Flix & Sips: The Hunt for Red October (1990)

and welcome to another episode of Flicks and Sips with John and Andrew. What's going on, John? Oh yeah, by the way, happy New Year. Oh, happy new year to you. Uh you get anything uh into anything crazy for New Year's Eve? Uh just fireworks. Just you know, we can shoot'em off here at the house and uh

So that was nice, you know, be hanging out with little kids and you know, they're pretending like they're Harry Potter with wands and stuff like that. Nobody got injured, so that's always good. Yeah, that's good. That's good. Um, yeah, I went over to uh a buddy's house and hung out for a little bit, but we got home just in time, you know, uh didn't want to be on the roads after midnight, you know, with a with a seven year old. Uh but

Came home and then the the neighbors that live on the other side of the creek that we have here, they lit off fireworks. So we just watched fireworks from from the backyard, which is pretty cool. Awesome. Well they they know how to party over there. They do. They really do. They're uh they're they're they're a whole vibe and I love it. I love that they're there.

Some of our neighbors not the biggest fans, but whatever. Um Yeah, so happy new year. We covered that. And this time around we're gonna we're gonna kind of conclude our military uh series, at least for now. At least for now. And what movie are we gonna be covering today, John? We're gonna be covering nineteen nineties, the hunt for red october, or maybe just hunt for red october. But nice little espionage, uh talking Tom Clancy and Jack Ryan. Yeah. The first guy.

uh Jack Ryan film. And I think we'll have a we'll probably have a discussion on that. Kind of hear what your thoughts are as far as within the legacy of Jack Ryan, who your who your favorite is. How did uh Alec Baldwin do did you have you ever read any of those uh Clancy books? No, no, uh never read'em. I mean, if I knew him from anything, it was like video games like Rainbow Six and uh stuff of that nature. But uh that's how I think of him and

You know, he might not be up there with the Ethan Hunts or J uh, you know, James Bonds of the world, but he's one of my favorite or Jason Bournes or yeah. He's he's more of an everyman. Yeah, yeah. I think it'll this will be a fun conversation, man, and before we get into it, you know, gotta know what are you sipping on tonight.

Got a few things and I don't know if I made it right because it's been a long time, but I tried to make myself a Moscow mule. Oh, yeah. Didn't have a copper glass, so uh I decided to use a house Targaryen. Okay. But how do you make yours? You use vodka ginger beer and some sort of lime or you nailed it. You nailed it right there. Yeah. Oh, and the little mint you have to have you have to have some mint. Um there as well.

But I guess you don't have to have mint. But mint is good just to kind of smack it and give it but you know, l Moscow meal as long as you've got the the ginger beer and vodka then a little lime juice, you know, or a little lime, whatever. It's fine. I got three out of four, so that's passing. Uh deep ed deep eddie vodka distilled here in Austin, Texas, went local. But how about yourself, sir? Well, I'm drinking a little Russian imperial stout.

uh something called Old Rasputin, which uh has a very, very good uh name. This is for round one. I might I might have to do a little vodka in the in the back half, but 'cause I think this is a kind of a twofer, if you will, when it comes to drinking tonight. I think we'd have this and then maybe maybe spruce it up uh a little bit for the for the back half. But in in the meantime, sing too to all of our listeners. Singtao.

Or prost. Prost, yeah, exactly. This was a fun, fun uh rewatch for me. I haven't I own it on Blu-ray. I don't watch it too often, but every time I do, I thoroughly enjoy myself. It's As far as like Navy movies are concerned, it it's probably, probably my my my favorite out and out kind of like navy movie. I know I'm I might pivot when I think of some other films, but I think Red October is probably my favorite. What else would you I mean, vr for submarines, what? Crimson Tide, U five seven one.

Dust Boot. Yeah, Dust Boot. Yeah, exactly. Which is probably the best, right? But yeah, this, man, I love this movie. And just the you know, kind of the the the kind like toward the end of the Cold War. In fact, you know what? For the listeners that haven't uh ever seen this, uh, do you want to do a plot summary? Do you want me to do a plot summary?

Uh you go ahead for it. Okay. You got more of a navy background. You might be able to explain things a little better. Uh all right. So this movie, Hunt for the Rod Red October, as John mentioned, came out in nineteen ninety. Now the film is set a few years earlier, doing you know, toward the like the final years of the Cold War and The film follows the launch of this Soviet Union then, you know, Soviet Union's Soviet Union's most advanced nuclear submarine called the Red October. And it's com uh

Uh, I was gonna say commandeered. No, it it's commanded by a a guy, um Marco Rem is it Ramius? Ramius. Yeah. Uh played by Sean Connery. And what makes Red October so unique as a ship is it has this revolutionary caterpillar drive, which it allows it to move quite frankly, like silently, making it virtually undetectable, um

you know, to other subs or anything looking for subs. So basically this this future sub is going to kind of like destabilize the global balance of power. And So it's bad for the US, except for the fact that Marco Ramius has intentions to defect and w everything has kind of escalated when he kills like his ship's political officer and noti they notify the Soviet Union and they figure that he is gone rogue and

You know, who knows what he's gonna do. And so they have intentions to find the ship, blow it up, and uh you know, tried to prevent the possibility of like a nuclear war. Meanwhile, across the other side of the ocean, you got the CIA analyst Jack Ryan, who's studying the ship's unusual behavior. And you know, the US military is kind of preparing for the worst.

But Jack Ryan notices some like inconsistencies and he theorizes that Ramius may actually be attempting to defect correctly, mind you. And What then follows is a a race against time, you know, and you're gonna have this battle of um American and Soviet. Not like an actual war, but you know, a a uh

a what's the word I'm looking for? Essentially a a battle of wits, if you will, and Jack Ryan is trying to make contact with Rhanius despite the US Navy obviously feeling a certain way about uh a Russian sub, really close to the US and very unpredictable and And they get fears that, you know, that again, this sub maybe may be attempting to launch an attack on the US. So it's again a race against time and

We're gonna find out, you know, or they're gonna find out in fact that yes, Ramius wants to defect with his other senior officers on the ship. And then Yeah. Um fortunately you know, uh good prevails and um the the Red October is you know, um fakes its own destruction, which allows a crew to escape and um And there's a happy ending for everybody except for a cook and uh Sam Neal, I would say. Yeah, I think that's correct.

Yeah, but you know, Sam wanted to see Montana. Yeah, he wanted to see Montana. Have you ever been to Montana? No, big sky country, right? Yeah, yeah, big sky country. I hear it's overrated though, but I I've never been there. I don't know.

Yeah, I hear the fishing's good. But yeah. Uh But yeah, no, that's uh that's pretty much the plot of it. Just a cat and mouse game and uh race against the clock. And uh I mean it does kind of it's kind of a story similar to what happened uh Uh in the Cuban Missile Crisis where, you know, there were subs that went out and uh there's a guy, you know, uh forget the name of him, but they call him the man who saved the world sometimes of just uh

They were out of communication and he did, you know, he chose not uh to launch a missile strike and stuff, so it's kind of based on a true story, and um. And Sean Connery's character is not Russian. He's Lithuanian. Yeah. I have been to Lithuania. And they're very uh proud not to be Russian anymore. They they they said that many times on the uh on the tour. But uh but yeah. Um What did you do in Lithuania? What did I do in Lithuania? Um

I was on a cruise. Okay. But uh, you know, just went to check out some old like um castles and um it's kind of uh like Teutonic Knights and stuff like that, uh where you think of like knights, you know, maybe fighting in the Crusades and stuff, you don't always think about them fighting up in the the North Sea and things of that nature, so uh or the Baltics, I guess. But um

But it's a beautiful place, uh at least in the summertime. It was an interesting time too, just cause it was uh pretty recent after Russia invaded Ukraine and uh US and Russian Uh we weren't I guess on the best terms. We've never all you know, we haven't always been on the best terms. Our two countries is like uh Powers Bruce said in uh Red Dawn. It's like, you know, two biggest kids on the block, sooner or later they're gonna fight. Yeah. Mm-hmm.

It just happens. But and that's the thing with this this ship, it's a first strike and uh you know Ramius' character realizes like, you know, this thing can only lead to you know global nuclear war. So let's You know, turn it over and, you know, take it out of the hands of of the Russians. Where would you like to begin tonight? I mean, do you wanna do you wanna talk film? Do you wanna talk Jack Ryan? Do you wanna you wanna talk a little bit of, you know, n Navy, uh subs, war games?

Uh can we start there? I mean, I love the set designs. I think that was one of the the biggest things, especially like whenever you look at The Red October itself and just how modern it it looks and flashy and shiny compared to the American, was it the Dallas? The Dallas, yeah.

And in that one there's a it almost reminds me of uh the Millennium Falcon or something because it's still, you know, like uh you know, white lights and blue colors. And then whenever you get to uh uh what is it, the ACUDA class one that's coming after them and uh

You know, and that's all like read out and and the captain's nothing but chain smoking cigarettes. And uh the small bit of detail you get was that he was an aristocrat, you know. So uh and he's going against his mentor. I think that's kind of, you know There's a lot of uh you know, little subplots in it that you know, Ramius is the guy who trained everybody. He's, you know, like a almost like a General Lee or something like that. Uh

And uh so he's smarter than everybody, but it as he said, I give m or give our chances one in three. Which, you know, if I were on a sub and I w my m you know, my CO said we had a thirty three percent chance of of of making it, I probably wouldn't I probably wouldn't feel very good. Probably wouldn't be too excited, you know. But

Yeah. Well there's a lot of little history notes I like that, you know, he brings up uh Cortez burning his ships whenever he reached the the you know, the New World and uh he mentions uh a Christopher Columbus quote whenever he kills the political officer of uh you know for the sea brings I think it's when he does him or maybe it's the very end of the movie where he's talking where it's like where the sea

you know, grants man like new hope and stuff like that. And every man hopes for home and stuff. So uh I think there's just a lot of

You know, just really great dialogue within the show. Yeah, no, I mean the di the dialogue in this film is It's so good. Um I yeah, well I you know, I know you recently watched it, but when did you see it for the first time? Yeah. I grew up more with Patriot Games and Clearing Present Danger and Harrison Ford. And so it was more like, oh, this guy's one too. And uh I enjoyed my Harrison Ford Patriot Games ones. One of the things I've noticed about Jack Ryan storylines.

Is it's generally like a splinter cell. Like in Patriot Games, it's the IRA, but it's like a really extreme version of the IRA that the IRA is no longer backing. Clear and peasant danger. It's a Colombian drug lord, but it's kind of this underling who's kind of taken over. And in this one, it's, you know, uh He's a Russian, but he's defecting. So that's one of the things I've always noticed about uh the Jack Ryan story. It seems like he's having to figure out, like, you know.

We think it's this big group, but it's actually the subpart of this group. Uh that uh he's gotta he's gotta find. He's gotta solve the mystery. Yeah, l no, fuck it. We're let's let's talk a little Jack Ryan. I mean the the film, you know, will I I think just naturally we'll be able to get into a little bit more of the movie, but Since you are a little bit more well versed with

you know, Harrison Ford's version. I didn't I didn't ever see the like the sum of all fears or whatever with uh with Ben Affleck. I've I've never I could sum it up for you. It sucks. Did it really? Okay. Yeah. It's uh you know,'cause it's like said to be

like an early story. Maybe they were trying to I it it's probably how you feel about Star Wars episode one, two, and three, where I just wanna ad completely admit it. Cause like there's a helicopter scene where he gets crashed. He's met his wife who's a doctor. Uh I guess they get engaged at the very end of it. And, you know, it is about, you know, uh Russia and U U S kind of getting pit up against each other.

But it's just garbage. And it's like all all the technology is more modern. So whereas I can see like, okay, Alec Baldman's a young Harrison Ford and maybe I I don't know, maybe they thought Alan Baldwin was a little too flashy or maybe had something else to do, but and they went with Harrison Ford for the other two m like a little bit more what do you call them like a homely American? Oh, oh, do you not do you not know a little bit of like the backstory why?

Alec uh didn't do the the sequels? No idea. Okay. Well, so it it depends on who you talk to, right? Alec Baldwin allegedly, or alleges, that they essentially Paramount had a deal with another with another Thank you. A-list actor at the time when another film, like, you know, had fallen through or something of that nature. Um and so

He was told that, you know, he wasn't gonna get the part. Um and he doesn't say what other act or Paramount how to deal with, but obviously we go to find out that Harrison Ford is who ended up playing it. Now paramount, on the other hand, say that Essentially, Alec Baldwin wanted a little bit of control. Um, he wanted to have kind of like screenplay approval, he you know, uh before he took the part and

You know, and then there was like kind of like a a money, a money thing. Um, so Paramount basically said there was just a lack of trust between them not really trusting him and him not really trusting them. And so that's that's what they say. Other people state that this one was gonna be a an actual vehicle, like where Hunfer Red October Sean Conner, I mean you can you can even have the ask the question who's who's the star of this movie? Is it Alec Baldwin or is it

Sean Connery, you know. Um, but Alec Baldwin was real even though he had been in films, obviously, you know, he was in Beetlejuice, he was in this and, you know, a few other films at the time, he wasn't like a household name and Clear and present danger and Patriot games, those were gonna be specifically like Jack Ryan vehicles. And they wanted an out and out leading man, like an established leading man um for for the films.

So make of that what you will, but that is uh the the word on the street anyway. I believe it. I mean and uh After I mean, I de definitely think there's the argument that Sean Connery is the main actor, but he has just such great presence within the movie and Um hell of a a Russian accent too. Yeah. Well I like how it switches over. I like how it switches over and it's like

They just get English dudes to be on, you know, the the Russian captains and uh guys like Tim Curry and stuff. Uh but uh For Alec Baldwin, I kinda was wondering if like when you think of Alec Baldwin, what role?'Cause I feel like Back in our old sales day, people would say Glenn Gary, Glenn Ross. Just that one scene and stuff. And maybe you mentioned Beetlejuice. When I was watching it actually with my nieces and nephews and showing them this movie, and my nieces think Cat in the Hat.

And they're wondering when when this leading actor is gonna do something bad on the ship. They just watched this. Like he's he's not like they don't trust him at all. So I just wonder if there's a role in particular when you think Ogbald ooh, that's that's him. Well, I mean I think when I when I think of him as a film actor, because when I think of television,

You know, he was huge on thirty rock, right? He did that show for, you know, five, six seasons or whatever it was. And he you know, he won couple Emmys. Um But I've seen so much of so much of his work, but I do. I think of I think of Beetlejuice. Uh This movie I do think of. I mean personally and I love Harrison Ford, but personally, um I prefer the Alec Baldwin, Jack Ryan.

Uh what else? What else? Uh he Glengarry Glenn Ross, I think, you know, might that might be like his his best His best role and what's great about that is apparently it's not even like in the in the stage play. Uh, what else? And then he was in the Mission Impossible franchise for a couple of films. Uh Boss Baby. Uh oh my god, he was great in the departed.

Yep. That's what I was thinking. He's hilarious. Oh my god. Mark Wahlberger just going back and forth about action. Go fuck yourself. Uh yeah, just uh Uh man, yeah. So he's he's cra he did a m he did a movie with uh Kim Baysinger, who was his wife at the time. Uh called The Marrying Man and That was based on a true story about a couple like

Hollywood legends at the time, but it it's kind of a kind of like a a romantic comedy about a couple that gets together, breaks up, gets together, breaks up. Um but yeah, I think I think when I think of his film career I think of this film, I think of Beetlejuice and Glenn Gary Glen Ross. So, you know, late eighties, early nineties, I think of, but

He's had a pretty pretty lengthy career. Obviously, you know, a couple of years ago he had a little bit of media attention for this film Rust where like the cinematographer was accidentally killed. uh because a live round was discharged from a uh a revolver that Alec Baldwin was using as a prop, uh which you know is just sad and horrible. Uh he had a pretty good run on Saturday Night Live as Donald Trump. Uh he he he did that for a while, but yeah.

Uh that's what I think of when I think of him. But I I'm gonna go with Glengarry Glenn Ross as his his best His best performance. Yeah. It's only for like five minutes, right? Yeah. Yeah. Uh the the the the the brass balls, right? Yeah. Coffees for closers. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Uh what is it? And uh third place is you're fired, right? Yeah.

But yeah, so love him in here. And I I don't I I think because this one, and again, I I love Harrison Ford. But I don't see Harrison. I I I I just don't see him as an analyst, you know. And it it's a different it's a different different take. I know that Jack Ryan, his backstory, you know, he went to the Naval Academy and, you know, he was a, you know, um

you know, uh gonna be a Marine or what have you. And, you know, so I could I could see that, but in this version of it, Yeah, I I I like it, you know, and it w it was solid and you know, I'd I'd probably have to go back and watch Patriot games and clear and present danger again, but

I always feel like I love Harrison Ford, but he's always Harrison Ford to me, you know, and uh whether it he's Han Solo or Indiana Jones, you know, like I I I love those characters, but I still I still see Indy, uh, or I still see, you know, like so this role. I'm like, well it it's it's Indiana Jones, just you know, like now just a C A I CIA guy as opposed to, you know, like a um you know, kind of like college professor. Um

But maybe that's another conversation about Harrison Ford is to have I ever seen him anything where I thought he was really great? Uh'cause again, I love I love watching him, but I I don't I haven't no granted I haven't seen his his red Hulk. Uh you know but uh you know, just when I when I think of Harrison Ford, I just want I'm I I know I'm watching a Harrison Ford film and

Maybe that's being hard, maybe m I don't I don't know. Um but I'll I'll I'll go back and re watch those movies. But I'm I'm kinda curious what uh what is your take? Yeah, well, um, I mean he just this Jack Ryan's a flashier Jack Ryan to me. Like are you know, he seems like more of a

A street smart, wise guy, you know, maybe it's the dark hair and stuff like that, where the other Jack Ryan to me does seem more like an analyst. This this Jack Ryan seems like he's stronger or faster, but he's also younger. Um Whereas the other one's like a father and um and There are some really good scenes in Patriot Games and

uh clear and present danger, you know, I think about whenever he has to go and confront the president and s you know says, How dare you, sir Well, I'll you know, I'll go and watch it. Well there's uh what was a m movie where Harrison Ford played the president? Air Force One. Air Force One. Yeah. Get off my plane. Yeah, get off my plane. Right.

But I I understand what you mean by he he often plays you know, he's he's no Daniel Day Lewis, I suppose. Right, right, yeah. Yeah. But I was there's one thing I picked up in this you know, watching this movie this time that I wouldn't have picked up before. Is something that you'd kind of brought up on a few good men about the outfits and the clothes. And whenever he gets to the ship, the uh

I I don't know. I guess the the second in command uh goes, the gentleman is here to see you. And it is kind of a dig, but I wouldn't have gotten that if uh you hadn't told me about the difference between like working uniforms and uh I d what do you call'em? A I don't what do you call them? Well I mean what's great about this movie is you see all the uniform uniforms on display and m and I mean, it just made me all sorts of happy when I watched this movie'cause

Uh Jonesy is wearing his dungarees, right? Uh which are kind of like denim, like a denim denim shirt and uh kind of like bell bottom uh jeans. And Uh Scott Gl Scott Glenn, right? Yeah. Um he's He's in his uniform. I can't I think I think he's in the coveralls. I think um which is kind of like a like a navy kind of like a navy 'Cause the dungarees are like denim looking. And then I wanna say it's Scott Glenn that is wearing like the coveralls, which that's other like

It's kinda like a like a navier and it's literally a coverall. It's like uniform that are coveralls. You if you don't have a belt it just looks like, you know, that you're about to work on a car. But um And that that's part of a ship. And then you you see, you know, dress naval officer uniforms. You I think you see uh somebody wearing Uh like I think whites. Um I mean there there's also and then you see like the Russian military uniforms, but I mean like

This movie is just if you love uniforms, th this movie has it all, uh, for you know, from from the Navy perspective, which I was loving, like, oh what uniform are they wearing? And then trying to make sense out of the the Russian you know, like military ranking as far as like their stars and everything,'cause it's a little bit different than what we have in you know, the US Navy. So I was just kind of trying to figure out what the Soviets were doing. But yeah, loved uh

I loved uh the the uniform uh discussion but also yeah I I I love the bit where the the the gentleman uh which was which was which was good. And yeah, just there's there's a lot. There's a lot to I mean me personally as, you know, somebody that spent so much time on the bridge. I I loved it because I mean this movie does a lot of you know calling to the helm, you know, change steer course this, steer course that, uh, come to this. Now, granted.

Steering a ship steering a submarine is a lot different than steering a destroyer. Destroyer is more like sailing. Where this is like a sub is more like flying an airplane, right? Because when you're up, down, it's not just side to side, but It was still cool. Like so just when they talk about like Cir you know, come uh CirCorse three one five or whatever.

And the the dude that they're talking to, that was me on the bridge, man. That was the I would be that guy that would be that would that would be doing those course uh changes and everything. You think you just pick it up just like that? Like Alec Baldwin does? Yeah. Like no big deal. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. You told me once. I got it. Yeah, exactly. Uh I am curious to know what it's like.

steering a sub. I know like I said, I I you know said it's a little probably a bit more like flying an airplane than you know than driving a regular ship, but you know, when you're on the ocean, you know, trying to stay a singular like course.

It's tough'cause you got the swells of the ocean, so they want you to steer three one five. But you also have to know that you're probably gonna be steering three two zero and three one zero'cause you're gonna sway a little bit, but 'Cause rarely unless there's like no wakes or you know, waves or anything. this natural swells of the ocean are gonna cause you just to come over a little bit, come the other d direction a little bit.

Now one at one point they they call battle stations, right? And battle stations is, you know, where you go uh in fact one at one time you one when you see the frigate and the guys on the bridge are wearing like their hard hats. in everything that

And they were in their battle stations and the guy on the bridge there, that would have been me. My battle station was I was the I was the Lee helm. So in battle stations you have two people that do the steering, one that just handles it and the other person that handles the speed.

In normal operations you'll steer and do the speed, but in battle stations they have one person man, you know, manning how fast you're going and then the other person steering the ship. Sometimes I would steer, but mostly in battle stations, I would just kind of operate uh how fast we were going.

You would be on a rotation so you can go around the clock, but in battle stations there's no reason for anybody to be sleeping. Nope. It's like you know, all hands on deck. Everybody has a job at battle stations. Uh fun and and every time we have battle stations, it was always for you know, like a task, you know, like a like a like a like an operation or something. Okay, we've got um but one time

one time we called battle stations and it wasn't because there was a uh a war that was breaking out or it wasn't a drill, but we couldn't find somebody on the ship. And it was one one of my good friends at the time. I don't know if I've ever told you this story. But uh oh, this is a good one. You're gonna love this. All right. Here's another like uh Andrew like Navy story for ya. Um so one of my friends, his name was Tim McManus, and He he was supposed to come on the bridge at

Midnight, I want to say it would have been midnight. So or he so he either had like the like the midnight to four a.m. or the four a.m. to eight. I can't remember what it was, but I had just gotten off. Um my you know, I got off my my duty because I was on the bridge. Get off, you know, I go to bed. And

Somebody wakes me up like fifteen, twenty minutes later. Because when you're when you're in the navy on a ship, dude, you fall asleep like on a dime, right? So it's like, all right, I gotta go to bed because I have to be up in another like six hours or whatever it is. So you hop in your rack and you're out. So I was probably asleep fifteen minutes. So at this point, you know, if you if you have the Yeah, so if m my watch would have been

8 p.m. to midnight. Yeah, that's what it was. Okay. So he had the midnight to four. And so I was relieved at eleven forty-five. Go to bed, twelve o'clock, twelve fifteen comes around. Another dude just wakes me up. He's like, Hey, have you seen McManus? And I'm like, well he's he's on the bridge. Like, no, he's he's not on the bridge. I'm like, Okay, well have you tried his rack? And they're like, Yeah, he's not he's not in his rack. I'm like, Okay. Um

So where the hell is he? And nobody knows. Like nobody could find him. And it's midnight, right? So Uh it's lights out for everybody unless you're s you if unless you're on a watch. You're doing something, right? So half the people are are a ship uh are asleep and the other people on the ship are doing something functional.

And so I'm running around the birthing trying to figure out where you know, I'm looking in the showers, I'm looking in the the restrooms, I'm looking in our an hour office just to see if I can find him anywhere. And I'm running around the ship and I'm just in like Like my underwear and like a shirt. And you know, like we gotta figure him out. We gotta figure out where the hell he is, you know, like where where'd he go?

And then all of a sudden, you know, after five minutes of looking, I hear General Quarters, General Quarters, man, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, oh shit. Cause when General Quarters goes, you go to your station. And so my station is on the bridge, so I have to haul ass. uh from where I'm at, which was nowhere near my birthing, to get to the bridge.

And yep, I get uh get to the bridge in, you know, my my my underwear and my shirt. And on my underwear you also have like so I had like shorts, you know, so it was like boxers and like shorts and a white t shirt, right? And in my in my my my shower shoes or whatever the hell it was at the time. And I get to the bridge and, you know, the lights are all out and everything. And the captain is awake and he's on the bridge and he is not too happy. Not at me, mind you, but he's like

Have we found him yet? Have we found him? And they're like, yep, they uh he he was in his rack sleeping. And like w he was in his he was in his rack. And they're like, yep, we'll come to find out. Earlier that day, um he switched his rack and didn't tell anybody. The only person that he that that knew that he switched was was my boss is uh My b not my boss was his old was his other like his old boss. So he had switched racks. And nobody knew. So when they want to you know go

get him, he wasn't in that bed anymore. And so I'm on the bridge where I'm at where I'm supposed to be. Here comes McManus onto the bridge and the captain is like, Where the hell you know, like what the hell is going on? It's like You know, uh Captain I I I switched, you know, my my my rack earlier today, da da da da da yada yada yada. And the captain's like, All right. Um, well, you know, like the clear general quarters is like

You know, uh, go get changed and we'll we'll we'll see you, you know, on your watch. And uh he didn't really get in any trouble other than the embarrassment, but The the whole reason why I call General Quarters is either A, he went overboard or Very, very smart, intuitive captain thinking, General Quarters, he's gonna he's wherever he is on the ship, he's gonna go to his general quarters station, his battle station, and that's what he did.

That's a great story, man. Uh out of curiosity, is there a procedure on how to pour a Moscow mule? Do you go with the lime ginger beer or Uh and then the vodka, I wasn't sure if there's like an order to things. No, not you know, not really. I mean, you're putting vodka and ginger beer, right? I mean, that's that and it's the copper mug, really. That's what it's all about. I missed out on that too. That and the mitt.

That's okay. That's okay. It's still gonna be delicious. Yep. And shout out to D Betty. I'm a I'm a fan of Deep Betty. It's uh better value than than than Tito's, which is also out of Austin. But I'm I'm a D-Betty guy. You save yourself a couple bucks. Yeah, well, that's good to know. I'm glad I I picked smart this time. Yes.

Uh but yeah, so that was that is a uh a an old stamper uh C story for ya. So yep, uh good times, man. I will It's hilarious. It reminds me of this Uh well this part in Game of Thrones, I don't know if you'll prefer to be a little bit more than a little bit. I guess we have to anytime uh Andrew does a naval story, you have to drink, but Game of Thrones. Sing Tao But the part in the story is where uh when the night's watch go out, they get on the fist of the first minute the idea is

They they're not gonna find Benjamin Stark. They're hoping Benjamin Stark finds them. Uh by you know, getting out to a big high place and putting up fires and stuff like that. So Uh, it sounds like a smart captain. Um I love that guy. Yeah. Uh yeah, that was um Commander Barcliffe or you know, captain uh since he was our ship, but he was a commander at the time, Barcliff.

And yeah, he he was cool, man. He was a cool cat. I liked him. A lot of people on the ship did not like him at all. Uh, but I think that's I think that goes with the territory. But I spent a lot of time on the bridge. And so I got to I got to know him a little bit, at least, you know, uh, professionally and very, very

structured uh, you know, relationship. But uh, you know, I'd I'd call him Sir and he'd call me Stamper, you know. Uh and that's uh that's you know, that's how it went. But yeah, uh spent a lot of time. You know, he knew my, you know, my my story.

he knew how you know, how I came to be on the ship, uh, which is a you know, a story for another time. But, you know, I originally intended to be a journalist in the Navy and ultimately I did get there, but I had to go through a couple of years of a A bit of a journey uh to actually get uh that, but when I did get that uh that title, it was it was Captain Barcliff that that um

That gave that to me. I'm I was making sure, like, yeah. Uh is it Barcliff or Panda? Uh I'm gonna say Barcliff. I'm th I think that there were I had two captains on the ship and I was like like one Is it panda? No, I'm gonna call him Barcliff. I'm just gonna call him that um

I'm just gonna say that. Yeah, I'm gonna roll with it. Um anyway. Is it like captain and then you got your XO or it seems like you you've gotta have a chain of command and there's got one person at the top. Yeah, if you've got a You've got, yeah, a whole, a whole... whole group of officers. So you have your your CO, your XO, and then you've got your engineer officer and you've got, you know, different different officers that, you know, are

throughout throughout the ship. Now it's on a destroyer. So five hundred, five hundred foot ship, three hundred or so people on board, but Yeah, like he was he was he was he was a cool dude. I liked him a lot and and uh yeah, he He ultimately uh promoted me and uh that was he'll he'll always be uh thought of uh in good graces uh to me for you know for for for promoting me. So uh single head wherever wherever he is.

Yeah. That I mean it reminds me of uh, you know, in the movie where they're sitting around like um Sean Connery's character sitting around the table with all all the other officers who imagine have their own departments that they're going going into and uh so would you have

been going to be the political officer? Is that kind of I would not have been. Definitely, definitely not. And I guess we might as well take a little step back a little bit. We we've mentioned Sean Connery and Alec Baldwin, but Movie has a huge cast, right? So if you haven't seen this, I mean Tim Curry is in it, Scott Glenn, James Earl Jones, uh, Jeffrey Jones was in it. So another uh Beetlejuice uh reference, so he was in that. Uh Who is that character?

Who was Jeffrey Jones? Yeah, I can't think of him off the top of my head or something. Yeah. So he played the the former subcommander that is able to identify uh the propulsion system that Red October has. Gotcha. Yeah. I remember him from Mom and Dad Saved the World. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Uh Sam Neal was in it. Stellan Skarsgard was the the captain on the other the other ship, you know, st uh Stellin Skarsgard. Um

This went on to have a a ridiculous career, and his sons have done pretty damn well as well. You know, Stell and Skarsgard, right? Yeah, yeah, I've been enjoying some of his clips with his son and them interviewing each other. I think it's actors on actors and I still haven't seen that. They just got some good back and forth and stuff. They don't take themselves too seriously. I like uh I I like that. Uh Fred Thompson, who was a

uh a politician, but uh but in this movie he plays a a rear admiral in it. He's he's got that kind of That that voice he was he was a country boy kinda accent. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He was in Die Heart Two and a lot of other films, but um but yeah, he was like a I think he was like a senator, maybe But yeah, Fred Thompson and Courtney B. Vance uh kills it as Jonesy, uh the second class uh petty officer, the sonar operator in the movie.

And then there's like the Russian diplomat who uh you know got the car up for who is that? Oh man. Um Shit. What is that guy's? I mean it's it's Bill and Ted's XP teacher. Yes it is, yeah. Oh man, I forget I forget his name. Um It'll come to me. But I'm trying to think if there was anybody else in the movie

No, I can't I mean there are plenty of people. Um even the cook seems like he'd been in movies before. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah. Uh movie was directed by John McTiernan, written by Larry Ferguson and Donald Stewart. based on Tom Clancy. Now a f a couple fun I always love looking at like things that you might not have known. And so Something about this movie, even though the novel was a bestseller, nobody wanted to make it because of the fact that. Um well

It's so what's the word I'm looking for? Um it's it's very accurate, you know, in terms of like there's a lot of military jargon and so Like, execs don't really wanna read a novel. They wanna cliff notes like a two or three page treatment, like, okay. What is this gonna be about? And the novel is, you know, is just loaded with military jargon, so they're like, well shit, I don't nobody really wanted to read it. So it's like it was who knew if it was ever gonna be made, but it did get made. Um

And they thought it was gonna be a flop because of the Cold War had essentially ended. The movie comes out in ninety, the Cold War, you know, had ended, um, you know, like a year or so before. Uh a couple other things. Um What I mean I heard the Navy uh almost had to re-look at the caterpillar drive and if it was possible'cause a lot of senators were like, Hey, what's going on here? Yeah. Yeah. I mean

And um like the Navy, like I mean the the US Navy cooperated with, you know, with Paramount, you know, to for this movie. I think part of it is because of how successful Top Gun was. But man, you've got like real like naval like ships, you know, like in in this movie. Now, of course, they also have subs that you see, but the subs, you know, um were like in like dry docks and things like that. So what we see, those are like miniatures and what have you. But

You know, the set was like on a hydraulic system and a lot of the actors got sick during it. Which makes me wonder about the story about Alec Baldwin wanting more control. Maybe he didn't want that. Yeah. Maybe he was like, you know what, I don't think I want to go through that again. Yeah.

Yeah. Uh be like, I don't want to do that again. I mean you're gonna have to you're gonna I'm gonna jump off a a helicopter into like North Atlantic waters. No, man, I'm not doing that shit again. Uh but yeah, like Some so I I love like looking at some of those like miscellaneous facts. Uh I don't you know, I think I wanna have some like segments on you know, on our flicks and sips. Like

Does this is this a good drinking movie? And I don't think it is. Uh although for our conversation, it's it's good to you know, it's good for us. But I'm like, this isn't like a movie where I'm gonna I'm going to sip a c you know, have a a couple of suds and watch this. But I think I think that's maybe a conversation we have, like, all right, for our flicks and sips. Is this a good like you know, like a scale of one to five, you know, like

Yeah, we can call the movie was like a you know, five out of five, it was a really good movie, but it's a two out of five for a drinking movie. Um we might w whatever that skill is. I think about one like a what I'd call like a TNT or TBS move movie where it's like it's gonna have commercials and so like when you're channel surfing and you run across it you go, Are you gonna sit down and watch

you know, this scene does kind of like does eat each scene kind of make sense. You could just watch them almost as a a short film or something. Um I would think that This movie's pretty good at that where each scene

has something to it. Even the part where Sean Connery kills the political officer and stuff like that. It gets pretty intense towards the end. Uh but um and then I always think about whenever I mean it's a while, like whenever they go and track down the guy at the end and Sean Connery gets hit right off the bat.

But the cool thing is Scott Glenn's character giving over the pistol. Yeah. And the show of like trust between captains and him giving him the boat. But then he gets hit right off the bat. And then you get this great shot of Alec Baldwin standing up and he's, you know, in this Nuclear silo and stuff like that, which is uh Just great great camera work, I suppose. One other one other actor I want to mention was Rick Dukeman, uh who plays Kind of like he was like one of the pilots on

The like the helicopter when like Alec Baldwin's like I I love that actor so much. So he was like the the little bit of levity. You know, he was like really he was talking about like people puking like on the like on the like on the plane and everything. Um, I mean, I I I love that actor. He he was in Die Hard and he was in one of my favorite movies, The Burbs. But

Ghostbusters he was in as well. I th I think he was in Ghostbusters. I think s yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think he's a guy that shuts the the energy thing down, but another really great character actor. Uh

The movie, you know, is pretty serious, but I think there are a couple funny bits in the movie. Like I I love when Tim Curry, when they're like in the officers, um, you know, like the the officers' quarters where they're eating and everything and uh Tim Curry is just yapping away, just yapping, yapping, yapping and then, you know, uh Sean Connery recognizes that he's in there and is getting a little

a little long in the you know, the you know, the the speaking and Sean's gonna now want to talk about some things. So he just kinda n like nods to um Sam Neal and then Sam Neal's like, you know, working on the what I forget what what he wanted to look at, but then also last year's version. Basically pull a lot of fucking paperwork.

and then shuts the door and then locks it, you know. So it was just kind of like a funny bit of Tim Curry kind of annoying everybody, but also he's not gonna be part of of um Well he's part of the plan. He's just not in on the plan. Like Chuck Hurry needs somebody to go back and uh you know and get the crew because I guess with Alec Baldwin's character he's like, you know, he's defecting but

You know, we just need to figure out how he's defecting, you know, how is he planning on getting the crew off it? So it's That's the other cool thing with Sean Connery's character is how he's playing mind games or playing chess instead of checkers and just always, you know, this thing can lead to that thing. And uh so but with Sam Neal's character as well, that idea of Sam Neil is always there for him.

And then, you know, in that scene in particular, the sec you know, after after the men leave, then he sits down and has a one-on-one conversation with them. But he doesn't have that conversation in front of the other, you know, the other officers. He waits until the other officers leave and then he asks. you know, is this the right thing we're doing or why and stuff. Uh which that I think that's one of the the best things about leadership are just if

E even in the workforce where like you have those conversations to the side, you know. Uh uh you know, not in front of people and then you make your decisions. Do you have any favorite scenes from the film? Uh I mean I I mean I love all the Sean Connery scenes. Um

You know, honestly the favorite scene is probably when Sean Connery goes, Let them sing. And they're, you know, and even though Russia's been an adversary, that music, I don't know, just some does something to me where it just it's bold, it's strong and uh Uh you know, I just I love that you know, it's him kind of almost rubbing the face in it in That they're gonna do this thing.

That that's probably it,'cause it's probably the patriotism. So it's like what I love about the World Cup. And uh I remember when Iceland, you remember Iceland had a clap. And stuff like that. I love it when people just are unified or you know that thunderclap. Yeah. Not everybody does it. Now everybody does it. But yeah. But it was cool that summer that you It was. It was super cool. I mean, you could not uh you couldn't help but be like moved by that. Like that was badass.

And like all the players after the game like joined in with them. That was cool. to like the Semis or something. Like, you know, but it's like weird about momentum in, you know, like belief. You know, sometimes belief can become reality, but you have to I remember there's I think it's a German saying, but it's like you can never lose hope.

You know, like the I or this idea of like hope's the last to die, I think is the saying or how it translates. But it's just like if you don't have hope, then you don't have a chance. But uh you know, and I just

Other than that within camaraderie, uh and it could be in the work, it could be in sports, and it definitely could be in war, but you gotta have belief. All right, I've got a few questions for you. Uh, not necessarily trivia per se, but a couple questions for you. All right. And we kind of teased this at the beginning, but for you, who's the real protagonist of this film? Jack Ryan or or uh Remius? Uh

I mean I think the real protagonist is Jack Ryan. I think the main actor in the movie is Sean Connor. Right. But uh but yeah, no it's Yeah, I mean that's a tough one.'Cause you I feel like you also get more uh of Ramius' character, like'cause they're always talking about him. You know, I know like he's got an uncle who works in that he sent a letter to, and we learn about his wife and we learn about his wife's books and interest. Uh so

Um, I think he, you know, Sean Connery's character I hate to sit on the fence on this, but like, yeah. Jack Ryan is the protagonist, but Sean Connery is the most interesting character within the movie. Yeah, I agree. I agree. Um okay. Uh follow up question. that I've got for you. Okay. So when you look at this movie, yeah there is a bit with the with a cook at the end and you know, someone that's kind of like a saboteur. But

You know, what do you think about the fact that there's really no like clear distinct or or maybe there is. Um that this what are your thoughts that there's no clear, distinct villain in this film? I don't have a problem with it and you know, I'm imagine if you are a part of the USSR and 1988, you might look at the cook as the hero. Right. Uh you know, like Ramius is trying in in the senator or you know, whatever the diplomat kind of says is like.

You know, they're they're not just gonna give us a you know, a multi-million dollar equipment. They're gonna want it back. You can't we're not pirates anymore. We we can't just steal the ship and stuff. Uh so Yeah I think it just makes it more of the intrigue fun or the idea of like, you know, there's no Black and white characters, they're all gray. Mm. Um, okay.

Do you think modern cinema would even allow like this level of patience anymore? I mean when you look at the move like the way that this movie is kind of like what it's about, um I I d I don't think you at least I can't think of too many war movies that would be made today that would have

Because there is. I mean, like you you brought up like the whole like forty chess versus checkers, right? This movie does require a little bit of actually watching the film, you know, like watching everything and seeing how it's all going to because really at the end we're we're just waiting for the meetup. Like, you know, like is there gonna be a catastrophe? How is this going to pan out? And

you know, we're basically tracking Jack Ryan's character, telling everybody this is what's gonna happen, this is what's gonna happen and everybody's saying, No, but okay, we'll wait and see. So I'm just kinda curious, you think like modern modern cinema would allow a film to kind of use this level of patience.

Well, on that I'm curious to see how Christopher Nolan's The Odyssey turns out. Ooh, that's a really good call. Like'cause it it's I mean, it's a story about ten years and if It's the Odyssey, but you know, Troy was before that. So do they tell any backstory? Uh, and they're gonna be on a ship. Uh, but um in in I think

you know, just judging by Oppenheimer, it's like Oppenheimer was a pretty long movie that quite you know, uh demanded a bit of attention. So uh we'll see. Uh if i if I think I have it but uh you know, some patience but uh Kevin Costner made a movie Horizon. It's a four hour movie. And I don't think e audiences are gonna go to the theaters and watch a four hour movie anymore. Mm-hmm.

But this this movie was 220. I I thought it was kind of long for its time, but perhaps not. Maybe maybe in those days that that that would have been okay. Shaw Shank's kind of a long movie, it seems. Yeah, yeah. Um Okay. I mean I guess it might as well get to it. Who's your favorite Jack Ryan? Baldwin? Harrison Ford. Oh it's Harrison Ford. Harris. I didn't like the John Krasinski only

saw a few of that like uh the first two seasons of him uh on the Amazon I think it's Amazon Prime that does it. But it just was a good modern version and he's got in shape and stuff like that. He's not Jim from the office anymore. But even Jim from the office is like a CIA analyst. But not Harrison Ford. Once again, as a kid watching it, he is Indiana Jones and I I know this.

character. And I guess where you're saying is like he never breaks out of his character as a child, you're kind of like, oh, I'm comfortable with this. But they're also cool stories. I mean he's fighting the IRA. And back in those days, also like You know me, I think that England was our enemy. You know, Brave Bar, right? Right. Like I'm all about you know, uh there was the movie The Devil's Own, and I'm like, the I R A.

Uh maybe they're not the worst people in the world. They just want their own freedom. Yeah. But um but in it's It's also he got two movies. Yeah, I think that's probably a part of it too. And uh one shot I guess I also want to bring up is James Orle Jones is the only character who kind of seemed to go through all three. And that's what where like in my head I can go, okay.

Alec Baldwin is the young Jack Ryan, Harrison Ford is the old Jack Ryan, and James Earl Jones is the guy who brings it all together as career. And uh but uh but yeah, absolutely it's Harrison Ford. It's um I'll have to go back and watch it. Like I said, I mean uh I own this one and I don't watch it that often, but periodically, every time I do, I enjoy it. But I, admittedly, I haven't seen

Clear and present danger. That was uh that was the the third one, right? Like so uh Yes. Yeah. So it's got a great suburban scene where they they get ambushed and uh William Defoe William Defoe. Oh, that's right. Yeah. So I yeah, I haven't seen that movie since it so if it came out like'94, I think I probably saw it. then, but I don't think I've seen it since. So it's it's been thirty years. Uh so yeah, I'll I'll definitely take a look at at those again since that

Just did this just uh just to see how it ends. Um speaking of how it ends, you wanna tell the listeners about the most recent time that you saw and who uh who watched it with you and did they say till the end? Well, I did watch it one more time, but uh I watched it with my nieces and nephews because I was probably around the same age whenever they watched it and uh My nephew stayed for the entire movie. And uh part of the

The thing to make it fun was to talk about the actors. Like so with Tim Curry's character, it's like, oh, he's in Home Alone too. Or You know, I would say, you know, legend back in the day where he's the greatest devil character of all time. But uh but to him I need to tell him Home Alone too. And then with Scott Glenn's character, uh it was uh tall tale.

where uh it's about Pico Spill and everybody, but he's the bad guy in that. So it's just it's trying to find ways to communicate. But it was funny to see the girls just go That's the guy from Cat in the Hat. You just the entire movie thinking thinking that the good guy's the bad guy'cause they don't trust him because that's

As as I asked you, it's like I we think about him uh Glenn Gary G Glenn Ross and stuff like that. They think of him as the cat in the hat guy. That's funny. That's really funny. Um, all right. Well, we might have some more time. for a couple other things at the end, but I really wanna get into we haven't done one of these with you in a while. You ready for a pop quiz?

Yes. All right. Bring it. I don't know how I'll do, but uh but bring it. Okay. All right. Well, I'll start you off with an easy one. What city does Jack Ryan live in? Oh man. I will let you know your your favorite your favorite uh your favorite team plays there. London. London is correct. He flew in from London. That's right. Right. What would it yeah. Alright. Question number two. What is the name of Jack Ryan's daughter's teddy bear?

Uh shh. I can give you a clue. Baxter? No. No, no. Starts with an S. Stick Stanley. Stanley. Stanley. Stanley. Like the Stanley Cup. Yeah. All right. Um, question number three. What does Jack Ryan not like about flying? Turbulence. Turbulence is correct, yes. Um, we've already answered this one, but so this will be good for you. What state did Sam Neal Want to see more than anything. Montana. Montana. And then lastly, where is he gonna where was he gonna spend his um His winters.

Arizona? Arizona is correct. Yes. Going between that and New Mexico.

Four out of five. Not bad, man. Not bad at all. He needed two wives. He needed two wives. I mean, uh, of course. I mean, why wouldn't he, right? Uh I think I think I think that came I can't I think that's what Sean Connery said. He he said something along those lines. But man, yeah, this was this was a good time. I really enjoyed uh watching this movie. So for those that, you know, this is a flicks and sips. So I mean, if we're gonna

If we're going to have that, we got to talk a little bit, a little drinking games, right? So every time a sonar pings. You you gotta have a drink. Uh and which by the way. You got it. You got it. Like that's a good call. Yeah. Ping one ping. One ping, right? Yeah. Uh or if you take a shot. Uh let's see what what's another good one. Uh Mmm two characters uh stare at a sonar or like when somebody stares at a sonar screen, that that's that's a good time to drink. Um

How about Jack? Every time somebody says Jack. Yeah. Yeah. Or every time Jack is ignored, but then like proven right. Uh something like that, right? But yeah, somebody s somebody says Jack, that that's good. Uh and every time the submarine like Like changes its depth but like dramatically you have to there was no like subtlety and it's like like oh can it handle that like well yes but it's not recommended gotta have a drink

Well talking about subtlety, how about every time Sean Connery says something subtly? You know, one thing that be a double drink. That's good. That's good. But you know, like at the end of the day, what I love about this movie is that the film really is kind of like a masterclass in like intention through like restraint, which I think is one of like the notes that I made about this movie is

You know, like the tension is literally you know, th that that that chess match, right? The it's it's all about restraint. That means that and that's where this tension comes. Like you know, like If you're gonna do this, like we're we we need to do this now and then not doing things. It builds that tension through that, which I really like and

So it kind of like leans into that like intelligence over like brute force, which is great because the si sheer size of this submarine, right? Which is like this massive submarine and the intelligence that intelligence that Sean Connery has to not allow the Soviets to have uh this, you know, this type of um weapon. They're saying like if you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail. Mm-hmm. And and that's the way the you know

Some people perceive the US military looking as if, you know, everything's a nail to'em. But it's But you need to have checks and balances as well to make sure you go, Hey, maybe maybe we don't have to swing. Maybe we don't have to use our energy. Yep. Love it. And then as far as I'm concerned, I think the movie's really ro uh really rewatchable. You know, it Like did you say rotten?

I think this movie is really rewatchable. No. But I was curious, does it hold up on things like Rotten Tomatoes or you know, like critics and Do you have that information on here? I I do in five seconds because we got the power of technology. Uh so red October. Nobody listening will ever know. It came out it was a success at the box office, correct? It did. The movie, yeah, the movie was a was a big success. I mean it

It m it had a budget of 300 million uh th uh 30 million and it made over 200 million dollars in the box office. It was huge, right? And again, people didn't It it it almost didn't get made, man. Like they're like nobody's gonna see this. We don't know how to promote it. Um, button Rotten Tomatoes, 88%, critic score, audience score, 88%. So

you know, nine out roughly nine out of ten people that watch this movie are gonna enjoy it, whether you're a critic or just a regular old fan. And I think the movie has held up. Yes, there are some things that are you know, a little dated. You know, some of the special effects are a little dated, sure, what have you. But What doesn't, you know, what isn't dated is just really great acting and the authenticity, you know, the

You know, that that was great. That was real. You know, the real naval ships, you know, out on the water, uh, you know throwing bombs. That was great shit. You know, blowing up the sub and So that special effect was a really cool uh look to it. Or maybe you know this as a destroyer or somebody had been on a destroyer. That that's what we always call you, Andrew the Destroyer. That's my name, yeah. The idea of like

The way you drive a sub to the surface is by dropping uh what do you call those things off the side? Like the depth charges. It's like you gotta drive the the ship up and stuff like that. And uh I I guess to me also, it's like I I watch movies going, all right, this is 1990, it's set in 80 or 84, but does it seem historically accurate? And you're telling me, yes. Yeah. It is historically, you know, just kinda like what what the vibe would be like it on a ship in the nineties. So

If if anybody was a historian who would want to be like, uh, I wonder what the Navy was like in the nineties, this would be a perfect movie to watch. Yeah, it it would. And, you know, um I mean, I don't know if we mentioned it, but this movie was inspired by essentially combining a couple of like true stories, right? There was a naval officer, a Soviet naval officer that

that did lead a mutiny uh on a frigate wasn't a sub. And not because he wanted to move to America, but because he believed like the current like Soviets weren't um socialist enough and so the Kremlin sent like a whole fleet of ships in pursuit. Now did catch the guy. He was arrested and executed for treason because it is the Soviet Union, but

That is just one of one of things that happened. And there's another one, but I only I only know that particular story, but it was it was loosely tied to historical fact. Well the other s so Kevin, I think it's it might have been Arkopov. uh is his name. I'm trying to remember and read Skerelix or whate however the Russian language is spelled. But uh he he did two things. Like he one, whenever their comms were down and they were getting Depth charges.

you know, set on them. Uh he was the XO who goes, No, we're not gonna fire our missiles. This is the Crimson Tide one. But he was also part of the K nine uh which Harrison Ford was in of uh When the nuclear sub kind of had a leak and he was a part of he was a younger lieutenant during that one. Um, so um

Anyways, I just wanted to kind of give him a cheer is for not, you know, helping destroy the world. Yeah. You know, like you know, being that character pro And I had just a little bit left, so I'm I'm all tapped out, so Yeah. I'm all tapped out, so I think we're all tapped out for what what did you think of your beer? Oh my god. That was the Rasputin. Oh I love I love the old Rasputin. It's it's such a good imperial stout. Uh man.

I can only I can only drink one of those because an imperial style They're you know it's got it's got a it's it's boozier, but it's also Part of me? It's conquering. It's conquering. Yes. It's very conquering. It's also like like twelve ounces. It's a good like three fifty, four hundred cows. Like it it's it's a it's It packs a wallop. A lot of calories in that. You can only have one of those.

Um it you know, it's a new year. You gotta you gotta You know, I gotta be I've got my first uh soccer match of uh of of the new year, new season tomorrow. So I gotta I gotta be in lean You know, I gotta be in what is it, uh weight w when you're a fighter. You have to be in what type of weight or whatever it is. But lean like fighting machine. You gotta be a lean mean fighting machine. You can't be a Benny Jones. No, no, no.

But yeah, uh first game of the new season tomorrow. But yeah, uh old Rasputin, it's a good one. How how's your uh Moscow mule? Delicious. Yes. Delightful. It would have been better with mint. Uh I get why there's the copper glass, because you know, I imagine it keeps it cold. Is it copper? Like are you supposed to drink out of copper?

I I imagine you can't. It's lead you're not supposed to drink out of. That's right. Right. You're not supposed to eat paint chips. Okay, so here it is. Mint is okay, so All right. Um Standard recipe. You get two ounces of vodka. You get half an ounce of fresh lime juice. Four to six ounces of ginger beer, uh ice cubes or crushed ice, and then one to two fresh mint sprigs for a garnish and flavor. Okay. Why went um two percent lime about Thirty-eight percent.

Ginger beer and fifty percent vodka. Sixty percent vodka. Yeah, sixty, sorry, sixty, yeah. And and that's the right call. That's always the right call. That's how Ross Targaryen does it. Exactly. I mean typically if you're making a vodka drink It should probably just, you know, be at least sixty percent vodka. I mean you're you know, it's not it's not gin, it's not bourbon, you're not you know, it's uh it's vodka. You know? Yeah it's gotta and like the Russian winners, I use

Solid ice. I d I don't have crushed ice. It's it's cold and hot Do you remember a couple of years ago we did a podcast and for the listeners you can go look in our back uh our back catalog, but it was back when uh Austin did have like the big freeze. And you just put like a cooler in the right.

Outside. Absolutely. Well, I remember that. The snow days? Yeah. Oh, I don't know what the podcast was. I if you have it off your mind, but no, that I'd never seen snow in Austin. And uh it's probably coming in February. I just hope it doesn't come Uh mid January when I come to see you. Right. I just don't want any delays, which f for our listeners, I'm coming to see Andrew. Maybe we'll do something special for you. Yeah. But something to look forward to. Yes.

Well, John, every time we chat, I always look forward to that conversation. And we've got some more that we'll do. Don't have uh a date penciled in yet, but maybe there's something uh in the near future. And you know, for the intro, I still I'm still using the stamper cinema. Um

uh music or intro intro music. But I don't know, man. We might have to come up with something. Well, you know, I don't know if you know any musicians that might wanna write us a like an intro jingle or something like that. Or maybe I'll just come up on the old computer and work something. But I wanna have something

Special for our episode. So it's not just the traditional Stamper Cinema drum beat, but it'd be pretty cool if it was well, maybe you could put your drum beat over that less paw you have. Uh maybe maybe we can add a little bit more. Yeah. Man, I mean I love your Okay, well then we can get the intro, man. We can get in you just put out an episode on uh what was the one you the last one on uh Stamper Cinema you just put out? Oh the one I just did was on Jackie Brown.

That's it. That's it. Yeah. Michael Keaton. Yeah. Yeah. He's in it. Yeah. Good movie. Well, check that out too, people. Yep. All right. So final thoughts, a great film. Thoroughly enjoy it. If you haven't seen Hunt for the Red October in a hot minute, recommend doing it. I enjoy it. I'll give it two thumbs up. And if you want to have a drink, you know, we we create a little uh drinking game out of it. Um, but just naturally on a scale of one to five.

for a drinking movie. I'll give it a two, but on a scale of one to five and pure enjoyment. I'll give it I'll give it a solid five. This movie's good. So between those two scales right there, that is six out of ten, which if it was Rotten Tomatoes, that is that is a fresh film. So I say check it out. Yeah, well that's a D in college and that as they say in college, D's get degrees. And I think that's where John and I will close it on out. Ladies and gentlemen, thank you so much.

And if you are new to the channel, please like, subscribe, tell your friends, rate us. Yes, please rate us. That's how more people can find us. And we're doing pretty good, but we want more listeners. And so that's where you can help out by leaving a little little review and telling your friends about us. And Yeah, that's all I've got. John, do you have anything that you want to close this on out with? Or should we just wrap this on out and get it to the people? Zingtao, have a great year.