Time to abandon ship. Oh no! Here we go. Can I persuade you to join us for a drink? It's a tradition. Here, here. Jar Jar, homie, my main man, quickly. Before the separatists attack, get into the escape pod. Hey! This is escape, then we're the pod. This is escape pod! Welcome back to Star Wars Escape Pod. I'm your host, Josh, and this is another week of the Bad Batch After Show, with only two left in the series. We're diving deep into Season 3, Episode 14.
Well, I guess this is the last one, the second last one in the series. And then we'll have one more. This was an interesting episode, it's called Flash Strike, and we're going to be joining Darien as well as our co-host, Blake, in the podcast, in the escape pod. And then after, we'll transition to some fan questions from Syfy on the Rock. Shout out to everyone in Newfoundland right now. Thank you so much for dropping by and answering some questions for us on the behalf of Star Wars Escape Pod.
And yeah, we'll get into that, I guess, later in the episode, so stay tuned for that. Let's get into it. Another happy landing. Well, hello there, Blake. Hello there, Chut-Chut. Chut-Chut. Always good to have you back. Another Star Wars week. Thanks, dude. Good to be here. Very, very exciting. So this is basically the pre-season finale. Yeah. The penultimate episode of the season. Yeah. The penultimate episode of the season. The pre-season finale. Yeah. The penultimate episode of the series.
Which is pretty nuts. I know, I thought there was going to be two more just because I happened to notice on Disney Plus that the other seasons had 16 episodes. Oh, we got two left. Exactly. So yeah, I mean, honestly, I'm not entirely sure how far it could go. But yeah, here's our guest this week, Darian. Welcome back to Star Wars Escape Pod. Hello. Good to have you back. Chut-Chut to you, Darian. Yeah, Chut-Chut.
And your insight into some of these characters has always been very interesting to hear. So your take on the psych-geist, if you will, of some of these characters. It might be a garbage compactor on the other end. Yeah. I think we lost Darian. I went down to shoot. I can still hear you. There you go. Be careful. I think it might be magnetically sealed down there. Yeah. So Flash Strike. This is the 14th episode of season 3. This was directed by Nate Villanueva and written by Brad Rowe.
Names that we hear many times. And this came out April 24th, 2024. And I will read the summary here. We can just dive right in. Hemlock is alerted that the Bad Batch infiltrated the Relay Station and sends fighters to intercept the incoming vessel. Hunter, Wrecker, Crosshair, and Rampart are forced to crash near Tantus Base and continue on foot.
Hunted by stormtrooper patrols with the base on high alert, Omega takes advantage of the distraction to scout her planned escape route and finds the Zillow Beast in an underground enclosure. In the jungle, Rampart accidentally awakens a large creature that attacks them. He is separated from the others and gets captured. Echo infiltrates the base and encounters Embry, who tells them about the other children being held with Omega.
So it really was kind of just another episode that progressed the same story. We've been watching for weeks now. I feel like it was... Yeah. It's weird to think that this is kind of the finale because it feels like it's not even anywhere close to being over. You know what I mean? It has all built up to this moment, but I know what you mean. The momentum is not quite there. You've dropped one specific word that I actually wasn't sure if it was the case or not. Zillow Beast.
Has this been confirmed? The Zillow Beast from the Clone Wars? Yeah, so we have seen it. So Omega was looking through the rafters of that tube, the air ducts. I wondered if that was the Zillow Beast from Clone Wars. I paused it on the frame and I looked. That's a fully grown Zillow Beast. Because I didn't compare. Wait, fully grown? Because Zillow Beast in Clone Wars skyscraper size was basically Godzilla. I think it is skyscraper size is just in a giant pool. Like it must be really deep.
It's really tall. A lot of room left or right, but it's really tall. Yeah, that place is amazing. Amazingly tall. Yeah, but Darian, what did you think of this episode? I didn't feel like this one moved as much as... It's all stuff that we needed to see and I was kind of waiting for the Zillow Beast. The last week being like, I think the Zillow Beast is going to be the like, this is how we're going to escape, just unleash havoc. So I'm happy that they foreshadowed that.
You think the Zillow Beast is the Calvary. The last episode is called what's it called? The Calvary has arrived. So maybe the Zillow Beast is the Calvary. I'm hoping that the Calvary is the Clone Underground, personally. Oh, that'd be cool. That was a story thread I really wanted to follow and we just didn't get anywhere. Yeah, you mentioned this way early on the series. You wanted to see the clones versus like clones.
Yeah, dude, like the old EU so originally when Palpatine did Order 66, there was like two types of clones. There was like the original clones that were through the ward and there's the Flash clones and then they used the Flash clones to turn on the regular clones and then there's the Battle of Kamino. You may have played that new Battlefront 2 game. Yes. So in that specific scenario, the Kaminoans continued to create more Django clones and they were then trying to defend against the Empire.
Was that something you would want to see, Darren? Yeah, I was surprised that they didn't go that direction. Like that was probably my favorite part of Battlefront 2's that arc that, you know, it's brother versus brother. You get to see Mark 1 versus Mark 2 are brother versus brother. Like there was a lot that really went on there. Brother versus brother, yeah. Man, it was such a good storyline. I'm so surprised
they didn't keep it in. But we kind of got like a little bit of it and I believe it was the first season of Bad Batch. Yeah. Because they were on Kamino there, right? It's just we never actually saw Open by Gorg. Right. Yeah, that was more like you have a completely uniform set of clones and then you've got these abnormalities that are affront to their entire culture. Right. So it's not exactly the same thing as fighting literally the exact copy of you and what your culture has been.
I can trust them because they army up to that point. They army. The army. It's an army of armies. The army of armies. Look at Rick's come up with an army so quickly. I would love to like pick Filoni's brain on why they didn't do it though. Because like I feel like that was a much better story arc. Maybe, is there any wiggle room left? Have we now like completely solidified that canon area? Because I know as we saw through the Bad Batch series. Oh yeah, see? There we go. See
that should have been the battle. They just skipped that part. I guess now they're changing it. Now instead of the home of the clones, now it's going to be the home of these new TK units. You know, the ones that are being trained by the commandos. On Kamino? No, but I find it very eerily similar in sort of a parallel way that the buildings on Tantus, the way that the mountains are shaped and everything, are kind of reminiscent of the domed planets on
Kamino. You know, like the big training facilities on Kamino and the cloning factories, right? It's basically almost like just a different version of that, but for stormtroopers. Yeah, a little more triangular. But still kind of the same sort of idea. You know, it's just a big, massive fricking thing. You know, it doesn't look like your typical military garrison, if you will, or whatever you want to call it, the
barracks. You know, just like your typical vehicles everywhere, lots of concrete, lots of small structures, kind of like a mini city. It's not really like that. It's kind of like Kamino in the sense that it's these massive buildings that have a curvatureed shape, even though it's like a mountain. It's a mountain. If anything, I think it's closer to, what is it? Starkiller Base. Yeah, but that's like a whole planet. Yeah, that's like the most extreme version of it, right?
Right, right, yeah. Well, if you think about it, that's a good metaphor between them, because you've got on Kamino, everything's very plain and round and not much detail, which is a good metaphor for the clones. You know, they're all identical. There's not much variance. Then you go to Tantus, and you've got all these trees and life, and it's way more protected, and they don't trust anything, and there's multiple of them, but they're trying to
essentially do the same thing. And then when you go to Starkiller Base, everything's dead on the planet, and everything's been strip mined, and they're still patrolling it, even though there's really no threat there. What did you guys like about this episode? Because I enjoyed the action, and Omega sneaking around, and stuff. Echo was sneaking around. I actually really enjoyed Echo. Yeah, Echo finally echoed doing useful things, like that's kind of the nicest
part about it. And he got a hand. Yeah, he got a hand fricking finally, like at the end of the series, man, like I've been saying this for like three seasons, like can we not just put that Long John Silver arm on him from Treasure Planet and call him dead, right? That'd be the coolest. Yeah, but instead he just steals this droid's hand, which means he could have gotten the hand at any point in the last three seasons. Yeah, it's too bad he never worked at the
droid shop, right? Yeah. He was able to steal shuttles, and recruit troopers, and all these things. We just never had time to find a droid hand. Dude, it's just like, it bothers me. I love that it just like plug and play, like just, oh, it happened to be the same USB stick that I have. Yeah. I
wondered that too. Well, that's the thing. It's such a universal, it's like the Philips screwdriver, like that plug-in is the same thing that all the Astromech droids have, which is the same plug-in that like every faction in Star Wars universe uses for their computer terminals, it seems. It's the USB. It's believable. Yeah, it's believable that this is like the USB type
A of Star Wars, right? Like it almost seems like, yeah, if you have a droid, like it would be kind of, you know, plug and play sort of simple to just, you know, if you need data transfer plus power, boom, there you go. It's like one port. What I wondered then was the droid I stole it from, which I forget the specific code of its, what droid it is, but it's the same one that we see in Rebels, right? Yeah. So maybe wondering. Yeah, I believe they call it the Death
Star droid originally. Right. Let's go with that then. So the Death Star droid, did we ever see him remove his hand in Rebels? Because that's what I was wondering. No. Because that would mean for him to access any computer terminal, he'd have to take his hand off. You know, the one that sounded a bit like Severus Snape, that one? Yeah, the one that was fighting with Chopper. Yeah, yeah, that one. Yeah, yeah. Forget his name. But no, we never saw him remove his hand.
The one that was happy when he was floating out in space. That's right. Yeah, him. The one that's saying to himself. My favorite moment of Rebels is, no, no, leave me. I was finally happy. He's in the empty void. Oh, man. So it just made me think, though, if he ever needs to connect to a computer terminal, he's going to take his hand off, and they don't exactly have Dexter's hands, protocol droid. So I don't know if you ever get picked up, put it back on.
Yeah, yeah. See, where my brain immediately went to is, hey, you can give every R2 unit in the universe a hand down. I didn't even think about that. If there's any droid builders listening, it needs to be done. I've obviously I've got the one note saying, Zillow Beast returns. And I know you already mentioned this, but I'm pretty curious about this. It's probably the biggest thing in the episode.
That's the thing, right? So if anyone's curious as to what Zillow Beast is, and we keep going on about Zillow Beast through Bad Batch, this is a creature that did show up in the Clone Wars and had an arc in season two of Star Wars the Clone Wars. And basically the Republic go to the homeworld of the Dugs and help them do something to get their fuel, but basically they have to kill this Zillow Beast, and it's like this drop
that lives in the ground and stuff. Yeah, and basically they managed to subdue it to the point where they had to, under the Chancellor's orders, bring it back to Coruscant to research, yeah. The worst place to bring a giant lizard. It's a whole Godzilla episode where this thing gets out because it gets angry at the look of Palpatine. Oh man, remember who beats it up? Mace Windu, the guy who survived.
Well, yeah, it breaks out, causes chaos in the city, big power outages, it was could have been really cool if it was done in modern visuals. These shows have improved so much since season two of Clone Wars. And yeah, it was an interesting episode. Any fans of Godzilla would like it. And then they never really talked about it again. Yeah, it was weird. I guess they did. It died, and then Palpatine was said, like, clone the beast, and then they were like, okay, and then they never brought
it up for the rest of Clone Wars. I think Darien is going to point on this. What was that, Darien? They had it at the beginning, it was a bad batch. Remember, they accidentally drop it on that planet, and it's sucking all the power out of the machines. It kind of looked like an alien at first. Yeah, but that was bad batch, not Clone Wars. It still came back, though. It still came back. Yeah, yeah, but we've seen Zillabeast again, you know, in like a small form,
like what Darien was saying there. But like for the rest of Clone Wars, we never saw it again. It got pretty big, it was sucking all the power out of the military base. But for like, my point being, like, the last time that we saw this creature in a different show was like 2009 or something, or 2008. Right. Like it was a long time ago. Over 10 years ago. Yeah, like that's when this creature was like come up, came up with, that's where the story thread goes back to, right?
So like, for us to come all the way all this time, and finally kind of pick up the pieces, and it's like, okay, this is where that was going. It's pretty nuts. Josh, when you watched that episode of Clone Wars with Zillabeast, how old were you? I think I must have been like 14. Okay. And how old were you when they showed up in Bad Batch? Oh man, 2026? It's a long time. Yeah. It's a long time, dude. Like, it's like over a decade of waiting. Same with
Barriss. Barriss Offie. Like, we didn't find out what happened to Barriss, like, and that came out, like, at the end of season five. And that was a dead end story for the longest time, up until literally this past year with the trailer for Tales of the Empire. A really interesting character that had an interesting arc. She's one of the few Jedi that turned on the order. Yeah. And then they just left it. Yeah. We've been waiting ten years.
Ten years. And we all speculated that she would become an Inquisitor, and now we're going to see an episode where she's interacting with Inquisitors. Yeah, exactly. We finally get our wish. But yeah, so it's cool to see that back. But I love that, because one of the first rules of writing is always leave them wanting more. They made you wait a decade for each one of those storylines to be finished. Yeah. Just like George Lucas.
I think that there's bad batches got so many things going currently that they haven't answered. I'm hoping we get answered in another series. It's not ten years from now, right? Right. Exactly. How did you guys like that beast that showed, that big huge bear thing? Like, what did you think of that? How the heck did it not hear them right next to it? So it was sitting there, this thing is surviving in the jungle and it just sleeps
through it to the point where... It was one of those classic big monster reveals where you don't know it's a monster until it breathes or turns around or whatever. Well, when you're the biggest, baddest thing walking through the valley of death, you don't fear much. That's true. I think it's probably pretty hungry. It's pretty big. It was hibernating. That's true. It was kind of bear
like. It was very similar to a shot in The Hobbit where Bilbo's standing by Smog's eye and then he opens his eye and you realize like, oh, shoot, like that's a face. They did that in Solo with the big squid thing too. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, did they? Yeah. Inside of the Kessel Run. Yeah. Right. So, yeah, it was cool to see that. But man, like, again, I'm kind of persistent on my feeling with this show. Like, each week I just...
It's like I want each episode to continue because I feel like it needs a proper conclusion. But I feel like none of these episodes have a proper conclusion. Do you know what I mean? Like when we had Rebels for a while, we had sort of like one shots each week and then it got to the point where we had story arcs. So then we had like two or three episodes at a time that would have like a story. But I feel like...
Yeah. But now I feel like The Bad Batch is kind of an ongoing week to week mini chapter in like a larger story, which I don't really know how I feel about that. I mean, it hasn't more or less always been like that just with filler episodes. Well, I mean, there can be like a continuing thing, but it doesn't really feel like there's any big breaks between the events of this show. Like it feels like each episode directly kind of feeds into the next one and then it just keeps rolling.
Right. But is that just the season? Because we're leading into a finale. Well, I think it's been like that for a while. Like this entire season has kind of been that way. But even last season it was a bit like that too. I don't know. What's your take on that, Darren? They've been showing us a lot of stuff that they need to, but it seems like they're spending a lot of time drawing it out, which for some of the storyline,
you definitely need to. You can't just gloss over things because fans will be upset that you didn't. But then fans are upset that why does this need to be a whole episode showing us how they got to Tantus, right? So I don't know what the balance is there. Maybe having a beef storyline going somewhere else to maybe liven it up a bit. But I think
they're doing it pretty well. And this next episode is potentially going to be an incredible amount of information trying to wrap up several storylines, which they could easily do. But it depends on how much they want to save for the spin-off series they've alluded that's going to happen. I'm very curious about that spin-off series. What will happen with that and how it connects to the Bad Batch, if at all, right?
Has that been confirmed by LucasFilm or is it just- I mean, it's kind of obvious it's happening. It's not been confirmed, but it's obvious. This is the second last episode. The whole Bad Batch is still around. Omega is still captured. There's no way that they're just like- they got one more episode up their sleeve and was like, oh, that's it, folks. We're never going to see these characters again. And plus they just brought Ventress back. She showed up in one
episode and left. And I was like, dude, of course it's going to be a spin-off series. Of course. It's going to happen. The question is, what's it going to be like? Yeah, I guess it could. Well, I mean, Tales of the Empire, though, it's looking a little slim, a bit like Tales of the Jedi. It looks like it's just going to be those six episodes and then that's it. And then they'll move on to something else. But I wonder if Ventress has a bigger story in a bigger,
longer show. You know, maybe she'll be like a primary character in a spin-off series itself, which might involve her and Omega. And maybe Quinlan Vos, who knows? I mean, in Kenobi- That would be pretty interesting. In Kenobi, they alluded to the fact that he was in fact alive still. Didn't they both die in that novel? No, no, he was still alive. Okay. I was going to just be really annoyed. No, he was still alive, but Ventress should have, should have, yeah, they should have left her dead.
She had a good death. See, I- Even when you read that passage from the end of that book, it didn't tell me that Ventress was actually dead. It only told me that he thought Ventress was actually dead. Well, I mean, sure, Corpse had been brought back from one system to an entire other system and then placed in the waters and, you know, had a few- Yeah, but they're the Queens of Resurrection. That's true. Right, but well, there's none of them left, though. Like, it was just
the waters themselves. It wasn't- there's no Nightsisters there. Well, there's Morgan. It was just Obi-Wan and- And what are they called, the waters? What are they called, the waters? Oh, they're called the, I think, what are they called? The Living Waters or something? Living Waters is Mandalore. Oh, right. I don't know. Waters of Life. Waters of Life, I believe, is what the Ventress their Nightsisters called them. I could be wrong on that. Let me look
that up. Yeah, the thing is, like, man, if it was so simple to bring people back from the dead like that, like, it just- I mean, Rey did it. It would happen way more frequently, I guess, is what I'm trying to say. Like, even when the Nightsisters bring back other Nightsisters from the dead, they're like zombies. So, like, I feel like there was still some sort of respect for leaving somebody dead, you know? But even though they're, like, reanimated, like, it's not really quite like
bringing them back. But yeah, I mean, like, I don't know. I don't- I really want to know what their excuses for bringing back the character, because I'm, like, I'm growing so less fond of bringing all these characters back. Like, I feel like, you know, there's something- there's something nice about a story that ends, you know what I mean? So you don't want to- Like, I don't- like, as much as I love the character, I don't want her character to be around forever. Like, I want her to have a good
end, right? I think they- I think a lot of these shows struggle with popular characters dying. Yeah, they do. They want to tell a good story, but then- Well, it's like Cad Bane, dude. It's like Cad Bane. Like, look what they did to Cad Bane. They brought Cad Bane back in the canon. Look what they did to my boy. In the canon, he was supposed to be dead, like, in those deleted scenes from the unreleased
Columbus episode. Like, you could argue, okay, well now it's never happened because it was technically never released. But they showed that footage, so fans have always been aware of, and storytellers at Lucasfilm have been aware of the fact that Cad Bane was the one that put the dent in that Boba Fett helmet. Yeah, that was a cool story. And Boba was the one that shot Cad Bane in the face, which made him the greatest bounty hunter in the galaxy, right?
It was a good storyline, yeah. It was a good storyline, because that's how, like, Boba kind of, like, becomes Boba and, like, takes that spot as, like, the number one guy, right? Is that supposed to be the final season? That was the final, that was supposed to be in the final season. Yeah. And then that final season never happened. Yeah. So the scene never happened, right? But the footage was kind of released just on, on, you can find on YouTube. And then Book of Boba
comes out. They brought Cad Bane back for, like, what, three episodes? And then they kill them. And it's like, if you ask anyone out there, you, by Boba Fett, again, and you ask anyone out there, do you like the Book of Boba Fett? You'll probably get a no. And here's the other thing. Do you like the way Cad Bane died versus how he would have died in the Clone Wars? Well, it's the same thing, but. But which, is it better, though? The timeline is better. Is it, is it better?
Yeah, but say, I, I prefer the Clone Wars death. I prefer how it happened. I prefer the, the whole, like, western, like, shoot out in the street. Yeah. Over the, let's stab him in the chest after, like, a brawl, right? I just prefer the Clone Wars overall for how they handle that character's death. That's interesting. And I do feel a big story point that got missed because they changed it was the coming of age of Boba Fett becoming the. That's another thing. It's
big character moments, right? And it's not just about the character dying. It's about the other characters around that character. Like, what does it do to Quinlan Vos as a character now that Ventress is back? And also, if Cad Bane was around the entire time of the original trilogy, was Boba Fett really the bad, most badass bounty hunter? That's the thing. Like, where's he, where Cad Bane been that whole time, right? Like, why wasn't he shooting, like, looking out over the Falcon
and stuff like that, right? So it it was such a good ending for the character. And then they just kind of botched it. And I was like, man, plus you look at Cad Bane live action. I've only got criticism for it. Like, there's nothing good about the live action face. You know, it doesn't look like a no, it doesn't look like a Doris at all. So it's like, man, I've got nothing good to say about it. So whenever they bring a character back from the debt.
Plus, I mean, I don't only give it start on Palpatine, but I mean, like whenever they bring a character back that's supposed to be done, like, OK, this better be like friggin amazing for you to bring this character back to make it better than the first time around. Like Darth Maul, I feel like that was like a success, more or less. Yeah. The character got significantly more development. Yeah, exactly. Right. And it's like, man, I feel like Ventress has just had her time.
Like, she's just had so much time in the Clone Wars. She was a great, all rounded out character. She and her finale was finally coming to terms with, like, loving somebody for the first time in her life. And then knowing what it is to sacrifice oneself for that. And then leaving it there, you know, and it sort of painted this really nice parallel with the whole Vader Luke relationship. And but differently. And I feel like it was such a good ending. And now they brought her back.
It's like all that's kind of moot at this point. So I'm just kind of torn up about it because I know that so many people love the character back. You can argue this with every character that's come back. You say the same thing about Luke, right? He came back in the sequels, like undated a lot of his character development. Well, yeah, but he never died in the original trilogy. Now, I don't mind returning characters that have disappeared for a while. Like, no, I'm telling you,
specifically resurrection. Specifically resurrection. That's only a handful. It's Maul, Ventress, Oba, Palpatine, Cad Bane. They kind of did it to Savage as well. Like, Savage wasn't dead, but they rebirthed him in the same manner as they did with Maul. Rebirth who? Savage Opress. Savage Opress. Like, they drastically changed who he was. Savage never died. Well, he stayed dead. When he died, he stayed dead. When did he come back, Darian? No, I know.
So when they do the whole trials thing, they bring him back to the Nightsisters temple and they baptize him in the water the same way that they did with Maul. So I'd add him to that list even though he wasn't dead. They drastically changed who he was because he's all of a sudden a foot taller, more muscular, can all of a sudden take laser blasts. From that Nightsister magic. Yeah. Right. Yeah, I guess
I'm just saying. I see what you're saying because technically he, like, was resurrected or like Well, like, he was alive when they did the magic process and then they beastified him, right? Beastification. Yeah, the beastification magic. But he never died, right? He never, like, He was just enchanted. He was just enchanted, right? Yeah. And then when he died, he lost all the magic and died, died, right?
So, but yeah, I don't know. I mean, like, I guess it's like the Ventress thing comes back to, like, the whole Mace Windu. You know, like, is she alive or is he alive? Actually, Darian, before we give our probable points of pooties on this, do you think Mace Windu is alive or do you think he's dead? I kind of hope he's dead. I originally wanted him to come back, but there are way too many Jedi alive post Order 66.
He falls, like, eight or nine stories because around the Senate building, there's that platform with all the statues and everything on it, right? There's no way, no matter how powerful he is, he's waking up before he hits the ground. Right, right. Exactly. Exactly. That's my whole thought, too. I think, like, he's dead dead. Like, that guy is squashed to smithereens. We did do the math. Yeah. I love Samuel L. Jackson. I want him more in Star Wars. Don't get me wrong, but I don't want him to
come back at this point. No. There's already been way too many Jedi survive. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. It would just be a joke at that point. Like, I don't know. And here's the thing. If they made, like, a young Sam Jackson, like, you know, if they de-aged him and brought him back as, like, a prequel. They'd probably have to recast at that point. I don't know. They did it with Hayden, right? Like, you know, they can do it
with him. Like, they did it with him in Captain Marvel and that turned out really well. So, like, if they do that with him in, like, a Clone Wars era thing, like, sign me up, right? Like, if he's in a story that's before he died, sign me up. If Ventress is in a story before she died, sign me up, right? Same with Palpatine. Doesn't matter who it is. I want to see the story from the old Clone Wars game where Mace Windu is driving tanks. It's not that I don't want to see these characters
not keep going. It's just I don't want to see them keep going after they're supposed to be gone, right? Yeah. I know what you're saying. Yeah. To bring him back. Right. Yeah. Like, I want to see more of Mace Windu, but give me a comic book but when he's, like, still alive type thing. Don't give me the story of his resurrection. If they keep bringing Pugue back, then they can do more merch. No! Hit the button. Oh, I don't have that one. Have you read any of Mark Bernarden's Mace Windu series?
I haven't, but I keep meaning to do it. I'm so behind on the comic books, and I would love to get into that one, the Mace Windu miniseries, but yeah, I have not. Have you read it? Yeah, have you read it? I haven't. I haven't collected comic books in a few years now, but I, that's why I really want to read, because I'm a huge fan of Mark Bernarden, as you probably figured by me knowing his name. Has he done any other Star Wars miniseries or ongoing
series? I don't think so. He has worked on Star Trek, and he does that show Fat Man Beyond with Kevin Smith all the time. Oh, yeah. If it's something in nerd culture, he's probably worked on it at some point. Fair enough. Sounds cool, then. He worked on the Dungeons and Dragons series critical role. He worked on that. I'm sure if I pulled up his IMDB, you guys would be amused. I'm going to wrap our Bad Batch thing, so let's give some Pablo points to Poodoos. Three Pablo Poodoos
is the worst of the worst. Moving on from there, you got two Pablo Poodoos, and then one Pablo Poodoos, and a Bendu. A Bendu is a 50% score, and then we have Pablo points. One Pablo point is good, two Pablo points is great, and three Pablo points is the best of the best of the best. So, Darian, what is your score for this episode of the Bad Batch? I'm going to give it a Bendu. There are a lot happens in setup
wise. I loved the crash entrance at the beginning, but other than that it was definitely a fill in the blanks episode. Yeah, for sure. I'm going to give it a Bendu as well. I feel like that's probably the best way to put it. It was cool finally seeing Echo back doing stuff and the Zillabeast, but that's pretty much all I got for it. Omega sneaking around, fine. I don't know. Well, I'll say this episode, Echo was very handy. He was very handy. I'll throw it
a bone. I'll give it a half a Pablo point. It did feel a little bit stretched, just kind of setting up the next episode. I feel like there probably could have been more. Definitely. First time I watched it, it definitely felt like pretty slowly paced, which is a little bit bizarre considering it's the season finale or pre-finale. Yeah, I would say so. I thought there'd be one more. I guess I was basically also impartial in the fact that it was such slow pacing. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
It didn't really leave you with a big cliffhanger. I mean, technically it's like, oh, what are they going to do to escape? But I guess the only cliffhanger was that guy got caught, right? That's basically it. It didn't feel like that high stakes. Yeah, Rampart. Yeah, he got caught by the Imperials and that was pretty much it, though. I mean, who cares about him? Also, okay, I got one more thing to bring up because this actually annoyed me.
So when Omega was crawling around in the vents, the blood transport things, whatever those elevators were, and the kids were stalling, right? And then it was like in the last second she showed up and was able to make it look like she didn't escape. Wasn't there a big hole in the wall right next to her? She wouldn't have enough time to put those tiles back and not make any noise. I know, right? I don't know. Oh, who knows? Who knows? Right. I mean, just
hopefully don't look to the right. I feel like that's the least like if I'm going to be picky about like things like that. That's a pretty big one, though. I feel like all I had to do was add one extra scene where while they're stalling, she's like quickly like putting a tile back or something. It would have been so easy. It would have been nice, actually, to see her like just lean on the last one. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. It's kind of brush it over. You know, it's so easy
to do. I don't know why I just overlooked it. It would have added tension for sure. Yeah. Anyways. Well, that's that. We only got one more episode left in the series. The Calvary has arrived, I believe it is. And yeah, and then it's over. Then it's done. And then I mean, next week we've got May the 4th coming up. So we have some fun, fun stuff planned for May 4th. Maybe we'll do another trivia game. Also, May 4th for anyone in North America.
There was a re-release for for the Phantom Menace for the 25th anniversary. So that's going to be really cool. So if anyone has tickets for that, you know, maybe see you there. But otherwise, you know, have fun. Yeah. Have fun watching Star Wars at home. Well, there's probably going to be some sweet sales or something, right? Oh, dude. Yeah. Yeah. So May 4th sales, video games, all the all the all the sorts. Oh yeah. Add anything you want. Star Wars to your wishlist now
so you don't forget. Absolutely. And we'll talk about this more after we do some fan questions. But we'll exit you out, Darian. Thanks so much for joining us for Bad Batch After Show. And I guess we'll we'll catch you at a later time. Thank you very much for having me. And everyone have a good May the 4th and Revenge of the 5th and 6th. Always two there are, no more, no less. Nice. Nice. Good chatting with you, man. Good chatting with you. Have a great night. Take it easy.
That's quickly before we get too far into it. Welcome, Kyle, from Alki Solutions. Yeah. Don't mention that. Yeah. To anyone new this week who I guess a lot of people who are new this week might actually be from from Newfoundland. So, you know, nice to to have. That's very true. As those people, isn't it? Yeah. So say again. Oh, I was just going to say, yeah, they're going to love hearing hearing themselves on the podcast here. And I told so many
of them to tune in. So I'm really looking forward to to seeing, you know, like the Facebook or the Instagram kind of blow up afterwards. Be like I hurt myself. Yeah. Awesome. Yeah. Yeah. It'll be good. I'll play the ones that you sent us through through Discord. And I know there's more coming because we couldn't get a few of them out. But we'll save when we do get those from you. We'll do those ones on May 4th
for Star Wars Day. So anyone who did do a question with you and doesn't hear yourself today, you can catch that one on May 4th. So yeah, we'll start off with the first one here and take take a listen. All right. Hi, I'm here with Connor. Hi there, Connor. So, Connor, my question for you is if you only had one question for George Lucas, what would it be? I want to ask him if he'd come back and do the Darth Maul Darth Kalan sequel series. See that I agree. That is a dang
good one. OK. All right, everybody. Yeah. So yeah, that's a good one. Yeah, the Darth Darth Maul Darth Talon. So and George famously loves Darth Talon. I would love to see that movie. I think I even talked to the guy for like five, six minutes afterwards. And I was like, look, that would be epic. That's awesome. It's good that these questions provide you guys just some some some discussion material. Yeah, good jumping point. Yeah.
Yeah. If you ever want to meet a Star Wars fan, you know, just ask them any one of these 20 questions and, you know, you got yourself a great answer. Now, now the best part about these questions is that they are opinionated questions. You know, like a lot of people were worried. They're like, oh, no, I don't want to answer a question. I'm like, look, man, I'm not going to go like, OK, what happened back on Hoth back in 42 YYB? You know, like I'm not going to do that. I'm going to
just. Yeah. So as soon as I said that, they were a lot of them were like, oh, OK, I'm on board. So it's definitely a great way to break the ice. Yeah, for sure. So in relation to the answer to this question, I really love that idea. And it was actually something that we talked about not even that long ago. This was on an episode that we did on the podcast from November 13th, 2023. Just a couple of months ago, it was called George Lucas's original sequel plans, The Star Wars Archives
Part One. And we have yet to follow up with a Star Wars Archives Part Two on on that episode. But the first part we actually kicked off, we used the Star Wars Archives book with Paul Duncan as the author of that. And it's in this massive like XL sized horizontal Star Wars book, which is published by Tastian, a really nice book. And yeah, it's an interview
with George Lucas. And he actually talks very, very mildly about what he would have done with his versions of the sequels and, you know, what kind of ideas were floating around in his head. And it was a very interesting episode. And this was around the same time that we did the Colin Trevorrow episode nine script, Duel of Fates, and the Alan Dean Foster episode nine pitch, the read through the famous Alan Dean Foster. Yeah, the read through of that script. That was super
fun. We actually had a comment on that just like just admiring the the radio kind of the radio show aspect. We're all doing voices and accents. Yeah, it was fun. It was a good time. Yeah. It was a kooky story. We'll have to do a remaster at some point. Yeah, we really should. So yeah, I love that. I love that answer. I would 100 percent. You know, I would put a slight spin on it if I were to answer that question, which would be basically like I just want George's episode seven, eight, nine.
Like, I mean, even if there even if he changes the idea, even if you change the idea and like maybe Maul and Talon aren't in it anymore, but he has his own plans for what he would have done like because, you know, George kind of changes his mind every now and again. I would still love to see his versions of those movies, you know, even if it didn't involve Maul and Talon, I would just want him back doing his stories, right? 100 percent. I'm with you on that.
I would love to see, you know, the sequels, but with his idea, with his everything. Because I can tell you right now, look, when I was in the theater and Hawn and Chewie came walking out the door for the first time, you know, in what? 20, 30 years, right? The crowd went stupid. They had such a chance to and such a chance in the first movie to get all four of them back in that cockpit together.
And if they had, you know, Luke and Leia and Chewie and Hawn all in that thing, people would have bawled in the, you know, they would have cried in the movie theater. What did we get? We got a giant rolling ball of snot with some arm and tentacles eating people instead. The Rath Tars? Rath Tars, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The big balls of snot is what my kids call them. I'm like, yeah. And the booger balls. What about you, Blake? What would your answer be? Oh, man.
One question for George Lucas. One question for George Lucas. Yeah, I just, I guess I just ask if he has any interest in partaking in the Star Wars going forward in any sort of role, even if. Yeah. What his stories would have been. Yeah, just write some pitches or something, you know. I think that's the burning question so many of us had is like, what would you do, right? Just some level of involvement. Yeah, it was funny. I was actually contemplating what I
would ask him. This is like legit, like contemplating what I would ask him if I was in just like a simple conversation with George and I actually thought I should probably avoid Star Wars altogether. So I was going to ask him how his museum is going. Because I haven't heard anything about that. I think it's in California is where they settled on. I was supposed to be in Chicago for a long time. Yeah, I don't know where what I would. I'd really throw him out there. I'd
really throw him out there. So what did you think of the Goonies? You'd be like, what? In real life, though, like, I'd probably stand in front of him, like be like. Let's be real. That would be all of us. Let's be real, OK? It would take you 20 minutes to compose yourself just to say hi. Just shocking off. Alright, let's take a look. Oh, sorry. Question two. Let's move to question two. Let's take a listen to this.
Next weekend. Yeah, because it's just as a Bridger, like at least in these movies, he seems a lot more like he can adapt really well. Well, look at the force is his ally. All he needs is the force. He's friends with the Lothcats and I'm a big animal person and it's really nice. Alright, well, Evan, I can't wait to show you this video. Alright, thanks Haley for that question, that answer. That was awesome.
He is such a great character and, you know, we're really lucky to have a guy like Evan playing Iman playing Ezra Bridger. Oh, absolutely. The casting choice is insane. They did such a good job casting. I'm going to say, I actually did. I promised her that I would send that video for him to see and he actually has saw it. Nice. And he said he loved it and I get this. He is such an amazing person.
I can understand why she would want someone like Ezra Bridger, but the person that they picked to do that character, he really does smack it out of the water and he's one of the nicest characters or actors that I've met. Put it this way, he's actually going to sign an Ezra 3 lightsaber for us this weekend and on Sunday, he's going to come to our table and he's going to do the draw for it. So he'll be the one actually picking. Yeah. And while he's there, I'm going to make sure to ask
him. I don't want to say anything because I don't want to be holding the bag, but I'm going to be asking him the two questions that you had given to me to ask him. Nice. And I will do those two questions for next week's thing. Awesome. Awesome. What's the entry for the raffle, by the way, at the next convention? The convention's already started. We just did our first day. The draw will be on Sunday at the end of the day and at the end of the convention day. So we're in Calgary
Expo. That's Fan Expo, right? Yeah. Gotcha. Okay. Yeah. It's a Calgary Fan Expo. Is it anyone who buys a lightsaber gets entered? Is it anyone who buys a lightsaber gets entered? No, no, no. No, no, no. So how this one works is it's the money that we raise is actually going to go towards now. I figure we're going to flip a coin. Alex wants it to go towards the animal shelter and I would like for it to go towards the Canadian Cancer Society. So both good places for it
to go. But that's where the money. Oh, just a second. Alex wants to say something. What did you say? Oh, she wants to split it. 50-50. All right. We can split it too. If the coin lands exactly on its edge, you have to split it. There we go. Okay. So if the coin lands on its edge, we're splitting it. All I got was a smile. Awesome. Sweet, sweet. What's the ticket cost? Oh, sorry. So the tickets are and we do this. We do a type of
draw at all of them. Okay. It's five dollars for one ticket, three for ten, seven for twenty, or how many for fifty? Twenty for fifty. Nice. There you go. Sweet. All right. So I'm here with Brian and it's going to be the first question that I'm asking for the Star Wars Escape podcast. So Brian, what is your favorite starship from Star Wars and why? It could be a Starfighter, it could be anything. What's your favorite one? I know, so many to choose from. Got to be X-Wing. The X-Wing? Yeah.
That's a good round of choice. First gen, not that ninety-five or whatever, the Poe Dameron garbage. There you go. First gen. No Poe Dameron garbage. There we go. Awesome. Well, thank you very much. Cheers. All right. What's your favorite ship, Blake? My favorite ship? Oh, and who's your master of choice? Because I totally forgot to ask you that. Oh, that's right. It was Jedi Master Sith Master. Yeah, Jedi Master. Jedi Master. Or Sith Master, I guess. It's Windu.
To be honest, he's the coolest one. I don't think he takes apprentices. Ship? And my favorite ship, I feel like it's wrong if I don't say the Falcon, but I feel like it's too obvious. The Maldi crow. That's very unique. That's got to be Kyle's. Yeah, that's got to be Kyle's favorite. Kyle, your favorite is the Maldi crow, right? Yeah, Kyle, your favorite has to be the Maldi crow. No, no, no. In all honesty, I got to be, it's the Luke's guys, the Luke X-Wing. I love that old style
X-Wing. I grew up on that. I played that with my hand flying around since I was a kid. You mean Rey's X-Wing from episode 9? I felt like I was asleep for that. I'm sorry. I had to do that. I wish to fill in for audiences, the Maldi crow is Kyle Katarn's ship from the EU. Yeah. Yeah, see, no, no, no. It may be my name. It may be one of my favorite Jedi's because of the name, but no, no, no, no, no. I had the X-Wing all the way. And who's your master?
I wear an X-Wing necklace. I have one on right now. Oh, my master. My master. Look, man, I always, no, no, no, I always say like, I would see, it would either be Obi or Luke Skywalker. But if it was, but Obi, I would want to be more of along the friends, like to be more of an equal, not a master and apprentice. But Luke, even though he's younger, I would like to learn from him because he's literally the only one that walked out of that room alive after the Emperor
and Vader. You know, you know, so like that right there, you learned from that guy. That, you know, yeah. Man, you actually know who would be a really interesting Jedi master? Dooku while he was in the Order. Yeah, like Qui-Gon got that treatment. Yeah, imagine the lessons. Wait, wait, what was, what was that? Oh, I forget the Jedi's name in the Clone Wars. The one that he ended up being a bad, like he ended up going dark side. Pong Crow. But it was during
that one battle. Yeah, that guy, that guy must have been a hard ass if you were going to learn under Yoda. Oh, man. Yeah, I would probably choose Yoda. Yeah, it's like I would choose Yoda as my master and then and then my favorite ship would probably be, it's tough because there's so many good ones. It's got to be that one from the Clone Wars, right? It's a tie between the Jedi Phase 2 Interceptor, like the Ida class. That one's cool, yeah. Or the Sith Interceptor that's Maul, Maul drives
that around in Phantom Menace. Oh, man. Yeah. Just a second. And they're re-releasing that in Lego, by the way. I also, oh, about time. Yeah. I also, I don't know if it's technically canon, but the the, I guess it's not even Sith, but the Sith Empire ship that you get in the original game of Kotor, the MMO. Oh, okay. That one's super cool. I bought the Lego version of that because it was just super cool. It's basically halfway between a TIE fighter and Darth Maul's Sith Interceptor.
Actually, you know what another cool ship is? Sorry. Star Killers. I said, that one's also really sick, yeah. But no, I was going to say other than the Ida class too, I guess it's sort of, I don't know if this showed up in the 3D animated shows, but in the 2D micro series, Anakin had like a modified, his modified Star Fighter. It was kind of like these massive jet engines on the front of a Delta class Jedi Starfighter thing. It was awesome.
Lego actually made a set for that as well. I know, and I regrettably didn't buy it like twice. I think they released it twice. It was once or twice. I don't know. Next time it comes out, I'm buying it. We'll never do it again. Dreams crushed. You're going to have to look up Brick Link. Oh, man. Okay, here we go. Here's another one. Here's another one. All right, everybody. I'm here with Tony. This is Tony here from the Newfoundland Sci-Fi on the Rock convention. Nice to meet you, folks.
Hey, everybody. And now I'm going to ask him a question that, okay, Josh, we all had a big thing about it on the last conversation, on the last podcast. So I'm going to ask Tony here. Did Mace Windu die or did he survive? I can see where this is going to get a lot of debate. My personal opinion, he survived. Thank you. He's a very Tony. He is the master of masters. I can't see him falling that far and not survive. And only to be blasted, what, for a few seconds
by some zap. You know what I mean? Come on. But now what Samuel L. Jackson is wanting to do is bring him back so far in the future. I don't think he survived that far. Yeah, no, that's fair. Okay. Okay. So much to discuss on this one. Much to discuss. But there you go. Thank you. Well, what if he was zapped so hard he went into a coma? And then... No, he yelled out the window. No, but he went out. He landed so hard he went into a coma, but he survived because he's so
strong. When he got pushed, he woke up in the future because it was a hibernate. He was a hibernated state. Yeah. When he got pushed out the window, he had that little no. And then he doesn't say anything after that, right? But he was conscious. Well, who knows? Yeah, I guess when he gets pushed, he sort of was. Yeah, he was conscious. But it's almost like the air kind of like left his lungs. You're backpedaling now. Yeah, you watch the scene again. He's like, no. We should clip that.
That's all. All right. Well, Tony, you share you share a boat with many, many people, my friend. So thank you for your answer. Josh, we'll win you over at some point. I'll win you over at some point. I'd say I told you, Tony, if you're listening, I told you Josh is going to have something to say about that. Respect, respect. Well, we've talked about this one extensively, so I'm going to we're going to avoid the long chat on this one. But thank you for answering that question.
It's I always love hearing that that answer. All right. Here we go. Here's another one. All right. So I'm here with Simba. Simba. And the question I'm going to ask Simba for the podcast today is what is your favorite lightsaber? What is your favorite lightsaber color and why? So you could have a lightsaber that's like you could be like, oh, I really like Kylo Ren, but I like blue. So it's what color lightsaber and what lightsaber? Honestly, I really like Ahsoka's lightsabers.
Okay. Now you're talking Fulcrum from the new show or are you talking Fulcrum. Okay. Because like it's a whole new take on what a lightsaber could look like. I know it looks like Shinto, right? We're depending on it. Yeah. And just like Joko, Count Joko as well. Yeah. Okay. I thought that was amazing. And I have to say that orange is my favorite color. All right. There we go. So we got an orange with an Ahsoka or a Dooku. He likes the curved tilts. The curved tilts. That's right.
Charlemagne. Charlemagne. All right. Well, there you go. Thank you. All right. Yeah. Thanks for that, Simba. Yeah. Sweet. So yeah, that's a mishmash of things. Like the curved tilts with the... Yeah. It's kind of a coming together of the duel, right? Between Ahsoka and what's that guy's name in the Ahsoka show? Oh, Balin. Balin. Yeah. Because he had the orange saber. Oh, I'm going to have Balin soon. Yeah. He had the orange. Yeah. Balin. Oh, sorry.
Sorry. I mean, I'm going to have the like the cosplay of Balin, but yeah, he did have the orange saber. You could pull off a good Balin. You got the beard. You could do the beard and everything for it, you know? Be a good costume. Oh, heck yeah. You just got to start growing it out. I'm just waiting on the armor. Grow it out and then, you know, another 10 years go by, it'll just naturally turn gray and, you know, you get to go. Bam. See? And Alex will be my apprentice and I shall be
the master. Oh, man. Every time I say that, the look I get from her is so bad. Just like she would do a look so fast. Oh, man. Oh, she does. Like, I'm the master. She's the apprentice, not on your life side. I got to say my blade, my blade of choice would probably be blue. Like, I'm a very simple person. I picture like. Arctic blue. Yeah, like, yeah, like an Arctic blue kind of thing. Yeah. Arctic blue or neonish green. Like, like, like Ahsoka's little Shoto saber, like the little one
that she's got. It's almost more of a yellow. It's like a yellowy neon green. Yeah, yeah. That's pretty cool. Green color, which, like I've still to this day not seen anyone else in the canon wield that color lightsaber. So I thought that's always been a really cool one. But, but yeah. The hilt wise, though, I mean, yeah, I have no idea. But yeah, that's definitely the color. I'm surprised you didn't go with Anakin. You love Anakin's, like, second saber
or his first saber. His first saber is awesome. He's like, his padawan lightsaber. I don't know what kind of hilt, but like blade color though. Like, what color would my lightsaber be? Definitely blue or neon green. What about you, Kel? Yeah, I'd go blue, but I'd be again like the Arctic blue. I like that light blue, almost again, any blue. Yeah. But I got my favorite saber by Joe Jumpin, man. There's a lot of them. Yeah, episode two Anakin, probably my favorite, favorite if I were to pick one.
I really like, I like Obi-Wan's, but I think like my favorite looking one, I'm starting to go towards Plo Koon. That's a pretty nice one. Yeah. Like, yeah, because I have it here and every time I look at it, I always go, hmm. It's like simple, simple, but elegant. I think, yeah, yeah. And I like the bottom half where you kind of get, it kind of looks like raised, except for it's a little smaller. It's not as bulbous. And, and it looks more sharper. It looks, it looks cleaner.
You know, Jedi Master style. It's a bit similar to Kid Fistos, is it? Is it not? It's kind of what I remember. Yeah, I think it is. I think it's the same top. We have, we have Fistos. Yeah, it has the same top, but the bottom is different because, because the bottom of Clune's. Yeah, yeah. Fistos is more like a mace bottom. Clune would be more like a Rey bottom. Oh, okay. Like almost like a staff. Yeah. Those little bulbous triangle-y things. Yeah. Right. I'm just looking on pictures
of these things right now. That's, oh, yeah, yeah. I see what you mean. Yeah. So like Plo Koon is like the Darth Maul kind of emitter on the bottom half. And then. Yeah. Yeah. Kid Fistos. Yeah. Okay. I'm picturing the right one. Kid Fistos looks like a ballpoint pen. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Cool. There you go. See? Gotcha. Um, sweet. Uh, yeah. What about, what, did you mention
Blake, your lightsaber color? Well, I hate to say it, but I'm also a big fan of the Arctic Blue, but to change it up, maybe I'll go with like a teal. Alright, I'll take it. I'll take it. Hi there. I'm your host. Alex. Alex, what's your, oh. Yeah, go ahead. Alex, what's your favorite lightsaber and lightsaber color? Oh, I don't know. I like, I still like the Boon Castus. I still like the Boon Castus. Okay, so her favorite is still the Boon Castus. Now what's her favorite color? White?
Yeah. And she goes, she's white. Oh, okay. Alright. Yeah. I think Simba mentioned white as well. Yeah. No, it was orange. Yeah. White, orange. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, he's referencing the Hilt, was he? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. That's right. Gotcha. And for the Hilt, I'd probably go with the Star Killer from the first game. Nice. With the exposed kyber crystal. So with the open kyber crystal. Yeah. Man, I love that style.
You pointed out another one, which I think also has it, which is the saber that drops in one of the trailers for the KOTOR online game. Yeah, that one's super sweet. That one's probably my favorite non-canon, also fictional, very hardly, barely seen on screen. There's a lot of asterisks on this. Yeah, yeah. Like, it's so niche that, like, almost no one has this lightsaber, but it's one of my favorites. Please, please, please send me a photo of it. Oh, I have. I'll
send it again. I think I've sent it twice already. I need you guys to make this. Okay. I'm counting on you. Watch me see it again. Yeah, it's the one from the Old Republic Deceived trailer. There's a Jedi that just gets completely He gets stabbed by Melgus, I think. Yeah, stabbed by Melgus. Yeah, just gutted. Yeah, he drops his lightsaber Hilt, and it's, like, smoking as it hits the ground, and it's such a cool Hilt. I love it. Yeah, okay. I remember the trailer thing.
Yeah, yeah, exactly. Okay, here, let's move on to another question. Hi there. I'm here with Chris. Chris, and we're at the, again, at the Sci-Fi on the Rock in Newfoundland. And so, Chris, my question for you is what, if you could be a character from any era of Star Wars, which era would you be from? Old Republic, New Republic, Fall of the Jedi, what would be one that you'd probably like to be a part of? Possibly the original trilogy or definitely the prequel trilogy during that time.
There you go, okay. So, an original trilogy era or a prequel trilogy era? Or anything with the expanded universe. Yeah, there you go. Okay, alright, well, let's discuss this. I love that answer. Anything with the expanded universe. Any era at all. Really, he should just say, anything before Disney. That kind of seemed like what he was getting at. I almost love that as like an answer. It's just like, which era? Like Dawn of the Jedi, New Republic, High Republic, whatever.
Anything like that. Is pre-Disney an era? Yeah, you know what? Sure, let's go for it. We gotta make a whole new timeline for that, right? We gotta do that. It'd be like the BDY before Disney, before Disney years and then after Disney years. I mean, it kind of is measured like that as it is, is it not? Cause like at least it's considered like EU. Well, I guess we do it based on like George. I thought that started with, yeah, that's what I thought it was. Wasn't it based off of
when the Death Star exploded? Yeah, so like the year, the year as a fan, we reference like BBY and ABY, which is before Battle of Yavin, after Battle of Yavin. There is an in Star Wars universe to like, calendar, which they describe the years except like most fans don't know what it is because it's really like scarcely ever used in like some of the books and everything and like none of the movies have it.
So it was like as fans, like when we reference ABY, BBY, it's because A New Hope was the first movie and the first thing that launched Star Wars. So like the battle of the first Death Star is kind of the epicenter, if you will, sort of like zero year. Anything prior to that event is so many years prior and you know, things after so many years after. So that's sort of the... Did they ever try to change that? I thought there was a canon version. That's what I was just talking about.
There's like an in canon, like in universe version of that, but like in universe they don't use BBY and ABY. No, because that wouldn't make sense. No, it wouldn't make sense, because like people living in the time of the Clone Wars, they don't know what the like the Death Star thing hasn't happened yet. So like... So if I'm not mistaken, we're currently living in the third age. Yeah. Okay. That was a joke. Whatever that means to Star Wars fans. That's like a Middle Earth reference.
That's Lord of the Rings. Yeah. Yeah, you know, I've always... Because I grew up with the prequels, I feel like my era of choice, if I were to plot myself into Star Wars anywhere, it would probably be Fall of the Jedi, but I feel like that's just such an interesting period of time. I mean, like this is the Clone Wars, this is the prequel Jedi. It's like when the Jedi fell, it's like the last days of the Old Republic, basically,
if you will. Not the Old Republic, but like the Republic that the Old Republic that Obi-Wan is referencing to Luke, you know, in Episode 4. There's just so much cool stuff that happens. There's so many like... It's a very interesting time. The Sith are back. You know, there's so many Jedi. There's like all these... Are they? They haven't revealed themselves. Right. Yeah, there's just like I don't know. There's just so many... That's the
thing. It's like it's such a colorful era with so many different stories in there, and I just love it a lot. I feel like a lot of my childhood was reading books that took place in that time period, so I'm going to pick that. I think I'm going to say the same thing, but go slightly earlier, because then you're probably saying more generic. So like pre Attack of the Clones, then? I'd say pre
Phantom Menace. Oh, okay. And I guess this is under the context of like, I guess, if in this case, be like probably more of a Jedi, because I don't know if it would matter as much if you were just a bystander, but just to be a part of the order and be a full night, and with a decent amount of time before the Battle Geonosis, and then see that transition, I think that would be very interesting. Yeah. What about you, Kal? For me, okay, I honestly...
No, I've thought about this a lot, because I've thought about the Old Republic, just because I like a lot of the lore from that time, but I would have to say it again, with wanting to have Luke as my master, I think that I would definitely go with like the New Order instead.
Oh, the New Republic. Yeah, yeah, because I know that it's weird to say, because it's in all this Disney world and everything through the hand, but having Luke beside me, helping guide me through it, dude, that to me would be it's uncharted territories for both the Jedi and the Sith, the Light and the Dark, everything's got to get figured out again. Yeah, well, there's some cool There's some cool events in the New Republic, like it's still the Empire, it's just like the Imperial Remnants,
right? Yeah, it's all shattered. It would be a very interesting time to live then as well. Yeah, for sure, and especially if you had Luke as your master. I will say, that's one thing that I wish they had, and maybe they will, show more of Luke with his Academy, because that was a big thing in the EU, but really all we have is the comic with Ben. Right, that's all we've got, actually.
Yeah, and tidbits of information as to what happened with Luke, and at some point it might be worth doing a podcast episode on that exactly, like what happened with all of the stuff with Luke Skywalker in those years between Return of the Jedi and The Force Awakens, and just kind of what went down, and I feel like we've talked about it sparingly here and there, but we've never done a dedicated Luke Skywalker What Happened episode, so at some point we'll definitely do that. It's true.
I definitely want to get in on that one. Yeah, man. My favorite cosplay is actually cosplaying, you know, Luke between those years, and I even say that that is what my cosplay is, because people are like, who are you? And I'm like, I'm Luke between this and this time. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I would love to get in on that con though. Yeah, for sure. Um, alright, let's take a listen to the next one here. Alright, I am here with Adam Meeker. Adam, and Adam, who shot first? Well, Han Solo.
Really? Really? Okay. We got a Han here, and guys, you already know my take on it. Greedo shot first, man. You can actually see it, if you take it and frame rate it. So, alright, but okay. Let's discuss. Alright, thanks Adam for that answer. Um, I, um, Hot topic question. Yeah, and it's so, it's funny, because there's no right answer to this, right, because it's always like
What version are you watching? It's always what version are you watching, right, and it's like if you own you know, a laser disc or VHS of, of, of A New Hope, then your answer is... A pre-1997 VHS. Yeah, your answer is going to be correct, because that's indeed who shot first, and you know, and then and then Han started to shoot first, then now it's sort of like a draw. Yeah.
As funny as I watched A New Hope last night, just coincidentally, and that scene always sticks out to me, because of that weird head jive. Yeah. It always looks very awkward. Uh, and I always think even though it's such a small thing, it did change the viewer's, like, perception of who Han Solo is. Like, in terms of in terms of, like, him not just
gunning down someone cold blood. Yeah, exactly, because that, I feel like that makes a better story arc for Han Solo, personally, because he went from someone who he didn't care, you know. Yeah. Like, he's basically he's been in the underworld long enough that he doesn't really have any qualms with killing someone if they get in this way, or try to turn him in, or whatever. Yeah. Instead, it's just awkward. Like, he survived through pure chance.
I've always been a little confused as to why that change was made. To be honest, like, I've never had a problem with Han shooting first, even though he is a hero character. We've seen him do it before in Indiana Jones. You know, some dudes waving around a sword, and he's just like guns him down. Yeah, but that's also because of the flu, or was it food poisoning, or something. So, I mean, that's a bit lazy as an actor going, come on. Right. But I feel like that's just it, right?
Like, it was the actor going, like, okay, let's just get this over with. But at the same time, that made its way into the character, and became part of that character's story. And I feel like that sort of playing an element here in Star Wars also kind of resonated with me always with that being very Harrison Ford, Indiana Jones-like, right? And so, I've never had a problem with Greedo just being gunned down, like flat out, you know, like, let's just murder the guy.
But at the same time... Sorry about the mess. Yeah, sorry about the mess, you know. Flicks the credit towards the barkeeper. But at the same time, you know, it's George's movie. He kind of had an idea for why he wanted to do this. And I think that might be on my list of questions to ask him, you know, like, other than what would you do with episode seven to nine? Why? Why did you want Greedo to take
a shot? Well, I think he's maybe I'm speaking out of turn here, but I thought he had actually spoke about that. If he did, I've never heard of it. I thought it was that Han Solo was supposed to be hero character that people looked up to. So he didn't want him to murder someone called Blake. I think that's like an Internet fan. It might be. Yeah, I don't think that's ever come out of his mouth, but I would like to ask him that question. Yeah, it is a
good question. Yeah. Thank you. Thanks, Adam, for that thing. I know you're super in the Han shot first category there, Kyle. And yeah, Blake, you're Han shot. Wait, wait. No, I'm a Greedo shot first guy. You're a Greedo shot first guy. Greedo shot first? Yeah. Oh, I didn't know that. I'm a Greedo shot first. Yeah, because I actually took it and I slowed it down frame by frame when I was watching it. And I was like, oh, shit, that came first. So, but I've also... You're easy to win over.
Proof is in the pudding, man. My eyes tell me what I see. That's right, you know? But when I watched it, when I did it, it was that later years. So obviously, you know, it's just what I saw first and everything like that. Or it's not what I saw first. It's the one that I challenged first. Because I saw it way back in the day and stuff like that when obviously it was still Han shot first. But when I finally was old enough to go, oh, who the hell did I actually
shoot? I had just a shitty version that showed Greedo do it. Fair enough. There's a logic to that, too. All right, we'll do two more questions here and then we'll save the rest for May 4th. But let's take a listen to the next one. What do we got here? Oh, is this one a bit bigger? It's not playing back. Nope. Yeah, that one's not playing back. Okay, we'll come back to that one. So, hi, I'm here with Adrian. Adrian. Victor. Victor. And
Damian. And Damian. Now, if you guys had to pick a Star Wars planet to be stuck on for the rest of your life, which planet are you picking and why? Not Felucia. No. Oh, probably Naboo. I was thinking Naboo. Yeah, mostly for the architecture and the climate. There you go. All right. So France, or what is it? No, Italy. There we go. All right. So they say Naboo. All right. That's a good topic and let's see what we can discuss on that. All right. I agree. Naboo's always been
my choice, too. What about Felucia? No, I love how he says not Felucia. Like, it was like literally the first thing on his mind that he's like, hell no. Those dang mushrooms in the fog. Not that place where the accolades come from. Like, no, no, screw that place. I don't want to live in a jungle. I honestly thought it was funny when they all agreed on Naboo. And then after, sorry, I should have kept this in too, but I was like, man, I got to be honest,
mine's Alderaan. And they all looked at me and they're like, wow, what are you going to live to? 13? You're going to blow up. And I was like, wow. I guess you're right, man. Alderaan. Okay, Naboo then, too. Yeah, yeah. I mean, that's a pretty solid choice, honestly. Naboo. Got the rolling hills. Yeah. I feel like the one place that they would be like the last on somebody's list would be like Mustafar, right? But it's like, no. But the answer's like, no, no. Heck no.
Not Felucia. Not the jungle. Get me out of there. I love that. Another thing about Newfoundland is I asked that question to quite a few people and I'm sure we're going to get some more on the next podcast. But my god, a lot of the newfies were like, Hoth. And I'm like, are you serious? And they're like, well, it's already cold here. It's basically the same. I went through it, man. They want to move even further north. Yeah. Norway. You got to hit Norway.
Awesome. Yeah. All right. Well, we can move on to our last question here and then we'll wrap things up. Sounds good. All right. So I'm here with Aiden. Now, Aiden, what is your favorite Star Wars Lego set or action figure? I know. I know. Even if you don't own it or anything, right? I'll go one for both. Lego set is one that I got on my 10th birthday. I had the full size Lego X-Wing fighter, Luke's X-Wing. That was really cool. And for action figure, I'd probably go with, I had a black series
Boba Fett. And that was really nice to have. All right. Well, thank you, man. Thank you. All right. Thanks, Aiden. Yeah. Kyle, what's your favorite Lego or action figure? Oh, well, mine was the Millennium Falcon. To me, that's iconic. But I believe I said to him afterwards, I was like, I'd like to build the X-Wing one. But I want the 1980s Millennium Falcon. I think it had the original three feet or seven feet or something for it. I forget what it was, but that's what I want.
The old action figure Falcon? Like that one? Yeah, yeah. Like straight up, almost first-gen. First-gen Lego Falcon. And the reason is, I know it's not as intricate and all that and everything, but that's the first. I think that came out 99. It's the first set. Was that the first one? The first sets were 98. I'm not sure if the Falcon, Luke's X-Wing came out 98. I'm not sure if the Falcon made it out. I know, I know that a Falcon came out like a long time ago. It was, it was.
Let me find it. Let me find it. I'll see if I can find one. Yeah, there was one a long time ago. Am I that old? It's at least 99. Yeah. For sure. Yeah. I'm getting so old that, look, I'm getting so old that my kids said that I was born in the late 1900s. What? They look really good for your age. The oldest Lego set is 25 years old because this year, along with the 25th anniversary of the Phantom Menace, Lego is also celebrating 25 year anniversary for Star Wars Lego.
So this summer they're releasing a couple sets with the 25 year anniversary badge. And there's some special figures in some of these sets. And I think we talked about at one point, one week on the podcast, like one of these sets has like a super awesome Saw Guerrera from Rogue One. Cool. One of them has fives from Clone Wars. I think Arc Trooper fives. Oh, wow. Yeah. Another one of them is, like they're all like really unique, like cool figures
that, like. Yeah, you have to buy all of them, aren't I? Yeah. We missed out on the 20th anniversary ones. Yeah. Well, I got one of them. I got the Podracer and I got ironically enough, I got a figure that I already had, which was like the Pilot Luke from Yeah, that's the one. I have two. Yes. But it's the one ship I wanted. So I was like, man, I'm like ending up with the same, like I got my third Pilot Luke now. But I think they had a really high quality Lando I wanted for the 20th anniversary.
Yeah, they did make a Lando for, yeah, there was like a Lando, a Leia, a Luke and maybe a Vader or something like that. But yeah, anyways, it was just like four sets. But now they're doing like, I think it's six, six figures for this. Oh, I'll pull up the list. But in the meantime, Blake, what's your, what's your favorite Lego slash action figure? I should probably say one of each. So action figure I'll do first. It's probably the, I got to go with the George Lucas Stormtrooper.
Oh, dang. Yeah. Yeah. That's my favorite six inch too. Yeah. The Black Series. That's pretty cool. I love that they did that. I wish I got the Dave Filoni one as well. Was it, did they, yeah, I think they, did they do Dave? No. Or was it just John Fann? No, they did a Dave Filoni Black Series helmet. But, but not, not an action figure. I think they did a Favro then. It was one of them. Yeah. Maybe it was a Favro. Like the, like a Paz Vizsla. I think so. With that unmasked
or something. Yeah, I think you might be right. I think that's what it was. Maybe something like that. Yeah. Man, my favorite Lego set. I'm gonna go with the classic AT-AT. Came out around 2000. Okay. Oh, okay. That's pretty sick. Yeah. Actually, I think it was a little later than it was. I'm gonna go with my Republic Gunship from Star Wars The Clone Wars. I absolutely love the size of that ship. And there's so much cool stuff. There's a deployable speeder that comes out of the back.
There's like these two cockpits. There's people that can hide in the wing ship guns. Which version though? This version. The first one had the bubble turrets. The first one had the bubble turrets. I have like Gen 2. I have Gen 2. Yeah, that's Clone Wars style. So not the Geonosian one with like the exterior bubble guns next to the doors. I've got the one after that which ditched those.
I actually kind of prefer without the bubble guns just because like those were like instead of the bubble guns, I got a deployable back to tank. Right. Yeah. So it was just like kind of like cool stuff that you could like, you know, just like all packed in there. Right. It's just nostalgia just hit me now when Clone Wars started. It also came with Plo Koon and Ventress as many figures. That's pretty sweet. And maybe yeah, yeah. I think it was yeah, those two.
Yeah. Do you want to attack the clones came out? The whole lineup of Lego sets was awesome. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Attack the clones Lego is definitely like the coolest. I think I guess probably the best lineup they ever did. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Definitely. It's still the only one that you can get Django slave one. You're right. Yeah. Yeah. And I didn't know this until recently, but slave one was the first ship that they actually made curved pieces for which part of the ship for Lego.
Which what were the pieces? Well, like take a look at it like it's like this. Oh, you're talking around the wings for the Django version. Yeah, for the Django for the Django slave one. It was the first Lego set ever to have curved pieces. OK, so I was thinking of the original slave one that released the Boba Fett. It was all like chunky when they had the. Yeah, it was all bricks. Yeah, the double windscreen. Yeah, yeah. And everything. Exactly. It was all
bricks. That's what I'm saying. Like the Django one was the first one that had curved pieces. And nowadays though, you could buy any Lego set and like there's curved pieces everywhere. But back then it was like there was none. It was the first set to actually do it. So pretty sick. Think about that. Yeah. Dude, I bought that set. I got it for my birthday or whatever. It was missing pieces. I was so upset. Oh, I was like nine. So I cried pretty hard. It's missing pieces out of the box.
Yeah, it's missing pieces out of the box. Oh, man. If you call Lego, they just ship you them for free. Yeah, it was nine. Like 2000. That's traumatic. He was nine. I think my my dad had to call Lego as well because mine I think was missing the Django like minifigure what or something. I don't I remember. I know the same set. You're missing pieces, too. I was just missing like a little one by one squares that didn't have the maybe it was the jet pack or something. I think maybe the jet
pack helmet piece. It was like one piece. It was some big component to one. Yeah, it was like weird. But yeah, maybe it was like the whole lineup. I think maybe maybe a lot of them had that problem. I mean, that's why they never released it again. Too many problems. What's your oh, yeah. Sorry. I was like, no, I was like, Alex won't let me get Lego. I'm not allowed to get them. I can look at them from afar, but I'm not allowed to play with them. She doesn't want to
step on them in the middle of the night. So the three. So the three revealed minifigures for this summer's 25th anniversary are Darth Malak, ARC Trooper Fives, and Saw Gerira. Darth Malak? Yes. From the original KOTOR? Yes. So this is a companion piece to the Darth Revan that you could get in a Polly bag a number of years ago, which now is skyrocketed in value. Yeah, I have no idea. I've heard of that one.
I've actually heard of that here at the convention as somebody who's talking about the Darth Revan that was worth a lot of money. It's worth like a couple hundred bucks, I think now. At least a hundred. It's comparable to low. It's at least a hundred. It could be like up to three at this point. But yeah, for a Revan minifigure. Yeah, I know someone who's actually been on the podcast, my friend Curtis, but he has that figure
in the Polly bag still. He built it in the Polly bag because you don't want to take it out of the Polly bag. He built it in the Polly bag. He does that with all the Polly bags. He builds the figure. How funny. In the Polly bag. One day I wanted to open the bag and they're just all wrong. The heads on backwards and like the wrong pieces and like this is my Darth Revan and he opens it up. It's like a rabbit. Yeah, but you can see through the Polly bag. It's just like a teeny little bag.
The back is like semi-transparent. The mystery bags. No, no, no, no, no, no, not those. No, a Polly bag is like it's got the picture of the figure on the front and it's just the figure inside there. When did they release the Revan then? That was oh man that was Darth Revan. Because Polly bags are always some special event thing. Yeah, so the yeah this came out in 2014. So this was exactly 10 years ago. And let's see what's the story with this item appears in one set.
The Darth Revan, the Darth Revan Knights of the Year Old Republic Polly bag. Here's the figure. Man, I wish I got that. That's so cool. It's really cool. Are you looking at a picture of this Kyle? No, but I have looked at a picture of it. The Darth Revan Lego. I think Francis probably showed it to me. That makes sense. It's too bad that Francis couldn't make it
on tonight. But apparently somebody said they got it for free at their local Lego store when they went to I think they bought a they bought something and they got it for free with their Lego set. Oh, they're doing like there's like a promotion promotion bonus man. So this was the Polly bag. They probably paid for like four sets. Yeah. Oh at this point dude. Yeah, at this point it's it's crazy. Yeah. So this might be the one like like a minifigure
have to buy online or something. Maybe they'll have it at Toy Traders. I don't know. They did have one at Toy Traders and I think it was really expensive. Probably. Yeah. Yeah, but yeah. Anyways, we we got to wrap things up for today. But thank you so much to everyone who asked who were asked those questions and got a chance to answer it on Star Wars Escape on. It's been the first time we've actually played stuff from fans on the podcast. So we got we got Kyle to thank for that.
So thank you Kyle for for getting getting random random Star Wars fans on the show. It's been it's been really cool. You are very welcome. You are very welcome. And I'll try my damnedest to to see if I can get a couple of the stars to answer to answer some questions too. Yeah, that would be great. It's and if anything it's actually while while we were doing this podcast, Emin actually wrote me back and because because I was just confirming
like, hey, we're going to do this. We're going to do that. And he's like, yep, Sunday sounds perfect. So we're all good to go. So Sunday, this Sunday at the Calgary Expo, Emin is going to be down doing the draw and you could come meet him and get his saber from him. Fantastic. Yeah. Definitely buy some tickets. Awesome. Definitely. I will be I'll be releasing this episode, by the way, just early. We're going to be releasing this on Friday this week instead of the typical Mondays.
Just so that we can get that information out a little early. Yeah. But yeah, thanks for for running all those questions for us. And yeah, good luck with the Calgary Convention. Hello to everyone in Calgary who's listening, by the way. We'll get some of your questions on in the following weeks as well. And to any of the questions that we got from Newfoundland that we didn't play today, stay tuned on the show. You will hear them in an upcoming week. It's been nice to have these, you know.
Yeah, it's fun. Yeah. Bad Batch runs dry after like 20, 30 minutes. So, you know, this has been good. It's been fun. Maybe not next week. Awesome. Yeah. Maybe not. Well, we'll do a few next week. Next week's interview packed. But yeah, we'll get a few out. We'll get a few out from Newfoundland. Let's do it. Awesome. All right. Thanks so much for joining Gankyle. We'll see you in the next one. Very welcome. Thank you for having me. And thank you, Blake, for co-hosting as usual.
We will catch you in the next one. We'll see you out there. Keep flying. All right. Big thank you to all of our Star Wars escape pod fans out there. A big hello to everyone in Calgary, everyone in Newfoundland. Thank you again for answering those questions and saying hello to us on Star Wars Escape Pod. So, yeah, a big favor to us is usually to share the show with a friend or give us a five stars. If you're using Spotify or Apple podcast, we love those
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