Time to abandon ship. Here we go. Can I persuade you to join us for the drink of the show? It's a tradition. Here. Here Georgia Homie. I made that. Quickly before the Separatists attack. Get into the escape. Jesus escape. Then wear the pot. Welcome back to Star Wars Escape Pod and our next review for The Bad Batch season two, episode four, Faster, which brought us back to nostalgic themes of The Phantom Menace.
And this week we have our co host Blake and Bryce joining us today in the podcast and digging up all this stuff in relation to The Bad Batch, as well as looking over an article from the Direct.com. And it's called Star Wars. All 18 fired and replaced directors in the Disney era. So we're going to take a look back and a look forward at relevant Star Wars change ups creatively as time has gone by. Let's get into it. Another happy landing. All right. Welcome back to the show, Mr. Blake.
Hey. Always could be back. Another exciting Bad Ratch episode to talk about. So it's pretty cool. Yeah. Always a good time. And this week we also got our friend Bryce joining us on the show. Welcome back, Bryce. Evening, Phyllis. Evening. How are you guys? Pretty good, yeah. Doing all right. Excited to chat to Star Wars Weekly. Unloading, of all things Star Wars. That is not always unloading, thankfully.
Yeah. So this past week, I should say a week ago, as of tomorrow, we had episode four, Faster come out with the Bad Batch. And this was a bit of a more condensed, smaller, kind of simple plot line. So this isn't going to take up a whole lot of time, but I figured, let's run through it. Let's talk about it. It's part of the Bad Batch after show series. And then we'll kind of get into this article, which I found fascinating.
Just off the bat, though, talk initial impressions about the episode about faster. I thought it was a lot of fun. And to be honest, I felt like what we got from this one episode with the racing was more I was expecting for the entire series of Star Wars resistance to be right. And we didn't get that at all. Does it have a similar vibe? It does, yeah, a little bit. Yeah. Resistance went off on a weird tangent, though, and really fast. That was the biggest issue for me.
I was excited for a racing show. And then we didn't get very much racing because I thought it was going to be like kind of something along the lines of the Hot Wheels show for that's what I thought too. But just it's even artistically designed to look like that with the cell shading. Right. Well, instead it was a race. It was all about spy stuff and trying to figure out what the first order was doing and some, like, mechanic works. No racing. Yeah. You know, it was a short.
It was a short lived show, too. It was only two seasons, 40 episodes for those who haven't seen it aired between October 2018 and January 26, 2020, on Disney Channel and Disney XD. So kind of like the same age group that Resistance was made for, but then maybe take off a year or two because it was definitely a bit more on the the younger side, you know, like audience wise. I think sequel era takes place between episodes seven and eight.
Is there any big, like, plot points that happens, like, that happens in the show that kind of like falls into the timeline? You know, honestly, nothing super essential. Anything important happens in the show. Nothing nothing incredibly essential. I mean, it's more filling plot holes, I think, like explaining how the first order made all their money. Turns out it was from gambling. Right? They basically just ran a casino. That's right. Kids. Disney X daughter are the kids. The racers as well.
So it's not only gambling, but gambling on children that is gambling. Hedging their bets. They kind of explained a bit more the politics or the relationship between the New Republic and the Resistance, whereas the movies don't make it that clear. But the show kind of cleared a little bit up, but other than that, really didn't do much. I don't really count it in the if I think of all the Star Wars animated shows, I don't really consider this part of the Dave Falloni group of shows.
Yeah. The Baloney verse. Yeah. Tales, the Jedi, Rebels, Clonors, those shows all kind of stick with me. Bad Batch, they all kind of stick with me as relevant to the Falloni verse and relevant to the future of live action Star Wars shows. But this one was a really kind of just random one off thing for young kids in regards to the episode. I thought that honestly, I think it would make a very good, like, Mario Kartesque Star Wars game. That's true.
You know, like like kind of like super bombad racing for the N 60, N 64. Like, it just it screamed like kids game to me. It's like you have like power ups where you can shoot each other and there's like shields and stuff like that that they're, like, activating throughout the race. That's a good point. It is pretty good by comparison. It is just Mario Kart. I don't know, like pod racing is very more of like F one and this one's much more of like an arcade race, right? Yeah.
You know what I thought of when I watched this race? Spike is three. Spike is three. The Death Race. The Death Race. The original plan for the Scooter chase was actually going to be this race. They just reused it. Yeah, the Scooter race was just budget. Super budget. No, Robert, you don't have enough money to do all the crazy stuff. We can't afford to kill any more characters. There's only four of them, and then they're racing, and then the tube is broken. They got to go on the roof.
Yeah. I feel you, Bryce. I liked it a lot. I thought this episode was fantastic and as simple and kind of straightforward as it was. There isn't a lot to talk about, but I just sat there enjoying episode. Right. It was a good filler, though. I liked it a lot. Yeah. It's been strange for an episode this early in the season. I feel like, to be a filler episode.
I say it was for kids, but there is a guy in the crowd who just gets shot, really dies, and everyone is just like, all right, we'll just keep watching the rain. Yeah, I thought that was it was shot so well, too. It's just, like, blaster ball shoot through the screen, and everyone's like, oh, we're okay. And the camera pants back slightly, and the guy's like, oh. And, like, falls over. It reminded me of that scene from Pirates.
Isn't there a scene in Pirates of the Caribbean where that happens? It's where a guy has a fork in his eye. Right. Someone gets shot. Like, someone gets shot in the chest or something and then kind of just sits back down again or whatever. I mean, that's PG. What is this rated, anyway? I don't know. Actually, that's a good question. I mean, the same age group as Clone Wars, I believe. But yeah. PG 13 is pirates the Caribbean. Because, I mean, there's no blood.
No. Yeah. If there's no blood, they can technically have it on there, I guess. But I thought it was quite comical. And Disney plus humor was all right. Yeah, the humor was great. I do like Ben Schwartz. Oh, dude. Ben Schwartz as Tao was extremely funny. Just like, he played funny, arrogant, comedic, great lines. Voice no man. So well done. I recognize his voice. I couldn't quite pin who it was, so I actually just looked him up before the show. Yeah, Ben Schwartz. Yeah. Sonic the Hedgehog.
If anyone's seen the live action Sonic the Hedgehog movie, or I should say the CG film, it's the same guy that voices him in that movie. Such a great pick for definitely. Mom has John Ralphio from Parks and Rec. And he's so he's also from Buffs Burgers. I think it's being serious. He plays, like, this droid that is kind of the opposite of a droid. Right? The droid is like I use my instincts like calculations. You got to trust your gut. He reminded me a little bit about L Three from Solo.
Just a little bit. I think it was like the arrogance the arrogance that he had is kind of reminiscent of L Three, but not quite the same. Yeah. I love when he's like he's, like, half dead on the ground. He's like, I can still race. Just like, stuff like that. Just like, man, it's so ridiculous that it reminds me of B One battle droid humor or something like that. Yeah. Where are my arms and legs are good gags. I really enjoyed him a lot.
I would say he was without a doubtless standout character in this episode. Oh, for sure. I would love to see him come back just for the antics. He just gets repurposed for something. Yeah. Should we go as far as saying he should join the crew? Should they get another pet NPC? I wouldn't mind seeing him all the time, if that's what it took. If he was just like that Droid that they kind of have on the ship and bring along on the missions and stuff.
I think I would like that because the bad batch, like, as a group, other than record, they're not really funny. No, they're all serious. Yeah. Tech is really serious. Hunter is really serious. Crosshair is really serious. Echo is really disturbed and serious. No, it's true. There's no comedic relief. No. Yeah. Tayo adds so much comedic value. And Wrecker is kind of like that dumb. That dumb big guy who's just kind of like dummy funny sort of thing. Yeah. But yeah, I just lost it.
There was a few times where he was just so funny. I was like, man, this guy, I really hope he comes back. His antics actually going back to Resistance did remind me a lot of I don't blake, you on the guy's name, the alien guy. Which guy was that? I looked it up just before the show. Yeah. Miko or something. Or Nico. The name Nico. First I thought maybe it was the same voice actor, which obviously it wasn't, as we discussed here. But I think it must have been just the antics reminded me so much.
Yeah, you're talking about the Star Wars resistance character. Is it miko or Nico? I forget. It's nico with an nico. Nico is the little the raccoon from Pocahontas. Yeah, it's all Disney. Yeah, you get the point. It's all Disney. Yeah. So in this particular episode, sid owes money to a guy named Maleki in the race that Tao loses. And this is kind of where the central of the plot is for this episode.
And it really shows a new side of Sid that we haven't really seen or haven't been introduced to, because this Malegi guy, like, at the end of the episode, kind of just says to clone Force 99. He's like, hey, watch your back. Like, Sid's not to be trusted. Has she always been a good guy? Has she always been more or less like an antihero protagonist sort of deal? Or, like, maybe she's got a really shady background that we just don't know about. So, like you said, Bryce, it is.
He's just racist against trend oceans. All Transoceans are very evil. Maybe she was one of the trend oceans that was part of the hunting team. Yeah, everyone hates background in Wookie hunting. Yeah. I got vibes, like they maybe had worked together in the past or something and she betrayed him or people he knows. Yeah, I got that feeling, too. I thought they'd known each other for a while, so it makes me wonder what Bryce was saying.
Maybe it's a filler episode, but then also, maybe it could be just a foundation episode for, like, later on. That's kind of what I thought. Yeah. Because now Sid owes them yeah, now she owes them a favor for saving her skin, kind of thing. As far as the race yes, go ahead. The alien guy that captures it or whoever, she loses the bet to him. I'm positive. He's one of the alien races we see in Maz, Canada's. Castle yes, he is. He's the big guy that works with the First Order, I believe.
Or the female spy that sits in his lap that then calls first. Exactly. That's exactly the scene I'm thinking of. Exactly. Yeah. That is the same alien species. And his pilot is I guess he I wasn't paying attention. The name of that character is Venom. And that particular alien species was a pod racing species that we saw in The Phantom Menace. And I forget the name of the pod racer that we saw, but, yeah, that was kind of neat to see.
In fact, a lot of the pilots that we saw in this race were pretty cool. We saw BX Commando Droid repurposed as a pilot, so that was pretty neat. Two goofy protocol droids. One of the replaced head. Yeah, I don't know how those were, too. Pardon? I think there's a three PO unit driving. Yeah, this is the protocol droids. Yeah. Like, I can't imagine a world where that would be a good racer. You're right, though.
This had Resistance written all over it because everything from the design of the pilots makeshift kind of building, whatever, similar to the some of the pilots in Resistance, some of them were wearing just repurposed Imperial armor or whatever. And the actual ships, which were cobbled together from other ships, like, we saw one in Resistance, which was a cobbled together, like, half Thai fighter, half something else. And then there was that one, which they came up with from spare parts as well.
A lot of these speeders were also kind of like makeshift. Like, let's just make something that's deadly and fast and as small as possible because they got to fit through those crazy tunnels. So it really had resistance written all over it. Music, sound design. I thought it was all great. Sound design was fantastic. Anyone working at Skywalker Sound should be proud. David W. Collins, fantastic job if you're listening to this podcast. But, yeah, it was great.
I thought the whole thing was fantastic. Yeah. Tao he's got a hilarious moment at the end where he gets run over and destroyed. actress. Accurate for this episode, too, because he did save Sid. That's right, family. All right. Directors hired and fired. We love Disney, we love Lucasfilm, but sometimes creative decisions play a part in the ins and outs of creative leads hired to helm a show. And in this case, the post Lucas era of Star Wars is filled with people who are not George Lucas.
But this list is an article from Thedirect.com and it sheds light on each Star Wars project that has had some change ups here and there ever since 2013, ten years ago as of this year, which is pretty nuts. Because ten years has gone by since since they announced a lot of details in regards to episode seven. And, you know, the creative team that was in charge of that, which is pretty crazy. So can you believe it's been ten years? No.
Yeah. So the first up on the list is, of course, The Force Awakens. You know, and the first name that is brought up is Michael Arent. So on October 30, 2012, disney officially acquired Lucasfilm and announced a new slate of Star Wars movies. Beginning with Episode Seven, a group of creative minds was brought together to piece together the next chapter in Star Wars, including Toy Story Three Michael Arnd. JJ. Abrams was brought on to direct, but he quickly found himself overseeing writing duties.
Seeking 13 months to develop the story, Arnd was fired and Abrams teamed up with the then consultant Lauren Casden to pen what became The Force Awakens. Lucasfilm vied for the release to be pushed back a year. But Disney and CEO Bob Iger, seeking an immediate return on investment, settled for December 2015.
What do you guys remember about all that change up way back when with Michael Arnd getting tossed aside, which who was penning a script based on George's outlines? This was the guy who was going to do it. And then JJ kind of came in and replaced it because he was going to be directing and he wasn't really seeing that story as I don't know if it was him or maybe like further up the chain, but they decided to do something, quote unquote.
What George Lucas said in the Charlie Rose interview for the fans. What do you guys remember about this? I don't remember this at all, really? Like, did like blake, did you hear about this? Am I just on the on the I guess I was aware that Michael Ark was working on it because when everyone was talking about Toy Story Three and then the Toy Story Three guys working on Force Awakens, and then I remember it's been so long. I vaguely remember this, but I really can't say any specific details.
All I remember is being really worried after he was kicked out of the group. I say that with speculating as to what happened, but when Michael arnd was no longer part of episode seven, which at the time, The Force Awakens wasn't actually the given title for that movie. It was just Stalin lips itself. And it was a little worrying for me because this was the guy who took George's outline, which is all that they had, and was penning a script.
And it's like, well, what are you going to do with with like, you know, this is the guy, right? Like, I mean, this is the guy, obviously. Like, maybe George had a hand in picking him or something. These are George's outlines. And like, it was very clear before The Force Awakens was announced as a title that they were moving away from what Lucas had kind of set up for the sequels.
So this is kind of where all this whole sequel kind of drama begins, is at the very start back in late 2012 and 2013 when this whole change up kind of happened again. I have no idea what Abrams had to do with it or whatever, and everyone's got their opinion on Force Awakens, but, yeah, I thought this was kind of a big one for me. I remember this very starkly. Did he have any influence on what eventually became of things or anything he did? Kind of that honestly, I have no idea.
I know for sure that if anyone has a copy of the art of The Force Awakens, there are concept art based on those original scripts. A few of them have been semi recycled, in a way variants made and then later used in some of the films. But the story was was originally quite different and not the same as as what we got. Definitely more of a direct sequel to episode six rather than the movie we got, which felt a little more like a spin off.
Rogue One gary Witta longtime ILM supervisor John Knoll pitched the idea of Rogue One to Kathleen Kennedy as what was then considered an anthology film based on an episode for the unproduced Star Wars Underworld series. Gary Witta was hired to write the script, but later dismissed and replaced by Chris Whites sorry, I'm watching that last name. Whose final drafts deferred greatly from widows.
Gareth Edwards when the film didn't come along as Lucasfilm expected, gareth Edwards was fired deep in the post production process. Though he retained his directing credit, tony Gilroy was called in and assumed command of the editing process, oversaw significant emergency reshoots, and restructured much of the film's plot, collecting a screenwriting credit for his work. There's a lot of stuff on the internet about this already.
I don't know about the Gary stuff, but I know the Gareth Edwards stuff was very much in the spotlight. And Tony Gilroy, who recently was very intimately involved with andor was the guy who came in and helped with the reshoots, the rumor is that the whole Vader sequence and everything is pretty much credited to him as well.
As the entire cut sequence in which the main characters have to run across the beach with the Death Star plans to the tower that they have to transmit from rather than it all being in the single same building. So if you watch the back in those Rogue One trailers, there's a lot of footage that was cut from the end film because of the last minute reshoots and changes. Yeah. What do you guys remember about this one? Pretty much what you just said.
I don't think I even was aware of the writing changes, though. Yeah. What about you, Brace? I definitely remember, like, feeling, you know, how as far as trailers go, the trailer for Rogue One, I actually noticed it was a lot different from the movie. There were a lot of shots in the trailer that I was expecting to see in the movie and it just didn't show up. Yeah, like tie fighter. That's always the big one, right? That's a huge one. Right.
As far as the directors and writers and stuff, I guess I'm a bit on the outside when it comes to this stuff because I don't follow it. If you're following the roommate back in the day, it was kind of all over the place. Right. Like, as we're going through the list here, it's feeling like every project has some pretty massive changes. So I don't know if people have just become numb to it. I don't really notice anymore either.
Yeah, I mean, here's the thing, too, is this happens a lot on just about any project, I would imagine. It's Hollywood, it's movies, it's big companies with a lot of money trying to find their story and it happens. Right. But I think what surprises me is that the Star Wars stuff has always been very much in the spotlight.
There's a lot of people that just kind of notice when it comes to the Star Wars, like reshoots or rewrites or director change ups or whatever, the fan community kind of just notices and just goes on the record. I'm curious. Reshoots all that stuff is pretty standard, as far as I'm aware. But directors being swapped out, does that ever happen in Marvel films? We just don't really hear about it. Yeah, it does. Yeah. And sometimes it is heard about or whatever, but not all the time.
And I don't know, I feel like every single Disney Star Wars movie that's happened or show has had some kind of last minute adjustment somewhere which causes a lot of production chaos. Right. So, yeah, Rogue One was one of those ones that was very much in the spotlight. Similar to force awakens? In a way. I bet if you asked some of these guys like Gary Widow or Michael Aren't, I bet you they'd be like, you know what? It was a bit of a blessing in disguise.
Maybe they're, like, a bit happy that they didn't go through it all the way. Right. So much pressure and a lot of them don't turn out. Our next one is Solo. All right. Phil Lord and Chris Miller. One of the projects initially conceived by George Lucas, Solo was Star Wars first true box office disaster. Co written by Lawrence and John Casden, the picture was initially helmed by directing duo Phil Lord and Chris Miller, aka. Spiderverse Displeased.
With the level of improvisation, comedic approach and length of time spent on set, the pair were sacked midway through production by Kennedy. Ron Howard picked up the mantle quickly and completed the production on time with reshoots. But the budget for the film was ultimately doubled. The movie was released May 2018 at the urging of Disney and for a multitude of factors, flopped, largely eliminating the possibility of sequels. Though Howard is game to return if fan support is strong enough.
And as of late this past year, they actually did confirm that Solo Two was not on the table. That's actually disappointing. It is. Yeah. So, what do you guys remember about this one? I definitely remember this one. This is big news. This was a big deal. Yeah. I think it was the first time that this level of chaos actually happened. Doubling a budget is not good. After Road One and The Force Awakens, you could really feel like, the pressure that everyone on this show is under to, like, succeed.
Yeah. Yeah. And you could also there was starting to be a trend of this behind the scenes chaos happening. And I know when the news came out that they're bringing in Ron Howard, people were quite concerned. And I feel like this film had a bit of a lack of mojo from the beginning. Most people's response was, Why are they making this? Right? Right. So it's one of those I don't know if it was maybe with people talking online that doomed it.
You know what I mean? Like, people had pre planned to not see it and then kind of basically all the dominoes were set up for disaster. That's what it felt like. Yeah. It's unfortunate because Solo is one of those movies that I feel like, at least in my opinion, I actually enjoyed it. Like, I walked out of the theater and I did too. You know what? That was good. That was a good Star Wars movie.
And, yeah, it's not Georgia Lucas, but, you know, it was a bit like Rogue One where I walked out of the theater and I was like, Dang, that was awesome. It's like, yeah, it's a Star Wars movie. It's a Star Wars movie not done by Lucas. It's done by a completely different group of people. But it felt like Star Wars to me. And I don't know if it's like the familiar era that we're getting all these anthology movies.
You know, at this point, when that movie came out, that's all we had was was I think we had the two sequel films and Rogue One. So this was like the fourth Star Wars movie that Disney had done yet. And yeah, it was a mess. But at the same time, the final product, I feel like whatever Ron Howard did, he worked as magic and boom, I thought so, too. I was really happy with it, honestly. I had a lot of fun and I both walked out. So we had a great time.
My only caveat I had with it is I'm not sure if it should have been Han Solo. It should have been some other random smuggler, even, dare I say, dash random, but honestly, even just some Rando. I feel like people the thing that held them back was that it was like another prequel, you know what I mean? Yeah. Or someone playing solo. That's not Harrison Ford. I feel like that was a big part, too. Yeah.
What is this, X Men as a deal breaker for a lot of people? This is the Adventures of Han playing in the background. They just switch that scene up where Solo gets his last name and the guy would just be looking at it and be like, oh, you're just some random person. I'm going to call you. Hanrando history is completely on a different linear curve. Yes. All right. Han. Rando. Han Solo. Hanrando. All right. Yeah. Okay, what do we got next? We have the rise of skywalker.
All right, so Colin Trevorrow and Derek Connolly. To conclude the Skywalker saga, director Colin Trevarro was tapped to oversee episode nine in 2015, writing the script with frequent collaborator Derek Connolly. Jack Thorne was hired for. Oh, Jack Thorne. I think he did the stage play for the Harry Potter eight was hired for revisions two years later, but the story remained unsatisfactory to Kennedy and Lucasfilm.
In September 2017, Trevoro and his writing team were fired from the project titled Duel of the Fates. With little time to spare and a bumped release to December 2019, JJ. Abrams was hired to write and direct the final installment alongside Argos. Screenwriter Chris Terrio, the director delivered the Rise of Skywalker in just 18 months. The film was slammed by fans and critics for creative choices, with Abrams later lamenting that the sequel trilogy should have been planned. Well, JJ.
You're so smart. I agree with them. This is kind of what a lot of people were saying even when episode eight was coming out. And you'll notice that episode eight isn't on this list. And it's funny because it's true. There were no issues with that movie like, from the get go. Ryan Johnson was hired. He wrote and directed that movie, and it went clean sailing. Kennedy, you know, in the in the press, like, had nothing but good things to say about Ryan Johnson.
And they also greenlit a trilogy for him to do at one point. And that is yet to be seen. But but yeah, that movie went fairly well production wise. So. You'll notice that even though it's such a divisive movie, the actual kind of like, you know, creation of it was done fairly without issue. Right. Episode nine, though, colin Trevorrow, Derek Connolly, what do you guys remember about this change up? I thought Colin Trevorrow stepped away, not that he was fired.
Yeah. So this article puts it in the sense that he was fired. But I also remember there being quotes of him that made it sound like it was a mutual separation. More so that they are the one hiring him as they're the client. Right. So he couldn't serve their purposes when it came to the writing of the story. So they just decided, well, if you can't write a story that we want in time, then we should call it. And I think that's kind of how it ended. Maybe this is a rumor. I'm not sure.
It's been a long time, but what I had heard was he stepped away because all of the Legacy characters were gone. Because Luke was a Force Ghost because of eight on Solo was dead because of seven and then Carry Fisher had passed away yeah, I think Carrie Fisher really threw a curveball in his script because she was supposed to be a main part of his story.
And when she passed away, it's like, what do you do with that? So to rewrite his story that doesn't involve Leah as an essential part of the plot, that's got to be tough. Right. And the dual of Fates or dual of the Fates is a script that you can easily find on the Internet. So anyone who wants to know what the rough outline of his story was, it's been leaked. I think there's been a fan who's, like, turned it into a graphic novel.
There's someone on YouTube who redid the entire movie using action figures. And, yeah, this story is out there, and there's a question in whether or not it would have been better. I feel like this script, despite Leia's absence, could have been better in many, many ways. But there's people out there who also love the rise of Skywalker as it is.
So, you know, it's it's always hard to say, but but, you know, I I think there's one thing that can be greed agreed upon is this entire trilogy should have been planned from the start. You know, just like George's 6th movie saga, you know, you sat down and wrote the outline and stuck to it. And that's just kind of the only way to do a big film saga these days. That's what Marvel does. They plan years in advance. What do you remember about this? Sorry, I forget.
If you had did they did they always plan to have three different directors for each of the movies? Yeah. So it was originally planned to have a different director for each movie. Yeah, that way they could overlap production. And I think the idea was also that's what happened for the original trilogy? Kind of. Yeah. I mean, the difference was George Lucas did the story, but it was three different directors that actually did all the filmmaking. Right, yeah.
No, I think the main issue is that George Lucas wasn't overseeing the story. Yeah. Somebody in that position, you need someone to kind of be like the figurehead, like all of them. It's funny because we're talking about this as if it happened away in the past, but really didn't happen that long ago, I feel like. But I don't know, the last ten years is kind of crazy. People flash. People just want to move on. Yeah. Yeah, exactly.
I used to think of it in the past, so maybe that's why I feel like it was a long time ago. do with the face, ray. Oh, man. Okay. Next up on the list, boba Fett anthology film. Yeah. Oh, actually, you know what? This is a movie that doesn't exist, so we'll just play this one. All right. Josh Trank. In 2014, Simon Kinberg was hired to write an anthology film centered on Boba Fett. Josh Trank was later brought in to direct with a release target of 2018.
When Lucasfilm caught wind of Trank's disastrous Fantastic Four production, his appearance and reveal of the film at Celebration 2015 was canceled, and he was subsequently shown the door. Ouch. James Mangold reports of a revived effort on a Boba Fett film came in light in early 2018, this time to be written and directed by Logan filmmaker James Mangold.
When the movie was left off Disney's release slate for the targeted 2020 window, bob Iger explained that there would be a slowdown on Star Wars films following solo's poor performance. Mangold maintains a solid relationship with Luke's film, however, having served as the director on the forthcoming Indiana Jones Five, so that's the story of the Boba Fett movie as we know it was later turned into a series instead of a film.
The details of those stories having been changed for the show, I have no idea. But what do you guys remember? I was curious about that, how much they saved for the series we got on Disney Plus when this happened. I do remember this quite vividly because it was a huge deal that Josh Trank, I think he had, like, a breakdown on set, Fantastic Four, and then everything just snowballed.
Yeah. It's too bad because I remember you telling me quite a bit when this movie was announced with him helming as director that you really enjoyed Chronicle. I did, yeah. I really enjoyed Chronicle quite a bit. But at the same time, it might be the same issue that some of the other directors have had where they have a film that does really well and it's more of an independent film kind of artsy.
And then they get given this massive, multi, even billion dollar project, and then they just can't handle it. The production between the two just be so different. Yeah. I think honestly, in my own speculation, I feel like the script for this Boba Fett movie just wasn't solid enough that they probably didn't keep anything other than the fact that we see him crawl out of the Sarlac pit.
I think nothing else was kept just because of how much involvement that the Boba Fett show has with the Mandalorian, which at the time of this movie's announcement, the mandalorian hadn't even come out yet. Right. Maybe. For all we know, that got turned into the Mandalorian. Maybe, yeah, maybe. That's hard to say. But James Mangold, though, that's a cool brand name to bring up.
I mean, it's cool that he's involved with Indie was the original plan to have a movie and then they turned it into a series. Yeah, well, that's what it looks like to me, right? Because, like, this movie never happened and, you know, and then the next thing we get is a Boba Fett Disney Plus show. So, you know, I guess, like, the the real question is, like, how much was recycled from the no longer produced movie into the Disney Plus series? And my speculation is probably nothing.
They probably just started over from scratch and recycled the same character into a story in which he crawls out of the sarlike pit and then we go from there. But his initial reintroduction to the series was in Mando, right. So it makes me wonder if nothing was kept at all and they were just like, you know what, let's just toss him in Mandalorian. We'll fill in the gaps later with his own show.
And Robert did such a great job with that Mandalorian episode that's like, oh, well, let's just give the show to him. Whether you like it or hate it, in terms of book above, I mean, we got what we got. I recently rewatched the whole show, and I think I was saying this on a previous podcast episode, but I actually didn't think it was that bad. I did enjoy bookaboba, like a decent amount.
Yeah, there's things that I still don't really like, but overall, it's an enjoyable story and there's some pretty good moments in there. Maybe it was just that the bar was so high for Mandalorian, I think. So. I think maybe that's what it was. People just connect with Mando and grogu so much that it's kind of hard to top that, I guess.
But I remember speaking to when we had Jess on from the Boat with Fan Club, and it was like she had her her things that she liked and disliked about the show as well. But I think overall, I think it's just like, if you're a Boba Fett fan to the core, like, I don't think there's any Boba Fett story that that people are just going to just absolutely despise. Right. Like, it's like you just love the character right. If he's slinging a gun and looking awesome, there's something to enjoy.
That's true. I do want to say I almost am a little bit disappointed that there wasn't a James Mangold Boba film because I think that would have been super cool. If it was anything like Logan, I would love to see it. Yeah, you know what? That's a good question.
How different would the character approach have been if James Mangel had helmed the show instead of Robert? Right? Like, would they have made him a softer, more protagonist character that joins a Tuscan Raider family or would they have kind of kept it to more of like a gritty, you don't really see his face all that much kind of guy. Right. That's definitely a big question. All right. Obiwan Kenobi. The anthology trilogy. This is a bit of a story.
Steven Daltry before being greenlit for a Disney Plus series, a project focused on Obiwan Kenobi was being developed as a film. Lucasfilm approached star Ewan McGregor in 2015 about reprising the role of the Jedi Master after the actor expressed interest in doing a spinoff film and a deal was quickly made to begin development. Stephen Daltry was hired to write and direct by 2017, with Hossein Amini later joining the writing team. It was later revealed that the film was being developed.
That the film was filmed being developed was the first in a trilogy with the Voafette film out as a candidate for 2020. Following Trank's dismissal, the Kenobi movie was expected to take its place. Until Solo happened. Lucasfilm abandoned any plans for future spinoff films and Daltry was let go as the odds of seeing an Obiwan project dwindled. So this was kept more so under wraps. This was less in the spotlight than a lot of other things.
Only because the rumors of you and McGregor returning to play Obi Wan was out there. But then until they finally announced the show, I don't think a lot of people realize that this was intended to be a trilogy of films. You know, back when the anthology thing was a thing. Right. Because you guys remember when Rogue One was being marketed as a Star Wars story? That was an anthology film. Yeah, exactly. Solo. A Star Wars story. Rogue one. A Star Wars story.
There was going to be a whole lineup of anthology Star Wars films with Star Wars story. So we probably would have had like Josh Trank's boba Fett movie probably would have been called Boba Fett a Star Wars Story. Josh Trank. A Star Wars story. You guys don't think they're going to do that anymore? Are they done? No, that's the thing.
They are, right? Like a couple of years ago when Bob after Solo happened, that was the big curveball that I think they just didn't expect this movie to do so badly that they realized, okay, we got to change our marketing or the way that we're doing these stories because we can't just keep doing this. Whatever this is, it's not working.
So when Disney plus became a really successful thing and John Favreau and Dave Floni kind of knocked it out of the park with the mandalorian, I think a lot of these ideas that they had for film in the theater style stories, they probably just took those concepts and just said, hey, let's just make a show. Let's just make a season. And then if it goes well, we can make another one. So book a Boba Fett. I mean, maybe we'll get a season too.
Who knows? But obiwan Kenobi, that got turned into a twelve or how many episodes was it? Six episode season. And whether we get another one or not, if we did, they'd have to probably make it interesting and maybe even make it without him fighting vader again. But yeah, the fact that it was a trilogy of films to me is quite fascinating. No, I don't think so. That I'm aware of. Yeah. I don't know. Maybe.
I had, like, vague rumors that it was a movie before it was before it got made into announced as, like, a TV show. All right. There was a lot of speculation, people wanting it to happen, but I didn't hear anything about it officially. Yeah, I know. It was very kind of kept under wraps. I do remember some brief kind of whispers, but not anything official until they announced the show. All right. Ryan Johnson's. Untitled Star Wars trilogy.
Lucasfilm and Kathleen Kennedy were so pleased with the smooth production of the Last Jedi that their working relationship with Ryan Johnson they announced as the writer and director who would take the reins of his own Star Wars trilogy. The news broke during a quarterly investors call with Bob Iger in 2017. November, a month before episode eight theaters. Sorry.
The backlash the film received since has been well documented and no forward progress has been made on Brian Johnson's trilogy in five years. While Johnson maintains that he hopes the project will happen, his focus on the knives out franchise has led to limited communication with Kathleen Kennedy between the lack of movement on the trilogy and the general fan disinterest in Johnson's return. The movies are unlikely to happen, though the director's project has yet to be officially canceled.
So, yeah, that's kind of where the status is. It's kind of sitting in limbo. And I remember about a year or two ago, someone tweeted to Ryan Johnson like, hey, is your Star Wars trilogy still happening? And he replied with a tweet being like, yup, and then fist bump. Fist bump. Yeah, I remember that too. Yeah, just a little yup.
I don't know, maybe it's just because Ryan Johnson on Twitter, but to me, I always felt a lot like trying to be snarky to the haters I feel like it was totally his just way of kind of being like, yeah, suck it. But yeah, okay. To be honest, the guy makes good movies. Like I said at the beginning of this list, it is incredibly hard to make a good Star Wars movie that everyone likes.
Right? Yeah. And for him to be thrown into the sequel trilogy to make the middle chapter, which according to a lot of authors and well acclaimed film directors who make trilogy of films, the second one is always the hardest to do. How is a guy supposed to be a creative filmmaker when you're so locked into what came before and you have to set up what comes next? And at that time, The Force Awakens had already received a decent amount of fan criticism for various things.
So it's like, what are you going to do? Right? And you obviously want to surprise people and make it a movie that people don't just kind of guess the whole thing before it's out. I think the best call would be to just put him in a place in which he can make a Star Wars trilogy, but make it outside of the skywalker saga where that people feel so kind of all of us feel so protective over the main series of films. Right.
It's a touchy subject for I sort of agree with you because I actually really like Ryan Johnson's films and that's why I was excited when he was going to do Episode Eight. I really liked Looper a lot, and since then, I really enjoyed Naive's Out, and I haven't seen Glass Onion yet, but I'm planning to watch it because Nye's Out was so good.
And as we talked about earlier, he's one of the few directors that has these more independent films kind of doing his own thing, but was able to handle all the weights and the stress of doing a franchise. The problem I think lied in with Ryan Johnson and Star Wars, at least personally, was he didn't seem to care as much about following the law and sticking to the rules that George had already established, which to me, I think is where a lot of it falls apart.
And maybe that he tried too hard to go against what people were guessing, which honestly, there's so many big fans that are all going to speculate all the time, so you're never going to be able to trick all of them and still have a good story. At least that's my opinion on that. Yeah, I agree.
But the first point about him, I think, because he's such a creative, that he just wants to do what he wants, right? Not work within a pre established box of rules, which is the one thing that makes me a little hesitant about getting another trilogy. But if he's able to not break stuff, then I would still be interested. Maybe it's just one of those things that he just needs story group to have more kind of say in his script.
If it's anything like lore breaking material or pre established things in the canon that shouldn't be tampered with, maybe someone just needs to be the guy to step in and be like, no, you can't do that. I think Star Wars needs a Kevin Feige sort of voice in the mix, which it doesn't have. Right. I think why a lot of these Star Wars shows are being so successful, because it just works, right? There's people making these shows that Dave, he just knows the franchise well.
He just knows the series well. And or it was done extremely well in a way in which it didn't tamper with any crazy lore stuff, but it was a really high production, great show, quality wise. Production wise, executed a story really well. And it was about a character that not a lot of people knew about in terms of what came before Rogue One. So it made it an interesting story to kind of see like, where this character is going to go.
So if Ryan Johnson was given his own creative liberty to come up with his own characters, you know, and just kind of make a story that didn't tamper with a lot of big events in the and he's not allowed to have force users. Yes. No force users, stuff like that. I would love to see a movie from him in that regards. Right, that's a good point. Yeah, I think he'd make a really good, like a series or like an or and or type series. Right, yeah, exactly. Yeah, I agree. I agree with that.
I think he's talented. He just needs to play to his strengths. Yeah. So, yeah, that is on the list. But again, we're not sure where that trilogy stands. Maybe they're just letting the fandom cool off for a little while before they bring them back. But in the professional worlds they have a good relationship and I'm sure we'll see in Ryan Johnson again someday. Benioff and Weiss. The Untitled Film series. This is a good one. David Benioff and DB.
Weiss a bombshell was dropped in early 2018 when Lucasfilm announced that David Benioff and DB. Weiss would be developing a series of films in conjunction with Ryan Johnson's trilogy set in a new era for Star Wars. Their work was scheduled to commence following the completion of Game of Thrones final season, which the duo reportedly rushed to dive into their films. The poor reception of the season and the pairs urged to get it out, were the beginning of their falling out with Lucasfilm.
Following a peculiar mega deal with streamer Netflix, it was announced that Benioff and Weiss's Star Wars contract had been terminated on October 2019. Reports indicated that the project was to be centered on the origins of the Jedi, but the ideas have been shelved. What do you guys remember of this? Blake yeah, what I recall was this kind of all happened after the fallout of the last season of Game of Thrones, right? Yeah. I mean, that's definitely part of it.
They got a contract with Lucasfilm and then the final season was coming out, which they were in production with. And the rushing of getting that done to get to the Star Wars stuff ultimately, I think, assisted in kind of maybe being a falling out or a series of falling out events like that.
They just didn't really see that as like, oh, well, no one liked the Game of Thrones finale season, so what the heck we harm these guys for? It would have been so awkward showing up on their first day and they're all right, ready to work on the new Star Wars show. They're just like, yeah.
No, I think that it's kind of like in my head, I just picture two guys trying to lift a shelf and mount it on the wall with delicate collectibles on top, and then someone behind is like, hey, guys, come and help me with this. And then there's happens to be this, like, amazing thing. So they just drop the shelf and just go running. Right, and then smash all the collectibles. That is exactly what I think happened. They built up Game of Thrones to be the season. They got so excited.
Messed Game of Thrones up. Yeah. I think they literally just kind of what I thought, too. Yeah, that's what I thought. Yeah. When I saw that final season, I was like, dang, this was really rushed. I know they had a crazy budget for this season, but there was less episodes. But yeah, like, whoa, I'm just glad we have more things for people to be upset about. Star wars fans. Now they can blame Star Wars fans for ruining Game of Thrones. Yeah. And then they didn't even make a Star Wars movie.
If they dropped the ball, they come running to Luke's film, and then because they dropped the ball and the other thing, they ended up I don't want to say it's like, again, it's not clear. This is all speculation, but I don't think it helped. Right. And then the next thing we know is they're taking a contract with Netflix to make stuff for them. So goodbye Star Wars series. But the idea that it was in Origins of the Jedi story, again, that's all rumored.
Who knows what it would have been about? But would it be cool, though? That was kind of like a very I don't know, because we have that there's a really old I think it's expanded Universe now. Right? Like the comic series about the tales of the Jedi. Yeah. The Expanded Universe. Yeah. I mean, there's lots to kind of work with there. There is, yeah. If they use it, that is yeah. Would it be cool? Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Okay. And or that is next on the list, steven Skiff in November 2018.
Bob iger announced that Rogue One prequel series I rogue One prequel series following Cassie and Endor would be coming to Disney. Plus, the show was pitched as a spy thriller project with the Americans writer Stephen Skiff set to serve as showrunner. Script. Issues arose, and Kennedy contracted Tony Gilroy to come back and take a look at the story, who instead developed a manifesto for what he thought the show should be. Gilroy joined the team for Andor full time.
Initially set to write, direct and work alongside Skiff in late 2019, skiff was released from the project entirely, with Gilroy taking over as showrunner and hiring a team of directors. The series was reworked to be comprised of 212 episode seasons, the first of which has received near universal appraisal from Star Wars fans. So this is going to be a short lived one on the list, but I actually didn't think there were any issues with Andor.
And then I read this list and I was like, oh, I didn't know about that. It's a surprising one. Yeah, it is a surprising one because we talked about Andor a lot lately. But what do you guys think about this in hearing all that? What's Shift known for? The American. Yeah. The Americans. I've never seen it either. Yeah, wall street money never sleeps. If anyone's seen that. He doesn't have a whole lot under his belt. He did the screenplay for American Assassin, which is a movie that I saw.
That movie was pretty good. He didn't receive insane reviews or anything like that, but I thought it was all right. Wait, is that the one with Hayden? No, it's the one with Dylan. O'Brien, yeah. What's his face? Batman. Yeah. Anyways, yeah, a bit of an interesting little thing there. Not every Star War show is perfect. Yeah, again, I didn't hear anything about this until you brought it up. The article today, this is totally news to me. I thought the project was really smooth.
Yeah. So it's a bit curious to read that. This is one of the only times I think, well, for whatever reason, they let this guy go end up being a good thing, maybe, right? Yeah, maybe the first times that's happened. Yeah, exactly. That's a good way to put it. JD. Dillard's untitled Star Wars film. JD. Dillard and Matt Owens word broke in early 2020 that Slate writer and director J. D. Dillard signed a deal with Luke's Film to develop an untitled Star Wars movie working alongside agents of Shield.
Writer Matt Owens. The specific nature of the project remains a mystery, though early reports suggest that the sith world exigal could be a focus. But the film never began production or pre production, as Dillard revealed in November that the project and his partnership with Lucasfilm had ended this. I had no idea. I recognized the name JD. Dillard. I remember it being somewhere on one of those kind of like, should we take it with a Grain of Salt articles.
So maybe there was some negotiations to be held. But did you guys hear anything about this? No. I don't know. Maybe it's about, like, Palpatine makes a cult about him gathering all these weird people on the planet. To be fair, I actually am quite curious about what's going on with that. Were they always there? Maybe they were going to set it up. Did Palpatine find them? I don't know if they ever explained that. Yeah, there's still some holes to fill, I think. So maybe this film is needed.
30 years of Palpatine slowly indoctrinating his friends and family. Cult. I never really liked agents of Shield. I'm going to be honest. So this isn't really and I didn't either. No, so it's not a huge deal breaker. But yeah. Sith world of exigal. I mean, it was that's obviously a very new concept and came out of JJ's script for Rise of Skywalker. So, you know, maybe it had something to do with that, maybe it didn't.
Who knows? But either way, it's over, and I don't think we're missing out if we don't know what we're getting. Fair enough. Yeah. Okay, what's the next one on the list here? Obi Wan Kenobi. We're back to Obi Wan Kenobi the show. This time Stuart Beatty, one of the original writers for the Kenobi trilogy. Stuart Beatty spent over a year developing the film on which Obiwan Kenobi series was based.
The writer left the project after the movie was canceled, but his works live on in various moments on the Disney Plus show, including the incorporation of Darth Vader as a main antagonist. Josene Amini, the first writer hired to help Daltry develop the Kenobi film, kathleen Kennedy grew unhappy with Hossein Amini's less hopeful story, and pre production was stopped in early 2020 when Amini was fired.
Joey Harold joined the project for rewrites, which involved major changes as he and director Deborah Chow fought to center Obiwan story on Leia and how the relationship would later pay off with Ben Solo. Production finally began in 2021 following COVID delays and new scripts with the series dropping in time for Star Wars celebration in Anaheim. So that clears up a little bit of stuff. I actually didn't know that Deborah Chow fought to send her Obi one story on Leia because of Ben Solo.
And to be honest, I don't really know where the connection comes in. Yeah, I was just thinking, like, I really made that connection after watching it. Yeah, but you guys, I still can't really see it, honestly. Maybe just the relevance of having Leia die in episode nine was reason enough to kind of use her as a main character at some point. Not really sure.
But what you should do is you should tweet at Deborah Chow and ask if she wouldn't mind sharing the specific moments in the Kenobi show that was supposed to pertain to Ben Solo. Yeah, you know what? That's. A good idea. I think we'll do that right after we finish up here. Right? Because honestly, now that's piqued my interest. I'm curious because I didn't pick up on that either while watching the series because there aren't a lot of connections between OB One and Ben Solo. Right.
So it's hard to see because it connections. I don't know. Yeah. I don't know. Rogue Squadron Patty Jenkins during the Disney's Investor Day event in December 2020, kathleen Kennedy announced that Rogue Squadron would be the next theatrical Star Wars release, aiming for a holiday 2023 arrival. How exciting, guys. This year, the Wonder Woman Patty Jenkins was revealed to be directing what was described as a pilot story featuring X Wings.
Dora writer Matthew Robinson joined the development team to write, though the extent of his work is unknown in light of Wonder Woman's 1980 four's poor reception, word broke out in late 2021 that Rogue Squadron was in trouble and would be missing its release date. Something later confirmed by Kennedy Tykawatiti's film was tentatively bumped into the 2023 slot, while Jenkins worked to refine her movie script, exiting Cleopatra to do so.
What was once a delay now seems to be a worse fate for the film, as Rogue Squadron has been removed from Disney's theatrical calendar, as Jenkins is presumed to have joined the ranks of fire directors. With Luke film and Disney's troubling tendency to struggle with project development, there are a number of films and shows on the horizon that could lose creative leads. writing. This is getting a bit clever. Yeah, exactly. I got to be honest.
Patty Jenkins, she did come out and and post something online about her involvement with Rogue Squadron and cleared up a lot of the shenanigans that people were assuming had happened. Her update is that Rogue Squadron is still happening and that nothing has happened in terms of her association with the film and it will eventually come out.
But priorities were reworked at one point and she did send out a huge long I think it was like an Instagram post or a tweet or something kind of clearing up some of the rumors. And based on the date of this article, it seems to be I forget it. This might be slightly around the time that she posted that update. So it might even be this article that caused her to kind of come out with clearing up some of the truth.
So definitely take this chunk as a grain of salt, because I don't know how much of it is accurate, but based on just, like, the promo material that we have for Rogue Squadron, that little video that they did, and the idea that we're getting a movie on Xwings, I mean, there's a chance that we could still see this movie. So what do you guys think about it? I still really want an X Wing based movie. I think that'd be super cool.
I really want it to be something in the light of oh, gosh, I'm playing on the name right now. That Tom Cruise one. Top Gun. Top Gun. Thank you. I think that was super cool, right? Yeah, top Gun style. Star wars movie would be pretty sick. Yeah, it's like Disney. You'd have to be very confident a movie is going to be made to make a release thing like they did for Rogue Squadron. Right. Like, to put her in a video release. It for everyone to see. Yeah, it's true. I don't know.
It'd be very strange if they didn't make it now. It would be. But then again, it's a bit like that show that we never saw the light of day, that Rangers of the New Republic. Did they make any video teasers? Well, no, but there was like a logo done up and everything. It was a show that was going to happen in what you mentioned there, Blake, the Falloni verse and yeah. That just ended up not being a thing, I guess. I don't know.
It kind of, like, happened around the same time that what's her name, Gina Carano exited Star Wars. So it's around that time that that show was put on the shelf. So I guess she was the main part.
But maybe they just didn't see any kind of maybe other things happened that they were like, yeah, you know what? We actually don't need this after all, so yeah, I mean, based on the Mando Three trailer, we are going to see some returning characters that, you know, may have been in that show and, you know, pilots and whatnot. Yeah. What's his name? APA. From? From. Help me out like Kim's convenience. Kim's Convenience. Oh, yeah, yeah, that's fine.
Yeah, that's what I was thinking of was Airbender. I'm like, I know this name. What is it? From Gift? Yep. That's funny. Yeah. Blake, what are your thoughts on this one? I am surprised to hear that it got pushed. As Rice was saying, it seemed like this is going to be like, they're going full ahead with it. Right. So this is news to me that they pushed it, and I still want it to happen because it seems like it'd be a lot of fun.
Yeah, it seems like they really don't have faith in if, like, someone's thing bombs, they're like, oh, no, now you're going to make our thing bomb. But I don't think that's necessarily the case. I don't know. Wonder Woman and kind of Game of Thrones and a lot of these previous failures, they can fail for other reasons, not just directors. Yeah, it's true. I don't know. I guess it's a risk that they're not willing to take. Right. So you need to step out. I apologize. I got to go right now.
Oh, no worries, man. All right, we'll catch you later. All right, Bryce. Just you and I. Let's power through this thing. Tykoetiti's untitled tycoetiti is untitled Star Wars film taika Titi and Christy Wilson carnes announced as part of 2020 Star Wars Day festivities. Taika Waititidi and Christie Wilson carnes were tapped to pen a new film, with the former serving as director.
Waititi's immediate attention was given to Thor Love and Thunder, which was met with backlash from Marvel fans and critics. The untitled film is now in a state of limbo as Whiteitia has been trying to figure out the story for three years. But it might be shelved for good as Damon Lindoff's project aims to be the next release. What's that project? I don't know, actually. Damon Lindoff? Yeah. Honestly, I haven't heard anything about this one. Maybe it is on this list, but yeah.
What did you think when Taiwatiti TaikaWaititi was announced as a director for a Star Wars movie? Well, he seemed to be he's had his hands in a lot of different stars projects, so it seemed like the natural course of things. Right? Yeah. But also I think we're getting a bit what tedied out in Hollywood and films and stuff. He's just been doing so much. He directed the Mandalorian episode or two, didn't he? Yeah. And he was cast as the IG 88 droids.
Yeah. This one, for some reason, I feel like isn't going to happen. Yeah. I have a good feeling it's not going to happen either. I mean, nothing against the guy, but it just seems like one of those things that is like I think Ryan Johnson's trilogy is probably more likely to happen than this one. Oh, really? Yeah, I do, actually. There's been nothing about that, right? No. Yeah, there's been nothing.
But I feel like it's going to be one of those things that just feeling yeah, I got a feeling it's like celebrations going to kind of come around the corner and shake things up. Yeah. They're just going to be like, you know what? Ryan Johnson is coming back. All right, go ahead. Who is Christy Wilson? Karen. What has she been that I actually don't know. Let's take a look. Oh, 1917. She was the writer on 1917. That's pretty cool. That's pretty awesome.
Yeah. Other than that, she hasn't really done too much else that I've recognized. A bunch of shorts but talented writer. What do you think? Do you think latitude can make a good stars? You know what? I think given his own kind of deliberately to pull something off without having to make it relevant to another story, I think he kind of like Ryan Johnson.
I think he could probably pull off a pretty good Star Wars story because he only directed Amanda orina so that's not saying too much because it's probably written by somebody else. But yeah, he's got some good comedic value to him. And I think he has the ability to make some pretty good characters. Even though Love and Thunder, the Thor movie, did you see it? Yeah, I did. I don't know, say what you will about it, I thought Christian Bale's villain was really well, really good.
Yeah. So I think he has the ability to come up with some really good characters and just kind of help pull out a really good performance out of the actors. If he's got a writer under his belt like Christie Wilson Carnes, who did 1917, maybe we could get a really good gritty kind of rebel movie or something. Yeah, like maybe kind of like that battlefront Twilight Company novel or something. Just like about the rebel troops. Maybe focus on a new set of characters. And you got some comments.
The battle scenes from Solo kind of like gritty, right? Yeah, stuff like that. Right. I think, yeah, maybe he could pull off a really good movie, but I guess it's yet to be seen. It would all depend on the type of humor because I think sometimes witditi movies, I don't know, his personality kind of takes the whole movie over. Totally. Like, his personality is almost stronger than like, you know, you think of it as a Waititi movie first and a Marvel movie second.
Yeah. Which is, yeah, pretty crazy. But yeah, it's almost like Ryan's it's like if Ryan Reynolds is in a movie. Yeah, it's like it's a Ryan Reynolds movie. It's no longer whatever franchise is part of. Yeah. I think it's one of those ones that either do really well or just maybe just bond. Yeah. Lando. Justin Simine.
Among the many Star Wars Disney Plus series announced during the big Investors Day event, lando has drawn the least amount of chatter intended to serve as a connector to Solo of some kind and developed by dear white people's. Justin Samin the biggest hold up for the project appears to be lead actor Donald Glover's busy schedule. Lucas film still maintains an interest in completing the show but Simene wouldn't be at fault if plans fall through due to lack of movement.
Do you remember the Disney conference that they had when they showed the title card and everything for Lando for this movie? No, I don't remember that Disney Plus show, but yeah, okay. Yeah, it's a little curious. It's still up in the air. Was it when they unveiled all of them? Yeah, exactly. So Lando was one of those things. So, yeah, maybe we're looking at another Dead project. Who knows? But this is probably the closest thing to a Solo two that we'll probably get.
I would imagine it takes place after Solo just based on the way it ended. There's so many canceled Star Wars stories and anthologies. Maybe they just need to make a series kind of like a Star's Visions, but just like a series of just short episodes of all these characters in them. Totally. Yeah, exactly. Man, I don't know. I think after the rise of Cloud City. And that would be very cool. That would be cool. Yeah, I'd want to see that. And it's a story we don't have still, which is good.
Yeah. Damon Lindoff. Oh, here we go. Damon Lindeldoff. Untitled star wars film. All right. Reports of a Star Wars film being written by Watchmen creator Damon oh, that's what he did. Broke earlier in the year and were recently corroborated. Shortly after Star Wars Celebration in May, lindelof held secret writers room meetings for two weeks with key Lucas home executives and cowriter Justin Britt Gibson.
The story is said to take place after the events of The Rise of Skywalker with the potential for characters from the Sequel trilogy to appear. This is that one. Did you see the rumors that or the post that Daisy Ridley was at Lucasfilm in California? I was just doing some discussion about this, possibly. Well, she posted a photo of some prop or statue or something that was in the halls of I believe it was either LDAC or somewhere down there where they have like maybe at the ranch or something.
But yeah, she was at Lucasfilm and people were freaking out because it's like, oh, raise at Luke's Film. Like, what the heck? So that's where these rumors come in. But how do you feel about a story taking place after because obviously this isn't confirmed yet. Celebration this year is around the corner, so maybe we'll get some confirmation there.
But how do you feel with a movie set after The Rise of Skywalker? I mean, they either have to do something with the sequel trilogy or bury it as far as you can, but they can let it sit in limbo. I think that's the worst thing. Yeah, I agree. As far as my two cent on it, I would say I think if they pull off a good story and they don't tie it in to make it an unofficial episode ten, just kind of make it its own thing and just have it take place somewhere else with other characters.
I would be fine seeing small appearances of some of the characters we had in the sequels. But yeah, I don't want it to be that unspoken thing. It's like, yeah, this is just basically Episode Ten. It would be a really tough sell. It would be, yeah, it would be. Sharmeen Obad Chenoi. In a surprise move given her Pakistani exclusive body of work, luke's Film hired Miss Marvel's Sharmeen Abad Chinoi to direct Lindelof's picture.
She joins a growing list of Marvel creators to be tapped for Star Wars project, though her fellow alum don't have great histories of sticking around turnover in the director's chair as possible. Any time for still developing the film. And if Lindelof goes, she is naturally probably to go as well. So this stapled on to the end there. Sean Levy's untitled Star Wars film.
Word broke out that Deadpool Three, Sean Levy had been tapped to helm an upcoming Star Wars film which was later confirmed by the director himself. The current plan is for the director to see his Deadpool duties through to completion before moving over to Star Wars. But the film is reportedly different than the other projects currently in development. With no attached to writer announced, the movie could be over half a decade away from production. That is a long time.
Cool. Well, I love deadpool. You love deadpool. Yeah, for a Deadpool type movie. I'm not sure what kind of Star Wars story we're getting in six years. In six years, we're going to get a salacious crumb. A Star Wars story. Oh, man. Yeah, this guy. Clearly, if Sean Levy is going to be doing Star Wars movie, there's a good chance we'll see Ryan Reynolds in Star Wars as well because Sean Levy has been involved with Free Guy and the Adam project.
So he's got a good working relationship with Ryan Reynolds. And yeah, I don't know how I feel about this one. I mean, like, so long as he can really kind of change up his style of storytelling and make it not a Ryan Reynolds comedy, then I think we're in good water because those have all been good movies that he's done. They're all very kind of similar in terms of the style. Right. It's about the same situation as a Wititi movie. Exactly. Kevin Feige's, untitled star wars film.
This is also big news. After years of begging the MCU and Star Wars fans alike, it was revealed by Marvel Studios that Kevin Feige would be stepping into a galaxy far, far away. Back in 2019, he would serve as a producer for the film alongside Kennedy. But with his Marvel duties being all encompassed, the time frame for production and release hasn't been set. So this could easily go away. But I remember the buzz around Kevin Feige being announced that he would join Star Wars.
And do you remember anything about this man? I must live in a hole. That's all good. What are your thoughts on Kevin Feige doing a Star Wars movie? Okay. So what is Kevin Feige famous for? What movies? Well, he's just the guy that kind of helmed the MCU. He's like the head honcho of the MCU. So, like, for him to produce a Star Wars movie, I don't think he'd be directing, but he'd be kind of guiding guiding the story and, you know, doing a number of other things.
His involvement with Star Wars, though, if you just look at any Marvel movie ever, it's a tough one, right? Yeah, he just seems like a big name. Does he want to do Star Wars? Does he just need something to do? Because what do you do after the Titan that was the MCU. Well, and it's still going too. He dropped like, news on phase five, six or four. Five and six. Like all in a day. They were like, yeah, here's the next, like, ten years of marvel magic.
I don't know how he's going to find time to do his star. Come on. There's no way. Yeah, chill. I don't think it's going to happen. Kevin. Kevin, come on back. Michael, along with marvel people, this looks like the last one on the list, michael waldron. As part of a larger deal with disney, loki scribe Michael waldron will be penning the script for Feige's film. Loki was awesome, so that's cool.
In may, the writer revealed that he was deep in the process of developing the story, one that will be disconnected from the other star wars projects. A director for the film has not been named yet, though waldron's strong working relationship with feige should see their film through to completion. There aren't many star wars movies in the works at the moment, and for a good reason.
The method of hiring hollywood's latest greatest and then sacking them after one lackluster output isn't a winning formula. Kathleen kennedy has discussed the need for commitment from the creative minds she brings in, but that needs to be reciprocated by Lucasfilm. While some of the fire directors and writers were likely deserving of their fates, it seems that Lucasfilm and disney can get trigger happy. Stephen Daltry, for instance, didn't need to lose his job.
Obi wan kenobi was fine as a series, not special, but could have been gotten a movie treatment. The fallout from solo's box office bomb changed the whole approach for star wars and is easy to question if the wrong lessons were learned. I'm going to ignore the rest here, but that's an interesting point.
Do you think that the bombing of solo kind of they learned a bad lesson? Do you think that you would prefer star wars movies rather than all the star wars shows that keep coming out or what's the deal at this point? I feel like we've seen more success via the star shows. Would you agree? Yeah, I mean, like, I would say that the success of the shows, you can't be missed. Right.
Is that maybe because, like, modern star wars, do you think it fits like a TV show format better or do you think it's just that they're incompetent at making movies? I think it's a touch of both, to be honest. Star wars has always been designed to be episodic, right? So like, for a star wars show to happen, this was George's idea for a star wars to be a show. He's the guy who came up with clone wars every week. So it is a natural fit for star wars to take place on.
And I think that's why the animated shows just kind of never rarely amiss. I mean, they tend to always hit the right note for me, but the live action shows, it's always a bit questionable. And I think it usually comes down to maybe just like the rush aspect of not having the time to plan out this epic story. Because you look at any of the George Lucas movies, they were planned years in advance and Obio and Kenobi was like, slapped together in less than three years.
And it's like, okay, well, yeah, discussions started to way earlier, but I mean, the movie was canceled. We took some concepts, we made a show out of it and you get the person directing it. She was a guest director on Mando, if I'm not mistaken. So got a good working relationship. All right. Yeah. You want to tell this story? Cool. Let's do it.
I don't think that's the attitude that they should have for a lot of things, and yet I think it's just the way that they just tend to go about it just because it's a money machine. It's like they make more money in a year with all this more Star Wars stuff. The more Star Wars stuff they put out, the more money they make aside from solo. So I think that obviously plays a part in asking to do whatever's profitable.
Yeah. And then when you have so many Star Wars shows on the go at the same time, problems tend to happen and continuity tends to be broken and the list kind of goes on. But I do miss going to the theater to see a Star Wars movie. I mean, seeing as the last one that was there was rise of Skywalker, like, I think it's about time that we get another one. I'm willing to wait for like a while. Hey. Yeah. And and here's the thing.
Like, I'm willing to wait for it if they just told us just straight up the next Star Wars movie. And unlike the other ones where they've announced a year and just never came through with anything, it would be nice if they actually said, this is the movie we're going to do. This is the year that we're going to release it. That's the date. Much like some of these Marvel movies, they hold their date true up until the point where it comes out like years in advance.
Here's our director, here's the writer. We're really excited to do this movie and meanwhile, enjoy the shows that we're going to be putting out in Disney Plus. I'd be totally happy with that. I think the issue is transparency. Totally. Yeah. Transparency is key. I mean, I think the main issue here is they'll announce something and then just not do it. And then it'll be like, oh, yeah, you remember that thing that they did? Which is exactly what we're doing today.
Looking back at all these things, I was like, yeah, you remember when that was announced? Yeah. And then it just never happened. So yeah, I think that's also a big thing, too. It's just like commitment to the creativity, to the process. I don't know maybe Solo has made them realize that lesson, and maybe that's how they're going to take it from now on. Maybe they're just going to take it a bit more slow. Yeah.
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