Here we go. Can I persuade you to join us for a drink? It's a tradition. Here. Here Georgia. Homie. I made mad quickly before the separatists attack. Get eaten. Escape. Just to escape and wear the pot. Welcome back to star wars escape pod. And our second aftershow for the bad batch. We're talking today all about episode three, the solitary clone. And we're going to be getting into the details of this.
Just picking out things we liked and talking about the the nitty gritty stuff, making connections and more with our friend Kirk and your cohost Blake. So let's get into it. Another happy landing. All right. Welcome back, you guys. Hey, good to be back. It's very good to be back. Good to have you guys back and chatting about another star wars show. Another episode, another week. It's crazy how much stuff we get all the time. And this one was a big one.
This episode was keeping an eye out on the star wars twitter. I call it the star wars twitter just because I'm following so many star wars accounts that it may as well just be a source of the force kind of thing. But David w. Collins is a great guy to follow. He works at skywalker sound and very notably had a lot to do on the force unleashed back in the day. And he's been at Lucasfilm employee for quite some time.
And he was very adamant about kind of saying, like, this was his favorite episode of the season. Okay. And he's seen every episode as opposed to only the three, is my favorite episode so far as well. I guess so, yeah. He's done the sound design for most of the series, so I guess he has probably seen them all and would likely be a great opinion to kind of take in when it comes to this kind of stuff.
So he said his favorite episode, so I don't think that necessarily means the best, but he likes it the most, and I thought it was awesome. It was definitely one of the even compared to season one. It was quite high up there, if not my probably favorite episode out of both seasons so far. Yeah. Everything. Can we go one step further? What if we include a clone wars? Would it still be at the top? Probably not. No, not at the top at all. Not that good. But in its own world, yeah, but pretty good.
It was the best star wars episode ever that featured crosshair and Cody. Yes. I would say that the solitary clone. This episode starts off with the empire attempting to expand to a new planet that's fresh to the canon called desex. And I actually really like the name of this planet. It just feels star wars to me. DEsix. It also turns out that crosshair has been left on did you guys catch that little remark that he says he was left on camino for 32 rotations.
All right, I looked up in the Star Wars Atlas how many hours each rotation is, and it's 27. 27 hours for each rotation. So he was on that platform for over a month without food, without food or water. And I don't know how he made it, but he figured it out. Wait, why did they leave him there? For what did they forget about him or was like a search party? Did they explain that? Yeah, that's a great question, actually.
Blake, do you remember the season one finale? I believe they went back to Camino to try to figure out Omega stuff. They went back to I'm halfway there. Yeah, you're halfway there. Yeah. So the bad badge goes to Camino in the finale to rescue Hunter because he's been kidnapped by or taken, I guess, by Crosshair. And Crosshair is planning to use Hunter as bait to lure the clone force nine nine two Camino, and obviously bring Omega there.
And while they're there, he pulls some stunt and they end up killing those kind of want to be stormtrooper the Beta squad, the people that were wearing clone trooper costumes, but not actually clones. And then he kind of gives them a choice and says you can join the empire or kind of suffer the consequence kind of thing.
But he gives them a chance to kind of, in his eyes, redeem themselves towards his perspective of how the empires all great and everything and then they end up things end up going south when the empire bombards to poke a city and essentially tries to sink it into the sea cause they all clear out. You know, they pull out of that their whole operation.
They pull out and they, you know, they they kill off some of the Caminones there and and they're attempting to leave and the whole thing is kind of sinking and them and Crosshair kind of get out in the nick of time. But yeah, when they leave on their ship, which is in like a hidden landing platform, like kind of far off somewhere else. Right. Elevator thing. Underwater. Yeah, there's like an underwater hidden tube that goes to one of the Cam and Owen's hidden laboratories or whatever.
And they give Crosshair a chance to rejoin their squad, and they say, you can come with us. They give him the same chance that he gave them, and he decides to also refuse. It was revealed that his chip, if he had one, never worked to begin with. That's just who he was. Yes, he said that he claims at least that he had his chip removed and that we're meant to believe that his opinions of the Empire are his own, which is supposed to kind of linger with that character.
Every time we see him now for this season, we're supposed to remember the fact that he is making his own choices. And I think that plays a lot in the plot of this episode. And just kind of the things that Cody says throughout his appearances in this episode as well. Just like the things that have to do with being a good soldier and all that. So, again, spoilers for anyone who hasn't seen this Bad Batch episode, but a little too late to hit that.
I'm always too late to hit the spoiler button, to be completely fair. We've got the episode being the breakdown of this particular episode. Maybe it's a spoiler warning from the beginning. Retrospect. That's true. Retroactive. Just open with it before even say anything. Kirk, I got a question for you.
What did you think about Cody's repaint? Honestly, if they didn't mention that he was Cody within I think Crosshair may have mentioned it or the other general, I wouldn't have actually realized it was him because he was just in normal armor and it kind of looked like quite similar to all the other clones. But, yeah, it was interesting. I'm glad that he's back because I don't think we've seen him since, whatever, the last Clone Wars episode probably that we saw him.
So it was good for him to be back. And I liked how they paired him up with Crosshair because we kind of again, spoilers. But, yeah, he was kind of like the opposite of Crosshair. Crosshair was obviously more and more leaning towards supporting the Empire, and then Cody was more so kind of having that feeling that his inhibitorship was almost wearing off, I guess. Maybe so. I'm not sure. But, yeah, it was good to see him. It was good to see him.
Yeah, there's almost remorse almost coming from him. It felt like he had a lot of regrets. Yeah, it did feel like that. It's interesting because he's almost trying to pry for information out of Crosshair and try and get an idea as to what his opinions are about the Empire.
And, yeah, it's really apparent to him that Crosshair is an Imperial believer, and he also asks about Clone Force 99, and he also reveals to us in the beginning of this episode that more and more clones have been questioning the Order, which by the Order, he means Order 66. And yeah, like you said, Kirk, about the effects of the chip, I think the way that Rex or somebody, I don't know, Blake, maybe you can try and remember which this moment was as well.
But I feel like we've heard one of the characters at some point say that it's almost like a nightmare that they were living where or maybe it was Wrecker. I think it was Wrecker in season one said that it was like a nightmare. He couldn't control himself, he couldn't control his body, he couldn't control his actions. He was just kind of trapped and something else was driving him. So it's a bit of a bit of a scary thing.
And I guess once that's all over, it kind of lingers or wears off a little bit, I guess like a nightmare would kind of leave you in the morning, but you'd still remember and think about it. It's almost like a hypnosis. If you've ever been to hypnotist, I think when it's over, it's just like a dream state or you don't quite remember all of it. But you know what happened, right? That's what I'm guessing it was like. Yeah, that's what my guess would be too.
Very cool to see clones and droids again in this episode. It's not like Clone Wars. Yeah, it felt very Clone Warsy, but in a very cool, unique sort of way with this being this is the Empire now, right? And Imperial has been taken hostage. It's all about retrieving this guy. It's a retrieval mission. But it felt very cloneworthy, the whole vibe about it. And yet I just kept thinking to myself, like, this is probably one of the last times that we're going to see this.
As far as, like, an animated episode goes, unless they do more Tales of the Jedi that we see clones fighting droids and stuff like that, this show is probably going to be the last that we get, which really delivers us Clone Wars style content. Right. Visually on screen. I don't know. Has it kind of like stuck with you guys at all? Yeah, well, a little bit. But I hope that Lucasfilm turns around and makes a four hour cut of Revenge of the Fifth in the Clone Wars animated style.
So yeah, I think that's coming out next year, so maybe we'll get some more of it. Well, the original one was Luke's cut. Well, it's like that. What is the James Cameron's Avatar Two, I think wasn't that 9 hours or something? His original. Oh, my God. Original. I don't know what the heck they could have cut from that movie. That three hour movie was 6 hours of content. Yeah, I feel like there wasn't enough water scene, so that's probably what the extra 6 hours was.
Just like James Cameron, like filming an Avatar just dripping in the water, just being lake, just chilling. 6 hours. 100%. Yeah. Oh, man. Lots of whale sequences for them all just swimming together. Yeah. I feel like this is going to be the last time, or not the last time, but we're getting further and further into these shows and being like, how much more can they show us in the past? Or like in that era of the songs? I don't know.
Straight, like, how much more space can they find in there? Yeah, I really enjoyed seeing and I always liked seeing this era of Star Wars merging with the next as well. I like that a lot, too. Yeah, that's very cool because it brings in the stuff that a lot of Star Wars fans love and recognize, like Stormtroopers.
But then we're getting that story that we didn't think we needed or the story that I guess we never thought we would get, which is that Protocol Stormtrooper, the first of the first Tk units with that new helmet. Yeah, I saw that. That's the original stormtrooper design by Rock McQuarie. Yeah. And it's very cool to implement all that stuff. So you're going way back and digging some nostalgia out, but you're also making something new.
And in the newer era that, of course, like, a lot of us kind of grew up with anyone who was born prior to when the prequels were coming out. That's also nostalgic for us. And then it's done in a style of a show in which kind of new Star Wars fans can also appreciate. So there's so many things to love about this show. And we get droid humor again, probably for one of the last times. It's always so slapstick. It's interesting. All the other shows I feel like are super serious.
And then Clone Wars just has these ridiculous droids. Yeah, exactly. What's the next thing? Okay, so the infiltration mission, I thought it was excellent. I thought the cinematography wise, shot for shot, the sound, the action, everything was really well done. Blake, what do you think about this? The action sequence, it was very infiltratory, which that was a lot of fun. Almost very sneaking. Your squad mates crosshair has some really cheesy moments to me that I'm not sure if I buy it.
Do you guys think if you shot up the barrel of a tank, it would explode? I mean, this is a bad batch, right? He's so talented. He can do anything. I thought what was a little bit more crazy was that the mirrors yeah. Threw the mirrors around, and then when he's like to curti, just throw the mirror, and then it perfectly hits. Like I mean, obviously this guy has been doing a lot of push ups. He's been doing a lot of training, and he knows how to use a sniper rifle.
But I thought that was a little bit ridiculous. It was a bit over the top, just the fact that there was multiple mirrors. So they'd all have to line up perfectly. Yeah, whatever. I guess a little far fetched, but it's still cool, right? It was cool. This is reserved for animation style stuff, 100%. I think that's what makes Clone Force 99 such a great group of characters to do an animated series about.
And that's probably one of the biggest questions that a lot of people may have, is, like, why the bad batch? Right. But that's a great reason to kind of present when describing this show. It's like, yeah, this is a great group of characters just, like, might not play off well in live action, but they're all those characters. It's like every single one of them that all has a special ability.
It's almost like a bunch of super geeky Star Wars fans got in a room with a bunch of comic book fans, and we're like, okay, what if there was a clone trooper that could be like the Hulk. It pretty much is that yeah. What if there was a clone trooper that had all the skills that Hawkeye has? Yeah. Super soldiers, genetically enhanced. Yeah, exactly. So, yeah, crosshair, I noticed that in this episode, they come across a woman and a child, kind of, like, trying to hide from all the action.
And when Cody lowers his rifle and says, it's okay, we're here to help, crosshair just keeps his rifle, like, trained on the woman and the child when when he sees them. And just like, it's a totally different I don't know, like, it's like they're clearly on different kind of mental perspectives as to how to approach this mission.
Like, Crosshair is doing it in the name of the Empire, and Cody still in that mindset, like what we were saying, he's just kind of regretting a lot of stuff in his life. Well, that was the clones throughout the entire war, right? They were doing this to save the galaxy from the Separatists and the droid armies. Quite often, they would only show up after the Separatists had taken over a planet and put it under their rule. They would show up to try to liberate them.
So taking these clones that were fighting for freedom, and now they're the ones being asked to put the boot down on people, it just fly right, with most of them. And as we hear towards the end of this, a lot of clones have been abandoning and going on the run, right, which in and of itself is crazy, because this is all they've ever known was to be part of the Republic army, right? Yeah, exactly. And the Republic meant something to them.
It's also a government in which kind of even though it wasn't perfect, it was still freedom for a lot of worlds. And when the Separatist Alliance kind of, like, happened and broke off and civil war kind of went down and stuff, the clones were kind of perceived by many people as just like heroes, right, except for those on the other side of the war, of course.
But in general, now that everyone's kind of on the same side and under the boot of what used to be the Republic, they're no longer perceived as heroes. They're now being perceived as these villains. Right, which they're not used to, because the war just ended, and all of a sudden, boom, just overnight, they just became Jedi killers and enforcers of this Empire that no one wants. But then there's someone like Crosshair which just believes in that. Right. So it was interesting.
It was an interesting little scene to kind of, like, see their differences, I guess. Yeah. It almost makes me feel like you've got, obviously, the inhibitor chip, which has affected the clones significantly, but then there is also part of their programming on the inside, which is everything for the Republic and what their ideals were before the Empire. So it's almost like these two sides of their brains are almost kind of fighting with each other internally for all these clones.
And obviously that previous side that supports the Republic, which is no longer in operation anymore, is almost kind of taking over what the effect the inhibitor chip has on the clones. So I feel like that's really what the Bad Bat show is, exploring the most and trying to show us the most compared and Crosshair and Cody are the two kind of polar opposites of it all. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah.
Kirk, what did you think about that moment when Cody saves Crosshair's life and then obviously what follows that up with Crosshair doing what he does? What did you think about all that stuff? Yeah, that was my favorite moment in the whole show. Not because I have anything against crosshair. Well, I guess I do, but it was like the moment, the brief moment where Crosshair showed a little bit of, I guess, humanity to him.
He was so desperate and he was so out of character because of how desperate he was, because he needed, obviously, Cody to help him. And yeah, I was really focused then. I was like, well, he can actually break and he does have a bit of a limit. So I don't know whether or not that shows he will change or he's actually got something inside of him because before he's just this robot that follows the Empire's orders and there's no chance he'll move.
But, yeah, he got really desperate then and without Cody, he'd be a pancake. It's almost interesting that he started off that way, still being hard after what happened to the season finale. It seems like since then he's kind of been stripped of his rank a bit and demoted and stuff yes. Since his failure with the you mean Crosshair, right, crosshair, yes. At the end of last season with his failure, I guess, to deal with his old counter units. Yeah, that, I think, kind of didn't help.
Right? That's kind of why they say at the beginning, like, oh, no, you're not ready to lead a squad yet. We're going to assign you to I forget Cody's number, but of course they don't use the names because the Empire but yeah, that was excellent. Nice work. You got it up on Wikipedia, don't you? No, I remember that from the episode because they specifically said it. Really? I'm impressed. I'm impressed. You ask me tomorrow. I probably won't remember though, because I watched it like 4 hours ago.
Yeah. Blake, do you remember Mina Bontari? Recognize the name? Lux bontari's, mother. Okay, yeah, because I know Lux, so yeah, this would have been one of the governors that was in the Councilor chambers. They're dealing with duku. And then Soca showed up. Yeah, she was a Separatist senator and Mina Bon Terry was a friend of Padma's, and there was a Clone Wars art called I think it was called Heroes on Both Sides. Both Sides, yeah, I think that's the right one.
Yeah. Yeah. It was a season three episode, and it had a Soca and Padme journey to raxes, which is the Separatist homeworld, which we did see in the first season of The Bad Batch. And I think it was Raxits or at least or somewhere.
But, yeah, they were able to get a shuttle there and kind of smuggle themselves in, sort of thing and meet up with Meena Monterey, who was hoping to work with Padme to kind of come up with some way of presenting a peace treaty to each of their own respective governments.
And it turns out that the Governor, who we see in this episode is actually well, she was, because now Minimi has been killed, but she's an old friend of Mina Bon Terry's, and she was actually part of that arrangement, which we didn't see, of course. But here a Bad Batch episode comes, following up Clone Wars episode from season three of all times, which I thought was pretty nuts because I didn't think we would ever get follow ups to arcs like that. Right. They just seem so resolved and complete.
But here we are getting new perspectives on things in the Bad Batch, like it has been doing for its whole existence so far. It's been great. I think we talked about this a bit last week as well, is we're kind of figuring out what happened to the Separatist planets, because I think I had remarked on it seemed like they had all been bombarded orbitally. They basically just nuked the planets. But now we're finding out some of them are just being forced under the rule of the Empire.
Almost like Rome. Yeah, exactly. Yes. And all of them were hit hard. But, yeah, some of them definitely kind of being forced and also just some of the independent systems, because Desex is an independent system, and they made that pretty clear at the beginning of the episode. So for the Empire to just come in, we just finished talking about Andor not too many weeks ago, and the same thing happens there.
The corporate authority kind of comes in with, well, I guess guns ablazing and causes some trouble, and the Empire kind of steps in and goes, hey, you're not fit to, I guess, govern or police this sector. So the ISP the empire. We're going to take it from here. You're all fired. So, you know, it's just like the Empire is as we see it over the next 15 to 20 years, constantly expanding, you know, and and in a way in which we get to Star Wars Rebels much later on in the timeline.
And the Empire comes in to Lothal and does the exact same thing. They burn people's farms, they start up work camps, they take over the city, they take over buildings. The people in power there either work with the Empire or they're executed. And it's just a pattern, one after the next after the next. All these different places, independent or not, they either get enveloped in the Empire or they burn for not joining.
So it's good that we see this happening in so many different, like, obviously and or approached us so differently to how the bad batch and then the rebels approached each one. But it's good to say there's been a consistency with what the Empire does across the time period, across different shows. Yeah, absolutely. Cody tries to make peace with the Governor. He's clearly regretful of all the killing that's happened in the previous three years.
And Crosshair ends up following the orders to kill the Governor instead and breaks Cody's offer to keep the peace. And I just thought that scene was like, really well done. The whole thing that played out. It just played out as expected, but also a bit of surprise when Crosshair pulls the trigger. I thought that was pretty interesting. I mean, it was a surprise that it wasn't a surprise exactly. Yeah, that's exactly what I'm trying to say. Yeah, it was a surprise, but not a surprise, I'd say.
Oh, sorry. Go ahead, Kirk. No, I was just going to say I feel like it was more of a surprise given that Cody just saved Crosshair's life and Crosshair just like, begged for his life for the first time. Without that, like, it wouldn't have wouldn't have been a surprise to me at all, but for me it was slightly a surprise just because of what happened, like, literally like 15 seconds ago. Yeah, that's a great point. Yeah.
Because I think that's supposed to be the curveball, right? It's kind of, I don't know, not common that a regular reg saved one of the members of Clone Force 99, which is I guess we think of them as like these invincible clones, but they're really not. They just have these abilities and yeah, really showed his weak spot, to quote down from fast. Appears we all go to weak spot. Just old habits, I guess, really is what it comes down to.
Yeah. What surprised me, I would say, though, is that it seems like that must have been the final straw for Cody, because at that point he bailed when on the run. Yeah, exactly. That was the last draw, I think, and this came up during andor as well. What does it take for someone to be a rebel? How many things does the Empire have to do until someone hits their breaking point? And that was Cody's. Like, he'd been through enough.
And it's been over a year, I think since or around a year since Revenge of the Sith kind of took place. And I guess Cody has just kind of gone through enough stuff, enough garbage, that this was just the last straw. And he's like, you know what? I'm done. I'm putting down the blaster and I'm walking away because this isn't right. So the occupation of Desex begins, the Empire arrives. They're going to set up work camps, most likely just like Lothal, just like many other planets.
And we see the TKS, the stormtroopers coming in wave after wave, right after all the clones leave and the TKS are there to kind of keep watch of the people and keep the Empire's order intact on that planet. And you see the big looming Star Destroyer in the sky. And to me, it just felt so much like some of the stuff that we saw in previous Star Wars shows and very much a reflection of the past dying. Like the clones do their stuff, they leave and then inswarms the Empire and they're there.
Yeah, it's interesting. Hey, they use the clones, the trained soldiers come in and do all the work and then the stormtroopers come in and they just basically act as security to make sure everyone knows they're being watched all the time. I'm not step out of line exactly. Yeah, it's a bit like Tatooine left alone and not really managed for quite some time. And then all of a sudden, boom.
Now there's stormtroopers all over the place and, yeah, they're looking for someone, but now it's like they've occupied that world and more closely. And I think they're now kind of keeping a much greater watch on the place. Right.
Which, you know, by the time we get to A New Hope, all the way from Revenge of the Sith 19 years later to A New Hope, like the Empire has just expanded to the Outer Rim, and it's kind of reached that point of smothering everyone in every world that they could possibly reach. And that's when we get that moment where they finally fight back and blow up the Death Star. But, yeah, Cody tells Crosshair the decisions they make matter, and it's why they're different than droids.
It's not about the orders, it's about being a good soldier by doing what's right. And he asks cross air, like, is the Empire making the galaxy a better place? And maybe, like, each of you guys will start with Kirk, like, what did you think about this scene, what he says, and yeah, just the whole moment that it played out there. Yeah, I feel like this was a real clear indication of what the purpose is of the Bad Batch show.
It's not just to show a group of unordinary clones running around doing brute force stuff. This is really like the underpinning of the whole show.
What is the purpose of the clones and what is right and wrong from their perspective? Obviously, we've seen the perspective of I mean, andor has really brought us into a whole new light now, but before, andor it was really through the perspective of the Jedi and everything, and now I feel like we get an even different perspective, but purely from the clones and even the Clone Wars, like a. Lot of it was about the Jedi. And we did get a lot of brief moments with the clones.
One of my favorite arcs, I've completely forgotten them. I think it's the Krell arc where they fought against him was a really good showcase of that. But I think that it was almost like a reminder for the audience, like this is what the show is about, this is what we're trying to showcase between what is right and wrong from the clones perspective and obviously how they're dealing with everything.
So obviously I think that we're going to see more and more clones throughout this show defect and hear their reasoning and everything behind it, which I think is a great thing because it gets us a bit more of a deeper connection to understanding what the clones are about and how they're thinking and everything. And obviously I do sided with Cody over Crosshair because Crosshair is delusional.
What about you, Blake? Yeah, I think Kirk is spot on and I hope they do focus more in on that because I've always found to be very interesting. And I know that the EU, they realized they had worked themselves into the same problem. We brought this up before, quite a while back when we first talked about brain chips and stuff, because that was in the end, the solution they went with.
But in the original EU, what they did towards the end of the Clone Wars, as the more veteran clones that were friends with the Jedi all died off, they replaced them with these like I think they were cloned faster and their growth enhancement was even faster. So they aged very quickly and they trained them poorly, but to really follow orders really well. And those were the clones that actually turned on the Jedi as opposed to the ones that we know.
Interesting, but altogether, it still leaves this issue where the transition into the Empire with the stormtroopers and the clones, how they are going to receive basically becoming the bad guys. Because the excuse in the EU was these were these quickly trained, released submissive clones that were just there to follow orders because they used the brain chip instead in canon. They still have that hole to these moral characters and clones.
They're going through that transition into the Empire from the Republic. I agree. Yeah, and it's such a cool transition to see as well, because in the EU, right, it's never really been as consistent as the canon as far as what exactly is going on. And the bad batch is now that new chapter that they're finally filling that in. Yeah, I guess we were kind of left at the end of the Cold Wars series when the brain chips kicked in. It seemed like they were active all the time.
Once they were activated, they were just in kill Jedi mode and just take orders. But as we've seen, that only activates for while Jedi are in their presence. Yeah, it's true. While Jedi are in their presence. And if the order is activated, because in the Vader comic, did you read the Dark Lord of the Sith Darth Vader comic series? I did. It a long time. At least the issue you're talking about, I know you're referring to there's a Jedi attack Vader, I think.
Yeah, there's a Jedi that figures it out. And when Vader is hunting a Jedi at this point, this is like probably around the same time as the bad batch taking place, like the first season, that is. And Vader is hunting down a Jedi with some clones, and when this guy, he's like or maybe it was an Inquisitor. I forget, actually, sorry. I think it was an Inquisitor.
And this Jedi has essentially figured out what triggers them, right? So when this Inquisitor is kind of fighting him and he's kind of pinned against the wall, he kind of just has this little moment where he reveals what he's discovered and he actually gives the order. He says to the clones, like, Execute Order 66. And these clones start firing on both of them, like the Inquisitor and him, because in their eyes, they're Force users, they have to die. Right.
So it's very interesting, and it kind of makes me wonder what made them not turn on Attic, I guess, right? Yeah. Was there something in the code that just prevented them from funny, because all these I can't say I'm surprised, but by going with the brain chip excuse, it does create a lot of these weird plot holes. Whereas clunky's idea was with the old Sub clones, it didn't create as many issues like this. Right.
As far as their disappearance from the series goes, I do like what the Bad badge is doing, where they are kind of making it a thing of, like, post kind of remorse for this nightmare that they had to act and live out along with the oppression of the Empire. And they just don't care about the clones anymore. Not to mention they canceled all the orders for future clone units. So there was that as well, the implementation of all the Tk units.
There's like a series of events that are all kind of very obviously being phased out, and the clones themselves don't feel comfortable with what they're doing anymore. Yeah. So it makes sense that there's really no reason for them to stick around.
No. And it's all leading up to that point, which is about nine years later, once this season takes place, about nine years later in Obi Wan Kenobi, when we see that clone sitting on the streets in that world that Obiwan goes to try and rescue Leia, they have that really cool cameo with that 501st clone in it. 501st one, yeah. And it's like, whoa, let me throw this out there.
Do you think tensions will get high enough that there'll actually be a small civil war between tk units and Glen troopers, for sure. I think that'd be awesome to see. I think so, too. That was kind of dawned on me. Now, maybe that's what they're going to lead up to.
That's a great thing because it's almost like that's signed to be suggested because I don't know that the admiral's name, but when Crosshair was speaking to the admiral, he was like the admiral was like to cross hair something along the lines that so you clones are supposed to be taking orders and following orders and that most are highly efficient units. And he almost suggested that there's been arguments within the Empire to get rid of the clones or whether to keep them.
And he kind of suggested that, hey, clones are used to becoming more and more useless now, and he's in more support of storm troopers taking over. And I remember right at the start of the episode, too, one of the clones at the cafeteria, they mentioned something along the lines of, oh, I hope they don't pass that bill today because it's going to be bad for us.
So I really feel like that's a suggestion to something else, because I think that bill had something to do with the Clone Reduction Act or something along those lines. Right, yeah, that's a great point.
Just a constant reminder that the clones are being forced out, right? And even a rampart, even the Imperial guy that Crosshair talks to, he kind of says to him when he comes into his office, he's like, why are you back? If we let you stranded on Camino for over a month, why did you show up again? And then Crosshair kind of gives his reasoning for being, like an Imperial loyalist, right? And he doesn't really think much of it, this rampart guy. He's like okay, well, whatever. Here's your mission.
See you. He's like, all right. He doesn't care anymore. He doesn't care about the clones. No one else cares about the clones as far as Imperials go. And the only person who thinks he's still making a difference in the galaxy is Crosshair. Really, all the clones are just kind of like, well, this is what we were born to do. What else are we going to do? And then there's some people like Cody, which is just like, I don't know what I'm going to do, but I've had enough, so I'm out of here.
So it's very interesting to see the fragmentation of what's going to happen with all these millions of people that were bred for one purpose, you know, where do they all go from here? Kind of thing. Well, yeah, it's funny. It's another e. This is a different story altogether. This is with the commando novels.
If you remember, the Commandos specifically were trained to be a lot more mandalorian in nature, taking after Django, and after the Empire was formed, they started taking in a lot of defectors into a camp. I guess they had set up. They were hiding out on Mandalore. Yeah, that's a great point. My theory is that maybe something like that might happen.
I mean, I also kind of wonder how Rex, Wolf and Gregor end up back in the service of the Empire again, because they have to submit some sort of like this is a little bit of spoiler for Star Wars Rebels, but they have to submit a report. Like, when we meet those characters again, they have to tell the Empire that the dust ball that they're currently chilling on is all clear of, like, rebel activity and whatever else. They have to just kind of send the green light all the time.
Yeah, I'm wondering that too. It just makes me wonder, like, Rex is currently not in the service of the Empire. He's currently laying low. People have gone AWOL. Like, what the heck would drive him to go back voluntarily, if anything? Or what would have him be forced back into the fold, I guess. Or maybe it's his choice to be there and he's actually reporting information to Bail Oregona or something like that.
Who knows? But I'd like to see that story kind of play out as well, which hopefully we get answers to that in the Bad batch as well. But yeah, this has been a great show. Did you guys have any kind of, like, last minute things you want to bring up before we wrap it up today? You got a government blake maybe this might be too long winded, I don't know.
But I was wondering, Josh, does the wall that we see Cody and Crosshair meet in front of and then Crosshairs in front of again at the end? And there's all these names, and I assume their names in Arabesh. I'm wondering, did you bother figuring out what that is? Are those like, clone names? What are those? Yeah, so I was able to just while I was watching it, I was trying to translate some of them in my head and they were just gibberish.
It was just a bunch of random kind of letters, like, all trying to get it. I assume there are supposed to be names. I would imagine if they were names, they're probably names of notable cloned captains or commanders or whatever. I don't know if that's 100% the case. I assume camino right, yeah. Wherever they are, actually, what planet are they on? That's on correspond yeah, on the on corusa the barracks. The clone barracks. We've seen it before, actually, I think in the Long Tails of the Jedi.
Actually, it made its most recent appearance. It was where Jasoka first kind of started training with the clones in the kind of montage. Yeah, we've also seen it before in the final seasons of the Clone Awards, I think it was around the same time in whichoka was framed for the bombing situation.
It has showed up before, but yeah, that mural thing, that big wall with all the names on that's new to me, and I assume it's not Jedi, so it doesn't seem like it's Jedi not yeah, but that's a great one to bring up. Yeah, I think that one's it's probably safe to say that those are CT numbers or clones, but I don't know, maybe it was too much funny.
It would be funny if it was just they just went like a random number generator, Star Wars name and then just translated them all to Armage, put them on the wall. That's the thing. They weren't even numbers. So I'm just a little confused. I think even that was too much work for whoever was in charge of doing the wall.
So I'm not trying to throw them under the bus or anything, but at the same time, I was a little confused, too, because I'm like I just don't know what that is, because when Cody asks the Crosshair, but are we really making the galaxy a better place? He's, like, looking at that wall as if his question has something to do with those names on the wall. Right. Yeah. There's remorse in his words there. That's what I assumed it was. I assumed it was all the brothers. Right? Yeah.
Kirk, any last minute things here? Yeah, I mentioned it probably before we started the show, but I think the Clone Wars art style continues to prove to be really good looking. I love the look of this show, and obviously, because there's no live action stuff and they've really perfected the style of the Clone Wars. I think I mentioned this at the start of the Tales of the Jedi series that we're doing, but yeah, every thought shot is just like a painting.
Like, you could just take a screenshot of most of the shots from this episode in particular, especially the outside ones on the planet, and frame it. They've done a great job. They're gorgeous. I totally agree. What's funny is I was watching this with my wife and her only complaint was about the textures. What's the texture? Yeah. It was specifically the scene in the beginning when Crosshairs trying to eat his lunch.
She's like, I can't tell the difference between that chicken, the chicken breast and the bowl. Yeah. The texture is really specific. Yeah. It's really detailed and really, like, sharp and everything. I think that's just chosen to do it that way. They look like moving paintings. Yeah, they do. Moving hand painted. Yeah. The textures all have this very, I guess real kind of I don't know if you actually held up a real chicken wing next to it.
Like, what are you eating? It's like, okay, that doesn't look anything like it, but I think it conveys the message. Right. It conveys the idea as to what it is. And it's not just a simple, solid color. Yeah. Well, that being said, I'm told it was a chicken, but it does look like a potato. Is there even chicken in Star Wars. This blows my mind, actually. I never even thought about that. Bad Batch season two, episode three, rating one out of ten. Because the chicken doesn't look like chicken.
Chicken looks too much like a potato. Those are the kind of comments you find on Reddit. This episode sucks because there's no chicken in Star Wars. I'm looking forward to the Lego set in which we get a little Lego chicken drumstick. Yeah. A little chicken breast crust. It'll be chicken confirmed. Yeah, exactly. Cool. Well, guys, thank you so much for coming back on the podcast again, and I guess we'll catch you guys in the next one. Thank you. We'll see you out there. Keep flying.
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