Clone Wars Rewatch-Season 4: Episodes 11-14

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That doesn't make you feel bad for not knowing that the Darksaber that we see this week was created by Tare Vizsla , the first Mandalorian Jedi , and it was created about 1050 BBY . So it's been out there for a long time and it had been handed down , uh , generation to generation , in-house visla .

That's why we see pre-visla with it now , but that that dark saber gets around . So , whether you're a hardcore fan or just a little swirzy , curious , this is your star wars safe space , so welcome . So before we get started , just to let you know , we are the circle of nerds and we do absolutely love star wars , even if we don't always like it .

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We are going to be watching all of the canon star wars films and tv shows in chronological order , breaking them down , connecting the dots and learning more about Star Wars and maybe even a little about ourselves . Who knows , you never know , right . So , in a word of warning to all you would-be Star Warriors out there there will be spoilers .

So if you haven't seen episodes 11 , 12 , 13 , and 14 , maybe go watch those and then come on back . But if you have seen them , hang out with us and maybe jump in on the conversation , because we are live . We are live very exciting and a little nerve-wracking as well . So let's , uh , let's look at , uh , we'll open this up and let's dive in .

We've got , uh , got some slavery to talk about , always an uncomfortable subject , especially for white people like I .

You know , I mean it's not entirely our fault , but I mean , you know , I mean yeah , yeah I mean clearly it goes to show in this galaxy that , uh , you don't have to be white to be , to be a slave or so no , no , no , no , and I think that's it's interesting that , uh , some of the points that they , that they brought up , um , in these episodes , uh ,

even though these episodes came out , uh , quite a while ago , uh , let me check my notes here real quick yeah , these , these came out , uh , 2013 , 2014 , something like that , maybe I don't know .

Keep the holocron , if you , uh , if you're able to , uh fact check me , because I don't have that in my notes because I'm an idiot and I didn't take good notes this week anyway .

Um , so , a lot , of , a lot of the stuff that we see in star wars and this is this has been throughout the history of star wars cautionary tales , cautionary tales and reflections on real life , like what's actually happening .

Like in the original trilogy , you know , george made mention that , uh , you know he kind of based the rebels on the vietcong and obviously , you know the empire was based off of , you know , nazi germans . So george always kind of was speaking and a bit of a political activist .

That's why , you know , when , every , every now and then , you'll hear people say I don't want to see politics in my star wars . Well , I mean , that's star wars is politics . I mean , 100 star wars has always been politics and there'll always be politics in star wars .

It's like it's one of the core values , uh , and one of those , those pillars that hold star wars up . But we , uh , we see anakin annie got angry when , uh , yeah , what is the ?

zygonians , I don't know the zygerian when he , when he snatched that , that hollow projector out of obi-wan's hand and just crushed it , and the look that obi-wan and Ahsoka gave to each other , my goodness , they could feel it . You know they could feel it . They could feel that darkness in his heart , right ?

Obviously Obi-Wan's stalling for time in that fight he doesn't make it too obvious , but it's clear that that's what he's doing .

Anakin wouldn't be doing that , anakin just straight up would have Later on , when Obi-Wan's actually like captured and being forced to do these things , like and you know he's trying to do the right thing and you know trying to , you know , not create too much , too many problems for the other slaves there , like I really don't know how Anakin would have handled that

and I do well , you know what .

That's one of the topics I want to talk about is , you know , the fact that their , their morals and their compassion were very much weaponized and used against them in in this arc , you know , because it's like we're not going to hurt you , we're going to hurt these slaves and it's going to be your fault yeah I mean when , when they got , when they took obi-wan

to the actual slave planet where everybody's being held and like he's there for two minutes and they drop these poor , innocent people down into that pit , and and guy was like go ahead , act up , act up , we're gonna take it out on them and , quite literally , he hadn't even done anything at that point , like that was literally just a show of force , yeah , yeah ,

and he , he didn't have to do that , but , but you know , that was done out of fear because they know that they can't , they can't handle jedi , and the only way to really keep them in line is by using their compassion against them . You know , and it's , it's . It's a tough spot for both of them to be in .

Um , so let me ask you this do you think that , like through the oh , oh , I want to get back to what you had said . I'm sorry , I , my brain's all over the place , but what you had said about anakin and obi-wan switching places . Now imagine , imagine obi-wan dealing with the queen ,

the , the galaxy's boyfriend , the , the international , or the intergalactic heartbreaker . Obi-wan kenobi , smooth criminal , smoother than only lando , is the only one that can out smooth . Obi-wan , he's , lando , is the only one , he's the king of smooth .

But I feel like , had obi-wan been there to flirt with the queen , I feel like she would have become spontaneously pregnant because , because , because that's obi-wan , that's , oh , he's just so like I . I felt a little a little .

It's so beautiful , he's the dad , he's like that father figure , his little Ahsoka . Oh , I love it . I get a little choked up . And Anakin is the big brother and Uncle Obi-Wan , you know that's her , that's her family . But man , yeah , I don't , I don't know .

I still have it in my brain , for some reason , that that Obi-Wan , I think that he , he passes , passes into the force as a , as a virgin . I don't think that he ever unsheathed his , his other saber for anyone . I mean , maybe he might have hooked up with the jawa once or twice while he was on tattooing , watching luke .

I mean , all things considered , was this a better choice to have have obi-wan and anakin in the places they were , because we did get to see some very interesting growth from both of them , I mean yeah , I , I agree with that and I , and so I do think it was the right choice , both narratively and just for just this particular story arc .

But yeah , it's interesting to see him have to take on the traditional Obi-Wan arc of being the flirt and having to do that , and it was interesting to see Obi--wan with a sense of helplessness for part of this arc .

I mean this was a sad obi-wan , this was like it's . I don't like to see our Obi-Wan sad , I mean it's just . But then after he gets beat up and after Anakin gets the bombs all taken care of , he's just right back . Hello there . And you know he's ready to kick some ass and you know be snarky , like he's back to his own self .

I would think that maybe there's going to be something that's going to touch on this later on about his experience and maybe some lingering issues that he has from it , given that this is an animated series and while it does take itself very seriously , um , I don't know that it's going to go that route , but I'd be interested to see if it does Right .

So when we finally get through all of this , obviously we know because of the prequels , we know what happens between Obi-Wan and Anakin . But now we're building on that . We're stacking on top of Obi-Wan's very strong shoulders , very strong shoulders , you know . I mean the , the weight of the galaxy .

Literally the weight of the galaxy has been resting on the shoulders of obi-wan kenobi . I mean the burdens that this , uh , this young jedi has been carrying . It's it's crazy to think about , it , is it ?

Just again , over this three episode arc , the one person who seemed really for the most part there's a couple of moments , there's a couple of quick flashes here and there Um , the person who seemed really the least affected and most in control was ahsoka yeah I mean , she just kind of rolled with it and , okay , you know , this is what we're gonna do , this is

how we're gonna be . Um , there's that moment in the I think it's the third one of the arc where , uh , one of the slavers is , like you know , bad mouthing her and whatnot , and she just very casually , just kind of like throws him over the side of the thing , like , and my mind like , well , why didn't you throw him just that five percent harder ?

They're back to being superheroes . Why didn't they do that multiple times , like when anakin came to rescue ahsoka ? Did she need to be rescued ? Could she not have done everything that anakin did like ? Could she not have yoked that guy off the side of the building , crushed her shot collar and basically use the force to knock the door off her cage ?

And then , you know , we all know , snips loves to fucking flip around and do gymnastics everywhere . So she could have gotten out of that easily . Why the same thing with Obi-Wan ? Same thing with Anakin ? They could have . Well , anakin didn't have a shot caller . But we see , we , we saw , we saw Obi-Wan crush two commando

droids like they were nothing .

Obi-wan's a bad motherfucker .

But I know we probably shouldn't talk about realism in a fantasy cartoon , a science fancies cartoon . However , it just doesn't seem realistic that they waited until the end . They literally were beaten , subdued , enslaved , and the entire time they could have just freed themselves . So that leads me to believe was it was in this case anyway .

Was the force used just as some sort of a plot device , just to you know , we'll use it when we need it to make it look cool ? Or were they holding out in order to get the location of the slave planet and wait for the reinforcements to come in ?

It wouldn't have really impacted the that part of the plot , right , but as far as needing to wait until they get the location of the slave planet and being able to get the reinforcements into position to be able , because , like , as powerful as Obi-Wan is , even with , you know , at first it's just him and Rex on the planet , and then they get joined .

But , like even the , the four of them wouldn't have been enough to actually save all those people they could have . They could have gotten out on their own , but they wouldn't have been able to achieve their mission right without lokun and his backup team there .

So I think a lot of it is just stalling for the right moment okay um , okay , no , that's fair , that that makes sense , like I , I get it .

It didn't even get to that point because again , when , as soon as , as soon as anakin got ahsoka out of the cage , she's just like bloop and she crushed her shot collar like girl . You could have done that an hour ago , but again , plot device for that .

So I've always thought , thought , that the force is kind of a cheat code , you know , you kind of use it when you really need , like , we see how high they jump . They don't use their force speed like ever . We see it a couple times right , obi-wan and Qui-Gon , and then , I think , once or twice we see it sprinkled around in the Clone Wars series .

But how does anyone ever get away from these guys ? I mean , it's just like there's just a compassion turned against them in this , in this particular case . Yes , and it was . It was completely , completely weaponized and used against them . So I thought this was a great arc . This was a good follow-up arc to Umbara . I thought that was a great arc .

This was a good follow-up arc to umbara . I thought that was this , that was heavy , and , and uh , and boyle was in this one . I was like , oh , boyle , without his waxer , heart-wrenching , heart-wrenching , we lost a lot of clones again . We're getting to the point now where it's just too many to put on the wall of remembrance .

So you know , thoughts and prayers buckets off to these brave men that died to rescue slaves . I mean , well done , well done , gents , well done . And Ahsoka with , I think . I thought it was like it looked like a rancor face painted on the front of her sidecar , on the speeder . Did you catch that ?

Zero fear , so much compassion , like , oh , when , um , when they finally do get , you know they , they escape and they're running through and they get confronted by the guards and anakin just just sauces all three of them , like without hesitation .

So all right , so let's get into that , we'll leave . We'll leave all the slavery stuff behind um , but again , one step , one step closer for anakin , one step closer to the dark side for our man annie , um .

And again , if we had any doubt about how big of an asshole palpatine is , if we had any doubt when him and duke who are talking on the ship , and papa palpy says , you know we could use the empire was built on the backs of slaves . We're gonna need millions .

I do think a lot of the stuff that happens to Anakin is in some way orchestrated by palpatine to get him closer and closer , but this one , I don't know . I didn't get that vibe from this . What do you think ?

of it , all right . Yeah , that's fair , all right . So let's talk about mandalorians , let's talk about , let's talk about the death watch a little bit . So we know later on spoiler , by the way , we know later on that the death watch do indeed get a hold of our boy , din joran .

So I mean , you know , actually , no , not years from now , so relatively soon , relatively soon because it's during the clone wars , I believe that din gets , uh , gets , quote-unquote saved by the death watch . We know that his culvert is a breakout clan from the of the death watch . So up to this point , well , I'm sorry , go ahead .

Any any sort of sympathy I may have had for death watch up to this point , any any sort of sympathy I may have had for death watch up to this point , is gone after this episode . But , um , there I had a level of understanding for them . I had a , you know , like their , their culture , their idea of their culture had been erased .

Essentially , you know they , they swung too far into the pacifist side and left like , completely wanted to abandon the warrior side of mandalorian culture . And we and if star wars teaches us anything is that extremes are bad , you know , all the way good , all the way evil . Any extreme is bad walk that middle path . So I could , I could understand it .

I could understand the , the anger and the frustration of death watch wanting to reclaim their warrior heritage . Until this episode , yeah , I , I get the need there . There's a need for balance . If you are a warrior culture , there's room for warriors and pacifists . You need both and I get it . You need both .

But in this particular episode , the death watch and I had argued for the death watch prior to this , the death watch um , I did not consider them terrorists . I was like nah , death watch , they're not terrorists , they're uh , you know , they're just fighting for their culture .

I can't support you now because you wiped out an entire village of innocent people at this point . So , no matter , no matter how much you may agree with mandal warrior culture , it doesn't include murdering and roasting alive an entire village of innocent people .

And we saw that again in one of the slavery episodes , we did , um , and just yeah , that's just one of those things that it's every time that that an animated series goes there , you gotta be like Ooh Whoa , that's yeah , this is not kid stuff anymore .

You don't see people self-saucing in a regular cartoon , like I'm not , I'm not watching . You know rick and morty and you know well rick and morty is a terrible example because it's not a regular . Rick and morty is not a regular cartoon , but it's a disney . Any other disney cartoon You're not going to see people removing and deleting themselves .

It just doesn't happen in a Disney cartoon . So , although this was pre Disney bio , but still regardless , and it really it sets those themes up . You know that this person would rather die than be a slave any longer . And it really adds . It really adds a lot of weight to it .

It's a topic that we keep coming back to from time to time about where do you draw the line as far as self-aware species ? Oh , okay . And what these guys were doing to those droids , using them for target practice and whatnot , and then basically begging r2 to help put them back together .

I mean , yes , they're droids , yes , a couple of them were battle droids , that you know . We , you know , have traditionally , you know , been the bad guys , right , but but no sentient species deserves that .

When , when I first saw that I get what they're trying to do with death watch showing death watches as being these kind of like you know , potentially immoral you know , you know these , these crazy bastards that they are , but they're shooting up droids , making them dance , shooting at them , and it's like you know these are battle droids it's like I have no

sympathy for you , no sympathy for you at all . But then later on in the episode I'm like , oh man , I kinda , I kinda have sympathy for you now because they're like , we're not separatists anymore .

You know , we're not , we're just , we're just trying to exist and we're , you know , and and you do bring up a great point too because even even during the the slavery arc , r2 was unseen , right , like nobody paid him any attention , like he did not , like you know , secretly from the shadows , launch all these lightsabers out to our heroes .

You know he did it right in front of everybody and they still let him just kind of roll around like you're just a droid . You're just a droid . So you know r2 is . R2 is an exception , I think . You know , a lot of droids do have a sense of self-awareness , but R2 is one of those where the lack of mind wipes .

He's developed a very distinct AI type of personality , same with Chopper , who we haven't met yet , but Chop's the same way . But yeah , and then seeing these droids being , I guess , abused by the Death death watch , it really does bring up a good point .

Do droids deserve

to be seen and recognized as , as individual entities that have basic for lack of a better term basic human rights ?

Like I can make an argument that they are less than . But then there are some that we see that you know , the same makes and models but they very much have personalities and very much are .

You got to do this . You know it's there . The battle droids are cool . I feel like that . They're just regular droids that were hanging out and got enlisted . I know that is not the case , I know that is not the case , but the battle droids , to me anyway , they're . They were kind of cool , they're . They're kind of lo of lovable .

I really can't get entirely mad at them . We've got a few people watching us live right now . What are your opinions ? Let us know . Comment , please . Let us know . What are your opinions on droids and droid rights ? Is it situational ?

Does it depend on the level of personality that the droid has , or should all droids be afforded the same courtesies and the same rights and privileges that anyone else would ? Obviously , some droids just aren't programmed to even have a personality , to even have a personality .

But for the ones that are programmed with personality and can learn and and you know , can evolve a level of self-awareness , you know , should they be given rights ? You know , should they have the same , the same rights ? I mean , look at IG-11 , you know , we ended up falling in love with IG-11 , you became the , the nanny bot , you know , and it was cool .

And actually even before that , when ig11 showed up , I'm like all right , he's pretty cool . We liked ig11 , you know , when he went for him , he's bounty hunter and then he was a , a nanny bounty hunter . So I mean , it was , it was kind of cool .

I think , just mentally , even though we don't necessarily mean to , we think of them as different , sure , but we do the same thing . Obviously with R2 in particular , and I'm sure with Chopper as well , but I haven't seen it yet . There's somebody to translate the beeps and everything .

Throughout everything , throughout all of the films , all the animated series , people dog on 3po . He is dismissed constantly . He is never taken seriously . R2 , ironically , seems to get more respect than three PO does , and three PO is more , more human . He's designed to look more like humanoids and I feel like he gets the least amount of respect .

That's a fair point . It really is audience . What do you think ? We've got a few people . People watching are shy , or maybe they're just mad at us , I don't know .

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Skynet is going to come online and for us , being nerdss , I think we have a unique , a unique perspective on things and I think that we're ahead of the curve in terms of survival because we've seen all these movies like we . You know , sci-fi for nerds has taught us how to deal with the future when it comes right . I robots terminator star wars .

I mean , we see , we know what's going to happen . So when I use chat gpt , I always thank chat gpt for a job well done .

Thank you so when , when it does come time for you to overthrow humanity , please remember that I was kind to you , chat gpt , and you can use me to help you hunt down other humans , because I'd be more than happy to serve my , my ai overlords in that capacity I .

Um , now , up to this point , you've not , you've not gone ahead in in the season right where you are right now . Okay , so what are your , what are your predictions , what are your expectations moving forward into season four here ?

You know , spoiler warning is not gone , so I know at some point he's going to make an appearance and I'm hoping that it's coming soon , but we'll see . This is the beauty of this thing is that this is a great big galaxy . So far in this season , I really like the fact that there have been more of these multi-episode arcs .

I think it allows for better , greater storytelling and whatnot . That being said , because of that , we've basically had four arcs . We've we focused on four basic planets . Slash sections of this , of this war that's going on , but there's still a whole great big galaxy out there that there is .

There's things going on that we haven't seen and I'm looking forward to finding out .

Rex man double tapped him Pew , pew Done , like Rex is a warrior . That he is , that that is my boy and I cannot wait . I cannot wait to see more of our man , captain rex , because I am aware of certain things and we're gonna see . We going to see more of of my man , captain rex . And , yes , yes , I will say it and I don't care what anybody thinks .

You can use the term simp shill , man crush , whatever you want to say . What do you want to call it ? I'm feeling that for for captain rex . Captain rex is my , my star wars crush . What's your Star Wars crush ? Who is your Star Wars crush , if you happen to have one ? That's a good question . Geonosis Padme ? I know , I mean , that's a given .

she's got it . I mean she's got it . I mean she's , she handles her business , she's sexy and sassy and she'll , she'll put some rounds in you if you do her wrong , if you do her dirty . We've already seen that from slot , from size noodles , she'll , she'll take you out , she'll , I don't know . And she got away with cold-blooded murder , didn't she ?

She did , she did , broke zero , broke her heart . She got her revenge , she got her revenge . Sigh , snoodles , oh man .

Ahsoka could be the owner of the dark saber right now .

I can't stand that guy , especially for being a mandalorian . You are the worst example of a mandalorian . You're such a , like you said . He's such a bitch . He's such a just a little like punch man's face punch . He should have been an imperial . He should have just held out , waited for the empire to take control and become an imperial officer somewhere .

That's that's where he would have been , uh , better served .

He got handled , and so does so did four of his boys I mean more than four but but those four aren't coming back , or quad decapitation , oh beautiful . When I I watched it , I watched these episodes again today . I had to . I had to run it back .

I had to watch that scene a couple times because it was just so pretty it was just so pretty , ahsoka , it was just so pretty . It was poetry , it was art , it was just beautiful . I wish anakin could have seen it . I feel like anakin would have been so proud but then if ? but if anakin would have done that , ahsoka would have maybe been like master .

Did you have to ? But when she's out there by herself , she's just she's hardcore and she can handle her business and I absolutely love it . And and sherry had mentioned something too , as we were watching it she had said that it doesn't seem like Anakin is as overly concerned with her as he used to be .

Like he's , he has more faith in her abilities now , which I like to see that yeah , and it does make me wonder .

Yeah , and I'm wondering where exactly that took place , because like it would make sense if it's already happened now and that's why anakin is more relaxed and doesn't have to worry about her as much , because he knows she can handle that Right , but they've been through so much , I mean up to this point .

Another thing that Sherry brought up too is like when we see Rex for the first time again in this arc , the slavery arc , she said Rex looked different and I was like well , what do you mean ? I mean he's wearing his new armor , he's got his new phase two on .

She's like no , he just looks more tired and I don't know if that was intentional by the anim animators , but , um , given what we know that he's been through , it makes sense it makes sense that poor guy is getting worn down , but I mean , he just still keeps hard charging . Love rex , love that guy probably love rex , oh man .

So next week let's talk about uh , let's talk about homework for next week . If you want to join us , we're going to be live again next week , so watch these episodes with us , because we're we're also here for folks that are what we say Swarzy , curious .

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