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Stacking Growth | The B2B Marketing Podcast

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Hosted by Refine Labs, this podcasts is for marketers, by marketers. Whether you're new or seasoned , we want to help you refine your strategies, find meaningful takeaways, and hear real, honest stories of marketers who've been able to make waves for the industry. Combining purposeful tactics and strategies across multiple areas is what it means to Stack Growth - let's help build each other up.
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Episodes

How to Calculate ROI

Matt Sciannella hosts Dale Harrison in a three part summer event series to cover the intricacies of Brand and Performance marketing. This is the second part of the final event, and covers all of the specific calculations you need to know to accurately find your Marketing ROI. Dale presents a compelling case for revolutionizing how marketing investments are understood, measured, and communicated. This episode transforms complex financial details into digestible insights, revealing why relying sol...

Sep 02, 202537 min

Why Revenue isn't the right Metric

Matt Sciannella hosts Dale Harrison in a three part summer event series to cover the intricacies of Brand and Performance marketing. This is the first part of the final event: covering where Marketing ROI fails, and digging into the problems with measuring Revenue. Dale and Matt get into the conventional approaches to calculating marketing ROI, highlighting their limitations and presenting a more comprehensive framework. The discussion sets the stage for a robust understanding of marketing's tru...

Aug 26, 202534 min

Integrating CTV into your paid media strategy | August B2B Roundtable

Evan Hughes hosts Matt Sciannella, Aaron Weekes, and Kyle Taylor to discuss how to integrate Connected TV (CTV) into paid media strategies, particularly for B2B companies. With digital landscapes evolving, the conversation emphasizes the importance of leveraging CTV's unique opportunities for audience reach and targeted awareness. The experts provide a detailed discussion on how CTV not only complements traditional digital efforts but also stands out with its TV dominance, capturing audiences mo...

Aug 19, 202553 min

Brand. Demand. Expand. The Essential new Go-To-Market Framework

From Dreamdata: "Things have changed over the last five years… and these are the core pillars you need to think about if you want to be successful as a company. Amidst intense budget scrutiny, disruptive AI, and failing lead-generation tactics, B2B marketers must overhaul their strategies to survive and grow by shifting focus from capturing existing demand to strategically creating it for the future. Speaking on a recent Attributed Podcast , Megan Bowen , CEO of Refine Labs , broke down the stra...

Aug 12, 202547 min

Addressing Common Arguments Against Brand Marketing

Matt Sciannella hosts Dale Harrison in a three part summer event series to cover the intricacies of Brand and Performance marketing. This is the second part of the second event, digging into four different common arguments that CFOs make against brand, including: timing, budget, outdated beliefs about buyers, and misguided thoughts on company scope. Check out our ⁠ events page⁠ to register for the third event, happening live on August 21. Episode topics: #marketing, #demandgeneration, #brand, #B...

Aug 05, 202536 min

How to Measure the ROI of Brand Marketing

Matt Sciannella hosts Dale Harrison in a three part summer event series to cover the intricacies of Brand and Performance marketing. This is the first part of the second event, digging into Measurement and ROI. Throughout the conversation, Dale systematically demystifies common misconceptions surrounding brand marketing efforts, particularly in the B2B sector, highlighting why measuring brand ROI can be challenging yet essential. The discussion also uncovers how digital marketing's data-driven a...

Jul 29, 202546 min

B2B Advertising on Reddit

Evan Hughes and Ciara Hopkins host Malin Wijenayake to discuss the 2025 playbook for Paid Social on Reddit. This session focuses on the strategic importance of using Reddit ads for B2B marketing. As the digital marketing landscape evolves, they dig into why Reddit, often overlooked in B2B strategies, can be a powerful platform for reaching untapped segments. Evan highlights the shifting dynamics of Reddit discoverability with Google's data agreement, opening pathways for marketers to re-evaluate...

Jul 22, 202553 min

Balancing Brand and Performance Marketing

Episode topics: #marketing, #demandgeneration, #brand, #B2BSaaS, #digitalmarketing #ads #brandmarketing #performancemarketing Matt Sciannella hosts Dale Harrison in a three part summer event series about the intricacies of Brand and Performance in your full marketing strategy. In this first session, they cover:-The impact of brand and performance in marketing-How to integrate both pillars into your full strategy-Memory, task completion, and psychology of response-Optimizing budget allocation bet...

Jul 15, 20251 hr 15 min

Balancing Budget Between Brand and Performance Marketing

Matt Sciannella hosts Dale Harrison in a three part summer event series to cover the intricacies of Brand and Performance marketing. This is the third part of the first episode, covering budget allocation between brand and performance marketing. As Dale shares his expertise, he underscores the importance of understanding how consumer memory interacts with advertising and the long-term impacts on sales. He delivers actionable insights, particularly around the renowned 60:40 rule—a guideline sugge...

Jul 08, 202525 min

Integrating Brand and Performance Marketing

Matt Sciannella hosts Dale Harrison in a three part summer event series to cover the intricacies of Brand and Performance marketing. This is the second part of the first episode, covering how brand and performance can work together as well as common mistakes and limitations of each. Dale emphasizes that brand ads should aim at building durable memory associations with future buyers, who represent a significant 95% of potential consumers not actively in market. He explains the importance of creat...

Jul 03, 202525 min

Brand and Performance: Jobs to be Done

Matt Sciannella hosts Dale Harrison in a three part summer event series to cover the intricacies of Brand and Performance marketing. This is the first part of the first episode, covering why brand and performance are both important elements to consider in your overall B2B marketing strategy. They explore why companies must establish a presence in buyers' minds before they come into the market and highlight the cognitive differences between memory formation and responsive actions in marketing. Da...

Jul 01, 202523 min

Paid Social Playbook: Meta / Facebook Ads | June B2B Roundtable

Megan Bowen, Evan Hughes, and Ciara Hopkins host Jason Theroux to discuss the 2025 playbook for Paid Social and Facebook / Meta ads. This session focuses on utilizing Meta’s platforms for creating brand awareness and improving engagement within the B2B sector. As businesses seek to meet their audiences where they reside online, marketing professionals can leverage the insights shared to refine their digital strategies. Dale shares actionable insights into audience targeting, the importance of co...

Jun 24, 202557 min

Why Paid Media is Killing Your GTM Efficiency | Megan Bowen on GTM Live

From GTM Live: This week on GTM Live, Carolyn sits down with Megan Bowen, CEO of Refine Labs, to unpack why so many B2B companies are pouring budget into paid media, and still missing revenue targets. They break down what’s really going wrong: not too much paid media, but too much spend on a strategy that doesn’t convert. Pipeline is down. Revenue is down. And yet, the response is often to spend more, not better. You’ll hear why performance marketing often fails to deliver real outcomes, how mis...

Jun 17, 20251 hr

The Importance of Brand in B2B Marketing | Refine Labs + Wynter

Megan Bowen and Matt Sciannella from Refine Labs, team up with Wynter’s Peep Laja to discuss the importance of brand in B2B Marketing. They explore the nuances of brand visibility, drawing on their extensive experiences to highlight how foundational brand awareness has become in competitive markets. Exploring the intricate balance between brand and demand generation, the discussion underscores why brand perception and awareness can no longer be sidelined in favor of immediate revenue-driven tact...

Jun 10, 202554 min

Sales v Marketing: Stop Fighting for Credit | Jason Theroux

Episode topics: #marketing, #leadgen, #demandgeneration, #sales, #B2BSaaS, #digitalmarketing #measurement #metrics #sales #marketingalignment Jason Theroux is on today to hammer home the crucial message to sales and marketing teams across the world: stop fighting for credit and start working together to support your organization holilstically. The conversation navigates through Jason's career path from sales roles to a significant marketing position, revealing critical insights into bridging the...

Jun 03, 202527 minSeason 5Ep. 14

how to measure marketing outside of pipeline | newsletter companion 30 May 2025

#marketingtips #brand #demand #expand #marketing #b2bgrowth Welcome to a weekly check-in where I (⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Steph Crugnola⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠) take the tips we drop in the Refine Labs weekly newsletter and apply it for our own brand marketing team - stacking them up for our continued evolution and growth. This week we dive back into Brand, Demand, Expand!Pipeline shouldn't be the only measurement tool you're using, each pillar of Brand, Demand, and Expand need to have their own detailed metrics. In this video news...

May 30, 20258 min

Paid Social Playbook: LinkedIn Ads

Evan Hughes and Ciara Hopkins host Libby Schell to discuss the 2025 playbook for Paid Social and LinkedIn ads. They explore the robust targeting capabilities of LinkedIn, revealing how businesses can harness this platform to maximize brand awareness and demand generation, but also advise against common missteps when approaching this expensive platform. Ensuring effective B2B marketing involves understanding and leveraging LinkedIn as a powerful tool for precise targeting and audience engagement....

May 27, 202556 min

Find Your Community | 22 May Newsletter Companion

#marketingtips #brand #demand #expand #marketing #b2b Welcome to a weekly check-in where I (⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Steph Crugnola⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠) take the tips we drop in the Refine Labs weekly newsletter and apply it for our own brand marketing team - stacking them up for our continued evolution and growth. This week we dive into Community and In Person Connection!

May 23, 20256 min

Implementing Modern Marketing Success Metrics | Judy Sheriff

Refine Labs’ General Manager Judy Sheriff is on today to walk through how and why you should implement Refine Labs’ modern, tangible success metrics for your marketing team. Judy Sheriff shares her career story, starting with her entry into marketing in 2010, highlighting experiences with companies relying heavily on traditional metrics such as MQLs, and her eventual discovery of modern demand generation strategies. The conversation moves then into the critical juncture when she realized the nec...

May 20, 202541 minSeason 5Ep. 13

Brand! Demand! Expand! | 16 May Video Newsletter

#marketingtips #brand #demand #expand #marketing #b2b Welcome to a weekly check-in where I (⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Steph Crugnola⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠) take the tips we drop in the Refine Labs weekly newsletter and apply it for our own brand marketing team - stacking them up for our continued evolution and growth. This week we dive into Brand, Demand, Expand!

May 16, 20258 min

Why Most B2B Brands Are Stuck—and How to Break Through | Megan Bowen on LevelUp Business

From LevelUp Business: Megan Bowen, CEO of Refine Labs, joins JR Lay to break down how forward-thinking B2B brands can embrace change through adaptability, strategic reflection, and an evolved demand gen model. From redefining brand, demand, and expansion strategies to building internal change management discipline, this conversation offers a path forward to those ready to level up.📧 Subscribe to the weekly newsletter: https://www.levelupbusiness.com/newsl... 💬 Let’s Connect:🔹 Connect with JR...

May 13, 202527 min

MAXimize Your Results | 9 May Newsletter Companion

Last year we launched Maxwell: our "DemandGPT" chatbot in The Vault, but now we're unlocking the gate and letting him loose. Head over to our website, fire off up to 10 questions, and get instant, free access to thousands of pages of expert content in seconds. It’s super simple: ➡️ Go to refinelabs.com ➡️ Look for the blue chat icon in the bottom right corner ➡️ Type your question and let Maxwell do the rest Whether you're troubleshooting, brainstorming, or looking for fresh ideas, The Vault is ...

May 09, 20255 min

Paid Search Playbook - Google Ads in 2025

Megan Bowen and Evan Hughes host Ciara Hopkins and Dale Harper to discuss the 2025 playbook for Paid Search ads. The discussion starts by centering on the current state of paid search in 2025, focusing on it as an intent channel or demand capture channel. Megan emphasizes the need for B2B companies to adopt an optimal budget allocation strategy that leans more towards capturing high-intent demand rather than spreading thin over broad, low-intent keyword terms. Megan warns against overspending on...

May 06, 202557 min

Start a Short Form Video Strategy in 3 Steps | 1 May Newsletter Companion

Welcome to a weekly check-in where I ( ⁠⁠⁠⁠Steph Crugnola⁠⁠⁠⁠ ) take the tips we drop in the Refine Labs weekly newsletter and apply it for our own brand marketing team - stacking them up for our continued evolution and growth. This week we describe (and show in real time) a 3 step short form video strategy to dip your toes into the content pool!

May 02, 202510 min

Building an Effective Video First Content Strategy | Erik Jacobson

Erik Jacobson, CEO of Hatch, joins Evan and Steph to talk about building an effective video first content strategy. As a pioneer in video-first content strategies, Erik shares his insights on the evolving landscape of B2B marketing, emphasizing the importance of adapting to changing consumer behaviors. He brings over a decade worth of actionable strategies for businesses looking to harness the power of video to enhance audience engagement and drive growth. Erik highlights the shift from audio-ce...

Apr 29, 202540 minSeason 5Ep. 12

Paid Social Playbook: LinkedIn Ads | May B2B Roundtable

Evan Hughes and Ciara Hopkins host Libby Schell to discuss the 2025 playbook for Paid Social and LinkedIn ads. They explore the robust targeting capabilities of LinkedIn, revealing how businesses can harness this platform to maximize brand awareness and demand generation, but also advise against common missteps when approaching this expensive platform. Ensuring effective B2B marketing involves understanding and leveraging LinkedIn as a powerful tool for precise targeting and audience engagement....

Apr 29, 202556 min

What Are Your Burning Marketing Questions? | 25 April Newsletter Companion

Welcome to a weekly check-in where I ( ⁠⁠⁠Steph Crugnola⁠⁠⁠ ) take the tips we drop in the Refine Labs weekly newsletter and apply it for our own brand marketing team - stacking them up for our continued evolution and growth. This week we ask: what are your pressing marketing questions that we can answer, and who do you go to when you need an expert?

Apr 25, 20254 min

Growing Into A Demand Gen Role | Steve Voith

Steve Voith, VP of Revenue Marketing at Kyriba, joins Evan and Steph to talk about his career journey in Demand Generation. Steve discusses his journey from a novice marketer to a seasoned professional, sharing critical insights into the evolution of demand generation and the significant impacts of various learning experiences throughout his professional life. As Steve dives deep into his career milestones, he emphasizes the importance of adaptability and leveraging technology to stay ahead in t...

Apr 22, 202545 minSeason 5Ep. 11

Who's Got Your Back? | 17 April Newsletter Companion

Welcome to a weekly check-in where I ( ⁠⁠Steph Crugnola⁠⁠ ) take the tips we drop in the Refine Labs weekly newsletter and apply it for our own brand marketing team - stacking them up for our continued evolution and growth. This week we ask: What communities are you part of as a marketer that help you connect and get support in this chaos landscape?

Apr 18, 20254 min

How to Make it as a Solopreneur | Garrett Ira

Garrett Ira, founder at Method, joins Evan and Steph to talk about his journey to becoming a Solopreneur - the successes, challenges, and everything in between. Garrett shares his unique experience of coming from an entrepreneurial family, which set the tone for his career in marketing. He talks about his transition from agency work to in-house roles, eventually leading him to launch his own company, Method. Garrett talks about the essential tools and community support structures that have helpe...

Apr 15, 202541 minSeason 5Ep. 10
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