DS9 s4e7 "Starship Down"

Podcast, The Final Frontier. These are the Yeah. Has watched before. Uh hey everybody. Welcome. Star Trek the Next Conversation, the best podcast in the history of all podcasts. I'm Matt. I'm Andy. And I'm just making a fool of myself doing what I'm doing here. You and me both. Hoo kidokies Starship down Or as I like to call it, that episode of TNG we all already saw with two of the same main characters. What was that? Picard's Picard's trapped in the turbo lift with kids.

Uh Oh well that's dwarfs. Gracias. Wharf's delivering Keiko's baby. Chief O'Brien's baby. Chief O'Brien's stuck on the bridge. They think everyone's dead down in the engineering section. Oh yeah. Oh, this is very different. This is very different. Can't say that because there's people trapped in a turbo lift that it's Nobody's even trapped in a turbo lift in this one. They're in the hall. if that would substitute uh yeah, Dax and uh Or in the corridor.

By the way, look, I like I like both episodes, so you know. Yeah. I'm not faulting it. Sure. Andy. Would you have them watch this episode? Thank you. Yes, I enjoyed it. Matt, would you have that? Yeah. The lean into the hearts as far. Uh to pole time. Perfect.

Yes, it's the Tapolls. We're talking rejoined. Which was uh Dax uh Dax's ex husband or wife, uh comes back. In a different also a drill. The Symbiotes X comes back but also the symbiote sex right hang on. I have a question. Yeah. I don't even remember now. Were they both Were they married as previous hosts? Like were they both previous hosts? What Or was the Seriously. Like Jad Z uh. They were not married as these hosts, if that's your question.

But I'm wondering if if the other party was married as a pr no I gu okay. So I guess it's a Mm-hmm. It was just the symbiots that were married. uh g uh but in hosts, obviously. In oh well they weren't just worms that were kissing. Well, you never know. Worms can kiss. I've seen worms kiss. That's true. You know what? That's that's not fair. That's not fair on my part. Worms love each other. Uh I'm curious. How it falls away. What if it's just the symbionts? They were like Ghost.

I don't want to be with this thing. Uh you don't have arms. How are we gonna make breakfast? Yeah. We'll just eat the mud we live in. Um what was the oh the the the to poles. Um so it was rejoined. Season four, episode five. Uh Matt, what is your prediction on what we did? L let me just set it up for you. Yeah. it's uh big episode dealing, you know, it's kind of it's kind of an L L G kind of issues. It's kind of groundbreaking. For the time.

Okay. Sure. Wait, s how does that affect us what we said about it? Maybe it doesn't. Aren't I supposed to tell you what I think we gave it? Gracias. Ha ha ha. Yeah. Uh Um I'm gonna go four and a half. Uh it's pretty close. You g we you gave it collectively a four point eight seven five Thank you. Aha. I gave it a six two five. You gave it a three five. You went very low. Uh huh. Oh yeah. Why did I not like this one? Well I don't even remember. I don't even remember. Very dumb. Pacing.

I remember correctly. It's very dumb. I think that was the thing. And I'm watching like I'm watching like two people explore relationships that they didn't even have. Right. Like I'm like, what am I doing here? I don't even want to be here right now. Right. Show me show me the starship. This is this is gonna be very interesting in these in these comments. So the IMDB, what did the IMDb give it? Outside in the world.

Uh I'll say they gave it a six, give it a Ron more bump. I'll go with a seven point seven five. Seven, seven even. Yeah. Oh. So the Ryanor bump didn't go for the full point and a half like I thought it did. Okay. Good thought though. Patreon. Yeah. The crew. Uh Patreon gave it a Thank you. That's a good question also. Yeah. six point five? Six one, pretty close. And twenty eight percent voted for seven, so Amen. Okay.

Um which was interesting. Uh that's it for that. Uh we can now enter. the um president circle. Did I watch the wrong episode of the Deep Space Nine? Starship down? No, we talked about Star Trek. Okay. Yeah, I'm not crazy. All right. Yeah. You would have been like, No, no, that didn't happen. Ha ha. Yes, we're recording tomorrow. Uh Mm. Okay, yes, thank you. We're gonna go ahead and head to the Admiral's Club. Thank God. Matt, how did I get into the Admiral's Club?

Just leave a five star review of this podcast wherever you think someone might see it. Doesn't have to be on a podcast platform, it could be um spray painted across your favorite concrete wall. Um as long as you give us five stars. Uh I s I I w looked upon as I was pulling more from iTunes, which I haven't done in a bit. It could be written on a bullet in a false flag attack. Just write TNC five stars.

Um and uh and it was it was very scathing, which I could read to you if you want, but it was just like hmm, how is this five? Oh, this is one star. There's so few one star Is this the second time you did this? Could be. Or is it like you you carried it over? No, it might it's probably the it's probably the same one that I read last time. Which was part of a problem, is that like when I go back then I'm like, okay, which ones have I read? Anywho, um

You know, we don't always have to welcome people in. We can just tell people how to get here if they'd like to find us. You know what I mean? Like if you don't I don't need you to you know to scrape the bottom of reviews to welcome people into this. No, there's there's That good seafood too. It's an organizational issue. It's not running out of reviews issue. It's it's that I I'm like, Oh, I forgot and then I went back and then now I have to figure out which ones that I did and I didn't do. Um

Someone who cannot organize a single thing in their life, I understand. Right. So, uh this one says, Dear Matt and Andy, long time, first time, I absolutely love the show, been with you for a long time. Your show helped me survive my dissertation a couple of years ago. Here's my entry into the Admirals Club. a review of a hotel located outside of Cincinnati, Ohio.

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Uh Radisson, three out of five. Star Trek TNC, five out of five. And that was from Jason Delphing. Delphing? Uh uh PhD professor of music education. Then we have one from iTunes. It says easily the best podcast in the history of podcast period, bar none. Yeah, of course. Thank you. I agree. From ZF Dub who says, I recently have discovered TNC, uh well, unfortunately having far too much time on my hands, not not the stick song.

due to some medical issues I've been passing the time, uh, by binge watching Deep Space Nine and Next Generation. While doing so I have been listening to Next Conversation after each episode. The banter is hilarious, and the um Professionalism and dedication to detail and quality is a useful diversion from the anhedonic melancholy I find myself in. I have much to catch up on. I have yet to sign up for Patreons. Sorry guys, it's Kevin. Uh but I do.

But I do miss the School of Very Specific Acting and the Frank Sinatra updates. Anywho, I would check the Apple Podcast rankings for most downloaded or listened to and highest reviewed, but almost assuredly they would be wrong. Uh these soulless minions of orthodoxy, a reference from season five, episode twenty five of DS nine, do not understand the perfection that is the next conversation. Keep up the great work, Matt and Andy, ten out of ten. I will uh tell everyone to swipe right. Yeah.

That's nice. They're gonna go out on a date with us. Um and lastly, TNC is from Baron Neutron. Great name. TNC is the best podcast ever in the history of All podcasts, up to and including podcasts that may run much smoother than this one with hosts who know exactly what order their show goes in. They're still better than that. Five stars. Um, I will also say, Matt, it's me now I'm talking to Dandy.

uh that uh I said president circle and I was wrong and then you either consciously or unconsciously corrected me and went to to Admiral's club. So thank you for that. That was just some good old fashioned muscle memory kicking in, nothing more. It wasn't a conscious thing. It was not uh like the the the Executive functioning part of my brain that did that? No, no, no. It was it was fight or flight. That was that was the part that kicked it. All right. Segment, I've got to hit a button.

Hey Hm, gotta hit a button again. I mean gotta walk towards this large door.

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I asked everyone to be possessed by my past lives. The serial killer almost choked me out, and Kurzan didn't want to leave Odo. But other than that, no interference at all. Uh Um Let's I've just you know let's try that again. I just want to hear what it would sound like with the throne room music from Star Wars, like when you're handing out this metal. Yeah. Going to read the thing again or skip to the next one. Who else gets it? David under the ready room table and

Nice one David. Says if I had any I can't believe it took us this long to This is this really adds energy. Much needed fifteen minutes into the pod. David uh says if I had any self-doubt about Matt's d neurodivergence, I think the ice cube size comment confirms it for me. Do you remember? No, I need the ice cube to be this. I don't want the coffee bean in Tea Leaf Ice Gear, but fits in the straw. Pass Good to see you all, thank you. Yes. Explain a lot.

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Look, if the AI can fucking ingest it and use it for whatever it wants, why can't we? Oh my god. Those Sora videos, I am just I think they're so funny. Some of them are so fucking funny. But doesn't this cause you I will tell you I've had it sneaking for a while. I've given up. Yeah. Because I've had there's obviously been a lot of anxiety that we all have I'm sure had about various aspects of the modern world.

um that are approaching the uh the Star Trek era for World War Three. Just remember that guys. We're gonna have World War Three and then we'll have Star Trek. It's gonna be great. But anyway One of the things that's given me the most anxiety as a person who was interested in creating things was watching these Sora videos because they seem to have corrected some of the comedic timing issues. And I was like, Do you have a favorite one? Do you have one that really got ya?

Uh I only uh mostly watched some of the Michael Jackson ones. Um I'm trying to remember. I think him and the he was in a grocery store and he was Running around being Michael Jackson. Here's the here's the one that got me um Uh how do I get this to load correctly so you can see it? Obviously it's standing on the backs of us humans, one should underline from our creations in the first place. This killed me. Okay. Ready? Mm-hmm. Uh reload it so you can see from the very beginning.

I think I've seen this one. Yeah. Oh no, I haven't seen this one. Stephen Hawking. Stephen Hawking is being lowered into the ring on a forklift! This is the real Tolley entire arena. He comes off the lift! Come on, kill him! Believe what I'm saying! Stephen Hawking is being lowered into the ring on a foreclast. This is surreal, Tolia title Renault.

See that one's much that one's much better because then it's not I mean, I don't know, it's a good question. Is it punching down? I don't think that is punching down because he wins the fight. There was one where it was him and uh Also he has probably the Epstein files, so it's fine. Really? Yeah. Is that true? I didn't know that. Look, here's what I'm saying. I'm just saying everybody's in there, okay? Hmm. But wait, is that just a theory or is that a rumor? Is that just your theory?

No, it is not just my own. I was just like that is a that is a f hard thing that just He was a cab, you know that. I know that. I know he was a ladies' man, but uh nonetheless. Oh This one also got me. Speaking of what you're speaking of, this one really cracked me up. Again, wrestling related. Is this what this podcast is going to be? Be soon. Come into the ring. Helen Keller. Keller just made WWE history.

That one feels more like punching down to me. The other one for some reason doesn't. Because this one is just the only joke is that it's Helen Keller. So I don't know. I don't know. That is the I would suggest that that was problematic, AI. I think that you're uh out of line, robot. Yeah. Wow. Wow. That's rude to say. You know, it's not like the AI is generating it without a prompt. That is fair. That is fair. Yeah. Nellike just decided to put these two incongruous things together.

Matt, as always, on the side of the robots. I mean, you know, just so I know who's gonna hear this. This one was good too. Yeah. Here he goes. Rolling. Smooth out of the gate. Great speed. Huge off the table. He's flying. Look at the distance meter. Just Stephen Hawking winning the ski jump and the money. I'm reviewing these aesthetically, it's not as funny because he just looks like a guy in the sled. He doesn't look like a guy. You Yeah.

Bro, whoever did it, go back and say, Hey, can you make the the s the the sort of sled parts, put those on the bottom of the chair. Don't have them just be in the sled. Mm. Interesting. So okay, I have faith again that maybe they still need humans. Um thank you, Matt, for taking me on that show. You're welcome. Uh did you open the priority one messages? I don't remember. Mm. Probably didn't, uh to be honest with you. Well let's reopen them and just reach my arm into this. I guess it wouldn't be.

Message from Starflick. coming in on Secured Channel. These are probably on a console. Amos Hap says apologies uh for the he has a lot of live reactions. Um

Excuse me. Uh I am very surprised that so far there has been zero acknowledgement of the clear metaphor of the episode. Just as half the black and white uh face guys uh as the half black and white face guys from T O S are a heavy handed way of discussing racial prejudice. This supposed trill taboo is incontr uh incontrovertibly about LGBTQ uh

Uh plus pract uh prejudice. It's actually kind of adorable that the captain seemed blind to this. They apparently so steeped in the woke mind virus that they don't even register that there are two women in romantic love. Are we adorable also for just l letting that slip by us?'Cause that That's Yeah. W we that we are blind. He's saying that we're door we're the captains in this metaphor. Yeah.

Um maybe they'll mention it in the last fifteen minutes, but so far the crucial uh quality message of aspect of this of what this episode is glaringly about seems to have sailed past our beloved nerd hosts. Never change. Um I don't have we have a lot of other we have a lot of other comments that are in regards to this. I think what's interesting about that comment is that it is So Amen. It's such a given. Right.

That my brain was just like, Yeah, yeah, and let's watch the episode for what this is. I think I think we both clearly I think that I might have mentioned Ellen and where it rested in the in the timeline. Like Ellen kissing um Uh Laura Dern, but uh Laura Dern, I think. Uh Huh Was it Laura Linny? I feel like it might have been Laura Linny. Laura Lenny probably would have been a better casting choice, but it was Yeah. It should have been Laura Litty.

That was the problem. That was the reason she did this the series didn't survive. They didn't have her kiss the right lady. Um whatever the case. Um so I remember mentioning that and sort of going, Oh well let's That's you know, whatever, and like it being somewhere in my head. But the truth is I had the same thing Matt had, and it is uh at once.

It's both um one might argue very positive, and it's great that that's where our minds are. That it's just like, yeah, this well, okay. That's not that's not on my radar. And it is also, as many of you said, and will complain soon, was just like, we're not really giving it the cre credit that it deserves at this moment in history for what it was presenting on television. Yeah. Um so that is So you know what's interesting about it?

What? We're just like eh, I don't know. I don't know about this episode. No no, I'm honest to God. Here's what it is. We're such nerds Yeah. That I literally Okay. Took this at face value. Like completely and utterly. Okay. Where I'm not thinking about the fact that these are two women. Right.

Like where who like so how does the what's the worm memory like? Like how does the the what is the is it gonna stay third person? Is it gonna go you know, we're just like into the minutiae of how these fake aliens work. We're not we don't care about the hosts. To the point that that was your opening question in this podcast. Like you're still thinking about it.

Um Yeah, it is funny that we were just into the nerd minutia. Certainly I was and always will be. Uh just like what how's it work? How did the drills work? But Uh it is funny that uh we are because we were at once both Yeah. being very hard uh on the episode from a writing perspective. We were being very persuady from a writing perspective and pacing and like, you know, well, story wise, blah, blah, blah. But also we were not going like They had a lot of hurdles they were working over.

Yeah. Yeah.

We're we're thinking about the B story with the artificial black holes being very dumb. Like Um okay. And what are they doing in there? They're making fake black holes. It's crazy. It is that is crazy. Like you can't Somebody was saying I think I said this already. Somebody was saying that this the synchronicity we keep hitting with like we watch one episode and then we watch another episode with the same prop or the same plot that that's just well, Star Trek repeats itself.

I I'm I look I don't understand probability, so you can argue it in another way, but I don't think the fact that there It's the birthday thing, right? A room of X amount of people, there's almost guaranteed to have two people at the same birthday in Yeah.

I feel like that science thing is like the same thing about particles affecting each other even though they're not like in the same place or connected. To me, that's something like that. Um Anywho, Great and Terrible Lizak says uh Uh Uh twenty three individuals. So you put twenty three individuals in a room and there's a fifty percent probability that there is a shared birthday in there. But that's isn't that just hardcore probability? Well that's just numbers with three hundred and sixty five.

I'm arguing that there's some other scientific Well I'm just saying there are three hundred and sixty five there's three hundred and sixty five plot elements in Star Trek. Bye. I don't know. We're putting twenty three of them in the same room. It just doesn't look. I'm an idiot, so feel free to

Tell me how I'm wrong. I d that just doesn't track to me because the things that have happened have been you can tell me all of the numbers of different eras of Star Trek episodes that we have to draw from. We watch one episode one day and then watch an episode the next time and it has the same prop. Weird off not ill uh uh uh not ever, as to my knowledge, ever used again, prop repurposed.

And I understand they repurpose a lot of ships and something in in Star Trek. But it's like well you know, if it's sort of ships that are constantly used, we don't really note it. Stuff like that stuff like the the uh The uh artificial wormhole. Like, is that used that much in Star Trek? Because these were two episodes we watched back to back.

That to me is another phenomena. That's what I would argue. Yeah. It also could be the way that we're choosing to watch it. It plays into the probability somehow. I don't know. Or like the timeline of how we did this. Um Anyway.

Gretel Lizek says uh this is a quote from me bland cardboard placard of a person is now joining quote bullshit nineties handsome as one of Andy's best dunks on Star Trek live. Uh I appreciate that, Lizak. Doctor Frazier Bateson uh says Wharf is now a bellboy. Got it. Uh too bad's point about what Worf is doing on there. And then Mr. Worfdorfel, Michael Dorndorf. Uh hell's us. Uh stunningly easy to imagine door liv delivering the line that restroom is for station employees only.

Uh KP Pants, VP, not the Vice President, says Every trill episode raises twice as many questions as it answers, but I like their doomed relationship. I like the desultory magic stuff despite how goofy and unworthy of callback it is. And I like how Bashir is no longer the biggest creep. The biggest creep will forever be Kurzon, and then Amos Hap. Yeah.

uh says uh two thoughts. I could not love the phrase your phrase desultory magic more. Uh and then also, with respect to the biggest creep, let's perhaps hold space for Quark and his approach to HR. Um fair enough. Uh Amos Hap who had a lot of thoughts this week also Uh, offered. Andy and Matt just griped about the fact that the resolution of the story was less predictable and trite than, quote, love interest tragically died, unquote. What?

W what? You wanted it less adult and more predictable? You actually acknowledge that this would be the standard expected ending, then complain they did something more novel and nuanced. What is happening? Um Uh and then he said another thought, so I'll just read this first. Uh just hit the part where Mac complains that they switch from third person to first person as though it was a razy writing move when it obviously is a very

Oh that's a literal question of like what are the trill what is the symbiote how often does the symbiote have control directly over the consciousness of the host? That was the question. Right. This is what I'm saying. Just comment out of here. It's dead to me. Alright, very good. Dead to me. Um Uh but uh regarding the first thing, Amos, um Uh

I think that's a valid thing. And I remember us talking about well, this is the predictable ending, but then, you know, and then us sort of No, it was it it wasn't that it was so that it it was so predictable. We weren't saying it was predictable. We were pitching another option that would have been a predictable ending that we've said, oh, that might have worked better. And just Yeah. Towards. The music, the towards the he die. Towards it die, towards the other symbiote host dying.

Yeah. Like that's a they were playing towards that. Yeah. Everything like the story, the uh inciting incident, the the the the resolution of uh surfing down a f uh a fucking force field. It was all heading that way. Uh-huh. And you're s and there and but it was but what was your feeling about it not landing that way? I feel like I asked you this question last episode. Because my thing I just thought it was like why not just just kill them?

Well I think this is the thing that he's he's saying is that like well aren't we saying that's pred the predictable ending? But I guess we're saying it's that's you're saying that we weren't saying it was predictable, we were saying that's where it seemed to be leaning. Yeah. Right. For me it's more

And this goes back to our larger sort of pacing and and and uh momentum issues. It just didn't feel like it had enough dramatic momentum as a show. So I think that's why we say things like Uh it's like Cliche would have raised the stakes and kind of allowed us to land. Instead they just they just discuss never seeing each other again. Right.

And so the argument that that many of these people have is uh these people being our beloved crew, is uh is that uh it's like yes, but that's the more These people. are our fans. Um that they're that the um that it's a more adult And it's like it is, but it kind of felt like it didn't have enough juice somehow. So You know, maybe that's just how it read for us, but uh

Um anyway. John Horner says to touch upon trill hosts and abilities. Andy, you mentioned if trill abilities passed on through down through di to different hosts, Jad Zia would have fared better against Worf when they were training. You forget, Worf won first place in the Batleth tournament. in TNG parallels. Uh so he is no slouch at hand to hand combat. So even if Dax's memory did translate directly to abilities, Wharf is still a very skilled fighter, I think. A fair point.

He also came in third place, if you remember. 'Cause it was p because it was parallels. So there was like well you know, he's All right. Yeah yeah. But he was like that was w one of his first tip offs was that he came in third place and he's like the fuck I didn't come in third place So funny. Uh It is not possible. Um Let's see. Uh So this is Yeah. You can play I'm sorry. I you I I'll read another yeah. Dear. I said there were there was stuff in uh Today's sounds. Um so you can

F find at your leisure. Um so this is the setup to Dicking in the drawer now.

No problem this is from Christopher. And he says, Hi Andy and Matt, I guess. Uh after several years Well laddie duh. You know what? Thanks for pretending to care. Okay? I think it was more Hi Andy, who will read this, definitely, and Matt, who may or may not read this. I think that's more of what Stop covering for them. It's clear they've all turned against me. I'm sorry guys, why don't you go to your room? I'll talk to your father. Amos

After several years I have finally gotten caught up to the current day and can finally send an email in. I could not ha handle sending this in to the void, hoping to be surprised in the future. Uh interesting. A lot of people enjoy that. Interesting. A lot of people enjoy that. Uh quitha Tedorok. Uh loved the pod, but figured I had to contribute something, as many of your other listeners have, so I thought I would help others who are maybe just finding out about the podcast.

but don't want to start at the beginning. So here's a previously on sound byte. that you can share with others. Note I have no skills with this sort of thing. I just used Python to take a random second from all two hundred and sixty six episodes in the main feed or Patreon, perhaps soon. He hasn't done a Patreon yet. Um, and put them together. I think this will give prospective pros prospective listeners uh a good idea of what to expect.

Laughing crying emoji. And this was from Christopher. So you can play previously on, uh, but just uh it's several minutes, so just choose yourself when you've Uh Andy's hurt his feelings. Um also so um Bowman. You know what? Pause He never Yeah. Yeah. As the building of the church Yeah. Anyway, and he took I think. 감사합니다. That upgrade doesn't come. Not gonna happen for him. No.

Uh we got a cup tar, which was a Okay, so that's early us. I'm gonna go to mid period us. Here we go. Um but like Into the Admiral's club. He's I don't know. Wait. Sorry, tune them out. And he went again. I sincerely hope they're not going to be able to do Yeah. Yeah. Well they went they didn't. After we question. It's a lot easier to Free Cloud. Picard season one, man. Uh Oh. That's where they go, uh put on costumes. And seven m and seven goes a murder in.

But he said he didn't take any from Patreon. We did the first season of Picard on the regular feed. She looks Hahaha Thank you. Pretty. I liked it. That's not true. I'm trying to like hear an episode, like see if I can hear which Star Trek episode we're talking about. This is m current Matt. Somebody factor that into the neurodivergence. The Keramit. And pretty That's not true. Ooh, that's not true. That was um that was Keiko. Is that when it's fake O'Brien? Fuck. Thank you.

Just a random Okeiko O'Brien argument. Yeah, one of their many? But that was that was in the T N G era. Let's go ba let's jump into the D S nine era. Or something. Uh that's it. So it wouldn't be fair for you to Yeah. So it's like I guess I'm not sure. Uh Jewished it up. Microcasm of the show. That's pretty accurate. I like that the show seemed to get no better. Yeah. Of course it got no better. Tuna melts get mentioned.

It got it didn't change. It's never changed. That is that is our credo. Our unintentional credo that you have as you have all assigned to us. One thing that's interesting to me is uh As as you were playing this, I thought to myself, Well, if this is the first first DNC podcast you've listened you're listening to, thank you for joining us. Goodbye forever. It's also your last. Thank you for having us.

Um, if somebody reminds me in the Patreon, I'll post this the it's in it in it its entirety in the Patreon. Um Uh other than that and thank you, Christopher, for working that. I might get in contact with you to help me to make Python do other things. I tried to do it on my own to to good to to process information from from uh from the Patreon and like set up the polls for me so I don't have to replug it in manually every time and I fail.

Um anywho. Nate S is a freakishly tall Ewok for Halloween. Oh that's a smart I gotta figure out. I think I think you just described a fucking Wookiee. I'm running out of options. for a Halloween costume that is not too intense. Oh you know what you should do? What? Not go anywhere and enjoy yourself at home. You don't address as anything. Matt. Come on.

I have said to you many times, the reason I am interested in going out and going to parties is because I am alone. I don't have a wife and child at home. You are the envy of every married father. I know. You're just never gonna be happy. That's that's that's what I can tell you. Well that I'm never going to be happy. That much I know. Uh every once in a while I will go to a party and it'll go really well and everybody'll love me. Ha ha ha.

And I'll go, that was great. What a great night. But those are few and far between. Uh Shark Carbuncle. Wait, I didn't read Natas Nate S's thing.

Uh we could have avoided a lot of drama if Jadzia had let Kurzon stay in O Odo's body uh in that one episode when we learn he's a super creep. Just saying. Um he's saying if basically you removed Kurzon from Jedzia. Hm. Is the bad influence is what we're saying. Maybe. Also, uh Nate says Cisco should have assigned all the visiting trill to share quarters. Uh quote, ask Jed Z about it. It's called a big step, bitches.

Shark Carbuncle says, You guys mentioned how much it stands out to have a bunch of Nounions running around this world. There's a bit of old track trivia. I think we have covered this, but uh Yes, that he that that Jor Gene Roddenberry has a memory like our own where he forgets how to spell Noonion and remembers serving in the military with somebody named Noon if I remember correctly. Correct. Correct. A fellow pilot in the Battle of uh Guadacanal.

And uh yeah, and he hoped to get it in. And and uh and you're right. It's just sort of like uh that's rattling around in my brain somewhere. Let's just call him Noone in. This'll be great for him. I haven't done this before. It's nice it's nice to know that Roddenberry is in some ways almost as dumb as us, even though mostly he's a hundred times more brilliant than us.

Justine, friend of Garrick, says the first scene really struck me as an excellent show don't tell moment. This is between uh uh Cisco and Dax, especially in comparison to Newtrack. Uh he calls her into his office, tells her this person is coming, and offers her time off. We don't know what it's about yet, but we can see the care and thoughtfulness Sisko has for her. It doesn't need a long explanation. Thank you. I agree. I would even argue, I think. Feel free to disagree with me, everyone.

That DS9 is the greatest example of this. I find, and that might be sometimes why Matt and I run into pacing issues with it. They're really subtle in a lot of interactions and dynamics and how they play them. They don't overstate a lot of things, which is

Pretty impressive impressive given that they have a captain or commander that is just as theatrical and hammy as almost all the other captains. And yet There's so many scenes where it's just underplayed and quiet and unspoken and it's pretty impressive. Matt you seem like you're not following.

Where Bacula sort of differs is that Bacula is not as hammy as the other? I kind of feel like part of the problem with Bacula is that he started Thank you. more understated just charming Bacula and then either because he was directed to or decided it, he was like, I gotta be like these other captains and then he amped it up, but then he's always playing that same like I'm the angry pacing captain I'm going at twelve. Right. I gotta be maybe you've caught some of the other treks.

Like a seven. Like a seven is fine. I gotta be like Um Robert McFadden, Vorta Blow Dealer says I think there was a there were B plots to this episode and it just so happened there was a B plot to this episode and it just so huh? And it just so happened to center around our dear Captain Cassidy. They never talked about her explicitly, but you could see it in their expressions that she was on everyone's minds.

Even the trail delegates were delegates were always all always thinking about her. Did you see the concern they had at that dinner party? And Jed Zia might have been kissing her ex, but she was thinking a Yates, this alone boost Sandy's Uh boost the endings of the episode to at least an eight, maybe a nine, but it takes a train die to catch it. You could r you should do a rematch. That's very funny. It is very funny. Good job, Robert.

Uh, Amos Hap says regarding Starbucks Starbucks, for what it's worth, I think there have been claims that they are disproportionately closing stores where union organizing was occurring. I hope that's not a good one. That makes total sense. Sure. Yeah. No, not a big corporation. They would do something like that. Thank you.

Jeremy Spector says in the vein of that Luke Skywalker scene, the most absurd quote fan service. This is when Christoph Waltz reveals himself as Blowfield to Daniel Craig's Bond. Some crazy man is torturing you. But the thing that he's most excited to tell you about is his mother's maiden name that has no meaning to anything happening. Oh yeah. Yeah.'Cause I definitely when I saw it I was like, What what is going on? Blo fell. You might as well just look at the camera and wink. Uh huh.

Uh is uh we don't we don't uh we shouldn't go too far down this. But just because I got ya, I got the bonding guy, what is your take on Kristoff while independent of the writing of him as Blowfield. Do you like him? Do you like that performance? Thank you. Um Or characterization. I guess characterization includes the writing, so it's tough. It's fine. It's fine. Yeah. Uh there's there's you know, there's so many different flavors of Blofeld anyway. Yeah. You know? That it's just like All right.

You know what my take is? Donald Pleasance was the best. Yeah, I kind of agree. Not Delhi Zavales? Uh no. Donald Pleasants was fantastic. But um but I almost feel like Yeah, put Christoph Waltz in it. Have him Christoph Waltz it up a little bit. Have him be a little bit more like that version of Blofeld where he's like a little bit too charming and a little bit like I kinda like this Blofield, this f this asshole. I kinda like him. Um David Kay.

says, Picture it, I'm ten years old, watching the episode with my dad, for the first time see two women women kiss. In confusion I ask him about it, and he has to explain the concept of homosexuality to me. As a result, I, a straight white boy from an extremely religious household, discovered that lesbians exist, change my life forever, ten out of ten.

Sante Mastriana says, I feel like some of the crew are disappointed with the middling ratings the boys gave this episode because it's an important episode in quote uh asterisk, real world history. But I suggest people should take heart.

as the quote unquote gay episode. Living thirty years in the future, it's actually a good thing that we don't give the episode extra points because of its positive portrayal of same sex relationship. None of the characters so much as Bat and I about the that aspect while keep still keeping the allegory intact with the trill cultural taboo surrounding reassociation.

I acknowledge that the dialogue in the show eases the audience into it a bit by being clear that it was a heterosexual relationship in the past, but I think that actually strengthens the normalization of the same sex relationship. Worm I think the worms are genderless. Are the people genderless? Are the hosts genderless? No. No no. I mean obviously they have a gender, but in terms of their perception are they gender? Like Yeah.

Have Trills as a people, both with Symbionts and without Symbionts, always been like, eh, it's all spectrum, whatever, we're all you know Oh I don't have no idea. I don't either. But the worms. Worms are definitely. They're probably just worms, you know? I wonder if it's like to kinda mix it, if it's the reverse of what I said at the top of the podcast, and the worms all they wanna do is get down with the other worm and they got these hosts in the way.

Like, all right, I'm gonna d I'm gonna do it then. I'll just I'll just have sex with this person. Um anyway, uh he continues the characters themselves see no difference even though

the nineteen ninety five audience might. So ultimately if we treat same sex relationship as a casual normal thing like the episode wants us to, then yeah, this episode is fine. It's not gonna set anyone's pants on fire unless they're particularly into the romance romance element, which to be fair, anti fair He very much was.

Uh John Zoo then adds, Can't speak for others, but for me it's about not it's about giving this episode extra points for being, quote, the gay it's not about giving this episode extra points for being, quote, the gay episode. But rather giving the writing credit for one, handling what was at the time a controversial topic in a sensitive and effective way, and two, doing it in such a way that the episode is not locked into being, quote, the gay episode, but can be just as relevant.

Thirty years later. When Stevie Wonder introduced Blowin' in the Wind at Bob's uh Bob Dylan's thirtieth anniversary concert, he described it as a song that unfortunately will last for for a long, long time because it will always be relevant to something that's happening in this world.

For me, the way the episode handles the theme of social taboo and ostracism over identity is along that same timeless vein, whether it's that's homosexuality in nineteen ninety five, trans identity in two thousand twenty five, or inter interracial relationships in nineteen sixty. eighteen sixty five. So to me the episode was doing the Star Trek social commentary thing in the best way possible. It's not preachy. Nowhere does anyone give up a car desk. They have rights speech.

It's organic, unlike the clunky way Disco handles Adira's I am a they dialogue, and it's still a relevant allegory for something in our society thirty years later. By the way, this episode is a seven or an eight for me, so I definitely wasn't looking for a nine or a ten for Matt and Andy, but I do think it deserves something better than Andy's begrudging six two five and Matt's three and boring. Uh Uh and I thought this was a really on point hail, John. Firing it up again, sorry.

Um because it is like it is interesting it is also an interesting question of like and I think I even stated at the end of it, like I'm Giving this a point based on my experience entertainment-wise of watching it. And given everything you're saying, it is. It's insanely for thinking and well crafted that they could build this allegory inside, to Matt's point of he's asking these questions about the symbionts, in a way where it fully works within the thing. And Star Trek

Uh particularly in New Trek. But even in the past, you point to the the black and white face guys, often will be just like, look, look at the point we're making. And the best ones are the ones where it's just like Oh, that was making a point, but also I really uh that's a great sci fi episode, so Mm-hmm. Um anywho. Uh

Timeship co pilot, I'm Goo Janeway, hails us. When this episode aired, there was a lot of controversy about an on air kiss between two women. My local station cut to commercial before the kissing scene, and many others did too. But that's what we tuned in for. No, Matt, no. Uh my local station cut to commercial before the kissing scene and many others did too. Uh it may seem out of place to you guys that trills are so backward about relationships with past spouses.

But what this episode's really about is having same sex relationships that was shameful, shameful to society and the show was trying to demonstrate the contrary. Uh people would choose to not be together because of what other people thought about them. Jed Z and Lenara had a parallel situation.

This is good track. Um And uh David S. adds, uh he was thinking the same thing and that this this week in Trek episode does it cover the atmosphere of same sex relationship except it's a where society was at and talks about the Ellen episode, which happened two years after this. Um so it wasn't gr pioneering or groundbreaking. Uh so yeah. Uh All fair points. That that com cutting the commercial before the kissing thing. is crazy, particularly given the issues of um Thank you.

of a censorship of And shows and people. How much how many more commercials can you really stick in there? Like was it a full thirty seconds? Like how long? That's my question. Was was there any attempt When they cut to commercial to make the cut seem natural? Like did they like play a music sting? Do they play like? Fanfare, horn fanfare, like in the uh K Zon episode. Um Someone comes on and go. We'll be right back. Probably. I wonder l wouldn't it be crazy if this was the first moment when

networks realized, oh wait, we can cram more commercials in. Because even in sitcoms it went from like twenty five minutes in the seventies to like whatever it is now. Eighteen minutes, nineteen minutes. Um

Any... way? Uh... Aaron Cahall also says listening to the episode it says one of his crew members may have been brought this up, but listening to the episode, I'm more convinced uh than ever that Curzon was a total piece of shit, so much so That's starting to make me think uh less this is something that occurred to me. Yeah, of Cisco that he was such good friends with Kurzon.

Every time Curson's name ki comes up, he gets an awful new trait added to his tab. He was a womanizer, including affairs with married women, a gambler or drunk, unsei unreasonably harsh on Trill initiates. The ones he didn't flunk because he was in love with them. Now in this episode we learn he was late to everything, small spoiler. But later we learn this is a spoiler if you don't want to read it.

Uh he died having sex on RISA, but uh he represented the Federation at the Kidamer Accords, so he was a great diplomat, in quotes. Uh he seems more like a letter scumbag coasting off the achievement of being in the room when when history happened. Sisko says, whatever sense of honor I may have today, he nurtured. Let's hope not. Uh Um yeah, this is something that has increasingly occurred to me. It's like Yeah. Uh huh. I don't know what their relationship was. To be honest with you.

I feel like Renee was playing In that episode, what Kurzon was in that episode, which was kind of a douchebag. But even that performance made me like Kurzan less. Like it was like, this guy seems like a total a-hole. Thank you. Mm. Um Garrick's Litigious Needle

says, Maybe it's because I love DS nine despite the flaws, and they're picking holes in it, but it feels like they're both watching DS nine like nerd bullies. Like they're meaner about performances and direction and more cynical about it. Um just wanna read. I this I don't know that it'll change anything that we're doing, but uh

It was uh something that made me think like, huh, are we I feel like and then other people actually said, Is it the world? Is it the pressure that the world is putting on them? And all of us. Like, is it what's going on? Um and I think that is an aspect, possibly, if not the world, then you know, my fears of the robots. Um Janeway's ancestors sorry, Janeway's ancestor

Sa which is very funny. Says um and he has two asterisks. Uh keeps clicking back hoping to see Tipole for cutest couple. I nominate Wesley and Ashley Judd. Luxana and Odo, Kiw and Va and Vosh Vosh Uh please rem remind me and I will put that up in the Patreon'cause I'm happy to put an endless list and then narrow it down. Um That's it for the priority one messages. Sure it is. It is. Um... I gotta leave this room.

I don't know why I can't open the door is an opening. The door's deciding that it shouldn't open.

Inhale. Uh all right. I loved this voice hail that was sent to us. Could you play Michelangelo? This is not me doing an accent. Hello, my Andy. Uh this is Michelangelo from Virginia. Uh long time listener, first time caller, always wanted to. You just Naomi Naomi'd him. You called him Michelangelo. It's Michelangelo. I somehow that I Yeah. What do they call it in Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles? And what is the guy called Michelangelo. It's what?

Michelangelo. Michelangelo, yeah. Mikey. That's his nickname. Maybe this is my accent, guys. Has it occurred to you that maybe this is just how I say things where I'm from? Yes, your specific block in Manhattan. Yeah. Uh this is Michelangelo from Virginia. Uh, long time listener, first time caller, always wanted to say that. I wanted to talk to you guys about the episode uh rejoin. I rather to share a story. That episode uh in uh October of nineteen ninety five.

My family had just arrived at this country in September of nineteen ninety five. Uh I was very young at the time when we turned twelve. We did not see that episode until the following summer, I believe, on ninety six, on a rerun. Uh Star Trek is one of the few things that uh my family will allow me to see. Six of us living in one apartment, so one T V.

But it was one of the few things that I was allowed to, you know, see just by myself. But this particular time we're watching this episode, my entire family is seeing it. and seeing this episode at the moment of the kiss, uh Thank you. Yeah. Uh sparked a discussion in my family about who was the man in the scene, meaning what was the male actor that was playing the female. Two women couldn't be kissing at the same time on television.

Amen. Of course we have at this point come from a society that was very homophobic and and uh the portrayal of a maybe depiction of a lesbian women was not a favorable one. So there they have this big discussion about, you know, Dax being the man, being the more managed looking one to them. I told them that I watch the show every day, uh, or every day or every week, and if anybody's gonna be the man it has to be the other one because I know that the actress is a woman that plays Dax.

It was my big sister who pointed out, Hey dummies. Wait. My father went uh told him, uh you mean the two characters are women and he said, No. Well yeah, the two characters are women but the two actresses are women too. That was followed by a long period of silence because to our new immigrant minds We never saw that there were two women playing. Thank you. This episode. This is very this This is funny. In the sense that like in my head they're having the n the discussion that we were having.

But not. Which which symbiote like we were like stuck in the minutia of the symbiote and which host this they were married to? Right. Because our brains were just like, all right, well let's just Yeah.

f figure th out the trill'cause they're f you know, the host I don't know what the host and what the what the symbiote is, uh contributing to whatever conversation they may be having. I kind of think it's very i funny To picture six people in an apartment watching the T V going, Well, which one of them's the man? But you understand. No, no, but th th one of these must be an ac the actor must be a man because otherwise I don't understand. Uh We finished. I'll try and share that with you guys.

Thank you. Uh, also I wanted to tell you that uh that to me feels like is uh our version of Kerb. She's like Horror. in the original series. So that's kinda like equated too. Well anyway. Uh hope you guys are doing a great job and as always go team pigeon double tape.

Thank you. Thank you. That is the most awkward thing in the history of all James Bond movies. Michelangelo gets it. You know Here's I'm gonna say this very this is my own personal conspiracy theory I've had. Yeah. about the Uhura Kirk Kiss since I was a child and since I was going to Star Trek conventions. They would often play the clip, you know, all these trailblazing moments at Trek, and I always was like They're not even fucking kissing.

They're turning away from camera, their lips aren't meeting. I thought it was real fucking uh chicken shit of them. To do it like that. Honest to God, when I was a kid I was like, They're not even fucking kissing. This is a stupid why are we holding this up as the greatest moment ever when we're s clearly turning our heads to camera so they don't see that our lips aren't meeting? Thank you. Like just an insult to what it was supposed to be. Mm. And uh I've had that in my head forever. Thank you.

Controversial take. Uh I think my memory is the same that it was sort of like almost not a full thing. I mean you could argue that it's also it's also uh as I remember that moment they're being mind controlled or body controlled to be forced to kiss, right? Yeah. So you could argue that is another element of like Yeah, but it's okay. They were being forced into it. Like that it's not a a you know, an adult thing. Right.

But what I'm saying is like the they don't even have the balls to kiss on television. Right. Well, Like it's just like look, look at it. You you tell me. You tell me if they're if they if the if Nishelle Nichols and William Shatner's lips ever meet. You tell me, okay? Maybe they didn't like each other. And I would hear your voice from all parts of the ship. Fate. I'm not afraid. Yeah. And his So I feel like it's supposed to be a little bit more than a little bit. Closer. Yeah.

His mouth is kind of open still and he's like look going like, Did we get him? Did we trick him? So it was also looking into the American family, going, Did we trick you? Really kiss. Yeah. I mean like it's it's suggested that the full on kiss is happening, you know, the in the part that's obscured by Uhura's head.

Yeah yeah, no no. That's that yes, they're trying to suggest it, but what I'm saying is they didn't have to But it's just like I guess I would I would point to the same problem that we had in this last episode, you and I where not the problem that you and I had, but the problem we're having now with the listeners, which is we are not giving any credit for how volatile it was at the time. And the fact that nobody had done it even anything even close to it up till then. But I accept that.

That would be like uh a normal, rational human being kissing somebody in a Make America Great Hat. That'd be crazy to see on television. Um Alright. Yeah. Let's see. Yeah. I I'm completely uh Flummixed. What was the thing? So we played Thank you. Your Fluvox that I blew the lid off Kiss Gate? Uh okay. What's the what's the second interracial kiss on television?'Cause that should get the credit. Whatever the second one is should get the credit. I'm looking it up.

They at least soften the ground, Matt. Come on, it's a they opened the door. Also They opened the door to people with half uh black, half white faces uh getting along and working it out, uh and showing the uh injustice uh between those two uh races.

Um Okay. This is entitled The Longest to Polls, and uh from uh Zachariah Seville, like the Cadillac. Says, Hi, hello Andy, and greetings, Matt. Wanted to chime in on the hails addressing the overly long polls section. during the indiscretion pod. I was recently driving back from my a wedding with my girlfriend who was kind enough to listen to yet another TNC episode after ten minutes of the DePolls, which involved a random rant about David Lynchhouse's

And uh for some reason she yelled, Are they still ranking the last episode? Uh, all I could muster in response was, Yeah, they tend to take their time. What can I say? I come for come for the trek, but I stay for the nonsense. Uh PS She has managed to watch the first season of TNG as a balance to all the real housewives she makes me watch. Think this one's a keeper. Um and then has a a a nerd glasses emoji. Love the pod, live long and prosper. Thank you, Zachary.

Yeah. And I and our apologies to uh whatever nice person uh he is making uh listen to us. Josh Thomas uh but this is this is the moment he wanted it announced on the pod. He's proposing to you Will you marry Zechariah? Yeah. If you do, you better kiss on camera. Yeah. All right. I'm making that up. Um hope we haven't caused a huge relationship problem for the other. Oh, that is that is you're that is you just fucking threw a Dax bomb at me. It's really small. Cassidy Yates is moving in.

I really just axed it up there. Ha ha ha. Um Josh Thomas says in the year twenty thir twenty thirty three or whenever TNC is doing the Alien Nation TV movies, uh I hope for someone I hope someone references the TV show options. uh debates in this episode. How about Man from Uncle? Uh I would love to watch Man from Uncle. That was great. Uh again, I would love to. Okay, now can you play uh a hail from my uh friend uh Drew, please. That's Drew One. What's up? Yeah. झाल झाल झाल Uh Matt.

Hi Matt, you don't know me. Um I just wanna know it is uh Eight twenty AM. I'm standing in Frontierland. In Disneyland. And I just had that. And um Holy crap. Worse. The ride. Oh good. I was really worried I was gonna because it's one of Andy's friends, you know, these kids are always sarcastic with their improv backgrounds. I was like, Oh, he's gonna mislead me and he's gonna hate it and I feel bad.

No. He was very he was very straightforward. But then I got a follow up one. Uh so could you play Drew Two? Amen. Andy what's up? So I left that. Disneyland Message. Yeah. Bye. Yeah. Uh I meant to say worth the drive. Where you drive from LA to And I'm waking up. Anyhow. You know what? Honestly, I interpret it as the whole like the whole the ride, meaning like the experience of having to get up early and get in your car and get down to Anaheim and get in line and go through the turnstile.

And make a fucking V line for fantasy land. You gotta go through everything. You gotta ignore the castle. You gotta ignore Adventureland. You gotta go straight to you know, Frontierland and uh Amen. That's quite a ride.

I mean I agree. I s I certainly th nothing bumped me about that first one. That's how I interpreted it. Second, uh Drew will often uh send uh uh h funny uh sort of chastising uh messages to me about whatever's happening, something I did something w with he was like uh he was saying he sent me just like Ha you both hated the visitor, you monsters? Um so that was funny. Uh so uh it couldn't also make me even uh happier that he sa he he sent another classic TNC

Uh, voice ale that was like, uh, I sent that other one and I screwed it up. Made me so Enjoyed it so much. But also, I wanna say another thing that like uh uh Tony who is uh who's uh Drew's a lady and uh I'm on a team with Uh Tony Todd, that's right. That was why he was so surprised we had such such a middling reaction.

Tony doesn't listen to this podcast. Tony that neither, Tony. Um but um she had actually texted me like, Hey, was there I don't know if it was because Drew didn't want to bother me or something, but She was like, Hey, what's the deal with the the thing that was mentioned on your podcast? And uh and so I said, Oh, it's this. Tell me when you guys are going and I'll and I'll go with you And she's like, We're we're already there And I was like Thanks. Thanks.

Hey, good thing you got back within a timely manner and early in the morning. That's impressive. Um I may have gotten back later. But whatever the case. She also sent me a picture of it and it looked fantastic. So I'm eager I don't know how I'll ever get up and go. What do you gotta do? How early do you have to get up? You just decide to go. How early do you have to get up to get to Anaheimet? Yeah. Opening. I guess Europe.

No, it takes it takes like if you go early enough in the morning it takes like forty minutes. It's fine. Right. Okay. Right. Yeah. Like if you leave it if you leave at seven, you'll be in the park by eight twenty. Right. Um and lastly we have a prime corrective.

Justine, friend of Garrick, says uh whoever said Andy's love for architecture dropped out of nowhere, just like Tom Parris's love for the ocean. Uh, is clearly not an OG listener, don't they remember when Andy talked about sneakily tagging along on an arc on architecture tours in LA? Uh, is really attentive to detail, Justine. I'm very impressed. And also able to you're able to retain information in a way that certainly I cannot. Um but you're right.

Yeah. My architecture was not just my architecture uh fascination was not just uh created for effect for one episode. Uh if you would like to send us a hail, send it to STTNCpod at gmail. Uh please put the title of the episode in the subject heading somewhere. Um you can reach out to Matt at Matt Myra. You can reach out to me on my Instagram at Andrisa Kunda uh or at Secunda on other sources. And uh you can find the

All the things for the pod, our Instagram, our X, our TikTok, our YouTube account, uh at Star Trek TNC. And if you'd like send a voice, I'll send it to eight one six Trek TNC. Sure. I just Thank you.

We just for the record's say, whenever you're like, Holy shit, this country is fucking going backwards these I just you know, the the amount of like active blatant racism and uh everything else that you see online and everything like that. I must remind you that this fucking country only outlawed uh only struck down the law banning interracial marriage in nineteen sixty seven Well you think. My dear eighteen fucking sixty seven. Yeah. That was That was nationalist?

Less than twenty years before I was born. That's fucking crazy. Amen. I it is this fucking country. I we need every boomer to go away. Unless you're a Star Trek fan, you can stay. And like I just dun this is insane. This is insane to me. That is insane. It's crazy. Anyway. I'm staying quiet because I don't support any of this. You don't support. I don't support the I mean it's ridiculous. No, uh the the boomer thing is a an extreme thing.

Hey look, unless they like Star Trek, my mom can stay, mommy can stay. Some of those people were like hippies and kinda supporters, right? They weren't all. They were children. They weren't so the hip the hi the boomers I mean, I guess yeah, I guess if you define boomers as what forty five, forty six aunt? Yeah. Something like that. Yeah. Then yeah, I guess yeah, that's some of the the hate Ashberry hippies. Who then turned into fucking yuppies.

Whatever the case, it doesn't even matter. You can't even point to the past because it's ongoing. It's forever. Yeah, there is no past. There is no past. We're fucking in it. Everyone's fucking horrible. Well ts recycled. It's uh it's humans that are the problem. How's that for a Star Trek speech?

It is. It's humans that are the problem. You know, I don't know if you know this, but uh uh Ultron's the hero. You're saying it's not the people running Ultron? I'm saying that like the Avengers should hear him out and go, like, look, if you really need peace. I gotta kill you all. Right. 'Cause you're all horrible,'cause you're people. Yeah. All right. There you go. Ultron's the hero. Yeah. Sure. Skynet twenty twenty eight. Let's do it. Oh robots. A good friend.

There's that there's that uh there's that ventriloquist uh East Coast, West Coast, Vantriloquist dummy sketch on Mr. Show. I don't... No, no, no. And uh Karen Karen killed Gareth. Uh-huh. Karen Karen's delivery. of one of the widows of one of the ventriloquists who was who died in the East Coast, West Coast Ventriloquist War. She just leans into the microphone and goes, Oh, you men Ha ha ha. Uh cracks me up. Um

What el what else are we doing? Are we doing anything else? Alright, well we're done. So thank you for joining us. Okay, we'll see you later. Thanks so much. Yeah. It's it's an hour and a half. I think that was enough time for a party. We didn't talk about the episode. We forgot to talk about the episode. Uh No, no, no. We're back! Hello! Oh no, we're one person. We've been too many. Oh, God. Yeah. Kill us both. Yeah. This ain't Star Trek history. This day in Star Trek history of course.

I don't remember. No, I didn't play anything'cause I just was like that was a g what a what a fun time we've had. I can't believe how many times I turned it to an old grump on this episode. And uh thanks for joining us. Well, when you go down the hole of talking about the world. That is the one time your grumpiness is entirely appropriate. It's crazy. Look, I Am going to play the sound. Okay. I have plenary uh authority over the soundboard.

Allow me to play whatever sound I want, whatever I want, I have unchecked power. Ha ha. Is this sound you're playing in executive action? Uh Executive horrid or

This week's episode is Starship Down. More like Starship Up,'cause this episode's a hoot. Yeah. Do you like it? I can't even tell. You don't Oh well. That's the fun. It was there November sixth, nineteen ninety five. What happened? Well, the number one song, let's see. I feel like we've done that, we've done that. I feel like we've done that. We've done the name by the goo goo dolls, right? We've done the name by the good. Just name. But

Well the other two I'll just is Matt's choice. Fantasy by Mariah Carey or Gangsta's Paradise by Coolio is the number one song in the UK. Number one alternative song is named by Goo Goodells. US stickin' by Mariah Carey. Or you can just do it. Yeah. Use your own way to pick a song from that week. What was Matt listening to that week? Uh, Andy, what's your favorite number between one and twenty five? Uh seven. Okay, and we're gonna listen to the number seven song on the Billboard Charts.

Should have picked up. For November. I'm I'm gonna make a higher one. I didn't realize that. New. You have to stick with what you stick with'cause I've decided that that is what has to happen.

Uh, here is the billboard chart, according to the billboard chart, the number seven song from that week. Okay. Yeah. Huh? Interesting, okay? Yeah. Let me play. Star spankle batteries. Thank you. Close, you know? It's close. Kid Rock? Might as well be. Better. Cracked rear view. That sold like f so many million records. What was twenty five just for the record? Uh let's see. I left that page. So quick. Well that's was like, I have the information, I must leave That's what I did.

Uh Uh you say you wanted twenty five? Ooh, okay, okay. Yeah. This is a very broken Oh. Somehow I got I had the chart and now it's only available to pro subscribers. TNC. Yeah. That is just Alright, well somebody send it in to us. That's true. Yeah. The number one Let's see, I mean hang on, I'm looking. I got I got another one for the following week. Oh, just cut me off again.

Damn you Billboard, you're not getting a subscription. No one wants your information that bad. They're not paying you for it. is I would say one of the most effective manipulation tactics of the internet that you're like, oh, I'm just reading this article and then let me just check one more thing. No, you need a subscription. She's like now you treated me like we just gave me a glimpse into what it would be like to have a a subscription from your thing I'll never look at.

I'm just gonna ask uh Can I read the other things while you're looking? Yeah, I guess so. God. The number one movie is Get Shorty. The number one TV show that week was still ER The Giants domination continues. Uh Uh events Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin is assassinated. Glad we worked everything out over there. Uh ownership announces that the NFL's Cleveland Browns are moving to Baltimore. Uh and the Time magazine cover is the Million Man March. Thank you. Boy.

Chat GPT doesn't not know it. It can't find the number ones. didn't give me Usually when it doesn't know it goes, It's this Thanks. No. And then you go, that's not what it is and he goes, You're right. You're it's not that. It's this Yeah. It's still not that. Dig through archive billboard magazine scans and see if I can pinpoint the number twenty-five song. Do you want me to do that? Yes, please. I just wrote it in all caps too. It's very mad at me. Have I?

Uh I Can Love You Like That by All For One. Let's hear it. Uh okay. I'm in. Tink ting. I'm into the boy band mainframe. I'm accessing all for one. Yeah. There you go. Great job, Andy, we got there. We did it. It was well worth it. Ha ha ha. A lot of podcasts would cut the last twelve minutes. Not us.

Just to uh drive uh Zachariah's lady even more insane, um, I finished uh Miles Morales finally. Alice. Mm-hmm. Oh, Spider Man two, yes. No, not even Spider Man two. That's Spider Man one point five. That's right. That's right. Sure, sure. What'd you think? I enjoyed it very much. Uh I don't know if this is a controversial opinion. I'm ba I may be about to go the first thing I'm gonna say is not gonna be a spoiler and the second thing will be a spoiler. Uh

I don't I think I've said before, I love the games. I don't like the characterization really of Peter because he was sort of a kind of felt like a bland AI version of a funny Spider Man. It was just like wasn't that funny funny. Uh and then Miles Morales, even though it's like he's obviously this such a decent person, too much of goody two shoes. It was like uh Interesting. It's like I don't know, you it's you're such a you're so good through and through. Where's the spice? Um

I don't know if you know this, but his dad was a cop and his mom's a politician. There's no more honest people in the world. Ha ha ha Uh he did deal sort of some trauma, so maybe that made him a better person. But the other thing is um as trauma does. Uh but the other thing is uh I would say and this is where the little spoiler comes in. All that being said, the end completely got me and I was like completely emotional and Yeah. Um Yeah. the interaction with him and another major player

I don't even honest to God. I don't even remember. But uh fun game. Don't even remember. What'd you think of the the bad gang's purple uh magic technology? That became a little bit like what the thing I always have a problem with in some Some Spider Man games, which is I don't want to be fighting robots. And this was just like people in the robot costumes. But sure. This is basically just like they have a bunch of robot costumes. Uh what was your Over.

Well I forget. Yeah, I thought you said you loved Miles Morales, the the game. More than maybe Spider Man two. Is that accurate? More than Spider Man two. Spider Man two really annoyed me. And I'll tell you, it annoyed me because spoiler, uh, for Spider Man two. It annoyed me because the end We... Wait. Spider Man two. Beginning or the beginning. Played Spider Man. Yeah. So maybe we should leave this conversation for later. Uh

No, this is a very this is somewhat fairly generic about the Peter Parker character. Uh Spider Man two, you know, Peter Parker perpetually unemployed, right? Right. Okay. So it starts with Peter Parker s in Aunt May's you know, he he has Aunt May's uh house. Okay. He's getting uh he's getting bills in the mail. He can't pay them because he has no job. Okay.

And his girlfriend slash wife uh has left her journalism job to start a podcast. So I personally was like, I play video games to escape my real life. I don't want to play a video game where the m protagonist is out of work and has bills piling up and his wife is doing a podcast. I don't need it. I don't want it. I just want it to be Spider Man. A little too close to the bone. Ha ha. Yes. It's funny they made the adjustment for just

Like I can't even fucking pay my rent in a game. I can't even pay my rent in a fucking video game. Anyway, the spoilers for Spider Man two video game are over. Thank you. You'll agree that that doesn't really spoil, right? I mean that's uh or it is not what I would deem a spoiler. There's a lot of you know debate. I would say that's More of like a that's more of like a milieu, you know? That's just sort of like that's where we're at in this story, enjoy. Uh

I was like, I can enjoy. I don't want to enjoy now. Uh I'm glad he doesn't become a teacher because they sorta drop a hint at the end of like, well, maybe I should be a teacher. I'm like, I don't need to see him being a teacher. Yeah. That'd be a photographer. In the very first in the very first mission. Oh. He is teaching. And then you see like this sucks. He gets fired. Yeah. Anything. And I was like No we had a stable job. Yeah. Don't go fight Sandman! Oh my god.

Uh all right, then we have elsewhere in track. That's why I'm so err honorable in Red Dead too, you know? I'm just like I just wanna make an honest living. In a video game. I just wanna be able to pay for things. Yeah. No. You're I re I I in Red Dead Redemption 2, I will never shoot anybody unless I'm shot at first. Right. And I will never uh rob anybody unless the mission requires me to rob somebody. Right. So unless unless your superiors order you to, is that what you're saying?

I was just following orders. What's Article ten? I don't even know. Okay. Sorry. We have elsewhere on track, Matt. Like we just really went elsewhere anyway. My apologies to Zachariah's fiance. Wait, are they engaged still? You've made sure of that? I just assume I assume after I brought it up then they were like They were like, Oh this is a great idea. Uh Why aren't we doing that? Whoever listens to it first can really fuck with the other person. It's true. It's very funny.

They've been going out for like three weeks and uh and I put this pressure on them. It is okay. As we learned from Star Trek, love is love. Love. There's no way they've been going out with for three weeks and they're watching each other's shows already. That's not uh that's not happening. It's the only time I watch somebody else's show. Just the data. Whatever you want. Yeah, I love this selling sunset. This is great. Yeah. Uh Um okay, here it is. Uh Mm.

So it says I know uh Memory Alpha has this episode airing November thirteenth, but I don't think that's right. I think it aired on November sixth because Memory Alpha gives the air date. For the next episode. Little Green Men is November 15th, and I doubt Paramount aired two DS9 episodes in three days. The Voyager episodes for those two weeks are Tattoo, November 6th, Cold Fire, November 13th. After that, everything seems to go back to normal.

Yeah. That week's Voyager episode was tattoo, a deep dive into Kote's youth, which still managed to leave us the with a question Wait. Which Captain Sulu sponsored him? Hikaru would have been one hundred seven and Demora would have been seventy six. Yeah. Um also. thirty six is a very valid captain age in T Star True. Yeah. Yeah, because they live to be like a hundred and forty.

Right. Also Samantha Wildman is still pregnant, and when the doctor tells her to tough it out, Kess shames the indestructible superpowered hologram into giving himself the flu. That's right, I remember that. Best Voyager episode. Speaking of tattoo, the decision on South Park to make JD Vance tattoo from Fantasy Island is probably the funniest thing I've ever seen. That's all. Yeah. What else do I want to say before I jump into this? Um I really love Vladimir Guerrero Jr. I always have.

I love him even more now that he hates the Yankees so much. It really is very funny to me. Thank you. Who? What's the matter? Who's led America Railroad? Amen. He's the first baseman for the Blue Jays. What is wrong with you? apologize to everyone. I really had a panic attack there of like, oh, I'm about to make a real idiot out of myself. Oh my god, it's a it's a baseball. This is my favorite clip. This was last night after the game. Let's go baby, let's go.

Cảm ơn các bạn đã theo dõi và hẹn gặp lại. Yeah. Veter's such such a stick up his ass. He seems in good humor. He didn't seem like he was that put off. Oh, you can't read you can't read fucking cheater face like I can't. Uh, I loved it. I loved it so much. May we talk about Star Trek? I'm being real Jeter about this. I guess we have to talk about Star Trek. Sure.

There was a beat where I thought Drames Cromwell's character in this episode was um Renee Bourgeois. And I was like Oh, he's gonna shape shift into he's gonna sh he's catching he's catching Quark in his in his in his mischief. Wait, you didn't think it was being played by Renee or Burger Noir? You just thought it was going to kill you. When I first saw him I was like, Oh, James Cromwell, he's in a lot of Star Trek. That's what my brain said. And then

And then there's a scene where he's talking and I was like, Oh, he's really he sounds like Renee Abajoir right now. It would be crazy and cool if they changed him into Odo. This is a dumb question. Is Odo it this episode? Yes, at the very end at the Dabo table. I see. Gotcha. Yeah. They probably were like, we can't have him on the starship that breaks'cause he could just ooze himself down into uh various places where they needed to get into.

Or you'd be like watching it going like, Why does he use his knife hands to open the bulkhead? You know? Yes. That would have been my first question. That definitely would have been my first question. Ha ha ha. A hundred percent. Yeah. Why isn't he using his knife hands? He could be chupping an axe in one hand and a big hammer in the other. He could get right through this thing. All right, this episode of Starship Down, it was written by David Mack and John J. Ordover and directed by Alexander.

Singer Sisko and the Defiant crew defend a Crema ship when it is attacked by the Gem Hadar. Meanwhile, Quark and the Crema trade minister argue about the value of dishonesty in trading. before having to work together to disarm a gemhadar torpedo. Yeah. There it is. Start eight four nine. You know, I really was like I liked the way I wonder if this is the case. I liked the way that we The Delta Flyer has been added to Memory Alpha now too? Unbelievable. When are we getting our due?

Okay. Um What do you mean? What do you mean?What do I mean? Oh oh the D uh Delta Flyers. I was just like Of course Delta Flyers and Memory Alpha. What are you talking about? Why would they have that ship in there? It's a dumb ship. I feel like somebody added us and then they we were taken out. Yeah, they yeah, but I think this was earlier before they started like letting podcasts on. I don't know. Uh whatever. How do you know that? I didn't either.

How do you know that? What were you reading at the end? 'Cause it says recent images. Oh, I see. And added two hours ago there's a few a bunch of Delta Flyer icon er uh thumbnails. It would be a real shame if uh everyone just constantly kept adding us until uh Or it'd be a real shame if someone reported the Delta Flyer. On memory alpha. Well you're just filled with sour grapes. Bye. Uh Jake is I was gonna say you're like the Delta Flyers if Yankees lose. Multipliers lose. Uh Oh god.

This is fun. This is fun that, you know, I can laugh like this with my friend. This is uh true joy. No. The rest of the time I just have to be Yeah. Out of work and sad. Well, we've made these podcasts as long as we can, Matt. We can't make them any longer. Very true.

263.5. At the request of the Karama Commerce Ministry, we brought the Defiant to a remote system in the Gamma Quadrant to discuss problems that have surfaced regarding our recent trade agreement. When we first Here's the right. Okay. Yeah. I'm the Federation. Yeah. I've got a trade agreement with the Crema. Mm-hmm. Handled through the Ferengi.

Couple of ideas. One. Let's not meet in a remote section of the Gamma Quadrant, near the Dominion. Two, let's not meet in a Federation warship. Three. Let's just meet on the station. I see. Why do they keep violating Dominion Space? Right. I mean if you're gonna go into Dominion Space you gotta bring the Defiant you gotta bring the Skynet was right. The Federation is at fault for the Dominion War. Oh, no. Oh no. Really?

And there was never more peace in the Republic than when Palpatine was in charge. And I'm the super villain. Yeah, it's a good one. All I say was that Moriarty was kinda screwed. I'm siding with the evil empire in every scenario. Uh You know where I hear's a lot of peacefulness? Latviria. Well, That's true. I do a I do uh have an allegiance with Doctor Doom. Uh

As we knew, the Dominion would never tolerate direct trade between us and the Federation. And we're glad to be of service. And I'm happy to say that not a single for-ranking vessel has been stopped by the Gen Fedor. Unfortunately, we have found there is very little profit in doing this. Business. with the Federation. In order to comply with all your commerce laws, we have had to pay a series of taxes and fees that have made the costs too high. What sort of thing is?

Ha ha Isn't this cr this is another thing that is ins we just finished Yeah. uh the Voyager conspiracy episode of Voyager. Which is just like So somebody who's a time traveler and went back and then wrote this episode uh about people being affected by the internet and social media. Um and then it's using tariffs this episode. It's like Corp is using tariffs In this this sort of imperialistic Yeah. imposing self interested way. It's just it's just amazing.

These are the results of the last weapons drill, sir. I like this Ensign Carson. Yeah. Say that again, Andy. I like the I like to say uh like the uh the cut of Ensign Carson's jib. That's all. Uh Yeah. Ha ha ha. I liked her vibe. She seemed like she was doing a good job. Uh

I mean, if she's gonna like hand in those drill times to Wharf and think they're okay. Thank you. I don't like the cut of her. I know. I was wondering where you stood on the we'll get deeper into it, but I was wondering where you stood on the way the way things s break out. Because obviously I would have liked if A slower burn on it. Well, you start with this and then there's dribs throughout the episode.

I would have liked me, I mean, I want it I want it to be a p uh sort of persistent through the first few episodes of D S nine. Now that he's a commander and in the command division, I want Wharf to be a little more to have a little bit more of this happening so that we can like reflect back on it.

And go like, Yeah, he has been a hard ass since he got here. What's going on? And then like have the O'Brien conversation. I don't want the next scene to him have figured it out. I want him to keep trying a little bit. I think that'd be a nice little arc for for Wharf to have. But they just like

condensed it into this one episode and I thought Oh, I like the idea of the plot but I would have liked to stretch it out as with the character. I would like to I would like to have like some lip service done to like Mm-hmm. Wharf adjusting. to life on the station after having spent seven years on the flagship of the Federation.

Yes, and also being in the command division now. No longer operations and security. Right. And now you're you know, chain of command wise, you're fucking you're the first officer after, you know. Well they'd have'cause I wasn't sure if you were saying you wanted a slower lead up to this episode. You're just saying you want even what they're dealing with in this episode to be an ongoing arc. Or at least

Play out longer. Because they did have the stuff with like Odo, where he was giving Odo shit and and hassle him and stuff leading up to this episode. Nothing but nothing with him having to deal with subordinates. Uh huh, right. Which I think is an interesting sort of colour for warfare. Right. Yes. It's all tracks. Like this this is does this doesn't seem out of character for Wharf the way he is right now. At all. This seems great and fine.

No, I agree with that. I think that it is it does track and there's moments like that in the past and it's very it's very Wharf. It does feel a little bit. Like I don't know if they're they're basing it on like, well, we know who Wharf is. Yeah. But it does feel a little bit um I don't know if out of nowhere is the right thing. It doesn't feel like the episode sort of shapes this

story with the first piece, if that makes any sense. It like feels like you would have seen uh moment between Worf and O'Brien where Worf is say, you know, hands him like, okay, we're doing gonna do this, and then I'm gonna have them do this, and I wanna make sure that blah blah blah and O'Brien kind of going like

You alright. It seems like something's going on with you, but okay, you know, some piece like that before. Because from this moment then I'm just sort of like and honestly, I feel like this through most of the episode. Um Although I did think to myself like, well Matt's gonna be on on Klingelico's side, that's for sure. Um but uh but I did

Wait, th I don't think there's a change in his tone when after O'Brien comes to him. I think his tone is totally the same. And it's like what what did he learn from this? He said this is like He says that they did a good job, but it does feel like he's almost saying it like in a begrudging sort of like I'm barely saying it way. But I guess also He asks for their input and to be included in it. So I guess that was sort of like he's being more collaborative.

Well, I do like how he's like they like problems to solve and Wharf ex Wharf comes to them with like, Here's what I need. How do you do that? Right. Like I thought that was uh That I think that to me is the big turning point. That's when they're like so excited that they get to be involved in the process. But um but part of my issue with Six nay on the earning point A. Come on, man. What? Yeah. Turning point.

Oh. They are a little high sir, but not if you take into account I want these response times reduced by fifteen percent. Schedule another drill. Yes, sir. And I th I thought it was interesting that Dax and Kira are looking over at Worf as though they've never met him. I like it. You're you're saying they're not doing This is the introduction of my favorite coffee mugs, uh the DS nine Defiant coffee mugs. I have one somewhere. No, let me say that.

But anyway, my main point was gonna be about this and the later ones. I'm never clear on If everything Worf is saying is right, and we know historically Worf is always wrong, but or is always told he is wrong. Maybe that's maybe That's the trauma that is playing out when he later snaps at the guy, he's like, Oh, you have had to hell tell people me tell me t telling me no from the beginning of TNG. We are doing it my way, I don't wanna hear any crap.

If Captain Picard had listened to me, Wolf three five nine never would have happened. But I've never... You couldn't save'em, could you? You just sort of let him get captured by the Shut up. Uh I'm never clear on whether Wharf is right or wrong in this episode. I don't I wait, okay. So what about wanting uh the response time on weapons to be faster? The this part is What about that as well?

guess w this part is less like okay he's just being a hard ass and saying you gotta get this faster later it's like the other guy disagrees with Wharf on an engineering issue and I'm like No I don't know which of you Wharf if that wharf wants the layout the helm layout to be the same as it is on the bridge. Thank you. Right. Again, not an unreasonable report. quest. Well, this is what I'm asking. Is it or is it not? That guy reacts as though it's just like Y you do? Like

I thought you'd like how I did it. I thought you'd like how I would change the regular Starfleet thing. Look, I agree with you, but it it I assume based on that guy's reaction that that it's like there's something that we don't know. Look, he's never been to Starfleet again, he doesn't know shit. All right.

I'm fasting. Today is Hamara. Hamara? It's the anniversary of the emissary's arrival. We'd fast to show our gratitude to the prophets for sending him to us. Oh, they're so thankful the way they're not eating. What do you mean? We show our f we that's how we show gratitude by not eating. It's like, come on. That's how you are what are we doing? I'm really Jewishing it up. I'm so grace thank you uh you're so gracious uh today I will not eat. Thank you. What? I don't want to ask for that.

It's always Are you just trying to save food'cause it's harder to come by in the time the Bible's written? Yeah. You're making a sacrifice. A lot of religions do it. They all do it. Catholicism does it constantly. You have to do it every Friday during Lent. It's fucking crazy. You're just saying you don't like to fast. Just in general, I don't want to do that, you kidding me? That's why it's meaningful, Matt! I don't wanna kill-

I know you don't want to do it. Nobody wants to do it. That's the reason it means something. If I'm God, I'm gonna say don't worry about it. I appreciate the thoughts great. Just leave me some brownies. You would go in the opposite direction and go, In order to say thanks to me, I want you to keep eating after you're not hungry anymore. Gorgeous out. Only then will I know that you are truly grateful!

Is there any other important information? Oh, here's the thing I was gonna say. I'm glad and I'm curious what your take is. I'm glad that this episode kind of was about Mm. Addressing that Cisco is the emissary and how does Kira deal with them? Because Watch it. Once she casually mentions you like yes, we do it. Tip two. Give thanks to the emissary as though it's not Cisco. Like, I'm like. What?

What's what's going on? How does she process that? Because I feel like the only time it's come up is when there's some political issue where they disagree and then they fight it out. It's not like It doesn't feel like she's treated him like some giant religious figure since the beginning. So Amen. I'm glad that they addressed it. I'm wondering if you feel like it tracks that

In these prior episodes, she has always been thinking, like, I'm a little weirded out. I better just talk about work with him. And that's what's been going on underneath. Well I thought it was I thought it w it felt like it fit the character that they you think back to all their conversations and they are all about work. It's very I thought it was like a nice That's good. That's good extrapolation. I agree with that. But don't you think she's pretty chill with Cisco?

Yeah, she's a pro, you know? She can be a pro. Prophet or not, emissary to the prophets or not. What are they doing?

They're hoping that the Jemedar won't follow them into the atmosphere. That'll do, Peter. You'd be smart not to. That's a class J gas giant. I'm reading wind speeds of over ten thousand kilometers per hour. Twenty three of my people are on that. And they're going to die because I It had like eight decks. How much space do they each get? It's amazing. Twenty three people. It's a luxury life. Did they say that? Yeah. No, I just looked at the ship with you know I just counted the rows of windows.

Ha ha ha. You're not going to die, Minister. Yeah. And if I can help it. Amen. Cisco to O'Brien. Go ahead, sir. I'm taking I know she wasn't built for it, but I think the ship can handle it. Let's see if we can get more power to the structural integrity field. Adjusting shield geometry for atmospheric entry. Now let me ask you something. Yes. Yeah. First of all I uh I've been uh I've I'll get to this question first because I'll forget it otherwise. Is this

I guess it's not hubris on Cisco's part. But a thing that did occur to me later in the episode, because this goes so wrong for them, is did Sisko screw them? Like, was this a terrible command decision? Or is it like, well, you needed to save the the Krema or whatever they're called? So It's like, yeah, he was putting his people at risk, like a good Starfleet officer, for the sake of the mission. Um, but it felt like

It just goes so wrong and everybody seems to know that it's going to go wrong. And it seems like a little bit of of hubris that he's like, My ship can take it, you know. So is this a bad command decision, or it's like, well, it's the only one you could have made to sort of protect these these um honorable um frengis, honorable versions of Frangis. This businessman species. Honorable businessman species. Uh, I would say that it's a fine decision. Uh-oh, yeah.

It's not the taking it in that gets that undoes them, it's the Jamhadar's weapons. Yeah, but he knows what the Jemindar's weapons are. Pero he's got to confront it either way. That's I think the clean. Is it like he was gonna have to deal with this one way or the other? Yeah. I think I think what calls it into question for me is that everybody you're laughing about. Go ahead. Well you were asking about the hubris of the man who designed the ship being like no no, I did a good job.

that's what I'm saying is it feels like that mo that moment is everyone turning him like and even Kira saying like well yeah I mean it makes sense to not go in there because that that would be we'd be screwed and Then he says, Well, we're going in and everyone looks at him like, What? And he is like, my special ship can do it. I don't think we actually can

So it's like from a command perspective, it's like, Well you gotta go in anyway, so we're gonna roll the dice. We gotta we gotta stand by our people. Like I get that. If it's like the Defiant can do anything. I made it at the shipyard. I mean look, I think there's a there is I think there's a hint of that in there. Uh

So I guess that goes back to my original question. Is it just like well it was out of arrogance but he also made the only command decision he could have made? Or do you think there's another thing he should have done? No, I think what he did was what I would have done if I was in command of the Defiant. Okay. But I also would have had our cloak on. to begin with. Before any of this happened. If you turn the cloak on before you go on, it stays on. No, what I'm saying like that. Where are you?

Well that is very strange. Yeah. We're just in this corner of the Gamma Quad think I'd possibly see it. Well turn on your fucking cloaking device. Transferring auxiliary power to the Ford Shields. Take us in. Five seconds to atmosphere. To go along with your your theories about the Federation versus the Dominion. Is what you're saying evidence that Cisco was going into the Gamma Quadrant, not putting on the cloak

Then the the Jemadar are dealing with these people and he's like, We're gonna go in after them. We're gonna keep fighting with them. That's true. Is it just like he is trying to stir up an incident to justify the full war? Yeah. Uh Um Yeah. I think it'd be best if you returned to the message. Субтитры сделал DimaTorzok Mr. Wart. But the status of our weapon systems. The cloak is not effective in this atmosphere, and the interference will jam our torpedo guidance system. What about phasers?

We'll have to target them manually.

Benjamin, we have an idea. It's a little trick I learned during the occupation. Sometimes we'd evade the Cardassian ships by hiding in the Badlands sensor range was limited, so we learned to use an active scan system to navigate. It works by echolocation. We send out a modulated Tetrion pulse, and if it reflects off the hull of a ship, we can approximate its location. But won't these pulses give away our position as well? Uh we'd have to alter course and speed after every one.

That just seems annoying. Anybody else have any idea? That's what I would say. Problem. I made the mistake of letting my I want my ship to blow the crap out of everything in a straightforward way. Have you seen the phase cannons on this thing? They don't just go pew, they go pew. Pew pew pew pew pew. Yeah. Rapid pews, that's what I always say. The Gem Huddar are breaking off their attack. Are they going after the Karama? I don't think they spotted. Yeah. It's no use. Rising. We need impulse.

It'll be a few minutes.

Take a drink, someone's rewriting power through the secondary couplings. Secondary couplings get mentioned constantly. It's almost like it's their primary compliment. Ha ha ha. GSC and still rising. If we keep losing altitude at this rate, the hull will be. On my design of a starship, it would be um very easy to reroute main power through the secondary coupling. It'd be like one button.'Cause you have to do it so much to avoid warp That's a really good point. Six minutes.

Everybody's got it on their thing. Then I'd give it a little door that you could roll under too, you know. One one room with a switch that reroute main power, and then the second you reroute main power you have to roll under the door like Geordie. You should probably just have a uh a secondary coupling officer. That that's their only job. Who's that? That's Doug. What's Doug do? He's our secondary coupling officer. Oh, cool. Okay, done.

Yes, sir. Power's been rerouted. I saved the day again, Captain. You okay? I'm alright. The captain's gotten us out of tougher spots than this. Last year, when the Romulans tried to invade the founders' homeworld, we went up against a dozen Gemidar ships. I know J. You've told me this. Story. Well unless you want to hear it again. You better get down to the torpedo bay and start working on those probes. I'm going. Wow. That's how he gets people to work. He tells them stories.

By threatening to tell them more stories? Uh first of all, that that moment did feel to me like he just said twenty minutes, Cisco said ten minutes, then the next the next moment you see him he's like telling this story instead of, you know, spending every moment doing the work. Did I ever tell you about the time? Ha ha ha. What a pint. Um Uh second thing is that's a real second character. He's mo he's more you know, slightly more handsome but uh No. No? Why? You can't play this character.

Why not? I wanna be the guy who's just sort of drifts in and then Worf yells at him and he does little things. You have to be the other guy. The other guy that had slightly less lines. It's actually accurate. Giant Cloak. There he is. They are. Right, Chief. You did it. You said right. That is absolutely the part I would have. Ha ha ha. Cut, cut, cut. Could you not fall so far back the next time the bulkhead blows up?

I I just was trying to make it look like cool, like maybe he's a hero in that last second. Yeah, no no no. The the hero's the ship right now, okay? You're just we're just showing how bad the ship is. Not not we don't really we're not gonna really acknowledge your character ever again. keep rolling though, I can kind of like uh struggle out and go, Oh it's okay, I made it. You know what? We're we're running out of juice for the fog machine, so I need you to just do this real quick. So So much.

I'll be it crafty. Thanks, Doug. But it won't be a good one. Yeah. Yeah. Half a dozen in sick bay? and Jeffrey's Tupac. It's interesting that they treat atmospheric pressure like it's um I guess it's a class J, so who knows? I was gonna say they treat it like it's water. Right. Red deck now. Yeah. Damn, I don't want to seal that deck. That's my favorite deck. We got to evacuate that deck so we can. Posters myself for that deck. Let's get it. Everybody passed that bulkhead. Dox, are you finished?

Get out of there as soon as you're done. In about thirty seconds, we're going to have to seal that down. Yeah. Ok, ok. This would be easier if we had a secondary coupling officer. Amen. I'm sitting the bulkhead now. Just a clown car of uh Jeffrey's tube. Yeah. Juliet! That's a good question. Dine and ditch there. And then she's like, Julius Just following orders.

Uh I appreciate his solution to this. That he's like, Alright, I'll let these people save and I'll run back and drag her back into this Yeah. Other corridor. Alright, so then We're gaining altitude. How can you tell? Oh I've got Yeah.

You got them too. It's an overranging expression. Usually when we say that someone has the loaves, we mean that they have a keen business sense. That's you. I'll admit it, you had me fooled. I thought you were just another easy mark, but you saw right through my little scam and taught me a thing or two about doing business in the Gamma Quadrant. Yeah. I guess I've gotten lazy. Uh I'm used to dealing with the Federation.

if you thought i was cheating you You have no idea what I was doing to them, and they still haven't caught on. If someone like me No no, I think they've caught on. They just don't care about money because their economy works very differently. Ha ha ha. Ha ha ha. Play the uh play the end of that uh Moment. You have no idea what I was doing to them, and they still haven't caught up. If someone like me Could put one over on them. Think what someone like you could do. Someone with my low

Exactly, and I'm just the man to help you do it. We could become rich. Rich beyond our dream. Yeah, on the dreams of Avarice? are despicable. So my question one is is that an intentional daffy duck? Is that an intentional daffy duck reference? Spicable. What? I didn't I didn't I didn't think that when I saw it. They keep referencing things, you know, hammer time and whatnot. Uh my other question is, is Yeah. Quark here.

Is he running another game from the beginning of this little monologue? Like he's like, Oh, I gotta suck this guy in, have him be a collaborator again. He sort of turned on me, got me in trouble, got me in hot water with system. That's how I read it. Yeah, that's how I read it. I don't know if that's what they mean to do, but that's how I think that's how Armagedymra's playing it.

Yeah. Gotcha. Okay. Fair enough.'Cause I wasn't sure if it was just like it kinda what he says, and this is why it's a good ploy by Quark, is like, oh, that is plausible that he saw through it And he's like, All right, I thought you were someone I could con. Since you're not, let's work together. Like, uh And I also like I like that the That it's sort of a concept for a species, if I'm interpreting them correctly, because they're like the Commerce Authority or something, that are basically like.

the flip side of of Frangi, where it's like they're about to be doing legitimate business is what this species is about. Sort of funny. Sir.

It's a Jemhadar ship. Just one. They must have split up to search for the karma. It's about seventy kilometers above us on a roughly perpendicular course. Help. Come about to course zero seven five Mark four. Yeah. Let's fall in behind them. You think they detected us? Good, Enton Carson. Thank you. Amen. I don't think we ever see her again. Program the probes. Sir. If it does not locate anything within fifty kilometers, the probe might turn back and home in on the Defiant. Thank you.

What if they changed course or moved out of range? Something tells me they may be closer than you think. I would say warfare. Who's ready, sir? Through this whole episode, even when he takes command, his reaction to every single person is confusion on his face. It's just Well I don't. All right. I don't know what's going on. That doesn't make any sense. Catch a Picard would not do that. Um...

This also could be a moment of hubris. I guess it w this one works out, but it does feel like everyone's telling him, like, Isn't that gonna destroy us? And he's like, But maybe they're in the clouds. We gotta go to Free Cloud. Get a free cloud. Pretty cool. Yeah. Fantastic effect for the time. Great pew pews. And uh pff I like the element that it was like this uh homing, you know, this guided missile or whatever it is, probe. Out of nowhere. Please respond. Save your breath.

I don't think it's not a good thing. alive up there. Yeah. A lot of quick jump into conclusions. Human gloomy kinda like the Karema guy is like everyone on there is dead and all my people are dead and fucking um O'Brien immediately writing everybody off. Ya, but, you know... O'Brien has seen enough situations. over time to not ever assume that people are, you know, dead. That it's that or hopeless. Uh He lives in Star Trek Land. They just needed the rack break. That's all that's happening.

He's just giving them an act break. Sir, I don't know how to pause the action. Don't worry. I think everyone's dead. Then uh Oh wow, he did it. Right. I think so. Anyway, yeah, bump on the head. Uh Uh Wharf's gonna get down to engineering. Kira's gonna try to deal with uh whatchima calls it? By whatchamaca, I mean Cisco. I'm afraid if he loses consciousness, he may slip into a coma, but I don't think I can risk using a stimulant on him. You have to keep... Something to focus on. All right.

Attempt to reach the engine room and take over the ship from there. Good luck. Tell him you think baseball is very dumb. Could have been to an argument about it. Uh Yeah. Flooded with gas. Yeah. I've had enough fluorine for one day. Maybe we should just stay put and wait for someone to come get us. Well they probably don't even know we're in here. Our com signals can't cut through the Yeah. Is there anything else I should know? Bye-bye. Thanks anyway.

Trying to rescue me. Bye. I mean it. It's funny a year ago if you'd done something like this. I would have thought you were just trying to be a hero. And now. Now that I know you better. I realized it was just a really stupid thing to do. That's pretty funny. Ah, you're welcome. You're taking this too personally. Um yeah. I like these scenes with Kira and Bashir, particularly the later one.

I mean I think I like all the you know, all the all the separate parts of the story I like a lot. I like the Quark and uh the Krama guy. Right. That's interesting. I like that the they diffuse the torpedo together. I like the Kira and Cisco unpa Kira unpacking their relationship. I like the uh the Jadzia and uh Bashir Bashir stuff. I like the O'Brien in engineering going like, Warf you can't Thank you. These kids don't know what they're doing. Yeah. The thing that is different in the wharf Yeah.

thing. Or the thing that sort of makes it like, oh, that's this is sort of a different thing than'cause as you sort of illustrate, in the past we've seen, you know, people who are put in command that haven't been in command yet

they act sort of inappropriately or too austere or whatever. That we've seen it before. Thing that is slightly different is the nuance of these are engineering guys And they're not used to being in the Starfleet chain of command like this, is I feel like what he was saying, right? Mm-hmm. Was he saying they weren't Starfleet? That kinda surprised me. No, they're enlisted. They're not a ca they're not officers.

So he's just saying they're not officers, but are they are you're a you're in Starfleet even if you're enlisted, right? Or you not? Yeah, they're in Starfleet, yeah. Go to that scene. Okay. I'm sorry, we're jumping ahead. No, I'm happy to do that'cause uh quite frankly, uh I don't have a lot to say about things that I like. That's the problem with Star Trek. We're We're trying to route command functions to these consoles. Alright. I will take command from here. Ba-la-la!

Well I guess that one's more clear. They are not laid out properly. just because... Reconfigure these controls to their standard layout. Mr. Stevens, you will operate the echolocation system we've been using to track the Gemadar. I'll do my best. I expect nothing less. That's really Mm-hmm. The f the first weird thing he says. Everything else I'm like, I don't know, is he right or wrong? So I uh go on a four About wanting the helm control?

No, about to be that well, yeah, that seems like that's reasonable. I guess it's just like It's his tone, that's all. And I think that's exactly what Bry O'Brien's telling him. Uh-huh. Uh all right. To me it's a question of who is right. Um but the I'll I'd expect nothing less is something you could easily see Jellicoe saying or somebody like him and not have it not having one bat an eye. Yeah. So. I'll do my best.

And then like, yeah, obviously, why the fuck else which what are you doing? You not try? You gonna go not try? No. Oh a go quarter speed. What are we talking about? Mm-hmm. You know you you look like a dug. I'm gonna get you to the secondary couple. Ha ha ha. Mr. Stevens, recalibrate the structural and Uh wait, was that before or after the conversation?

I don't know, there's a couple of different things, so maybe I shouldn't have interfered. Th the like one thing uh I was gonna say what's the f the final conversation with uh with O'Brien, but I and I wanna jump back and The field generators are already at their limits, compensating for the hull breach on deck two. I am aware of the situation. If you cannot carry out my orders, I will find someone who can. That won't be necessary, sorry. Can I have a word with you, sir? Of course.

With all due respect. I think you're riding the man a bit hard. You have to understand, they're out of their element. Bridge officers, they haven't made the Starfleet Academy. Engineers. They're used to being given a problem to solve and then going out and figuring out how to do it. What are you suggesting? Give them a little slack. He's up in the reins. Let them do what they're good at. And give them a little encouragement now and then. I will take it under consideration.

The thing that struck me is I was surprised. that everyone doesn't go through Starfleet Academy. It's just like West Point. It is like West Point, I see. It's just to train officers. Yeah. I didn't know that. I thought it was just that's how you get into Starfleet. Command Master Chief Rob Garrison will be like What the fuck are you talking about, Andy? We've had this discussion. I bet you're I bet we haven't had the specific discussion. Ha ha ha.

Although we repeat all of our discussions. I bet we haven't had this specific. I wonder if you listen to our episodes out of order if you run into the same thing that we run into watching Star Trek out of order, which is we're just saying the same things over and over again. Of course, that's where calling the beagle comes from. Uh little boy. Thank you. Amen. He's not a good doctor. I would have been like, We have to get naked, our body warmth is the only thing that can do this. I just...

You'd be old school Bashir then. Ha ha ha. That's exactly. What's it? Just to be logical. We gotta get in the sleeping bag together. I see. We gotta strip down to our skivvies. Right. Yeah. I don't know, uh you probably didn't have to watch a voyage of the Meme when you were in school, but I did. When I first got to the station I used to have this fantasy that you and I went off on a runabout together. I thought this was so weird. Like such a weird thing to tell her.

Well he maybe he thinks they're gonna die. On some mission. Something went wrong with the ship, and we ended up drifting around for a few days until they sent someone to rescue us. Ha ha ha. If you don't mind my saying, Julian, it's a very strange fantasy. It seemed the only way that you and I could spend any time alone together. You were always avoiding me. You came on so strong. Yeah. You never really gave me a chance to get to know you. Bye. You're right. Yeah.

Well, don't worry, Jetsia. It's been a long time since I had that particular fantasy. Heh heh. You sound disappointed. Julian. Yeah. That's right. You enjoyed being chased and now you miss it. That's preposterous. And if you start chasing after me again. Don't worry, Jackson. Now I know you liked it. I don't need to, do I?

So let's break this scene down. What do we think is going on here?'Cause I like that they're talking about it, like what was going on before, and then checking in with where we are in their relationship now. And Jed Zia is always a little hard to read, both because she's being written by nineties men and because of the sort of Kurzani, you know, free spirit elements in her, it's hard to read how she's ever interpreting Julian. Um so what do we think

What do we think is going on here? Like what do you read this scene this moment as? Thank you. And where are they coming from? Oh, I I I I was like just wondering if they were just gonna if this was like I th I was wondering if we were like gonna get some horny Star Trek now, you know? Right. Like where they're just like, Yeah. Horny for each other after this. Right. I mean, I don't know. I can't see the future. It does feel like they're at least opening the door to that. Um and uh Thank you.

I don't know. It's interesting'cause she's obviously still playing her cards sorta close to the vest. And it does feel like when she goes oh, she is a little disappointed and I like the idea. that maybe Jetsy uh does like being having someone chase her, even though it's still'cause she never really reacted

like it was annoying, which I could easily see someone being weirded out, creeped out, and annoyed. She never really fully acted like that other than she didn't really show direct interest in him. So it is, I guess, a plausible explanation that she was kind of into the attention even if she was never going to reciprocate it. Um S so and I'm not sure where Julian

Is is at now. Like I guess he still likes her. But is he just sort of resigned that it's never gonna happen and therefore he's just gonna be friends with her? Like No, I think this is the window he needs, man. This is his signal. This is this is a green light. I don't I don't really read that scene. And that is I don't read it that way. And that is why it's kind of I guess a well written scene that it's sort of revealing, it checks in with them, it resets Julian From being full creeping.

Thank you. And it doesn't in T V fashion, it doesn't really say this is gonna happen, but it opens the door a little bit more to it. So It's nice. As I was saying at the top, it's it's a subtle version of what we might. Well you give the scene how many Andy? I give the scene. Eight and a half Andes. Wow, it's a pretty good scene.

I require your assistance. We still have one atmospheric probe. If my plan is going to work, the probe will not be available. That would come out with the weapon The phasers are out of the question. The emitters are completely fused. But the phasor generator's working fine. Selector array. With a few modifications, we could use it as a phaser emitter. It might not be what you have in mind, sir. And there is one problem. It will overload after the first shot.

I only need one shot. How long will it take you to make modifications? 20 minutes. Ten if we bypass the safeties. We'll have to recalibrate the ODN mana. We need Doug. It's easy for you to say. What do you need? The secondary power grid I'm in. See, I think this is the big turn. I don't think it's supposed to be when he tells them they did a good job. It's that he he he dignified their opinions for a second.

Yeah. And let them do he presented the engineers with an engineering pro Right, that's true. What um O'Brien asked. Don't count on it. started arguing about how to divide the money for the cover route. Yeah. There's another there's another false act break. Jim Hidara here, which you already knew. Ha ha ha ha ha. Uh

Uh what? Amen. One of these diodes connects the warhead to the power source. Obrigada. Mechanism. How do you know that? I saw Design Schematic once. At the Ministry of Trade. We sell these torpedoes to the Jemhadar. And they love them. You said you never sold substandard merchandise. This was supposed to explode on impact, wasn't it? Maybe I should offer them a refund. Ha ha ha ha. Ha ha ha ha ha! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! This was enjoyable back then. Capitalist fun.

This is enjoyable. Also, I it's funny that he he leaned on maybe maybe it's already been said in the show, I don't know. It's funny that he leaned on this is substandard merchandise and not you're a war profiteer and you've been high handing me. Have you ever seen... Thank you. Like I mean Quark Cork had never met a way to make money he didn't like. Yeah, yeah. But I mean he did uh I was interested he didn't call that out first. He's been selling merchandise to the Jamadar. Uh Ha ha ha.

I think we have a winner. Sometimes you just gotta gamble, Andy. You think I don't gamble enough? Gosh. Thank you. Stop that mumbo jumbo. What happened? Yeah. Thank you. The Jem Hadar hit us pretty bad and warf went down to the engine. What happened to the three brothers? They gave all the money away and went back to the farm where they belonged. What a stupid story That's what I would say. What? The act brakes aren't sharp enough. Yeah.

Pretending to injured crew members. We have located the car on a ship deep in the atmosphere and are moving to assist. Yeah, yeah. To the car in a homework. Cảm ơn các bạn đã theo dõi và hẹn gặp lại.

Pass five. Too bad you lose half your stake. You can either quit now or try to double it. My advice is to take what latinum you have left and walk away. It's because one loses a bet. Doesn't mean one gives up the game. 감사합니다. Exactly. It's red. May I suggest placing your next wager on double down? Put it all on triple over. I think that's a big mistake. Triple O. Nothing personal, Quark. Well, yeah. Catching on. So In this moment. Is Quark trying to get him to lose?

Uh with the double down suggestion. He seems disappointed. I think that I don't think that was material to it because I think it was an issue of I c I you know, let's say it was a double Okay. And it hit. Alright. You'd only have to pay'em double. You put it on triple I I thought that was it in the first place, but I felt like it was more that those terms eam, I don't know if anybody understands the Dabo, feel free to explain. That that

that it's like it's more like he's telling him to bet on one particular thing as opposed to the size of the bet, and the other guy's betting on something else. And I sort of intuited that maybe Quark knew that the other one was going to be a worse situation for him if he if the if the Karama guy won. Thank you. And So then he when he wins, Quark looks disappointed. So I think he's disappointed because he has to pay more.

Right. So wasn't his suggestion for something that he would have to pay less or nothing at all because the guy lost. Right. I would assume That's all I'm clarifying. What is the alternative though? The alternative I thought because they'd become friends in this episode, he kept encouraging him to gamble, even in the moment where Odo says I would quit now Oh, but he's but but Quark is saying he doesn't want him to quit because he wants him to lose his money. Yeah. I see, I see. For sure.

Got it. Got it. Yeah. Quark's a casino. If you just look at him like that, you'll always know his motivation. Right. Excuse me, Lauren. It's your turn.

Продолжение следует... Seventeen siblings more. I didn't know Morn was uh boring. Well this is what's interesting about this thing. If you play this moment with them Um And sisters. Excuse me, Roy. Right. It's your turn. Thank you. That's Right. Thank you. I'm sorry, Mau. It's been, uh... Nice. Talking to you. Thank you for rescuing me. Now we're even. So he's really leaming on the talking thing and I couldn't tell if he was doing that as like he doesn't talk, that's the joke. Or if it's that

That is the joke to the audience, yeah. More never speaks. Yeah. Is it supposed to have a double well he's leaning on it too hard, if that's the joke on the word talking. But I also was thinking You think there's an issue with fucking The performance of Bashir. Ha ha ha. I also I wasn't sure if he was also saying he was leaning on it because thanks nice talking to you was like he's just been listening the whole time.

But the other thing is, well, you can't get out of a c out of a conversation with Morn without Jed Zia's help. And then the third thing is, yeah, he's got all those kids, huh? You've so many thoughts on this morning scene, I didn't realize Yeah. Yeah. Um sort of a weird ending to that plot, huh? I guess it's just like they're friends. Yeah. She's like, now we're even. We fucking saved your life. They're not even Yeah, but she saved him from talking to Moore and It's true. Thank you.

Uh Here's the repair schedule we drew up for the Defiant. With your approval, we thought we'd start by tearing out the ODN lines. They're shot. It'd be easier to get to the manifolds that way. And then we figured we'd be. Thank you, sir. How long will the repairs take? Sixteen hours. Yeah. You can do it in twelve. Twelve. No problem. Don't forget we have Jenklo's funeral this afternoon. Oh I won't be there. Ha ha ha.

The Karama transport will be here at eighteen hundred hours tomorrow, and the Defiant should be ready to escort them back to the Gamma Quadrant. Good. It occurred to me that we might consider going to a four shift rotation. I think the crew might appreciate more flexibility in this case. Schedules. I'll look into it first thing in the morning. Ranger. What are you doing for the next few hours? Amen. Going off duty, so I I thought I'd just relax. Would you like... Okay. Yeah. I'd love to, sir.

Cool. Meet me at HoloSuite 3 in Havano. I'll I'll see you there. You need one of those. You can get the hot dogs from California. Quark. What's extra cute about it is he deliberately puts on a different hat. Ha ha. They're gonna be rooting against different D Good old boys. Never meaning no harm. That's what I was hoping. Pete's all you ever saw been in trouble with a loss since the day they was born? Is it four shift rotation? Right in the hill the hills.

Flattenin' them curves. Yeah, it's a delta shift, bro. It's a fucking delta shift. Well that is a delta shift, I was wondering. Yeah. A B C D Delta Uh Jellicoe was right. Ha ha ha. Or they're both wrong. Uh Um Yes, of course you side with him as well as the the Empire and the Jemadar and the Dominion. Um let's do it. Let's give out those MVCs. Nah, I don't wanna I think we're good. All right. That's not gonna bother anybody that listens. We're just gonna go. Yeah.

Imagine that. They'd be so mad. We didn't close the loop. Whoopsie, I've hit the wrong button. Sort of a I guess I should start talking about Yeah.

Even Quark. What is non-invasive? Yeah. Yeah. Huh. Seems like it's not Cisco. Um I think it's war. Bashir saved, Chedze. It's warfare. Yeah. Did Wharf make the command decisions that allowed them to survive? Whorf was in command. He was in command, but Yeah. needed the weapon. Yeah. He had an idea of how to take out the Jemhadar and he did. But but Sisko had the idea prior to that where he came up with the Yeah. Didn't he who who came up with the probe idea? Oh that was Cisco. Thank you.

So, that's it. Cut some of that. I agree. All right. All right. I agree. I agree. I don't know why you're trying to be like this. Just being real Picard about not wanting to g uh go with war. How many? You go first. Uh I like it. Seven and a half. Uh pacing's good. The each of the individual stories are good. Uh It would have a higher uh marks for me if they weren't being so d blatant and stupid in going to the Gamma Quadrant and causing trouble in the first place.

Um I like a lot of the stuff in it. I like the battles. There is something that there's like a lack of internal momentum through the whole episode given how much action happens. Thanks. I'm not sure. Described every submarine episode of Star Trek. It does feel like it's like the individual B plots and and interactions and ensemble stuff is co like they're all great. No, no, ¿es that a 7.5? I'm gonna give it a seven. Giving it a seven. Okay.

All right, seven point two five. I'm gonna remember this for next time. I'm gonna say the exact right score. Hm. That'll be impressive. Uh Bye. Uh all right everyone. See you soon.