The Bad Batch Aftershow (3.1-3) | Season 3 Premiere

Time to abandon ship. Oh no! Here we go! Can I persuade you to join us for a drink? It's a tradition. Here, here. Jar Jar, homie, my main man, quickly. Before the separatists attack, get into the escape corridor. Hey! This is escape! Then where's the pot? Here's the pot! Hehehehe Welcome back to Star Wars Escape Pod and our first after show for the Bad Batch season 3, the final season.

We've got our friends Kyle and Kirk in the escape pod as well as your co-host Blake and we're super stoked to talk about Bad Batch, the opener and also Vancouver Fan Expo 2024. We're going to chat briefly about that at the start of things just to get a catch up on how things went at the booth for Alki Solutions and all the guests that we ran into. Kyle's got some good stories with some of the actors that showed up like Iman Afstani and so many others.

So we're going to get into things and dive right into that. Let's get into it. Alright, welcome back and hello there Blake. Hello there indeed. Chut Chut, new day. Chut Chut, oh yes. New season, very exciting. Kind of, this is like the real end of Clone Wars. Yeah, that's actually kind of a crazy thought. This is like the end of George's legacy of starting the Clone Wars and this being like this direct sequel show to that. You know, it's kind of bittersweet with this ending.

I thought it was over with Clone Wars and then Bad Batch came along and now it's ending. So, pretty nice. Welcome back Kirk, hello sir. Yo yo yo, g'day g'day. Good morning all the way from Galaxy's Edge. That accent that you hear. That's right. That's right. And hello there Kyle. Hello there. Welcome back sir. Was that a riff I heard? No, I thought that was on your end but it did sound like a riff. I'm not sitting here jamming a guitar.

Fan Expo was this past weekend and you know it was pretty cool because I know that you guys had a booth there and you know I was there hanging out with you guys for a bit and that was super fun. And you get around at the convention, you see a number of the actors from these shows and everything like that. So I was wondering if you had any good stories to share? Yeah, well there's quite a few because they had a lot of great people there this time.

So Alex and I, we ended up getting to give Danny Trejo his, what was it, his rancor keeper lightsaber, which is our vindicator. So he asked us what lightsaber is. Yeah, like he's like, what's one that's best fit for a rancor keeper? And I was like, I would say this one. And he's like, alright, alright, I'll get that one. So that was a lot of fun. I was at the event this weekend and I didn't realize his real name was Danny Trejo because of how we just called him a Shetty.

So I think it's worth just announcing the machete from Spy Kids. Yeah, yeah. That's hilarious. He's been in it so much stuff, man. But he's a super nice guy. And get this, you know what? And you know what he said? He whispered to me because the last time that I saw him, I said that I would love to be able to go down to Trejo's Tacos. And he said that he's actually going to be trying to open one up here in Vancouver. And so I thought that was pretty cool.

And so maybe we'll see a Trejo's Tacos up here in Vancouver, BC. That would do super well because all the other taco places do really well around here. Yeah. Tacos are tasty. Everybody likes tacos. Yeah. Fantastic. I met Diana Lee. We're actually on Diana Lee's Instagram. So that was pretty cool. And yeah. And also we got to meet Emin. Emin is such a great guy. So he's really, really super nice. So yeah, it was just fantastic.

He really is actually like his little Twitter shorts and his TikToks and stuff, man. Emin is really just watching him on the panel. He is such a chill kind of guy. He's like a lot of fun. It's only when you go to the movies where they hang out. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. He seems pretty casual. And that's one thing I miss. I miss the panel. So you guys are lucky. You guys get to go sit down for that stuff. But it was so fun having you when you came over to the table.

Yeah. And all of a sudden you guys just went right to work. Yeah. Oh, that was awesome. Happy to help. Happy to help. We'll have to do it again for sure. Yeah. Oh, heck yeah. Yeah, man. Didn't you say Emin chose the Darth Maul saber? Oh, yeah, he did. So he chose the Darth Maul saber and we got it all weathered for him. We did a little extra stuff for him. But yeah, he absolutely loved it. Did he request the weathering or you did that yourself? He didn't request the weathering.

But when I showed it to him with the weathering, he was like, oh, my God, I didn't know it. Like, this looks even more real. I was like, thank you, dude. So that was honestly super, super cool. That's awesome. But he's like, so you're going to be up in Calgary, right? I'm like, yeah, we're definitely going to be up in Calgary. He's like, all right, man. Yeah, definitely. We're going to come and stop by the table again. Just pick out a few more. Yeah, that's great. Yeah, exactly.

I had a bit of a theory. I talked a bit about it briefly at the stand because I thought Edmund had requested it being weathered. And my theory was because his character, Ezra, maybe had found Maul's old saber or stolen it. And so it was supposed to be like an in-universe, like in his headcanon sort of situation. Yeah, yeah. Oh, man. Did he come up to you and he's like, I want the old master. That's right.

No, no, no. He actually said because what he wants to learn is learn how to do the spinning with a staff so that when he gets back on like set and stuff like that, he's even more prepared. And I was like, oh, that's frickin sweet because all he knows right now is basically one hand and he's starting to learn two handed swinging. So he's getting into secondhand. But he's like, I want to learn how to do the staff swinging, too. So there you go. Now he's like, I'm this I can use this for it.

Let's see. Let's see what happens. Yeah. Well, we did. It is. It is pixel, though. So I did tell him I was like, you don't really want to go drop it. Yeah, true enough. You have to come back and order the other one at Calgary. Yeah. There was a number of Star Wars this past weekend. There was. So Emin was there. Diana Lee, who plays. What was the character's name? The Night Sister Lady. Oh, Morgan. Morgan Ellsworth. Yes. Thank you. Yeah, Morgan.

Yeah. There was, you know, famously Ezra Bridger as well as Cameron Monaghan, who was there as Cal Kestis from the Jedi series, the video game series. And there was one. There's one more I'm missing. Giancarlo Esposito. There was Cara Dune. Oh, yes. And there was also Cara Dune. Of course, Gina Carano. Yes, she was there as well. Sadly, I missed the day that she was there. I was there on one of the day she was there. I just had did not see her.

And then she did a panel on the day that I wasn't there. But but yeah, that's that's pretty neat. Lots of Star Wars people showing up. So that was that was good to see. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. My favorite is that. Well, my favorite is that you should see what our setup is going to look like now. So we've actually had to get a larger setup. So we've contacted all of the conventions that we're going to across Canada. And we said, look, we're going to actually need to double the size of our our setups.

Can we do that? And a bunch of them went back and said, yes. So we're going to now have a double size setup. But it's also because of now we have so much memorabilia and stuff like we have so many pictures of all the people that that have lightsabers from us that it's just it's really, really this setup is going to look great for the next one. I even have a big cartoon picture of Alex and me put onto a big thing that we can have behind us. It's going to look really cool. Yes. That's sweet.

We've got it. We've got to get you a little TV or something that you can show all those pictures on something. It's like a slideshow thing you're thinking. Yeah. Something they can see. Oh, we do. We do have. We do have. Well, we do have one that's a little tiny one. That's one of those little moving picture screens. But it's nice to have the ones where it's it's like they're signed and everything. Yeah. I love all that stuff. Oh, that's so cool. Yeah. We want all the famous people. Right.

Oh, yeah. Like this person's eating here. Yeah. Those are cool. Yeah. Alex. Alex wants to meet Hayden because I got to meet him. He wants to meet Hayden. And you know that box where the lights where the one Darth Vader in it where his fingerprints are still on it. Yeah. We got in that glass box. The cloneable. Yeah. Yeah. She wants to have him sign the box. Yeah. Yeah. That one. That is a good idea. Yeah. I mean, I want to meet Hayden. Keep the picture with it and have it signed.

If you ever meet him, please video call me at any hour. I'll just be in the thing. OK. Yeah. I just I'm going in right now. I'm going in right now. Yeah. Oh, man. I mean, that'd be so funny. You got it. You got to have the phone ready and just be like, hey, can I can I just call my buddy Josh real quick? And you already got to be on the call on like FaceTime or whatever. And Kyle just keep his phone in the top in the breast pocket. Yeah. Get the FOV. Wait. Wait. Oh, down here.

You know, it'd be great. You don't know. You don't be great. Nobody's ever taken a picture like that. I should. The next time I go to meet him, I'll have the camera out. We're looking at you. You're taking a picture of us. That's hilarious. I love. I love the fact that any time Hayden comes up in our conversations, all of us just start man crushing over. You know. Boy, real hard. Yeah. Exactly. The prettiest Jedi. Yeah. That's the best part. Oh, jeez. That's exactly it.

I would think he only goes to the East Coast cons, right, because he lives out there or maybe like the big ones in California. Yeah. He went to the Toronto Fan Expo, I think. Because he doesn't live someone near there. At least he did. He did. He does anymore. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Who knows? All right. Well, yeah. Thanks. Thanks, Kyle, for that. The fan expo update. I think things went pretty well. And you seem very busy whenever we visited. Totally. Yeah. Oh, it's it.

It always is so busy at our table and it's and it's awesome because the people around us love it, too. The the like all the other vendors, because there's so many people at our stall that they all kind of check out the other little stalls around us. Yeah. Like when we did our when we did our big draw, you should have seen how many people was on the other side of that camera this time. Like our raffle thing has gotten quite big. Dang. That's super fun. So we were. Oh, well, sorry, brother.

Oh, he was like, go ahead. Pardon. I just need to buy more. Oh, I was going to say the guy. No. Well, there you go. That, too. But I was going to say the guy that won, he didn't even want to buy a ticket. And it was his girlfriend. She's like, like, no, no, no. I want you to put it on this. Like, I really feel something that you're going to win and everything. And he's like, I never would crap. So so she bought the tickets. And then when I called, he's like, there's no way.

And I'm like, yeah, you know, man, come on. I don't win nothing. And I'm like, your girlfriend got you the tickets. My my girlfriend remembered. Oh, that's awesome. So that was what was the prize. Oh, the prize was like a six hundred and thirty dollar. Obi-Wan Kenobi, episode three, full replica pixelated saber. Nice. Wow. Yeah. Good score. This guy's girlfriend's got one up on him for the rest of his life now. Yeah, I know. Remember that time I won the saber and you told me not to enter.

Well, now you need to give me something else. Yes, exactly. That's exactly it. The poor guy's never going to live it down. And Newfoundland's in April. There we go. And it's our first one out there. So this would be a good one to talk about, actually. And Newfoundland's Newfoundlanders love hearing about themselves. Interesting. OK. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. That's quite true. So what are the dates for those ones for the Newfoundland convention? OK, so for it's called Sci-Fi on the Rock.

And those ones are April 19th, 20th and 21st. So get this, we're going to be flying out there on like the 16th or 17th of April. We're going to do the expo on the 21st. We're going to fly home on the 23rd, sleep that night, then get in the truck. And we're driving straight to Calgary for the Calgary Fan Expo. Driving from Newfoundland to Calgary? No, we're going to we're going to fly in from Newfoundland on the 22nd. Sleep for the night. Oh, yeah, no way. No way, man.

That's like two week drive or something. But yeah, we're going to sleep for about eight hours and go. This is it's going to. Yeah, thank you. And literally. So so right from Calgary, we're going to drive to Banff, spend two nights and then go right to Prince George for the Northern Fan Con. So this is a long, long year this year. Yeah, you guys be busy. You're going to get a lot of a lot of time getting your name out there. So that's good, too. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And now get this.

We even have a couple of conventions contacting us asking if we want to go to them now. So we're going to be doing one on the island. Yeah. And one in Lethbridge. Nice. Cool. All right. Episode one of season three is called Confined. And right before we dive into the breakdown here, I'm just going to give a quick synopsis, as we normally do doing these after shows. So people at home can follow along and just kind of recollect their memories on on what happened in this particular episode.

So here we go. Following her capture, Omega becomes part of the Imperial Cloning Division against her will. One of her tasks consists of taking blood samples of clones alongside Emery Carr. However, Omega becomes suspicious when Emery also takes Omega's blood, only for Nala, say, to discard the sample in secret. She also evades the guards to speak with fellow bad batch member Crosshair, who vainly attempts to discourage Omega from escaping Mount Tantus.

Omega also befriends a hound she names Batcher. When the Imperials decide to euthanize Batcher, Omega frees the hound, which escapes into the jungles of Wayland. Dr. Hemlock warns Omega that further defiance will result in consequences for Crosshair. And that is the first episode of season three. What are your initial thoughts on this episode? When you first watched it? Well, I will say the very first thing I noticed is because we just finished watching way too many episodes of Rebels.

And so the first thing I noticed was, wow, this show has a really high budget. Yeah. Like just across the board, like lighting, textures, the animation quality, the detailed models. Like I was I hadn't noticed in the previous seasons. And it's been a while since I've seen them since they came out. So if it's up to the same quality like that went over my head, there's they definitely put a lot of money into this.

And the next thing kind of right in line with that is I really felt like at least this season, maybe going back, I'm not totally sure from memory, is a way higher audience that they're going for. Everything was a lot more serious in tone. Mm hmm. Absolutely. Like Rebels and stuff. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. I think, well, making that comparison between Rebels and Clone Wars was all right. It was still like, you know, it was always Rebels has always been a step down in terms of like targeted age.

Yeah. Right. Even Clone Wars was still targeting your kind of preteens. Yeah. I felt like this was not trying to get preteens or even teens to watch it. I think they're trying to get the original Clone Wars audience to watch it. Yeah. So it's more of a young adult, even like 20 year olds. Yeah, for sure. For sure. Yeah. A little more gritty instead of that. The announcer voice in the beginning, you know. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. War! On the top of Mount Tantus is a hidden bad batter.

I think that's a lot of fun in like 50s kind of thing. Yeah. Like 40s, I guess. Sorry, like World War II. Yeah. Yeah. It's something something I really liked about the first episode here was just the tone. I don't know about you guys, but I know I mean, I don't want to make a direct comparison to anything like quite like Andor, but yeah, because that was on a different level. Yeah, 100%.

It was very similar to that in the sense that like the tone of this repetitive prisoner in a cell sort of idea kind of got translated into the animated show. And they both had very Blade Runner vibes. Yeah. Yeah, very much so. Yeah. What did you think about that, Kirk? I thought I was literally going to make the same comparison there. I thought it was quite similar to Andor. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I really liked that whole creative choice and you got it on your notes as well.

My note also says almost like Andor. Yeah. And you know, something I also really liked was the redeveloping character of Crosshair. I feel like this has definitely been the most colorful character out of the whole batch, you know, in terms of like what this character has been through, how this character has grown and changed and changed again. And I think the most bland character other than Tech was probably Wrecker only because he's just sort of the gung-ho, like funny, strong guy.

Yeah. Who's sort of witty. He's the comedic relief guy. Yeah. Like the cranky comedic relief. Totally. Totally. There's always one big guy in the back that's always cracking jokes. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. And this episode really, well, I mean, this episode and I know Kyle, you've watched maybe a few minutes of the second one, but, you know, it's like this episode and the next really gave me this idea of like, wow, the batch is really like broken now.

Like there's not really, not really a whole lot. I was going to say Crosshair, like it's so sad that he's just given up. And I'm glad that Omega's like, you know, like, no, no, no, no, no. Like I'm not, I'm not letting you. And I think that that's going to be the thing that's going to pull them all back together for, you know, whatever's going to happen in the end. You know what I mean? It's going to be Omega.

That's going to be the real thing that did actually keep them together through the whole thing. Yeah. Yeah. I, I also found just the, the plot line of having Omega back with Nala Say trying to hide something about Omega again. This is where it's interesting for me. Well, from the beginning, I mean, we've been wondering like, what's the deal with Omega? Why was she made? We never see any female clones in the entire movies, right? Right.

Three equals. All of a sudden there's this one female clone and we find out there's a set, at least two, because the woman who she's working with, not Nala Say, but the other woman, she's also a female clone. Yeah. She revealed that in the season two finale. Is that okay? Because I couldn't remember if that was a new reveal or not. Yeah. Yeah. The most recent. So how many lady jangles are out there? Who knows? Who knows? I mean, Emory, Emory Carr is one of them. Omega is another.

It's possible that Omega, Omega is, you know, maybe the first, and Emory's maybe like another one. You know, we think Emory will be first because she's older, right? Well, but sorry, but Omega doesn't have the. That's right. She doesn't have the. Increased aging. That's right. Yeah. She's basically unmodified, I believe. Yeah. And they, she actually answers to that. Basically says like she was sent away and then she was requested by another, I assume it was a Kaminoan to be their apprentice.

Same as what happened to Omega with Nala. Yeah. Right. Yeah. So this episode was very, it was, yeah, it was very almost captivating to watch, you know, and, and this is a kid, right? Like I can't imagine having, I don't know how old Omega is supposed to be, but can you imagine a kid in prison? That's basically what it was. What I saw was like straight grooming. You know what? Like, oh, we got to take away your toy and everything. You know what I mean? Like you can't have any of this.

It's going to cause emotion, but you're not in prison, but we got to take this away from you. You know what I mean? Yeah, totally. Totally. It was like, oh yeah, you're, you're free, but not free to leave. Yeah. It's like how you train a child soldier, right? You would like force them to live in a very strict routine. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely.

You know, if, if I was Omega, you know, if I was Omega, right, right when, right when she got caught, letting that, that, that animal go, I would have turned around and been like, well, I cared for it. So you said I had to let that shit go. That's how I would have put that. Exactly. Batcher. Yeah. All right. Yeah. Well, who's any, anyone got anything else to add to this? Was it Batcher because it was bad. So they were a bad Batcher. I think it's Batcher named after the bad batch.

That's what I'm wondering. Yeah. Which is hilarious. At first with her accent, I thought she was saying badger. Badger. It's like, man, I guess that's, I guess that's a really ugly looking badger. Like that was badger. I think this episode, this episode, I know Kyle hasn't seen that the other couple have come out afterwards, but this episode works a lot better as like all of them combined into one, but I guess they just had to release them

in three separate episodes. Oh, great. Okay. Well, I'm 10 minutes into the second one. Oh, there you go. There you go. I'm, I'm, yeah, 10, 10 minutes in. I was mashing it because I was about, I had about two or three episodes left before the end of the last season. So I made sure I mashed those. So when you talked about the, the animation, no, the animation was definitely not every season. It got better. So, so the third season, the animation is way better.

Yeah. It's, it's always impressive. Every season that goes by, they just continually get better. Yeah, definitely. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm trying to figure out the location of this science lab because it's like the mountain that's been kind of cut in half, right? Yeah. Well, it's, no, it's not the, yeah. Yeah. The mountain. Yeah. The mountain's cutting. So it's got like a slit inside of it. And then it's like basically a volcano because the middle is like a cavern, right?

Right. Yeah. Is this because I know the, like, is this not where we were last season? The same lab? Yeah. Yeah. So, because I thought the, the last season they were there, right? Cause it had all the commandos. Yeah. They, they snuck in and they saved Gregor, I think. Okay. And that was, that was a, like midway through season two, but where tech died and where that was, that was on Edo, I think, right? Or not Edo, maybe Eriado or Eriado. Yeah. Sorry. Yeah. I always get the two mixed up.

Yeah. Tarkin's homeland restaurant, right? Tarkin's homeland. And then after that loss, they go back. Um, that is wrecker Hunter Omega. They go back to Sid's parlor or whatever Sid's, you know, and then Sid, it turns out she had betrayed the bad batch and then, uh, Parkland or Loughlin or whatever his name is. I'm so great at this. Um, he comes and, uh, and, uh, basically takes, um, takes Omega who decides to go back for her friends after they get split up or

whatever and that Hemlock, I don't know. And then, uh, and then anyway, she's taken two back to Tantus and the other two would have no idea where they, where they would have taken her. Right. Okay. So that's, that's why when we pick up in the second episode, they're still looking for her after all this time. They have no clue that, that, that would be the place to the same spot. Yeah. Okay. Cause I was wondering that because I thought we're going to lead into them

trying to break in to save her, but they don't have any idea where she is. So we didn't get too far in that yet because that's episode two, but still. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Okay. So it is the same place. I wasn't sure. I found that very confusing. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Sounds good to know. Well, fellas, if, are you, if you guys are about to talk about episode two, I'm, I'm going to bow out. Oh yeah. Because I can finish it. Yeah. I've got a couple more. Okay. All right. Go for it.

Okay. Okay. So I'm curious, especially cause like, I want to know Kyle's taking this cause he hasn't seen the other two yet. What do you guys think is going on with the blood? Because I found it weird. Well, I was going to say, like, I did

find it weird that she took the one set of blood from, from Omega and hit it. But I think what they're probably trying to do is, you know, genetic altercations, trying to look for, uh, that thing that, that makes the emperor's lived for so fricking long or something, you know, the probably in the starting processes of

that or something. Yeah. That's a good assumption. Yeah. I'm feeling the same direction, but what I'm like, what really threw me off though is, cause whenever they show the, the screen of the blood sample, it's always a different clone, right? So like they're searching through the clones. So does that mean they're going through like every single clone, millions of them? Yep. And then why, if so, why would you need to take Omega's blood every day? I want to talk about,

well, that's the thing is like, I, yeah, what's up with that as well. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know that that is a bit of a strange, uh, thing. I don't know. That one, that just, that seemed like a big plot hole to me, but yeah. Well, okay. In real life, if somebody is going to take a vial of your blood every single day, your, your body's not going to reproduce that vial every single day. So, so, you know, maybe they're like breaking her down, making her weak or

something. Like, I mean, that'd be like real life. It's not Star Wars, but yeah, I don't know why they take it every day for genetic stuff. I have some more speculation about this blood thing, but I don't want to say it. I want to wait to the third episode. Yeah. Okay. I wrote it down here. Oh, okay. Okay. All right. Let's do Pablo points and poodles. Shall we? Oh, there's one last

thing that we probably could bring up last season. So I was, I'll start off by saying I was wrong because originally the voice of hemlock I thought was Sam Whitworth, but it wasn't, but it sounded very similar to him. But if you've noticed his costume looks like star killer, the original star killer costume with the metal plates over the shoulder. Yeah. I never clued into that coincidence. I don't know. I think you're reaching far with that one. I just thought that was

maybe like a neat little nod. Maybe it's complete coincidence. I have no idea. Yeah. Yeah. Star killers, the astronomers, Pluto. We called it a planet for a while and then all of a sudden it's no longer a planet. But some of us were still like, it's still a fucking planet. That's right. All right, Kyle, before you sign out, Kyle, I got to get your Pablo points and poodles. And to remind all of our listeners, this is how the score system

works. It's a scale of seven, three Pablo poodles is the worst of the worst of the worst. And then moving up from there, you got two Pablo poodles, one Pablo poodle, and then a bendu. Bendu is like a 50% score. And then you got Pablo points. One Pablo point is like good. Two Pablo points is great. And three Pablo points is the best of the best of the best. So what would you award this episode, my friend? I'd go about, okay, I'll give it a two. I liked,

I liked the grittiness of it. I liked the fact that you can see like crosshair again, as you said, like dynamic as a character, but this is his like give up moment. But it's also, you know, Omega's time to be like, no, you're not giving up and be a really good strength point. So for me, the dynamics of the characters was really good. I liked the animation. I really liked the animation, a bad batch. So yeah, yeah, I'd give it a two. Sweet. All right. What about you,

Kirk? I'm going to go with a one for now, just because I think the story works more as like a three episode thing. But yeah, one or two is, is somewhere in between there. All right. Yeah, no, that's fair. I can see where Kirk's come from. I, I, I'm going to go a little higher. I think probably about it too. Same as Kyle, because this is specifically the kind of stores I just

really get into and really enjoy it. Cause he is kind of pasted a bit in the middle where you can, you can try to make these connections, but you're still getting a really good quality product. And I know a huge issue with last season was felt like a lot of filler. So this is like, I agree that it works better as a three part, but this is still to me, like a tier bad batch. Right. Even I'm just saying animation in general and then star wars.

Yeah. Yeah, for sure. I think I would go with 1.5 myself. I, I really enjoyed this, this episode, the tone, the pacing, you know, everything like that. Obviously it definitely works best when you pair it up with the following two episodes, but in context, but yeah, I mean, as a standalone story, I think solid, you know, north of good. Absolutely. Yeah. All right, Kyle, that's a, that's the end for episode one. So we'll let you go and finish the remaining two episodes. So have fun.

As soon as I'm off, that's exactly what I'm going to do. But before I go, before I go, have, have you guys checked out star wars heroes for your phone? I just got the bad batch groups so that I can play with that group. It's, it's fun. And if you guys ever get on it, we can make our own little star wars guild or whatever you want to call it. Are you talking about galactic heroes? Like the, the mobile game or galaxy of heroes? I think that's what it's called.

I just got, yeah, it's from EA. Oh yeah. Yeah. That one. It's, I just got the entire bad batch cruise. So I just finished it. Get the bad batch. So yeah, anyway, fellas, I'll give it a whirl. Sounds fun. There you go. Awesome. Well, you guys have a good one. I'm going to finish off the rest of these two shows. And yeah, well, if you get, if you guys are saying, you know, it's, everything's going to be good with all the three and I'm already liking this first one.

Yeah. This is going to be a good trilogy, like try all downhill from here. Good luck. Oh, thanks. Lots more pop. You'll enjoy it, man. Oh crap. Awesome. Awesome. All right. See you buddy. Thank you guys. Cheers. Have a good one, everybody. There we go. Took two exits out the air lock. He has no idea what's coming. All right. Let's, uh, let's get into episode two. Now we can really get into this blood thing. I'm really curious about this.

You guys takes on it. Okay. After gaining Intel for, oh, sorry, this is, uh, this episode, this episode's episode two called paths unknown. Uh, all right. So, but, uh, we'll see after gaining Intel from the Durand family, Hunter and wrecker traveled to an unknown planet with an abandoned Imperial cloning facility. Hemlock was in charge of the pair runs into mocks Zeke and stack clone cadets that were held prisoner by hemlock before managing to escape as the empire destroyed the facility.

Zeke helps Hunter and wrecker enter the facility while evading slither vines and experiment gone awry by the empire. Meanwhile, mocks and stack find managed to find the Marauder while Zeke is gathering Intel. The trio are attacked by the slither vines, which are revealed to be a huge monster mocks and stack are able to extract the three before defeating the slither vines with explosives. Hunter then promises to take care, uh, take the cadets to Pabu, the ill

fame Pabu. Oh, we had a surprise guest appearance in public, which I'll talk about in a moment. What? I know, I know. It's a secret return of a character we haven't seen since Revenge of the Sith. We had, we had, we had Sumo wrestler Mace Windu. Yes. Yes. Yes. I actually, I thought, like that guy came up on screen and I genuinely thought, wait, is that Mace Windu? Like he's the Clone Wars animation, like look at him, he looks so similar. Wait, which guy? Which guy is this?

In the opening? You know, when they went back to Pabu, like on, on Pabu, there's a guy that looked exactly like they were chatting to him. Dude, man, it's been so long since I've seen that episode and I've like completely put it out of my head because it was so bad that I can't even remember this, but I'll take your word for it. I'm pretty sure I think it was on this episode. I swear it was on, it was on this episode. I didn't see, I didn't see Pabu in this episode, unless I looked

down at my phone or something like that while it was on screen. But Pabu, I don't, you know, do we see, we didn't see Pabu in this episode. I don't think so. Previous episode. Maybe I'm, maybe I'm tripping. I can't remember. Anyway, we'll continue. Pabu, have you just been watching the wrong season? Kirk, I think we all deal with the PTSD of Pabu differently and you know, it's okay if you start seeing things. I promised I saw it. It was real. The ghosts of Pabu.

Oh man. Yeah. So, um, yeah, I love how Hunter's just like, kids, I know a safe place where tsunamis can't kill you. I'm sure you can swim. Yeah. So, um, get back to this episode. So this was a new crime syndicate that are all Daveronians? No. So not, well, I don't think it's a new syndicate. Like the Daveronians have been around for a long time, but at the same time, that wasn't a syndicate. No, it's like when this character was first introduced in season one, I think it was like

this, this specific Daveronian guy with the chopped off horn, right? Uh, he was introduced a while ago. I think it was season two or season one. It was one of the two seasons. And, uh, that particular guy, I think at one point it was like revealed that he had like his own sort of family crime syndicate thing. Mafia or whatever. Yeah. Something like that. So, um, yeah, I,

you know, it's, it's cool that we got to like see that. And I recently thought of, um, when we saw the inner chambers of that, like the design of that, um, that throne room with the laser floor and like the execution button, it was very reminiscent of like the Jabba's palace trap, trap in the, in the, in the floor, right? But that's what I was going to say, but even better, right? Because it means like any cause like Java's thing, like people walk up to Java and like,

they don't know that they can just fall into a cave with a rancor, right? But these people, anytime they have to speak to the head honcho of this family crime syndicate, they are standing on, standing on fate's, you know, door kind of thing, right? They don't get an option. They have to. Yeah. And they don't, they, they don't have an option, right? So, so I love that idea. I love that. Like, okay, you're coming to me with something you better be prepared to put up with my anger and

my wrath, right? Like, and I just love that whole, like, you know, just the fear of like, you know, say, like, say if you work at like a really intense environment place and like, you're just afraid of your boss or whatever, it just kind of put that in like a physical, you know, like represented. Yeah. Visually just representative right there of like, this is the fear of approaching like the head honcho boss. And I'm sure like all the employees

working for this person have to do the same thing. Like they all got it. Yeah. The first person they show is sort of killing the captain of the guard or whatever. Yeah. Yeah. Furthermore, the other button, which was like the bridge that connects that platform to the, the main like area. Yeah. That was a really good, like extra bit as well. Cause I was like, Oh, that's cool. Like every time there's like, there's like one or the other gets used maybe. Yeah. Right. What if it was your

first day on the job and you got them mixed up? That would suck. Oh, Hey mom, thanks for visiting. No, I was wondering because at first I thought the woman, the queen, the head of the syndicate, whatever she goes by at first, I thought she was wearing some sort of crown, but I realized that I think she, that's just the female model for Davronian. They have different hordes. Is that right? Is that what you noticed? Uh, it's possible. She was wearing something like over top over

They came more from the front and then look, it looks more like, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. What's her name from Disney, right? Maleficent or something. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah. She looked more like that. Yeah. Instead of the, yeah, you're right. Satiny looking male model. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. I liked that as well. It was a cool design. It was. I really liked that a lot. Cause we've only seen male Davronians before. I think so. I was trying to think if they've ever released with the

female. I don't think we've seen one before. So yeah, it was very cool though. Yeah. I liked it. It was a really good design. Yeah. Yeah. And then I liked the, uh, the, like the spire of the room, like how all of the, um, what do you call it? Like a royal, like the party, you know, like the people that hang out around the court, like a court, you know, like a, like a king's court. Yeah. Right.

So like her court was all kind of like in this tower, right? Like with booths that kind of overlooked the, uh, very Maleficent, very well, very, uh, well recently, I don't know about you, like I've recently been watching halo and, uh, there was recently like this location where I like this giant, um, this giant room full of like various pirates and stuff, like the pirate lords all kind of gather and get together. And they all sort of have a similar structure where like they

each have like a, like a box, you know, like at a sports arena, they all have like a box. Yeah. And they all have this thing that overlooks like a stadium and, uh, they, they question people in there. They get them to fight to the death kind of thing and various other like, you know, crazy

things. And, uh, I just, it reminded me of that. And I was like, Oh, that's so cool. It was just like this very intimidating environment for somebody who doesn't belong there to walk in, not only standing on like a death floor, but looking up and seeing all these criminals, just looking down at you. You know what I thought it reminded me of that room and kind of lay out with, uh, her throne being high up Cusco's palace. Boom, baby. That's right. Yeah. Crank.

That's the guy who fell. So good. Um, yeah, this episode was kind of cool. I liked seeing the role of hunter and record take on as like basically bounty hunters, like slinging in that one pike guy. Yeah. That was cool. They didn't go by that, even though they technically were bounty hunters. They call themselves just mercenaries. Yeah. They call themselves mercenaries, but like it was, yeah, but it was like, okay, that was a bounty probably because they're not officially in the

right guild. That's true. That's true. So they just took the job, right? But you know, I thought that was a cool kind of, we never seen them in that desperate position before, you know, taking on bounties for information. That was cool. Yeah. Yeah. The bad batch is really at their lowest

point here. I find. Yeah. Yeah. A hundred percent. Yeah. Very broken. Um, very desperate. I will, I will clarify what I was saying before, because I was before I watched the season, actually between episode one and two, just before I started watching episode two, I was like, I can't remember everything. So I watched a bunch of recaps on, on, on the bad batch. And then that, and then that guy specifically reminded me of season two. And that's why I thought they took

the guys back to Pabu to deliver them. But that's not what happened. You know what, you know, what's funny about who took a dark turn to dry volcano. So this episode, we have three kid clones show up, you know, younger guys, cadets. Yeah. And we've seen club cadets in, in the Clone Wars series. We've all seen a young Boba Fett as well, which was voiced by Daniel Logan. And I got to ask, because right when we went, right when the first two showed up immediately, I was like,

I don't hear Daniel Logan. And then when the third guy showed up, I was like, that's Daniel. Yeah. I noticed it too. Did you notice that? I'm like, wow, it sounds just like Daniel Logan. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like it's like the one guy. So, so Kirk, Daniel Logan is the guy who plays young Boba Fett in Attack of the Clones. That's right. So he voices young Boba Fett in the Clone Wars animated show. And I've seen that show so many times that now I can like pick his voice out of

like the group of young clone cadets. Okay. And so like when the first two showed up, I was listening, I was like, neither of these guys sound like Daniel Logan, but I wonder if that's intentional. And then it sure enough was because that, you know, the actual like Daniel Logan shows up as like their leader guy. And I was like, oh, that's him. But there it is. That's funny. They have different voice actors for essentially is the same person. Well, in Clone Wars, I think Daniel

Logan did all of them and he just did variations, but yeah. Okay. Cause I thought that was the case because I just didn't notice the like the clone voice and all of a sudden I'm like, oh, it's the same guy. And then I just didn't notice that the other two weren't him. Yeah. Yeah. I think it was a wise decision almost to do it only because maybe they wanted to paint this picture of like as they grow older, they do in fact sort of, you know, become a little more different than each other.

Maybe. I don't know. Like they go through puberty the same. Yeah. Who knows? Right. Like one's taking a bunch of like steroids or something. Yeah. Or maybe they're not the same age at all. Maybe like they're all slightly different ages. Could be. So, but I liked the fact that they all played it by different people because it means that and like Dee Bradley Baker can do it because he's been doing it for eons playing all the roles himself and talking to himself and different

people. Right. Yeah. But I mean, someone like Daniel Logan might not be so used to that. Right. So it's nice that they got other people to be in the room with them. Oh, maybe that's why it could be it because someone to talk lines back and forth. Right. Well, because they record the episodes like they do with radio. Like they have like an audio book or something like they have all the people like a like a live radio show. Like they have all the people in the one room

and they all feed off each other. Right. And I believe Dee Bradley Baker, Baker, excuse me, plays all of the roles simultaneously. Yes, he does. Which is crazy. Exactly. So he's talking to himself. Yeah. For this show, he's just talking to himself for 25 minutes straight. He's just he's the star of this show. Like a hundred percent. Yeah. I was actually sad to find out one of the credits I was looking actually. So I noticed instead of giving him

individual like credits, it just says clones and then it's his name. So they didn't give him like all the bad batch of characters and then all the side clones because it would look ridiculous. Yeah. Just be 50 names that are all just him, which I think would be hilarious. Commander Cody, Captain Rek, Rekker. Just all of them. Yeah. All of them. All of them. What do you guys think of this monster creature? They basically just stole Gravemind from Halo.

Gravemind from Halo. Okay. Yeah. Kirk, what did you think of this one? It's just another forgettable monster for me. I couldn't really see as much just because the whole episode was quite dark. It was quite dimly lit. But yeah, yeah. It kind of kind of reminded me of that. Nothing. I know we're never going to see it again. So it kind of just flashed my mind. I thought it was very, it was very reminiscent of the Pirates of the Caribbean Kraken. I thought

it was very- Well, it was Sarlacc-y. Is that what you mean? Well, yeah. That's what I was about to say. It did kind of look Sarlacc-y. Yeah. It did look Sarlacc-y for sure. But at the same time, the mouth and everything with all those teeth, it was very- If you look up Kraken from Pirates of the Caribbean 3, or sorry, 2, whichever one, yeah, 2, it'll be almost identical. You know what else has that mouth? The Raftars. The Raftars. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

The Raftars, yeah. I'm proud of myself. Yeah. I was just thinking about what moves like that. And then, yeah, I just remember. We only saw the Raftars in episode 7, didn't we? In the films. They came up in- Yeah, in the films, yeah. And they've come up one other time, I think, too. Was it in the books? I can't remember. No, I think, were they in Bad Batch at any point? Maybe. I know they've came up more than they should have. They've been in some books. They've been in some books.

To the point where they've seemed weirdly common. Yeah, yeah. No, I like this creature. It's kind of cool. I thought at first it was going to be kind of cheesy, like having another monster episode, but- They kind of stole the vines thing from The Last of Us. I was thinking of Drengear, High Republic stuff. I was thinking like, oh, maybe this has something to do with the plants, you know, from the monster plants.

But it ended up being kind of more interesting than that. It wasn't a plant at all. It was just super long tentacles that this thing had- I thought it was pretty cool. It's a cool idea. How I would explain it, it is a Sarlacc mixed together with Gravemind because it kind of has the centerpiece, same as Gravemind or the Sarlacc, but modeled after the Sarlacc. But the tentacles have been

replaced with these vines that grow out. And it's very Gravemind slash flood-like, where if you cut it off and they turn into the little popcorn flood that tried to affect you. Yeah. And those little things were basically like alien facehugger aliens, like those- Yeah, there were some of them. If you cut off a vine piece, it transforms into this like- Let's combine all of the sci-fi monster aliens in one thing.

I would love to be in that meeting, you know? Just to hear what everyone has to say about making the best monster possible for this episode. I genuinely think it was a cool idea. Yeah, yeah. It'd make a really good horror setting. Yeah. That aside though, there really wasn't a crazy amount of substance this episode, other than saving three more clones and putting them on Pabu.

Yeah. I do want to know more about the clone cadets. It got me wondering about them, just in general, because after Revenge of the Sith, we don't really know anything about what happened to them. They just get dumped? Did they- Well, that's what the first two seasons of the show was about, is- Not the clones, but not the cadets specifically, because the cadets will be significantly less useful to the Empire than full soldiers.

Yeah. Well, I think that's why even more so, the cadets just, instead of becoming troops, they just stay at the base and they get transported from testing facility to testing facility, like all hemlocks experimental places. That's kind of what that one kid was saying. I was like, oh yeah, they took our blood and we were just basically doing nothing. And then they bombarded the place, right? I was going to say in the first part, but it wasn't sure if it was episode one or two.

When Batcha was, I think, or maybe it was episode three, it's all blurred together, but when he was set free, the animal- The first one, yeah. Yeah, yeah. That security system at that very time, it's just a tunnel that goes outside. It's just this small tunnel that goes outside. So if you just go out of that, there's like, they had, I think, and I won't say it yet, but they had a little bit more of a security measure that they showed in the next episode, but it's just a really long tunnel.

Why does that even exist? Why does that even exist? Like, isn't that a cage? I'll bring that up in the third one. It's so odd. Because yeah, I do have something to say about that. That was, that's a funny thing. Okay, probably points of poodles for this one. I'm going to award it a one. Yeah. I mean, the driving force of this one was definitely that the monster was cool, at least for me. I'll give it one and a half,

just solely based on that. And I was curious about the cadets and stuff. That was a cool, light shined on something I hadn't thought about before. Right. Yeah. What about you, Kirk? I'm going to give this one a bend to, actually. I want to go right in the middle. I don't think there was much here that got me

super interested, but there was just a little point. Again, if this was like a one giant episode, I think it might be more sense, but yeah, there's nothing too good, nothing too bad in this episode

for me. Fair enough. Yeah, that's fair. Kind of a side note that this episode got me thinking about, I don't think current canon Star Wars, correct me if I'm wrong, has talked about the fact or approached the clones from the perspective that during the war, and this is almost immediately after, so I'm going to group it in, but the fact that they're essentially like 10 to 12 year old boys or kids. Yeah. Well, they've talked about that in the Clone Wars a few times.

They actually talked about specifically the fact that they are, even though they're hardened soldiers and they appear to be grown adults, that they're actually would have the mental capacity of a 10 year old kid. I don't think they've dived deep into that. I know in maybe one of the books,

I do recollect something. Karen Travis's novels, the commander novels talked about that quite a bit, and I think it mostly came up because one of them had a relationship with a Jedi, and she, it was from her perspective that she was noticing this, and she kept forgetting that that was the case because it's so, you're talking to someone who looks like they're 26. You're not going to

think, oh, they're actually 13. But I always thought that was such an interesting narrative point, and it hasn't been touched story-wise, integrated very well or talked about. It would be nice if they talked about that, I think, in this show. This show is probably the best avenue to do that. It is now that Clone Wars is done, quotations. Yeah, for sure. But also, Clone Wars didn't have the time to do that necessarily. We're talking about that like

six seasons. Yeah, but every single one of them felt like it was just telling another- There is enough time. Another crucial story of the war, and I'm sure there's a lot of fluff episodes where they could have gotten to it. Bad Batch, though, we've gotten to know these clones almost better than any other clone other than Rex, right? And so I feel like this is the

show that it could happen or could have happened so far. Yeah, but I mean- Yeah, man, because just think about the fact that those cadets, they're trying to be soldiers or whatever. They look to be 10, 12, but they're probably only five or six. I think what really put into perspective for me was in the first season of The Bad Batch, Omega says to Crosshair and Hunter, I think, that she was there when they were born and that she is what basically watched

them grow up, right? And that, to me, put it into perspective because I always look at Omega as the little kid. Right. But in actual fact, she's just a non-battle-hardened, regular human being, whereas the other is just thrown into war kind of thing, born for what they do, right? And that's all they know. So they've become quite mature. But to Omega, who's been in a lab her whole life, she also doesn't know what it's like to be a kid because when she meets Hera for the

first time, she's like, oh, what's this? It's like a toy. Oh, you can do stuff with your life? You want to be a pilot? Oh, that's cool. And she's never really given thought to the idea of living free because the only other time she's had to live is on the run, right? And so I think that's where it kind of came full circle to me of like, oh, yeah, these guys are so young and still... Their life is very regimented. Their life is so, yeah, I guess short still, right?

That too. Yeah. And Omega's been through so much and she's being perceived as the kid when in actual fact, she's... So seeing her in the prison and stuff is like, dang, this sounds like deep stuff there. All right. Let's move on to episode three, shall we? Let's do it. Shadows of Tantus. Before Emperor Palpatine's arrival at Mount Tantus, Nalise warns Omega that

she must escape the facility. After Emery takes a sample of Omega's blood, Nalise urges Omega to steal a shuttle and escape or else her life will be in danger and provides her her data pad for access to the facility. More like she suggests for her to steal it. Palpatine arrives to learn about the progress of Project Necromancer. Omega fails to destroy the blood sample but manages to free Crosshair. Upon learning that all shuttles are grounded because of Palpatine's

visit, Omega and Crosshair escape through the Lurca kennel chutes. Emery attempts to stop them but is stunned by Crosshair, inadvertently triggering an alarm. After neutralizing the search team, Crosshair and Omega steal the shuttle or a shuttle but end up being pursued. But after learning from Emery that Omega's blood has a high M count, Hemlock calls off the pursuit. And two big things being name dropped here, M count being midi-chlorians,

midi-chlorian count, as well as Project Necromancer. Which we've heard before, right? Project Necromancer, we can start with that. And then we'll move on to the Lurca kennel chutes, Kirk, because I have something to say about that. Which one? The Lurca kennel chutes. The doggy door. The doggie doors. That's right. So Project Necromancer was last brought up in season three of The Mandalorian. This is the

episode called Shadow Council, or The Shadow Council. And I love that this is being brought up because we've always suspected that Project Necromancer had something to do with Moff Gideon's clones of himself in that season finale. So assuming that he used the research of Project Necromancer for his own gain, it means that Project Necromancer was always dedicated to

cloning. And the fact that Palpatine is showing up to Mount Tantus to check on his Project Necromancer is very highly, I guess, suspected to be his contingency plan for cloning himself. For Rise of Skywalker. For Rise of Skywalker. The name makes sense because Necromancer, Necromancy, which is raising the dead. This just makes me realize more that freaking Palpatine spent 50 to almost 100 years doing this plan only to get dusted by Rey in like two minutes. He didn't know who he was messing with,

his own granddaughter, apparently. His own granddaughter. Because I was wondering the whole time, because we see they go to check on the project and go down that creepy corridor with all the, what do they call, the Rey shields. Oh, the laser gates. That's right. And they get to it and there's all these tube capsule things, they open up, you don't see it, just a bright light that comes out. And it got me thinking, is that Rey's dad?

So yeah, there's a really good, assuming that, because there's no way that Palpatine would make clones with growth or aging enhancements intentionally, right? The only way that he would have clones that would accelerate in age is because they're aging and decaying, the process isn't working. And in episode nine, that's part of the problem. He can't sustain himself in a cloned body very long before needing to transfer over to another body,

however that works. So that's why his whole plan of using Rey as a vessel instead is supposedly supposed to work because she has a genetic offspring of a failed clone of his that ended up turning out all right in the sense that it was a successful human being that didn't die off right away. But the problem being is he didn't have enough midi-chlorians to be a worthy vessel. Right. So I think we read the shadows of the Sith book, is that what it's called? With Luke

and Lando and Rey's parents? I believe so. I always get the names mixed up. I'm pretty sure it's that one. Yeah. So that sounds right. In that book, I think they revealed his name. Squib. I was thinking of the name. Yeah. So Rey's a non-force user. Yeah. Rey's dad is,

his name is Dathan and like Nathan except D, so Dathan. And there was a really good chance that because he looked like he was maybe 40 years old, like when in those flashback scenes, which is when Rey was a kid or maybe in his mid thirties, but like those flashbacks happened when Rey was like a really young girl, which means that that was probably around 10 years or so after episode six. Right. Or 15 years after. It's basically when that, when that book takes place. Right.

So like 15 years, halfway between episodes six and seven. I think there's a young Rey in that book. Yeah, there is. Yeah. So, so that means though, that Dathan is a likely, like the science behind Dathan's birth is already in progress at this point in time, because the time that's needed for him to be born, grow up, become the age we see him to be, assuming there's no growth enhancements involved and then have him die in that flashback scene or whatever,

means that he should be born around now. So this project necromancer thing could in fact work out to being an origin story for Dathan and Palpatine's cloning sort of plant, right? That ends up getting moved to Exegol at some point in time. Yeah. I think, I think this is a much better, even though I did trash a little bit before, I think this is a much better storyline compared to what we got in the Battlefront II campaign with the project. Oh no, I forgot it was mentioned in Mandalorian

as well. The Cinder? Yeah. Operation, Operation Cinder. Well, I think Operation Cinder was the attack on the Imperial planet. But how, yeah, but, but how this, I think this compares better compared to how Palpatine was put in that robot with the pre-recordings and everything. That's just how I see it. Oh yeah. At least. Yeah. Those like sentinel droids, which had like his face in the, in the- That's from the Aftermath trilogy. Yeah. Yeah. So like, yeah, for sure. But, and

like all this is supposed to be very secretive, very, very hidden. So like not even people within the Empire would know what project necromancer is all about. And, you know, that's definitely something to keep in mind. And, you know, when we're watching shows like the Mandalorian and like the Shadow Council, like bringing up project necromancer, like this is high, high ranking officials that like only, you know, sort of maybe some of them know about the project,

but not, maybe not all of them know what it is. Right. Stuff like that. Right. I'm kind of curious what Palpatine's end goal is because the first thing I thought of when I was watching this episode and trying to put the pieces together was it started to feel a bit like that the Apple, Apple plus show was based on those novels. Which show was that? What was it called? Foundation. Thank you. That's the one. Yeah. It seems like the, the Emperor from Foundation where

is just to keep, he's a clone of himself. Yeah. And they just keep cycling through, but maybe Palpatine would move his consciousness between them. Only I can live forever. That's right. Harry Potter. I thought, I thought, were you doing a Voldemort impression there? Yeah. Yeah. You got it. Okay. Good. I didn't know who it was. It's always the big baddie wants to live forever. That's right. I mean, they would never want to die because they're that selfish. Yeah. It's never,

it's never some schmo on the street that wants to live forever. They want to like get out of there in 10 years time, but the baddies want to live. They still have the means. Yeah. The other thing that was brought up is a midi chlorine count. So a midi M count, they're shortening it to M count. And I just thought that this was a really wise decision to put this in the show because it's a part of Canon. It's a big part of why life exists in Star Wars, you know, without many

chlorines life would not exist. Yeah. And so naturally it would play a big part in cloning and even in a bigger part for cloning force user individuals. Wait, no 99 since 99. Yeah. 25 years. 25 years anniversary for M count. That's crazy. Yeah. So I thought it was a really good idea. And you know, more so hinting at the fact that Palpatine is trying to find a blood concoction of some kind that would help him build a vessel for himself that has the M count genes to to

support his power. Right. Right. Okay. This is just dawning on me now because I was wondering about this and I never put it together. So when they're doing the blood samples and the big wheel, we love blood, there's some blood that kind of trickles down into each one. It's probably his blood. That's what I'm wondering. So do you think they're seeing if the like the donor blood will

be accepted? Yeah, I think so. Definitely. Definitely. Yeah. I feel like they're trying to just see if they if the two blood types match or they're able to keep the have a stable or whatever. Yeah. And if they're compatible. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I also find it matches the pattern with him needing Ray. Right. So like so Ray is a girl. Right. But all of his failed clones, which were all guys, you know, all males, like none of it worked. It almost like almost like if

you were to take a copy of something, copy it directly. It's never as good as the original version. Right. Like it's like a file. Like it constantly just gets like, you know, decompressed or like compressed and compressed and compressed because it's the same code over and over again. Yeah. But she's not. She's not like any of the other clones because she's a girl. Right. So her code is different. I'm going to poke a hole in your plan. What about the lady doctor that's doing

the blood samples? Why wouldn't her blood work then? Well, she's modified because she has genetic growth acceleration. But then also there might be other things about her that are incompatible because because she's too old. Too old she is. Yeah. And, you know, it's like there's obviously got to be some magic match going on here. Like, you know, maybe she was a higher chance of it working out. Maybe maybe it didn't work out. Right. So like clearly Nala Say had an idea

was going on though. Yeah, for sure. I think she knew that Omega would be compatible. And this is kind of what makes me curious is like maybe she was trying to make Omega like a force capable clone. Right. Initially, like the Lego show. I never watched that. But they made a force since a new clone. So like in with with Dathan. Right. Like with Dathan being a failed clone of Palpatine, which is crazy to think that that's what Palpatine looked like when he was young.

But he ends up going out having a kid after he's basically released into the wild, so to speak. And Palpatine's grand plan. Palpatine has the knowledge that this guy would be able to produce a vessel that would be worthy. Right. So he Palpatine already knows something when he has Dathan and decides to release him into the galaxy and then have him followed. I feel like that was a happy coincidence because I don't think Palpatine would have expected that or else he would just

sent sent. Well, otherwise he wouldn't have known. Right. Like if they just let him go. Because I think in the book, it revealed that like they more or less let him go. But if they just let him go and literally just didn't care and he ends up having a kid like Palpatine would never know about that. Right. So like he knows that Ray exists. Like he knows through the whole and this is the stupid story that I always find kind of ridiculous to believe

that Palpatine knows that Ray is around and is a thing the entire trilogy. Right. But that's sort of the whole grand plan, I guess, is that like I have our time believing that part because if it's a grand plan, why didn't he just use Dathan's DNA and use a lady's DNA and just make a two baby or. Right. Well, OK. Yeah. So bring women in. That's being pregnant. And that is a episode nine debate, an issue that I like. I mean, obviously, I'm the emperor. That's a really good point,

though. Right. Like that's a really good point. There's a lot of like things I could throw at that and go like, well, this would have been a better idea. But I think the only explanation is he didn't know. And then he figured it out once it took place. Maybe maybe maybe he hadn't followed and then realized like, oh, and that's why they because like he was hunting Ray and that's when they hit her. Yeah. So I feel like that's likely the point where he figured it out. Maybe.

But yeah, I find there is something something there that is pattern like with the fact that like it's now omega is also like a key to to his to his continuous lifespan. Right. So it seems like he's consistently reliant upon something other than clones of himself to to stay alive. And that's that's sort of, you know, maybe it's the force fighting back. Right. You know,

something like that. But that was a really cool part of the story. I liked a lot. And, you know, I hope we get more answers in regards to that, which I'm sure we will. You know, it's the final season. So because that's still the explanation for Anakin. Right. Yeah. Well, that was a legend's book. Darth Plagueis talking about Anakin has chosen one, you know, being born because the force is fighting back. Yeah. But they haven't

he's still canon being born as in Shmi doesn't know happened. That's right. But they they haven't said anything else. All right. So that seems like it's still the most likely answer. Yeah, probably. Yeah. Stuff that they need to recanonize or figure out. Yeah, for sure. Oh, that being said, there is to celebrate the rerelease of the Phantom Menace in theaters, which is a piece of news that has been sparking up a lot of interest lately. I saw that Marvel is going to be doing a couple

short stories bound in one comic volume, kind of pre-luting the Phantom Menace. And it's a bunch of things like Anakin's dream of freeing all the slaves and being a Jedi and stuff. And there's one about Shmi, I think, in there. There's one there's one called the Tusken and the Gift or something like that. And then there's there's a few others, but they're all kind of in relation to the Phantom Menace. So maybe there's some stuff in there that maybe we'll.

Yeah, it's a good opportunity to get them to explore. Yeah, totally. Let's talk. Let's talk these these these Lurka kennel shoots, Kirk. So when we're watching the episode, Kirk. The theory I've been waiting for. Oh, yeah. So when we're watching this episode, I had a Nick here, a buddy of mine. He's been on the podcast before. And as they're like running down the tunnel, right, like the security systems activated and all the ratios are like activating one

after the next behind them, like on their heels. And he was just like, why don't they just have one at the end that just turns on? I was like, man, like, that is so true. But at the same time, you know, it's just so ridiculous that these things are literally built for like essentially dogs and they have like fricking 20 of them. Yeah, it was like 50. What's the likelihood that they'll even get through one? And they all they all like some like sequentially went on in the

absolute wrong order that they should have been turned on. They should have gone from like back to front or from the entry on the outside to that way. Oh, totally. Like I genuinely I generally thought that I was going to get stuck or something. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I thought I thought someone was going to get stuck, too. Like maybe that some like Omega would get stuck behind the like the last one or whatever separated. Yeah. Or it'll be just the wrong place at the wrong time. It doesn't get cut

in half. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. What were you saying before? I guess not. I was wondering. My thoughts are it comes from the inside out because that would be better to stop people trying to break in. Yeah, I guess so. Yeah. But it still doesn't mean you can just turn them all at once. Yeah, it's weird. It's weird, right? Why? Why? Why is it? Why does that tunnel even exist? Like, why are they not bringing these animals in a separate door and then just putting them

in their cages? But no, they have to have a specific tunnel that goes. It reminds me from there to the to the. It reminds me of Jurassic Park or Jurassic World, right? I think they have something similar in the like the maybe in like the velociraptor cages or something like that. They've got like individual housing, individual housing, and then they have like a lot like a blast door sort of thing where they can let them out within like a larger other area. But then,

yeah. And they also they also all have like the neck collars and whatever else. The difference is they have Chris Pratt. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But that's no way. I thought that was just so funny that there's like 20 of those things. I was like, those literally just serve the purpose of this one scene. Yeah. There's like no real reason to have them. They need an excuse. Yeah. They want to make it intense. Yeah. I want to make

it intense. Right. But yeah, like I would have like almost been inclined to have something else, like maybe some droid like the other dog get released. And those ones are the ones that are like vicious and like they're bullying on the friend dog. Yeah. Like the ones that aren't badger and like they would come chasing them down the tunnel or whatever. And then the last

ray shield gets activated and then then they get stopped. Right. But like, I don't know, there's like you could think of like 20 other good reasons other than like 50 ratio walls. You know, you know, in the past, how we've discussed how like there's tons of spin offs of spin offs now. Do you know what would be an interesting story? Well, we had we had Rogue One, which was a spin off to tell us a story about why there was an exhaust port in the Death Star.

Well, there should be a spin off movie to tell us why there was a tunnel that led to the outside of this base, a Star Wars story. Here's another good question. Why was there no ray shield over the like the port for the Death Star? You know, like it's literally just like an open hole. There's no there's no ratio or anything. It won't vent properly into space. Well, we can't ask Galen Erso now because he's gone. That's a good point. Right. So what else? What

else about this episode do we like? I love that they actually had Ian McDermott voicing Palpatine. Oh, that was really cool. I noticed immediately. I'm like, oh, they got him. Yeah. I know he's spoken extensively about that last year at Celebration. They got Ian McDermott on stage a number of times and, you know, asked him about the Bad Batch and Rebels because he was in Rebels as well. And at one point for the last few seasons, the last actually was think it was the whole show

because not I know for sure wasn't the very beginning because that was Sam Witworth. Right. Not the first episode. Yeah. But like the rest of it whenever he showed up, which I think was just season three and four maybe. Yeah, it's pretty late. Yeah. They just had Vader through most of that show. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. But it was it was cool that they now that they've been bringing him back into the fold now that like the Emperor is kind of gone, gone. It's like extra gone

with the sequel trilogy. Right. Like, but who knows? Right. Like maybe without episode nine, maybe they wouldn't have brought him back at all because don't forget all these appearances, other than that Rebels finale appearance, all the appearances he's made has been post episode nine. So like maybe that reinvigorated the whole partnership, you know, the whole working

relationship there of bringing Ian back for like these small things. Yeah, it could be because I mean, at the point of Rise of Skywalker coming out, I feel like Dave Floney had moved up the ladder a lot. So he was able to talk more directly with Ian and then, oh yeah, I would do voice acting and, you know, here we are. Yeah, for sure. The next episode is called. Oh, wait, I have a question to that because I kept thinking he was there and then it wasn't. Where's Sam Witworth?

What do you mean in the show? Yeah, because he was in Clone Wars all the time and they'll find a good spot for him. Yeah. And then he Rebels was the only mall. He was mall and helped him for the very first episode. But yeah, I think, yeah, I think you're right. I think he was only mall. He's been exclusively mall for a while now, I think Clone Wars. He played lots of stuff. Did he? I thought he did. Am I crazy? Well, I thought it was mall in the sun and that was it in the sun for

mortis. I did more than that. Yeah, maybe we'll see him come back. Who knows? Be cool to see him back. Yeah, I always liked him. Keep Starkiller around. Yeah. The next episode is called A Different Approach comes out next next week on February 28th. And I'm hoping that we just continue where we left off because this particular story is fantastic. Anyone got any last minute things before we wrap it up here? Yeah. Do you ever think they'll sorry, I'll jump in there.

I paused and you came in strong. All right, that's what we're gonna do. Yeah. Do you think they'll ever call M Count the midichlorian count or they'll just they'll just keep it at whatever they keep calling it? I noticed they called it M Count on a number of occasions, including the Mandalorian. There was Dr. Pershing, I believe, also referred to midichlorians as M Count at one point when they were talking about Grogu, if I'm not mistaken. I've definitely heard

it in that show at least once. But yeah, you know, I think it is maybe the new way to say that the term that so many other fans tend to hate so much. Right. Because there's a whole group of people out there that aren't necessarily on board with midichlorians. And maybe it's like the new accepted way. Yeah. Like maybe it's like the new accepted kind of slang to shorten it so that it doesn't. They don't notice. Yeah. Hopefully it doesn't bring back all the PTSD of midichlorians

or something for these people. Trigger words. Yeah. Trigger words. Yeah. It's like, you know, I say midichlorians, you think Jar Jar, who knows, right? Like, like, it's like that, that psychological thing. What are midichlorians? What's that? What's the Oral Knots one? Oh, man. It's cocaine. Something like that. No, it's heroin. It's heroin. Yeah. That's what it is. Right. But Master Qui-Gon, what are midichlorians? It's heroin.

Shout out to Oral Knots channel on YouTube for dubbing all the Star Wars movies. And it's great. Actually, I'm going to give another another shout out to Oral Knots, because fun fact that we, when I was over at Albuquerque doing the Star Wars collaborations for the retro campaign, they composed the song for the Andor spot. And they were absolutely awesome. I can't remember.

I can't remember the guys there. But yeah, they were they were really good. And they did the score for all the promo work off that because they did an amazing Andor promo, but not like an Andor 1975. I think they called it where they made the show like a TV intro from the 70s. And then I saw that and that was like a really good inspiration for the retro video. So yeah, those guys are those guys are pretty awesome. Yeah, they do good work over there. Yeah. Still

waiting for dub versions of the other the other sequels. Did they do seven? Right then, fellas. I think that's pretty much it. How long after Revenge of the Sith does this take place? Well, season one picks up like right away, because it's like this first episode is still Horde 66, right? OK, if I were to estimate, it's going to be only a few years. It's got to be like season three, I would imagine is probably going to end around the five year mark. OK,

if I were to estimate. OK, because I noticed that Stormtroopers, they all have this new, like early version armor. Oh, that was introduced last season. Yeah. The proto trooper, right? Yeah, exactly. But the royal guard already looked like the royal guard from episode six. Yeah. Well, the royal guards looked like that since episode three or two, even. I thought they were blue. No. Well, in episode one, I think we had blue ones. Those are senate

guards. OK. But the royal guards have always been red, if I'm not mistaken. This exact same look with that kind of red cowl. Yeah. In episode three, it was red guards at the door when Yoda walks in and he just goes, boom. And then they hit the floor. I always thought they were blue. Yeah, they're red. Yeah, the design's been around for a while. OK. Well, never mind then, because I was thinking it's weird that they transition so fast, but everyone else. Yeah,

I think that's because they're not clones necessarily all the time, right? Like, well, actually, that's not true. That's not true. They were clones. Yeah, they were clones. And then eventually they transitioned out of that. And there was that book that we read called Lords of the Sith, which there was like one clone or something that was like still left. Yeah,

still left. But then all the other ones weren't. Is that the one? Is that the book where Darth Vader and Palpatine fight all those bugs and then Darth Vader is building toys and Palpatine's like dancing with children around a fire or something? Yes, something like that. I need references to this. What have I been seeing? Disney canon. That's not word for word what happened. But I'm not. I'm sure it's not 100 percent accurate, but I remember something vaguely

like this. There was a moment where that Palpatine tried to kill that little Twi'lek girl and then Vader like saved her. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. Wait, so Palpatine dancing around the fire with kids and then he killed the Twi'lek girl? While Darth Vader's making toys. He wasn't dancing. He was present as the Twi'leks were having a campfire. He was doing something. I'm getting mixed messages here. I can't remember exactly what he was doing, but I'm sure he was doing something

there. Something weird. Why is this happening? Yeah. Yeah. There was a bunch of people around a campfire or something or a bonfire and they were having some sort of event or dinner or whatever and they were witnessing the event. And yeah, that was... We got to look up this quote now. I can't remember where it was in the book, but it's near the end. But yeah. Anyway, clones, you know, just so we can wrap it up here. We're at an hour and 30. Royal guards. Yeah. Design

consistent proto stormtroopers. If I were to take a swing at guessing what's going to happen with these guys, I think they're going to change the design by the end of season three. I think time is going to be accelerated forward halfway through the season, maybe. And we're going to get the redesign of the stormtrooper at some point in this show. And Bad Batch season three is going to be the full circle bringing us into the time period of a Jedi survivor, which in that show, I think we

do have stormtroopers, like full on full fledged armored stormtroopers. Once we hit rebels, yeah, it's proper stormtroopers. Oh, that's way later. Yeah. That's even after Kenobi and stuff. But like early, early days, Jedi survivor is probably the biggest like staple story on screen that we know of. And that's stormtroopers in that game. So yeah, if I were, if I said like Bad Batch season three is going to end at the five year mark, it means that those stormtroopers have to transition

at that point. Or maybe not. Maybe we get both of them floating around for a while. Who knows, right? But yeah, that's just my estimation. So all right. I think that's all we got. So also, we haven't talked about it yet, but I did want to throw out a notable just because it's still the same month and I didn't want it to get too far. But obviously we had a huge loss this month with Carl Weathers, who was a legendary actor. You know, a lot of people know him from the Rocky

series or Predator Predator. Yeah. Predator as well. The legendary gift handshake with the man. I still use that. I use it all the time. I use it all the time. Apparently he's such a nice guy. Rest of development is also very popular on everyone who knows him was so, you know, just like he's such a respectful human being, you know, he was well respected by his peers

and by his coworkers. And I was a genuinely good person. Yeah. Yeah. And like one of those Hollywood actors that like you watch and like all the behind the scenes and interviews and whatever else. And like they don't have that ego about them or anything like that. They're just like, I don't know, just like, just like, it's like, you're a good person. You know what I mean? I got similar vibes from Danny Trejo at the expo the other day. People are, they just,

they just have this aura. Like you can just chow them and they're just going to be like normal people. Right. Right. Some A-list actors, like they almost seem unapproachable. You know what I mean? Like they live in another world. Yeah. Totally. Totally. Yeah. Carl, Kirk, what do you remember of Carl Weathers? Happy Gilmore was like a huge part of my childhood. I remember. I think I watched, I watched that movie. I had an iPod Nano or like the first one

with like the screen, like it was like a two inch screen or something. And I watched Happy Gilmore like 30,000 times, I reckon on that thing. And yeah, that's where I first remember Carl Weathers from. And I've only, I've only just rewatched like the Rocky series as well as he's just got such a good presence in Mandalorian. And I was actually, I was actually rewatching the Disney gallery. Maybe not Disney gallery, but behind the scenes of Mandalorian season one. And he's quite

prevalent in a lot of those interviews. Yeah. Like what you guys are saying, he's such a, seems like such a gentle soul and such a nice person. And yeah, I always listen, enjoyed listening to hearing him talk as well. So I was, yeah, it was a big shock. Yeah. Big shock. And he, he directed a few episodes too here and there. I think he directed one or two and in. Mandalorian. Yeah. Mandalorian. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. So. Also I didn't realize he was a

ex NFL player. Yeah. He was an ex BC Lions player. Oh, sorry. Was it CFL? CFL. CFL. Okay. Yeah. Football. And so he played for our local, our local team. And he was in Vancouver last year. So, you know, thankfully I was there at that one and got to see his panel and got to watch him answer fan questions and watch him talk. And he was just such a genuine guy, you know, standing up there and just really appreciative of all his fans and, you know, people like loving

what he did. He's done in his career. And so, yeah, so it's a, so it's a loss to, to Star Wars fans, to fans of, of Carl Weathers. And, and yeah, I just wanted to throw that out there before we, before we finish the month of February. So yeah, here's to Carl Weathers. They're here. All right. Thank you guys for coming on the show. And naturally, you know, we'll see you in the next one for Bad Batch season three, episode four after show coming out next week. Crazy. Crazy.

It's weird it's technically episode four. Yeah. Return to Pabu. Return to off. Oh no. Nope. Pabu strikes back. Hopefully there's no Pabus in this, in this entire show going forward. But all right, Kirk, thanks so much, man. And thanks for having me again. Oh, wait, actually, wait, did we do Pabu Points of Poodas for this episode, this third one? I don't think we did. Okay. Two for me. Two for me. Yeah, I would say two. Cause I know I did watch through these twice and this

one, even though it felt like it had some big reveals, it also was mostly action. Yeah. So the second time watching through wasn't as interesting actually as the first one, which just felt like a slow burn. Yeah. Anyway, but I agree with Kirk that all three of them together make it actually a really good story. Yeah. And all of them together, I'd probably give about two and a half. A wise choice airing them all together in one clump like that. That was a good move.

But it makes me worry that we're going to get same thing as season two, which is a huge opener. That's awesome. And then nothing happens for six episodes. And then a really good closer. Season two of what? A bad batch. The one that's already passed? Yeah. A lot has happened last year. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Strong comparing to the previous one. Gotcha. Gotcha. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I see what you mean. Oh, well it's the final season. So hopefully they don't waste any time. Yeah. I'm

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