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That was , that was a dark day . That was a dark day for the galaxy and for the Republic . All right . Coming up this week , palpatine pulling strings , and is Anakin inching closer to the dark side . It's the clone wars season four , episodes 15 , 16 , 17 , and 18, . Right here on your Star Wars Safe Space . There we go .
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Um , and , of course , today we are discussing season 4 , episode 15 , 16 , 17 and 18 , a very , very cool little arc where we see obi-wan going undercover as a bounty hunter to try and foil a plot to kidnap and ransom off chancellor palpatine . And , uh , there was , there was a lot going on in this arc . That was a great arc , great story arc .
Um , we had obi-an having to fake his death , obviously because he has plot armor . I think we all knew that he wasn't actually dead , of course , but it was very interesting that Anakin was not brought in on this and we're going to circle back around to that .
But my first question that I want to ask the crew here is should the jedi council have told anakin from the start like , should like , at the very least like they like , like obi-wan said ? You know he needed an Anakin to sell it . He needed Anakin to not know to sell it so that Hardeen would believe it and buy it .
But could they at least have told him when Obi-Wan was getting his plastic surgery done ? Or did the council and Obi-Wan make the right choice ? Tony , what do you think ?
I think they should have told him . Um , I mean , obviously you know , like obi-wan was correct in that , don't tell him as it's happening , but like once it's done . Yeah , he needs to know because I mean he very easily could have fucked that whole shit up like he's got a bit of a time , if will be if will be one .
Didn't grab him like he didn't and you know , basically give the game away like , yeah , he like he would have fucked some shit . That could have been a wrap that could have been a wrap .
That could have been a wrap . But you know what , anakin ? Anakin kind of got his ass handed to him quite a bit during this arc . I mean he was , he was getting beat up , I mean he got . I mean he got , he got zapped . He was unconscious . He was on his back more often in this arc than I think we've ever seen him uh so far . Uh , he was really .
He was really eating the humble pie this time around . So crash , what do you think uh was the ? Was the council right in , uh , keeping him out of the loop , or should they have , like , clued him in a little bit ?
I . I agree that it helped sell the initial death moment , but afterwards I really think that and this is a precursor for what we'll see later on where Anakin's mistrust of the Council that Palpatine exploits they sort of brought it on themselves .
You could have easily brought him in after the funeral and just said hey , he's doing an undercover thing , play it cool . Because even Ahsoka at the funeral was like my boy ain't right . He hasn't said a word since it happened .
I'm worried about Anakin .
I think this record set an episode for nervous looks by Ahsoka . Every time Anakin just went wanted to go postal on somebody , whether it was at the diner or , uh , the good morning , you know . On on now , Huda , yeah , it was just like he was off the leash and Ahsoka is just there going , Okay .
But he's still . He's still restrained himself , and I , I thought , I thought that was when he first grabbed hardeen , who was , of course , was obi-wan at the time , when he was passed out in the back room .
Anakin could have sauced him right then and there yeah but he said the man you killed wanted you to go to jail he was trying to be the better man for the memory of his master .
And then when the council , especially once they took the bounty off and it felt like a betrayal of we're not going to bring this guy to justice for killing my master , I could see the strains on the relationship between Anakin and the council forming already and , like I said , you know so , yeah , my favorite moment was when they intercepted them on the ships and
, like you said , anakin's taking a beating because he's trying to take on three guys and he's in over his head and you can see Obi-Wan literally like trying to throw the game a little bit so he doesn't get Anakin killed . And it was just Anakin kept walking into punches because he wasn't , his head , wasn't in the game until Obi-Wan told him who he was .
And that's something while Sherry and I were watching it , you know , we we kind of saw that , as powerful as Anakin is , you know one thing about Anakin that seems to be different than other people who are , you know , going down the dark path is that the dark side doesn't give him focus . It makes him even more of a loose cannon than he already is .
I mean , he becomes almost , and he already is . I mean he becomes almost Darth Maul Savage , like not quite to Maul's level .
But you know when , during the duel between him and Dooku , I mean there's no style and Dooku's easily handling him , initially , you know , at first Dooku's handling him because anakin's just enraged and there is no form , there is no focus . But then then he I mean there's a .
There was a scene it was towards the end of the fight where dooku has got like this chair up and anakin pushes him back and the look on on dooku's face is like oh shit , oh shit , this motherfucker is serious and he is powerful . And of course Papa Palpatine is just grinning like a fucking fox in a hen house , like yeah , that's my boy .
This was a test . We always talk about Papa Palpatine . I love this whole kidnapping plot . Dooku may have been the ringleader of it , but obviously Palpatine knew of the plot . He probably orchestrated their side to make it easy for them .
The balls of Count Dooku sit there in the Theed Palace in the dining room Chilling , just chilling , and knowing that they're're gonna come right to him , I was like you , crafty little bastard , like I know you're in on both . Palpatine's got it in on both sides and this was a the first . Okay , whoever wins , I win . If Anakin kills Dooku , I win .
If Dooku kills Anakin he wasn't ready I win it's , absolutely it's absolutely it's a no lose situation for for Palpy .
So now let me ask you this this entire , this entire situation here , this entire plot , what was the purpose ? Was this specifically all masterminded and and orchestrated to drive wedges between Anakinakin and obi-wan and the council ? Was it designed to push him a little bit closer to the dark side ?
Or was it orchestrated to maybe show the ineptitude of the council or or some ? Was it something else , like what do you guys think was ? Because really it accomplished seemingly nothing . It seemed like it was pointless . We know that Palpatine orchestrated the entire thing , but why ? That's what I'm curious about . Tony , what are your thoughts on that ?
I mean , I think you hit on it . I think , from Palpatine's point of view , the biggest thing was driving a wedge between Anakin and the Council , giving him that sense of distrust that he could then continue to manipulate until the time was right Now . To be honest , I don't think they did a very good job of showing it in the episodes .
I'm still a little confused as to how much Palpatine knew about Obi-Wan going undercover to begin with , like obviously he eventually figures it out , right . But I don't know that he was aware that the Jedi Council was doing that , because it sounded like he and Yoda and Mace were at odds about that particular part of it .
But once it was in place , and especially once he knew that they didn't tell anakin his , his immediate response was okay .
This is how I'm going to use this to my advantage okay , so you're saying that you know maybe palpatine , you know he orchestrated this , you know this kidnapping plot for some other reason . But then you know , you know Palpy being Palpy , he was able to quickly pivot and , like you said , use it to his advantage .
But I mean also who knows how long you know Obi-Wan was bugged , at least from the time that he received that sniper rifle .
Right .
But who's to say ? Who's to say that Palpatine doesn't have devices hidden all over the fucking Jedi temple ? Doesn't have devices hidden all over the fucking jedi temple ? I mean , there could be , he could just know everything , like always , at all times . True , crash , what do you ? What do you think ? What do you think about this ?
I . I think it was a case where , like I said , the council was reacting to a plot , but I think palpatine was playing both sides of it . You know the security plan had to be approved by him . You know he's got Captain Rex , you know , while Anakin's off , you know , chasing down Obi-Wan's murderer , he's got Rex chaperoning him . So clearly .
Rex was a bro . Rex was a bro , even the mace , even the mace and Yoda . He was like sorry , sir , I can't tell you that yoda .
He was like sorry , sir , I can't tell you that . Yeah , brett is the bro and I think you know again , he's obviously instructing dooku on how to proceed because cad bane was one of his boys . We've seen him in past episodes . That palpatine had a direct line to cad bane for , for jobs , yep .
So , however , dooku and cad bane get teamed up and we haven't't even touched the fact that the middle part of this arc was a great case study in the world of bounty hunters .
The box episode , I think , is the best episode of the three because you see what the world of bounty hunters , outside of Jango Fett , there's people out there , just you know , trying to earn a living doing this thing and they get sucked into this plot . But of course , schmuck Bane saw us just for his hat . I was like , oh , come on .
And you know what ? I love that ? Because that is so Bane , that is so Cad
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Bane . But to be honest , I liked his new hat better .
And , like Ahsoka said , who else wears a hat ?
that way and she was just so disgusted by it , like who else wears a hat like that ? And I didn't like the hat . It looked like he was going to go plant heirloom tomatoes in a garden somewhere . I liked the other one . It had like the cool greeblies on it . It had a little range finder on it , a little antenna .
I was like all right , that's kind of cool . His outfit was kind of dorky but that hat was freaky smooth . I kind of want that hat for my .
Yeah , that is one of my notes .
What was in your notes , Tony ?
It's . One of my notes in these episodes was I don't ever want to see cat bane without a hat , like I don't . I don't know if it's just the shape of his head or what , but like when he is not wearing a hat , he looks like a nothing . Like he looks like a weak , ineffectual nothing .
But he puts the hat on , it's like okay , yeah , he's a badass , yeah and now he's .
Now he's that gunslinger , but without without it . He just has this big old five head . It's not even a forehead , he's just got this big giant dome . But you know , yeah , because then he just looks like any other Duros out there that we've seen , but he's a bad dude . He's a bad dude and I can't remember the name of the actor . Now it's gone .
It was in my brain , it's evaporated . Corey Burton , yeah , he does . The voice of Captain .
He does Dooku and Captain .
Yeah , when I was watching the credits I saw that role . I was like holy crap , james is doing Hardeen and Obi-Wan , and then what's the other guy's name ?
Corey Burton .
Corey Burton and these are like extremely different types of characters and it just shows you the amount of talent that Dave pulled together to make this work , because it's just so good , it's just so good and this is a fun arc for james , I think , because a lot like you said he played oh , he's played obi-wan since the start of the series , but a lot of
actors in this show and dave troney , dave feloni always describes it as his trust tree . You know the people he brings in .
Yeah , this was the episode where james kind of and he's done it a couple of times , but in d bradley does it every episode but you get to explore a different character through a different voice , even though you're playing the same guy , like I love the whole face off .
You know , oh , just swallow this thing and your voice magically sound like the guy and I'm sure for an actor like james that's just like candy right and it's cool because he also in in in the episode .
Uh , when he reports back , you know , he says I'm rather enjoying playing the villain and I , you know , and and obi-wan said that as hardeen . But I wonder if that was really james like admitting that as well , like james is , like he's , he's enjoying playing the bad guy .
But and it was cool because it was , you know , as I was listening , you know , even though he was doing hardeen's voice , he still had obi-wan's like tone and different inflections and his little , his little sarcasm that he has . So I thought that was really cool .
So I like how his code name was ben and yes , yes , oh , interesting fact about that you probably already know um , that was supposed to have been initially ben , was supposed to have been the affectionate pet name um , between satine and and obi-wan , like that was going to be her little pet name for him . But uh , feloni was like I didn't seem right .
And then the writers for this episode said hey , can we use it as his code name , which just made sense because that carries over as his codename later on , as we see .
I know a little something about having an alias that people know you by . So , yeah , I thought that was a little masterclass in a little bit of Obi-Wan's psyche During business hours . It's Obi-Wan Kenobi Off hours . It's Ben Wan Kenobi off hours . It's Ben .
It's Ben yeah , or or it's just that that is the code name that he uses . So when he's undercover , like he was on Tatooine all those years he was , he was Ben Kenobi . Of course , no relation to Obi-Wan Kenobi . Kenobi is apparently just a very it's like Smith . It's a very common galactic name , I guess .
And of course , we do see Satine and Mon Mothma at his funeral and I feel bad . I feel like when Satine finds out that it was all just a ruse , I feel like she smacked the shit out of him . I feel like she would that hurt ?
We know they've been teasing their relationship so far . Right , they have a past and you know padme's been there for with anakin , you know for since forever and it's but it's for to have satine , you know , brought in immediately like , yeah , I don't think this was like a .
It's not like when the pope dies and they go through a week , or I mean obi-wan dies , they had , they must have had the funeral , like the next day and just and for her to like come in last minute notice for her dear friend , boyfriend funeral had to be gut-wrenching yeah , I mean and then to find out it's all fake and find out it's all fake .
But I , but at the same time I feel like for satine being a politician , I think initially she'd have some words for her , her dear , her dear Obie , but I think she would get it . I think , of of all all of the women in his life , I think she would , she would be the one that that would get it , because I'm sure that she's .
You know , she understands the , the role of political intrigue . I mean , she herself has had to go undercover once or twice . So I mean , yeah , I think she gets it . I I want to talk a little bit , just briefly , about Ahsoka , because you had mentioned Ahsoka . You know , her , her looks like like geez , annie , geez , oh my God , master , what are you doing ?
But despite all of that , there was , there was a scene that I felt was very powerful .
I don't know , maybe it was just more more me than than maybe it was meant to be , but , um , when they were on nal hudda , and again and again he gets on his back , but you know , he gets this time he gets choked out , he gets put to sleep by obi-wan , you know , and she , she didn't say shit , she was just like the love , like that's not just a padawan
protecting her master , that's , that's familial love . I mean , that is , maybe I'm overreacting , I don't know . What do you guys think about that ? I don't know .
I thought that scene was just beautiful thoughts no no , I was like tony , you got one so I mean , I that that scene is definitely in my notes too , and I , first off , like it seems pretty clear to me that that happened after she did her training with rex and his boys , because , like I mean , this is going against cad bane and presumably two other people ,
but you know , at the moment cad bane's the only one actually shooting at her , but she is like she's not blinking an eye , she's just deflecting every last shot back and like I know cat says , like you're , you know , you're lucky that we got to get out of here . And I'm like , no , I think you guys are lucky right now .
Like she would fuck you up because she's gone . This is not the first time that she's she . She's gone toe to toe with Bane , you know , and this was this was different , though .
Well , you know , I call my sister snips because of our relationship and when Ahsoka came I was like that , that that snarkiness , that banter that's us .
And I remember when this episode came out , we were watching it together and ahsoka went into beast mode and I just looked at snips and went that's how you fight , if I ever go down that is how you cry because that was just a great ahsoka moment where you know she still is a friend but you can see their relationship growing almost to equals .
Like Obi-Wan and Anakin were towards the later end of his training , where they're not student teacher , it's their brothers , and with Anakin and Ahsoka , the brother sister . And when the brother went down the sister just went savage .
She really did Like and it was , it was so powerful because she didn't , she didn't try to attack she was total defend mode totally . She was in fuck around and find out mode . She was like you know what , you guys , come , fuck around , fuck around and find out what's gonna happen . I , two weeks ago , I decapitated four mandalorians . Bring it , bring it .
I got something for you and I got two of them for you . Oh , my god , and you know what ? And it's like this . This particular scene is is one of the reasons that I I feel that rosario dawson captures that side of ahsoka just so well . You know she just captures that mature , grown Ahsoka , but she still has that level of loyal ferocity you know where .
She will obliterate anything and anyone in her path in order to do what's right .
And when you see her fight , you see rosario fighting hayden in the in the the other world sequences , there's a little bit of that . You can see that , like she , she can go to toe to toe . You know , anakin's a tank , he's a . He swings for the fence and she can give just as well as he can and it's .
It's also interesting to see that as as there , they are very , very quickly almost becoming equals . And I think anakin especially now in season four anakin is is really coming to trust her more , to to rely on her more , and she's almost becoming for lack of a better term a caregiver to him . She's there to keep him out of trouble .
You know , I mean , how many times have we heard , you know , hey , keep an eye on Anakin . You know , I mean , it's not just Obi-Wan . And you know , mace and Yoda , I mean other people have said , hey , keep an eye on Anakin . You know , make sure he doesn't . You know , and yoda , I mean , other people have said , hey , keep an eye on him again .
You know , make sure he doesn't . You know , but and she and she does it like without hesitation , without a second thought , and it's just such a beautiful relationship and it just gets me choked up because I know what's coming and it just it hurts my heart anyway moving on . Moving on , um , a couple of standout moments .
I want to know what your standout moments are . I had a couple um one this night the uh uh , the size noodles I can't talk the size noodles cameo where she's coming out of the bar . I I still just I love size noodles because she just continues to live her best life . I thought that was just great .
And the other we had a boba fett cameo which was a little awkward . Why do we have a child in prison with with grown folks ?
I maybe the republic's a little more loosey about that sort of thing , but it just seemed odd to me that that you've got this young , this adolescent youngster , in prison and also who's are some of the clones on the take , because we have those two clone troopers .
Bring hardeen to go and see what's his name in Cad Bane and then he called for them to take him away . So , like you know , the guy was like yeah , I have a lot of influence in here . Does he have influence over the clone troopers ?
Well , again Palpatine's orchestrating the plot to kidnap himself . I could imagine he has . Especially , I've always felt like and I have no canon back to basis but the Red branded yeah they're the Imperial groupers , yeah . They're always around Palpatine .
I don't know if that's his private detachment or whatever , but when I saw them running the prison , my first thought was okay , these guys are in on it . You know they're there to keep the prisoners in place . But I have a feeling you get the right prison guard and all of a sudden this place is Shawshank .
Right .
The crooks are on the inside and you think about it that way .
Even some of their brothers getting sauced in the escape attempt didn't matter to them yeah , yeah , and it's like you , we , you know , we , we like to think that the clone troopers are all you know of , of good moral fiber and incorruptible , but they're still all they're humans , and I think we've , we've , we've pretty well established that , that that we can
consider them human , with all the same strengths and weaknesses , um , but I , I agree , I think you have , you have a great point there . I think that you know these , the imperial , well , not the imperial , but the , uh , the senate , well , they're not , they're not even the senate ones , but uh , I know they become the imperial .
You know they're , uh , you know the red ones , the red guys , yeah , um , they're taking orders , maybe directly from palpatine himself .
So if he was like , yeah , let this guy go see this guy , they're gonna be like , you know , you got it , sir , and then so they might not be on the take , maybe necessarily , but uh , they're just following orders , right , but could they be on the take ?
Maybe necessarily , but uh , they're just following orders , right , but could they be on the take , do you think ? I mean , could they be ? I think ?
that problem ? Yeah , I don't know we can be .
Uh , I mean , you know , I mean we see it , you know , that's not that we , like you know you talk about too much , but I mean we see it in , you know , in prisons , in our current reality where , like you know , yeah , there are some people who are underpaid and and will take advantage of getting a kickback or whatever from the criminal elements on the inside
to let them get away with certain shit . So , I mean , you know , in the greater aspect of things , does it make you wonder a little bit ? Yeah , but I wasn't surprised by it .
All right , that's fair , I do . I wonder now are they just following orders from their superiors , or are some of them taking bribes ? I don't know .
Well , you remember , slick betrayed his own unit on Christophsis , betrayed his own unit on Christophsis . I think it's fully possible that there could be a couple clones , a handful of clones , a batch of clones that are for lack of a better term on the take with the criminal element , because to them , what's the point ?
We're bred as these disposable soldiers for this war we didn't start , and if somebody's offering them a chance at maybe getting out of this life , maybe that's a very tempting offer for some .
Yeah , very true , because they are . We do see how the clones , they do become disillusioned . They do question orders , not directly , butusioned . They do question orders , not directly , but amongst themselves they do question orders . They're still driven by the sense of loyalty and brotherhood and honor and they have their codes .
Um , but the uh on , um Umbara , when we've got fives and Rex talking about it , the clones in the background , we're starting to take sides amongst themselves .
You know , they were questioning , you know , krell's bullshit not to him directly , of course , because they're still there's , they're , they're still struggling with the fact that they want to be good soldiers , but they're starting to realize that they're , that there's more to life than just that .
I , like I , I love how , how this , this series , shows the complexity of the clones . It's not just , they're not droids , they're . You know , they've got feelings and thoughts and emotions , and some of them have dreams . Some of them may want a life after the war .
They question , when the war is over , what happens to us , you know , and I can't imagine what that would be like , you know , for these men who are giving it all literally , and then to consider that one day their shelf life is going to reach its expiration date . And then what happens ? Where do we go ? What are they going to do with us ?
Are we expendable ? We know we're expendable on the battlefield , but when the war is won , what happens to us , you know , and that's got to be , it's got to be pretty anxiety producing for them , you know .
Oh yeah , I mean we do know that some of them go on to become trainers in the stormtrooper corps , but , um , but not certainly not all of them , you know . So , man , I love this show .
It's got so many layers .
It's got so many layers , um . So the big thing I wanted to talk about too was this the stuff that's going on between an Palpatine and the Jedi council . You've got Jedi arrogance and lies and manipulation alongside Palpatine's manipulations and lies , and in this arc we saw him being just especially slimy and just really getting that disinformation out there .
It's like oh , I can't believe they don't trust you and you know , it's just , he's just planting these little poisonous seeds . So , given all of this , do you think that anakin ever had a chance of not going to the dark side ? I mean , was it at this point ? Is it just inevitable ? Forget what we know about ?
You know his future , but at this point , is he fighting because he fights to be good ? We see that that struggle in him , but is it pointless ? Like , does he have a chance at all to not turn to the dark side ? What do you guys think ?
So , as somebody who has not seen anything beyond what we have discussed , I think the only real chance that he had that he would have had to not end up as Vader .
Is this something similar to what we know ends up happening to Ahsoka happened to him If he just , if something happened to make him just walk away from the order of Period , right , maybe he could have had a life and not have become Vader . But so long as he is a Jedi , he is doomed to that path . Hmm .
Crash . What do you think ?
There's a great line from one of the books the more recent current canon books , I like it goes like that it it matters which side we choose . I don't turn towards the light because it means someday I'll win some sort of cosmic game . I turn toward it because it is the light and that was said by qui-gon jinn and I think that exemplifies .
You know , they always refer to that fight in Phantom Menace as the duel of the fates and later they came out and said the duel was for Anakin's fate and I think it just shows that Palpatine , you know , let Maul kill . Qui-gon had to die . Qui-gon would have been the perfect master for Anakin . He would have raised him to the light .
He would have raised him the right way , regardless of what the Council thought and did . So you have to kill the good influence , the good little angel on your shoulder , so that the bad little devil on your shoulder can influence you on both sides .
I think that the Jedi we've seen already on this show and we know later on , you know , mace Windu had reservations about trusting Anakin and that led to things .
Yeah .
But it shows that the council screwed up in not trusting Anakin and lying to Anakin Just almost as much as Palpatine lying to Anakin , just almost as much as Palpatine lies to Anakin and manipulates Anakin , and I think it's the two sides playing him the wrong way that lead him down this path . I agree with Tony .
The only way he even had a chance of not becoming Vader would have been to leave the Order and just go off with Padme and have babies and live a life . But I don't know if that would have been enough . I think he needed a good role model , like Qui-Gon Jinn Obi-Wan tried . He even says I was wrong , I tried to train him , just like you know .
You know I was wrong . Qui-gon , I think , would have been the only one that could have kept anakin on the straight and narrow and that's why he had to die yeah , but I think qui-gon would have had to leave with anakin .
I don't think that he could have trained and raised anakin properly in that environment . I think that he would have been stopped or stymied by the council . Palpatine would have continued to manipulate Like they would .
The two of them would have had to , like straight up , dipped out to Tatooine and been cave hermits there and studied , you know , in in the living force and and then maybe when , when Anakin was ready , then come back and assume his role as the Chosen One , because under the influences that were there currently , that was , I don't know Tony .
So I agree with your sentiment . That being said , I think Qui-Gon and another reason why he had to go I think Qui-Gon's the one person who would have eventually seen through Palpatine . Oh , I think Qui-Gon and another reason why he had to go . I think Qui-Gon's the one person who would have eventually seen through Palpatine .
Oh , I agree 100% , no doubt about it . I don't think necessarily Qui-Gon would have had to dip out .
I think it would have ended up being Qui-Gon and Anakin versus Palpatine , and that would have been the battle yeah , eventually , as opposed to mace versus palpatine , right without getting on the sideline but it would have had to come 10 years later though , at least you know , or maybe even more , maybe 20 years later , but yeah , I agree , that would have been a
hell of a fight . That would have been a hell of a fight . So then I mean , really , if you think about it , that wasn't and I'm assuming that palpatine knows that as well . So qui-gon being killed was more of an assassination than anything else like that .
That may have been palpatine's plan the entire time , like we're gonna get rid of qui-gon , this person who would be his , would be anakin's anchor you know would have been . You know that , that , that that touchstone for him . So we need to assassinate this guy .
I forget where I heard it , which , if it , which book which ? But I think there were there was . There've been sort of rumblings that palpatine saw qui-gon as a threat yeah , more so than the Jedi Order as a whole .
But because Qui-Gon had a different philosophy about the Force and everything that didn't necessarily play into Palpatine's manipulation , he saw above the BS .
Yeah , You're right , because he wasn't blinded by arrogance .
Exactly .
He didn't have that arrogance to just just think that he knows he's right , right just because I'm a jedi , that means I am all wise and all knowing and I know what's best because the will of the force tells me . So you know , and it's , it's almost like the difference between like , uh , like , a conservative christian and a buddhist .
You know , it's like , you know , you've got that , that attitude , and you've got that arrogance on one side , but then on the other side you've got that , that , that , that vision , that sight , you know , that clarity that allows you crash , like you said , to see above and beyond all the bullshit .
You know , to cut through and to really examine the force for what it is . And and we see that by qui-gon coming back you know and then teaching the others how to come back . You know that's , that's powerful . I mean you talk about a pure connection to the force . I mean that guy had it , man why is my boy ? qui-gon man .
He was oh , so good , so good I'm . I wish we could have gotten more . Hopefully we'll get more . I'd love to see more in like another , like tales of the jedi , and see more of qui-gon coming up and the tales of jedi was great with the way they , you know , interspersed little connections I love .
One of my favorite episodes in that whole thing was when Qui-Gon runs into Yaddle and Dooku at the elevator . Yeah , which , again , you know , I know you're big on talking about these things in a timeline order . That was a glue moment .
Phantom Menace there were gaps in the story because we go to other places and we see other things To show Qui-Gon while he was alive , knowing that he was in the temple , while young Anakin was in there and going through the test and all this .
It just sort of adds that extra layer of nuance to the story where it's not just about where the camera's pointing in the movie . There's things happening off to the side and there's other branches in this story that are happening , that are relevant , that you can tell later on . In a show like Tales that just adds so much more depth to it .
I love Reistow's Howard Yaddle adds so much more depth to it . I love , you know , Rice Stiles . Howard Yaddle adds so much to what was just a background Muppet in the movie . Right .
And ended up giving her not just a voice but a very important story . You know you're talking about all this connective tissue , you know , and she was a big part of that . I mean she because of Yaddle .
We actually got to feel for Dooku for a moment and see his conflict and see his regret and his hesitation to do these things , but he's twisted by that version of the greater good .
And it was so easy to write . Yeah , christopher Lee is , was is a great actor , was a great actor and it was so easy to write . Christopher Lee was a great actor
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and we all know him from Lord of the Rings and all the Dracula movies . It was really easy to write off his character as like the spooky Sith character .
But to see that there was a conflict in him and , I dare I say , a little bit of justification in the episode when him and Mace are investigating and Mace gets the promotion and he gets turned aside , you almost kind of go . That's where Palpatine got at him .
Oh , 100% , that was the plot armor that he dug under and said hey , the Jedi Order screwed you , come with me and we'll fix the galaxy , we'll make it right .
Well , and Palpatine is great about'll , we'll make it right . Well , and , and his and Palpatine is great about this . But using someone's pain against them and that was something that I really liked from tales as well is seeing um Duke , who was hurt by the passing of Qui-Gon Jinn .
I mean , he , he , he's very stoic , you know he , he's very stoic , you know he's . He is count dooku , he is that guy . But man , you felt it . You , you felt that he felt that loss and I think that was another chink in his armor that palpatine was able to exploit which is yet another reason why qui-gon had to go .
I mean , if qui-gon hadn't gone , palpatine might have not gotten Dooku . Man what ?
if you know this thing , we could talk about what ifs all day . But what if ? What if Dooku and Qui-Gon had both trained Anakin like , and then the three of them went after Palpatine like whoo ?
yeah , yeah , I'd be done .
I can't imagine that . That would be a hell of a fight .
That would be a hell of a fight , but I mean a reality where Dooku , qui-gon , obi-wan and Anakin are all on the same side . That's a wrap .
Yeah , that's a wrap . I mean , whoever's coming towards you , it's a wrap .
And not to get too far ahead . But Ahsoka . Hugh Yang tells Ahsoka she comes from a very unusual line of Jedi Dooku's part of that chain .
He trains Qui-Gon , and Qui-Gon trains over , and you go on and on , but it's just again the potential of that branch that , had it not been broken off by Palpatine's manipulating it , yeah , it could have drastically changed the story and it's just amazing .
It's amazing to see all these threads and how everything is so connected through the force and how palpatine is just out there , like , like um , what is it like in greek mythology , the fates with you know pulling threads and snipping threads and you know weaving different threads together , and palpatine's doing that , I mean , and he's doing it with master strokes and
it's just . If he wasn't such an asshole it would be a pleasure to watch him work . But man , man , fuck you guy . I mean you Palpatine shit . He's just so kind of reminds me of somebody else .
Yeah .
Current history . But anyway we'll get it because you know , politics has no place in star Wars . I've been , I've actually been seeing that a lot on like on social media , in different forums , different groups . They're like keep politics out of star wars . I don't know , it's like you , dumb motherfucker .
Star wars is politics like morality tales are about politics and doing . You know , it's literally are you doing right or are you doing wrong ? And guess what , if you find yourself on the wrong side , you can , you can't , you can't excuse it with , just say , well , your politics are different . No , there's a great lot of social media .
I mean , you know , we don't . I don't disagree with you about politics . I disagree with you about morality , yeah , and there's just things that are right and wrong and how we , we live our lives and we go back . You know , do we choose , like I said , do we choose the light because it's the light or do you choose something else because of your politics ?
And Palpatine plays people's politics to get them to not choose the light , and it's just it's .
It's . It's interesting too because when we look at Star Wars throughout the years , especially the original trilogy , you know George was very political . You know the original trilogy , the very first Star Wars film , it is a cautionary tale . It is a cautionary tale to help us recognize what fascism looks like . It's to help us recognize what fascism looks like .
It's to help us recognize what a dictatorship looks like . There's a reason why the empire was based off of certain real life elements and why the Rebel Alliance was based off of the Viet Cong . As we grew up watching Vietnam war movies and things like that , you know here in the us the vietcong were considered the bad guys . You know I grew up with that .
You know watching vietnam war movies . They're the bad guys . You know our boys are the good guys . But in the grand scheme of things , you know they were a ragtag group of individuals defending their homeland against a superior colonizing force .
So it's like oh man , it's , it's very , it's very complicated .
It's like you don't , you know , my , my uncle , was a vietnam war veteran . You know , and you know I , I , I can't , I can't , you know , and as a veteran myself , I can't not thank him for his service and his sacrifice .
A lot of our boys went over there , not of their own , free will , by the way , as we know , many , many , many people that went to uh participate in that , uh , that conflict . They were drafted . You know , join the army or go to jail , go down range . Join the army or go to jail , go down range . Go to Vietnam or go to jail .
You know that was , that was a choice they had . They didn't want to be there , you know , but it was , but we . That's the thing . That's what star Wars is showing us .
Star Wars is showing us that the empire , from George's vision , from his point of view , that was kind of the US , that was kind of the US Empire at the time , and our plucky band of rebels , that was . I mean , he even said that George has come out to say that he based the rebels off the Viet Cong . So it's Star Wars is politics .
You can't have Star Wars without politics and lightsabers . You just can't . It just doesn't happen .
And the same is true with Clone Wars . Dave's doing some masterful storylines in the political realm . The Ryloth arc was about liberating local people but also a fear of being exploited by your liberators , and we're going to get a little not to get too ahead of the game , but we're going to see a little taste of that later in Bad Batch .
Oh , and there's even more to come in Rebels .
Yeah , you guys were talking last season , that was Lux Von Terry . When they go to the Separatist capital , not everybody's a big fan of the Republic and they got some legitimate beefs .
They do . They do so it's the While with George there is , there are clearly defined lines between light and dark , but it's not always clear who the good guys are and who the bad guys are . You know it's like Yoda said it's always you know , or an Obi-Wan you know . It's always from a certain point of view , you know it .
It just it just depends , you know . And even even with George and we hear that we hear that great line , line you know , in the prequels , where obi-wan says only a sith deals in absolutes .
You know there are really no absolutes and that's why the sith fail and that's why the jedi fail , because they kind of pigeonhole themselves into these absolute light and dark sides and that doesn't work for any of them . Ever like it never works out , like you adhere to the , to the light side . That didn't work out .
You must adhere to the dark side that didn't work out , because now we got the rule too and and one of them is going to kill the other one , that's just like no , that doesn't work . And then we see , then we see ahsoka , ahsoka's walking that middle path . We see much , much later on it's not canon anymore . But we see the Imperial Knights .
They're neither light nor dark . They serve the Fel Empire , but their lightsabers are white , they're neutral , and all that and you know , these are the things that I think george really wanted us to understand is that you know , you find that middle ground . You know you , you walk that middle path .
You know there's , there's light and dark in all of us , you know , and we , we , we get to see more of that in in rebels , and rebels gets deep , rebels gets deep , and I haven't seen all of it . So I'm looking forward to it . We've still got three .
We've still got three seasons of clone wars to knock out , and then we're going to be diving into rebels , and I'm really looking forward because I haven't seen all of rebels in its entirety , like you know , back to back to back . So I'm definitely looking forward to that . Um , do you guys have anything ?
I've got . I've got a few notes here that we didn't go over yet . Let's do it . First off , another counter on the lame naming of bad guy characters for Moralo Eval .
That's his name .
Just a terrible name . Just a terrible name . Secondly , I don't recall seeing this character before , but I want to see more of them . Embo , oh yeah , we've seen him before . I wasn't sure . He reminded me of one of the characters from one of the episodes from one of the last seasons where there was a band of bounty hunters .
I wasn't sure if that was the same character or not . It is .
It was a very Seven Samurai type of episode where the bandits were coming after the town he was one of the bounty hunters that the locals hired to fend off Hondo's gang .
He became an instant beast mode Captain America with a hat . I remember when they first introduced him and everybody was like this is going to be . There's always that fan thing of who's the new fan favorite going to be , and there was a stretch where , with Clone Wars , embo was going to be the guy you know , the new Boba Fett , the new boba fett , the new .
I know we didn't get much of him .
We only got a few , a few times with him , but he's so cool yeah , great character like he's like . He's like captain america , like he did that little slide , he was like using his hat as a sled and as a shield and he's just a bad dude , he , because he's got those samurai vibes and so it was perfect to have him in that episode .
That was based on the seven samurai and we see that again in the Mandalorian the TV series . I think it's the first season when him and Cara , when when Dan and Cara go to that little town with the blue shrimp and they teach them how to how to fight and all that . That's another seven samurai theme , but of course that's Star Wars .
Star Wars is based off of Akira Kurosawa films and all that fun stuff .
So what else you got ? And then the . And then the last big note that I have here is it's just , it's a plot hole , that that leads to some other questions . What exactly was the plan for the original , for the real reiko Hardeen ? Okay , so the Jedi caught him pretty quickly , knocked him out , made Obi-Wan into him , but then just left his body laying there .
What was the plan ? No , they took him , because then Obi-Wan finds him , turns him into other clones who would presumably go wait , we already have this guy in custody . What the fuck ? But that didn't happen . So either they were on the take and knew about the plane , even though , even though anakin didn't , or what , or they're just not asking questions .
They're like oh , it's the jedi again , let's just take him . Oh , no , but , but hardeen is in guantanamo bay right now . That's . I mean , that's as I don't know what happens to him . I haven't looked it up and I don't want to look it up , I don't . I mean , I kind of do , but I I don't know if we see him again .
I don't think we , they may have , they may have held him at the jedi temple . We saw an acolyte that they , you know they had detention cells of their own .
And that would make sense . Except if they were going to do that , why not do that there ? Why was he left for Anakin to find ?
What if ?
Anakin didn't find him .
That was Obi-Wan . They had already made the switch . That was Obi-Wan because Anakin took him to jail . So when he was found drunk , that was already Obi-Wan had . Or , yeah , anakin took him to jail . So when , when he was found drunk , that was , that was already .
Oh , okay , all right , in that case , nevermind , I , I thought that was like , I thought that was two separate things .
No , no but you're not . You're also not wrong . We don't . We don't really get any closure on Hardeen , on the real guy , like where is he ? It's just like , oh well , fuck that dude , we don't care . Because , uh yeah , we don't . I don't know . I'm sure it's on a wiki , somewhere it's on wikipedia . I'm sure we can look it up .
But , um , at the moment I don't know what happened to that guy .
Maybe we'll see some more of him . I don't recall ever seeing him ever again um I mean , presumably you wouldn't , unless you know he's yet another one that that they managed to escape from prison . But you know he's in , he's yet another one that they managed to let escape from prison .
He's in some intergalactic Gitmo right now . He's somewhere in Guantanamo Bay on the Outer Rim . That's where they got him . They put him in the deepest , darkest place because they can't have him talking , and that was kind of my thing Again .
I didn't realize that they had already made the switch and that person that Anakin found was not actually . I thought Anakin found the actual Hardeen after they'd made the switch , I thought they did whatever and just left him to rot , as opposed to getting rid of him and replacing him right then and there no , they took his ass out of circulation .
They needed to . Well , that makes sense .
But and also I'm wondering if that because , uh , anakin does mention feeling a connection and once it's revealed who obi-wan is , you know , I'm wondering if he felt it in that room , which is why he didn't really fucking go go ham on this guy , because maybe he felt something was there you think his midichlorians were kind of like hold up , hold up maybe .
Oh , and speaking of midichlorians , when uh hardeen goes into the bar and that girl at the bar was like I'd like to check his midichlorian count , that was like such a corny line , like really like everybody knows about midichlorians , I really thought that it was kind of just like a jedi like thing , but um , I guess any random chick at a bar knows all about
midichlorian counts and I guess that's uh a test of virility , I suppose she wanted a little force in her .
That's all right . Right , oh nice .
Maybe she's into the force choking . I don't know . I don't know . I'm pretty sure Padme is , because she's a dummy mommy with her breakups . We'll talk about that though later , because that was terrible . It was terrible .
All right , crash , you got anything , we kind of bookmarked around it , but I want to know what you guys thought about the episode with the box challenge , because I thought that was the best of the art we really didn't talk about that , did we ?
And just from , like I said , from the fact that this season was hinted at about being you know , introducing us more to the bounty hunters of the galaxy . I really thought this was a you know , after a story arc like Krell , where it's focused about clones , I thought that was a great the whole plot thing of .
Okay , now we're going to dabble in the lives of bounty hunters and we're going to draw different . It's almost like that classic lineup from Empire Strikes Back where we knew about Bosk and IG-88 .
There was this group of unaffiliated bounty hunters who have to learn how to work as a team and , to your point , I think , obi-wan doing you know , we know the sniper case was miked , but I think just the fact that he was doing so well in the early tests I think that was the first eyebrow raise for Dooku , that something was shady .
And you can see it in his face where he's like , oh , the new guy keeps doing well .
And he keeps saving people , and he keeps saving people .
Because , like they say later on , obi-wan the Jedi can't help themselves . Even Obi-Wan undercover he couldn't let bounty hunters die in a death match , because it's just not in his nature .
That was something that I considered , because when he drops down and finds a pathway underneath , part of my mind is going . Obviously we know Cad Bane's a giant thorn in the side . He's done a lot of bad shit already . We know he's going to do more for sure . Outside of Embo .
I'd never heard of most of the other characters , but again , they're all bounty hunters . They've all done some
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bad shit . All Obi-Wan had to do was not say anything and just crawl away and they'd all be gone right now .
Very true , very true . All away and they'd all be gone right now . Very true , very true . I did feel that um eval was trying a little too hard to kill everybody , because it's like motherfucker , you still need five people for this job you still need a notions team and you're trying to off half of them .
Right , and he's like yeah , don't worry , the next one , we'll definitely kill people . It's like dude , fucking , relax . I mean , you still need some dudes to pull this fucking . Yeah , like you said , it's an oceans movie , it's a . It's a heist , it's a caper . You still need your , your crew and you're letting . You're letting your ego get the better of you .
But I agree , I thought it was a great episode . I like that . It was something different . It was you know we're seeing how the underworld operates . You know just how and how little Dooku thinks of any of these people . You know you're all just tools for me to achieve my master's ambitions , you know , and agendas , so I don't give a fuck who wins .
I just need five of you pieces of shit to go do my job and presumably , if , if you know , I have to imagine that duke's plan was , if more than five survived , somebody was going to get killed .
Yeah , well , like anybody that that was not chosen was going to get killed , because you can't risk , you know , a loose , loose lip well , and they and they said that um , you've all said that .
He said that you know any anyone who's left over ? And you'll be silenced for the protective of the plan right , yeah , so because when they go to the final round , we've got six people and I was like , oh , I feel bad for one of you , um , yes , but I do find it interesting . Um .
Another really good point about this episode , um , is that we we actually get to see some of cad bane's morality yes you know and I thought that was interesting because he's not like this unscrupulous , amoral bastard . He has a code . He wants to fight somebody straight up , he wants to look a Jedi in the eye .
He's not impressed that you just sauced a Jedi with a sniper rifle . You want to impress me ? Do it face to face , toe to toe a jedi with a sniper rifle . You know you want to impress me . Do it face to face , toe to toe . You know you're not going to use all these little , the little tricks from the box to fight this guy .
You're going to do it like a man and he saves obi-wan who he hated the whole time he didn't want to bring him along , he hated him on the trip .
He wanted to ditch him the first time and then , by the time , you know , because obi-wan , you know , by solving the first couple puzzles he saved his ass .
He did , and I think there was a little bit of respect there by cabane and it showed a little bit of weakness in marvel , where it was just like okay , you may be this grand strategist , but you don't have a , you don't have a code , you don't have any honor , even among thieves , right yeah , right , and I think that that's that was interesting .
Cad bane is still very much a bastard and he will still . He'll save your life today and drill you in the gut tomorrow and double cross you for some credits but you'll see it coming and and that's the thing . You may not see the double cross , but you'll see . When he points that , that blaster at your gut and , like he said , fills you full of holes .
So I have I have a a bit more respect for cad bane and he is still , in my opinion , the greatest bounty hunter in the galaxy he like to to date . To date he is still a superior bounty hunter to to boba fett . Boba fett got all the attention , but bane is superior to boba fett in every way if jango had lived , who do you think would be the alpha ?
bane . Okay with , without a doubt , because I I think with the Fets . The Fets are , I don't think that they are necessarily as ruthless . They are both of them , django and Boba alike . They are cool , they are smooth , they are calculating , they are smart . They are . They are cool , they are smooth , they are calculating , they are smart .
They are very , very good at what they do . They also have their codes of honor . Um , whether that comes from a mandalorian code , we still don't know , because we still haven't had any confirmation that j . I mean , we've got a , that that broken chain code , and that's pretty much all we have .
No one has really come out to say that the fango was in the following right , right . So non-canon sources ? Yes , we , we have he . He was in fact a mandalorian , but you know . But anyway , um , I think , at the end of the day , I think cad bane would come out on top . I think that he is . The fets are more noble , if that makes sense .
They're scoundrels , but they have this , they have this sense of nobility about them . They're almost like . They're almost like ronin , I would say . They are masterless samurai , you know they are . They are knights that don't necessarily have , you know , they don't serve a king , you know , but they still have this , this code in some way .
And cad doesn't really have that . You know , he has his own moral code and but it's more his ego . He's like I'm not a little bitch that's gonna snipe someone . You know , I'm the big dog , I'm gonna take you out eye to eye , but I I I did watch last week's episode .
When I was away last week at megacon I did watch the episode . I liked it . You finally a little chink in your armor with Mandalorians . Pre-vizsla Cad Bane's almost pre-Vizsla he doesn't have that code . He does not have that . Pre-vizsla is all about the warrior side of Mandalorian but he doesn't have the balance of the nobility of Mandalorians that others do .
And the thing with pre pre visla , I think he's another one where his intentions were just , but he got lost along the way and straight up became a terrorist . You know , like he , I think the he has a twisted version of the mandalorian code of honor , you know , but it's just . He's so far gone and he's been .
He's been manipulated by dooku and palpatine as well , you know . And the other , and you know , so it's , you know , yeah , so he's , yeah , that guy , fuck that guy . He gets what he gets and I'm happy about that , but fuck that guy .
But at the end of the day , if you're talking about the baddest bounty hunter in the galaxy , it's Cad Bane , 100% , because he's the only one who's still working . You know we and we he's still alive . I know the events at the end of you know the mandalorian , you know he's , he's still kicking that dude's still alive . And boba fett is semi-retired .
You know he's kind of retired into a life of . You know a leisurely crime Lord , just kind of hanging out kicking it . And yeah , it's , you know , interesting . You know , before we wrap up , I've watched um the uh . A couple of days ago I watched the clip with , uh , boba Fett fighting the storm troopers .
When we see him in the Mandalorian and um , first he's you know he's doing it with this gaffy stick , and then he sees his armor inside din's ship , and then we see him again , he's like fully kitted up and he just fucking wrecks everybody and it's like that's the boba fett that everyone wanted . But then we do end up seeing a
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different side of him where it's like , you know he , he did what he had to do in that moment and it's like he did . He's not soft , but he doesn't necessarily want to be that guy anymore . You know , doesn't mean he can't do it Like don't you know he's , don't don't mistake his , his kindness for weakness . You know , don't mistake his kindness for weakness .
Just because he's not going to fucking put a saber dart in your eye right now , that doesn't mean he won't do it later . It'd be interesting to see how Cad Bane would respond to being chucked down a sarlacc for a couple months .
That's a life-altering moment for him .
I will say that had that been Cad in the belly of the beast , he wouldn't have survived . There's no way .
The armor is what saved him , just mentally . You're right , cad Bane , he's still living the life because that's all he knows and that's all he wants . Boba , we're getting way off topic here . I know Bob what wanted out . I think we wanted out maybe because his dad wanted more for him than just being another him right , yeah right .
Boba kind of reminds me like a john wick type character , or it's the . I've had my moments , I've been the badass . I don't want to do that anymore . But if you push me , it's all still there and I will bring it to force yeah , I agree 100 .
I think that at this he's at that point in his life where he's made it . This is like I know a lot of people were upset about . You know , we got to see boba fett in the mandalorian being boba fett , being the fucking hardcore badass that we always knew that he was .
But then in the book of boba fett we see him so much more , I guess , docile , you know , still very capable , of course , but it's just not . He just doesn't want to be that guy anymore . He wants to fucking retire . I think he deserves it . I mean , dude , has gone through some shit .
I just I do hope , and I don't know if it'll happen or not , but I would love , love , love , love to see a scene between boba fett and han solo . I just want , I want to see them in a cantina somewhere . I want to see harrison ford and tem just at a bar , boba fett , han solo , just two old adversaries having a drink , and I don't know .
There's a in one of the books . There's a cool scene like that .
Um well , in one of the books , boba gives him a gauntlet .
He gives him mandalorian weaponry , for you know , because it's like he's , he's , it's like I caught you , but you're still the one that got away , you know . So it was just god .
I would , even if it's a short , even if it's not even a part of anything else , I would just love to see the two of them together in the same scene , sitting at a bar somewhere .
Harrison , if you're watching , because we know you're watching if you could do Red Hulk you could do . We'll do a Tales . Just come and do some voice work .
Tales of the Bounty Hunters . It can be one episode , just the two of them .
No , I want and I know he doesn't want to do it . I want and I know he doesn't want to do it . I want live action . And Harrison , I know he doesn't want it . He's wanted Han Solo dead since Empire Strikes Back . He's wanted him dead and I get it . I understand , harrison , we love you .
But I'm telling you , man Ford Morrison at a bar in their gear gear , just for one scene , even if it's like a post credit scene , just do it Just doing the like .
the dark night rises like across the bar , just like the head nod , you know like okay , it's over .
Even that would be great . Yeah , you know , han raises his glass , fett just does his , his infamous nod fade to , just does his infamous nod Fade to black Done , the Star Wars fandom would fucking implode . I promise you it would be an implosion . It would be like the Death Star exploding and then imploding . It would be like one of Jango Fett's seismic charges .
That's what would happen to the fandom . It's like ah , you know what ? I'm gonna reach out to dave . Let's reach out to felonious and uh and say come on , dave , can you please make this happen ?
everybody , just get on your phones , let's text dave right now and just make this happen , make this this happen .
You need to make this happen , make this happen .
I mean , we need to find a convention where both of them are there and we can just shoot it ourselves .
It's fine , that's fine . But Harrison doesn't do conventions .
We were talking about this Snips and I were talking about this on the way back from Megacon . I love Harrison Ford has reached a point in his life where he don't give F , like even these people doing the Captain America press tour .
They're giving him some kind of silly softball questions and you can just tell he's like you know well , did you feel silly doing the motion capture ? I saw it and he goes it's called money , that's what the money's for . That's what the money's for . That's what the money's for . I think , yeah , he's got that very casual matter-of-factness . That's great .
But I don't know if he would , he or we or collectively all of us could emotionally survive . You've all seen those people in line at cons that ask this silly question and got it in the and they got to tell their life story for like 45 minutes . You know it's like the bro , wouldn't I ? I would need weed to survive .
Being in line with these people would just there would be a lot the , the . It would be rivers of nerd tears because harrison would not have the patience . He's a nice guy , but he's a fucking smart ass . He is a .
He is harrison , fucking ford and and half the comments afterwards would be he was so glad . You know , he just brushed me off . Well , yeah , you acted like a dummy in front of him , right ?
just be cool , just say , hey , how's it going ? Can you sign this ? Great job . Loved you and everything you've done .
I know we're all about the positive energy and I try to be like even at cons I try to be supportive of people when you see them and they're getting all . It's exciting to meet these people . Ron Howard was at Megacon and I was just there for a phone call . I was just there for a phone call .
I was giddy because I'm like I love his work , but you just got to again . if you're listening , if you're new to the concert , let me explain .
When you meet these people , Ashley Exide does this great breathing exercise where you take a deep breath for three seconds , hold it , let it out , have a little mantra , do it a couple times , Chill the F out when you meet these people in public , because they're just people like us .
Ashley's a rare one , though I mean she's she really does know how to connect with the fans , because she herself is a fan .
And we were talking about before the show . She is so good to the people that come see her because she appreciates them and I think with clone wars the whole cast james matt ashley d . When they're out on the circuit you can kind of tell they're not on the level of a mark or god help us a . Harrison carrie was great .
He was our everybody's crazy and we call her the space mom . Yeah , I firmly believe that when we lost Carrie to the force , ashley is the new space mom because she's a . She's a accepted fandom and just welcome them in and she takes care of them .
She's our big sister . I feel like she's like everybody's or she snips , big sister , little sister , she snips , you know she's . But you're right , carrie was the crazy aunt that everyone wants to hang out with . Like she's . Like she's the one that you would get your first sip of beer from . Like you know , without your parents about it .
You know , yeah , and Carrie got me drunk .
I got a photo with her and Mark Hamill and she just grabs my arm like arm and just wrap me around her . In between the two of them I'm like in a headlock from Carrie Fisher . I'm just going . This is the greatest moment of my life Of course I .
Only I never got to meet her , but I did get to see her at Celebration Europe . She did a panel or she was up on stage , I think she was up on stage with Mark and it was very cool . It was very , very cool . So she'll tell us she'll always be royalty . All right On that note , do you guys ?
have anything else about these episodes . No , it was a good arc . If we were giving blast report , I would say this was a very solid story arc I agree , I agree , we've got .
We've got some more coming up . We've got some more coming up . So , homework , homework , a little bit different this week , a little bit different this week , a little bit different this week
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for homework . So you're going to be watching , in this order , episode one , tales of the empire Episode one is very important , just that . And then you're going to watch clone wars , season four , episode 19 , 20 , 21 and 22 . So we've got a little extra , we've got five episodes to watch this week and that'll wrap our season , uh , next week .
But , um , so , remember tales of the empire , episode one . Go no further than that . Just tells him episode one , because it ties in directly , chronologically , with clone wars , episode 19 through 22 .
So there you go , um , and , of course , uh , while you're after you do all that , catch up on all of our past episodes , be sure to tell your friends , tell your enemies , to give us a listen or to give us a watch on YouTube or listen to whatever podcast platform you like .
And , of course , now it is time for the obligatory pimping that that Tony has been so subtly hinting at . It's on my notes , I've got it . I've got it . I've got it . But thank you for reminding me , because sometimes I do forget , um .
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I need to do a little bling up here on the screen . Uh , circle of nerdscom , slash merch and you can grab some t-shirts , some hoodies , all that good fun stuff . I got a hoodie , I lost it . I don't know what happened to it , so I got to order another one , which is fun , first try . Yeah , I have them labeled this time .
So I just finally got her out of the labeling nice only after like 30 episodes .
30 episodes , it's fine , all right , uh , so yeah . So check us out on the website . You can also see what's coming up . I'm thinking I'm gonna put our the full chronological timeline up on the website . So I mean it's going to be , I mean everything . It will show everything in order .
For the most part , with clone wars , we're kind of out of the weeds of jumping around . There's still a few episodes , but there's still going to be some other things mixed in . So I think maybe I'll put that full roadmap up and maybe break it down for our seasons . I don't know , we'll see .
I say I'm going to do things and I don't do them because I I forget or I end up playing fallout meanwhile , this video will be available on youtube in june ish , ish , god , shut up , man . I know , I know I'm like five episodes behind , I know , I know I'm so bad , okay , if ?
anybody's watching on the YouTube . I am the G Cricket . I'm the one posting in the comments on the episodes . I don't . I'm like oh , I missed this episode . I got to talk to the guys in the comments that one guy we were having a live stream battle with .
If you want to come at me , bro , I'm always in the comments on the youtube , have fun yeah , that guy hasn't come back , so , but we also haven't posted anything since then , all right .
So , everyone , thank you so much for tuning in the this week or whenever you're you're finally listening to this when I finally get it uploaded . Um , we absolutely do , thank you . We know that you could spend your time anywhere else and you choose to spend it with us .
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Yeah , next week , maybe , all right , it's going to be going very interesting . Episode next week maybe , all right , it's gonna be a good one . Very interesting episode next week . I think we've got some , uh , we've got some , uh , some some death of mary witches happening next week . Nice , yeah , we've got some .
We've got some stuff going on with the brothers mall , so interesting , interesting , interesting . So tune in for that , do your homework and we'll see you next week . So tune in for that , do your homework and we'll see you next week .