thing with morgan and we're going to see a lot more of her , not as much as I would like , because she's a great character . So I , I would , I would have liked to have seen more .
But do we have knowing now if we're watching everything chronological or this is your first time meeting Morgan , so we don't want to go too far ahead in that , but do you feel genuine sympathy for these two women , knowing the route that they've taken ? Especially Asajj , I mean , she has been a thorn in the side of the Jedi and the Republic .
She's killed a lot of clones . She's killed a lot of clones , um , but we see that you know , this desire to be part of something , part of something bigger , you know this , this need for to be part of some sort of a family unit , um , it's really what drives her , seemingly .
You know , we , we got a little taste of that , and it's not canon anymore , I know , but in the 2D micro series she wanted so badly to be part of this Sith conclave with Dooku and Palpatine and of course , she ends up getting betrayed by them again , them again . But , um , so , yeah , do you , after these two episodes , are you feeling any sympathy ?
Do they deserve sympathy , these two ? For , uh , I mean morgan , we really , you know , at this point I would say yes , but um , but what about asajj ? What do you guys think about that ? Like , is she still deserving of a
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little sympathy ? Or it's like nah , fuck that kid , she deserves everything she gets . What are your thoughts ?
I think so . This is the part where Asajj Ventress starts to become more than just a trope . You know , she was in the micro series . She was just the Sith chick with two blades , something different than we've seen . Sith chick with two blades , something different than we've seen Even in the beginning of this series .
You know , okay , she's Dooku's assassin , she's got two blades . What we see later there's a bit of a flirtiness between her and Obi-Wan , even as adversaries , much less allies , temporarily . I love that . That's great , we'll get into that . We'll get into that one . But it's the kind of thing where in this arc , you start to see where she was being mistreated .
She was being manipulated because she desired a family unit of some kind besides the Nightsister . I have a feeling Dookuoku .
I don't know if this was officially canon , but I always got the sense that whatever partnership talzin and dooku had , she was sort of the player to be named later and added yeah , she becomes his assassin as part of whatever partnership they had . So she , she was traded away from her family to dooku , who betrays her .
She comes home and we see this Basically , they're reintegrating her into their coven and she even said this carnage , this army that's coming here is because of her . She brought it on her own .
She did and she felt bad for that .
Yeah .
I mean she felt bad for that . Yeah , I mean she felt regret . I mean that's not . Regret is not a trait of the sith no the sith , have no regrets . They just , they're just forces of nature . They , they do what they do . And regret is a weakness . Tony , what do you think ? Sympathy , sympathy , to your name .
So for Morgan , definitely at this point , I don't , at this point have enough to say that she was on an evil path to begin with . But hey , when your home gets invaded for something that you had nothing to do with and your entire family and clan is killed off , yeah , you're going to have some anger , you're going to gonna have some resentment .
I don't blame her in the slightest for that . Now , obviously , what we will come to learn about her role in the future it becomes kind of a well , if you're siding with the Empire and they're the ones who ultimately are responsible for that well , that's kind of fucked up . But at this point , yeah , I've certainly got some sympathy .
As for Asajj , I definitely like these episodes and that story that they're telling certainly give me some empathy and sympathy for her . I just at this point .
I mean , if you recall , back when we first started getting into this and we watched Tales of the Jedi , there was a lot of talk about how I love the character of Dooku and that backstory and how he became who he is . Right , and now with these , I really want to see that same thing for her , because I think she is .
There is a lot more depth to her character now than what we're used to seeing and what we've seen in the past and , depending on how that goes , she may be a very sympathetic character .
I just don't know yet , right right and you know what , and let's build on that as we go into the episode Bounty , we really get to see there was a lot of fan service in this episode . We got to see Bossk . We got to see Boba . I've never been a fan . What's that ? We got a little bit more Embo .
I've never been a fan of young Boba in the Clone Wars . I love Boba Fett , but I've just . I mean he's , he's just such an angsty teen . It's just like dude , you're so emo , just dial it down a notch . I get it . You saw your dad beheaded . You're angry dude . But he just is like giving off like trust fund brat vibes .
It's like you're the brat bounty hunter . Just relax , the man is capable , the young man is capable . We could , we've seen him fight , you know he's , he can handle himself . Um , but I'm just like , oh god , he just irks me . I just want to like and then like seeing asajj's interactions with him . I love it .
Like sheen is like that big sister or just someone needs to smack this guy in the mouth someone . Oh , but shut up , shut up . So , but seeing asaj in this , this like , for me anyway it gives . Now she's definitely earning some sympathy points . You know she's .
She's earning some empathy points because from the get-go bosk , dengar and uh , lots , rizzy , razzy , uh , they were kind of like strong arming her , and I'm watching this and I was like you know , gang , she could like sauce , you like in five seconds . You're not bullying her , you're not scaring her , she just she needs you right now , kind of .
But I thought that was funny . I thought you know , bosk , you know trying to threaten her and pressure , pressure her . And then boba trying to threaten her . I'm like , come on , kid , not just just knock it off , just it's not gonna happen , because she really could have taken all of them out and then just done the job herself , but she didn't .
And then , once she's faced with the job and she finds out the truth , the double cross happens and , dare I say , does she have a foot on the path towards the light side at this point ? Does she have a foot on the path towards the light side at this point ? Like , what are , what are your thoughts on that ? Because this is I .
I was like , oh all right , asajj , I'm , I'm feeling you , I'm feeling you so I will say this particular episode for me asajj was giving um jack sparrow vibes . Okay , not like , not not necessarily bad , good , just doing their own thing , all right .
Self-interest .
There's that line that kind of got glossed over a little bit , where you find out how he became who he is and he says people aren't cargo . And that very much reminded me of this , where once she realizes what the package is , she says you know what ?
And to be fair , we can say , yeah , well , she also did it to get a second payday , but she did Well she did the right thing .
She did the right thing .
And she even gave them the . You know she only took her cut . She could have taken the whole case and like split yeah , yeah , she got her cut and a little extra .
So I mean she , you know . So I mean yeah , so that was , it was nice . So she got like a double ransom payment , you know , and that's cool . So , yeah , I get it . Yeah , that's a , that's a good point . Tony , a little jack sparrow vibes , but she has a moral compass surprisingly yeah , crash . What's your take on it ?
um , I thought again , this is one of those you know filler episodes prologue , you know , and and with her we're seeing she . She doesn't quite know her path . She knows she doesn't like she's given up on the Dooku path . The Nightsister path has been taken away from her .
I liked at the end when she's talking to Bosk and the guys about , like I've been where you are now , you guys , I think you're these hot bounty hunters . You can just go and do what you gotta do . You know somebody ,
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everybody works for somebody . It was a line they used in salt , like akira uses in solo , and I think ventress was very um hip to the fact that , okay , these these bounty hunters think they're the , the , the big guy dog on campus , but you always you work for somebody and and if and if that somebody is not the best , you know moral character .
You know you're taking bad jobs . You're risking your life for bad jobs because you need credits and right , yeah , because she could have just fallen in with this crowd and and literally become the new alpha in no time oh , she could have .
Yeah , she could have 100 , taken that crew over , no one would have stopped her and and then just put a little little angsty boba in his place and , you know , run the show . But I think she , you know she was very reluctant to sort of get burned again .
You know , she needed , she took , she took the job because she , you know , okay , she killed one of their guys and they basically were going to blackmail her into doing this gig . But it doesn't mean she has to join the band , it doesn't mean she has to stay with them .
And then , once she realized the moral murkiness of what the cargo and what the job entailed , I love the fact that she pulled the switch on them to base and , and you know , and didn't let them open the case until she was gone and and that's , that's a very slick way of screwing over the bad guy , really .
I'm just going to say this , and I don't know if it's a hot take or not , but massage is just sexy , and I don't even necessarily mean that in a sexual way . I just mean like she's so smooth , she's so sarcastic , she's just , she's one of those quote unquote villains that you love to hate . But I'm really not even getting villain vibes from her anymore .
I'm getting very close to anti-hero , very close . She's not quite there yet , but we've got a couple people watching . Uh , let us know what you think like . What are your thoughts on miss asajj ventress ? You know , is she , is she just that jack sparrow type character , or is she on the path to being more of an anti-hero ?
Because you could , even with jack sparrow , you could , argue that he's . He's got a moral compass , but I wouldn't even say he's an anti-hero necessarily . He's maybe not quite there yet either . So I don't know , let us , let us know all of our viewer , let us know uh she's got the riz , she really does , she really does like . If .
If I were making her a character in in any sort of rpg , she would have to have at least like an eight charisma at least , if not more , you know , but uh and she's such a great foil to ob-Wan Some of the best villain-hero relationships .
There's obviously opposite genders . There's a quote sexual tension that people like to read into these things , but I think just as straight-up character-to-character she counters his flirty , witty snark . It's Fred and Ginger .
They have this , this difference between them even when they're fighting , and she can out snark obi-wan , I mean that's . And like again , sherry and I were watching this and it's , so that's a great segue . Let's , let's move on into brothers , because that's where , um , that's , was it Brothers or was it Revenge ?
It was Revenge it was Revenge . Brothers was mostly the Savage fighting .
Then we'll circle back .
Since we're on this , the , this dance that we've seen , you know , since the very beginning , since the Clone Wars movie , we've seen this , this dance between the two of them , and it's just fun to watch and I so badly would have loved to have seen maybe not the two of them in a , in a romantic relationship , but almost like a , like a buddy comedy sort of
thing . You know , I I would love to like . I think we're getting a Kenobi season two , I believe that's . That's either happening or it's in the works .
Everything from it's in the talks to there they may be . There may be a cameo by Ewan in season two of Ahsoka like so does that count ? Yeah , cover the , you know we'll find out .
Nothing's been formally announced yet . Once the celebration japan happens , we might get some new information oh , we're gonna get new information in japan , for sure that's gonna happen .
I I really , really hope that we get asajj somewhere in live action , because she's not dead , she won't die and we , we need it and and what better than to put her in the kenobi series ? you know , I mean , like I I was really hoping in season one of kenobi that she would have found him down and out , um , but that's , that's gotta happen .
I mean I just that's the trailer . I mean that's the trailer for season two . Obi-wan is sitting in a market , in a cafe , somewhere , and then in the background , all you hear is kenobi and that's it . Like that's it . You don't even have to show her you , it's just the way she says his name . It's just it's like a fine wine or like a port .
It's just kenobi . It's like lover I'm have .
I'm getting way more respect it needs to be a dax designer and she walks in .
Yeah there you go , there you go , and again we don't even , don't even have to see her . Just it's like a slow uh you know , like a slow crawl towards obi-wan's face .
He's just sitting there , contemplative , thinking about everything , um , and as the as the camera gets closer and closer , he's just kind of like staring down at his jawa juice , and then you just hear it in the background , kenobi , and he just looks up the only trick's gonna be , with with , uh , lars thron , you almost gotta find the voice actress and you almost
gotta see if you can put her in enough makeup , whatever you gotta do to make her look like Ventress .
I know a lot of shows . They sort of draw the character , sort of to resemble the actor , just like with Thrawn . That voice is what really sold it . The crossover from animation to live action and the other way around with Bo-Katan , where it's just like oh you gotta it has to be , because it is the voice and the attitude and all of that .
I think you could find an actress to do that . I mean you know it's .
Rosario's done a great job with ahsoka . You know she's not ashley , but she plays a much older version of ashley , yeah an older version .
Um , so I think that , yeah , I think if we could have , we could have that , because , oh god , that would be so great , and then that could potentially even be an opening for more quinlan voss , because quinlan and asajj were they were , they were knocking boots , they were doing the no pants dance , I believe . So , um , that would be very interesting .
Um , I don't do we know if , if vos is alive at this time , I don't know , I , I don't really , I don't .
I haven't there . There's a mention of him in obi-wan kenobi as part of the path right , but we don't see him . We don't know if he's , like , currently alive at the time he's mentioned , but yeah , he's been referenced and even the difference between him in the comic books . He's a much gruffer kind of guy versus as we see him in Clone Wars .
He's more of like a mellow surfer dude it's going to be interesting yeah , yeah , he's cool and I think that he's a good .
He's a good match for asajh , because she's she's very flirty and playful , but she's also she's a little stiff , and quinlan is like you said that he's that surfer dude and I would , uh , I would love to see a little romantic comedy with them . I'm not a fan of rom-coms , but , uh , I'd watch that take that plus , right , but no , we got it .
We got to see a stage in dealing with kenobi in some way . So so , yeah , so we're we're looking at , we're talking about revenge , the episode revenge and she comes to save the day , and it's like you said this , just their quips , they're just , they're back and forth , it's .
It's so amazing to watch , it's so well written and and , and I know we're going to come back to the , the first half of that arc , but it was . This was big I we were talking before the show .
I remember I was at Celebration 6 in Orlando and they had a red carpet premiere for the new season because everybody was jazzed about Darth Maul being back and I had to go digging through the archives . I still got the poster .
Oh , look at that .
And it's just beautiful . And this was it . It was the Maul brothers . Back in action .
Lift it up a little bit more . What's on the bottom ?
It's got the Clone Wars logo . They had a new day and time . I can't remember when it originally aired . It was like a . They moved to like Saturday morning , I think , and that was , like you , that was primetime cartoon time , because this is when the show was really cooking and they wanted a good time slot .
But this idea that a guy who we thought was dead in episode one is coming back . He'd been in some cool non-canon alternate universe stories like Vision and stuff like that . They had a thing with him with the prosthetic legs and there was all sorts of great the spider look that we first see Darth Maul in .
Everybody was excited because there was all this cool art that we had been seeing for years . Dave went . I'll take a little bit of that . I'll take a little bit of that . I'll take a little bit of that . Double it all together .
I got a brother , so now we got the master and apprentice of these two they hadn't quite figured out that hierarchy yet , but just two horned badass dudes on a trip for revenge . It was going to be Kenobi and maul the rematch and so .
So now let's , let's circle back to that . Let's get I mean we , because we could , we could do an entire episode on the vibe that is asajj and kenobi . But , um , we , even we , the episodes even started hard with they . They changed their color yeah , the red logo .
I mean , it's just like whoa , wait a minute . Something's about to happen , and it was all about the mall man , it was all about mall and and tip of the hat to sam .
Sam crushes it . Sam brought something , because maul was a very one-dimensional character . You know , he was just a henchman . He was just that guy he was . He wasn't known as a talker .
You know he didn't have a lot of lines in the movie because they had a dub ray parks weird voice right and you know to get sam who just masterclassed it .
Yeah , Cause in the in the live action . We you know we don't get much from mall . I mean , you get he's . He's a Darth . We know that he's . He's Sidious , is number two , but he just felt more like a , like an attack dog than an actual Sith partner . I think that's exactly what he was meant to be . He was just that .
You know that club , you know that Palpatine was using .
But when Sam got his hands on this character and he just plays that , that trauma and that , that disconnect from reality and and we see it when , when we get back to when , when Savage gets him , gets him back to Dathomir , and mother Towson is like literally pulling the charts yeah , she's pulling the trauma . I was like that's better than therapy .
I mean , can I ?
mother give me some of that you booked me an appointment .
I mean , can you pull some of that shit out of my head too ? But it's just um , oh , speaking of towels and I'm sorry again , I'm all over the place when she made that collect call to dooku coming out of his fucking body to facetime him like , are you kidding me ? We , we always talk about vader , how he's able to force , choke people across the tv .
You know he did that to amara ozzel and all that right . We , you know , we've seen that . But this was a cross . Wherever duke who was , it was not right next door and she , she did a , she did a luke . When luke force projected you know to to fight kylo .
But but tausend did that and caused him physical pain , came up out of his guts like , ah , and you're a bad witch . You are one bad witch .
The zombies , the Night Sister , voodoo this was some dark Imagery for something that Was getting a reputation . Again , people were early on . This is a cartoon . We're getting deep people we're getting dark .
Sorry . So , coming back , so we find , we find mall in the cave , we've got spider mall and it's just , I almost felt bad for him . I almost felt bad for him because of , because of his , his psychosis , you know .
But also , you know , dude , brought on yourself , but as a , as a man , I can , I , I can feel that , you know , I could , because he got his lower half chopped off and he didn't get it back so he lost his saber . You know what I mean . I mean , he lost his , yeah , he lost his little saber .
I mean I don't know if it was little , I'd like to think that darth maul was packing , but but he , he lost his , his buddy .
That would make me crazy too , not just the fact that that kenobi cut him in half , but kenobi caused the loss of of his butt and , uh , I , I could , I could almost , I could almost feel for the guy at that point , because you just know .
And then , when , when town talzin gave him his new legs I don't think she gave him a new , like robo welly , I thought it was interesting .
When she did that , you know , she , she , she reassembled him and using droid parts , you know , and just stripping what she needed , you know , the bare raw materials out of these , these droids who just wiped out her coven . And and I always , you know , whenever I watched that episode , you know that scene , I'm always , I fall , I fall into , do my bad .
Forrest Gump every year magic legs .
Cause you know that was that was .
That was a very popular look in the alternate divisions where he had the spring loaded legs and he could run real fast . He could do all these cool things with these legs and I like the fact that they showed him when he first stood up . It wasn't like a perfect , like oh sure , this is just my new leg .
He wobbled , he had to readjust , he got that shit in seconds . He first stood up . It wasn't like a perfect , like oh sure this is just my new look .
He wobbled , he had to readjust , he got that shit in seconds . I mean that vengeance .
Maul's such a Mary Sue , you know .
I mean just to be able to do that , but that only works one way , you know .
Right , oh my God , yeah , he adapted very quickly and let's give him credit .
You know Clancy Brown carried that first episode it was just Savage trudging along with this stupid snake . Was that Ken Cha ? I can't . Can we look up who played the snake in that episode ?
His name was Ben Diskin .
Yes , ben Diskin . We look up who played the snake in that episode . Uh , his name was ben diskin . Yes , because at first I was like man you're . You're sounding a lot like lo pan there from , uh , from big trouble , little china . But uh no , it was . Yeah , it was . I looked him up , but you know so clancy brown , you know who .
Again it's got a very just iconic voice . You know , hear Savage Oppressed . I'm in Highlander mode , I'm in .
Mr Krabs mode . I'm just like , oh , that's Mr Krabs . I don't like Highlander as well , but I'm like that's Mr Krabs . That's a hell of a range , isn't it ? You're Mr Krabs and then you're Savage Oppressed .
Yeah , and he was really the lead-in to let sam just do his thing and and and the two of them together just have a great repertoire between them already they do , they do , and I I'm finding that I'm feeling bad for savage because again he's .
He's lost , he's been so used and manipulated . He wasn't a bad guy and that's the thing with Savage . Savage was tempered and forced into all of this . Savage was 100% violated and he became this beast , this animal .
But he just wants this brotherhood , he just wants family in any way that he can get it , and I feel so bad for him because maul doesn't give a fuck about that . He doesn't give a fuck at all .
At this point he's just like all right , this is , this is another , you know , a tool that I can use to get back at konomi I mean not to my , you know all that's true .
I will also say you know he was told he was going to get to marry asajj and I know where my mind would go with that and yet he didn't get that . So that's right , plenty of reason to be angry .
I forgot about that , that's right . Oh yeah , I'd be a little upset about
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that too , and it's interesting .
In the later fight . You know when Asajj comes to the rescue , you know they trade off . Maul was doing a great job of unsettling Obi-Wan . He brought up Qui-Gon , he got him off his game and they switched dance partners . And all of a sudden you know Asajj is fighting with Maul and Kenobi's fighting Savage and the hate shifts .
You know everybody's got to beef with somebody else and then they switch dance partners in the middle of the fight . And that was a really cool in such close quarters . Kind of okay , there's a lot of overlapping , we're getting telenovela here in as there's . There's a lot of overlapping . We're getting telenovela here in a set .
Yeah , there's a lot of overlapping storylines it's , it was cool because we do see um , um in that scene . Like you say , we might as well jump to that episode too . Now we're going all over the place anyway , but um , the choreography in that scene was great and I don't know if this is ever intentional , but it's . It's something that I've observed .
You know , palpatine always says you know , well , he doesn't always say but he , he said that you know , your hate your anger , it gives you focus . Hate your anger , it gives you focus .
But every time we see someone in star wars fighting from a place of rage and anger , they're very sloppy and it they , it doesn't actually give them focus , whether they're walking on the dark side or the light side . And we see this with obi-wan . Obi-wan is a professional lightsaber master .
He is good , you know , he may not be the best , but he is still very , very good .
Um , and he was like you said , he was off his game , but he , he tapped into his anger and it made him less technical , it made him more sloppy , and I think that's what ultimately gave , you know , the brothers a leg up , because otherwise I think that I think obi-wan may have been able to handle one um , but the two of them together was just it was too
much , but I , I'm sorry , go ahead did you notice when he first showed up on that planet ?
you know , maul says , you know , sends the was just , it was too much , I'm sorry , go ahead . Did you notice when he first showed up on that planet ? Maul sends the message to say oh , come face me .
And then you know , I'm kidding , and let's you know , we talked last week about how you know Anakin , you know no matter what you know you killed children , man , that's not redeemable . Maul did it with glee . Maul did it with intent , because he knew that would be what draws the Jedi's attention . And I'm like you , bastard .
Anakin did it out of a misplaced fear of loss . He did it to save Padme . Still inexcusable what he did , but at least there was a selfless sort of selfless motivation behind it . He wanted to save padme's life . But does anakin want to save padme for padme or does anakin want to save padme ?
for him right and I don't mean in like a possessive way , but he knows he's trying to protect his heart . He can't save anyone that he loves and that's always been . Anakin's greatest downfall is his love , ironically .
But with Maul , no , it was just bait to draw out Kenobi so he could slaughter Kenobi and he wiped out an entire fucking village men , women , children , the little droid , that little r5 . We see how the fuck does a droid get ptsd . Because that droid was like ah , the things I've seen . And it's like that poor droid . I was like what ?
So I it just shows the difference between .
There's always been a very you know fans like to compare darth maul versus darth vader , right and and yeah , darth vader , is this the icon movie icon of evil ? Darth maul's just a bad dude . Yes , yeah , and for whatever his damage is , I mean he don't hold back ?
no , and we , and we , you know , we've nerds have debated this for years and years and years .
You know who would win in a fight , you know , darth vader or darth maul , and you know I , I'm of the belief that vader would win it because he has more control and maul is just a rabid dog , you know , and I , I mean we see that all the way up to the end . He's just a rabid dog , he , he lives like a dog and he dies like a dog .
So I mean , he's just it all the way through to his core . He's rotten , um , but uh , even even knowing that , even though we know how rotten to the core Darth Maul is , fuck man , I , I didn't see it coming that he would wipe out . Is he capable of doing it ? Yes , but I mean those hostages he had on the hollow .
Uh , presumably he decapitated all of them in one shot .
That was , yeah , they , they . They played the camera angle well to get it by a network sensor , but it was clear he publicly live streamed , executed them for the Jedi .
He did , he Talibaned them . Tony , you were going to say something you mentioned .
It's a debate about who would win , maul versus versus vader . I got a question for you guys who would win maul or savage ? Because , like you know , obviously maul is force sensitive and whatnot , but but savage has his own extra abilities .
It would be Maul , it would be Maul , because Savage has , he has love for Maul and that would be his undoing , that would be his weakness . He would let his guard down . Brother , I don't want to fight you . Yeah , he'd be trying to negotiate to stop the fight . Mall would just shred him about .
A second thought mall cares only about mall and getting his revenge on kenobi . That's it . Any , any power play that he makes , any alliances he forges , it doesn't matter . It's all about his obsession . And I I think that , and that's why I feel bad for savage , is because he just he wants a brother .
If , if I think , if savage had it his way , the two of them would just go out and like , open a cantina somewhere , they would just kick it in the outer rim , have a little camp , a little dive bar cantina somewhere and just chill . But um , I won't allow it well , and we'll see later .
Yeah , without giving too much away , savage sees themselves as equals , you know . He sees themselves as brothers . Maul immediately goes for that hierarchy , you know , like we were saying about dooku and palpatine I'm the alpha , you're the beta .
Right , I'm the master , you're the apprentice , and it's just they had different goals which you , which is a great way to play off those two characters .
And you know , and Maul , again , he is despicable , but we do see with him a masterclass in manipulation . He learned from the best , though . He learned it from Papa Palpatine . But he knows , and I'm sure he senses Savage's weakness that is love , and he uses it to basically gain control .
It's like one one rabid dog , you know , holding the leash of another rabid dog and he's going to use . He's going to use Savage as his blunt instrument .
And notice there are moments and there'll be moments later where maul is was privy to palpatine's plant . Yeah , when he's told that the clone wars are going on , it's like , oh . It's like when you miss a week of your favorite episode , your dvd show , and you're like , oh , that thing happened that so it .
So it started , and it started yeah , and , and you can tell he was . He was a man who sort of missed the boat in in in this grand scheme of Palpatine's and he wants to find a way back in .
Yeah , I mean he misses . I'm sure that he misses his place in the hierarchy , but I think , more so , he misses his penis . I think that is . I mean it's it's revenge on kenobi for chopping his penis off . I think that is . That is the takeaway . It's not being talked about enough .
I don't think it's ever been talked about enough , and I think that's a disservice to storytelling and it's a disservice to maul's penis . I feel that , uh , I would be that crazed and angry as well . I think , uh , his , his penis deserves a place in the spotlight . That's added to the wall of remembrance we should add dark penis to the wall of remembrance .
Yes , you are , you are correct , I don't even have here . Where's uh ? Um , I darth maul's penis is going on the wall of remembrance . Poor little guy . Poor little guy probably was tattooed up and everything anyway . So that's it . That's the end of , uh , that season four wrapped up really really well , really really well .
We see , uh , we see asaj out there loose in the galaxy , you know , trying to find her , her moral compass and she has one . It's nice to know that . You know the the brothers are out there just going to be wreaking havoc along the way . Um , and then the rest of the gang is just , uh , prepping for season five , as will we , uh , so it's .
I always tell people , season four , just get through it , get through the first three seasons , and season four is where you're hooked .
I mean I , I don't want to say skip seasons one , two and three , but but I mean if you were on a desert island and you can only take one box set with you , I don't know , it might be , it's , it's a toss-up between four and seven , because seven's a damn good , damn good fucking season as well . Um , but we're getting there , all right .
So season five is coming up next . Let's show just because it is so good looking . Let's show that , uh , that darkness on umbara image again , man , man , that's going to be a star wars celebration , japan exclusive . But I'm gonna steal it from the internet and print it out and put it in a frame , because damn I I'm sure it'll be available somewhere else too .
But look at it , it's a great example of what this season did , in that it you know , it took , you know the format of an animated Star Wars show and brought it to the level of a live action drama . This was a very We've been going on and on about how much we love this arc . This was when the Clone Wars got dark .
And I'm going to say it and I know the gooners out there and the fandom menace . They're going to shit on me but this was dark and gritty . This was a dark and gritty season . Prove me wrong if you don't agree . Prove me wrong . Why was this season not dark and gritty ? And I'll tell you all the reasons why you're wrong .
Because , uh , we've got death , dismemberment , torture . It's just there's some suicide in there , there's some self-saucing , I mean it's and we've got some new and we've got some new players .
You know the night sisters . Yeah , mother talzin is going to be a force to be reckoned with . We talked about cad bane . We've talked about , you know , the bounty hunters in general .
You know , like , okay , young boa and his , those guys are out there but they're not really involved in the war , but they will be involved in future stories and they're players in this drama now and again Cad Bane , the greatest bounty hunter in the galaxy .
Tony , I'm sorry , go ahead .
I did want to ask you guys because I know you've
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seen this before , whereas for me this was the first time , having now seen Mother Taliesin assume that missed form . Essentially to you guys , because I know you've seen this before , whereas for me this was the first time , having now seen Mother Taliesin assume that missed form .
Essentially , for me , seeing it for the first time , it reminded me of the Mother and Acolyte doing the same thing . And I'm curious for you guys , who had seen this first , if you had made that connection or not .
Yeah , because you've got their , their witches , the , the accolade they were , their witches they're employing . You know they have a similar connection to this . It's , you know , a different form of the force . So they do have that connection and I thought it was really cool to see that .
You know , I I don't think they were on dathomir , though I can't remember the name of the planet that they were on , but they definitely weren't on dathomir , but like there was an interpretation that they were where they were because they left somewhere else right and at that point would that have been dathomir or ?
because there was clearly a a a night sister purge on dathomir . So it's entirely possible that . Well , but this is like 100 years before that , so it wouldn't have been that purge , but they were escaping from something and , and there were schisms .
Even the jedi knew of witches and other force sensitive wielding cultures . We'll find out we'll see some ones later on in rebels that even the Zebs race has a very spiritual connection to . You know the Ashland they call it and it was just sort of the same way .
You're right , and the Acolyte showed a little bit of it , and that there's more than just Jedi and Sith , there are other cultures . The Force may be all encompassing the universe , but everybody interprets the Force differently , much like , for me , a lot of real world religions . We all have the same idea , we just give it different names .
Right , we're in for same idea .
We just give it different names . Right , we're in for a ride . Season five coming up next .
I did look it up while we were talking , quinlan did survive Order 66 and , at a bare minimum , was at least alive until 9 ABY .
All right , so he and Asajj could be kicking around and they could still be alive . Because I mean , we are basically in the Mandoverse era currently . I mean that's where Skeleton Crew takes place . Yes , that's the same time frame as the Mandalorian .
So we are currently in the Mandoverse era , so post-E in the Mando verse era , so post empire , you know , pre new order . So Quinlan and massage there . They're out there somewhere . Yeah , maybe we'll meet their kid how cool would that be . The child of Quinlan Voss and Asajj Ventress ?
What sort of hellish abomination might that be the child of the goth girl and the surfer boy . I love it .
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You guys got anything on the way out . One thing I always like to say we said during Skeleton Crew we're going to get ready for a new season of Clone Wars . When you're doing your homework and you start watching these episodes , and if we bounce into tales for certain stuff , enjoy the ride .
That's , I think , the biggest thing at this point in this particular series and just Star Wars in general . Enjoy the ride . Don't overthink it . You know that's our job . We'll overthink it , we'll explain everything to you . Just have fun with it . That's what Star Wars really should be about as fans , and just enjoy the ride . Well said .
Well said , tony , you got anything .
I'm just going to say I know I've seen it all over my social media feeds , but I really now want to see a Star Wars musical . Any of our fans listening have heard the . Ai take on that . I think it's a lot of fun .
I can't do it . I can't do it .
I survived a Star Trek musical , but I don't know , I just saw that and I loved every second of it was .
It was great . Surprisingly , I was . I'm looking forward to the new season , um , but I , uh , I love that show . It's a great show , but I can't , I can't , you can't no , not , not with my star wars . I can't do it . No , I'll watch . I'll watch the marvel . You know the avengers musical . Um , I'll watch that turkey . I know it's fake , but I would .
I would watch that before I would watch a star wars musical .
Please , don't just take that back tony , like just don't even take it back . I mean , to be fair , it's not so much a musical as it is like a rock opera , but but absolutely not .
I , I just I can't , I can't do it , no , no all right , all right , hey , teach their own , it's okay geez , oh man . What's happening to the world ? No , I , if that happens , if we get a star wars musical , I'm I'm joining the fandom menace . It's going to happen overnight . Overnight . I will pledge my loyalty to the fandom menace .
I will bend the knee to those guys and just walk away from the whole thing . No , I can't .
Oh man , we were on such a positive note thanks for bringing open down production with the musical number and all the dancing on stage oh , I've seen it , yeah that , that's your fear . That's what I've seen .
No , my fear is turning into the . Uh , what is it that star wars dance party for the connect ?
do you guys remember that game it came out for like I never played it , but I saw enough of it to go oh my god , this is , this was a bad idea it was so .
I've never heard of this performance ?
oh , just look it up , it up . It was an Xbox game , it utilized the Kinect technology and it was basically like those dance games where you have to mimic the moves on screen . But they took pop songs but then swarzyed them out . They changed the lyrics , oh God .
Okay , yeah , okay , that's fair .
Yeah , we don't want that You're seeing , and it's like you're seeing Boba Fett and Han Solo like doing , like club moves and it's just and storm troopers in the background .
They need to do , cause , like we , we have those types of dance , dance revolution games . Right , we have , um , you know , the the beat saver game for the virtual reality system , which is awesome . Yeah , yes . Why don't they combine those two and just teach us the choreography for these fight scenes ?
yeah , yeah , I would absolutely be down for that would be a game like if we had like . So instead of instead of copying dance moves , we're copying the fight choreography from like , like the duel of the fates .
Yes , exactly I'd play that , I play that they messed around they had .
Vader had a game where it was one of those virtual reality gigs where you had to put the visor on . You're literally like like Luke , you got this big , clunky visor on , you got a joystick that's supposed to be your lightsaber and you react to what's projected in your field of view . I couldn't do it . I had to trip several times .
I'm just such a klutz , I did that one time in Vegas , in one of those balls where you're supposed to walk , and I tripped like three times .
No , you just can't do it . There's been so many . There was like the Masters of Terracasi game .
Oh , nintendo Wii had a Clone Wars game where you could literally fight as Anakin Obi-Wan , ahsoka , ventress Grievous . I think Yoda , it was a Mortal Kombat , it was a fighter , yeah , and all you were doing was this I don't want that .
I don't want that . Force Unleashed was one of the greatest Star Wars
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games ever made .
The original Battlefront was just cinema .
Battlefront 2 wasn't bad . What is it Jedi ? The jedi order game jedi survivor . Yeah , calcestis , those are great games , um , and we should do that . We need to do like a star wars game episode where we kind of like run down our top picks of star wars games , the best and the worst . We're talking worse . I can go back to Super Nintendo .
There was an Empire Strikes Back game .
I don't remember that game .
Oh my god , I majored in the old PC X-Wing and TIE Fighter games .
Remember those .
Oh , those were great . Those were great . Those came out about the same time as , I think , Wing Commander . I've got that game on this little those were great those were great . Those came out about the same time , as , I think , wing commander , yeah , yeah .
I've got that game on this little guy oh well I remember the star Wars arcade game where it was like the black and green wireframe .
Oh yeah , the original trench game .
Yeah , that was rough . It was rough , all right . All right , we're going to wrap it up . Thank you , guys . So , thank you everyone for tuning in this week . We appreciate you . We do know that , of course , you could always spend your time somewhere else , but you choose to spend it with us . We've got a few people watching us live today on YouTube .
We appreciate you for taking the time to watch us . If you're just now popping in , sorry , we're about to wrap it up , but , uh , go back and watch it anyway . Like once , once this publishes out , watch it , it'll be cool . So , uh , that's it .
We also want to give a very special thanks to our active duty military members and veterans for their service and sacrifice . Um , things are weird for them right now . Uh , weird for everybody right now , I mean to be honest . So , um , I will say that there's , there's a lot going on , um , in the world today .
So what I will , I will suggest , is that you , you seek joy , seek out joy and pace yourself . You don't have to try to consume all this media that's coming in . Things seem overwhelming right now . You're getting hit with a lot of information , both good and bad , all over the place .
Take your time , take a breath , disconnect sometimes , seek joy , seek the company of like-minded individuals and just breathe . It's a marathon , not a sprint . Just breathe and remember the things that star wars has taught us . There is always hope , no matter how dark things may seem , there is always hope .
Even if it's just from a small little , under equipped ragtag band of of bright-eyed hopefuls , there's always hope . And , uh , even against the , the big , the big , bad empire , there's always hope . So just , uh , keep that alive .
And and remember , depending on what side of the fight you're on , you know , being joyful is a form of resistance , because right now , people want you to be mad , they want you to be scared , they want you to disassociate and just be completely overwhelmed and demoralized . Seek that joy , don't let them do it .
That's how you resist , that's how you fight back , without going to the next level . But there you go , that's it . So if no one's got anything else , everybody good , that was perfect , all right . So that's it . So always remember folks .
Uh , in addition to all that , my star warriors , if no one does anything nice for you , do something nice to yourself , and we're gonna see you next season as we discuss season five , and I am so , so looking forward to it . So , all right take care , we'll see you guys in a couple weeks , maybe , whenever I get this posted . Yeah , alright , bye , bye you .